Instead of charging the imposter a million dollar 'fine' that goes to the state, they should give that money to the victim.
@TheOrangeRoad
5 ай бұрын
Why would the state want to lose free million?
@Vykk_Draygo
5 ай бұрын
With fines that high, I wouldn't be surprised if restitution is part of that. (But I also wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.)
@Dan-yk6sy
5 ай бұрын
@@Vykk_Draygoyeah, most likely restitution (goes to victim) but on the other hand, courts gonna court
@sasukedemon888888888
5 ай бұрын
How much you wanna bet that for 30 years of torment, the guy spends less than 5 behind bars. I wouldn't be surprised if they even reduce his fines after sentencing too.
@tonymouannes
5 ай бұрын
@sasukedemon888888888 there was30 years of torment. The victim didn't even notice until 2019. The victim had issues already and I wouldn't be surprised if that played a role for his identity to be stolen. He probably told the identity thief that he wasn't in good terms with his family and stuff, amongst other things that flagged him as an easy target that would never figure it out.
@TheCaptainmojo1973
5 ай бұрын
428 days of false imprisonment should be worth quite a bit I would think.
@johnw8578
5 ай бұрын
He pleaded, so he will get nothing.
@ostlandr
5 ай бұрын
@@johnw8578 He pleaded no contest, which is where you agree to whatever punishment the law wants to hit you with, but don't admit guilt. There was a case back in the '50s where a suspect pled "nolo contendre" ("no contest" in legal Latin.) The newspaper dutifully reported "John Smith pleads guilty in Latin." HUGE lawsuit, which the newspaper lost.
@OldAndInTheWay-k1w
5 ай бұрын
How true.... But an NDA won't allow me to elaborate.
@sarge420
5 ай бұрын
$428,000,000
@teevee2145
5 ай бұрын
10 mill
@MelissiaBlackheart
5 ай бұрын
So the LAPD and Judge should be held accountable for THEIR screw-ups, too, but they won't be. They looked at the homeless man and decided not to do their due diligence and shrugged it off.
@geoffreystraw5268
5 ай бұрын
Qualified immunity is evil.
@andiralosh2173
5 ай бұрын
Classism at work. Let's just believe the person with more wealth... and everything works out just fine
@eddie8765
5 ай бұрын
End qualified immunity
@jedstanaland2897
5 ай бұрын
I'll say this, unfortunately someone being homeless is the most common reason why they are ignored. The next thing is that even though I don't think that the judge was correct I also don't think that the judge should have full legal responsibility for the harm. What I'm about to say may sound horrible but it is absolutely true. The homeless man went from a situation where he was not able to get food regularly and was having to sleep out in the open quite often. The judge actually helped the homeless man in a way even if it was the result of something horrible the homeless man was still in a better situation than being on the street. The other guy however should be in prison for what he did.
@boldCactuslad
5 ай бұрын
You forgot someone! What about the bank?
@karenstein8261
5 ай бұрын
Reminds me of an incident during the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. With Yippies running amok in downtown Chicago, police confronted a nicely dressed man and ask his name. “Winston Churchill,” he said. Police, in no mood for nonsense, roughly arrested him - only to find he was the son of Britain’s former prime minister and Charge of the British consulate in Chicago.
@baldrian22
5 ай бұрын
i think some heads rolled there, that would most likely been a BIG diplomatic blunder. i dont know for sure, but i would think the person in charge of a consulate might be considerd a diplomate or atleaste have some type of diplomatic imunity.
@57WillysCJ
5 ай бұрын
He was Churchill's grandson.
@lucasokeefe7935
5 ай бұрын
I can hear the chiefs voice on the phone now, as he's rapidly flanked by every kind of fed you can think of: "..Winston Churchill. WINSTON. @#$&ING. CHURCHILL?!"
@dougwallis5078
5 ай бұрын
Winston Churchill's only son Randolph died in 1968 after a years long battle with a general syphilitic paresis that ravaged his mind and slowly and painfully killed him. So, it's not likely.
@John-s7s8s
5 ай бұрын
I actually met a guy many years ago who was a Chicago cop at that time. I asked him about it, and he told me that they did not mess around and simply busted heads.
@cqbarnieify
5 ай бұрын
The prosecutors and detectives who sent the victim to jail and to a mental institution were recklessly negligent. Can they be sued? If not, we are all in danger. We have DNA and fingerprints to ensure this never happens, yet the detectives couldn’t be bothered with a thorough investigation? I hope those who sent this man to jail are fired, and I hope he sues everyone involved.
@GrantWaller.-hf6jn
5 ай бұрын
One of Steve's favorite saying sue everyone involved.
@jennifertarin4707
5 ай бұрын
@@GrantWaller.-hf6jnthat was one of the first things we learned in business law class
@IanBPPK
5 ай бұрын
@@GrantWaller.-hf6jnunfortunately, unless there is proof of gross misconduct, prosecutors cannot be sued in their governmental capacity since they are afforded prosecutorial immunity, since otherwise they may find themselves being involved in a lawsuit for every overturned case or acquittal. The state itself could possibly be sued, though.
