Love my Gold wing DTC. Wife hates the seat and harsh ride in the back. I am keeping the DTC, trading my wife in on an Indian…
@cy-one
Жыл бұрын
Man has his priorities straight :D
@GabolovesPam
Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking on a Goldwing and the reason is for my wife to be comfortable plus I like it as well. I now am second guessing weather or I should buy one . I thought goldwings were the standard for comfort
@brentfellers9632
Жыл бұрын
I traded mine for a chevy 1/2 ton, smaller box and A smoother ride..😅😂😅
@josephpockey8421
Жыл бұрын
DCT.
@Morgazmz
Жыл бұрын
ahaha LOL
@terry9058
2 жыл бұрын
I traded a 2013 Victory Cross Country Tour in on a 21 GW Tour DCT because I was impressed with the DCT and torque of the Honda. And on paper, it was the best touring bike out there based on my research. I quickly figured out I didn't like the riding position, the saddlebag storage makes no sense and is small, and I thought wind management was poor. Fit and finish was nice and the bike was fun to ride. My wife did not like the passenger area. We stopped into an Indian dealer while out on my Honda and test rode a 21 Indian Challenger Limited..... I bought it. I kept both for a few months but 99% of the time I chose to throw my leg over the Challenger. I sold the Honda with only 500 miles on it. The Challenger is a better fit for me. I agree with most of Cruiseman's review, (BTW, Thanks for your content. I watched all your stuff when I had the Honda) but he gave some points to Honda that aren't important to me. Center stand...I only used it in my garage. Phone storage area...both are equal. A Note 10+ fits equally into both. Passenger seating...my wife rode on both bikes and the Indian with tour pack was hands down better for her. Top heavy...I actually felt like the Honda was more top heavy than the Challenger. Maybe it's because you sit more "on" the GW and more "in" the Indian. To each his own. I have 15K miles on the Challenger and am happy with my choice but I can see how some might prefer the Goldwing. It's nice that we have options!
@cruisemansgarage
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you found the bike that fits your style!
@markrowe6672
Жыл бұрын
Terry Thanks for your viewpoint. Physically do you mind giving height& weight dimensions. I am considering GW, K1600 and Indian models.
@terry9058
Жыл бұрын
@@markrowe6672 I'm 5'11, 260lbs, 32 inch inseam.
@johnnydee6659
Жыл бұрын
It's hard to find a replacement for a Victory XCT with all it's leg room and storage. If I ever replace mine both of these bikes are at the top of my list.
@photo59601
Жыл бұрын
I don’t mean to be disrespectful because I really liked your post, but like you I bought a Victory Vegas along with my Goldwing and felt the rug pulled out from me when Polaris discontinued Victory and bought Indian. I wouldn’t put my trust in Polaris not doing that again.
@claynicolsen5401
2 жыл бұрын
Great review, Chris, as usual. I love your clarity on the differences between objective points, and personal subjective points. You clearly are making a huge effort to not "lead" the viewer to a pre-ordained conclusion. Nice job.
@robertmorris8460
2 жыл бұрын
I sold my challenger due to a number of issues. nav frequently got lost on main roads, throttle response at times acted like it was not connected, fuel economy was high 20s when riding one up at normal speeds, plugging an android phone into USB port to charge it while riding caused problems with the phone, and at 5 foot 8 inches tall, the reach to handle bars is extreme and limited my ability to turn handlebars. never had any issues with a goldwing
@roadglide
2 жыл бұрын
Smooth move!
@nattcharles
2 жыл бұрын
You can get short reach bars for the Challenger.
@robertmorris8460
2 жыл бұрын
@@nattcharles they were not available when I looked for them, supply issues I was told plus $$ for install and the electronic issues made the bike almost unrideable. One of the many that had unresolveable software issues.
@cartrack730
Жыл бұрын
Throttle was fixed with the flash. Did you get the flash?
@robertmorris8460
Жыл бұрын
@@cartrack730 got rid of the bike without the flash being done. Too many other issues with the electronics that made me hesitant to ride more than 50 miles from home. Always got the no problems found and the next time I would ride the bike, a new one would pop up.
