I didn't expect such a high quality video from a guy with 55 subs. Great job.
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@zeco_vlog
Жыл бұрын
Hi! Awesome video! But I would advice using splitters with input and direct output in front and second output in the back. Like ART S8 3way. Yes its more expensive but makes your kit cleaner and wont require keeping all wires for FOH hanging out of the rack. Cutting the hole in the XR18s rack mount will make it easier for cable management especially for those racks where you will have to leave one unit empty for cables and you wont need to take out behringer from the rack to change cables. OR just put xr18 with its inputs inside the rack. XR18 does not have any faders/buttons/triggers on it that are crucial on the stage
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for info, as the splitter is only occasionally used, I have gone over to a 0.25m 8way to db25, and plug in the other side of the db25 when needed which is much better. I also use an X32 rack which has inputs on back. Thanks for sharing your advice - all useful to others building racks
@dufcapers
10 ай бұрын
Ohhh, cutting a hole in the fins of the XR18 is an inspired idea! I'm trying to adjust how my system works because it's a pain running all the cables every show - currently I use 2 6U soft bags and have to cable it all up for each show. The split snake I bought is a floor box so there's no way to leave that plugged up. Looking at a new 14U rolling rack w/rack mount splitters and all of it contained and hooked up. When running a show with my own sound, just plug in mic inputs like normal. When running IEMs only - allow house tech to plug directly into my rig and hand him (marked) tail. Should work a lot more efficiently and cut down on set-up time by 15-30m. Only problem is how to get a 14/16U rolling rack up/down stairs. Does a hand-truck work OK for that? I'm getting too old to just
@markhenri1131
8 ай бұрын
PSA tip here-when using a single screw to hold your rack component in place, use the lower hole. Less likely to damage the ear.
@tmmmusicstudio
8 ай бұрын
Thank you
@AdamWhiteAcupuncture
Жыл бұрын
The Midas DN4816-O makes the splitter unnecessary. Use the ultranet out from the mixer to the DN4816, which requires one shielded CAT cable and provides 16 XLR outs.
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Indeed it does. Very good point. I don’t think this was available at the time I built the rack, but it is something I have looked at, thanks. I also use my split now for a backup mixer - connected with xlr to db25 at the splitter, and then a db25 to mixer pre connected, so I just have to plug in. I also have a separate db25 to xlr for connecting to a managed PA if needed. If the DN4816 is used, if the mixer failed, it would not work…. I always like a backup plan!
@raijuventus
Жыл бұрын
But the costs is 4x over the splitter
@DavidMacVicar
Жыл бұрын
Can you explain how this makes a splitter unnecessary? I don't understand. Thanks!
@AdamWhiteAcupuncture
Жыл бұрын
@@DavidMacVicar Midas DN4816-O: this takes the ethernet cable out from the Midas and converts it to 16 channels of XLR in a separate rack box.
@phillosopherguitarist2673
Жыл бұрын
That intro song is amazing!
@ericdano
Жыл бұрын
I'd ditch the splitters and get a Midas DN4816-O box. It would mirror channels 1-16 (or whatever) on Ultranet for FoH.
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Yep I have looked at that - just a cost issue as it is a few hundred pounds, which I have not got at present! It is a great solution though. The splitter also protects the x32 sockets from damage as well…
@lighthouse2503
2 жыл бұрын
you have a great channel.. tx for the video
@rod82921
2 жыл бұрын
Great rack!!!! please, can you share what are the specifications of the rack you use?, inside width, height, depth and lid depth.
@dufcapers
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this - your vid, and this comment section have given me all sorts of ideas!
@AndySimmonsOfficial
3 жыл бұрын
Cool video! 🤘🏼Very entertaining and informative
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks
@jurefakin6071
7 ай бұрын
Hi, nice video, it gave me quite a few ideas for my own rack case. Just one question how did you attach wireless router to the top of the IEM transmitter?
