2:03 I like that little detail where Starline had to take off Belle's hat to open up her head, but instead of placing it on the nearby desk, he decides to wear her hat for a little bit until he's done. It's a small thing but I can't help but laugh at it.
@sylver_sonic7726
3 жыл бұрын
Love Starline here, he looked like a manipulative maniac. Poor Belle :(
@SonicBoss1991
3 жыл бұрын
He reminds me of the joker 😂
@whatamidoing6833
3 жыл бұрын
Hello the one i subbed
@hydrocityshark
3 жыл бұрын
@@SonicBoss1991 Starline: “I’m gonna see what makes you tick!”
@SonicBoss1991
3 жыл бұрын
@@hydrocityshark Or....TINK!! I'll see myself out
@KavinCatastrophe
3 жыл бұрын
Sonic: What should we do with the Zetis. Patrick: We Should take the Zetis AND PUSH THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE!!
@HollowJay
3 жыл бұрын
PUSH
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Shadow: That idea... may just be crazy enough..... TO GET US ALL KILLED!!!
@KavinCatastrophe
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer I was Waiting for someone to finish that Line. You never disappoint VideoGollumer.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@KavinCatastrophe Aw, shucks; thanks, Kavin.
@raptorzeraora2632
3 жыл бұрын
Fnny joke, but its zeti
@antitwinv2764
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't notice the Matrix of leadership was there until now🤣🤣🤣
@93SuperSonic
3 жыл бұрын
Neither did I. If a Tranformers Crossovwr did happen, Sonic would aid Optimus while Eggman would aid Megatron/Gavaltron.
@thedarkdevil1661
3 жыл бұрын
I swear that Ian flynn has made Zavok into the idw's version of ixis naugus. 1) A villain who fights sonic. 2) Uses a power that can depower eggman's machines. (Nagaus' crystal powers + Zavok's magnet field manipulation. Both of which have been shown to be able to control eggman robots) 3) hates both eggman and sonic If Zavok ever said quickster or speedster to sonic, I wouldn't be surprised :)
@hydrocityshark
3 жыл бұрын
1) The things you stated we’re established in Lost Worlds, meaning that Ian didn’t create these aspects. 2) Quickster doesn’t seem to be a term in Zavok’s vocabulary.
@DipperPines1986
2 жыл бұрын
What about the Iron Queen? All of these points apply to her too.
@MarcMagma
3 жыл бұрын
3:25 Despite this being supposed to be an emotional moment, I couldn't help but laugh out loud when seeing that panel.
@SonicBoss1991
3 жыл бұрын
Starlines face was so derpy I love it 😂
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Belle: What the?! Starline: Oooooh!!!
@mysteriouslymysterious316
3 жыл бұрын
6:54 Ooooh I can't wait to read about Surge and Kit. I wonder how their interaction with Starline would be like. Will they be absolutely loyal and respectful towards their platypus master? Or will they be sarcastic, snide and argumentative towards him kinda like how Shego is towards Drakken? So many possibilities for those 3.
@bluevelocity9166
3 жыл бұрын
As a massive Transformers fan and who reads IDW’s Transformers comics, i geeked out so much with that line and seeing the matrix of leadership on the shelf. Now they’re just teasing a Sonic/Transformers crossover now.
@J_Random0822
3 жыл бұрын
"Tinkerus Prime", that's genius.
@Uhhhhh1188
3 жыл бұрын
Alright, time for another long, long review (because at this point it's somewhat of a tradition now) Ok. Issue 44. It's was really good! Sonic and Tails at the start are drawn good, their facial expression even reminding me of Archie. Heading over to Dr. Starline, (who was also beautifully drawn especially Starline's fact when he says "them"). He takes Belle's data and extractes it, my guess is that it will be used in Imposter Syndrome. It is nice to see the Chaotix back in action, taking charge together, which was last in Issues 9-11 with Neo Metal Sonic and Master Overlord (I mean if you want you can count Issue 17, which was the last time they were together, because Charmy became a Zombot). During Belle's backstory, I find it surprising and strange at the same time that she wasn't a victim of the Metal Virus. When you think about she is part robot (or badnik, I guess), but looks like her exterior is made of wood. The Metal Virus could infect plant life, and she was in a large Metal Virus puddle. I really felt bad for Belle when she was essentially disregard as a spy when she has a positive and kind heart. I kinda wonder how far she had to run from Windmill Village (presumably Issue 29-32) to get to that Eggman base from Issue 35. When the Chaotix busted into Starline's bases, he mentions that this isn't he main mega base (that of course being Egg Base Sigma which he conquered with the "help" of Mimic, Zavok, Rough and Tumble in the "Bad Guys" Miniseries [which is most likely where he is conducting experiments for the "Imposter Syndrome" Miniseries]). When Starline escaped, and Vector having a small chat with Belle, I couldn't stop laughing for a soild 3 minutes when Vector said "We can have Tails fix you up a new heart." By the end of the Issue, I started wonder how the Deadly Six would be used again (if ever) in IDW Sonic, but that feels too late to speculate about. Speaking of speculate, I wonder how "Trail By Fire" and "Imposter Syndrome" are going to connect. IDW did say that they we're going to converge at one point or another. What we do know about Trail By Fire (which comes out October 13th, the day after my birthday [so that's nice]) is that it will focus on Tangle, Belle, Jewel, and Amy going on a road trip to relax, with then things go haywire. I really don't know much that, meaning little predictions, but Imposter Syndrome on the other hand... We thankfully have loads of information for the upcoming miniseries. With two new characters, Surge and Kit (who look like they both easily fits into Sonic's world), as Imposters. The general overview says "... a surge of lookalikes spells trouble for Sonic, Tails, and even the dreaded Dr. Eggman!" That could mean theymight make a apperence, which would mark the first time Sonic has appeared in a IDW miniseries (not counting all the times he has been constantly name-dropping throughout "Tangle & Whisper" and "Bad Guys" of course). We would likely see Starline use Belle's data and Tails's fur (that he got in Issue 36). That's really about as much I got that could realistically happen (I don't want a crazy conspiracy theory floating around in my head).