@GrantWaller.-hf6jn
5 ай бұрын
@@IanBPPKyes I know but in his case get the media attention. On a personal note that is why I did sue the police after I hot tazed in 2005. And even if I won the tax payers would pay not the cops. The tax payers are innocent. I don't go after the innocent.
@phlodel
5 ай бұрын
It's their job to get a conviction.
@glenwest6079
5 ай бұрын
I blame the police for not investigating this better and not taking DNA or finger prints the first time.
@IaIaCthulhuFtagn
5 ай бұрын
Yeah I thought it was standard procedure to take fingerprints when you book a guy into jail.
@johnanon658
5 ай бұрын
AND WHAT ABOUT RIGHT TO FACE YOUR ACCUSER???
@wendwllhickey6426
5 ай бұрын
Cops are lazy and do the least amount of work as possible 😂
@mikepalmer1971
5 ай бұрын
@@wendwllhickey6426probably much like you.
@CognitiveHeatsink
5 ай бұрын
They have to have your fingerprints on file in order to verify your identity. If you've never had your fingerprints taken then that won't work. Most people don't have their fingerprints on file.
@nuclearmedicineman6270
5 ай бұрын
1.2 million dollar fine.. *to the government;* zero dollars to the victim, from anyone.
@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76
5 ай бұрын
Punishable by fine means legal for a fee
@mikepalmer1971
5 ай бұрын
And people think I am crazy for being so anti government.
@charlescarmichael1124
5 ай бұрын
The ENTIRE fine should go to the victim.
@solandri69
5 ай бұрын
Government screws up. Government collects a fine for their screwup. Yeah, sounds like the government has discovered a loophole where the penalty for identity theft gets paid to them, instead of to the victim.
@bhutehole
5 ай бұрын
@@mikepalmer1971 not so sure about that these days. the sentiment seems to be growing alot. pain tends to do that
@loismiller2830
5 ай бұрын
It's one thing to steal an identity. It's a whole 'nother level of evil to allow the person you stole from go to jail and the psych ward.
@RKNGL
5 ай бұрын
Not only that but to follow-up on the case to make sure they're falsely punished.
@kt11540
5 ай бұрын
The victim should also sue for medical kidnapping ....
@terramarini6880
5 ай бұрын
Don't forget forced consumption of pharmaceuticals, anti psychotics can mess you up permanently if you are not psychotic. Some of them come with permanent side effects like tardive dyskinesia, (a form of lock jaw) my brother got this from one of his anti psychotics, and can only eat semi reclined to be able to swallow and refuses to eat unless alone. His brother and I try to have meals with him but he saves his for later.
@JeffSherlock
5 ай бұрын
Illegal drugging.
@Justshill
5 ай бұрын
Who can the victim sue to collect monetary damages other than the imposter?
@SeanBZA
5 ай бұрын
Nobody, though he can go after every asset in their name, and refuse all the liabilities, as that was done fraudulently.
@Zundfolge
5 ай бұрын
The State of California for wrongful imprisonment. Ironically had he never been thrown in jail and the mental hospital there really would be nobody he could sue.
@georgesheffield1580
5 ай бұрын
All of those that contributed to his incarnation including the states involved.
@frozencanary4522
5 ай бұрын
He'll sue everyone. The impostor, the medical facility where the impostor worked, the state and municipal offices that jailed and had him committed, Tennessee for issuing the bogus birth certificate and anyone else they can think of. Then let the courts sort it out.
@disorganizedorg
5 ай бұрын
@@frozencanary4522 The mental hospital need to be sued hard too for not recognizing the absence of mental illness for many months. That makes me question any diagnosis rendered there.
@arga400
5 ай бұрын
A hospital and a University Police Department took this more seriously than the LAPD, a Judge and a District Attorney.
@artnixie
5 ай бұрын
yeah, that's an important aspect.
@hannamariewilson
5 ай бұрын
It just seems like they could have done the DNA test before throwing the guy in mental prison.
@ithinkaboutthings9052
5 ай бұрын
Yeah. That’s realistic. Actually, I am being sarcastic.
@doughinkley8796
5 ай бұрын
This would require effort and generally COPs use the minimum effort to obtain a conviction and could care less about facts or truth!
@JohnDoe-jq1br
5 ай бұрын
Once police make a decision, they don't change their minds. They never admit a mistake
@ithinkaboutthings9052
5 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-jq1br In other words, some of them are just like you - Take a couple seconds of video or the smallest nugget of information and it’s full speed ahead. You and your friends in The Court of Public Opinion are quite happy to destroy lives and careers based on your temporary belief in misinformation, disinformation and lies.
@ithinkaboutthings9052
5 ай бұрын
@@doughinkley8796 Are you a felon or just a collector of small time misdemeanors? Ask for a friend.