@tmmmusicstudio
7 ай бұрын
I use strong super strength velcro from amazon. There are probably more elegant and technological solutions… its not fallen off yet amzn.eu/d/dBFHnkL
@syaz4380
Жыл бұрын
Switchcraft makes some loe profile xlr connectors if i remember correctly. I think they would look neater
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Ill take a look at them, thanks 👍
@syaz4380
Жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio however i think that they can only fit like those thinner balanced cables. Like example the Canare L2B2AT or something similar. Just a thinner balanced cable
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Ill look them up
@codylieske3444
14 күн бұрын
Do the screws have nuts behind them or do they just screw in and stay put? I'm trying to build my own iem rig but duct realize he tech savvy one must be to build one
@tmmmusicstudio
12 күн бұрын
Depends on the rack case. The “gator” style ABS have screws that have a threaded hole. Some racks (often the heavier wooden and metal ones) have a square hole on the rack where a nut springed holder is placed and the screw goes into that. The benefit of the second approach is that if something gets cross threaded, it can be replaced. In the non nut version - if cross threaded that hole is now unusable. The drawback of the nut (second) approach is that they can be VERY fiddly to place! Hope that helps!
@DrummClem
Жыл бұрын
Hey ! Thanks for the video ! Very nice since I am looking into building a similar system. Quick question: can you plug all these standard XLR and stille close the rack flawlessly? We would like to have kind of a set and forget approach.
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the XLRs that plug into the mixer stay plugged in, and the case front closes fine. I have revised the rack now with an X32 Rack and P-16 units, so have a look at that video too!
@DrummClem
Жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio that is over our budget but if I happen to win the lottery...😊
@MONITOSPISANDOPUCHOS
2 жыл бұрын
Excelente! We have the XR18 !
@tanshaomala
Жыл бұрын
Hi, I had a look on ebay at the power strip that you're using. Is it possible to flip the rack ears so that the power outlets are facing the interior of the rack?
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not. Its a fairly cheap unit that provides surge protection only, and the rack ears are fixed. You might be able to mount it on the inside of a very thin rack shelf, as it is only 7 or 8 cm wide. I have it facing outwards as I plug the Artnet light interface and laptop into it at the gig.
@tanshaomala
Жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio Thanks a lot for the info!
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Just had a look on ebay. Mine is a metal frame which goes along the whole strip, but there are some that look like there are rack ears that could be reversed. Mine is poss 7 years old, so probably not available now
@SeventhAeon
3 жыл бұрын
Gear list and links would have been greatly appreciated!
@phildrummer98765drums
3 жыл бұрын
A very good idea, i will attempt to compile
@quevivalitfibatribute404
2 жыл бұрын
Good brief video Man!!!..could you share what model is this rack? tnx
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
It is a rack off of ebay. Its trojan, from studiospares, but gator, pulse and others do identical. 6 unit shallow
@realSeanMcMahon
Жыл бұрын
What is that rack with wheels and where do we find it!
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
www.studiospares.com/racks-and-cases/cases/cases-rack/abs-wheeled-rack-flight-case-by-trojan-pro-6u-2u-8u-2u.htm Gator also make a similar version.
@PrisvanieStepan
Жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio Thank you for the link! I were looking for this link in the description :) + and also that that is u6. I last try was to read all the comments ) and finally ) I found ) Thank you a lot. I just bought one.
@mati_arts
2 жыл бұрын
hi, great video! it is exactly what i want to build with my behringer xr18 for IEM for rehearsals and smaller gigs! one question - how do you plug in the keys into the splitter? is it 2x jack from keboard into some kind of DI Box -> xlr to splitter? i wuld like to use 17/18 inputs on behringer for keys, do you think it's possible?
@phildrummer98765drums
2 жыл бұрын
Yes we use just a normal DI box
@Dutch-Metal-Singer
5 ай бұрын
Question. We have the xr 18 and 1 splitter this one we have. But we loss a lot of db in our in ears what do we do wrong😢
@tmmmusicstudio
5 ай бұрын
Difficult to say without looking in person. Make sure the input gain on the mixer is at a good level, set to 0db (although some people will set at -6), and then have a good signal that is green on the meter and only occasionally peaks into yellow. I assume your in ears are fed through a bus, so just make sure the levels to the buss are good. Are you using cables to a headphone amp, or to a wireless box. The headphone side needs to be active to amplify the line level signal (I know its obvious but just checking), some wireless in ears will also have a gain knob you can turn up. Use good cables. They dont need to be mega expensive - for live stuff I use visiosound or stagg, cheap but good quality. Hope this helps. Also splitter does have ground lift and link buttons - make sure these are off unless you want them on…
@DavidMacVicar
Жыл бұрын
On the Behringer splitter (MS8000) which output goes to XR18 and which output goes to FOH?
