I like how old models make it seem like their copeing with the horrors of the universe
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
They had to live in a world where the prophet Duncan didn’t yet spread the word of thinning paints. It was a hostile world for models when the threat of horrifically thick coats can manifest at any time. Thanks for watching!
@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2
2 ай бұрын
@@KrakDuk When are we getting the catachan invasion of chaos video
@koichidignitythief7429
2 ай бұрын
Best way to explain their melty faces I guess
@montecarlowithdawningornam1817
2 ай бұрын
I like the newer proportions but i compleatly agree about the weapons. Heavy guns need to look heavy.
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Totally fair! I think the big guns are probably what I miss most, I was dissapointed that the desolators had weightless poses despite having some of the biggest guns. Thanks for watching!
@ratman7976
2 ай бұрын
The new models to me are soulless
@montecarlowithdawningornam1817
2 ай бұрын
@@ratman7976 fair. Lots of that energy the old ones had is gone
@rodolfomartinezee4739
2 ай бұрын
I hope that as time goes on, and we get new models, they incorporate details from their army of origin. And not these overpriced "upgrade" kits that are sold separately. Fuckin hate those.
@radcut7404
2 ай бұрын
Looking at you, desolator squad
@aidan-h3p
2 ай бұрын
One good thing with old models is how durable they are. No 100-part messes of spindly bits here, just 3 chunky nuggets of plastic, inexorably conjoined by enough glue to lather an elephant into an indestructible monolith of hobby might that will stand for an eternity against the dark beneath half an inch of brightly coloured paint. I think the poses are one of the stronger points of modern minis, but I do find the overly dynamic ones to be a bit immersion breaking. Its like imagining Ragnar Blackmane in his crazy jumping pose hovering across the table, frozen in time and thus paradoxically less dynamic than a mini with a more neutral pose.
@tf2warhammerdude
2 ай бұрын
They're very durable. I had a RTB01 space marine on my bed, and I accidentally dropped a knife while walking by, so to prevent my fall is grabbed onto my bed as hard as I could. Bad news, I'm a little under 200 pounds and the RTB01 broke in half, good news, he broke in half at his waist, so the plastic didn't actually break, and I caught my fall. Even after 43 (circa 2024) years the model still holds firm.
@KayleyWhalen
2 ай бұрын
Yes, durability, ease of assembly, major pluses. So frustrated assembling some of the newer models, took out some of the joy I used to experience.
@rawntech_7820
2 ай бұрын
Heroic scale models are some of, if not THE best models around
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
REAL
@rawntech_7820
2 ай бұрын
@@KrakDuklove the videos man, thanks for making them!
@Hello-bp8dx
2 ай бұрын
Maybe EVER
@the98themperoroftheholybri33
2 ай бұрын
I paint sci fi, fantasy, and historicals, I much prefer painting big heads and big hands
@somanymodsithurts8637
2 ай бұрын
Except for Magnus. Magnus is the exception
@Heat_Lance
2 ай бұрын
The old models were designed to look good on the table. The new models were designed to look good on Instagram.
@Dram1984
24 күн бұрын
This is a very important point that also applies to a lot of “modern painting” techniques.
@social_ghost
2 ай бұрын
To add to #3: these models are meant to be painted and often you have to paint a lot of them so the more detailed they are the harder they are to paint for new painters and the more time they take to paint. To me it feels like every new model is designed to be a display piece first and a war game piece second which is a complete pain when you are trying to paint an entire army and really really intimidating when you are a new painter. Even space marines the poster boys of "easy starter army" have gotten a lot more detailed recently. Also my hot take, what some people call detail I call visual noise and cluttered design. Readability should be more emphasized in model design than it currently is.
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Ya I really feel this with the cadians. Even on a display level I sometimes find the extra details to take away from the model as a whole. Like you said the details can just become visual noise and breaking up strong designs with them can hurt the overall composition. Back to cadians the straps, trinkets, and other little design bits are cool in theory. But in reality I feel they just break up the guard’s simple but powerful design, especially when they’re massed up. The colors of these details hurt readability like you said. Thanks for watching!
