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@turbobrent9435
5 ай бұрын
That photoshop of JAR Might though 🤣
@OfficialToxicCat
5 ай бұрын
Your part about Americans not understanding Healthcare. My sister also told me a good chunk of the food we also consume is banned in other countries for either having too much sugar or having harmful ingredients added into them like the red dyes and aspartame.
@Marinanor
5 ай бұрын
Okay, Fat People Acceptance should replace Fat Acceptance. Let Fat People change. But bullying someone for being fat isn't helping them change. Being mean to someone for any reason is wrong. Accepting Fat People will help them not be fat anymore.
@Greg501-
5 ай бұрын
The hierarchy goes: Immutable: Birth sex, Gender, Sexuality, Race, etc. Culmination of many factors: Weight, Height, Religion, a few other Like, a single choice: Smoking and other drug use
@frogglen6350
5 ай бұрын
Looking at your channel, I can understand why you had to farm this drama. You're losing views and you're boring. Maybe go back to having a real life job.
@zeosummers3984
5 ай бұрын
the biggest problem i'm starting to see is that people don't know the difference between being overweight, being fat and being obese.
@rachelc.8143
5 ай бұрын
This. I’m slightly overweight and have a similar body type as Illy. Illy is probably just slightly overweight herself. But I kinda get why she would think that she’s fat, considering she was bullied for weight, although I would also occasionally get called fat as a kid in middle school too: Regardless, she’s still thinner than a third of the American population. Sure I wouldn’t describe her or myself as skinny but I wouldn’t say she’s fat either.
@Terraforge-m9b
5 ай бұрын
@@rachelc.8143 I would say she's skinny for her body type. she's just not rail thin. which is a body type not a weight. she was quite literally starting to faint after a few months at the gym because she didn't have enough fat on her body to function.
@shadowfox2730
5 ай бұрын
Honestly to me, she an normal women who is not fat or over weight. What Americans think is fat is just judgemental and hate fat people. Heck, some people think 120 is fat for a women☠️
@Twiddle_things
4 ай бұрын
@@shadowfox2730 don't americans have the highest obesity rate, or something along those lines?
@kamo7293
4 ай бұрын
ugh... what are you on about retard? obese and overweight are both fat, one more than the other. stop trying to redefine terms to fit your skewed perspective
@ArtisticPassion
5 ай бұрын
As someone whose on the opposite spectrum of weight(aka TOO skinny. And yes that IS a problem. Just cuz someone's skinny doesn't mean they like themselves.) I can say that yes exercise and diets is hard and tedious but it will take time for ANYONE; be it fat, skinny, heart problems, muscle problems, medical issues, etc.
@TheAsylumCat
5 ай бұрын
Same, I remember wearing heavy coats in high school because I was insecure about my noodle arm, to the point people thought I was a cutter and was eventually going to pull a columbine. Then I worked fast food for a year and a half, and the collective stress and free meals made me go from 95lbs to 230lbs. I have stretch marks and COPD.
@vincentender1486
5 ай бұрын
I could never seem to get over 112 pounds at 5'7 for the longest time, depression, PTSD, and other things kept my appetite low and also burned lots of energy due to panic attacks which boy those drain you. At 35 I finally can't easily see my ribs at all and have less issues with fainting spells.
@vectory674
5 ай бұрын
I have a friend who is as tall as me (6ft at least) and he's WAY skinnier than me. To the point where he's eating as much as me and was advised to eat at some point. Yes you read right. He was ADVISED TO EAT MCDONALDS
@Gopherzooka
5 ай бұрын
I had problems eating until i started smoking weed at 19, I worked at mcdonalds and gained 60 lbs in 6 months and got "fat" and immediately started walking an extra 5 km a day.
@nono-yw3tv
4 ай бұрын
Good, I ain't the only one. I was the only kid in my school in 5th grade who fell under too skinny. Everyone else in my school was a little bit chubby or near perfect weight for their age.
@wagerobot5231
5 ай бұрын
Buying theater snacks is a scam. Always sneak in snacks from home when you go to the theater.
@SkeetersGuitar
5 ай бұрын
But the popcorn taste so good 😭
@ZethTheGoat666
5 ай бұрын
I love having baggy hoodies and my military pants with hundreds of big pockets on my legs and sneak in snacks in those.
@ThisguySL
4 ай бұрын
@@ZethTheGoat666 I always loved winter for that reason. I had a seamless excuse to wear a hoodie that was baggy enough to fit a dozen Taco Bell tacos any time me and my friends went to see a movie and didn't care to pay up for the theater's -scam- food.
@CharlietheWarlock
4 ай бұрын
My dimig room table won't fit in the theater
@Alienldr
4 ай бұрын
Just be considerate. Theatre candy is in boxes so bags don't make noise during the movies. Make sure the snacks don't become everyone else's problem, and then everything's good.
@cassoake9378
4 ай бұрын
This is the stupidest fucking drama ever oh my god
@cassoake9378
4 ай бұрын
This video she made was never a big enough deal to start a whole drama like what is even going on here anymore.
@dredgengam4610
4 ай бұрын
@@cassoake9378I don't even know honestly. I just know that it's interesting to see how these people react. It's like the way people dealt with this whole thing is a case study in of itself...
@ultraexcalibur1728
4 ай бұрын
@@cassoake9378 That might be true but the way she reacted to his video was unacceptable.
@applejackx97
4 ай бұрын
@@cassoake9378 she started the drama by getting her fan base to mass report the video. If she never did that then worse case scenario she'd have a few brain dead trolls comment on the video for 2-3 days then the whole thing is forgotten about.
@DreamieFantasy_
3 ай бұрын
@@ultraexcalibur1728 oh yeah, totally normal not to respond to a KZitemr's audience who actively harassed and sent death threats to you while they are made false accusations that were based on nothing but misguidance and complete misinformation. surely staying silent is the most appropriate answer to a situation like this. Good heavens. 🤦♂️
@slashbash1347
5 ай бұрын
A person can be healthy and a little overweight, but I won't buy into the "healthy at any size" narrative until I see a perfectly healthy 600-lb person.
@Dekudicklicker
5 ай бұрын
Good thing that literally nobody said 600 lbers were fat lol just like 60 lb humans are also unhealthy. 150-250 pounds are healthy weights across the spectrum. Muscle, height, bone density all play a part in someones weight.
@emanuel4570
5 ай бұрын
i even me being a little overweigt but with a correct muscle % have problems xd. being some overweigth make me sometimes dizzy cause fat makes your body worse at oxygenation . nowadats i just need to let my mind more in peace to start lossing weight,cause i dont have much time to do exercise andthink about how im treating my body.
@fortnitesexman
5 ай бұрын
...sumo wrestlers? idk, that's my best shot, but i don't even think they get that heavy
@bagredecartola1289
5 ай бұрын
i mean, in my experience the healthier people tend to be the ones who are just overweight, not the skinny nor the obese, health standards are just bullshit sometimes
@slashbash1347
5 ай бұрын
@@emanuel4570 That might be specific to you.
@honeydroptheunicorn6557
5 ай бұрын
4:04 if she was constantly told by the others kids she was fat, and if she had a poor self image, she would see her self as fat, even if she wasn't.
@malikpierre-louis3343
5 ай бұрын
Wrong timestamp.
@Starman062
5 ай бұрын
Yeah a lot of this video was JAR shutting down Illymations for her personal experiences & self image.
@malikpierre-louis3343
5 ай бұрын
@@Starman062 No.
@maximan142
5 ай бұрын
Nah, that is cope on her part
@maximan142
5 ай бұрын
She needs a therapist, not a fitness instructor
@jeremyusreevu237
5 ай бұрын
I really hate how this drama spiraled out control. It started out as simply a bad response to a video, but over time it just devolved into an out and out war, with haters of Ilymation and TBYS using the information to spread hate on the other KZitemr.
@killingtimeitself
5 ай бұрын
yeah i genuinely don't understand why so many people care. I've had people try to argue with me about the concept of "fashion" like theres some kind of fashion god that controls the entire definition of what looks good or not, ignoring that it's subjective, and entirely dependent on whether others care about how they look or not lmao.
@jeremyusreevu237
5 ай бұрын
@@killingtimeitself I mean, the only reason I'm invested in it is because I've watched a lot of TBYS' content. But yeah, this drama has been taken way too far.
@kevinrieke4901
5 ай бұрын
@@killingtimeitselfthat is not true Art is subjective, but also objective. If I think that I am handsome, but everyone else thinks that I am ugly, I will be seen as ugly. You are the sum of the opinions of others So yes, while on an individual level it is subjective, on a global scale we can use objectivity Moreover, research exist. In depth about face characters all the way to simple colour theory. If I wear blue with red, it will in many cases look worse than white with blue. ‘Simple’ colour theory These theories are a tool to improve your looks. They are based on real perceptions. Saying that all is subjective is simply incorrect
@killingtimeitself
5 ай бұрын
@@kevinrieke4901 oh boy we're flailing here. Yes it's both subjective and objective is, literally everything in the universe is. Thats how this works. The problem here is that there are objective aspects of fashion, like the current trends, and styles for example. And there are subjective aspects to fashion, like what styles you like, what you're going for, how you like to present yourself, what you're trying to convey through your physical existence. etc... The important thing here, as with all things, is whether the individual cares or not, i don't wash my hair, nor do i wear fashionable clothes, i'm aware of this, you don't need to point it out to me, i simply do not care, you aren't accomplishing anything by pointing it out to me, in fact the only real thing you would accomplish is the thing i specifically intend for my "fashion" to be a comment on. I mean sure, there's research, if you're incapable of being your own autonomous individual and need the entirety of science to tell you how to dress yourself in the morning, than i suppose that's an option you have. Again that doesn't matter, not everyone is styling themselves to be "aesthetically pleasing" I don't because i don't want to be. Again, improving your look is a very subjective thing, for many people it's how they carry themselves through society, for others it's merely a reflection of who they are as a person, and means nothing more to them. I for one, do not care about my looks, because i prefer to be comfortable with who i am, and how i exist, rather than spend time looking a particular way to uphold some sort of image that i will never match. I intend to carry myself through my interactions, not my physical appearance, i am not a shallow individual, i do not need to look important, i am simply important when applicable. It's that simple.
@killingtimeitself
5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237 that's understandable i suppose, i just don't concern myself with these sorts of vain pursuits tbh. I've got more important things to worry about.
@Mikami_The_Bard
5 ай бұрын
2:00 Maybe it's regional, but in my country I was pretty much like her (I mean shape) and people were literally making photos of me, "fanpages" with my bad photos, calling me fatty, stalking to home to bully me with telling how fat I am and I was in junior high school. It really broke my mind and I was indeed the chubbiest in my class (girl ofc, guys were fatter and had fun of me too). Maybe she had the same experience. The worst part it - even when I became thinn, they've never stopped. I had to change my area totally.
@Jebbtube
5 ай бұрын
I miss the anonymity of the old internet. Nowadays, it's increasingly difficult to be critical of anything without the fear that someone's gonna track you down and publish all your private info, if only to silence you.
@Someone-sc2hk
5 ай бұрын
you say that as if doxxing was invented this decade
@tridungta9151
5 ай бұрын
@@Someone-sc2hkbut it was spam and people private info easily leak nowadays
@astralguardian5930
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think the big thing is that all it takes is one crazy person with some time on their hands to get that private information you wouldn't want out. As much as content creators try to say "don't harass this person" there will always be a few people who have some screws loose who just will do it anyways and even sometimes do the whole doxx shit. Basically, all it takes is one really rotten apple for the whole situation to go dire, and with anonymity it makes it so easy for these people to just blend in with the masses of profile pics and usernames.
@Alienldr
4 ай бұрын
@Someone-sc2hk they said that as if doxxing wasn't a popular thing to do when someone says something you didn't like on the internet back then.
@Cerebrum123
5 ай бұрын
At the 5:10 mark you missed a golden opportunity to say "You can't have your cake and eat it too".