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
The link connection goes to the rack mixer so that 48v phantom (for DI box and drum overhead condenser mic) can be controlled from mixer, and the transformer side split goes to the cable for passing to a FoH PA, or we would also use it for our backup mixer… Thanks
@DavidMacVicar
11 ай бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio thank you - in reading the MS8000 manual, I found that part confusing. What about the warning here: "WARNING! Be careful when using phantom power on linked channels. If two linked channels both have phantom power sources connected to their respective LINK OUT XLR jacks, phantom-powered mics or DI boxes may receive too much current." I don't think we will be using the link function in a traditional in ear mixer setup as we need 1:1 inputs/outputs for all the different instruments. Any information you can provide would be of great help! THNX!
@tmmmusicstudio
11 ай бұрын
@DavidMacVicar did not see that but seems reasonable if linked, however I am not sure of a practical use of the channel linking. I’ll dig out the manual and take a look - thanks
@MauroDoninibrotherjake
Жыл бұрын
I did not understand the purpose of the splitters...sorry. Can't we go from the mixer AUX directly into each IEM device? What am I missing?
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
No worries, the splitter is so that a duplicate of the signals can be fed to a front of house desk if playing a larger gig with engineered PA. This allows the band to retain control of in ear mix. Apologies if not clear from vid. A valid question though.
@GJPlays
6 ай бұрын
Have you had any issues with interference, having 3 iem transmitters and aerials in the same rack?
@tmmmusicstudio
6 ай бұрын
We have actually gone over to P-16 personal monitors now, but there was not an issue. I think there can be , and a combiner with a separate antenna is always best if you can afford it. I tried to space them i. The box as much as I could.
@GJPlays
6 ай бұрын
That's the conclusion that we have come to, that we need to go with a combiner and antenna - how are the P-16s?@@tmmmusicstudio
@tmmmusicstudio
6 ай бұрын
Superb. Just superb. Both bands i play with use them. I use them for theatre pit stuff i do, and I have a P-16i and two in the studio too. They are great
@darrylportelli
2 жыл бұрын
Just what i needed , cheers ... Any idea the case model please? .. cheers
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
It was off ebay. Pretty sure its a pulse 6u narrow. But identical to gator and trojan.
@pedrobrandao7432
Жыл бұрын
I can’t find any shallow 6u cases with wheels anywhere in the internet. Did you add those wheels ?
@phildrummer98765drums
Жыл бұрын
@@pedrobrandao7432 the rack I took the gear out of was shallow, the one I put it into (with wheels) was a standard rack.
@paulofitas4203
3 жыл бұрын
Great video... very inspiring . Are you using 16 singular XLR cables for the FOH connection? It does not look like a multikabel...Thanks
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, its just what I had handy, but will probably replace it with a short multi cable at some point
@craigvittorio1865
2 жыл бұрын
Are the ears getting stereo or mono mixes?
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
Mono, but they are capable of taking stereo
@jonathanotrujillo
Жыл бұрын
What about phantom power, is there an issue with it? the splitter passes the current?
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Most (or many) splitters work by having a true wired link and a second transformer link. As long as your mixer or source of phantom power is on the true link, then it passes. So when we play in a venue with a managed PA we give the PA the transformer split, and control the phantom power ourselves. Hope this helps.
@jeffclark1164
2 жыл бұрын
Can you please explain how you managed the antenna connections from the IEM wireless units and the the router? Do you have them all going to that one big antenna on the front?
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
They were all spaced as far apart as possible but all had their own antenna. I think a combiner is a great option but more cost
@dufcapers
10 ай бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudioYou're not kidding more cost. I hadn't heard of these before you just mentioned it - $800 gets you about the cheapest on the market it seems. Costly, but what a space-saver. I think I'll just continue to use my cobbled together antenna wiring.
@emersontanakamotion
Жыл бұрын
Which router do you use? is it has a good range? great video!
