Yeah, been a warlock since 2005, not planning on stopping, but its true that with all the constant reworks, certain expansions were much more fun to play than others. Pandaria and Legion were peak for me.
@Dilllll26
9 ай бұрын
Yes they need to bring back the best parts of MoP destro and Legion Affi, their ego is too big to bring back someone they kicked out the doors work tho
@syph5487
9 ай бұрын
Legion demo was the best gameplay I have ever played on any class.
@xxvb434
9 ай бұрын
Agree 100%, MoP destruction is what first got me into the class and was one of my favorite times playing it. Same with Legion affliction (liked this one even more). As it stands though with the constant reworks making specs I liked worse and worse, I just stopped playing my Warlock. Sure Demo is still not bad but, I feel give them another expansion and they will ruin that one as well.
@merox2266
9 ай бұрын
MoP Demo is just satisfaction to play i really want the metamorph back
@ryanpower1291
9 ай бұрын
At this point it just seems like their warlock designer left and now you got random designers trying to pick up the pieces and scrap something together. But that being said gor all we know warlock is next on the rework treatment that rogues, mages, paladins have all recieved. But maybe that's copiu.
@aeryluna
9 ай бұрын
MAKE 👏 CATACLYSM 👏 BASELINE 👏
@Roachehh
9 ай бұрын
And make it instant like shadow crash
@Xeanowos
6 ай бұрын
make rain base
@Sinful-Princess69
9 ай бұрын
I have said this before and I'll say it again, the ultimate fix to Affliction is to increase the duration of the DoT's, period! Such fun gameplay when Shadow Priests can Shadow Crash and lose no uptime on their DoT's or Boomkins can Moonfire + Sunfire one target and apply it to everyone without having the need to tab target each individual mob. Then you have Affliction that has to re-apply DoT's on all individual targets one at a time.
@alienzm5212
9 ай бұрын
thats not the issue bro
@Sinful-Princess69
9 ай бұрын
@@alienzm5212 What is it then bro?
@SlayAsmoe
9 ай бұрын
Sunfire spreads but moonfire doesnt. (unless something changed) You can spread corruption and the others can be extended. That being said I like individually clicking to reapplying dots. lol Dot management is the core of affliction.
@Nagassh
9 ай бұрын
@@SlayAsmoe I feel you're both half right. I don't like the drive to remove SL and I hate things like AC, dot management SHOULD be the core of affliction and the builder-spender playstyle it's moved to is dreadful imo. That said, old affliction has had things like Haunt refreshing corruption (and UA in execute iirc) since pretty early days, as well as things like SB curses to make them AOE and curses used to have a 0.5s GCD letting you multidot quicker. I don't know why all of these things have been pruned. Haunt doesn't even apply SE anymore, it's baffling. The spec requires more globals, those globals take longer to do the same thing and all of this is competing with a new builder spender system that simply wasn't a part of affliction before. It's not rocket science why that doesn't work out and affliction feels like you're running through treacle. Even in Legion when just the 0.5s GCD was religated to a pvp talent for some reason it was night and day how quick / slow the spec felt based on whether you were in a pvp tower world quest or not.
@nerzawow7929
9 ай бұрын
Affliction should be like Wotlk/Legion SL should be baseline and passive when your target as corruption and remove MAlefic rapture
@bytez3322
9 ай бұрын
I think skills like RoF, Implosion, and seed should all be baseline. It feels really bad having to change talents just to have any kind of aoe damage for like raids or world content, just use talents to make those skills more relevant
@Rob165x
9 ай бұрын
This. Shouldn't be an option to lose all your AoE to improve single target. Granted, you can get some really good ST (I do good dps for my ilvl) but no AoE on a ranged class feels bad. I end up still running Rain of Fire knowing I'm leaving dps on the table because clearing trash sucks, or even any adds on bosses. And Rain of Fire spam does feel great, they've gone down this route of making AoE too good, it used to only be good on large crowds so talenting wasn't as relevant.
@JBR7_
9 ай бұрын
Spot on but i guess that would mean blizzard would have to actualy put some thoughts into making real talents into the tree and just not fill it with half of the stuff that we use to have baseline or just flat X % increase dmg capstones
@leronbearin1603
9 ай бұрын
It seems that at some point blizzard decided that those talents in all classes should not be baseline. Warrior, hunter, rogue, dk - each class with baseline aoe in past has got their aoe moved into talents (which is expecially painful when you are leveling). I dont know why, maybe they just had a hard time creating a meaningful talent tree and decided to fill it with baseline spells to make it look more complicated than it is.
@stylishskater92
9 ай бұрын
Ret paladin have entered the chat
@Eckylis
7 ай бұрын
@@stylishskater92 I'm a ret main - We have AOE, albeit truncated, as divine storm is baseline. Hell, we even have WoA which is also an AOE ability that we always take as well.
@King88Martyn
9 ай бұрын
I do feel that Destro has been somewhat ignored this expansion compared to Demo and Aff. Would be nice to see it get some love soon. Definitely feel your pain with not having Cataclysm, esp in low keys, the DH has obliterated the entire pack before I've managed to do anything. Fire and Brimstone is an easy fix. Have RoF give your next 2 or 3 casts of Incinerate hit all targets for 50-100% of damage. Maybe even have the % of damage it does based on your mastery to make it a bit more interesting.
@Rob165x
9 ай бұрын
This is why mage feels a bit better to play sometimes. Tired of placement spells, yeah it can be nice to be able to target a spot but I would rather just throw an orb and forget it. We already have enough shit to click on. Mage spells just seems more pick your flavor rather than pick your strength. Makes me want to level my mage tbh, it was simple and satisfying. Destro now is too simple and feels choice is limited. Blink alone makes mage fun, portals are cool but requires positioning.
@krystur2072
9 ай бұрын
Bruh affli is the worst spec in expansion XD
@randomhuman19
9 ай бұрын
As main lock from vanilla, it’s sad to see what locks have become. I’ll always believe Aff is the real lock spec, but hasn’t been worth a damn in forever. Demo does not feel like lock to me. So I play destro and having hard times just getting into teen key pugs.
@caracallazjoust1028
9 ай бұрын
Feel this in my soulstone....