@wendellstephens6311
3 жыл бұрын
The metal virus was shown to not affect processed materials, like bread and wood used for building, so that's why Belle wasn't affected. Also, Starline wanted the code that generates Belle's feelings of loyalty, so his creations are less likely to turn on him.
@andresmarrero8666
3 жыл бұрын
@@wendellstephens6311 however since he is using emotions for that and it is coming from Mr. Tinker, I think it is very likely that they are going to turn on him at some point.
@wendellstephens6311
3 жыл бұрын
@@andresmarrero8666 That is entirely possible.
@vm141789
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there's gonna be a storyline about Belle becoming a real girl.
@michij3336
3 жыл бұрын
Like the story of pinocchio except there is no father for her
@richardpatterson1694
3 жыл бұрын
@@michij3336 technically eggman is her dad
@michij3336
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardpatterson1694 like starline said "from a certain point of view"
@KavinCatastrophe
3 жыл бұрын
Starline: Yes with These Notes i can finally Finish My Project. Copying off of some else's Notes it College all over again.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
And he's likely not more than a year out of college.
@Xeno-The-Wanderer
3 жыл бұрын
to be fair, this kind of programming is both new and nigh impossible to replicate without reference and data to work on
@colinledoux7836
3 жыл бұрын
The emotional data is gonna come back to haunt Starline.
@lazlow8788
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, his lackies are already plotting against him.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
If and when Sonic is told, one way or another, what Starline and Belle discussed; I hope that, and feel like, Sonic's gonna get a bit more shaken up from it than from what Zavok said to him, since Sonic would then realize that he was (or at least released) the "Eggman Trigger". Anyone else agree?
@hydrocityshark
3 жыл бұрын
He probably would, but would then deflect it with an optimistic facade.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@hydrocityshark If he did, Tails would probably get mad at him. Tails would no doubt feel guilty himself, since he was the one who actually repaired and reactivated Metal Sonic. Yes; it was Sonic's idea, he asked Tails to do it, Tails DID questioned him before going through with it, and I personally am not holding it against him for trusting his heroic big bro figure's judgment; but even I can't deny that Tails did have a hand in it. If Sonic WAS still in denial; Tails would probably say something to him along the lines of "Sonic! Don't you realize what we've done?! We CAUSED all of this!".
@hydrocityshark
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer If that’s the case then I could see a future arc where Tails will either have a legit conflict with Sonic, or go and destroy Metal PERMANENTLY as a way of removing guilt.
@perryfolk8796
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is a little bit of a turning point so to speak for the series currently. With the Zeti punted off the stage, I think the writers are wanting to clear the way for more of their own villains and stories for the future (which is being seen with Belle and her development). I'm interested to see what #50 is going to look like.
@hypershadic4591
3 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that people aren't bringing up The Times that Sonic the hedgehog show that he is Capable of lethal justice. In Sonic adventure He attempted to murder chaos in his 1st encounter By aiming for his brain. Next in shadow the hedgehog I don't know if this is Canon or not. He might have murdered many blackarms soldiers. And sonic in The Secret rings he used erazor jinn lamb to torture him into bringing shahra back to life and fixing the world of the Arabian nights and after that he wish for erazor jinn to be put trapped inside the lamp forever. In sonic in the black night He wanted to commit regicide against King Arthur Rather than taken a scabbard power away from King Arthur to free him on his corruption like he did with Merlina when she became the dark queen. With all the crimes that Eggman has committed Like Committing genocide, putting multiple planets in the universe in danger. I'm surprised sonic does not give eggman Any type of lethal justice. Giving the fact the That eggman's responsible for the whole world Suffering at the hands Of the metal virus.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, and Sonic doesn't even know that he himself (and to a lesser extension, Tails) enabled Eggman to cause it. He had Tails reactivate Metal Sonic then let him get away when he refused Sonic's offer for peace, and it was "Mr. Tinker" simply laying a hand on Metal Sonic that ultimately jogged his memory. Also, I would like to point out that the Black Knight was a fake King Arthur, an illusion, created by the unseen Merlin. Sonic himself turned out to be the 'real' King Arthur in the end. But yes, Sonic didn't know all of that when he was fighting him; so I'd say it counts as an attempt on a 'life'.