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Hope everyone enjoys this one! Its a bit different than my usual stuff so let me know what you think. Also let me know what kind of minis you prefer! Thank you everyone
@plasticbag4102
2 ай бұрын
I dont know if id say this is different for you with your old models that i think are better video
@breadguy6060
2 ай бұрын
@@KrakDuk one of the best if not the best video Iv ever seen
@cloudsmith8220
2 ай бұрын
Great discussion and cool explanation on your opinions with fun and love for the hobby! You’re always enjoyable to watch, and I think adding excitement and love in for something is always more constructive than dogging on what you don’t like, which this achieve brilliantly 😊
@coltonschroeder2092
2 ай бұрын
*everyone loved that* Side note, every time I play Helldivers 2, I pretend I'm a guardsman. It's like a pseudo form of 40k crack 😂
@angeredgnome
2 ай бұрын
is good video
@evilpotatobeanenjoyer894
2 ай бұрын
Theres just something so loveably goofy about them
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
@@evilpotatobeanenjoyer894 for real, that’s one of my favorite aspects of them. Thanks for watching!
@reverenddmo8944
2 ай бұрын
As The Bard once said, the task of a tabletop gaming model is primarily to act as a playing piece that has to be recognisable at range. Detail can be a huge obstacle to this, especially when it's the element that seems to be considered the most important in the case of some miniatures.
@munooro
2 ай бұрын
Too many people say they prefer primaris marines to firstborn because of the better proportions and scale, not realizing that the discussion was always about the inherent design and art direction of the models. Proportions and scale all being equal, the old marines look less soulless and actually have personality compared to just giving an intercessor with their boring helmets and ugly flared kneepads a different gun and calling that “variety”. 😊
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Yeah totally! When I say I like heroic scale I refer to the art direction. To me it’s like in video games where a game will have super realistic graphics but nothing else versus a game with middling graphics but fantastic art direction. I think the nature of computer modeling just makes a lot of the sculpts look homogenous. Which is technically good for something like space marine armor, but in reality it feels soulless to me. Thanks for watching!
@locan9937
2 ай бұрын
on the topic of simplicity: As someone who has no experience in painting minies but plays with the thought of one day trying out painting some salamanders, those intricate models look intimidating as hell. So simplicity also is more newbie friendly I d say.
@cyanideinmycereal1077
2 ай бұрын
At least in my experience the bigger “intimidating” models are a lot easier to paint. Like I’m painting a Mortarion right now, very big and complex, and I just paint what I want. Trying to make a cool moth-brown grey white blend right now. No one is gonna tell on you for painting a model over a long period of time. If it looks cool, paint it if you want. The complexity will work itself out if you put in the time to make it look good.
@vonkug
2 ай бұрын
I don't dismiss taking time to paint your shit to look good, but my 2000 point 3rd edition Guard Army could probably be completely redone in the time it took for the paint to dry. Maybe I'm simping Cadia one day, boom done. Hell, maybe I want all of them to have >:( faces. (Who am I kidding they already do).
@wailmerpail
2 ай бұрын
Just go for it, add colors to each detail and it will work out
@alexandrlidin2323
2 ай бұрын
Absolutely agreeing on the issue! For me it kinda feels like GW tend to lose 'intent' on a model nowadays and just replace it with a mess of details. Just compare old Devastators to modern Desolators - with the former, the 'big guy hauling a big gun' idea is hammered into your eyes with a literal visual warhammer, while with the latter it feels like the designers were afraid of leaning into any one particular concept so they just stuck somewhere in the awkward middle like an AI painting. Keep up the great work, mate, spitting the truth of silly plastic soldiers!
@thebigm7558
2 ай бұрын
9:11 Exactly! Perfectly summed up. The only other thing I want to add is that the old Cadians are insanly customisable
@rawntech_7820
2 ай бұрын
I love the 8th edition Gravis captain, because he was my first model, and at the end of the day, I know he’s not the coolest, but he’s got the most attached to him for me, and that’s what counts
I totally agree. The black Templars have some of the coolest new models to me. I love hellbrecht and the castellan the most Thanks for watching!
@rosiebull5338
2 ай бұрын
0:57 " why I the heroic love scale"
@hawkeye943
2 ай бұрын
The statue of David has a weapon. It is a sling. Not quite 40kish but he did take down a giant.
@nicolausg7058
2 ай бұрын
I feel the same in case of Space Marines. Old model had that nice thing. Can't call it by name, but it feels diffrently. Sitll feels wierd when I see the new primaris models and the old models in my Dawn of War save.