@SteamCrane
5 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, a guy that was having an epileptic seizure was tased and thrown in jail, now being prosecuted for resisting arrest.
@bryanschuler9097
5 ай бұрын
Are you saying having a seizure is not placing the police at risk of harm?
@SteamCrane
5 ай бұрын
@@bryanschuler9097 It is not placing police in harm. They need to back off and listen to the wife telling them what is happening.
@unoriginalname4321
5 ай бұрын
@@bryanschuler9097only if the seizure victim has knives taped to every limb. Of course, they could always wait until the seizure is over.
@lpfan4491
5 ай бұрын
@@bryanschuler9097 You can't just say "skill issue" to someone having a seizure. They literally can't control it.
@TheLuceon
5 ай бұрын
I don't normally jump on this train but that judge and the victims criminal case that lead to being tossed into the mental institution genuinely needs an investigation as well. If this is not a civil rights lawsuit then I don't know what is.
@imchris5000
5 ай бұрын
I dont think him thinking his identity was stolen was the only metal illnesses he had considering he was already homeless
@mikepalmer1971
5 ай бұрын
You do t normally jump,on that train but we regularly hear stories of false and bogus prosecutions and imprisonment of innocent people. Ok dude. Keep believing in your delusion of the legal system.
@bartolomeothesatyr
5 ай бұрын
@@imchris5000The presence or absence of existing mental illnesses is irrelevant, mental illness doesn't suddenly revoke a citizen's entitlement to the same rights as anyone else.
@imchris5000
5 ай бұрын
@@bartolomeothesatyr it does though and thats the current laws and people cheer for it especially for things like removing their 2nd amendment right
@andrewgjennings
5 ай бұрын
@@bartolomeothesatyr 💯💯💯💯💯
@lostindixie
5 ай бұрын
One of the greatest mischaracterizations perpetrated on the public by financial institutions is "identity theft." No, my identity wasn't "stolen", you were fooled, it your responsibility.
@brightmoon7132
5 ай бұрын
@lostindixie So so true! In this day and time it's absolutely ridiculous. We have DNA, fingerprints, photography- there is simply no excuse for putting the responsibility for "identity theft" on the victim. Remember when you had to give your thumb print to cash a check? Something as simple as that could prevent a whole lot of crime and suffering for so many victims.
@larrywest42
5 ай бұрын
Yep, it's called "impersonation", or "false impersonation". But this may be one of the crimes that's actually charged, with "identity theft" being just the popular name.
@benwatkins7600
5 ай бұрын
Amen brother!
@seanclark8452
5 ай бұрын
Exactly. basically unverified identity lending + reporting false debt to credit agencies to coerce payment
@Kurgosh1
5 ай бұрын
You think multibillion dollar corporations are going to shoulder any burden they could put on innocent people?
@arizwebfoot
5 ай бұрын
Why didn't they just call his father to begin with? The doctor at the institution should have done that at the very least.
@joseamaldonadojr3206
5 ай бұрын
They would probably just say they tried “what do you think I’m crazy?”
@AlanTheBeast100
5 ай бұрын
1) The fine will never be paid, and 2) the victim would not get a dime of it if it were, and 3) the creditors will never stop coming after the victim for their money.
@thestephensons4520
5 ай бұрын
If the imposter spent ~30 years working in the victim’s name, doesn’t that mean he now has 30 year’s worth of social security credit in his name? That should immediately be handed to the victim in addition to any other payments
@MattH-wg7ou
5 ай бұрын
Good point but we all know no one will see a dime of that but the gvmt. Unfortunately.
@Andrés-f6l3l
5 ай бұрын
That never happens when they catch someone for this. I know people who let people use their social security number so they can get money when they get older. Some places now even want a ID to get a job.
@neuropilot7310
5 ай бұрын
I wonder if Institute for Justice would take the case to either represent the victim at the sentencing, or for holding the LAPD accountable in a lawsuit by the victim.
@TheTwinn
5 ай бұрын
I've worked in many a mental hospital and home, the fact that not a single nurse, doctor or support worker picked up on this is frankly criminal negligence. Of course you get patients who claim they're not sick, all the time. But there are robust checks and assessments for this type of thing. 150 days is just mind boggling.
@diablominero
5 ай бұрын
Why wasn't this a "civil matter"? Isn't that the standard police response when two people accuse each other of stealing the same thing and both claim to own it?
@MattW-vh1ew
5 ай бұрын
Had identification stolen while in service and deployed. Crazy returning to find I was broke a car was purchased in Arizona , They took a cruise and made several trips to adult themed clubs..wasn’t hard to figure out it wasn’t me with chain of commands assistance but still took 6 months to get the money returned and everything fixed. Was a data breach from Bank of America. What this man went through is far worse was criminalized for being the victim by someone most trust.
@Relkond
5 ай бұрын
I do hope the punishments include severe penalties for, effectively, framing the victim to felonies.
@nnm711
5 ай бұрын
Why are they giving the impostor a 1.5m fine?! They should give the money to the victim, instead of it going to the state! Or give all the impostor's property to the victim.