@bonkyouded
9 ай бұрын
one thing i think they should change to destro is to make so you can get 2 backdrafts from conflagrate again. It was a build during SL S1 and i found that build really fun and extremely mobile, it took the long casts of CB into casts of just a normal incinerate. The big difference would be that conflagrate wouldnt deal as much damage as it did during SL S1 Also just bring back metamorphosis :)
@Ink_deep
9 ай бұрын
"Look at my vile taint." Gross, dude. Anyway, I've been maining Warlock (mostly Affliction) in Wrath Classic for a while and it's a bittersweet feeling how much more cohesive and fun a 15 year old iteration of the class feels compared to present design.
@BattousaiHBr
9 ай бұрын
you were WAYY more generous with your assessment than i'd be. after trying the new rogue trees, it's actually crazy how terrible all the warlock ones are. i'd include way more talents as either useless or extremely uninspiring. the class tree in particular is horrendous with tons of dead picks. the destro tree is the least offender, but still has quite a few things to fix.
@MegAnima75
9 ай бұрын
Aff and destruction really need a huge spec rework, but yes i agree that GWD should be in the class tree for all 3. It'd be a good start !
@popojaga7312
9 ай бұрын
Shoutout for those aff changes, nicely communicated, if only it would reach devs, one can hope
@FreggeLock
9 ай бұрын
A big change, that I'd love to see is to place the baseline AoE abilities: Implosion, RoF and Seed. Many of the specs that had the reworks got the aoe spells baseline (Blizzard, Flamestrike for example). It's annoying that you can't do anything to trash packs in raid without changing talents, and would give a spot to add some talents (cata for destro in spot of rof?)
@YourLoanGuyPaul
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the work you do for the lock community!
@Highelves-ez6xl
8 ай бұрын
Can I have your gold as loan ?
@YourLoanGuyPaul
8 ай бұрын
@@Highelves-ez6xl 6.5% interest. Sure!
@slugfest513
9 ай бұрын
Demo is the only lock spec that feels modern in a way, Destro and Aff feels like a 2008 spec but worse than it was in 2008
@davidw.5984
9 ай бұрын
This!
@ShadowsOfThePast
9 ай бұрын
2nd this!
@slugfest513
9 ай бұрын
The reason is that so far this expansion Warlock had a really bad design propped up by numbers. We saw that in Season 1 when Destro was one of the highest simming specs in the game but never played because the spec just didn’t really work in a real scenario
@wladynoszhighlights5989
8 ай бұрын
In PvP solo arenas every second player is abusing warlock rn for some reason
@darkcrow42
9 ай бұрын
I've been playing Demo Warlock as my main since BFA and still find it fun to play. Thanks for your hard work!
@thodorosxanthopoulos
9 ай бұрын
My issue with demo is thus, I have to time my tyrant, Dogs, and felguard along with 10 imps to get maximum value. A mechanic making move can often mean i lose my dogs/felguard/imps which fucks my shit up. Then I summon a tyrant that doesnt hit hard thus I need to have all the previous demons up to actually do the damage. This vs say Destruction (mechanically not numerically since destro doesnt do dmg) where I pop my inferno and I start pumping, no need to be extra carefull and timing shit, i just press my button and start doing lots of damage. Same with my paladin, I pop wings and got that insta cd power. add the that the weird timing of demonoly cds, Tyrant with a minute and a half cd and felguard on a 2 minute cd, its just weird.
@philosofrenzy
9 ай бұрын
It makes me crazy that summon soulkeeper was "fixed" to be more inconvenient to use. It used to be fun being able to cast it while moving!
@whiskybob
9 ай бұрын
Of all the covenant abilities they gave us I would really LOVE to get venthyr one back in class tree. Not for damage but AoE cursing mobs would give warlocks so much more utility for M+.
@kcjgs5831
9 ай бұрын
This! Man I loved being able to apply my curses to multiple targets and having some extra bursty dps for all warlock specs, I really miss the venthyr buffs/procs as well like the haste or mastery they gave us back then even though night fae was more popular venthyr was really fun to play, meta or not
@whiskybob
9 ай бұрын
@@kcjgs5831 I don't even want the buffs, just pure curse spread. It could be a choice node between amplify curse and this. Man can you imagine poppin mass curse on thise fuck**g goblin casters in Throne of Tides? I'd cream my pants.
@izisvi
9 ай бұрын
@@deeznuttes9340 warlock is very nearly meta right now. several of the top keys done to this point include a warlock in the comp. pugging is ass regardless unless you have exceptional IO or ilvl to stand out from the throng of other dps applying to the key. It's just a numbers game, you're one out of thirty dps applying to the key.
@scrawbogen104
9 ай бұрын
GOD yes, I regret not playing venthyr during shadowlands for that ability alone. Whole bunch of other problems with playing venthyr, but that spell was so good for curse spread
@Waffle-tv7rg
9 ай бұрын
I feel you as a Monk with those capstones…. Thank you again for your tireless work for the Warlock community!
@zirelfire6723
9 ай бұрын
As a windwalker main I couldn't agree more. Our capstones are so unimpactful you barely notice using them.
@asyme9717
9 ай бұрын
Pet summon speed was designed around pvp. Unfortunately. They wanted to make losing a pet (or attacking one) a genuine penalty for the hunter or lock. But it feels terrible in PvE.
@hotpotato3311
9 ай бұрын
Its no longer that much of a punishment for Hunters. Their pet summon is like 2 seconds or something now.
@_reenzane
9 ай бұрын
This video sums up pretty well, why I left Warlock behind in DF. I want to love it, but they still havent really figured out how to design Aff (my favorite Spec), Destro just seems like a meme for anything besides mass AoE now and Demo is just not fun for Progress imo. Lets hope a rework in 11.0 fixes it and I can go back
@annaborchion9285
9 ай бұрын
i’ve mained destro since mid SL, and i’ve actually found that my single target damage DRASTICALLY outweighs my aoe in dragonflight. it definitely sucks after dominating aoe damage for so long 😭
@michaelb9683
9 ай бұрын
Personally I don't like everything revolving around demonic tyrant burst. Its super punishing and requires specific trinkets to maximize windows. A pet spec should feel like BM hunter..easier haha. I actually like the new tier bonus even though there isn't a lot of interesting synergy. Plus without weakaura it feels rough tracking all the pet cooldowns. Totally agree with the clunky factor.