@nemohegdehog8944
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it’s about how useful Eggman could be to saving their world? Like the Black Arms invasion…but I could see him having enough and unleashing his power full force once in a blue moon.
@videogollumer
2 жыл бұрын
@@nemohegdehog8944 The last time he "helped" in the games AND in this comic He went Stabby McBackstabber on the heroes before the threat was resolved! Also, most of the times he's "helped" was against a threat that Eggman himself unleashed! Furthermore, the only reason he "helps" in the first place is because it suits his own needs! Sonic needs to take Eggman more seriously; but Sonic seems to have forgotten about how willing he was to even kill the Deadly Six in Lost World!
@theajaxs720
3 жыл бұрын
I'll say, this was the Zeti's best and most intelligent appearance. They had an actual plan.
@mr.pibbeds9848
3 жыл бұрын
I bet dr. Starline is making clones using the DNA he got from Sonic, Tails, Rouge, and all the villains he had in his party.
@mysteriousgirl9211
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think it would have been wiser if Tails _didn't_ program the Zeti Zappers to deactivate once the Zeti reach and return to the Lost Hex?
@ChaddyFantome
2 жыл бұрын
Sonic doesn't give in or compromise. He just only has a steadfast heart of gold. In his world, compromise doesn't exist. Every step just meets the rest.
@Blu_Moon_VA
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Matrix is hinting at some future crossover...
@MarcusDandridgeDee_Kae
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Espio will tell Sonic and Tails what he heard from Belle's backstory making them realize had they shut down Metal permanently Eggman would never have returned
@SonicMania2099
3 жыл бұрын
Metal Sonic DID play a key role in stopping the Metal Virus
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
They'll probably feel terrible.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@SonicMania2099 Which is UNDERMINED by the fact that he had a key role in STARTING it in the first place!
@SonicMania2099
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer Also, to be fair in Sonic's defense, no one suggest having anyone in the Resistance to keep an eye on Mr.Tinker, suggesting how bad the Resistance/Resortation is without the name Sonic characters
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@SonicMania2099 Sonic's their inspiration, no?
@tracyndiyob162
3 жыл бұрын
even though all sonic characters(even the chao.) can drive tails in a truck is so funny to me. :3 like starline's creations mixing sonic & tails fears(water and lightning.),actually thought the deadly six were alright in idw compared to the games/cluttering up worlds unite(especially love standing up for himself and think it was a good time to send them off likely for good unless they change/a trip to the lost hex happens.) and loved the chaotix supporting bell.
@cyberwolf5896
3 жыл бұрын
I kinda wonder how Surge and Kit are considered imposters, I mean sure Kit is a fox like Tails but he’s colored different and has huge ears, and Surge looks nothing like Sonic, other than the fact that Tenrecs somewhat can resemble hedgehogs. So are they gonna be pulling an Adventure 2 moment for this or something?
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
An impostor doesn't necessarily have to pretend to be a specific person; maybe Starline will have them pretend to be heroes. I know it sounds like a slight stretch, considering how devious Surge looks and how emotionless Kit looks; but I still think it could be taken into consideration.
@cyberwolf5896
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer that could be true, maybe that would be why Starline needed the emotion simulation data from Belle, so they could act more realistic to everyone else and make them sound like they are heroes. However I still feel like the fact that they chose a Tenrec and a Fennec to be their species is quite a coincidence
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@cyberwolf5896 You mean quite MORE THAN a coincidence, right?
@cyberwolf5896
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer yea quite more than
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@cyberwolf5896 Oh no, I agree; it was completely intentional. The duality of Sonic and Tails is present in all sorts of ways in Surge and Kit's conception. Tenrecs and fennecs are basically diet hedgehogs and foxes respectively. Even Surge and Kit's facial expressions seem to imply personalities that are dark parallels of Sonic and Tails; Surge being confident but malevolent, and Kit being pensive but emotionless. Then there are mismatches that seem to be deliberate; such as their fur colors being swapped and lighter. Kit, Tails counterpart, also has water based powers; water being Sonic's phobia. Surge, Sonic's counterpart, on the other hand, has electric (or lightning) powers; lightning being Tails' phobia. It may also be possible that Surge has super speed like Sonic; and Kit may, somehow, have flight like Tails. We'll have to wait and see.
@TidalVex
2 жыл бұрын
8:52 thanks for the shout-out!
@DiamondBatToons
2 жыл бұрын
2:33 SAY WHAT?!?! THAT IS SUCH A COOL EASTER EGG!! 🤩🤩 How did Starline even DISCOVER his Universe's All-Spark!? I can't even BEGIN to tell you how bad I want a Transformers × Sonic The Hedgehog crossover! If they can do it with MLP, they SURE AS HELL can do for Sonic!
@comixproviderftw_02
3 жыл бұрын
Surge? Don’t you mean… Scourge? The best Sonic character ever!