@darrinrebagliati5365
5 ай бұрын
It is technically his! In my opinion anyway!
@stupidburp
5 ай бұрын
The government is rewarded for their incompetence in handling the investigation
@jiaan100
5 ай бұрын
That's why we need to stop consenting to be ruled.
@rjay7019
5 ай бұрын
I told a judge once I was pleading guilty because I didn't have the money to fight it or the time to take off work as I was head of household. Found myself in the judges' chambers with the prosecuting attorney. I walked out with a $300 fine for both charges. They were held in abeyance, and I had to behave myself for a year's probation. I still don't think I was guilty of anything, but that was the cheapest way out.
@PeterCiesla
5 ай бұрын
The entire medical establishment needs to be investigated.
@boldCactuslad
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, we should have congress look into their deeds. Wait, what do you mean they're the same people?
@disorganizedorg
5 ай бұрын
They also need to sue the perpetrator for the fraudulently obtained salary. Ironically I bet he was excellent in the job because he didn't have any pesky qualifications interfering.
@the_expidition427
5 ай бұрын
The medical establishment has been a sham for a long time, the easiest field to be bad at is in psychology
@brettsinger4924
4 ай бұрын
yeah I knew a psychologist that would falsify the medical report that he'd type into his computer. He'd write the patient is suicidal. I was with the patient as their advocate 2 weeks prior & nowhere did the patient say they were suicidal. They were on Medicade. Defenseless Helpless. I know of others too which were a joke. I did meet one psychiatric nurse evaluating the patient I was with prior to this & that person though was honest & amazing even had no one else in the facility that day & asked me if I wanted a free evaluation. I was like go for it, never had one before. She said that I have a heightened sense of awareness a spiritual gift. That I knew people's behaviors & what they would do to me eventually before it happened. That my intuition is expanded. I was quite impressed with that nurse, who would give an appointment to someones advocate for Free? With the exception of her, I don't like that medical industry.@@the_expidition427
@TomJakobW
3 ай бұрын
The most annoying thing about the “Medical establishment” is that for the most part it consists of people (who coincidentally cause the most BS) having nothing to even do with medicine. Administrators, bureaucrats, insurance companies (where non-doctors decide if of if not something is medically necessary) etc.
@jeffc5474
5 ай бұрын
Judges need to be held accountable for the travesty they caused.
@azrobbins01
5 ай бұрын
If they were held accountable for every decision that goes badly, no one would be a judge. We elect people with good judgement to make hard decisions for us. They will make mistakes sometimes, but someone needs to make them. There are decisions where it is 50/50, and someone will be harmed no matter which side they choose. A decision must be made, and I do not want them to be held liable for doing their job. Gross negligence or incompetence is another matter, but this does not sound like that. You had a homeless man claiming that a doctor had taken his identity, so the judge sent him for evaluation, and the hospital determined that he was lying, even though he was not.
@niyablake
5 ай бұрын
It's even worse he can never own a gun because a judge sent him to mental hospital
@ithinkaboutthings9052
5 ай бұрын
It’s okay. The highest court in the world - FISA - has shown it’s okay to take lies on affidavits and they hold no one accountable. Why should lesser courts be expected to do anything else?
@jeffc5474
5 ай бұрын
@@azrobbins01Sorry but the judge and law enforcement both failed in this case. DNA has been around for decades and the Judge could have ordered a DNA test to confirm everything since the fraudster listed the victim’s father as his own.
@azrobbins01
5 ай бұрын
@@jeffc5474 They did fail, but if we prosecute every judge who makes a bad call, they will all be in prison, and no one will want to be a judge. We simply can not do that. Mistakes will be made, and I think you underestimate how many mistakes happen every day. Literally, every judge in the country would go to prison because a lot of the time, they have to guess. A decision MUST be made and one of the parties WILL be harmed, and a lot of the time, it is just 'he says', vs 'she says'. They can not be held liable to choosing the wrong party. In a lot of these cases, they may as well flip a coin. Would you want to go to prison over a coin flip when it is part of your job?
@briangarrow448
5 ай бұрын
I knew a guy who was a wildland firefighter. He traveled all over North America and even to Australia to fight fires. He was away from home up to 6 months at a time. He got his identity stolen by a stranger and ended up having to declare bankruptcy because of the financial damages this scumbag caused to his finances. The culprit only got a slap on the wrist. The guilty verdict should have included at least a couple of years in prison. This mess took years for my friend to clear up.
@AFloridaSon
5 ай бұрын
Wow, that's sad. I hope the victim comes out of this with millions of dollars.
@baldrian22
5 ай бұрын
he might be rewarded millions in the civil courts if going afther the person in question, but the real question is how mutch of that he would ever see. for the banks etc is probably going afther the imposter for the money that was borrowed and question is who would have priority there or how that even works, the vicitim or the financial instituitons, the goverment etc.