@Timogrozni
9 ай бұрын
I feel like the Aff AOE issue with agony timing out could be resolved in one of a few ways. Either extend the duration of agony to 30s, lower the cd on VT to 20s, OR alternatively, reward the Aff player for maintaining the agonies by making a high stack of agony do a crap ton of damage, or maybe having it do something like a 10+ or even an 18 stack agony ticking like 30% faster (number can obviously be tuned). The spec could use a buff anyway, and I have felt like agony having to ramp up and be maintained should have been more rewarding for a long time, while feeling more punishing when you let it drop/having the type of encounter that would work against it and rewarding saving the stacks by using soul swap etc. Just my 2 cents.
@ghostfacedninja1000
9 ай бұрын
Tbf, agony is hitting pretty dam hard atm. It's 2nd behind malific rapture or seed depending on what you are doing. But yea duration extension would be good. I was also thinking that the talent that "increases stack count of agony when hit by seed" should cause agony to have an extra tick when at max, when hit by seed. That'd be pretty naughty as they tick proper hard at max.
@LeighWesleyMusic
9 ай бұрын
I feel like warlock has kinda become caught between competing juxtaposed ideas. Old class design philosophies, player familiarity and nostalgia and modern game design. The result is this mixture that I think is often awkward design choices. I don't play my warlock anymore come DF even though it was my main since BC. I would like to see them be a little braver and redesign what warlock should look like as a modern class moving forward.
@leecampbell4567
9 ай бұрын
My main problem with Demo is M+. With the insanely long setup into a 3-second Nymue's trinket channel considering the amount of movement we have just doesn't feel fun. Pre-cast power siphon > 2 x shadowbolt > grimoire > dogs > 2x shadowbolt > hand > demonbolt > hand > demonbolt > hand > tyrant > strengrh > 3 seconds trinket channel THEN you start doing damage. Half the time in 20+ keys the mobs are half/less than half health by the time I've ramped up!
@zomgpeoplestolemname
9 ай бұрын
You're too raid brain. Change your approach, with only 1 (maybe 2 if you have excess shards) hand(s) you're still going to burst 200k+ single target. Start prioritizing doom brands (especially on fort week you should have 2-3 cores w/o siphon when you start a pack naturally) on low hp targets (there's many non elite mobs that die really fast this patch), on those packs you should be topping charts. Movement as a caster is largely based on how good you are at stutter stepping not your actual movement skills (also your utilization of insta casts and your risk reward analysis).
@sobotta5658
9 ай бұрын
They changed the pet summon to 5-6 seconds was because of Warlock pet swapping on Stone Legion Generals on PTR or even live I believe. Regarding the class tree I just don't understand why Grand Warlocks Design is a capstone on all 3 specs, if any other class has that it would be going into the class tree.
@GrzyMckneezy
9 ай бұрын
This
@Ω3103ζ
9 ай бұрын
to me destro would be so easy to "fix", atleast when it comes to the multi-target/aoe based fights in mythic +. Just have your set-piece apply immolate to all nearby enemies. You have for each portal a pseudo cataclysm and dont have to worry about manually casting immolate on every enemy. idk im not a game designer but it seems to me such an easy way to make the spec way more enjoyable to play.
@Alice_Typhon
9 ай бұрын
I mained warlock from Wrath to BFA. For me personally there was just too much variance in warlocks gameplay and nerfs to continue playing it, so I swapped to DH for a more consistent style of play and could prog new raids and tiers without having to relearn the class or just sit through a nerfed state. Plus right now is peak melee patch, DH/rogue best they've been since BFA. All str melee are about to get a giga weapon any week now.
@ryanpower1291
9 ай бұрын
Some people have a hard time understanding that just because a class is one of the top classes (for range in this case) doesn't mean it has no problems. Damage can be tuned, fun however is a completely different variable. And yes of course there is fun when you are melting a boss but id rather have a undertuned fun spec than an overtuned lackluster one.
@TheXyxy2
8 ай бұрын
Even though Affliction is far from meta, I still play it because I love this spec. The problem is that Affliction keeps getting more keybinds to press every expansion. Affliction should get more "quality of life" and get more passive DoTs or off-GCD DoTs instead of more active DoTs you need to keep up. Also big problem is that all Affliction casts are shadow (except Soul Rot), so every 1 interrupt = ~4 silence every 12-15 seconds.
@meratheafflictionwarlock
9 ай бұрын
I agree with the pet summons! So many times I've just used my fel domination (mostly in M+), then I die on a boss because I was stupid, I get a CR, but then I can't summon my god damn pet because there's shit happening and I have to keep moving, and it doesn't help that I have a weakaura that screams at me and there's a big flashing button in the middle of the screen to also visually remind me that hey idiot, you need to summon and sacrifice your pet in this situation. There's rarely 6 seconds to just stand around and cast something, especially in M+. Oh yes! Soul burn feels useless to me most of the time, having it give us an instant CR (or a faster one, at least, since our CR has the longest cast time) would be amazing! So many times I've had to try to CR somebody, but again, no time to stand still to finish that fucking cast, and then when the cast goes off, I have to move because there's shit on the ground, and some people take the CR instantly and then they die because I didn't even have time to warn them about the crap on the ground and they weren't paying attention. I've also made the argument that in raids I should not be the one CRing people because the cast time is so long, at least when there's other CRs available. "We don't play affliction" I only play affliction ;_; It definitely needs some love though. Council fights have felt so fucking overwhelming in this expansion for sure, so many dots to keep up, having the main target, a focus target, and then having to target the third and fourth targets to refresh dots on them, and oh my lord if they're taken too far apart and then vile taint and soul rot won't hit all of the targets.. feels so bad. Would be nice if Siphon Life was a passive talent for sure. Agony and Vile Taint timing is so stupid atm. It feels silly having to refresh Agony so that they don't fall off, and you're soon ready to use Vile Taint again. Darkglare, looking at our last heroic Volcoross kill, it only did 2,3% of my DPS in that fight, which feels very bad for the "big" CD. In M+ I'm playing the cleave build, because the aoe build is just so bad, at least compared to melee and BM hunter aoe, and then on the bosses it sucks as well, so at least with the cleave build I can do good damage on most of the bosses. I love affliction, I just wish that they'll make it a bit smoother to play. There's so many situations where we're on a boss and before I manage to even get done with my opener, mechanics happen and I have to move around and I can't burst properly, and it's frustrating. Also in some situations I feel like I need to hold my CDs a bit to be able to help more (for example for the roots on tinder, if I don't have Vile Taint and Soul Rot for the roots, they die way too slowly in our raids).