@BigTgeekandgaming1997
3 жыл бұрын
As a person who is a fan of both the transformers and Sonic this was funny seeing that reference and knowing that they have the same comic book company
@zileantimekeeper7464
3 жыл бұрын
Ok so that image of jew draving is cute she can't even see over the wheel
@xsmith8475
2 ай бұрын
My first experience with idw was with angry birds and the angry birds transformers comic
@Rman94
3 жыл бұрын
I do like how "Zeti Hunt" played out except for one thing, the Deadly six still had the Moon mech at their disposal. We could've had a page or some panels showing Tails using the Tornado to take it out. As for the Deadly Six themselves they still have some of the tech Eggman left behind on the Lost Hex so like before they'll prepare for the next opportunity to strike.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Last I checked, Zazz brought it with him to Sonic's world; and it wasn't shown to be given back to him when they were forced to board the rocket. Also, we don't know precisely how much they know about tech. Yes, they can control robots, and they tried to turn Tails into one; but when have they ever constructed anything themselves? None of the Zeti seem to be tech wizards, correct me if I'm wrong.
@Rman94
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer The Deadly six still had the Moon mech with them in Zeti hunt part 1/issue: 41 when they all regrouped, though we don't see again after that when they attack Restoration HQ in issues 42 and we didn't see it destroyed by anyone. I'm guessing the writers might've forgot about it somehow. As for the EGG tech, they were using the computers Eggman left behind on the lost Hex before Dr. Starline brought them down to Sonic's world back during the metal virus arc.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rman94 Yes; regardless, even if he DID bring it with him to the Restoration HQ, I doubt the heroes would have let Zazz near it after beating him. Besides, it didn't look like there was enough room on the Rocket for it anyway. As for the latter, if you say so; but again, have they ever built anything? Can they reconstruct the rocket that they arrived on? Can they build something more effective, like a warship? In short, is there a tech genius among the six of them? Eggman tech has been shown to be difficult for even Tails to decipher; do any of the Deadly Six have an IQ to match Eggman, Tails, or even Starline? Btw, which of them were actually using the computers?
@Rman94
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer I mean't that Zazz would've had the Moon mech cause havoc on the outside of Restoration HQ(and to hold off any one else trying to get in like Sonic) while the deadly six raided Restoration HQ, though like I said the writers must've forgot to include the Moon mech after Zeti hunt part 1 due to issues on their end. As for the "latter" I meant that the Deadly six would learn from their defeats and if they get brought back in the future they'd most likely get stronger either by tech and or training, and it was Zor(goth one) who used the computers on lost Hex since they were still connected to the EGGNET. You can watch Megabeatman's past IDW Sonic reviews or read the comic your self to check.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rman94 Well, I was saying that regardless of whether or not Zazz brought the Moon Mech with him to the Restoration HQ, he wouldn't have been able to take it back to Lost Hex with him either way. If he didn't bring it with him to the HQ, then he left it behind. If he did bring it, then the heroes obviously didn't give it back to him; that'd be like giving the Joker a gun before handing him over to the police. So, I think it's safe to say that Zazz currently doesn't have the Moon Mech with him. *snrk* I had a feeling it was Zor. I knew it couldn't be Zazz, Zomom, or Zeena. Zazz would rip it apart the second he hits a stumbling block; Zomom is stupid and would be more likely to eat it than anything else; and Zeena tries to avoid lifting a finger as much as possible. As for Zavok and Zik, they're more about leading, counseling, and warring. I'm not sure if Zor has an IQ to rival that of Eggman, Tails, and Starline; but none of the others seem suited for the tech genius role, so I guess it would default to him. As for them learning; yes, they can learn. Hopefully for us, they won't be back for at least another 12-20 issues.
@SonicMania2099
3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who sees Belle's backstory being kicked out of Windmill Village as a node to Pre-Reboot Archie? Seriously! Belle being accused as a spy for Eggman by the villagers is similar to the Robians being accused as sleeper agents for Robotnik by the Knothole citizens
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Wait! Wasn't Robotnik dead by then?
@SonicMania2099
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer Yes! But if you seen Archie Sonic Issue 22 or seen MegaBeatMan's review on it, you'll know that Robotnik has a fail safe plan if anything happens to him, and to the villagers, the Robians could have been another fail safe, especially when the Robian Peacock was found near Robotnik's lair
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@SonicMania2099 A fail safe for what?
@SonicMania2099
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer If anything happens to Robobtnik, his robot army will make destroy everything. Check out MegaBeatMan''s review on Archie Sonic Issue 22 is see the details
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@SonicMania2099 Pfft! Typical Eggman/Robotnik. If he can't have the world, no one can; that's his outlook.
@kieranwrightstone2199
3 жыл бұрын
2:40 …Okay that is a good name.
@mysteriouslymysterious316
3 жыл бұрын
1:36 I wonder if The Joker can make Sonic abandon his principles.
@rynobehnke8289
3 жыл бұрын
The general problem here is that "not killing" was never one of Sonic's principles and as this does has the games as its backstory did Sonic already kill King Arthur, Biolizard, a bunch of Black Arms aliens, Got Elise to kill Solaris, did the next best think to killing Erazor as he is immortal and can't be killed (sealing him in a lamp and than throwing the lamp into a volcano) and he did kill his own Robotic son in the time of need in Sonic battle (Emerl).
@DLxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@rynobehnke8289 Not to mention the innumerable amount of times he's killed Metal Sonic (the most egregious being in Generations), or the fact that he litterally killed the Deadly Six at the end of Lost World!! People forget that he beat them down so badly, they litterally shattered into _dust_ when each of them were defeated (and Zavok was forced into LAVA). It makes absolutely zero sense for him not kill those same people here. HOW are the D6 even back in the first place? Cause I promise you, they _were_ dead. Heck, he was litterally seconds away from killing BELLE when they first met, had Tails not intervened.
@rynobehnke8289
3 жыл бұрын
@@DLxxx For the Zeti well there Lost world played by Mario rules and Death just doesn't exist no matter how dead something looks. Or the 3ds version is the canon version as in them do the Deadly 6 all escape after being defeated. As for Belle yes you are right he was totally about to demolish her (but I guess she and Metal don't count because there are Machines )
@DLxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@rynobehnke8289 @Ryno Behnke But remember, Lost World was constantly trying to have a "dark tone" the whole story, even if it was tonally warped. They explicitly made a big deal out of Amy and Knuckles dying on screen, and tried to make Tails turning into a robot as grim as possible. Why _wouldn't_ the same logic apply to the Zeti (aside from picking and choosing when the things we see are an accurate depiction of what happens)? Oh, the Zeti escaped in the 3DS version? In that case, yeah, I guess you could just say that version is what's cannon to the IDW comic (though that still doesn't erase all the other enemies he's killed without hesitation). The irony is that Sonic was initially rude, dismissive, and untrusted of Belle because of what happened with Metal and Mr Tinker in the past. That's likely even the reason he was so eager to tear her apart on a seconds notice. Yet he talks about "not abandoning his principles out of fear" in this issue, which seems to directly conflict with how he acted earlier in the comic.
@darrylh1971
3 жыл бұрын
Could IDW hint of a Sonic/Transformers crossover miniseries for 2022 or 2023? IDW isn't planning what I was still hoping - A Sonic/My Little Pony crossover miniseries.
@cyberprime9355
3 жыл бұрын
I understand it has been a while since I posted anything, but here we go. This issue was nice to cap off the arc and set up for the future. It was nice to know why Sonic wasn't willing to terminate the D6 or Mr. Tinker because he won't left his prinicples fall by the wayside out of fear. While I don't agree with this, I can understand his answer. As for the meat and potatoes of this, I was very sympathetic for Belle; falsely accused of being a spy when she was nothing but helpful to them. But considering Tinker and Eggman were the same person, Belle was an easy scapegoat after the Metal Virus. Belle, as we know, wasn't successful in swaying Eggman back to Tinker. Much to her, and personally my, heartbreak. At least we now understand why Belle was needed, to replicate emotions for Surge and Kit. The Chaotix were the golden boys of this issue, actively rescuing and in Vector's case, offering comfort to mentally broken Belle, reminding her that her friends at Restoration are worried sick for her. I LOVED that scene. Well done, writers. Well Done Indeed. As Expected, the Zeti swear revenge and plan to adapt to the small setback, but we won't see them for LONG time. And I am okay with that. Also, as a fanboy moment, I LOVED the little Transformers Easter Eggs in this, specifically the Matrix. I thought that was wonderful. Likewise, I personally hope both Sonic and Transformers crossover. I want that so bad. ( PLEASE Make it happen, SEGA and Hasbro) Bottom Line, I enjoyed this for what it was, and look forward to the future. Judging by the miniseries and 3 part Trial by Fire, This Battle for the Empire is between Starline and Eggman, and the Restoration has to either pick a side, or engage in damage control
@Someguyhere111
3 жыл бұрын
I wanna hug Belle :( Also, nice to see Vector's dad side
@ConnorGarrett
3 жыл бұрын
Now i want a sonic and transformers Crossover
@rynobehnke8289
3 жыл бұрын
I don't have much to say about this issue as its mostly down to 2 issues I have, 2 nitpick and lots of praise for the artwork because of his expressive everyone is. This is mostly down to most of the issue being more setup for Imposter Syndrom and a recap of the Mister Tinker story. So lets start with the big ones. By this point one think is clear I HATE STARLINE. What at first seam to be an interesting new villain has been given so many freebies by the writers by now that he is just one world conquest far away from being a villain-stu. Just a little Recap what the guy got all away with and what for powers he was handed: - Stealing a really Big Eggman base without Eggman ever noting it - Him getting alive and with no negative consequences out of bad guys when the end of Issue 3 made his survival in Issue 4 impossible - A Hypnosie devise strong enough to work on a character like Rouge the bad - Poison and electric spikes that can disable Robot and kill organics in 2 hits - A object he build out of energy cores that Eggman can mass produce that makes him fast as Sonic, strong as Knuckles and agile as Tails which together was enough to beat Shaodow and the Team Chaotix. I REPEAT HE BUILD IT OUT OF STUFF EGGMAN CAN EASILY MASSPRODUCE WHERE WAS THIS STUFF IN FORCES! - Even in defeat getting a DNA sample from Tails which he had no reason to get from where he was as Tails for prior for a long time on a completely different location - Despite being on his own in a really big world finding the secret entrance to the Restauration HQ somehow and not even getting punished for going in it like an idiot because the Zeti's just so happen to attack at the exact same time as he walks in there. - Getting everything he wants with no consequences AGAIN this issue. Seriously the amount of stuff Starline was given