@Doodlediaperssean
5 ай бұрын
I have all of doodletones' friend's addys. This is what happens when you're friends with a diaper loving degenrate! 713 Nantucket Way Island Lake IL 60042
@caramel9154
5 ай бұрын
@@Doodlediaperssean wow imagine trying to doxx someone over a fetish. pathetic, really
@rimfire8217
5 ай бұрын
Damn it, He did.
@Lobstro
5 ай бұрын
The diet video is the most blatant cope I have seen in a long time. "I have self esteem issues because of my body and I suck at exercise, so you know what problem is? The concept of health itself!"
@thelonesage3146
5 ай бұрын
As a Vulcan this is a highly illogical conclusion, she came to.
@97Multiphantom
5 ай бұрын
Except that’s not at all what she said in the video. Her point is that we shouldn’t shame people for for the way they eat, not that eating well doesn’t matter. Everything she said was taken out of context for the purpose of “le epic own on woke animator.”
@EllipsisMark
5 ай бұрын
Have you watched the video yourself? Because she literally runs the full gauntlet trying to lose weight. She had a professional trainer and multiple medical tests.
@Zephyr23311
5 ай бұрын
@@EllipsisMarkwhom are extremely helpful at best and actually detrimental to your health at worst. Think before you sleep points that out in his video.
@MaverickhunterXZero
5 ай бұрын
I would bet her diet plant said no more McDonald's and that's why it was triggering. People like her just want to be validated for their choices, even if they're bad for them.
@THAT1ZELDAFAN
5 ай бұрын
I saw the diet video when it was released, and while I do agree with the statement "food is just food", there is more to it than that. Moderation is key. It's ok to have a double cheese burger every so often from Macca's, but that doesn't mean you should have it daily, not without the exercise needed to counteract that. Again, there is more to it, someone with a low metabolism and an active job will still lose weight slower than someone with a high metabolism in the same job, but as a basis, have what you want, in moderation. I also think she was referring to her BMI, and going off of what we know, she may just barely slot in to overweight on the BMI scale, however BMI fails to take in to account bust size and hip size, which for women play a huge part when it comes to weight.
@mullerpotgieter
5 ай бұрын
People seem incapable of grasping "energy in, energy out". Wanna lose weight, see a dietician. Exercise burns very little carbs in the grand scheme. Simply eating right and having a carb deficit does 90% of the weight loss work What also pisses me off is that she didn't stop to think for a moment to consider muscle mass. If you can compete with a personal trainer, you've built up a lot of muscle. And that shit is heavy. So its entirely possible she was busy burning fat and building muscle. BMI means literally nothing. A bodybuilder can have the same BMI as an obese person
@fnw21gamer73
2 ай бұрын
20:56 - 22:07. Just A Robot, I think you're missing the point! The one that Illymations was actually trying to make! Now, I don't blame you for that, Illymation likely didn't convey this point well, but I think that this should be known. I don't think Illy's "Food is food" claim was taking from a nutritional standpoint. I think it was coming from a morality standpoint. I think that she was trying to say "it's okay to have a bar of chocolate every once in a while, you're not a bad person for it." I think this makes sense given her talking of diet culture and body neutrality, as well as her story of being bullied for being the fat kid in school and not liking her appearance and trying to loose weight despite not looking fat, which side note, makes me think she has an unrealistic appearance of herself where she sees herself as fat when it's not true in reality (I think the TV show Doug did an episode on something like this happening). I don't think however that she argued her point very well. I think her video could've used restructuring and maybe not bring up someone from the fat acceptance movement, and maybe say something like "I started this diet journey because I saw myself as fat" or "I thought I was a bad person for eating the food I like" or something like that, because D@#N, so many people got the wrong idea and think that Illy is telling kids to eat themselves to obesity. You, TBYS, and so many other KZitemrs. I think that's hard proof that Illy need to make her point more clear, because if this many adults got it wrong, I don't think impressionable kids will get the right idea either, and that could definitely to unintended consequences.
@cosygoose1813
Ай бұрын
She made a video about being Jewish, autistic and getting an abortion. She is a very left leaning youtuber who lives in LA she is clearly bias and trying to push those ideals on others. I watched her videos fir ages but it's clear she has been consumed by leftist culture. (I'm not rightist or anything but saying that anyone who disagrees is rightist is a red flag for me).
@andrewc406
5 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many misinformed videos are made because of this one video. It's like people are trying to reconstruct a sandwich from breadcrumbs.
@chadoquinn488
3 ай бұрын
How was his video misinformed?
@annienunyabiz6627
5 ай бұрын
She needs therapy, not a personal trainer. She needs help with her distorted view of her body and weight, and her unhealthy relationship with food. And she needs better friends who don't set her up to make an ass of herself.
@insertnamehere1398
5 ай бұрын
She does go to therapy. There’s actually a lot of context that paints illy in a better light that TBYS cut out
@nemudere
5 ай бұрын
you should definitely watch the original video and you'll notice its message is completely different from what it was depicted.
@StrawberryTearsOfficial
5 ай бұрын
Please watch the original video. ILLYMATION said things that TBYS cut out purposefully
@snintendog
5 ай бұрын
@@StrawberryTearsOfficial Bullshit
@StrawberryTearsOfficial
5 ай бұрын
@@snintendog Watch the video yourself. Actually watch the video. For specific evidence, 14:08.
@Mari_aboo
5 ай бұрын
I feel like this video is more about her insecurity, someone probably made up something about her being fat and she just convinced herself she was fat
@gem_b7798
4 ай бұрын
That's because the beauty standard is weird. To quote Jaclyn Glenn "you get called too fat if you eat a pea". That was my case where as a kid i was at a weight level that would be considered "average weight" but i was called fat for having a bit of a belly.
@N_DAnimationEnthusiast
5 ай бұрын
Never thought I’d see the day JAR would do a video about Illymations.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Why? I've talked about story time animators before.
@menethemene1555
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JARit more on the disbelief of thinking illymation would ever do something get your attention
@N_DAnimationEnthusiast
5 ай бұрын
@@menethemene1555 This.
@BoxyBrown717
5 ай бұрын
@@menethemene1555 Funny thing is that if she didn't react the way she did, no one would be talking about her.
@malikpierre-louis3343
4 ай бұрын
@@BoxyBrown717 This probably is one of the most avoidable dramas ever made.
@OniLifes
5 ай бұрын
Im just gonna go out and say watching her OG video, the biggest issue she has is not clearly stating what she wants to say properly. The vibe I got was "hey its ok to eat things, dont feel bad if you have a chocolate bar every now and then." Cause people do have that issue. Ily just, needed to say that or word it better cause wow what was actually said is just, yikes
@Cerebrum123
5 ай бұрын
She's using really bad sources if that is her only point. When you use fat acceptance activists to make your points about food and dieting, that implies that you agree with their stance on the topic. AKA "health at any size" nonsense.
@-ReHaven
5 ай бұрын
No she made her point, (heavily paraphrased) “I’m not advocating for anything I’m just saying don’t be a 🦆 to fat people”
@caramel9154
5 ай бұрын
evidently you didn't watch the og video _because that's almost literally what she said_ at the end of her video.
@caramel9154
5 ай бұрын
@@Cerebrum123 her first two sources were articles for the definition of words, the third source for statistics though that went uncredited which is bad but besides the current point - this point about using fat acceptance activits seems to be taken from TBYS's video where he correlates using magazines as sources to talking to a friend which is incorrect. Like. Science & Nature, respectively both being really highly regarded scientific magazines/articles, are a thing. Did people just forget that? I'd also like to point out that 'health at any sizes' comes from 'if you're not experiencing any health issues with your current weight you're fine'.
@Cerebrum123
5 ай бұрын
@@caramel9154 Illy's literally using articles written by fat activists like Aubrey Gordon. Illy also portrays Aubrey as significantly thinner than she actually is. I don't think this was done intentionally, but it skews the perception of her and her very unhealthy level of obesity. A magazine can have good scientific information, but most don't. That's why you should be supporting your arguments with primary sources and not secondary sources like magazines, even Science and Nature. At the very least you need to make sure they are reading the primary source correctly, because even Science and Nature have a lot of crap in them. Science and Nature are merely pop-science a lot of the time and have a lot of incorrect information in them due to how science journalism works. They might be "respected" by many, but they don't deserve nearly as much of it as they get. That's not how the phrase is being used and not how health works. The phrase is used to justify morbid obesity, even when a person clearly has medical problems. That, and just because you aren't noticing problems yet doesn't mean you aren't unhealthy. Many health problems slowly build up without external signs, some of them can kill you very quickly too. Strokes and heart attacks are some major examples both of which are much more common if you are obese.
@TheeDeathCaster
5 ай бұрын
21:31 > kid uses a glucose meter > doesn't correct for the meal Seems legit
@jfp4life
5 ай бұрын
The light on the meter turned green, which I would assume is a go ahead for eating the s'more which is why the kid did a fist pump before eating it
@TheeDeathCaster
5 ай бұрын
@@jfp4life What glucose meter does that? xd That sounds like the most useless machine ever tbh.
@TheeDeathCaster
5 ай бұрын
I don't understand how 3+ people liked the other comment. No glucose meter works like that and is the most useless thing ever for a diabetic (type 2 included). If it was green and had a number on it (80-to-120 for example) it'd be more excusable; however, it didn't and the kid didn't correct for the meal (which you do as a type 1 diabetic, and why would the kid have a glucose meter if they didn't have the disease). I'm going to be charitable with the s'more: let's say that the large marshmallow is ~6 carbs, the graham cracker ~10 and finally chocolate is ~8. That's 24 carbohydrates that the kid did not get an insulin correction nor pre-bolus for. Their blood glucose is going to shoot up, risking complications with their diabetes. A glucose meter is supposed to give you a rough idea of what your blood glucose is. it's unrealistic and why I said the glucose machine (that only gives a color) was useless.
@KingOfTheConfusedMush
5 ай бұрын
@@TheeDeathCaster its probably just to simplify things Its not that its inaccurate, its that numbers can take away from such a simplified art style
@TheeDeathCaster
5 ай бұрын
@@KingOfTheConfusedMush Edit: corrected a timestamp. 24:00 -> 14:00 6:45 7:53 8:25 14:00 there's tiny text on the phone, soda machine and clipboard. I think it could've worked in her simplified art style. xd Even if it wasn't present due to it being a simplified art style, she could have drawn a scribble on the glucose meter like the medical poster at 17:08. Regardless of any of that though, they still didn't correct for the meal. If an insulin pump was present, it'd be more understandable and have more of an excuse, because it could've been connected to the pump and could've brought them down eventually. I don't see how drawing a simplified insulin pump wouldn't work in their art style, or heck just taking the glucose meter out of the picture entirely and having a CGM + pump combo instead. This is all just nitpicking garbage anyways, doesn't matter in the long run.
@nuhscott9058
5 ай бұрын
The infamous Velma has gotten a second season Could you review that one for us please?
@ryanodom6101
5 ай бұрын
You want to put him through that?
@nuhscott9058
5 ай бұрын
@@ryanodom6101 well he did review the first season for us so we don't have to, maybe he could do so for the second one as well
@linstar9172
5 ай бұрын
@@nuhscott9058 He's definitely gonna review it
@not_a_racoon
4 ай бұрын
Me when I spread misinformation
@chadoquinn488
3 ай бұрын
How is it misinformed?
@topfranluis1
5 ай бұрын
Seriously, even you now? Tf is wrong with you people?
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
Shut it lefty
@wigglyziggly
5 ай бұрын
Go back to McDonald’s and contribute to the obesity epidemic
@fortnitesexman
5 ай бұрын
what exactly is the problem?..
@topfranluis1
5 ай бұрын
@@fortnitesexman He jumped on the bandwagon of trashtalking Illymation just like almost every other commentary KZitemr. Even the ones who actually did good commentary about the dangers of fat acceptance in the past joined in like Pegasus
@AdamSlander888
5 ай бұрын
@@topfranluis1you mean they dunked on her garbage take? I mean yeah that’s kinda what people do. She made a bad video tbys called her out, she got butthurt and tried to call her fans to flag the video, successfully got him a strike BTW, thankfully he got it removed, her talked back to her, apologized for being harsh in the fashion segment, she gets doxxed by some random and everyone jumps on the Noah samsen bandwagon. I mean come on now you can’t be serious right?