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
The router is an old apple airport express. Chosen just because it was what I had. Works well though, and fairly compact
@emersontanakamotion
Жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio thanks!
@AndyWragg
2 жыл бұрын
Great walk through. I've just ordered the X18R for my band and will at some point be looking to install it in a rack system. Question about the tray for the IEM transmitters, where did you get this as the standard rack kit is for only 1 transmitter? I have the LD Systems MEI 1000 G2 transmitter (as does my oppo) and would be looking to recreate your setup. Cheers Andy
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
It was just a short rack tray I got on ebay and the transmitters were stuck down with command strips
@bbqnw30
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. How many rack spaces you have used? 6U? I am looking at building my own as we speak.
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
Its a 6U, good luck with your build!
@bbqnw30
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate.
@pingosdesoldascomjacielcosta
3 жыл бұрын
Top IRMÃO .
@deyandzhumaliyski4281
2 жыл бұрын
Can those tbone systems have two separate mixes (dual mono setup)
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
No I dont think so. There is no panning on the receiver as far as i can tell
@daveg4236
Жыл бұрын
Would be better if you turn xr around. Less messy looking.
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Possibly true, but cables would then be visible at the back too. I have now swapped to an X32 which has all the IO at the rear.
@daveg4236
Жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio I guess depends on what is around back.
@Keefeology
3 жыл бұрын
Greetings - do you have a workaround for sending a stereo output for each of the individual Aux outs where my IEM amplifiers are connected to? I essentially just want to be able to pan different instruments on both my left and right ears. I currently use a Behringer PM-1 and all my sound comes in on the left ear which is a big mush of sound.
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
Behringer make the powerplay P1 which is a powered stereo unit. Thus it can take a stereo input. The XR18 also has ultranet output, so you can use the P-16 16 channel units, which I have just bought, and they are amazing as you can pan and eq.
@darrylday30
2 жыл бұрын
The XR18 can only do 3 stereo aux mixes: buss 1/2, buss 3/4, buss 5/6 plus the LR mix. Stereo mixes always use up two busses. If you need more than three stereo mixes (plus the LR mix) the P16 is your best option. If you just need one stereo mix, the PM1 will work fine. Note: the PM1 is great unit but it’s not designed to work from balanced aux outs. It’s designed to be a remote volume control for an unbalanced headphone output. Lucky for you, the XR18 has a headphone jack. Headphone jack… plug your PM1 into the headphone jack on the XR18 with a 1/4” TRS to XLR cable as shown in the PM1 quick start guide. You will still need a pair of busses linked in stereo on the XR18 (BUSS 5/6 for example). To get your stereo linked buss pair to the headphone jack instead of the aux outs, go the the monitor page in the app (“monitor” means headphone output on the XR18) and assign your linked stereo buss pair (BUSS 5/6 for example) as the “source” for monitor (the headphone jack). This puts your linked stereo buss pair into the headphone jack. Turn up the headphone volume control on the XR18 front panel, turn up PM1, turn up the buss (BUSS 5/6 for example) and mix. You could use a balanced aux out on the XR18 for a mono mix into the PM1 or even get a stereo mix by using two aux outs into a Y adaptor that converts the two balanced mono signals into a single unbalanced stereo stereo signal, (see the XR18 quick start guide) but just like mono, you might not have enough volume. If you really need to use the aux outs in stereo, just get a P1 and a pair of XLRs.
@3miliangui
3 жыл бұрын
Hello! Thank you for sharing your experience! I have Soundcraft UI24 and searching to buy a shallow rack 8 or 10 units. Didn't find it. Any idea? Thanks!
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
I have only seen 6U shallow. maybe look for a custom build company?
@3miliangui
3 жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio Thanks for your answer. Meantime I have built my own custom rack... :) I have put inside my mixer, two mic and guitar receivers and my guitar VOX20 amp\processor.
@realSeanMcMahon
3 жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio Nice shallow rolling rack! What make were you using in this video?
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Gator
@nivelperdido6988
2 жыл бұрын
I’m tryna buy that same case I have a XR16 would that case work?
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@kalikoura
3 жыл бұрын
Hi can you use just a normal rack mixer and not a digital one?