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Ya along with the things I listed here, there’s a certain allure to old models I can’t fully describe. Just love that old aesthetic, thanks for watching!
@ThuglasElBosso
2 ай бұрын
The 9th Edition Eldar Warlocks do look great, but there's something fundamentally masterful about the 1st Edition Eldar Warlock. I don't know how they managed to make the perfect version of a Space Elf Wizard on the first try, but by Jove, they sure did.
@ToastedMap1e
2 ай бұрын
The hunkering down pose for the kasrkins was actually my favorite pose and the only reason I got the kit , it looks like a buttery stride , I think it's sick lmao
@krzysztofzacharjasz8469
2 ай бұрын
MK7 marines are my favourite, in my eyes they had more character in the poses and the angry helmet was pure perfection… also I liked the old bolters better, especially with heavy bolter and it being belt fed from an ammo backpack
@TemplarBlack.
2 ай бұрын
"Artists have the freedom to bend reality to their will" Oh my emperor, artists are psyker confirmed everyone
@claytontaylor9516
2 ай бұрын
I like the newer models, because in my mind I'm thinking of the grim dark universe. When I first read a warhammer book describing the space marines or the struggling guardsman fight back against the opposition I pictured something closer to the new models, and when I looked at the older models it just didn't feel right. I love your videos. Please keep it up!!!
@the98themperoroftheholybri33
2 ай бұрын
Their facial details are bigger so they're more observable on a tabletop, the model can be enjoyed from a distance, you can see what expression they're making or what pose they're in really easily, which helps with fantasy and sci fi narratives. Typically "true scale" minis are also historical minis, so usually feature much larger armies where that sort of detail is less important due to the sheer amount of models on the table. Seems to be GW is subtly hinting they want games to have many more models
@ICanDoTheDuckWalk
2 ай бұрын
The issue I see with this is that they also insist on cramming an obscene amount of detail on each new mini. Sure it’s impressive from a technical perspective, but man is it a chore to paint every model’s 20 pouches and fanny pack.
@duvalro4033
2 ай бұрын
I agree that older models were better at exaggerating features but I think newer tyranid models portray the whole scary bug theme better
@darkdarius
2 ай бұрын
Migel Angelo`s david has those proportions because its meant to be seen from ground level so perspective will shrink those big features like the head or hands. Its a real testament to the genius of an artist.
@anatoliyromsa9894
2 ай бұрын
As a person who was introduced to warhammer during the 6th edition only MK7 space marines are true space marines for me. That’s why I was incredibly happy when I bought myself box of Space Wolves Grey Hunters! Primaris poses are generally good, the quality is great but they are boring to paint for me and not those space marines I felt in love
@NotEmperorPalpatine
2 ай бұрын
Old models had so much character! Especially when you look at some of fhe old badass models. I still use them!
@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ
2 ай бұрын
One thing you didn't mention is that old guard is objectively superior because they fixed bayonets! STRAIGHT SILVER! DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER?! *awesome guitar solo noises*
@janhornak5739
2 ай бұрын
* Bagpipes noise intensifies *
@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ
2 ай бұрын
@@janhornak5739 man, the Saint Sabbat series broke me. I'm taking a break and reading a psychology book instead
@janhornak5739
2 ай бұрын
@@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ Poor Bragg and others. F*ck Cuu.
@MusicFreak0426
Ай бұрын
“Just like a guardsman, there are a lotta stupid hills that I would die on.” That line goes hard af actually
@tomemaster1744
2 ай бұрын
The Silohette is more identifiable in Oldhammer. However, I like both. I think Heresy does an EXCELLENT JOB of modernising the silohettes. It's why I like the First Born Marines, even in 40k. I don't care if they are pants compared to Primaris (that comes from Marine Range Bloat). They are identifiable from a distance.
@sparrowsbewertungen6930
2 ай бұрын
I love the old drednought 😢 the boxnought... i wish they just rescaled it
@Bill-uw1oo
2 ай бұрын
Old school Heroic scale models look like RTS units brought to life. Its hard not to like that charm.