@CrazyGamebino
5 ай бұрын
8:25 i was bullied for my stutter that i got from nearly dying in a car wreck nearly 20 years ago throughout 3rd grade until high school illy being fat as a kid is not some special case of bullying because people literally mocked me even though i nearly died not even 2 years after the accident that gave me the stutter
@cultreader9751
5 ай бұрын
Both Dubya and Biden were bullied as kids for having a stutter, and those experiences motivated both to become President.
@dustyrose192
5 ай бұрын
people get bullied for anything man, its kids. Kids are cruel
@gilbertowen4908
4 ай бұрын
if anyone watch TBYS he really want for his viewer TO NOT send hate or problem to whoever he criticized, BUT it's not like he have every viewer phone and stop them like a mother from doing so. every channel even the one who usually chill will have at least one guy who do this, and it doesn't help the channel your supporting
@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh
4 ай бұрын
If he didn't want them to send hate to illy, first where in the tumedtamp did he inficate that, second why did he cut a lot of things from the video and third, why was he saying that her audiences were children
@edorasmarauder5761
4 ай бұрын
@@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhIt should be common sense to not harass people. Also your other points show how insecure you are.
@lother1111
4 ай бұрын
@@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh What are you claiming he cut out exactly? In which of his videos? Second, he's saying she has an audience of children because a lot of storytime channels have child audiences, and her videos are generally skewed towards a younger audience
@xitoxermitz
4 ай бұрын
guys literally just watch the videos like...........
@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh
4 ай бұрын
@@lother1111 would talking about being harrased at work place, talking about their life being Jew, talking about their abusive lovers, talking about autistic, talking about their period life and talking about how they have use the abortion method to get rid of a tumour while government are banning it in any countries, because if all the answer is yes. Then.... I guess you're using that all animation youtubers are for younger audiences and younger children, despite showing things that are actually adult topic. Also that would mean you haven't seem the actual types of youtubers animators
@Alienldr
4 ай бұрын
So, she had body dysmorphia, and she was told by someone else that others are to blame for her feelings. It relieved her stress from responsibility for it, it made her feel better, and there's no obvious problem with that thinking so she latched onto it. She's focused on making everyone else be comfortable with the way she looks, but it's clear that she's not the one comfortable with the way she looks. And she'll never feel better, no matter how many people accept her, unless she learns to accept herself. Interpreting that as "this is your fault. This is your problem to fix," is incredibly toxic, and is actively preventing her from ever being happy. We can spin everything into something negative when we think like that, and we shouldn't enable that kind of behavior.
@ChaoticHeretic
5 ай бұрын
Wait a minute... did she really say it was very 'colonial' when people think they have responsibility to take care of themselves? Bruh... like... I am completely baffled...
@jenneacubero1036
5 ай бұрын
Lately, a lot of people keep tying the fat acceptence movement with racism/slavery. To some extent, I can understand as slaves were given scraps that we, in the Black Community, still eat to this day (a la chittlins.). But that's about it. SamAtEverySize had did a series of videos criticizing it with her "Debunking Fearing The Black Body" videos.
@animesenpai1163
5 ай бұрын
Someone who was apparently got has a degree in studying racism and colonialism was so mad about that btw.
@cw442
5 ай бұрын
A lot of the traditionally black foods aka soul foods in the US are extremely fattening and unhealthy. So as a result American black people tend to have higher obesity rates than white people. However the reason the foods are unhealthy is based on what they could get during slavery and they made due. They would get the "worst" parts of the animal. But if you actually look into African countries then the diets there tend to be completely different. Obviously soul food is delicious and addictive albeit unhealthy but it's not like black people are inherently naturally overweight. There's actually interesting history and cultural reasons for how the numbers came out in America. At the end of the day we should all try to enjoy things in moderation while knowing the effects of overindulgence.
@ChaoticHeretic
5 ай бұрын
@@cw442 That is very interesting but it also makes perfect sense. I was just thinking how absolutely crazy it is to say taking care of your health is a 'colonial' thing. Like you said, African countries have completely different diets... I mean really... every country and or culture does and it just really rubs me the wrong way to hear someone ignorantly explain that taking care of themselves is something brought on by colonialism, like she has to label it with something like that to put an extra ummph when trying to justify 'fat culture' I'll also be honest. I have been well built my entire life but coming into my thirties I put on 40 pounds. It has obviously affected my health greatly. So when I see people get on here and start complaining and pushing fat acceptance it really frustrates me because it obviously has major negative effects.
@PetitTasdeBoue
5 ай бұрын
11:11 Oh you're right I didn't even realized it the first time (I'm not english native and sometimes some words just fly over my head lol), she said it with a tune too. I guess it's a sign she's swimming into politics and it's leaking onto her content.
@leavemealone802
5 ай бұрын
Tbys really make a whole video because of one bad comment in the video. I think he tried too hard over this Also, fat for ladies is... different from guys Being chubby, or even more muscular and bigger... you are considered fat. The fact of a matter is, sometimes you are just fat and you do everything to not be. You eat right, exercise. The only thing that will make them not fat is a surgery that, they might not have the money for. Illy is NOT wrong in the beginning of the video, and there is no reason to nip pick so much And those people deserve respect.we shouldn't do extreme diets, is so dangerous and unhealthy! Jar, I get you don't like the fat acceptance movement, and I am not the biggest fan either... but man, you kept saying alot of wrong things Edit: I swear to god- the Add is called "weight loss fraputinno" is not meant to be an actual Frappuccino. Is about the marketing for losing weight Again, I am not trying to say the being against fat acceptance is all bad, but guys pay more attention please You (TBYS too) are not paying attention The only thing Illy said that wad wrong was the phrase "there is no good food or bad food"
@leavemealone802
5 ай бұрын
WHO CARES IF A FAT PERSON TIME ON A MARATHON ARENT GOOD?! THEY ARE EXERCISING ARENT THEM? oh my God I am getting annoued. Jar, how are you messing up this badly? Can't you see that what this girls is talking is how diet culture gives people diet dysphoria when she is looking in the mirror?? How the point is not being fat and unhealthy, is the fact you can be healthy and still be Chubby, bigger, fat! Jar, I like you. I don't think you are stupid. But the fact you don't like fat acceptance, might be not helping you being bias or even listening to her
@SkeetersGuitar
5 ай бұрын
Shawn responded to her entire video not just one comment
@_indielily_
5 ай бұрын
so real for thisb
@caramel9154
4 ай бұрын
Her 'there is no good food or bad food' as in regards to food morality
@leavemealone802
4 ай бұрын
@caramel9154 yeah, I don't get this. Since when food has mortality? There is good that is good, food that is for once or twice and food that is bad for you
@honeydroptheunicorn6557
5 ай бұрын
12:24 if your self conscious about your body, you can see a wonderful images of your your self, butyou see all thing wrong and bad things.
@entityontheinternet
5 ай бұрын
I love how she criticizes Body Shaming but uses a fat Demon as her Strawman
@snowballeffect7812
5 ай бұрын
did you watch her video? tbys literally just made everything up lol also body shaming has been shown to make the issue worse rather than promote weight loss by peer-reviewed studies.
@cosmic4453
5 ай бұрын
@@snowballeffect7812 wot, give example my pea brain confused on what was made up
@snowballeffect7812
5 ай бұрын
@@cosmic4453 she never said carrots were as healthy as chocolates. In his video, he literally cuts out the part where she says "unless you have medical condition or dietary restrictions". She also tried almost as much as a human possibly could to lose weight. She worked out for four months, went to three healthcare professionals and had a personal trainer that whole time. She saw gains in her strength and stamina, but her body shape and body weight were basically stable. he also claims that she promotes fat acceptance. Nope. She explicitly says her only point is that people should not be jerks to fat people. She specifically advocated for body neutrality rather than fat acceptance, which means that people should look at their health rather than just their body shape/size. She was working out at about the top 10th percentile and was healthier than most humans on the planet and her BMI still said she was clinically overweight because of where her fat stores were. We see this is top athletes all the time because muscles weigh more than fat so they would be technically overweight or even obese in the case of body builders since obviously athletes are not average body types. I'm not saying that she was a top athlete since she never tells us her BMI or the components that we measure to calculate BMI, but based on what she was describing, she was very likely gaining muscle at a similar rate she was losing fat, especially visceral fat stores rather than fat pads. The terms she defined and the statistics she cited were also actually all accurate and up-to-date. That IS what diet culture is and many children have attempted diets as a direct result of social pressure rather than medical advice. She also said where those stats came from so it was weird why he picked one random obviously out-of-date study instead of more recent ones. Honestly, you don't even need to take my word for it. Just go watch her video; it's only 15 minutes long lol. But he counted on no one actually watching her video. Be honest, didn't watch her video either, huh?
@husariuspl117
5 ай бұрын
@@snowballeffect7812her video is still bad and TBYS did not make everything up Illy won't sleep with you so stop being a white knight
@snowballeffect7812
5 ай бұрын
@@husariuspl117 lol what is bad about her video? What DIDN'T he make up? I listed literally every single point he brought up lol.
@acemarvel1564
5 ай бұрын
How insecure do you have to be to manipulate your own fanbase into mass flagging a channel because of a video you never even watched?
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Thumbnail has been fixed.
@TheDigitalApple
5 ай бұрын
Simple, you said it yourself. “Insecurity”
@jeremyusreevu237
5 ай бұрын
Noah Samsen made an hour long video supporting Ilymation, and he basically said "Um, ACKSHULLY Ilymation didn't have to watch the video, because a bunch of people harrassed her because of the video!", which is basically like saying "I got bullied by a Snyder bro, so I'm going to rate 300 terribly, even though I've never seen it."
@Sinxzen
5 ай бұрын
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Check Noah Samsen because, Think before you sleep, left out some content by cutting her clips and proper gating several of her personal photo leaving out why said photo was taken
@Sinxzen
5 ай бұрын
Other then that, great video even though Illymation is a story animator so, she only sharing personal advice inform of motivational quotes.
@henlexunstein1789
4 ай бұрын
What I hate about ily’s video is that she doesn’t clearly define what she means by dieting. A starvation diet and removing junk food can be both considered “diets” but one is clearly healthier than the other
@Storm_Chaser325
4 ай бұрын
Alright not to send hate but PLEASE watch the orginal video Or maybe you wont because you just want clicks for the drama, but in the orignal video the, Shaun cut out a part, and purposly misteterprited something she said, again no hate to either sides (I never even watched either of them) but more so just please do your reaserch before saying "Oh shes trying to effect a younger audience." She was taking about eating carrots doesnt make you a better preson while eating chocolate makes you evil. Also Think before you sleeps video cuts out the part where she talks about keeping diets and things like diabietes in mind, he did that so He could look better. So I beg please, PLEASE don't just jump on this for clicks, watch her video so you can understand the whole thing. She NEVEr said to deplatform, fuck it she said not to be mean to him, so for a final time I just ask you to take a look at the whole thing, not just one side before you make a video like this again, thank you.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
4 ай бұрын
I did see her video, you got your points from a super bad video that I'm going to be going over soon.
@klonoafan2012
4 ай бұрын
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR how do you like that your former friends called you like peaches and lio
@mayrahemmerechts5867
2 ай бұрын
I mostly agree with you but when it comes to minors she’s absolutely right. Kids should not be calorie counting, instead their focus needs to be on making their food palate as wide as possible both to stay healthy but also for cultural reasons because those who eat many different foods will have less issues while traveling to different countries. They should also be figuring out wether they have any allergies or intolerances and if they have any medical conditions their diet should be fine tuned to that. Also what’s with the “mUsLiMs ArE rIgHt AbOuT wOmEn” card in the beginning of the video?!🤨
@cosygoose1813
Ай бұрын
That's just calling out how you can't defend a minorities believes if you disagree with them. But you should still focus on eating healthy as a kid, and that's the parents job but it's still good to be aware. And I ate Cyrry all the time as a kid, I can not stand it now because of it. It is important to have a good palette but it's better to just try fish most fish are widely available and healthy. As most countries have access to them. But also most countries will have food from home and vise versa. But for some countries like America for me, I threw up from eating an American sausage. I can eat other types but yeah, American food is just so full of bs in comparison to the rest of the world they just avoid it.