ranges from Okay to completely over power for what it is/how it was made/how easily accessible it is. And he despite being overconfident, one his own most of the time and without his devices relatively weak gets away with so SO much without ever suffering any consequences. He doesn't even get the cartoony explosion in his face stuff Eggman gets after his boss fights. AND WHY because Ian wants to build to a very specific story that requires Starline to have all of these resources and can't be asked to write a story that naturally leads to it and instead just hands the guy everything on a Silver plate no matter how many times it should have killed him already. The other Big problem I have is Sonic's moral because Ian really wants to push a "Sonic doesn't kill" moral on to him to justify having a rogue gallery and the problem is that the games that are canon to these comics have Sonic kill quite some times especially with really pure evil beings does Sonic usually not fear to kill. Pretty self explanatory really. My 2 nitpics that I properly wouldn't even mention if it wasn't for the 2 big ones are that there is no explanation given how the Chaotix tracked Starline down so fast which is really silly. And that I really have to ask were the hell was Belle when Rough and Tumble attacked the village? As Tinker was already Eggman again by this point must she already have existed and as she stayed with the towns people until after the Metal Virus arc concluded do I really have to ask were was she in that Story as all towns people were imprisoned by the Skunk brothers. So to say at leas 1 nice thing beside pointing out how great the art work especially the facial expressions are these time around. I like how Vector conforts Belle at the end not just because its funny but also because its totally in character for Vector to do with the best example from the games for this being the Semi-Hero Hero ending of Shadow's game were he gets depressed and Vector tries to help Shadow.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Hehe, for once, none of your criticisms really bother me that much; I actually find all of them either legit or understandable. Although, I will say this; hey, at least in previous instances, Starline didn't get off with what he needed without something going horribly wrong for him. I mean; let's recap. He bungled with the Deadly Six and had the Warp Topaz taken from him by Eggman as punishment (served him right too for his arrogance); he got outsmarted by half his team in Bad Guys because of his careless and almost got killed after all of them turned on him; finally, he essential punched himself in the face with an avalanche he triggered and was the only one to get harmed by it (even the chateau withstood it). This issue here is the first time he got away without much of a penalty. Still, I can kinda understand where you are coming from; but really, he's more or less been getting a bone thrown his way. If you want an example of a villain getting victory served on a silver platter, check out Darkseid in Justice League Dark: Apokolips War.
@alimowla3204
3 жыл бұрын
don't have much to add, i already joked a lot about this stuff before in previous videos so.... on the subject of surge and kit, have you noticed their respective powers don't mesh at all with each other/can get the other killed? this is actually a subliminal message form ian flynn, it roughly translates to "stop shipping sonic and tails you sick fuccs!" pretty sure that's what it means. and personally, i don't have an issue with sonic's morals, him killing everyone else except for eggman is stupid beyond belief and horrible writing anyway, i don't like his behavior in either secret rings or black knight in regards to dealing with the villain, biolizard and black doom (and solaris) are all easily justifiable and reasonable kills, so i'm okay with this. she was probably in hiding, before meeting sonic and tails she came off as more of a pacifist than anything else. eh, i don't agree, "wait! don't go there yet, you could be......................................................................................................................" doesn't really work for me. so, since there's not a lot to talk about, let's try and finish our previous conversation and hope youtube isn't a dicc anymore. Your comment *numbers added by me to minimize confusion.* “1) I get your point just seeing Sonic and friends as balls during all there fights gets boring real fast but you properly shouldn't say balls are boring to look at to a soccer fan they tend to take very unkindly to such thinks. 2) Given Ian's love for the spin ball doesn't this seam like the kinda reason he would envision for the deadly six to hold them self back. 3) Which is EXACTLY why he last issues dashed off like a maniac with a way more serious expression than towards Eggman while his evil Virus was killing everything /s 4) Says WHO? He put Vanilla X Vector from Sonic X into the Comics. If he can do that that should a Colors Tie in which would even in Sega own financial interest to hype up Colors Ultimate even more be certainly possible. 5) I mean its really mostly because Colors was designed aimed at General Nintendo fans, do to Sonic's looks are most professional reviews on him from there Nintendo department which inherently like a Mario style platformer more than a Sonic styled one and therefore does Colors automatically get a much better ranking. On top of these is especially in the professional stage the idea that a Cartoon shouldn't take it self serious very pervasive leading to Sonic games with technically worse stories in both writing and value for children to be rated higher than ones with more serious stories with better messages for Children on these principles alone. (also my talk about meaning for children doesn't come from nothing I actually have somewhat of an education in child raising) It's actual stage design is as I said mostly mediocre average of the genre and its controls are way to imprecise to work properly in many of its more platform heavy stages. Also fun fact about Colors did you know that the Meta Critics Score for Colors Ds was always better than the one for Colors WII. 6) Just to bad that many moders already question if there should bother with Colors Ultimate as its so unstable. 