@HH-ru4bj
5 ай бұрын
Maybe...it depends on if the authorities in this case can be seen as arriving to the rational conclusion with the evidence available, or if they simply took someone else word for it because they weren't homeless.
@mikepalmer1971
5 ай бұрын
Doubtful. He probably lost everything and we may hear a story alter of self deletion. No justice in this legal system.
@13donstalos
3 ай бұрын
Same
@DJdoppIer
5 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the 1995 movie "The Net". Our Computer Science teacher made us watch it back in High School as a warning about the dangers of identity theft.
@toneyeye
5 ай бұрын
One of the reasons I could not wait to get out of the state of Florida is the incompetence or corruption of the law enforcement and the judicial system that I ran into. Having to plead "no contest" to traffic violations (the judge and the court ignored my "not guilty" plea and kept adjourning my hearings) just to move on with my life was a low point in my life in Florida. When DeSantis tells the world that Florida is where some humans come to die, he knows exactly what he is saying; and it is very true. Law and law enforcement failed the victim in this story and every one involved should lose some weeks of pay at the very least, including the judge that could not judge the evidence.
@DarthSautiorn
5 ай бұрын
The judge who refused to listen to the victim has to be disbarred!
@daveubermensch
5 ай бұрын
The judge did listen to the victim. Judges can't go and investigate. They sit, listen to both sides, review submitted evidence, and make a ruling. So a homeless guy with no paperwork and no proof is on one side saying someone's out to get me and stealing my name. The state with 30 years of paperwork (Which was fake, but apparently really good ones. Because they've fooled ppl for 30yrs.), sworn statements from the scammer, and reports from the police all saying the other side is lying. Which side do you think most people would pick is telling the truth? The judge went with the side that had the most evidence. The judge isn't at fault here. It's the police. Possibly the prosecution. The cops could've done more tests then to verify ID. They could've contacted the father, but no. They took the word of the scammer, and only accepted evidence from the scammer. That's criminally faulty police work. The prosecution could've asked if better tests had been done, or if ID was obtained from the father. Their job is to get convictions, but of the right person. So they bear partial responsibility.
@8180634
5 ай бұрын
@@daveubermenschwhy did no one ask the obvious question, why would an "Identity thief" (the real guy) try to steal an identity then spend so much effort trying to fight the debt and clear the record for a stolen Identity? That makes no sense.
@DarthSautiorn
5 ай бұрын
@@daveubermensch The judge should have sent it back to the prosecution and police to investigate, just like they did in the other state. They really screwed up and falsely imprisoned the man. Period.
@andrewgjennings
5 ай бұрын
@@daveubermensch The judge could have ordered a DNA test, commonly done in child custody cases. There is no reason this could not have been ordered. If not for the detective who listened, this guy would still be in a hospital or jail because no one would listen to him even though all had the means to settle this once and for all. The victim is also lucky his father was still alive to provide a DNA sample.
@davidhansen4270
5 ай бұрын
The victim will probably have a heck of a time receiving any compensation, but the government will definitely get its fine.
@ronabitz5156
5 ай бұрын
Whst about action against the hospital and the court that locked him up?
@mikepalmer1971
5 ай бұрын
Exactly. That is where my mind jumps to immediately.
@MrChucke711
5 ай бұрын
Maybe we live in two worlds. I noticed we have Kangaroo Lawyers from Kangaroo law schools now becoming Judges in New York.
@jmr152
5 ай бұрын
Shades of "The Net." That movie scared me to death because I knew it could happen and this story proves it.
@evelynwaugh4053
5 ай бұрын
Weird story. It sounds like the imposter managed the victim's life better than he did. Probably helped that he had no scruples whatsoever.
@bmanagement4657
5 ай бұрын
Once again, US legal authorities show their utter incompetence and contempt for the public.
@bmanagement4657
5 ай бұрын
@@DaveP-uv1ml you arent making a point. What does your proving incompetence in my neighborhood have anything to do with what i said?
@pasques
5 ай бұрын
you voted for them
@bmanagement4657
5 ай бұрын
@@pasques not since 2004.
@mbourque
5 ай бұрын
I HOPE that the victim sues the crap out of the CA police, the judge, the jail people, and the mental intuitions personal..... and gets the MASSIVE payout.... AND I hope MANY people get fired, disbarred, and jailed for violating this person......
@5153flash
5 ай бұрын
The police put him in jail and in mental institution. They are the ones that should be paying for all this ,,along with the impostor. Had the police figured this out sooner this story would not be. Reminds me of the movie,,The Island.
@iknklst
5 ай бұрын
Any government employee who was first involved in this case should be held personally responsible. They couldn't bother themselves to do the job taxpayers hired them to do just because the man was down and out. They had him figured as a liar with zero investigation and sent him away.
@lpfan4491
5 ай бұрын
At this point, people need to understand that taxes are a scam. They don't actually pay for anything directly, even if they realistically should. They get absorbed into the budget first and then the people over there can do whatever they want with it, as long as they can cover it with documents. It is moneywashing that is not only legal, but actually mandated by law. State financial system being straight up corrupt and that is true in most parts of the world sadly.