@RamshacklePrefect896
5 ай бұрын
So body dysmorphia? Yes, I think so.
@platycakes7854
5 ай бұрын
This video is honestly very poorly researched, and I take ire with a lot of it. Illy didn’t request that Think Before You Sleep’s video be taken down due to the rebuttal of her claims, but because Think Before You Sleep repeatedly insulted her and grifted off the hate wave coming her way instead of using his position to stop it. Furthermore, in no way does receiving a single strike on your channel due to ONE VIDEO constitute “taking someone down” at all. Her claim about “good food” and “bad food” also isn’t necessarily what you think it is. She’s not referring to the nutritional value itself, but to the ways in which we attach morality of the concept of eating. Eating carrots doesn’t mean you’re better than anyone that eats chocolate, and being overweight doesn’t necessarily mean you’re morally bankrupt compared to people who aren’t. I make this claim because she talks about body neutrality, and the concept of removing the morality part of weight, herself not too long before she drops the “no good food no bad food” quote. Could it have been presented better? Sure! But I think the framing you and many others have taken on has been incredibly disingenuous and rude.
@platycakes7854
5 ай бұрын
For example, he calls her homeless and repeatedly insults her appearance. He even does this awful, misogynistic, bit where he offers “beauty advice” to her. Telling her to watch makeup tutorials and stuff. Just disgusting stuff.
@jeremyusreevu237
5 ай бұрын
@@platycakes7854Offering advice is not "misogynistic".
@leoultimaupgraded9914
5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237still very weird and not related to the topic at hand though, would’ve been better if he didn’t say it at all and stick to his criticism of her video. not defending her by the way, just saying his advice was weird and was unrelated to his criticism’s
@powerfuljmonk1938
5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237Bro it's not 2017 anymore. Being an Anti-sjw isn't cool anymore. It's time to grow up and leave that shit behind.
@TheHellishAngel
5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237I've seen you in like 3 different comment sections defending his ass and it just makes you more of a bigot, we know you hate women and we know you think they are objects to fuck and discard, how about you shut up and go back into the hole that is your mom's basement
@aniflowers1998
5 ай бұрын
In regards to your "isn't it good that kids participate in diets?": No, it's not. The problem is that those kids don't actually know what they are doing. Your diet is actually a good example: you first did a diet, and than changed your eating habits to mantain a healthy waight. You handled it logically and how a diet should be practiced. Kids don't have that logical thinking. They diet in unhealthy ways, doing more harm to their body than good. That's how we end up with eating disorders by 13 year olds. Plus they also diet inefficiantly, becouse they just focus on loosing waight, but not on what they healthily need to do to maintain that waight, cousing a bummerang effect, where they get all the previous waight back in a short amount of time as soon as they stop dieting.
@Lucas-zg3hh
5 ай бұрын
That's assuming all of their diets are self imposed and never have expert guidance.
@nickelakon5369
5 ай бұрын
And? Should people just not try things just cause they might do it wrong? How many dieticians started out just as a kid figuring shit out when they decided they wanted to be healthier? There's nothing wrong with that.
@aniflowers1998
5 ай бұрын
@@Lucas-zg3hh obviously I'm just talking about the self imposed ones. Non of what I said would fit a doctors aproved diet, becouse those actually give the kids and parents guidance.
@aniflowers1998
5 ай бұрын
@@nickelakon5369 there is something wrong with it if it endangers ones health. Diets are no joke. Doing them wrong couses the body more harm than good. And for most kids "diets" just consist of "don't eat", or in other words: actively starving themself. They get smarter (usually) the older the get, so a 16 year old obviously will have a higher chance of doing diets in a less unhealthy way (partly becouse they know how to use resources like the internet to research), but an 11 year old? No chance. What they know about food and how it affects your body often just boils down to "food make me thick, so if I stop eating, I will get slim, and people will stop bullying me". And health risks aside, there is also severe mental damage that these things can couse! Those are a completely different can of worms, that honestly? I'm probably not qualified enough to talk about xD Interests are well and good. Wanting to live more heallthy is wonderfull! But especially in a young age, it's an adults responsibility to help children navigate them in a healthy way that doesn't endanger them. Problem is just, than even most adults don't understand how to diet healthy (which is why diets backfire so often), so how are they supose to help a child to do it healthy, unless they involve doctors/professionals? It's like rock climbing! (To visualice it) if a kid has interest in rock climbing, that great! But you wouldn't let them scale a mountain completely alone, with no eqipment, becouse you know that one wrong fall could breal their bones or even kill them.
@aniflowers1998
5 ай бұрын
(The hell is up with my comment vanishing the entire time?!) Interests are well and good. Wanting to live healthy is great! But diets are no joke. Children don't have the resources to do them in a healthy maner, and doing it unhealthy will just do more harm than good. For most kids "diets" just mean "don't eat", or in other words: they will actively starve themself. That is not only dangerous in the short run, it is also dangerous in the long run becouse that can couse stomache opening to get smaler, melnourishment, and mental damage that can lead to long lasting eating disorders. (And a bunch of other stuff) Obviously a 16 year old will have a higher chance to actually do it right, they know how to use resources like the internet and (at least where I live) school will have covered the subject of healthy eating at that point at least once. But a 13 year old? An 11 year old? Their understanding of food boils down to "if I eat it, I get fat. If I don't eat it, I get slim, and people will leave me alone". Like with every interest at a young age, it's the adults responsibility to make sure those aren't beeing acted on in an unhealthy maner that could endanger the child. But most adults themself don't even know how to properly and healthily diet, that's why the diets backfire so often. How are they supose to guid the children through it, unless they involve a doctor/professionelle? You could compare it to rock climbing, to visualice it: If a kid has interest in rock climbing, that's great! But you wouldn't let them scale a mountain alone and without equipment, becouse you know what a bad fall can lead to.
@cw442
5 ай бұрын
"I'm 15% heavier than I was in middle school" Meanwhile I'm literally twice the weight I was back then.
@lother1111
4 ай бұрын
Also, just the fact that people tend to grow a lot from middle school to being an adult in their 20's. Being 15% heavier than she was in middle school really isn't a lot, at all, unless she didn't change any physically since she was in middle school which doesn't seem to be the case
@topcat59
5 ай бұрын
Honestly she should’ve just accept the criticism and moved on instead of trying to get rid of Think before you sleep but I do feel sorry for her that she had personal information leaked by some random unhinged dude.🐱
@badasscrusader
5 ай бұрын
She could have just not included the part about mass flagging the video in her post and this would have been fine and forgotten about by now
@OthinNihon
5 ай бұрын
People don't have to accept shitty criticism. Especially when it is as misinformed as think before you sleep's.
@mullerpotgieter
5 ай бұрын
@@OthinNihonA. She literally didn't watch the video B. She was spouting fat acceptance propaganda C. Don't fucking ask for a mass flagging and get upset that people take it poorly
@Lucas-zg3hh
5 ай бұрын
@@OthinNihon He is literally an expert. A certified expert. Knowing this stuff was his job. How the hell is his criticism "shitty"?
@OthinNihon
5 ай бұрын
@@Lucas-zg3hh He literally has no expertise in nutrition or medical science. So no he is not a certified expert in anything he critiqued her on. That is what we call a lie. And misrepresenting someone's statements by editing out context that precedes them, and failing to understand what they're saying means your critique is shit.
@Optimegatrongodzilla
5 ай бұрын
To the people who claim that Illy said that being fat is good and that you can eat as much as you want without consequences to your health, no, that's not what she said. 🙄😒🤦♂️ Her "Food is just food" and "A carrot is not an inherently good food and chocolate is not an inherently bad food" phrasing might not have been the best, but anyone who isn't stupid knows that the point that she was trying to convey was that people should not be ashamed for not matching the crazily high & strict cultural expectations of how people's bodies should look. What the hell is it with people's lack of listening/reading comprehension skills these days?! It's like a large chunk of the population is somehow magically getting dumber! It should also be pointed out that in TBYS's initial vid on Illy, he left out the part after her "Food is just food" and "A carrot is not an inherently good food and chocolate is not an inherently bad food" comments where she made an exception for people with diabetes or other health conditions. Also, not all fat people are fat due to overeating. There do exist conditions that cause weight gain and there are even medications with a side effect of causing weight gain. Also, to the people claiming that Illy said that she wanted the KZitem channel of that Think Before You Sleep guy who made that response video to get taken down, that is false. She never said that she wanted his channel to get taken down, nor did she say that people should harass him. In fact, she said the opposite. She said that people should *not* harass him. Also, while Illy should have watched TBYS's initial video on her and not jumped straight to trying to get it taken down, and while TBYS might have had some genuinely worthwhile criticism(moreso in his 2nd video on Illy), he also insulted her appearance, clothing, and glasses in his initial video about Illy. Cruelty is not okay, regardless of whether or not anything else he said was genuinely worthwhile criticism. This whole situation has been blown way out of proportion and amounts to an autistic KZitemr being shat on just for trying to help teens not feel bad about themselves. Update: TBYS has apologized for the cruel things that he said in his 1st vid on Illy, which is good, so, maybe he isn't the massive asshole I thought he was. It takes character to admit when you have done something wrong and apologize for it.
for a person to gain weight they'd need to intake more energy than they need, no matter what medical condition you have this is still the case, otherwise those people would be able to survive without eating at all, as their body, according to you, is generating mass from nothing
@KhyannArts
5 ай бұрын
tbys also said he felt bad for her getting doxxed and hopes she is okay so like kudos to the guy for not endorsing doxxing just because he currently has beef with the doxxed party (i still dont like the guys since he is a transphobe but he can have this 1 w from me)
@fortnitesexman
5 ай бұрын
@@KhyannArts how is he a transphobe?..
@caramel9154
4 ай бұрын
@@fortnitesexmanor they could have a fucked up metabolism
@zorokid
5 ай бұрын
12 minutes in and I can't really say I agree with ya here. Sure she isn't fat but its not "About not being a super modal" its seems to be about her body issues, and how she feels fat. Which is a part of diet culture as she explained. Not super connected to the drama but ya, felt mean wanted to say my 2 cents. Lets finish the video lol
@AdamSlander888
5 ай бұрын
No it’s not. It’s about her likely having body dysmorphia and not changing her diet despite saying she does. Less calories in with more out is always going to make you lose weight. She is either lying or she was gaining muscle.
@cosygoose1813
Ай бұрын
I remember commenting on that illymation video. About how its still good to be in shape. And how you should eat healthy at any age. I did start to get annoyed at that channel around that time. Edit: found out i can't comment on her channel anymore. Yeah, gose to show people are 2 faced.
@philpaul9634
10 күн бұрын
I saw a comment u posted there. U didnt get banned.
@cosygoose1813
10 күн бұрын
@@philpaul9634 Then why is it not appearing?
@philpaul9634
9 күн бұрын
@@cosygoose1813 It was a 2-3 week old comment. Keep sending messages on her page maybe it will show up
@mk_gamíng0609
5 ай бұрын
I used to agree with you but I am dipping out here You did not mention the obvious jump cuts in TBYS vids , Its clear your trying to go down the middle but with obvious bias I wish you the best
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
You got that from a bad video that came out the same day as mine. After I go over hopeless Peaches I'll talk about that video.
@xoxojustno6971
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JARno, just common sense
@SkeetersGuitar
5 ай бұрын
@@xoxojustno6971 what was the common sense? Even if you include "unless you have dietary restrictions.." quote Shawn argument still stands. It's like you people never had an disagreement with someone before.