@davidw.5984
9 ай бұрын
Thanks that you spoke about the bad QoL, clunkyness and old-schoolness for this specs! 🙏 We really need a rework to modernize this specs (also m+ utility as well).
@CoffeeTheFreshmaker
9 ай бұрын
Bring back UA as Spender, limit siphon life to one target and buff it as the "single target" dot and fix the gap between vile taint cooldown and agony duration. Also make soul swap either copy dots or make it free.
@oatfarls
9 ай бұрын
Doom into Hand of Doom would be cool, but also, they could just take this season's tier set and replace those talents with it. I know Doom is a classic ability, but anything is better than having two perma-dead talents stuck right in the middle of our spec tree forever.
@yianneats
9 ай бұрын
haha great video. I am a Destro Lock currently at 2900 rio and man what you said about Immolate is me everytime im in a key... it feel so bad to single cast immolate all the time...
@darkpitt1
9 ай бұрын
Quick reminder that warlock is in the top 4 specs played for 25+ keys and hunter was nerfed into the ground this weekend for aoe. The problem is that warlock is slow starting currently and it doesnt provide the cc that aug is providing and it can't instant burst as easy as mage. The two spots its currently competing for...
@recoomedabest9970
9 ай бұрын
This. As a hunter main hearing Kala compare cap stones and using hunter was triggering 😂 so many of them r mid or dead and we have the worse talent trees in the game
@davidw.5984
9 ай бұрын
@@recoomedabest9970 try wl and then cry
@disposableheero
9 ай бұрын
Reduce the recharge time of conflag by 3 seconds and put dimensional rift where Explosive Potential is for destro. It solves all the tier set issues and puts that mid section of the tree as "pick up whatever auxilliarry spells you want here". They all have some measure of utility, rift for movement, CDF for AoE by extending immolates, soul fire for single target when you can be stationary and soul burn when there are adds you can snipe or an emphasis on execute damage, and cata for QoL in AoE. Then take master of chaos, now on a node by itself, and have it apply to Soul Fire, Dimensional Rift, Cataclysm, and CDF as well as the shard spenders to make those spells feel really good to press Destro would feel worlds better.
@Nagassh
9 ай бұрын
Honestly pretty torn on a lot of the stuff you're pushing. Demo has been the most I've enjoyed it in a long time partly BECAUSE the CDs aren't that important, it's not that your tyrant is make or break and if you don't get a PI or if you get a mechanic and your tyrant is scuffed then you might as well afk for 3 minutes. I'm incredibly nervous about a push being made to make our CDs more relevant / adding more via capstones because it'll be "engaging" when the track record for Blizzard has been that IF warlock CDs are strong, they do nothing outside of them. I think the cap on tyrant extending pets is bad but just about everything else that was butchered has been an improvement imo, demo feels much better balanced around GFG than Tyrant imo. I can kinda understand wanting our capstones to be big and flashy but it's just a feels thing I think. Objectively it's better for us if earlier traits are the important ones since they're much easier to flex around. You don't end up in situations like destro is where it's constantly having to pick and choose between 2min infernal or incinerate actually doing damage. Strongly disagree with wanting UA to be afflictions spender too. Afflictions whole problem is that it's been turned into a builder-spender spec and there's a reason we moved away from UA stacking nonsense. Every spender they've tried to use for affliction has been dreadful. Haunt was broken. UA was broken. MR was broken. I honestly think the spec would be far nicer if the spender system was completely scrapped. Failing that I don't know if things would be improved by making MR less spammy, either by increasing the SS cost to 2 and balancing the damage appropriately or turning MR into more of a maintenance debuff so there's no / less incentive to be spamming it as a 1 shard spender that at times has put Chaos Bolt to shame. Afflictions biggest problem bar it's spender is that it's global starved. Blizzard have axed and pruned all of the dot synergies that used to be part of the class and turned the talent tree into a wasteland of damage amps. Haunt used to refresh dots and iirc refreshed MORE dots in execute, Haunt used to apply SE. Curses used to have a 0.5s GCD, we used to be able to Soulburn Curses to make them AOE etc. Why is all of this stuff gone yet Blizzard seem so creatively bankrupt that they put in UA damage amps to plug up empty talents that get pruned? All they have to do is dust off a copy of Cataclysm to see a veritable novel of things we've lost that they could re-add and instead we get the doomguard ritual unpruned. Thanks Obama. Destro's AOE is miserable. The only thing I'd add to your pining over Fire and Brimstone is that the MOP version didn't have AOE Chaosbolts iirc, making it AOE chaosbolts was a WOD addition I think. The default MOP version was far healthier I felt, but FnB worked because ROF was a builder rather than a spender. At low mobcounts ROF was required to maintain FnB, with enough targets FnB could sustain itself and felt very rewarding. I'm not sure it would feel so enjoyable with ROF in it's current state as a spender that feels like it came straight from classic. I really wish they'd just revert ROF to a builder and make our AOE talents Cataclysm and FnB, maybe with some FnB related talents - the choice nodes feel criminally underutilized. If they were worried about a toggle FnB they could let players pick between a passive one vs a toggled one with pros and cons to each. I just wish they'd look back at some previous itterations instead of reinventing the wheel. Destro was the main winner in the MOP revamp and has felt like it's been getting un-made every expansion since. Affliction felt prettymuch perfect in WOTLK / Cataclysm before it was completely reinvented as a builder-spender spec and has had issues ever since in an effort to ape destro despite the two specs having a completely polar opposite design ethos - one being a dot class and the other being a snappy direct damage burst spec. Demo felt great in WOD but that's impossible to go back to with meta and the demonic energy resource pruned. Current demo doesn't feel so bad compared to the last few itterations though. Apologise for the youtube comment essay for anyone foolish enough to read my blathering.