@garlandlabat4922
Жыл бұрын
Mr. Cruiseman, I really enjoyed your comparison. Seemed subjective but honest to me. At age 85, I'm very happy with my 2018 GW DCT with a Motor Trike conversion. Going to see if I can ride until age 100!
@cruisemansgarage
Жыл бұрын
I think you will!
@patrickcooper1122
6 ай бұрын
I disagree strongly. I think your analysis was fair, balanced and as objective as possible. So many guys are so brand loyal that they demonstrate an obvious bias, but you however, did not!
@tntautorepair647
Ай бұрын
Very good comparison but, what about performance?
@eb1941
2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison of two fine machines. I am a current HD owner with two HD that are getting older (2003 & 2005). I owned a GW years ago and it was a fine machine. I test rode one a short time ago, but feel cramped with my legs not in the forward position. I recently took the new BMW tourer with the boxer engine, but after a half hour had to get off and stretch my legs due to the angle, perhaps I am getting too old. The Pursuit is on my short list and I look forward to a test drive.
@geneandjax
Жыл бұрын
I’ve got a Transcontinental and the leg rests make a world of difference (I’m 6’1”, 240 lbs).
@stevehunt9703
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review. Very well balanced. The only thing it cant tell you about is reiability. I have had many Honda motorcycles one of which was a Gold Wing and currently own an Indian Vintage and a Scout. We purchased the Indians for the styling and history and that they deliver in that regard. But both have had more problems than all the Hondas combined. Issues have been numerous recalls for saftey issues such as bad neutral switch causing the bike to lurch forward as it is in gear, faulty switches that are not weather proof causing poor or no starting, cannot toggle displays due to the switch failure, starter solenoid failure. Some issues are design on these two bikes such as poor handeling on the Vintage, such as rake causing poor handeling. By comparison the 1981 Wing was purchased in the UK, shipped to Canada before being ridden to the southern tip of south America and back to Canada only requireing spark plugs, oil changes, air cleaners and tires. Honda dealer network for service is far superior and you can phone Honda and talk to a tech. Last time I spoke to Indian they told me techs dont speak to customers. I was stranded when the fob de programmed and the bike wont start. No local dealer able to fix it in Texas so have to trailer it hundreds of miles. Also never had a really bad Honda dealer but have had two really bad ones in Texas though really good in other places. My opinion is if you are buying it to ride rather than the electronics or to be seen styling buy the Honda.
@wingandhog
2 жыл бұрын
Good comment. I have never owned an Indian, but I have two friends that do. I know both have had minor nuisance issues with their bikes but I don’t recall exactly what. I currently own a Harley Electra Glide and an 08 GoldWing GL1800. I love them both for very different reasons but if I had to choose one over the other, I would keep the Wing. No question
@jackandblaze5956
2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your comment. From time to time I think about updating to a new Goldwing, even though there's nothing really wrong with my old one, a 1980 GL1100. It would be nice to have a power adjustable windscreen, and a fairing with better high speed stability & lower drag. Other than that - the GL1100 is just about as close to perfect as I can imagine. I consider that model to be the first, best transcontinental adventure bike. I had a knobby on it for a while and found out it wasn't too shabby off road - although you're not going to win any races against a two-stroke RM250 in the dirt, I still never got stuck in mud or wet grassy ditches in the rain. And it still runs like new, although it's not faster than any Harley anymore since Harley engines have steadily increased power over the last few years. I just have to come to terms with the fact that it's no longer the Mike Tyson of heavyweight motorcycles anymore. It's a big adjustment to fall from that throne. Maybe I'll just modify the fairing + windscreen & call it a day
@wingandhog
2 жыл бұрын
@@jackandblaze5956 …. Haha! Sometimes we have to fall hard to face reality. That was funny
@sjp8201
2 жыл бұрын
Very good and fair comparison. I had a 2020 Challenger Limited and traded it for my current 2021 Gold Wing 6 speed Tour. I love my Gold Wing, but do miss aspects of the Challenger. To me they are different enough to be in separate classes. Super smooth flat six vs a nice big v twin.