@deitythoth2339
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JARI really don't think that's a good idea, JAR. I watched the video myself and it didn't feel especially "bad", it used evidence and screenshots to back up points and brought back context to lines that were edited out. The worst thing it does is give TBYS the the most bad faith interpretations possible when he's likely just a careless idiot, but considering the amount of people who did that to Illy, what else is there? It's only bad if you're all set on the narrative that there was a "malicious deplatform attempt", even though reporting a video for genuinely believing that it's caused a wave of harrassment for good reason isn't a false flag. It's not entirely right to do without watching the video yourself, but it's also not nearly as bad as was initially presented. If you make a response that's full of things like "well clearly 'report the video for cyberbullying because it brought the absolute worst of KZitem to my comment section accusing me of all the same false things that the video did' doesn't mean what it says, it actually means "mass false flag the video because I can't handle criticism", and "People have zero control over their audiences so there's nothing that TBYS can do in response to Lily's harrassment and doxing and he's not accountable for that at all", it'll just be another drama that has nothing to do with you that you'll get nothing but bad optics from, because there isn't evidence that can form a counterargument to these things. It'll just be your opinion, and it'll be framed in a time where Illy had to move states because of antisemetic death threats from her doxers, and other horrible things that are all screenshotted. Just be extremely careful if you do respond to it, because other people are getting doxed and threatened over this too. I don't normally object to planned response videos, but I just have a very bad feeling about this.
@AdamSlander888
5 ай бұрын
@@deitythoth2339there is no way you’re trying to defend Noah samsen. That video is very obviously made in bad faith because he literally tries to make the argument “he didn’t say don’t go after her so he’s at fault she got doxxed” I didn’t realize KZitemrs had to say that literally every single video but I don’t think Noah samsen did that, so if tbys gets doxxed then he’s at fault. He also blatantly lies multiple times by saying “illymation didn’t call them to report the video” when she verifiably did. You have to be a special kind of dumb to think Noah samsen made that video for any other reason than to shit on tbys because tbys has debunked and went against a lot of Noah samsen’s garbage.
@slashbash1347
5 ай бұрын
Apples might have sugar, but it's natural sugar, so it's not that bad.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
They should be the worst thing you eat.
@slashbash1347
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Yes, at least regularly. What I'm trying to say is that no one got morbidly obese off of apples, and that sugar, like with cholestoral, isn't automatically bad.
@KingKrouch
5 ай бұрын
Yeah my nutritionist said to avoid added sugar.
@lynnboartsdye1943
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately for many people being well informed on health and diet is like navigating a freaken labyrinth. There’s extremists, misinformation, lack of education in elementary/Highschool, genetic conditions and environmental factors(food deserts), companies selling addictive “foods”, social pressures and upbringing that play into individual’s health. I believe in being proactive in your own health while keeping these things in mind. I get the sense that Ily has a warped view of health and body image and has likely been frustrated to the point that she’s acceptive to believing the fat acceptance propaganda. It may also be good to note that the 2000s and some of the 2010s had an obsession with thinness on an aesthetic level to a point where even superficial fat categorized you a fat person. So this movement going in the complete opposite direction may be partly a result of that. Not a critique on robot or other parties just kind of thinking out loud/pondering this interesting drama
@emilioi.valdez6680
5 ай бұрын
On JAR's segment regarding the fat acceptance movement, I agree with him and I'm also not a fan of it. Mostly since I see it as co-opting the body positivity movement due to folks like Lizzo essentially promoting obesity despite what public health professionals advise. While I don't have a physical deformity or defect, I do have autism which is a mental disability I was born with and can't control unlike the amount of fat a person can have on their body through food intake and exercise regularity. While I'm not representing everyone in the disabled community, I bet there's probably a few in there with similar sentiments to mine in regards to the fat acceptance community and movement.
@david2cool29
5 ай бұрын
i don't think any of you has understood the message in her video, which is... very simple, and clear: don't treat others differently because of their weight, and try not to over-obsess over weight and what you eat, because it can lead to extremely dangerous mindsets, especially for children. She also made it extremely clear IN THE VIDEO ITSELF that all this bullshit y'all are quite literally PULLING OUT OF YOUR ASSES is not what she means. Her words were taken out of context and twisted for clout, it's so ridiculous how most of you don't see that.
@emanuel4570
5 ай бұрын
illymation references to SELF werent any good
@UnluckyLilly
5 ай бұрын
Obvious Noah Sampson viewer
@david2cool29
5 ай бұрын
@@UnluckyLilly boo! 👻
@SkeetersGuitar
5 ай бұрын
What was the context?
@ΣπυροςΣτεφανιδης-δ3θ
4 ай бұрын
@@david2cool29lmao kinda funny ngl didn't expect people that watch Noah to have humour
@williamhardee8863
5 ай бұрын
I always thought the story time animator “drama” was always so overblown. It seemed so much like a semantics argument about what is and isn’t really animation, and it seemed like people who just weren’t into that type of content were condemning people just for making it.
@seandewar47
5 ай бұрын
7:47 Wait, wasn't this clip debunked by a close friend of one of the people mentioned(it was the guy eating the giant Froot Loop iirc), saying their death wasn't due to their obesity, but due to a genetic heart condition? EDIT: OK I refreshed myself, the Man was Taylor Lejeune AKA Waffler69, according to Casey Van Arsdale, who personally knew Lejeune, spoke out against Blair White(The woman in the video) and explained Lejeune's death had nothing to do with his Diet or Weight. Lejeune died due to a genetic heart condition that ran in the family. He also mentioned that Lejeune's father and grandfather also died from the same condition at a similarly young ages as well...
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
TBH I haven't looked those 4 people, I just used the clip to show the being fat isn't a good thing.
@seandewar47
5 ай бұрын
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Ah, ok, probably not the best example to use, tho
@badasscrusader
5 ай бұрын
@seandewar47 so one out of the four didn't die to obesity so it's a bad example? I don't think that's how that works
@seandewar47
5 ай бұрын
@@badasscrusader If she was wrong about one, that opens up the possibility that she was wrong about the others. It shows she might not have done as much research as she should have before potentially dragging someone's name in the mud
@UsmevavyPanacek
5 ай бұрын
What disease and would it kill them so early if they were healthy weight? Obesity not being main cause doesn't meam it wasn't a factor.
@rimfire8217
5 ай бұрын
Aristotle said any virtue taken to an extreme becomes a vice. A deficit of Tolerance is Bigotry but an excess of Tolerance is Enabling.
@paloim
5 ай бұрын
Common Aristotle W (Ignore that it's not Aristotle in my pfp, there is no Aristotle version of the meme)
@malikpierre-louis3343
5 ай бұрын
Be careful JAR she might mas flag your video.
@Andrewgtv05
5 ай бұрын
Along with Diesel Patches, Omni, sensitive soci3ty, TomDark, Iconoclassed, PeepIsAwesome, Nuxanor, Breone, Acheeto, SoLAR, Marchbaby, Wetbread, Luneist, Revoke, Kira, Papa Gut, Professor Teegs, ManiTwoTimez, Snowbrix96, More Pegasus, ToastTalks, and everyone else who Critized Illy's Video.
@SubZero-hs9xc
5 ай бұрын
You guys sure love to point a false narrative
@malikpierre-louis3343
5 ай бұрын
@@SubZero-hs9xc my comment is a joke my guy. It's obviously sarchasam.
@OttomagicCritic
5 ай бұрын
Sorry bro, but you're late for the party. Noah Samsen already cleared up all the disinformation that TBYS spreaded about Illy, someone who started this drama in the first place. If you actually watched Illy's video, she isn't saying that you should eat whatever you want without concern for your health, quite the opposite. Right before she said "Food is just food" she gave a caveat saying that unless you have some dietary rules and are genuinely overweight, you shouldn't have that much to worry about. The entire situation made me very disappointed with the commentary community when it comes to this topic. You (The CC) see TBYS spreading libel about someone else on the internet and rather than actually watching the video, you go ahead and believe what he said about her hook line and sinker. This is the community that is supposed to do research and KNOW what they're talking about before making a commentary on something, plus being supposedly "unbiased", and they rather get spoonfed information from one KZitem video out of sheer laziness. It's really pathetic.
@denysvision
5 ай бұрын
Not really? Noah has spread missionframtion and cut TBYS out of context
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Haven't see that video yet but the guy has lied before.
@OttomagicCritic
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Are you talking about Noah or TBYS.
@MylonDiggs
5 ай бұрын
I am sorry but I have to ask what disinformation did TBYS spread exactly? I saw the video and it only seemed like he was addressing the points where Illy was in the wrong about topics and giving out information that if taken at face value could be harmful to people.
@OttomagicCritic
5 ай бұрын
@MylonDiggs I already gave an example of disinformation that TBYS spread. He cut the context out when Illy said "Food is just food," he cut the part out when she said "unless you have dietary rules and genuine health problems" just so he can portray her as somebody who has no regard for other people's health. Anyone who has seen Illy's original video will back me up on this.
@IAARPOTI
5 ай бұрын
Ok but you are still bias towards think before you sleep the one who fabricated the entire life. APOLOGIZE HER.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Everyone is biased.
@IAARPOTI
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR also don't call her coward.
@IAARPOTI
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR So you are bias towards right winged incel man who has been harassing female KZitemrs and called everything woke. I have no respect for you.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Your respect is worthless
@user-ub2tc1mt1y
5 ай бұрын
If you are going to criticize someone, the least you could do is learn how to spell properly @IAARPOTI
@LvXGameMaster
5 ай бұрын
Maybe I'm dumb, JAR, but the TUMBLR image you used doesn't show Illymation telling her fans to flag a video. The post says "I advise others not to watch the video or his channel either. Do not engage. Don't give him a single second of watch time or ad revenue." JAR... I know you're better than this, show us a post where she actually told her fans to flag or report this person's video. Because it looks like she told her fans not to, and they did their own thing.
@edmundwong7740
5 ай бұрын
Exactly
@addison_v_ertisement1678
5 ай бұрын
Reporting it is bad. It will end TBYS's career.@randomspacefan
@edmundwong7740
5 ай бұрын
@@addison_v_ertisement1678no it wouldn’t
@malikpierre-louis3343
5 ай бұрын
@@edmundwong7740 I mean it would end his channel.
@addison_v_ertisement1678
5 ай бұрын
@edmundwong7740 Yes it would.
@samdurfee6093
5 ай бұрын
5:56 That’s a bad idea. The problem with extreme diets is that they are unsustainable. If you want to lose fat and keep it off you need to not diet but change your lifestyle. Make it something you’re comfortable with doing for basically the rest of your life. An extreme diet will only set you ip for failure. An example, me and my dad started Keto a few years back and my dad was happy with the new lifestyle and I was not. I liked to eat more than him, and whilst I did lose weight I couldn’t keep it off because I kept cheating. Now I’m living a more Bodybuilding lifestyle and I love it, I’ve lost a decent amount of weight and I’ve kept it off but I’ve also built a considerable amount of muscle. So my actual weight is currently higher than when I started, it’ll even out soon and my fat lose will exceed my muscle gain. My point is to find a healthy way of living that you like, extreme diets are not a lifestyle it’s just torture. Edit: I should have let you finish the whole thought, as you basically said the exact same thing I did.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
play the video a little longer to get to what I say afterword's.
@samdurfee6093
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Sry it’s a bit of a habit I’ve formed, it’s why I put the time code in the comment so that ppl know when in the video these thoughts popped into my head. I am working on being more coherent this was a case where I just got ahead of myself.
@cultreader9751
5 ай бұрын
Ideally, I'd like to be thin. I'd love to lose muscle and fat. Diet is arguably more enjoyable for me than exercise. You get compliments from people when you work out, and I hate that shit.
@samdurfee6093
5 ай бұрын
@@cultreader9751 you don’t like compliments. What’s wrong with you.