@grumpyolegamer
9 ай бұрын
A good by spec analysis. For every character it boils down to quality of life; damage; interrupts and utility. Warlock QoL is bad; there are a lot of nuisances within the class. Damage we are solid but only in a single spec. Our interrupt cool downs in an interrupt dependent tier feel rough. Utility is good for raids; less so in mythic plus.. while a soul stone can bring wipe protection; teams prioritize lust/heroism over cookies/soulstone.
@MakAttack916
9 ай бұрын
I wish they would make it so Haunt refreshed Shadow Embrace like in WotLK. Weaving a DS can be really awkward when you have shards to spend. It made sense that only SB & DS refreshed SE back when UA was the shard spender and SB/DS where purely filler, but with MR it just makes everything a cluster.
@SirSpoonalot
9 ай бұрын
Feel like extending the duration of Agony while not impacting it's DPS would be best to allow a refresh with Vile Taint. VT seems to line up nicely with Soul Rot right now and preferably would be good to keep at 30s. By extending agony and increasing damage accordingly we won't have a DPS increase just QoL!
@edgyguy7084
6 ай бұрын
Tbf, just by making Vile Taint's cooldown 10 sec and have enemies hit by SoC have their Agony Duration increased would help alot. The Balace druid even has the same kind of talent, as in "using Starfall increases the active duration of moonfire and sunfire on all targets.".
@slugfest513
9 ай бұрын
This week I had the most fun in my life whenever i died in a key and my fel dom was on cooldown so I could NEVER summon my pet because of volcanic and the 6 seconds cast :D super fun man, I loved it so much
@TheRealGrimpaw
9 ай бұрын
Long pet summon is a result of a stupid strat in arena in caster/healer mirrors where the demo and his healer would send their pet only and run round the pillar and trade a pet for some healer mana. This would go for so long that the opposing team would go super offensive and overextend or will lose on mana. It was dumb but ever PvE player now is paying for the sins of an arena strat.
@netflixandchinchilla
9 ай бұрын
The only reason I still play destro is because I worked really hard for green fire during MoP. Thankfully I don't do hardcore raiding anymore so I don't really care that it isn't top dps, but I wouldn't mind if they made it less awkward to play.
@POtatoChips-x3z
9 ай бұрын
Did the quest when it came out too! It was awesome. Also loved destro when 1 chaos bolt was 1 ember and you just unleashed hell when building up with pew pew pew pew pew. Also there was fire and brimstone to set everything ablaze and rain of fire was spammable. That's how you brought actual destruction. Ah well. A few more years and we get mop classic.
@netflixandchinchilla
9 ай бұрын
@user-qx1hb4yi3r Yeah! MoP was the peak for destro in my opinion. It actually felt like raining down destruction. I also preferred chaos bolt's spell effect back then too. It was like lobbing bombs that hit for over 1 million damage on Elegon. Good times
@DivineMaryJourney
Ай бұрын
The fact that u need a talent point to have a 3 charge conflag meanwhile some evoker bulls class gets to spam infinite times instant ranged spell and has a 2 charge spell to get movementspeed and be able to cast while moving is just ridiculois 🤣
@thatepicwizardguy
9 ай бұрын
Destro needs its damage up front across the board... rain of fire feels like shit unless youre doing fat pulls that last forever and are stationary for example. Aff should go back to melting mobs with dots and spreading dots instead of counting dots to do burst spenders... maybe have some way to consume them on targets or something for "burst" or something but the design as-is feels like crappy diablo 3 design Demo hits the fantasy well. Im not familiar with the specs playstyle but it seems really heavy on CD windows and specific timings? Maybe add an additional permanent pet or something? Also why doesnt demo get all the demons including infernal??? Destro doesnt need a single summon lol just give them more gigaspells EDIT: what I'm saying is warlock should probably just get completely overhauled lol
@osamodaboy
9 ай бұрын
Add one talent to the class tree : Master Summoner -> Summons your spec's iconic cooldown pet And the next talent is the capstone -> Grand Warlock Design Boom, no more issue.
@ondrejbyrtus4823
9 ай бұрын
I think there a few more issues/reasons: 1. Melee specs are better at being in melee. Melee specs are designed around constantly dodging swirlies and run-out mechanics, thats a fact. 2. All encounters are esentially melee encounters. With rise of short-range healers (literally half of them now), the 'good' or 'intended' way of playing pretty much any encounter designed in last few years is stick to melee or close to it. 3. Density of mechanics increased, mobility is the same. Mechanics creep is real, mobility is the same for sake of 'fantasy'. It is somewhat compensated by damage in case of Demo, but the encounters will still feel miserable if a chunk of your gameplay is pressing W. 4. Setup-oriented cooldowns without cast-on-move. The cooldown economy is very fragile, a badly timed mechanic and you can lose up to 2 minutes worth of cooldowns, this is not present in any other class. Say a generic class has a big CDs which is 20s and you have to spend 5s doing mechanichs, usually you would use 25% efectiveness (less if you have to use fillers in CDs),. Do that that with Demo and you can lose up to ~80% of effectiveness (GFG/dogs expiring). All other classes have either proportional punishment or a way to protect their CDs (cast-on-move, reposition off GCD, etc.), warlock has none. If devs want to further increase mechanics density, KJC is not *strong* or too OP, it is absolutely essential for health of the class and maintaining turret fantasy.
@daquarius1222
9 ай бұрын
quick answer: No one wanna play demo for 4th expansion! .........
@timhook8186
9 ай бұрын
Wrong. Demo is master class
@mardouk1992
9 ай бұрын
This is my first demo expansion lol.
@Leagon1
9 ай бұрын
I don't wanna play demo at all, so I haven't played the last 4 expansions.... except for teir 1 shadowlands that was affliction. Quit after the nerf.
@Trix465
9 ай бұрын
Exactly this. Demo always been my least favourite spec. At least before you had that feelgood for gigaburst pi target. Current demo is boring. Please give me affliction meta for the love of god
@KeeperOLight
9 ай бұрын
I love demo, this has been such a nice time to be alive
@DazeJokerz
9 ай бұрын
funny how both demo and aff only pick 1 capstone from the spec tree 😂😂
@DazeJokerz
9 ай бұрын
and the capstones from the class tree are so subpar when compared to say mass barrier and other mega raid bonusses
@GruffGames
9 ай бұрын
Rain of Fire should be baseline, with Cata in its place. Zero baseline AoE abilities for destro is dumb, I don't know other classes that have that.