@PoorManatee6197
2 ай бұрын
Agree with everything you said in this video, this is why as a fantasy fan I'm so happy to see old models return rather than having the whole range updated. I will add from a painting perspective having so much details on every miniature can get very tiresome, it is great for characters but I don't need every guardsman to be so unique when it is going to die on turn 1 anyway. And from a modelist perspective old miniatures were so much more easy to convert, nowadays everything is casted so this specific body goes with this specific arms and head and thats it. Something as simple as taking an arm from a kit to use on another kit already requires making cuts, using greenstuff to fill the gaps and make it look ok...
@pablogonzalezl.5988
2 ай бұрын
Man, your videos are really great! They are extremely fun! I don't collect minis, I'm more oriented to Action Figures, recently I found Warhammer 40K 1:18 scale articulated figures from Joy Toy. They motivate me to investigate more about Warhammer. Have you ever think of making a video about Warhammer Action Figures?
@sebastianhovenas272
2 ай бұрын
I really, really, really, really liked this video style! Also my favorite old model is either the black reach ork warboss or the ol' boxnaught
@roamingfaber4302
2 ай бұрын
I agree with both sides, its cool to see someone talking about the herioc scale in favour
@kris220b
2 ай бұрын
new guard are such a pain to paint, i bought the field ordnance guns, and it honestly took me longer to paint the crew, than sculpting and painting all the sandbags i added infront of the guns there is: the armor the cloth the boots the bootstrap thingies the face the goggles the gloves the belt the buckles the holsters the back canister the straps for said canister
@dd11111
2 ай бұрын
I agree with 100% of what has been said here. I do appreciate seeing Space marines having somewhere to carry their ammo. But the more characterful and exagerated designs are far superior. Old heroic scale (except the hight) for the WIN!)
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Ya I agree. If the old marines were at least a bit taller than guardsmen they’d be perfect to me lmao. The feel and art direction of old models with the heights of new ones would be stellar. Thanks for watching!
@misterglo1394
Ай бұрын
Binging all your videos, I’ve gotta say I love your guardsman character. He’s just a happy lil guy with the videos topic appearing around him, and I love how he subtly changes in some videos
@psittacis5431
2 ай бұрын
I really, really, really, really liked this video style
@D3Fanatic
2 ай бұрын
Bro facts, especially the Space Marines, the bulky look services them so well.
@NicolaiVE
2 ай бұрын
I like the new marines, but love the old guard! It's all about personal preferences 😊
@packe93
2 ай бұрын
You are truth. And especially on point 3, that's something all the 3D printing sculptors need to take heed of. So many are so stuffed with in my opinion unnecessary opinion because they can.
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah I couldn’t agree more. I think a lot of 3d printer sculpts are impressive just knowing the skill it took to make, but as an actual thing they fall a bit flat to me. A lot of 3d printers seem to just cram as much details as possible, but end up not translating for minis and are difficult to print. Thanks for watching!
@grandpajerry764
2 ай бұрын
On the note with Michaelangelo’s David is that its acually common in old sculptures and paintings for man stuff to be smaller because it was considered more manly and attractive at the time. Its akin to how fashion and the standard for beauty has changed over the years. If I’m mistaking this for the reason for “David” specifically I know this is a fact of at least the time leading up to the renaissance.
@V0IV0DE
2 ай бұрын
3D print stuff, and you can have all the Chunky models and guns you want. Also, Infinite supply of MKVI Helmets. But I do agree with some older models aesthetics.
@videengqvist5777
Ай бұрын
Thank you krak duk for being the guy who got me genuinely interested in warhammer. I’m getting my first minis in a week and I can hardly wait.
@Cornysaucer
2 ай бұрын
I love this channel. The simple animations and just casual talking to the fans about any piece of content of 40k, it makes it very easy to enter and enjoy. Keep up the great work!
@nicholasd7107
2 ай бұрын
Great video. I’ve been binge watching your content lately. You’ve got a really fun channel, keep it up!
@scritoph3368
2 ай бұрын
Look, I didn’t really like how they decided to metaphorically represent Abaddon’s relative helplessness in the universe by making his old mini not have arms, but you do you ig
@yodamen1237
2 ай бұрын
I honestly like the newer models but I respect your opinion and do agree on some aspects
@DominatorLegend
2 ай бұрын
There's a reason why so many old models have become absolutely iconic while newer ones struggle to make themselves noticed.