7) Well I guess that even if I have seen smiles just to often on evil characters before as that I want to already make such a judgement. But I do want to note that's total BS on KZitem's side that you can link me to a twitter post and nothing happened but when I try does the platform auto deletes it. 8) I guess we have to wait and see what ChaosX has planed. By the way did you just see gamplay or were you able to actually play the game this time your self? 9) It certainly was but I would say the end result was worth the hassle to put it all together. I wounder how much faster there would have cranked out that 1.04 update if there actually had Switches explode.” My comment “1) ehem, football! not soccer, i'm not gonna appease americans by using their stoopid name for football, also i don't care about football anyway, so fucc 'em. 2) possibly 3) absolutely! 4) says me, I’m emperor Flynn’s apprentice, also because there's actually a demand for vanilla x vector, there's unfortunately no demand for interesting fight scenes. 5) i'm not talking about why colors was a success, i'm talking about why it happened in the first place, it happened, because the dark age games were mostly garbage. see, a story with meaning is all well and good, but a story also needs to be well written for that meaning to actually be worthwhile. "Also fun fact about Colors did you know that the Meta Critics Score for Colors Ds was always better than the one for Colors WII." just the way god intended. 6) i wasn't talking about modders fixing the bugs, i was more so speaking about physics and control fixes, maybe some slightly altered level design with more 3D, the boost being more like generations/unleashed, the wisps being more like DS, the acts being seamlessly connected to each other, those kinda fixes. 7) yea, i guess we should just wait and see what they're really about. "But I do want to note that's total BS on KZitem's side that you can link me to a twitter post and nothing happened but when I try does the platform auto deletes it." commenting on youtube is pain. 8) nope, i don't have a PC, nor do i want to use my laptop for gaming, but i do intend on getting a PC (or maybe that steamdeck thingy if it turns out good) at some point, for the express purpose of using mods (for existing games), emulation, and playing fangames. 9) great to hear. day 3 patch probably.”
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
I have a question for either or both of you. I'd point out the panel, but Megabeatman didn't include it in this review; so I'll just explain it. When Jewel said the Chaotix hadn't reported in and Sonic said he was sure they were fine, did either of you think that Tails looked a little doubtful in the panel where Sonic replies to Jewel? Y'know, as if he was having second thoughts on this whole mercy one the enemy thing and that Sonic might very well be getting too overconfident?
@rynobehnke8289
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer So I looked up the page you were talking about and while I can see how you got the impression so did Tails on that page coupled with the context and what he says seams more like he is worried about Sonic and Belle's well being in the light of her Kidnapping. If there is any moment were Tails looks like he much rather just strangle the Zeti so would it be the one in which he explains to the Zeti what's happening to them.
@alimowla3204
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer yea, pretty much what ryno said, it's probably more a look of concern than having second thoughts about sonic being merciful.
@malachijohnson3894
2 жыл бұрын
Belle and whisper would be good friends
@andresmarrero8666
3 жыл бұрын
Tinkerus Prime could be a triple changer, so she can transform into a bat and a wagon.
@talithacumiferguson8834
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else want a Sonic/Transformers crossover?
@purehyper124
2 жыл бұрын
The metal vires was drag on so long. And the residence of windmill village never mentioned Bell.
@djdarkskinss6415
3 жыл бұрын
I mean if sonic break his principle would he kill a villian?
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, in Lost World, he knocked each of the Zeti into the lava, right?
@DLxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer No, he just knocked Zavok into the lava specifically (he still killed him in that act, of course). He straight up murdered the others with his bare hands though, and beat them down so badly they shattered into dust. Killing has NEVER been against Sonic's principles. He freaking killed EMERYL, despite effectively being his surrogate little brother/son, and almost killed Belle earlier in this _same comic!_
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@DLxxx Didn't Zor fall toward the lava saying he "...longed for death's cold embrace."?
@DLxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer Yeah, lol. I just remembered that after I posted that reply 😆 Either way, point is that he's had zero issues with killing his enemies in the past, and the idea of him suddenly sparing the Zeti (after they previously killed Amy, Knuckles, and presumably everyone else who lived on the planet at the time) is just bizzare.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@DLxxx Yeah, Elder Scruffy must have infected Sonic with stupidity. Still, I've said it before, and I'll say it again; at least he's doing SOMETHING about the Deadly Six, unlike he did with Eggman and Metal Sonic.
@alialbannay6707
3 жыл бұрын
We need a transformers crossover2:27
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
I admit, it would be cool to see Sonic battle Megatron. Megatron: Hahahahahaha! You're just as foolish as Prime, hedgehog; perhaps even more so!
@darrylh1971
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer What about a Sonic/My Little Pony crossover miniseries?