@antoinehsc.2492
9 ай бұрын
Really fell in lover with warlock end of shadowlands (specially demo), and it is the DPS i want to play the most ideally, but the class has so many stupid issues, like the one you said at the start. Also all specs feel so empty to play nown I'm so gutted to where the class had landed compared to where it was
@jozeff3329
9 ай бұрын
I genuinely think one of the few reasons that warlock is on the map at all is thanks to you Kala, it's just a little disheartening that all the great ideas the warlock community has put forth for gameplay improvements falls on deaf ears over and over again. I like the way demo plays, personally, but affliction and destruction i think need to be reworked from the ground up. The specs just don't hold up anymore. Playing either of them makes me feel like i timetraveled back to pre-covenant or pre-artifact warlock, there's just not enough to those specs that could really keep people playing them.
@xadion6866
9 ай бұрын
Warlocks don't have a kick, they don't have front loaded damage, they don't help the group, their positioning doesn't favor the tank or the healer to facilitate group fluidity in movement, they need their cooldowns to be catered to by the entire group, - something that tanks hate wholeheartedly. If I had to choose a warrior with rally and comparably better damage and kicks over a warlock who is willing to kick and curse the bosses to weaken them, then I would choose the warrior. Some things that nobody realizes about casters, is that casting is never better than not casting - and this is a defining factor for successful group cohesion and cooperation, and thus, success. Playing balance druid for example which has nothing of helpful in its disposal - especially kicks, is something that instantly makes you a second guess target. I as a tank honestly can't remember when I last saw a balance druid in my keys, and neither a warlock or a mage or any of those badly designed objects.
@Nivraxus
9 ай бұрын
I can see Wilfred effect being in general tree as well as Dark Soul back, but as a choice node, if you had two at once you'd always stack it and had essentailly locked yourself in always picking both as well entering risk of again being class around cd and tank damage between which is not fun. I don't mind whitelisting Tyrant as it seems to be only way for it to not warp the tree into forcing you to take every single demon summon, it just needs to have damage tweaked. Pitlord could be permement upgraded version of Felguard that can channel inferno instead of Felstorming. Doom will probably become our current tier set but it should be a capstone to be worthwile, juggling brands is fun when it has current payout in damage but if they nerfed it by half like Sepulcher destro set it would be tedious.
@bigbadbubba1337
9 ай бұрын
Affliction for life.
@Mister_Vintage
9 ай бұрын
Destro is the only warlock spec that isn't crazy complicated and intimidating for players looking for an alt. All you have to do is look at the rotation pages and think: if I was new, would I think "oh cool, this looks manageable for a newbie". I look at demonology warlock and think: I might be decent if I went full yolo and stuck to it for several seasons...lol Where I picked up ret paladin after a few low key runs. Warlock needs the rework treatment that ret paladin got. FAR less complicated and super fun to play but does take some work to *master*.
@tomclark637
9 ай бұрын
Because it's getting boring to play a turret and Affliction or Destruction should get the option to ditch the pets in favour of some skills, like some crowd control curses for Affliction or some spells added to Destruction. Sincerely, a main Warlock since the early days.
@ghostfacedninja1000
9 ай бұрын
I really liked all of your suggestions and points. Gotta say tho I am REALLY happy to not be playing netherportal any more. I hate 3min+ CDs so much
@izisvi
9 ай бұрын
when all the homies get together for alt raid, nobody ever brings a warlock. the class is usually a top damage dealer and always brings several mandatory raid utilities so it's guaranteed its spot in raid but they seem to go out of their way to make it feel punishing to play. it really can't be overstated how simply *BAD* it feels to be in the middle of combat trying to summon a pet or cast a soul stone. you could cut the cast time of summoning a pet in half and it would still feel sufficiently punishing to have to do it without fel dom.
@PuffGroundHoggy
9 ай бұрын
Relying 100% on RNG for Aff shard generation is just STUPID. I rather see CD based shard generation skill to manage shards than literally sucking my thumb hoping for that ONE shard to be generated
@Locust66
9 ай бұрын
I love affliction it's just horrible as always for mythic plus and raid. I think destro and demo are missing any actual fun interactions in the specs. Yeah it's cool pressing havok and spreading chaos bolts but that's it.. I still hate that cata is stuck not being able to be taken.
@Tuckz0rz
9 ай бұрын
Probably coping quite hard but hopefully the hero talents make them realise that destro especially is insanely underwhelming as a spec. You would think the "chaos" warlock spec would be pretty easy to come up with cool stuff for really.
@DazeJokerz
9 ай бұрын
just make our big demons baseline so we can have talents around them in the class tree like GWD
@VileVamp
9 ай бұрын
Current demo's less fun than old three-dog demo, and the class as a whole suffers from terrible design that's essentially only propped up by numbers/performance. Destro is incredibly boring.
@heh701
9 ай бұрын
Blizz spent 10.0.x failing at affliction, gutting it repeatedly, then buffing it to where it could finally be played, then removing the buffs days after they went live. Blizz gave us Nether Portal, Doom Brand, and Vile Taint that comes off CD immediately after refreshing Agony. Six-second demon summons? Ok, if blizz "fixes" something they years ago went out of their way to break, then players can give them the gratitude and praise they deserve. But whatever happens, let's not criticize them, that would be unproductive and mean.
@shakeweller
9 ай бұрын
Bring Legion affl back. Yes incl the self healing abilities, the execute and the AoE burst and also the defensives. They took it all away in BfA
@skiddop3428
9 ай бұрын
The most fair and balanced version of the spec right below DKs at wotlk release.
@Afcoen
9 ай бұрын
I love Warlocks but the main issue in DF is that Blizzard dont really know what to do with the class, they feel so different from one another, always changing talents every patch doesnt help either, imo the changes from 10.1 to 10.2 are godforsaken
@kraken3844
9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir, I can tell you that we're all waiting for these changes.