@debrawomack9863
2 жыл бұрын
I am not a fan of the latest Goldwing, but the previous incarnation is great. My vote is for that over the Indian. My brother has the Indian and we occasionally swap for fun and I like it, but the Goldwing is still the one that gets my vote. Good review !!
@gt7500
Жыл бұрын
A couple of the other Posters would probably be happier with the older GW. It still handles great, has larger storage capacity, very reliable and built in U.S.A. until 2006(ish?).
@SmoothbassmanStudios
2 жыл бұрын
I'm still in love with my Challenger. No issues after 17,000 miles. The clear coat is very soft on the bike. I had it ceramic coated to help with that. I get about 39MPG in sport mode on the daily rides and have gotten 42 on long highway rides. It's a solid bike that I will be holding on to for a while.
@hd66trikerz
2 жыл бұрын
Great review. I’ve owned a Roadmaster and several Goldwings. Currently I have a Goldwing Trike. I agreed with everything in your review but I also realize all riders have different priorities when it comes to the things they look for in a bike. I ride a trike do to medical issues. At the end of the day the thing that means the most to me is reliability and cost. The Goldwing wins hands down. But again, just my experiences.
@HardlyaDavidson
6 ай бұрын
That’s why it’s so important to have a bunch of different perspectives and dealers that actually allow long solo test drives
@johnnydangerously7186
2 жыл бұрын
Having owned both the goldwing and Roadmaster, both have different area’s of strength. Both comfortable and powerful. Comes down to preferred riding style “feet forward” and styling! I prefer the American design and built Roadmaster!
@thestcroixkid
Жыл бұрын
Stick a 126 Lloyd'z kit in your Roadie', you will not regret it!
@minnybiker4505
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, fair. I have 21 Goldwing tour dct. I love it. I had a 17 Road Glide Ultra. The Pursuit seems like the perfect compromise between the two, and intrigues me quite a lot. Finances suggest I should remain grateful for what I have... But if the Honda gives me any trouble, I'll probably take a closer look. The one thing that I really do appreciate is the low speed weight distribution... The bike feels so much lighter just because the weight is down low. It's glorious, and I never thought I'd care before. I do now.
@roadglide
2 жыл бұрын
100%
@michaellabanowski1303
2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts as well...
@jftuvell
Жыл бұрын
That’s important to me, also. I’d like a better radio and updated infotainment screen on the Goldwing. That said, when you’re maneuvering to park on a steeply crowned road or parking lot with a group of big-bike riders all struggling to do the same thing, you appreciate the low center of gravity and reverse/forward crawl mode!
@cwheremonster8870
2 жыл бұрын
For the love of God.. can someone at Polaris please spend a couple bucks, and bring in a paint specialist? No one is asking for Harley quality paint.. but the Indian line has suffered so long from the softest paint in the industry. It’s not even funny, anymore . It’s absurd. Go to any Indian dealership. Just riders sitting on these bikes leave scuffs and bizarre obscurities … the prevailing theory is that it’s their cure time or method of curing paint upon completion at the factory. I don’t know. I’m just a motorcycle rider . I love these Indians . But holy crap.. there’s literally thousands of posts on these issue going back to 2014 on the Indian forums .. please fix this, Polaris !!
@victoryvisiontour
2 жыл бұрын
The paint on my Victory seems to mar easy too. Luckily the Vision has no painted surfaces in the path of a boot when mounting and dismounting the bike.
@HDR20
2 жыл бұрын
And this is what keeps me from owning one. The fit/finish and paint are worse than Suzuki, Kawi, and Yamaha.
@wingandhog
2 жыл бұрын
I was going to mention that Polaris/ Indian bikes are notorious when it comes to lack of paint quality, but you beat me to it. I have been hearing that for a few years now. Nobody beats Harley in the paint category but you would think Indian would step up their game at this price point.
@gregoryjones3072
2 жыл бұрын
Nice job on the review. 2021 DCT here. Agreed: the tech needs to be streamlined. Owned a 2016 Indian Chieftain Darkhorse - will never buy another Indian. Mine ran super hot all the time. Thankfully the Pursuit is liquid cooled but I doubt seriously it’s as cool running as the GW. The feeling I get from the GW cannot be matched by another touring bike in my humble opinion.