@pedronogueira5267
2 ай бұрын
The only thing I can't quite like on old designs is how...... how can I say it........ vertically resized they are. They mostly lose just height while still being chunky, and I love the argument on how big guns gotta be big and how the dynamic poses are simply superior, but they all look like midgets. I can see that chunky design working greatly for votann, for example, but aeldar midgets just look too silly for me.
@supersoldier8629
2 ай бұрын
As a krieger, i will die with you on the hill that saying korps wrong is funny. it absolutely is. on a more serious note, i think a lot of the problem with modern 40k posing comes from the fact that each pose can be slightly modified in most cases. that drunk Kasrkin guy is a good example. even just turning his head or switching the plasma for a meltagun instantly changes how good or bad the pose looks.
@willtreaty011
2 ай бұрын
Well, the classic space marine look is iconic, especially the helmet (and honestly I prefer older bolters to bolt rifles), but I absolutely hate the tactical marines proportions. I'd have no issue with them if they made them just less squat. The fucked up proportions ruin the mini for me, honestly
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Ya, While I like the aesthetic they are definitely too short. Because of that I really like the space Marine heroes firstborn, I think if those got a multipart kit it would be perfect
@UndyingCaesar
2 ай бұрын
This dude has slowly become my favorite 40k channel keep up the good work
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! Glad you like the videos
@denmasterben2348
2 ай бұрын
i agree. i feel like the whole point IS to be over the top... the new stuff looks too clean and too realistic. its lost its x factor.
@af21857
2 ай бұрын
This is why I like AoS models so much. They take the fantastic new technology and continue with the silliness and goofy OTT designs that I’ve always liked. They look like fantasy models, just better, without compromising on absurdity. One of the new lines is literally bdsm elves riding turtles and sharks and stuff and I love it
@40kravioli48
2 ай бұрын
My Dad used to paint Minis, so when i started I got loads of heroic scale 90s miniatures from him . Still some of my favourite models
@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436
2 ай бұрын
My favorite old mini is that crouching charging Kasrkin, while my favorite new one is the Sternguard Veteran with the Mk VII helmet.
@nicholasevans3994
2 ай бұрын
As someone who only started making and painting 40K with the 9th Edition starter box (10th dropped immediately afterwards, but we won’t talk about that), I will say that you’re right and the Mark VII helmet is absolutely the coolest Space Marine helmet
@Khilkhameth
2 ай бұрын
Scream Guardsman is awesome.
@godofthearena6380
2 ай бұрын
Love the video and the best looking old imperial guard model has to be the the vostroyan banner man fucking epic
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Ooh yeah he’s my favorite banner bearer. I had a chance to get him a bit back but I forgot about the bid😫 Thanks for watching!
@theRemyLuna
Ай бұрын
I never even got into 40k until late 9th edition. However after generous research of all the older editions especially 2nd and 3rd, the "old" hold a special place for me simply because of everything you speak to in this very video. Also you got a new subscriber :D
@Reaper1914a2
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I don’t mind the og models they are cool
@johnsupergeil7098
2 ай бұрын
My old vostroyans run laps around the new cadians in style
@Gunthersby
2 ай бұрын
I'm given to understand David's modest size is related to smaller being better in some old cultures. Alternatively, undersizing could be an artist equivalent of lowlighting to help remove attention from what's less important
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Yeah joking aside I believe that small penises were seen as more distinguished and associated with intelligence in the time. I could also imagine how a huge dong would be distracting lmao Thanks for watching!
@Slamander_Man
2 ай бұрын
Please make like a painting tutorial with everything you need,shading and stuff. Love your channel!
@Texas_guy76
2 ай бұрын
I play Space Wolves, I've got alot of Primaris, but I try to get alot of first-born, they are just better! They have more character and fit better with my army 🐺 Also i REALLY REALLY REALLY like this video style 😂
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah the space wolves firstborn are especially good compared to their primaris counterparts imo. They have a lot more cool bespoke models, instead of just being repaints. I hope in the future GW expands the primaris line to have more chapter specific units. I actually really like what they did with the black Templars Thanks for watching
@theshamurai32
2 ай бұрын
I've started a side project proxy Death Guard army because I had some old heroic scale Marines that weren't useful for actual Space Marines. They have unironically become some of my favorite minis to use, the proportions are so much more fun and stylized, and they look appropriately wide and boxy.
@Kolyats
2 ай бұрын
I liked the topic. I’d love to see you talk about my favourite little guys, the genestealers they do also have some guard elements.