@samuelgrubb12301
5 ай бұрын
As someone who is overweight (I'm 5' 9'' and 200 lb.) Illymations video had very lukewarm takes. I doubt she followed her diet plan. Recently, I've been trying to diet and have found myself improving. Of course, this came after months (I started around August last year) and I noticed my stomach getting smaller and I've been able to fit into pairs of pants that I had outgrown prior. Even before I dieted, I had fairly good health. I work as a busboy which requires me to move and lift some serious loads. I remember someone pointed out to me how I was able to pace walk in 70 degree weather while wearing all-black. Even then, being 200 pounds at 5' 9'' is NOT healthy (my BMI is 29.5, which is classified as overweight). Food is NOT just food. Some foods ARE healthier than others. Think Before You Sleep was well within his rights to critique her video (as long as the criticism was constructive). Illymations friend shouldn't have taken the video out of context and convince Illymations to run the mass-flagging campaign. Illymation also doesn't deserved to be doxxed either. Her actions should be criticised, but doxxing is not the answer. Hopefully the doxxers will be punished and who knows? Maybe the friend who was the real bad guy will get hate spammed off the internet.
@jessica-ness
5 ай бұрын
TBYS maliciously edited illy’s video to suit his narrative, changed the entire meaning of illy’s video (illy’s video was about morality and food not nutrition advice), made very assumptions which paint illy in a bad light (e.g. critiquing her sources despite not knowing what her sources were), hid making fun of illy’s looks behind back-handed compliments and sarcastic messages and has been blaming illy for the doxxing (despite it not being remotely her fault). Additionally, what illy did was not false flagging. If illy believed the video to be cyberbullying, thats simply her opinion on the matter and whether it is cyberbullying/harassment is up to KZitem’s moderation team to decide.
@nickelakon5369
5 ай бұрын
@@jessica-nessno he didn't. For one, TBYS doesn't make videos just to respond to people, especially since he knows most of the people he's using aren't going to actually listen to him. He never takes anything she said out of context or makes her say anything she doesn't, nor does he present her as believing something she doesn't. He uses her video to respond to specific points as well as show how misinformation is spread and how important it is to do proper research.
@Yami-mugoni613
Ай бұрын
@@nickelakon5369yes he does? The whole thing about her promote obese people to eat unhealthy and not give a shit comes from TBYS video as Illy literally said to make exception for people with literally health issues
@nickelakon5369
Ай бұрын
@Yami-mugoni613 for medical needs, and while most obese people do need to diet for medical needs, most don't get prescribed one Plus that "unless you doctor says you need to lose weight" is contradictory to earlier points, later points, and the point she is currently making. You are making a steel man of her point, one that is very obviously not what she was arguing as well.
@chronenojysk5107
5 ай бұрын
Jaiden: “I had insecurities about my body image” JAR: “Don’t worry queen, your feelings are valid. I support you” Illy: “I had insecurities about my body image” JAR: “Ugh, girl you don’t look THAT bad, ok, now that you mention it, you DO have some fat. But you know, it ain’t that big of deal. Just eat your veggies and deal with it”
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Um when did I say that? I said she has some fat on her but almost everyone does.
@chronenojysk5107
5 ай бұрын
Ok, then you kinda prove my point where you did said “You have SOME Fat” The entire point of this comment is pointing out that you have Double Standard when it comes to people talking about insecurity and Illy’s point of “Diet Culture” have Merit. If a skinny and fairly attractive person (Jaiden as an exampe) talks about THEIR insecurities. THEIR Body Image. THEIR Anxiety. THEIR Mental Issues. It’s ok for THEM to talk about their issues. You even made a video defending Jaiden, tooth and nail when Daft Pina made a video on her. But when someone “with some fat” talks about THEIR body image. THEIR Insecurities. THEIR Anxiety. THEIR Mental Issues. It’s somehow a problem.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
me saying that someone has a little fat on them is proving your point? Okay.
@chronenojysk5107
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Ok, you kind of ignore everything I said so I’m just gonna repeat myself and just ask a question to get to the main point. When Jaiden made a video talking about her insecurities, her body image and how it affected her mental health. Why did you went out of your way to make a video defending Jaiden when Daft Pina made a critique video on her, but when Illy makes a video that is similar in nature to Jaiden, that compassion is almost non-existant?
@TheHellishAngel
5 ай бұрын
it's because he agrees with tbys views on fat people and is just another right wing bigot because God forbid the "unnatractive" girl has body issues and trauma yet the godly Jaiden animations had the same problems and she gets defended because in his eyes she is beautiful while illy is "a little fat"
@Dekudicklicker
5 ай бұрын
Because you decided shes not fat in your eyes also doesnt mean that others dont consider her fat, havent called her fat or that she doesnt see herself as fat. I can sit here and say im ugly and just because someone says theyd jerk it to me doesnt mean i feel less ugly LOL
@rhombusted2798
5 ай бұрын
Illy is cool
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
Woke isn’t cool
@lilithium3940
5 ай бұрын
@@Gypsygeekfreak17 the only people I hear using that term get triggered by any words associated with a group they don't like. You've been pavlov'd
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
@@lilithium3940 like you people
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
@@lilithium3940 okay wokie
@lilithium3940
5 ай бұрын
@Gypsygeekfreak17 I can just imagine however you're imagining me to justify the fact that I disagree with you. Do you see me as some fat, blue haired, poc activist libtard? Would that make it better? Would you feel all warm and fuzzy inside jacking it off to the idea that you've pissed off the right sort of person?
@diegokaqui60
5 ай бұрын
I was kinda chunky until highschool. Then I started running marathon. I turned into a stick figure with a belly. Now I work as a civil engineer and everytime I go work to the highlands or the hot jungle I lose 5 kilos everytime. You can lose weight but you have to change your eating habits and your exercises. I lost more weight working in the hot sun than exercising.
@Yipper64
5 ай бұрын
13:12 I just realized the fact that doesnt mean anything. "I am heavier than I was when I was a kid" That's called... growing up? Freaking goodness do you want to stay the weight of a small child your whole life. You grew taller not wider.
@snowballeffect7812
5 ай бұрын
how old is a kid? I haven't grown since 7th or 8th grade... I would consider that being a kid. My weight is maybe 10lbs heavier than that age when I'm no working out, 25 if I am.
@Yipper64
5 ай бұрын
@@snowballeffect7812 Im gonna say middle school is a kid, full stop. High school is like kid-teen range. Youre talking like *late middle school* when you finished growing. Which im pretty sure is average. She was saying she was heavier than presumably just the middle of middle school. Before a growth spirt.
@snowballeffect7812
5 ай бұрын
@@Yipper64 7th grade is middle of middleschool lol. I was almost already that height and weight in 5th grade... what she's saying is pretty normal...
@snintendog
5 ай бұрын
@@snowballeffect7812 given you said you were 13 earlier HMMMMMMM
@snowballeffect7812
5 ай бұрын
@@snintendog When did I ever say I was 13 lol. I was 11 in 7th grade.
@theconqueringram5295
5 ай бұрын
I hate how Illymations called her diet plan 'triggering'. HOW IS BEING TOLD TO EAT LESS HAMBURGERS TRIGGERING?! I swear, so many people are cry babies these days. Okay, like Illymation I hate my own body. For one thing, I have man boobs and a fat gut. Since 2019 I've been trying to lose weight with little success... mostly because if my awful eating habits. But I'm not going to cope about it. I do try to live an active lifestyle. I do a lot of walking, drink a lot of water and sit-ups. Anyway, Illymation's video is just bad. I want to loose weight, not to look better, but because I want to be as healthy as possible. I want to live a long life. It's all about eating a healthy diet. It's okay to eat junk food in moderation, even more okay if you don't have health issues or dietary restrictions. Now, TBYS made a good retort to Illymation. I don't agree with everything he said, or how he said it, but I feel like he did a decent job fact checking Illymation. However, did Illymation really tell any of her friends and fans to mass report him? Because if TBYS falsely said that she ordered her friends and fans to mass report him then that's a terrible thing. Either way, doxxing Illymations crossed so many lines. That was truly awful.
@malikpierre-louis3343
5 ай бұрын
In his video "Woke youtuber is trying to deplatform me" he shows a screenshot of her telling her fanbase to report the video (yes i read the thing I am not has dumb has prison mates Luke's previous fanbase) and it seemed legit.
@Starman062
5 ай бұрын
The diet could be triggering due to trauma due to poorly dieting when younger. Something that Illymation all but said she experienced.
@-ReHaven
5 ай бұрын
@@malikpierre-louis3343”her fanbase” a whole of 64 people saw the post
@adam-px2ye
4 ай бұрын
justarobots impressive incorrectness
@sirtalentless2548
5 ай бұрын
God the illymations fans getting so mad rn
@neptuneplaneptune3367
5 ай бұрын
As a fat person I can confirm I somtimes loose my balance and am at risk of falling over.
@cultreader9751
5 ай бұрын
Hopefully not near a hill.
@MrFourchords
4 ай бұрын
*lose
@North_Poley
5 ай бұрын
I dont know why so many people think that her tumblr is that popular. The most engagement from an original post have seen her tumblr is like 140 notes. If she really wanted to get TBYS off youtube, she would use her twitter that gets much more engagement. And judging on what TBYS is saying, he seem to just say that she is stupid because she is woke.
@emanuel4570
5 ай бұрын
did you watch this video?, tbys basicly said the same things
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
He's video got taken down. It is a big deal.
@caramel9154
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR what took his video down though, and do we have proof of it actually happening?
@fortnitesexman
5 ай бұрын
"she only told X amount of people to do a horrible thing" this is not even remotely a good argument dawg and TBYS specifically pointed out that she likely did it on tumblr to avoid getting banned off youtube or twitter for breaking the rules so blatantly
@caramel9154
5 ай бұрын
@@fortnitesexman asking people to report something because you think its harrassment isn't against twitter or youtube TOS (which tumblr has simmilair rules to), and even then the 'horrible thing' is asking people to report a video _if they come across it_ under the belief it is genuinely harrassment. I can see why TBYS is getting away with lying now, because apparently _nobody is actually checking his claims or asking for evidence_
@DangerDan64
5 ай бұрын
This honestly annoys me, like I stated in the live call with Lio and Akumu. If they just simply had a conversation or not assume the worst or in this case, just watch the damn video and make the opinion for yourself instead of your less educated friend. Whenever shit like this happened to me IRL when I talked about someone in school, I unironically made this remark when their friend keeps being their mouthpiece. "Does this mindless ape speak for you?!" Just so I can trigger an actual response from them. (Good thing I never said that when said friend was black or else this can be seen as something else.) Lastly, as far as I'm aware, the only person you possibly unintentionally caused was "It'sanimegirl" to quit making videos for years on end. How this might be the case, your video on her was oddly enough one of the most viewed videos on her. As well as how savage you were on mocking her line of logic. (I know this wasn't a joke, but I find it funny how you brought this up. "This is like reverse power scailing. The greater your feats are, the weaker of a character you become."
@OfficialToxicCat
5 ай бұрын
This drama kind of reminds me of a argument i was having under a video about Wall-e where someone who supported the fat acceptance movement didnt like how i didn't like the movement because of how dangerous it is. Apparently me not liking the movement makes me disrespectful. Coming from someone who ended up in the ICU for DKA several times and had to give up wheat products and fast food just to see the age of 21. I even had to leave school in the middle of class and go to the emergency room due to how sick i was.
@cosmonaut2684
5 ай бұрын
Videos that only get their information from think before you sleep are big part of this problem since in he straight up líes about what happend.
@fortnitesexman
5 ай бұрын
how does he lie?
@justsomelizardwithatophat.367
5 ай бұрын
Lmao they really all just automatically say he lies because of missing context that even makes her right at all. Your side is just arguing semantics and ignoring the greater issue.
@fortnitesexman
5 ай бұрын
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 greater issue being? i have a couple ideas of what it could be but i wanna be sure
@CrowInAHat
4 ай бұрын
Like the context makes her more right?