@davidtruncale6068
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your in-depth review. I own a 2015 F6B Deluxe (ridden 60,000 miles) and a 2012 GL1800 (which we had triked with the CSC kit 2 years ago, ridden 101,000 miles total). I have to say, after hearing your comments about the new generation Goldwings (2018+), I think I still prefer the 2nd Gen GL1800's (F6B and Goldwing - 2012 thru 2017). I personally like the styling of the prior generation, and it sounds like the maintenance is far easier. As for "tech", my 2 older Goldwings are just fine with a Garmin Zumo that I can instantly switch between the two, and bluetooth integration to the speakers via an small, inexpensive bluetooth transmitter/receiver that I got on Amazon. Also, I am averaging 42 mpg on the F6B; with a 6.6 gallon tank which gives me a range of 275 miles - 33 mpg on the Trike; with a 10 gallon tank for a range of 330 miles. In many ways, I think Honda went backward on the 2018+ models. Thanks again, Cruiseman - ride safe.
@garytakala5028
2 жыл бұрын
I'm on a 1200gs right now and a streetglide 107 before this one. The Harley blew up at 18k miles hence the bmw. I've been thinking heavily on a GW as I'm 70 and my adventures are more comfortable these days. That Indian sounds really nice though. Thanks for the comparison, it was helpfull.
@raymonddietz429
2 жыл бұрын
Another really nice comparison review! Very thorough and detailed. Good job!
@lesterfreeman7423
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 Goldwing DCT and I can't see me ever going back to a manual transmission, however I also have a 12012 Kawasaki 900 Vulcan for local commuting. I always seem to have trouble finding neutral (and that applies to all of the bikes I have owned over the years). One thing I like about the Honda is its low centre of gravity, the top heavy feel of the Indian concerns me. I do like the look of the tech though, so it might be a quick trip to my local Indian dealer for a test ride, just to make sure I am not pre judging too harshly. Great review with lots of (to me anyway) really relevant points.
@victoryvisiontour
2 жыл бұрын
Great review. These are the only two bikes I found that could replace my Victory Vision. As advanced as the Vision was in 2008 it's starting to fall behind compared to the 2022 Goldwing and Pursuit. Now I need to decide if I want Goldwing's DCT with reverse and walk or the Pursuit's Tech and ease of use. Thanks for the detailed review.
@barrygattenhof9903
2 жыл бұрын
Thought he said he has a 2018 Goldwing not 2022 as opposed to a current model Indian.
@victoryvisiontour
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrygattenhof9903 , Yes he has a 2018 GW. But I'm interested in a current Wing or Pursuit not a 2018.
@Diaszurana
Жыл бұрын
Yea, but the Vision has that unique styling though. I like it, personally.
@NoWay-xu1ie
4 ай бұрын
I owned a 2019 GW 6speed tour. Which was a great bike . And i had a couple of issues that were repaired under warranty. I sold it for a HONDA AFRICA TWIN DCT. I recently bought a 2003 Kawasaki Voyager with 12k miles and it had a Diamond custom seat.And all the options I would put on it. It gets 42 mpg. It doesn't and never will handle like a GW but I can put just as many miles on it in a day as I did my 2019 GW. Very simple to change oil and get to the battery and air filter. Someone replaced the speakers so you can still hear the radio when you pass a truck. Best part i paid $3k for it , that makes me grin going down the road. To each there own.
@Apesalive
Жыл бұрын
You overlooked a major factor. The companies, Honda is a much better company than Polaris. I’ve owned both and can say definitively that Honda outlasts Polaris. Both in quality control and wear and tear. My next bike will be Honda orHarley. Indian does not inspire confidence in its future.
@Apesalive
10 ай бұрын
40+ years of riding I’ve had the same experience. A trustworthy parent company for support is a must.
@larrylund1138
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice job on this Vlog. I haven't ridden either one but am interested in both. Currently riding an R1200RT water cooled which I really like a lot. You probably said but I don't remember hearing the weight of these 2 bikes. Super heavy for sure but I can look it up. Thank You for some great input.