@IAmJustAPersonOnTheInternet
2 ай бұрын
How is this man just the best warhammer KZitem around. Like great art and great comedy. It’s just amazing
@RickardLejonhjarta
2 ай бұрын
GW should rerelease the old Tacticals box. Even if it doesnt have rules, just for the painters and collectors. They already have the molds, its a free money printer
@jetpilledmyron2056
Ай бұрын
The older models' sole problem in the pictures provided is their painting. With a more precise and detailed painting, these already charming lads and lasses are a 10/10
@lawindacera7219
2 ай бұрын
old Krieg minis look better than the new ones from the KT kits
@delusional_drip
25 күн бұрын
100% agree with the defense of heroic scale! I would love to see a kind of remaster set to release with the og models using the new technology.
@Hurricanelive
2 ай бұрын
imo heroic scale lends itself to authentically showcasing the intended art style of the franchise. It's like Battletech ugly for me, I LOVE Battletech ugly, it aesthetically showcases that world. Same with Bolt Action and real historic games like Star Wars, those games are realistic. Things like character, feel, simplicity, heroic had it in spades. WH had that grim dirty Battletech ugly artstyle all of its own I loved. Now it's gotten clean and sterile, even Star Wars and other franchises moved from a gritty 80's feel to more clean, more detailed but not necessarily better, just they got away from what they once were based off. I like the old style, I like it because I like it and that's it.
@RhiannaAtriedes
2 ай бұрын
Technically, the new drukhari drazhar is better, but he barely stands out from other incubi. Old drazhar looks like something from an 80s slasher film mixed with scifi, and its just so much cooler. The druchii agree!
@jestingacorn
2 ай бұрын
The new models seem more corporate. Exp, I love old scout models because of their insane detail, but the new ones are really clean cut cookie cutter soldiers.
@babyman177
2 ай бұрын
The reason why i fell in love with 40k in the first place was that everything was so extreme and over the top. They should look the part as well
@kiwisteve4049
Ай бұрын
Great video. It's nice to hear that I'm not crazy for thinking a lot of the old models were great and some of the new ones are missing something.
@fergaloconnell1535
2 ай бұрын
I agree so much I've started buying the old 80s and 90s dwarf minis because I love some of the clearly hand sculpted details. They also have a great example of good but not realistic since these old dwarfs have a stomach then feet like there is no space for legs
@Itsaplatypuse
2 ай бұрын
You have very good arguments, but for me, a person who was introduced to the 40K universe thanks to projects like Astartis, the old models look rather ridiculous and over-stylized. But yes, quite a few of the new models do not convey the spirit of form determines function, a spirit that the old models conveyed very well. But the proportions of the old models, where the space marines can touch their knees without leaning over, are quite absurd and give them a monkey-like resemblance. In conclusion, no one will care if we mix old and new models in our armies, after all we can always use kit or scratch bash to change them up a bit.
@_Morph1ne_
2 ай бұрын
Mark VII and III will always be the coolest helmets. I will never understand why they went with mark IV with a flattened faceplate as the new standard. Insane.
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Ya I think it’s because it looks more sleek, but I find it quite boring. It’s still crazy to me they Replaced such an iconic design for a relatively bland one Thanks for watching!
@warpstar8552
2 ай бұрын
The mark IV feels like a faction helmet rather than what should be the generic. If you told me that all the dark angels wore mark IVs, I wouldn't be surprised. I feel it goes good with the hoods. My guess for being the standard is that due to its shape, it's easier to paint.
@ladycubed5605
2 ай бұрын
I really really really really liked this video
@thedorklord1029
2 ай бұрын
I think I understand most of your points in favor of classic scale, but the specific use of the statue of… David, was it? I feel it actually doesn’t quite support your argument. One of my problems with heroic scale models is that they seem a bit _too_ out of proportion, while newer models tend to be slightly more proportionate. The statue’s exaggerated proportions are far more subtle than heroic scale exaggerations, to the point you had to point them out. The modern scale has more of that subtle exaggeration rather than the classic overexaggeration. For instance, with the Custodes, they often have very large pauldrons that are literally larger than their chest plate. While it’s obviously exaggerated, it helps sell that these guys are bulky and ridiculously strong. Meanwhile, I find some of the old marine proportions just too out of proportion to the point that they’re just wacky. I personally find the new marines have enough exaggeration that they still come off as bulky and strong.