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
Jar ignore all the woke people in the comments don’t let them bring you down
@klonoafan2012
5 ай бұрын
Ok trump supporter don't go have a meltdown when he loses the reelection
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
@@klonoafan2012 his going to win and you will be crying
@klonoafan2012
5 ай бұрын
@@Gypsygeekfreak17 not with him supporting russia
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
@@klonoafan2012 thats funny i thought you people loved communism
@777commune
4 ай бұрын
Seething hatred of conservative types saying 'woke' constantly.
@YourWaywardDestiny
5 ай бұрын
Prayers for my fellow might-get-a-carrot-overdose fellows. It's hard out here to be so addicted to carrots.
@spaceracer6861
5 ай бұрын
Shoutout to all the bunnies that died from being fed only carrots thanks to Bugs Bunny
@thecompareablezombie
5 ай бұрын
@@spaceracer6861 Agreed, for carrots are meant to be a treat for the bunny.
@KhyannArts
5 ай бұрын
ever heard of basil brown?
@HeroofHyrule2468
4 ай бұрын
I think Illymations has body dysmorphia
@lother1111
4 ай бұрын
This video feels like the diet form of TBYS's video lmao. You say a lot of the same stuff he did and a lot of the same points. The fact that there are ppl talking shit on TBYS's video for what he said... when you're saying similar stuff and making similar points, minus the fashion/styling stuff, is really stupid and really funny lol
@haixaldonix4945
5 ай бұрын
I'm disappointed in you
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Based
@klonoafan2012
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR lmao peaches called you out
@robertbeisert3315
5 ай бұрын
Ilymation is a few months of regular exercise away from the body she wants, if those pictures are right. She just needs some shaping, not even weight loss.
@StopMotion-Dann
5 ай бұрын
while i feel some of illymations points were correct in a sense about not hating yourself for being fat the whole thing that being fat is healthy is a really bad idea
@tmbpotatoe5975
5 ай бұрын
Yeah that's what i really dislike in the end, like we won and showed Illymations that what she did was wrong, why did we have to ruin that by doxxing her? It just makes things a whole lot worse for everyone, as jar said, if it's not ok to be falsely striked, then it's not ok to be doxxed, as uncle iroh said "No prince zuko! Do not taint your victory".
@Ed-zo2ef
5 ай бұрын
What do you mean we won? Was any of the constructive bullying from tbys and his goons successful?
@tmbpotatoe5975
5 ай бұрын
@@Ed-zo2ef "like we won and showed Illymations that what she did was wrong" how did you misinterpret that as me talking about the "constructive bullying"? i was talking about how a lot of people agreed and said that Illymations falsely striking someone is wrong, especially when she didn't even watch the vedio she was striking, is your name Dillion by any chance?
@Ed-zo2ef
5 ай бұрын
@@tmbpotatoe5975 did the harassment she received after she retaliated mean winning?
@tmbpotatoe5975
5 ай бұрын
@@Ed-zo2ef you're definitely dillion cuz as i said, the 'winning' comes from telling her what she did was wrong, as TBYS said himself it's not ok to harass Illymations or anyone because you dislike them.
@Strongwind
5 ай бұрын
@@tmbpotatoe5975 ily defenders have poor reading comprehension skills.
@callmeemery8744
5 ай бұрын
When she says "diet culture" you know what she's talking about, i dont know why you're trying to pass it off as something free of any negativity. Diet culture is harmful at its base. Ive always struggled to lose weight, i tried fasting, i tried dieting, exercise, all of it. But my weight never went down, even when I developed an eating disorder (specifically anorexia and bulimia) because, as a middle schooler, thanks to some medicine i had to take, my weight gain was increased, even if i was only eating once or maybe twice a day. I cut out sugars, fats, takeout, all of that, and my weight never went down. So, instead of you shit talking Illy and just assuming shes lying about everything, you realize that everyones body is different. My weight is, according to doctors, too high. But, as for the rest of my health, its good. I used to get so dizzy i would almost pass out, since I wasnt eating enough because I was told to eat less, even though I only ate 2-3 times a day, and now I'm eating 3 meals a day, occasionally eating a snack of grapes or an apple or something, and my weight is still high, but I'm still healthy.
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
Stop being a wokie
@Dekudicklicker
5 ай бұрын
Its so wild they shit on fat people every opportunity they get but then turn around and say diet culture isnt big or doesnt exist.
@emanuel4570
5 ай бұрын
diet culture doesnt exist. all companies tell you their product is good. everyone knows what america is known for, its great fast food chains and its full of fats food, and all of them super popular. if diet culture exists it would be pushing towards people being fat and consuming more. also SELF isnt a cientific megazine or anything its purely biased content for people to engage.
@BloodySkullx
5 ай бұрын
@@emanuel4570 Funny, I remember being a kid and seeing nothing but skinny models, diet advice and any and all celebrities going on diet pills. Any fat character was just a joke about eating or was made fun of. Two things can be true at the same time. America has a sugar and fast food problem while also having a problem with treating fat people terribly and promoting insane diets.
@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh
5 ай бұрын
TBYS Defenders: “She didn’t watch the video so she’s wrong ” Also TBYS Defenders: Don’t Watch Illy’s Video in context and instead get their awareness from some rando online.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
I watched her video. Is wasn't as bad as he pained it but it was still bad.
@TiredMoonRabbit
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JARit's bad to tell people to not hate themselves or fall into the negative social standards that are put onto people, being healthy doesn't always mean having abbs and being supper fit dude, as long as you are eating properly a majority of the time and exercising a bit you'll be fine.
@justsomelizardwithatophat.367
5 ай бұрын
@@TiredMoonRabbitshe didn’t do that though she actively said it’s fine for a fat person to eat what they want aswell ignore how that can the medical reasons she herself said as addendum. Her point is still bad you’re just arguing semantics.
@TiredMoonRabbit
5 ай бұрын
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 it's not semantics, in her video she literally said that the point was to say "don't be a dick to overweight people", her point was that you should be able to eat what you want without feeling to bad about it or that you're bad for doing so not "eat whatever you want whenever you want" just that if you feel like eating chocolate today and you're trying to lose weight that fine, don't beat yourself up over it.
@justsomelizardwithatophat.367
5 ай бұрын
@@TiredMoonRabbit that’s not a good message is the point and it’s very enabling as those do lead to the “medical reasons” she herself points out. Her point should have been if you’re mostly healthy it’s fine to eat unhealthy sometimes in moderation. I think I would go a lot better or said it’s fine to have a cheat day once in a while. She really screwed her argument by specifically using a fat person eating unhealthy.
@seanoreo6739
5 ай бұрын
I... I can't watch this video. I've made it about halfway thru and this isn't meant to be a bad or negative comment. That's not my intention but as someone who I guess relates to Illy and her struggles of being called fat (i was told not be fat by my parents and siblings around me were made of for being fat)when I really wasn't and now being fat(not big fat but I'm bigger than I was), I just feel more for the story and message. My takeaway from the video was to be happy in your own body and while there are steps to take, you can also choose to be happy and for some people, like me, that doesn't change a thing. Like Illy says I think in the video, she doesn't want to make people super proud to be big like nikoavocado and the likes but to be happy where you are and to feel comfortable in your body and that it's ok to be comfy and if you're not comfy to do stuff about it. It's a mixed message but a good one is there for those who need it
@JoseCarreazo
4 ай бұрын
Dont be fat your gonna die
@VladLad
5 ай бұрын
Something that isnt mentioned is that TBYS although he covers drama topics, his area of expertise is self-help, he uses the people in the video as examples of what not to do, and then lists things they could do better with real examples. Thats why he sounded rather mean and detached, because the video was made for his fans to watch, not for ilymation.
@homelessend8557
5 ай бұрын
No matter how much you sugarcoat things, criticism will sound mean, which is something Illy doesn't understand. The people who defend her would blow a fuse if they heard about a show called Kitchen Nightmares.
@emanuel4570
5 ай бұрын
TBYS self-help is good, i some time have migranes and his advice did make things better
@SubZero-hs9xc
5 ай бұрын
It would actually help if he woudnt editing the hell out of other people videos to make them look stupid so that he can debunk them more easiky
@VladLad
5 ай бұрын
@@SubZero-hs9xc he doesnt do that tho? Not intentionally anyways. And if he played ily's videos in full he'd get his ass copystriked like darkviper did to chudlogic.
@madfronkensteen2776
5 ай бұрын
Are you deleting mean comments?
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
KZitem
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
@SweetTears105 they do
@DailyDebate24
5 ай бұрын
KZitem isn't deleting it. This robot dude is. Creators can delete comments from their comment section
@Gypsygeekfreak17
5 ай бұрын
@@DailyDebate24 nope it’s KZitem iv seen it on other channels
@thecompareablezombie
5 ай бұрын
The KZitem bot is hiding the comments of different people, after a specific word is typed out in the comments.
@DailyDebate24
5 ай бұрын
LOL did no one here watch her video or the video Noah Samsen made on the situation? Right, jump on the hate train for no reason
@jeremyusreevu237
5 ай бұрын
Noah Samsen is a dishonest midwit.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
I went over her video so yes I did watch it. Noah's video came out the same day as mine so I didn't see it till later. But I might be going over his video because it isn't good.
@snintendog
5 ай бұрын
Noah is a doxxer and a pedo his words mean NOTHING
@DailyDebate24
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR ok give me a reason why it isnt good, because in my opinion the not good video is the one that refuses to cover all the facts and perspectives
@TheHellishAngel
5 ай бұрын
@@DailyDebate24preach
@AlexandreLupin
5 ай бұрын
Illymation did nothing wrong.
@drax065
5 ай бұрын
You spam this bs on every video now? That is quite pathetic
@Dekudicklicker
5 ай бұрын
Agree
@snintendog
5 ай бұрын
Illy is a criminal
@AlexandreLupin
5 ай бұрын
@@drax065 I have evidence kzitem.info/news/bejne/soWOt4WjfaiUY34si=jvTpUgjgRG8QkCP1
@levikeith5040
5 ай бұрын
She told her fans to mass report his video for criticizing her opinions you goof
@MsKittyKristy
5 ай бұрын
I just don't understand why you would cite TBYS as a great video commentary on Illy's video when he was the entire reason she got doxxed in the first place. All he had to go off on was her Tumblr ask, that doesn't even have over 3k followers, that just asks people to report the video as cyberbullying and many people decided to take issue with that and "defend" TBYS because they are HIS followers. She literally had soyjacks made of her to mock her! She did not promote anyone to mass report, where the hell are you guys getting this viewpoint from???
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Did he tell his fans to dox her?
@silverdrag0n_
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR his video was the catalyst
@MsKittyKristy
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR No, but that doesn't mean that HIS fans weren't the reason she got doxxed. In his response video after he saw the screenshot he went over multiple times how "Illy told her fans to mass report him and how she wants him to lose his revenue" and everyone that follows him took issue with it to the point of leaking her address, sending her death threats, insulting her appearance, etc. He's promoting a rabid fanbase of people and while TBYS might have said don't attack or harass it is just to wash his hands clean and go "see guys? not my doing!"
@edorasmarauder5761
4 ай бұрын
@@MsKittyKristyThe rationalizing is insane. So he didn't tell people to dox her, but he's somehow still responsible?
@Barakon
5 ай бұрын
The first fat person I thought of was that kid that went “Miwacwe wheep”.
@RarutoUchiha2
5 ай бұрын
Really fitting that you dropped this video the same day Noah Samsen dropped his TBYS and Illymation video.
@TheHellishAngel
5 ай бұрын
Jar said it was not a good video in a comment so we already know we're he stands, with the bullies
@RarutoUchiha2
5 ай бұрын
@@TheHellishAngel Please don't be so self-centered that you thinking disagreeing with a video means JAR stands with bullies.
@MaverickhunterXZero
5 ай бұрын
Since I've seen a lot of these vids on Illymations, the way she talks makes me think she would, or tell people to sue McDonald's for getting diabetes after eating there everyday. (That happened.) Illy, like many, just don't want to take responsibility and just wants to blame everyone else for her problems. Even with her meltdown and telling her fans to attack ThinkBeforeYouSleep over a video she never bothered watching. It's not actually her fault I'm sure, it was the horrible, bigoted channel that said telling her viewers that chocolate and marshmallows is no different then fruit. To be frank; She sounds like a giant liar and was most likely the one bullying others, until one did indeed call her fat, which broke her fragile ego and she's been self-conscious ever since. Illy is the definition of an untrustworthy narrator. Throughout the entire video; Illy never mentions her weight, only telling us he's "Heaviest" she's been.