@freddybgoldwinging2605
Жыл бұрын
To my surprise, the regular Challenger is almost as heavy as the Goldwing Tour! I wouldn't be surprised to find the Pursuit weighs more than the Goldwing.
@OG_MuttDog
2 жыл бұрын
Dct transmission are for lazy and entitled riders. I normally a get excuses from DCT riders.
@Bob-yd2xh
2 жыл бұрын
yeah we all have opinions
@PTTHOR
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah because squeezing a clutch lever & moving your toe are considered cardio... lmao
@OG_MuttDog
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making my point.. thank you for your kindness.
@edmundcano521
Жыл бұрын
Butter clutch and cruise control, and handling superiority. 6 speed baby, and I did say "smoother than butter clutch:"
@mikeh.5145
Жыл бұрын
Beaner, I’ve ridden a clutch for 46 years on seven different motorcycles. Before we bought our ‘21 Goldwing, I thought long and hard about advantages and dis-advantages of a clutch. My decision to go with the DCT tranny was memories of getting stuck in traffic in town and on interstates. The worst time was on the upside of a mountain in WV when we got stuck behind a wreck for over an hour. Stop and go, stop and go every 30 seconds… In another jam, my hydraulic fluid got so hot, my clutch went out and it took two hours to cool down. I’ve seen no dis-advantage to the DCT and 70% of new Goldwings are sold with it. You should try it.
@mikeogden5256
2 жыл бұрын
Gold wing all day every day…. Honda is always the best
@kdryan21
Жыл бұрын
I ride a Road King. I test rode a Goldwing. Was not impressed...
@dananderson48
11 ай бұрын
I think you missed the fact that the Pursuit has a cooled seat and the Goldwing has a washboard for a passenger seat.
@JohnJay1745
2 жыл бұрын
I like your approach to comparing similar motorcycles and your reviews sound fair. Well done, then!
@billwilliams9527
2 жыл бұрын
Chris, great comparison presentation. I too would select the GW if I was buying new. Why, the paint, the balance at slow speed, and 89 octane fuel, those three things are deal killers for me on the Indian. However, if I was a V twin guy, much better than HD.
@tompGA
2 жыл бұрын
While a good comparison of features and functions, the biggest missing factor is riding style. What will you use the bike for. Both will eat highway miles but if you want to ride the twisties aggressively, the Wing is a much more capable Sport Tourer. Even more so with a suspension upgrade.
@milesjohnson8927
2 жыл бұрын
Owning both is one of God's little ways to tell you that you have to much money lol
@mentalite67
Жыл бұрын
Your counting is off. For example, you say that the Homelink integration goes to Indian, and you show the checkmark in the Indian column, but the Goldwing total increased instead.
@michaelmedart7430
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if anyone else caught this. Had to scroll WAY, way down to find someone...
@motorcyclemichael2182
Ай бұрын
I think I would prefer the Indian however, one thing I would really like the Indian to have would be backlit buttons
@rt2255
2 жыл бұрын
Compare them with 100k on them, that is if indian csn last that long, we know goldwings just get going then.
@semperfipar1299
Жыл бұрын
The Victory went pretty far with no maintenance. I'm sure the Pursuit will be no different.
@tyroneshoelace4872
Жыл бұрын
I own an Indian and a Harley. People always ask which bike a prefer. I tell them. Never do "features" or gas mileage enter my mind. My preference is based on my enjoyment of riding. Things like sound, feel, and looks play major roles. You mention nothing about the sensation you get from riding either of these bikes. Very odd to me.
@JohnMartin-dn9ez
Жыл бұрын
I'm a Gold Winger for 600K. I hate the new one. Love the engine and drive train. Hate the ride. The seat. Smaller luggage because I travel. The windshield is a joke!!
@erics9754
7 ай бұрын
I agree I love old-school Indians like the Roadmaster and the only other bike I would travel across the country would be a 2017 Wing the last generation just like my Master it has lots of storage and rides like a Mercedes like my Roadmaster sure my Roadmaster looks better to me subjective but the old Wing has a proven track record and is also beautiful to look at in its own futuristic way. if I was rich I would have a 2016 or 17 the last of the previous generation wing a 2020 Harley Heritage and Deluxe with pearl white paint and white walls an Old Indian Chief and a Yamaha Transcontinental and a Victory Tour best V-Twin engine ever made the 106 or 108 can not remember right now lol getting old..