@opticalcanine
2 ай бұрын
I'm all for having style over realism, but the old models just look goofy and clunky
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
lol that’s what I love about em. Totally fair not to like that aesthetic tho, I can see both sides Thanks for watching!
@FranknFurten
2 ай бұрын
I really really really like this style, I love your channel!!
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you like it
@hammanhouse
Ай бұрын
I personally prefer old school guardsman over the new ones and you explained the feelings I was having that I couldn't describe! Thank you. I think when they did a redesign of the Cadian shock troop box with the upgrade sprue before the full Cadian redesign was the right direction for options without overcomplicating the design I will say, some changes (like Primaris Scale Marines and Necrons) have brought improvements to factions scale and looks.
@s.406
2 ай бұрын
Totally agree I never could find any minis that could entire give me the chills like the Mordheim or Rackham minis. Older but really better in any level in an aesthetics way
@michaelnuss372
2 ай бұрын
I really really really really liked this video style. And the lore vids as well, I’ll watch ‘em both.
@arionofotherworld
2 ай бұрын
A simpler, exaggerated, more recogniseable design just works.
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Yep I’m totally with you on that one Thanks for watching!
@thatgamingkiwi1630
2 ай бұрын
I remember the first models I ever got were the oldschool Khorne berserkers around about a year or two before the refresh, best decision I ever made. I love how chunky the old school models are and the fact they're instantly recognizable from a distance. Also not to mention old school chaos doesn't have the atrocious amount of armor trim the newer models have.
@bullybacon8932
27 күн бұрын
Definitely love the older minis. I would have never seen them if it wasn’t for this video so KEEP it uppp your content is great!
@Inquisitor_Vex
2 ай бұрын
+1,000,000 points for the Iron Giant reference/image at 15:00 ish. (Best old model? I’m going with the old metal Daemon Prince. Dude was too freakin’ cool. Best new? Tough but I think it’s going to be the new World Eaters Lord on bloodcrusher mount.)
@Morganthepagan
2 ай бұрын
seeing a video literally half a minute after launch hits different edit: I loved the video. It was great to hear your opinion on the matter even tho I don't really agree. I prefer your lore vids but this was a nice change and I'd enjoy seeing more like this every now and then in the future.
@KrakDuk
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for being here so early!
@Morganthepagan
2 ай бұрын
@@KrakDuk It was a pleasure good sir :)
@scw5098
2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite models of all time (and the reason I'm a filthy Eldar fan) is Eldrad Ulthran. I have fond memories of a time back when my local shop did painting contests and I was super proud of one of my Grey Knight models. I entered it into the contest, not expecting to win, and predictably did not even place in the top 5. But I still remember when they showed off this guy's Eldrad, who was the winner of the contest, and I was dumbstruck by it. His pose was/is a little stiff and his model is almost as complex to paint as some named Space Marines now, but man did that chunky little Space Elf Wizard look cool. His helmet is so impractical, but so eye catching and his staff looks more like a Native American shaker, but I had never seen a model like him before. His model is in that spot where it's getting old now and really showing some age, but I still adore the intricate and silly robes he wears, the helmet that should keep him off balance just by looking around and that strange looking staff that clearly is meant to be alien in design. I gotta be careful, though. I might start sounding like Pancreas if I simp for my favorite Eldar too hard.
@101Mant
2 ай бұрын
I think the older minis were designed more to look good on the table top, where the heroic proportions help features stand out when they are on the other side of the board. The newer minis seem more designed to look good up close in pictures of videos but you will never see that detail when actually playing with them.
@derunversenkbare9495
2 ай бұрын
Everyone: look! It took me 4 hours to paint this guardsman and it's still looking like a rock! Me who painted a leman russ in 20 minutes:😅
@mavrick195
2 ай бұрын
I really really really really really really really really really really like this video. I'm a heroic scale apologist and a lot of what you said I agree with iev Dynamic exaggerated poses glance roughly what a model does and what is good at. You're a catechin / Jackal comparison with spot on
@mavrick195
2 ай бұрын
Plus those were the models I grew up with. I'm always going to have a soft spot for the old box of 20 Guardsman I could get for just over 30 bucks
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