@phildrummer98765drums
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, however, the good thing about many of the digital mixers is the number of auxiliary outputs available to be separate mixes for different people. But some analog mixers might be adequate
@SOHCGT96
2 жыл бұрын
Digital mixer will let you do SO much more and cost about the same. But there is no reason it wouldn't work if you found a unit that has all the i/o you need. I love having gates and high pass on every channel.
@natanyofsho
3 жыл бұрын
oh wow I see an apple airport express in there. i just want to get wireless iem so I can hear my music when I am performing
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
yep an airport express. reliable, compact, and more importantly, it was lying around!
@natanyofsho
3 жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio I have one lying around also! Guess I just found a new use for it haha all this just for some wireless iem for singing
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
@@natanyofsho the reason our band is going IEM is due to us syncing lights to a click track to make a better "performance" with lights etc. I have a video in progress about this - using a package called qlab, over the ArtNet dmx protocol - all quite exciting!
@natanyofsho
3 жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio very good! 👍🏼
@davidrobert4246
2 жыл бұрын
Hi mate, Which power strip and case do you use in this video?
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
The case was bought off ebay - not labelled - but “gator” style, and the power strip is just a cheap one from ebay with surge protection only, not conditioning.
@davidrobert4246
2 жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio Sorry for the late reply. Thanks.
@christopherheadcase6886
2 жыл бұрын
How did you combine all 3 antennas into one?
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
The antennas were all separate but spaced as far apart as possible
@christopherheadcase6886
2 жыл бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio did you bend that rack bar or you can ourchase them that connect front and back
@louisstone392
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, As I am a solo act, would I only need 1 splitter?
@kylehudelson2476
2 жыл бұрын
As a solo act I wouldn't imagine you would need a system setup like this but if you did than you just need 1 channel for every mic cable you plug in. The splitters usually only come in groups of 8 so if your plugins are less than 8 channels than yes you would only need 1 splitter.
@louisstone392
2 жыл бұрын
@@kylehudelson2476 thanks, this is great! Well I have a drummer, and we run the bass tracks and click track through our in ears. We look at using my vocal mic, my guitar Stereo, kick and snare and our MacBook Pro!
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
As above, you just need to count up the number if inputs/instruments/mics. For drums, I only use 3 channels, kick, snare and an overhead, but some mic every drum and stereo overheads. We play to click and also have a cue track, which comes into the mixer via USB, but I also have a backup mac, which is there running and that has a stereo cable into ch 17/18 which is click Left and cue Right.
@deedeecobain
3 жыл бұрын
How many rack units does this case have?
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it is a 6 u - shallow, being put into a 6+2 rack (the +2 is due to the handle - which gives a very short access to a couple of units)
@theotherone6389
Жыл бұрын
How much U did this take up?
@tmmmusicstudio
Жыл бұрын
Its a 6 U case but one of the Units is slightly restricted by the concealed wheels housing and a concealed housing. So that restricted unit is used for cable passes etc
@nivelperdido6988
2 жыл бұрын
You have a link for the case?
@tmmmusicstudio
2 жыл бұрын
I bought it on ebay, but there are lots of narrow rack cases out there to choose from - Gator, Trojan (studiospares) etc
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Have you had any noise issues with the Behringer MS8000?
@tmmmusicstudio
3 жыл бұрын
no. it sounds fine. I am a big advocate of Behringer gear. it is often criticised, but I have always found it to be reliable, good quality and good build quality too
@Pinkybum
Ай бұрын
I'm using an MS8000 too and have had zero problems. One thing to note - make sure to wire the correct output to the mixer (the wired link) so you can pass phantom power to microphones - I learnt that lesson recently!
@Thiagoo0110
8 ай бұрын
link case?
@tmmmusicstudio
8 ай бұрын
Do you mean is the brand link?
@Thiagoo0110
8 ай бұрын
@@tmmmusicstudio Yes, case link please
@tmmmusicstudio
8 ай бұрын
www.studiospares.com/abs-shallow-rack-flight-case-by-trojan-pro-2u-4u-6u.htm Ive just looked and no markings. Its a good few years old but I think it was trojan. Thomann also have done similar ones.
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