@mekaerwin7187
5 ай бұрын
It sounds crazy, until you hear that it happened to the guy in California. Then it becomes a lot less crazy, just par for the course.
@danburch9989
5 ай бұрын
The impostor should be in prison for the rest of his natural life. He destroyed his victim's life.
@Wolfie713
5 ай бұрын
Those responsible for arresting the victim and tossing him in the mental hospital dropped the ball on investigating who was telling the truth.
@brettsinger4924
4 ай бұрын
The judge
@Wolfie713
4 ай бұрын
@@brettsinger4924 The judge doesn't investigate, they make a decision based on the information provided from the investigation.
@L337f33t
5 ай бұрын
All assets liquidated, and given to the victim FIRST, then sue the law enforcement agencies that didn’t do any of their due diligence in investigating the impostor. This poor victim got Mr. Ripley’d and that’s quite possibly one of the most scariest things for anyone. The hospital needs to get their stuff together too.
@AlexSomers-d2n
5 ай бұрын
The hospitals would have to downsize if the entrance requirement was more than "someone said this person needs to be here." Law enforcement might have sent him there for an evaluation, but unlike the legal system, no amount of proof will help anyone in a mental institution.
@fumblerooskie
5 ай бұрын
I read this story this morning. What a freakin' nightmare. I hope he can get his unjustified arrest and incarceration records purged. He should NEVER have to explain that to anyone why he was jailed.
@AllanPowell
5 ай бұрын
The cops who arrested him and the judge who saw the case needs to be put in a mental hospital for 5 years, and then in prison for another 5 years.
@jelliebird37
5 ай бұрын
I appreciate the sentiment that this guy - the victim - needs to be *heard* in court. He had already - as Steve put it - “fallen on hard times”. That, plus the fact that he was being treated like a felon, seems to me adds up to man who, if not broken, would likely be pretty fragile. A short stint in a mental institution for then *not* disavowing his own identity could actually turn the guy’s mind inside out. He deserves a civil judgment that would break his perpetrator imposter. Nothing would be enough to settle what he was put through… and to punish the man who inflicted it on him.
@meandean3754
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like there is a Judge that needs to be removed from the bench, along with some LAPD officers that need to be fined or lose their jobs. Along with a hospital that should be coughing up some cash in a civil suit, plus some credit unions that loaned the imposter some money without doing their due diligence.
@vaclavhruza2115
5 ай бұрын
One guy from another state did that to him thanks to lazy cops and judge, imagine if someone from the system wanted to actively lock you up, scary thought.
@thejohnbeck
5 ай бұрын
put the impostor in the loony bin?
@pvtbuddie
5 ай бұрын
I was going to suggest live-in community service, but I wouldn't trust this guy around any vulnerable people.
@SnarkNSass
5 ай бұрын
Nightmare Fuel, Steve. Nightmare Fuel. 😖
@jed1729
5 ай бұрын
Little League PD and the bank and everybody else should be held accountable and liable for triple damages being locked in a mental institution should be paid enormous amount of compensation
@KarlEchtermeyer
5 ай бұрын
I sent this to Steve earlier today but figured everybody, their dog, and their dog’s best friend’s owner’s cousin would send this to Steve. I guess I was right. And I bet this ends up as the inspiration for a made-for-TV movie at some point.
@donnavandezande3905
5 ай бұрын
The victim should receive the profit from the movie if it's made
@HH-ru4bj
5 ай бұрын
But...didn't the victim have a chronological line of activity that would have gone back to ppl that actually knew them, or could be verified through like say, a year book? Or did the cops and judges rely on their digital fingerprint like security questions, and say to themselves "good enough, lock this guy up." I don't understand how it seems more effort went into convicting the guy than into investing and verifying the claims of both sides. Is this really what our law enforcement and judicial system focuses on, convicting ppl over their duty as public servants?
@andrewrohde2373
5 ай бұрын
Congratulations to the original cops involved for doing another great job during their investigation. (Please note the dripping sarcasm.)
@TheAxebeard
5 ай бұрын
I thought mental institutions were banned in the 80s? If they're still around, why the hell are their hobos screaming outside of my apartment in Philly all day?
@victorygarden556
5 ай бұрын
They’re much smaller and are only for the people who literally can’t tell you where they are, their name, who the president is, etc.
@ostlandr
5 ай бұрын
Can't speak for PA, but in NY, the big psych centers were nightmare fuel. And expensive to run. So they were shut down, with the promise that the inmates would be moved to "community treatment centers." The community treatment centers never got built. Thus began the first generation of mentally ill homeless in NYS. The third generation is hitting the streets now as they run out of options.
@thisistherevolt
5 ай бұрын
@@ostlandr This is also the reason why jails and prisons, *coughs in Riker's island* are so dangerous and have so many people in them, mentally ill folks are arrested for made up crimes and languish forever with no real mental health support.