@MacMc691
9 ай бұрын
Personal preference obviously. I have two Warlocks, both great for damage and sustain, but boring to play, most caster classes to me always have been though. Aff definitely needs some love. For awhile I thought for sure that Bliz was intentionally nerfing and buffing classes to get us to play a variety, but with some of the recent changes, such as one of them today, it still appears they're clueless, Aff needs some work.
@TheKalazar
9 ай бұрын
Honestly I think the main issue with lock is that if /feels/ so clunky and chunky to play. People like moving when they play and destro is a no go, aff gets outshined by boomy and spriest on movement, and demo is better but still feels like walking through mud in comparison to the other ranged specs.
@phulcq6716
9 ай бұрын
I have a lot of opinions about the state of the specs and what I would personally find fun, but I think the popularity of different specs overall is correlated with their APM. All three warlock specs have some of the lowest APM in the game and I think a lot of people prefer to be mashing buttons. Every so often some zug zugs in my guild will reroll to warlock when it's FotM and they hate it because it's so much slower than what they were playing before. Personally I love the slower, more deliberate style.
@sindrimyr5351
9 ай бұрын
I keep saying for demonology who specializes in summoning demons...Inner demons should be a baseline passive
@ericmckenzie1108
9 ай бұрын
As someone who only plays M+, Demon slaps hard in keys. But it's a pain to play around. The 30 second kick timer that has the added 'benefit' of stunning mobs makes most groups gloss over bringing it. You basically need your entire comp to revolve around the warlock to make it work and demon isn't performing at BFA rog levels so it won't happen.
@CUXOB2
8 ай бұрын
The talent trees lock you in one specific build anyway. Let's get rid of them and just make 7 rows to choose abilities from.
@SaltyKeldion
9 ай бұрын
Big Demon cooldowns (Darkglare/Tyrant/Infernal) haven't done very well in Dragonflight. Destruction in particular also feels lacking with a few talents - Soul Fire, Backdraft, and Shadowburn. Soul Fire is too long to cast, Backdraft grants only 1 charge instead of 2, and Shadowburn is not worth the button press without the target death refund.
@taftvalue
9 ай бұрын
Removing Dark Soul was such a silly, silly move. Let's make a whole class have only worthless cooldowns. Great design, Blizzard Warlock designer!
@SugarBomb69.
9 ай бұрын
I started as a warlock back in DS, havent stopped yet!
@felledforest6089
9 ай бұрын
Looking at what makes Rogue and DH capstones feel good(those are what I play so I am biased) it the fact that the capstones change the way you look at the rest of the tree. AMN changing all damage to chaos and making your mastery benefit them makes immolation aura benefit from mastery so those you start looking at IA talents same with AFI, the second IA charge. In sin rogue kingsbane makes you look for more ways to apply poisons, Dragon-tempered opens up opportunities to use new poisons, Sudden demise makes you look for more bleed sources and amps. Warlocks don't have that. Their capstones are 3 points further down than the cooldowns they are usually buffing making them very narrow and rarely interact with anything outside of that cooldown and some basic abilities. also a large number of your class talents are just "Y deals X% more damage" which is the very type of talent they swore to avoid from when bringing back the trees to avoid the classic through cats problem of uninteresting talents.
@AustinEsse-d8u
9 ай бұрын
The soul stone idea is over 9000 IQ idea, it will be a miracle if it happens though I have hope!
@Ithekro
8 ай бұрын
Been basically Destro Lock since Patch 2.4 when fire started to be viable and then Chaos Bolt came out. Haven't really done the other specs since Chaos Bolt. What I miss is Fel Flame from MoP, the "filler " spell or movement spell that would be useful to finish things off or have something to do when you get say a group of Demon Hunters and Druids in a dungeon who never stop moving and pulling.
@MrSherhi
9 ай бұрын
For solo world content - demo with accrued vitality, fel synergy and grim feast? Its crazy good, unkillable and I can solo almost everything very quickly.
@sevenseeker347
9 ай бұрын
Warlock has never been better than when blizz had Shinafae from Blood Legion help them with the overhaul in Mists. It was absolutely amazing, demo especially. Having only 1-2 design devs, who are responsible for multiple classes, isn’t cutting it (no offense). I know devs get feedback behind the scenes from content creators, but an actual think tank of a few great players would be a great asset for this very necessary overhaul.
@ramongraf1714
9 ай бұрын
At least for demo the class fantasy now is on point. Love to have that many and such a variety of demons out at once!
@martin9202
9 ай бұрын
Sorry, but it's too much... I prefer quality over quantity... why can't lock have 1 pet, very good pet, and then 1 CD so you can call 1 more for some time... that's it... these imps + implosion... just rubbish added that it is super messy and nobody cares about it... you don't even know/care how many pets you have because they're just there... no added value to the game play...
@blackmage567
9 ай бұрын
I like aff conceptually as it is, but i feel it NEEDS to have 1 or 2 less debuffs to mantain. Saying Siphon Life and Shadow's embrace. It is TOO MUCH BUILD UP and maintenance as it is. And honestly the Rapture adding +2 sec to DOTS from the 4pc is amazing, it feels great, because it allows you to burst without that contradiction between refreshing and bursting. Its fine to have a moment from time to time when you focus on bursting without being overwhelmed. Other than that the spec is just too weak for the amount of work you have to do. The other thing is that it feels like the change between ST and AOE is way too big. Dread touch and death blossom are both too big, and the other capstones are quite mediocre. But to be honest it doesnt feel as bad as last xpac. Last xpac was decent aoe for 0 single, or the other way around (particularly first patch where aff ST was huge and sow the seeds hadnt been buffed).
@Ithiryn
9 ай бұрын
Some general qualiy of life I;d like to see is amplify curse and fel domination being rolled into upgrades for soul burn, I'd also like for gateway to replace portal summon and then have portal teleport just teleport you to whichever of the two gates you're nearest to but I can understand why alot of people wouldn't like that. Personally I don't want dark soul to ever come back, it being added was one of my least favorite things to happen to warlock gameplay because I always viewed the lack of a proper dps steroid as something that differentiated warlocks from mages. Mages cycled damage around their cooldowns while once the warlock ramped their damage was just always on. For more specific changes UA becoming the spender again would be nice, I'd even take a cooldownless soul rot as the spender. For demo, I'd like for the felguard-centric talents to also buff your other pets in some way too just so demo isn't so pigeonholed into one single pet, and for affliction and destruction I'd like for sacrifice to persist through death or like, change it's name to "grimiore of stolen power" and just let you pick which pet you want the ability from so you dont have to do the summon at all. It's so awkward that you have to summon a pet to play petless.