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@darrylh1971 Brrreeeeep! Brrreeeeep! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! Suggestion to canonize StH/MLP fanfiction detected! Batten down the hatches! Seal all entrances! Be on guard! Battlestations, people! Battlestations! Hup, hup, hup, hup, hup, hup, hup!
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@darrylh1971 *snrk* Sorry, in all seriousness; I do think the fact people like to make crossovers between the two is pretty odd; but I seriously think there would be people who would groan at it much more than me. For this reason, I think it's probably for the best that IDW doesn't go there.
@alimowla3204
3 жыл бұрын
i like how sonic agonizes about letting mr tinker live, even though it was justified, but has no reaction to just, letting eggman walk away after coming back from blaze's world, wherein there was no good reason for him to do that, like he didn't even have amnesia at that point, i guess ian flynn just wants us to forget that one part. in this issue zavok says that him and the other zeti took on a conquest far greater than any zeti dared undertake, and man, this just annoys me, not because it's an issue with the comic, i just hate how sonic team introduce the zeti and promptly don't expand on their origins, like why are there only six zetis left? are the rest in hibernation? cryo-sleep? killed off? like come on. that rant aside, decent issue.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Barely, if not hardly, if you ask me. Honestly, I'm under the impression, since Zavok referred to the Deadly Six as his "pack", that their were once several Zeti packs that were like rival tribes to each other; and the Deadly Six have, by this time, managed to kill all of the other Zeti packs, thus making them the only ones left.
@alimowla3204
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer in what regard? ian wanting us to forget or sonic agonizing about mr tinker? yea, that's sorta what i assume as well, still, would be nice to get some confirmation.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@alimowla3204 I was referring to Sonic being "justified". I mean, he didn't have to kill him; but amnesia shouldn't excuse Eggman from being held accountable for his crimes! Literally everyone one the planet is a witness to and victim of them! Yeah, I can respect that.
@alimowla3204
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer hmm, fair enough i suppose, still, shadow and espio were out to kill tinker instead of just trying to send him to jail or have him do some kinda community service, so i'd say sonic was totally justified in not letting that happen, especially since mr tinker seems like the kinda guy to try and make up for his past mistakes.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@alimowla3204 Seemed like it, but he wasn't. He didn't do so of his own freewill; he was basically no better than he would be if he was under mind control and forced to be happy and nice. To be fair, we don't know for certain if Espio wanted to kill him. I mean, he simply said justice must be done and later, that they should have "dealt" with him. "Dealt" could have meant a number of things, considering that Sonic basically said to do nothing.
@stg4theglitchog768
3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of making a character for the IDW Sonic comics.
@johnremizeztomilloso158
3 жыл бұрын
6:54 wait just a sec!? A female reincarnation of "Scourge the hedgehog" to "Serge the tenryk" Hmm!? Edit: Wow I'm crying... because Scourge is my favourite Archie Sonic character! Edit dos: She's now a female in IDW Sonic!
@KavinCatastrophe
3 жыл бұрын
Idw Artist and writers just love drawing Females for some reason. I think it because they can be more unique with the Clothing
@HeenaScribbles
3 жыл бұрын
@@KavinCatastrophe Also cuz there's not as many girl characters in comparison to the guys
@KavinCatastrophe
3 жыл бұрын
@@HeenaScribbles Well that clearly Not True Anymore.
@darrylh1971
3 жыл бұрын
It's Tennec - There was a Tennec before named Gold in the last few years of Archie Sonic comics.
@HeenaScribbles
3 жыл бұрын
@@KavinCatastrophe I doubt that. Just because there's a bunch more new girl characters being created in IDW than guys there's still a lot more main characters that are guys. Not saying that it has to be 50/50 or anything but I like how there's a bunch of new female characters who aren't typically girly in the Sonic Universe now
@Grey8270
2 жыл бұрын
Honeycomb
@raptorzeraora2632
3 жыл бұрын
Wait, her name is pronounced bell? I thought it was pronounced bellie or something
@59rlmccormack
3 жыл бұрын
This issue was sweetly written, Ian Flynn ran into zero roadblocks while writing the final bit of this four parter. As for the Zeti returning, its kinda unlikely since SEGA will soon be doing a soft reboot of the games in 2022 and games like Lost World might get retconned out of existence, leading to the Deadly Six being taken off the table entirely. Sonic’s future is getting more intriguing by the month. Whatever is coming soon, we should be thankful that the blue blur is stronger than ever.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
Umm... what?! ',:\
@DLxxx
3 жыл бұрын
I... genuinely don't see where you're coming from here 😅 Also, what's this about a soft reboot???
@hydrocityshark
3 жыл бұрын
I doubt that Sega is willing to reboot the games. Every time they have it hasn’t ended well.
@videogollumer
3 жыл бұрын
@@hydrocityshark Every time meaning... once?
@hydrocityshark
3 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer From what I know Sega has rebooted the series in two attempts. The first was the soft reboot of’06 which tried to make the series more realistic and dark. The second is Sonic Boom, made to appeal to U.S. audiences, but became a spin-off because of how unsuccessful Rise of Lyric was.
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