@jessica-ness
5 ай бұрын
Why are you getting mad at a hypothetical version of a person you completely made up?
@jadasilvers5236
5 ай бұрын
What about think before you sleep who cut parts of her video out where she talks about how if you're unhealthy then you should watch what you eat and how he just starts insulting her appearance for no reason
@KhyannArts
5 ай бұрын
the fruit and sweets things wasnt based on how healthy one thing or the other was but that just because you eat fruit you arent inherently a better person than someone who eat sweets. Besides illy actually showed a chat she had with one of her bullies where she is the one asking the bully to leave her alone when she tells her her outfit broke cuz she is fat, if she was the bully why not come back with something worse than being called fat?
@MaverickhunterXZero
5 ай бұрын
@@KhyannArts One; eating sweets more often then vegetables tends to make someone worse off. Believe me. two; Illy has been caught being rather dishonest, so how do we know this is an accurate portrayal of the situation? Even if it is, I've seen how harassers using such language to pain them as a victim after their victim has had enough and - when you only have one side of the story.
@KhyannArts
5 ай бұрын
@@MaverickhunterXZero eating more sweets makes you more evil/morally corrupt?
@BoxyBrown717
5 ай бұрын
Also Noah Samson has decided to throw his hat in the ring and make things even worse for Ily lmao.
@jakelockley4693
4 ай бұрын
"Make things sorse for lily" Lol
@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster
4 ай бұрын
@@jakelockley4693 He did though Noah Samson is despised for a good reason
@jakelockley4693
4 ай бұрын
@@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster i dislike him but he said true things in the video
@malikpierre-louis3343
4 ай бұрын
@@jakelockley4693 He only made like one or two valid points.
@caramel9154
4 ай бұрын
@@thedarkmasterthedarkmasteris it because he's 'woke!!!' Or whatever the fuck
@dexstrat8726
5 ай бұрын
Mass report is a stretch considering her tumblr following is WAYYYY smaller than her youtube following. She has around 3k or less on her tumblr and also barely got anyone to actually flag it. Think before you sleep just left this out to blow her actions out of proportion. Think before you sleep also said nothing to his audience about not sending hate their way (which wouldnt have done much but wouldve at least helped some). And she was being cyber bullied in her comments due to her being jewish and because think before you sleep edited and misinterpreted her argument (thankfully you used the full clip unlike he did). Her comments were filled with (what was essentially hate speech. Not to mention he just said a bunch of slippery slope arguments to make her seem much much worse. I took her video as “feeling fat doesnt make you unhealthy especially if its based on a preconceived notion society feeds you” which I have struggled with when comparing myself to my peers. Maybe she shouldve made this message more clear but think before you sleep misrepresenting her argument and making it seem like she was telling kids its ok to be obese is a lie. She also left her house and broke her lease because a bunch of think before you sleep’s fans were calling for her death. So while illy was wrong for reporting the video for cyber bullying because it technically wasnt think before you sleep did essentially rally a huge hate train on her by editing her vid and taking things out of context. Then when she reported him for starting this hate train he blew it out of proportion and got her doxxed.
@fortnitesexman
5 ай бұрын
it doesn't matter how many people she told to flag his video, her doing it at all is the problem and saying TBYS is responsible for he getting doxxed is just silly, it's the doxxer's fault for being a lunatic and illy's fault for being a terrible person
@dexstrat8726
5 ай бұрын
@@fortnitesexman her doing it at all is a problem and I now know that she isnt faultless but neither is TBYS and its weird that JustARobot said he didnt agree with some of TBYS’s opinions but didnt mention then and just dog pilled illy instead of coming at TBYS as well
@JoseCarreazo
4 ай бұрын
@GreatGreenGoo
5 ай бұрын
You can eat whateer you want but accept that if you do, you will gain weight and most people (not all) dont find overweight people attractive. Thats just the way it is and 'fat acceptance' isnt going to change what people are attracted to
@DriverOfTheBlades
5 ай бұрын
Guys, watch the video before you comment, just a daily reminder :)
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
Thumbnail has been fixed.
@HotaruIchimaru
5 ай бұрын
What was the previous thumbnail???
@Amelia_Daughter_Of_Rosalina
5 ай бұрын
I don't agree with her video but this drama is stupid
@_xeere
5 ай бұрын
Nah TYBS was way out of line in that video he made. I remember watching it and being genuinely shocked. He calls her ugly, says her forehead is too big and she dresses like an old woman or a homeless person. He calls her a liar and says she was overeating based on one picture of her holding a milkshake. He says she has no fashion sense and how she's just an airhead who picks clothes "because she thinks they look pretty" without thinking first and that she should learn to dress herself properly. He calls her mum a liar, says that her doctor was unqualified, says that her personal trainer was both unqualified and a liar, and speculates about her health conditions. The whole thing is mostly just insults and speculations, which is a consistent trend in TYBS's videography.
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
You got that all from a bad video that I will be going over.
@AdamSlander888
5 ай бұрын
You got all that and yet. Her personal trainer was a horrible personal trainer, she is definitely not smart for getting a personal trainer when she just wants to lose weight and going to a dietitian. She does dress like her mom dressed her but when she actually tries to look good she does. She’s pretty when she tries instead of wearing what a 14 year old would wear. If you’re not losing weight especially with all she had it’s either 1. Because she was overeating or 2. Because she was gaining muscle. If you’re on a diet and you’re gaining weight you’re clearly not following it. That dress looked godawful for her style as well. She does have a larger than normal forehead and can cover it up like she does normally and there’s no way in hell you can actually think her glasses don’t look like the kind your grandma wears
@_xeere
5 ай бұрын
@@AdamSlander888 Try taking to real people (women if you can manage it) and see what they think it's out of line. He's crossed it in his video and you have with this comment. I hope you wouldn't say stuff like this to someone's face.
@guerreiroazul3230
5 ай бұрын
He just said things the way they are, Illy was either lying, had an awful trainer, or she found a way to make a body that's losing more mass than it's gaining maintain its weight, which is scientifically impossible. And do you know what's actually crossing a line? Trying to ruin someone's livelihood because they were mildly mean to you. If Illy was a man would you be seeing the situation the same way?
@_xeere
5 ай бұрын
@@guerreiroazul3230 So in your world, "telling it like it is" is just making up whatever you want to be correct? You talk about science as if there is anything even remotely scientific about this. You don't know what she eats, you don't know how much she weighs, you don't know how much exercise she does or her body-fat percentage or metabolism. We know literally nothing about her and you are just making things up. I'm not sure why you think I would see it any different if she was a man, but I wouldn't. You can't just make a bunch of shit up about someone then call them ugly and stupid in a KZitem video. You're acting as if this guy is entitled to get paid a living wage for making low effort rant/disinformation videos online. He actually isn't. If he makes videos that break the ToS, gets reported for it, then gets banned, that's entirely his fault. If he want to avoid that, he could make videos of a higher quality. Ones that don't wildly speculate about random things and that don't needlessly insult people.
@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster
4 ай бұрын
Lol the people in this comment section are coping and repeating Noah's talking points without thinking. "Illly didn't tell people to false flag the video she just said to flag the video" absolute brain rot
@caramel9154
4 ай бұрын
i mean, do you have proof she said to falsely flag the video on a mass scale?
@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster
4 ай бұрын
@@caramel9154 It's funny the same people who comb over edgy jokes conservatives make due to it potentially being a dogwhistle to the nonexistant alt right pipeline are so generous with their interpretation
@caramel9154
4 ай бұрын
@@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster I'm taking that as a no on the proof then.
@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster
4 ай бұрын
@@caramel9154 Even if I had proof I can't share it due to how youtube filters out links. The proof is in her tumblr post. Kick rocks simp
@CrowInAHat
4 ай бұрын
@@caramel9154 To be fair, it was on TBYS’s video on her, but the Tumblr post she made did elude to the idea for anyone reading her post to flag down his video. Dunno if you’ll take his word for it, but that’s honestly as much proof as I can give considering I don’t have a Tumblr
@Barakon
5 ай бұрын
Y’a know apples can be quite healthy If they’re of the *piney* variety. *gets shot then ran over by train *
@cyberdoga5728
4 ай бұрын
about around 8:20 , there's actually a lot of different factors when it comes to adolescent body consciousness but the major one in my mind for this argument is how children can develop a form of body negativity from imperfections especially when being compared to the more desirable body types which then leads to actual unhealthy behavior trying to be desirable. I also feel like this video has a very noticeable flaw when among the first points was the fact that ily as she is at the moment is not a fat person when she was telling an anecdotal story about herself back in middle school. Also the TBYS has some major issues regarding bad faith arguments, there's a lot of context removing editing but the one that stuck out to me the most was when he called out the use of a magazine as a source. Believe it or not scientific magazines often are built to paraphrase peer reviewed journals in a more digestible format and are pretty decent secondary sources and are not like most tabloid magazines you can run into at an impulse isle. Some of these magazines for example Discover are also peer reviewed. TBYS then caps this point by comparing the use of a secondary source to an anecdotal source which to me is very telling about their intellectual honesty.
@cyberdoga5728
4 ай бұрын
Sorry about continuing this in the replies but a major contention point I have with TBYS's video is how he heavily implies that ilymation is advocating for actually unhealthy behavior which I am very disheartened to see actually continued to be the case with a lot of other videos including this one sadly, which based on the statements made in the video she made is not what the point of the video is. What I took out of the video was about how you should avoid very tragic psychological traps when maintaining your health. Also jesus christ ever heard of the slippery slope before?
@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh
5 ай бұрын
You gonna need to watch "Think before you dox" Jar
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
5 ай бұрын
I did, it was not a good video. I will be going over it after I talk about the peaches stuff.
@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh
5 ай бұрын
@@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Okay, but best to think about it what you saw from, otherwise more evidences may come out in the future
@horrordragon2010
5 ай бұрын
@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR Peaches oh lord 😢
@TheHellishAngel
5 ай бұрын
@@aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhyup and that evidence may lead to lawsuits due to Illy having to fork over 10 grand to get out of her apartment because these right wing nut jobs don't like her views
@KingKrouch
5 ай бұрын
Noah Samsen has a relationship with Illymations so it's clearly a conflict of interest going on. Also Noah has liquid ass takes 99% of the time, much like EthanIsOnline. Also these same people want TBYS to take the blame for other people, and yet simultaneously don't think hbomberguy pressured a guy to end it. @@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR
@DoctorTex
5 ай бұрын
After seeing this whole problem and learning that TBYS video was cuting out information, I have come to my conclusion. Everyone's an idiot.
@snintendog
5 ай бұрын
cuttting information WHERE?
@DoctorTex
5 ай бұрын
@@snintendog The campfire scene. You can clearly see a jump cut where the device was in a kids hand and turned off, and suddenly it's on the chair and lit green. The omitted information was along the lines of "Unless it's for medical or diet reasonings" before saying it's okay to eat whatever you want. I'm not taking Illy's side on this either, she shouldn't have acted the way she did, TBYS shouldn't have acted the way he did, the users on 4chan shouldn't have acted the way they did (but it's 4chan, what are ya gonna do?) so therefore, no one is blameless, and everyone is at fault.
@snintendog
5 ай бұрын
@@DoctorTex nope dont see your lies
@DoctorTex
5 ай бұрын
@@snintendog Check the original video, and not the truncated clip.
@snintendog
5 ай бұрын
@@DoctorTex already did there is NOTHING cut
@altgirl-o8w
Ай бұрын
Bro have you ever heard of body dysmorphia. Shit is fucking brutal. Sure you may look into others but you can never see what other people see unfortunately that's basically what it does to you
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