@NoobTamer
5 ай бұрын
Reagan made a big mistake, one that needs to be reversed.
@borrisg4972
5 ай бұрын
Psych wards in normal hospitals are different from dedicated Psychiactric hospitals. There ARE Psych hospitals still nationwide, just not many compared to 40-50 years ago. Psych wards never went away in any capacity, if anything they went up after the dedicated hospitals closed down. Psych wards are where you go for the weekend/week when your psych meds are out of whack. Psych hospitals are just like in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", only far more dangerous in the past 25 years than they could ever have portrayed them for the 1960s/70s.
@Lostboy811
5 ай бұрын
They should compensate the victim.
@hattielankford4775
5 ай бұрын
Through their own personal wallets.
@jonathanj8303
5 ай бұрын
Should, but won't.
@Lostboy811
5 ай бұрын
@jonathanj8303 True but hopefully at least the debts by loans incurred by the imposter should at least be transferred to the imposter real name. Hopefully a judge can order at least that because it wasn't the victim who received it and at least it will correct his life a little bit
@kevinerbs2778
5 ай бұрын
How? you can't give back time.
@Lostboy811
5 ай бұрын
@kevinerbs2778 Monetary value in fact there is already a set amount for being wrongly imprisoned by the government. Depending on the state it is not much but at least they can right all the Monetary harm the imposter caused by charging it under his real name and at least giving him the money for being wrongly imprisoned.
@BBQDad463
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. The imposter cannot possibly serve enough jail time.
@CraigGrant-sh3in
5 ай бұрын
I worked with a guy who had his identity stolen by a CONtractor he worked for. The CONtractor signed up and received credit cards in his employees names .
@lpfan4491
5 ай бұрын
The emphasis on Con sends me, lmao.
@MarjanKaykavoosi
5 ай бұрын
That is crazy that they can do it, the imposter was clearly a smart guy and shame on the police for not doing their job
@evilsharkey8954
5 ай бұрын
The cops and prosecutors in California could be bothered to call the victim’s family to see if he’s telling the truth?
@jasonplatco7881
5 ай бұрын
I would like to know why nobody questioned how a homeless man claiming to be a person knew the identity info of that person, going in to a bank with the account owner being from a different state? I'm thinking the local PD didn't do enough digging to begin with and used alot of bad judgment in assuming guilt of the homeless man. They probably didn't even look at the docs presented by the fraudster too hard.
@amr8457
5 ай бұрын
Interesting thought. Does the victim now own, legally, whatever what was bought in his name like the house, car, boat, land, and all the property containedin those mentioned? The imposter could lose everything acquired in those 30 years? At the very least the victim has multiple lawsuits he can pursue.
@JChang0114
5 ай бұрын
The fine needs to come from the pension plan of state employees.
@Duncan_Campbell
5 ай бұрын
I wonder if you could go after the bank, since at a time the bank was a part of this and they actively tried to stop the victim.
@akshonclip
5 ай бұрын
This is exactly why companies should not have the right to mine your data.
@daveubermensch
5 ай бұрын
What in the world does that have to with this? The scammer started doing this in the 1990s. No massive data collection then or in the early 2000s. Even if there was, what does that have to do with this? This is simply one guy stole his business partner's identity while working a hotdog cart on the streets in mid 1990s. No company data mining involved.
@carolrocky9803
5 ай бұрын
STEVE Q = The imposter should get a prison time double the time, years he used the victims ID - the ppl doing ID fraud usually can't handle finances well so how will they pay what they are being sued for?
@restingsmirkface
5 ай бұрын
The impostor is a high-level admin at a hospital, the victim was homeless? I'm very happy to hear this was sorted out. Considering the homeless victim probably had little/no money for legal help, I can see why things got so mixed up. I guess the LESSON here is to get as many other people to support you in identity-theft cases (father, family, etc)
@Flamester43
5 ай бұрын
I'm horrified, but its not the first time a person couldn't prove they who they are (Joshua Spriestersbach). How can homeless be helped in this system if their judicial personhood is so frail that losing a document forfeits their right to use their name.
@Tb0n3
5 ай бұрын
Looks like he pulled off a Rusty Shackleford a la Dale Gribble from King of the Hill.
@michaelsand2791
5 ай бұрын
I hope that he has some recource on his behalf 😢
@Paul_Wetor
5 ай бұрын
Bizarre! And it took decades to uncover. The victim should get all the Social Security benefits the imposter earned using his name.
@WayneClarke-e2s
5 ай бұрын
This is definitely movie material. I hope the victim can sell his story, besides being compensated for his false imprisonment by all involved.
@katiekane5247
5 ай бұрын
Being a hospital administrator requires a willingness to not care about people's lives
@TomJakobW
3 ай бұрын
I’d even say an “open enthusiasm for not caring about people’s lives”, honestly.