@brandongullion6353
9 ай бұрын
The pet summon cast time I think was honestly aimed at PVP to make killing pets for pet specs actually worthwhile, and make keeping pets alive for those specs more important. I do think they need to make that a PVP only thing, though. Making pet summon casts shorter in PVE seems like it should have been done a long time ago.
@JakeRowland337
9 ай бұрын
I think soulburn is a perfect capstone IF they had kept to the philosophy they spouted constantly before dragonflight released. That is, having all the utility in one tree and all the throughput in the other. Clearly they threw that out though because other specs have tons of throughput in the class tree. The warlock class tree has like 6 points that just give % damage amps that you take in literally every situation, just none of them are capstones. It doesn't make any sense.
@alohaitsjeff
9 ай бұрын
i liked soulburn in s1 where you pressed it and it applied a perm buff to you. the timer based version sucks. when i need a HS now i always have to hit 2 buttons. when i need a gate i have to hit 2 buttons. health funnel.. 2 buttons.. terrible change.
@Prismatic_Rain
9 ай бұрын
Pet summons are 6 seconds so that it actually matters if they get killed in PvP. Killing a pet is a legitimate strategy for if the hunter/warlock tries to kite you out of range endlessly while the pet does all the dps. If you make resummoning too fast then killing the pet becomes a complete waste of time (even more so than it is now in most situations).
@robohobo9129
9 ай бұрын
Point 1: about DPS as class tree capstones: you don’t want that in the class tree. Mage had that before class tree rework and it was terrible because it completely locks in your choice (in our case it was shifting power with temporal warp for all specs)
@seabhacgra517
8 ай бұрын
I stopped playing Retail about 8 months ago and had no plans to go back to WoW, until Classic SOD came out and I'm having fun again. This video makes me laugh knowing that in the last 8 months NOTHING has changed with my lock in retail, all the same issues are still there. Classic SOD is alot less QOL but so much more fun now feeling nostalgic and new at the same time. I'm recapturing my original fun with warlock again. I hope retail gets better, but until then Classic SOD is just a blast. @Kalamazi you should look into doing content for that as well :)
@energizing4133
9 ай бұрын
Great work Kala! Keep up the good work
@Calhoon4U
8 ай бұрын
I personally play destro, love casting big giant chaos bolts. I'm hoping the new talents in war within makes that a little more fun. I would like chaos bolt to not be 75 percent of my damage every time though. Minimize chaos bolt damage, boost the rest so everything feels useful. Incinerate feels borderline useless sometimes.
@Zeph914
9 ай бұрын
Quick answer, we all went to play warlock tanks in season of discovery. Really hope the next retail expansion allows lock tanks
@SilentinsanityM
9 ай бұрын
As a nutjob that fell in love with Demo back in Legion . . . Class Tree: Like Kali already said we need real capstones. Soul Burn has grown on me over the xpac but the rest of that bottom 1/3rd of the tree feels bland. Ideas: Life Tap: reworking LT into a 20-30 cd that generates soul shard(s) would be universally good for all 3 specs. Choice nodes could give us some options like maybe a damage buff vs an extra shard with LT. Grimoire of Servitude: bring back GoS somehow - admittingly this would be hard to make work but I miss Doomfiend. Decimating Bolt: this might be better suited for the Demo and Destro trees but DB is also another good contender as a capstone talent. Demo: The middle of the tree feels incredibly bloated with too many talents just being "ability x does y% more damage" resulting in many dead talents that underperform and do not offer any changes in gameplay. This season's iteration of Doom via the tier set isnt perfect but is far better than the 2 nodes sitting in the middle of the tree unused the whole xpac. (sorry my pvp brothers) Ideas: Move Tyrant and some of its supporting nodes up into the middle of the tree where Doom currently sits dead. Maybe restricting Tyrant further might be necessary if it means expanding Demo's toolbox. Move Doom down to the bottom third of the tree and expand upon it with talents like Hand of Doom, or in the future add the mechanics of the Doom Brand tier back into the tree. Rework NP. NP is either too strong and we all hate playing with it or its too weak and never gets used. I think reworking NP to work similar to Resto's Grove Guardians would be fun and let us see a larger variety of demons running around. Lastly I wouldn't mind if the Immutable Hatred/Guillotine capstone was removed. IH is more invisible power and Guillotine feels clunky to use. Perhaps reintroducing Pit Lord as its own talent could be brought in here, making the left side of the tree more sustain focused and the right side more burst focused.
@kalsizzle
8 ай бұрын
I’m new to DF and demo is so fun. Not sure if I like it more than WOTLK affliction but having an army of demons is super cool.
@kurisu1204
8 ай бұрын
i just returned to retail and have a question on destro. does any1 play arround the ruin talents? like calculating the perfect SS spender/gain ratio to focus on shorter chaos bolts as a main thing? i m trying every rotation possible but it simply doesnt align. maybe my crit chance is still too low to get enough SS to spend them.
@tylermontgomery8133
9 ай бұрын
What about removing Nether Portal all together. Change the node to be more impactful with Doom. Move the Doom talent to the existing Portal Slot, make it a passive "applied by __ core ability, seconds reduced by __ amount when casting __". Next row under you can keep the same structure, "Doom detonations summon __ for __ seconds." | Imp buffing your spells | Change the wording to "increase the damage from each soul shard generating ability by __% per demon summoned" Next row go crazy with some big demon that gets summoned, Say Pit lord for ST and an Inquisitor for Multi. Another personal gripe I've had was how much focus demonology had on a SPECIFIC pet demon. Like yeah I'm a master summoner now but I can't summon a dreadstalker for purge. My silence also HAS to be a stun. I can't use a personal magic cleanse from my Imp. It just feels bad that I lose class utility by picking a spec. I would rather have super demons than being forced into a felguard. I end up taking a 15 second felguard on a 2min CD anyways.
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