@codemiesterbeats
5 ай бұрын
Wild one for sure... I just wonder how he was committed assuming he was normal 😅
@williamjones3462
5 ай бұрын
Why don't banks require that a person taking out a loan have finger prints on the document they sign? It will not prevent all fraudulent loans but will help to solve some of them. The DNA connecting the victim to his father (thankful the father was still alive) and that the perp was not related was great detective work.
@donnavandezande3905
5 ай бұрын
So, the imposter would have fingerprints on the fraudulent documents. The victims' prints wouldn't match, and nothing would have changed.
@regismonkton
5 ай бұрын
If someone is a victim of this, but is on the outside of confinement, who should that one speak with for help? I'm asking for an answer other than the police.
@trombone79
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for mentioning why someone might plead guilty when they're innocent. The "plea deal" is how prosecutors can pad their resume or persecute their political enemies.
@ostlandr
5 ай бұрын
I thought he pled no contest? Need to listen to it again.
@Fuxy22
5 ай бұрын
That just goes to show how much they check their sanity when sending them to a mental hospital...
@nelskrogh3238
5 ай бұрын
I can see DNA ID requirements in our immediate future.
@ononearts
5 ай бұрын
It appears to me that the CA police owe the victim millions for not doing due diligence to find the truth of the matter. Lazy incompetence in the extreme.
@Alan-ln3ls
5 ай бұрын
This reminds me of a broadly similar case in Ireland: I can't remember the exact details, but it involved a man whose island house was demolished and turned into a hotel car park while he was on an extended absence abroad; he was also put into a mental institution because of his delusion about owning a house that clearly wasn't there.
@hwh888
5 ай бұрын
Its quite obvious the police AND the legal system looked at both individuals. Hey one is successful and the other is homeless so obviously the successful guy is legitimate and the other guy well hey look “he’s a homeless guy”. The states, both of them, need to be held responsible for negligence. YES I HOPE he’s called to the witness stand to tell his story.
@HealingSwordsman
5 ай бұрын
The victim should never have to work again in his life and have every need taken care of - its so sad.. :(
@franksnowboarder
5 ай бұрын
What about false imprisonment?
@McShaganpronouncedShaegen
5 ай бұрын
Why didn't he have them ask his father to ID him in the first place?
@southernflatland
5 ай бұрын
Mr. Lehto, I'm just a random nerd that knows next to squat about the intricacies of the law. I just wanted to thank you for everything you do, and bringing attention to these sort of situations, and helping educate people on their legal rights. Thank you.
@lisamoag6548
5 ай бұрын
You mean legalize which is not LAW. CODES ARE NOT LAW
@chrisbulldog1353
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like the guy took notes from Frank Abagnale, Jr. to get away with it that long
@gaselekrauss415
5 ай бұрын
What a nightmare
@isaacbobjork7053
5 ай бұрын
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!
@lpfan4491
5 ай бұрын
Appearently, it actually is, according to the justice system.
@albertorozco5981
5 ай бұрын
What an injustice to the victim. I hope an attorney somewhere helps the victim get compensation for all his suffering.
@JonnyBoy07a
5 ай бұрын
Why did that judge that ordered him into a mental facility not ask to speak to the guys father first? Seems like the father would be able to identify his son and end it there but it took until now to finally get someone to do their damn job and get this straightened out.
@UnknownWarriorZz
5 ай бұрын
This guy better get the UPPER part of that sentencing guideline. 2-32 years he needs at least 30 years he perpetuated a fraud for 30 years and is clearly a sociopath with ZERO sympathy for what he did to his victim.
@atlanticx100
5 ай бұрын
That is one of the most complicated ID thefts I have heard.
@TestTest-up8vc
5 ай бұрын
Someone in TX stole my identity and was using it to receive government assistance and I then had to provide additional forms of identification; i.e. DL, SSN card, student ID, anything I had w/ my name, pic, or DOB to prove I was who I said I was. Bc I applied for assistance and was denied.
@pageveazey9874
5 ай бұрын
Steve.... You should explain how Civil lawsuits work. You name everybody that had any connection, and the Judge throws out all the ones that don't count and then you end up suing whoever is left on the list.
@Vulcan9988
5 ай бұрын
This guy deserves life in prison, you took half that mans life, you get the last half taken away
@danielhoward8354
5 ай бұрын
Wait a minute. He already stood in front of a judge with his i.d. and was put in jail and a mental institute. Why would he want to stand in front of a judge again to prove a point.
@ShelbyRacerRich
5 ай бұрын
Steve, I call those "Structural Convictions" where the structure in the corner of our law system makes it more reasonable to plead guilty. Usually because of reduced time or the prodspect of putting up huge money to prove you are innocent.
@mrs2691
5 ай бұрын
so how does it work since the conviction is not under the victim's name/social and such. Same with the medical records for the mental health institution.
@francishuard5533
5 ай бұрын
Procedures protocols the law. Procedures Identify to follow protocols to identifying an individual. Not the this that the other thing all the way back to the point of illegal actions taken by cash as the bank as well as justice system failed to provide an Unbiased perspective upon fact.
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