@rkhairajani1
2 жыл бұрын
i love these series. Please do one with the bmw r18 transcontinental 😊
@raulescudero667
Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, congrats for another great video. I owned a 2019 Goldwing and I always take into consideration all your qualified comments and upgrade suggestions for this bike. I think one item that is important in the comparison is the performance between both bikes. If you need to overtake a car or a long truck on some roads the bike response is very important, also for safety reasons. If you have some feedback about the overtaking performance of both bikes I will appreciate. Greetengs from Argentina!
@RanGer-498
2 жыл бұрын
HTSC (Honda SELECTABLE TORQUE CONTROL) Honda Selectable Torque Control system can detect imminent traction loss in the rear wheel and reduce torque to allow the tire to grip.
@herbstieffel5663
10 ай бұрын
I rode a Victory Vision for a bit,,, I am now on a GL 1800 ,,, but I'll say this about the Vision ,,, AWESOME BIKE ,,, the indian motorcyle takeover was politically shmoozed ! The indian is a high dollar force for Polaris ,,, . As it is ,,, I am excited about my Goldwing default ! Thank You indian ,,,
@philiporourke7896
Жыл бұрын
Will a samsung note fit in glove box?
@tsav6952
Жыл бұрын
My beef with my Honda dealer, no test ride on the GW. That's a lot of dough fork down to not even know how you like the bike.
@pukkabugger1
Жыл бұрын
While the Indian may have some cool tech, when you ride both bikes, there's no comparison. I'd buy a GW any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I believe the Honda is the best made and most reliable bike out there, and the Indian has horrendous reliability issues. I'd love to see how many Indian riders are going to be riding that bike 10 years from now. 5'm positive the GW riders will be.
@sferg9582
2 жыл бұрын
"........ Honda's vast dealer network". Harley guys are like BWaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha!! I was at a Honda dealer last Saturday, and not a single Goldwing anywhere to be seen, much less test-driven.
@mattmullins3492
9 ай бұрын
i own a 19 goldwing and the only thing better than the indian is the reverse and the motor and handling, the indian infotainment destroys everything out there, suspension hands down the best keeps the wind off you the best and more comfortable
@briandouglas2476
Жыл бұрын
I own a 2020 Goldwing. And I love it. It does have some things I find troublesome. But it's being nit picky. I think you were a bit biased on your review. But then I would have been also. And like you. If I cheated on my Goldie, it would be with Pocahontas.
@TechWestBrent
2 жыл бұрын
Great Review. I have had a Pursuit DH Premium for little over a month and 7000 km (4300 miles) on the road in that time. I agree 100% on the paint, though I have the Black Smoke Dark Horse. The paint is matt black that doesn't have a scuff problem. but a few parts that are shiny black like the trunk handle area, which had something rub against it and rub off the paint! The cargo rack is also a shiny black and after the first long trip with a tightly tied down small duffle bag, it was covered with scuffs and shallow scratches. that's coming off this winter to properly powder coat. Re: Lighting, I had the extra lower drive lights added - it's like night and day improvement. As for high centre of gravity, I found I had a completely different experience. My other bike I've put on 100000 km is a 2005 BMW K1200LT which weighs about the same. but the COG on that BMW is so high it's criminal. It's been a real pleasure with the Indian's low COG in my opinion. The only thing I really miss is the Reverse the BMW had and the Pursuit doesn't.
@lesterfreeman7423
2 жыл бұрын
I also had a 2005 BMW K1200LT and totally agree the COG was far too high, that is why I am so happy with my Goldwing, also why I am a little concerned about the Indian, I am going to have to go test it to see how it is. The high COG on the BMW was only really a concern at low speeds I must say. It was great on long distances (I rode across Australia on mine, from west to east and back, and clocked up many miles on other trips, I just didn't like it at low speed).
@ericroadglide9985
2 жыл бұрын
As you said... many of these categories are completely subjective. Some aren't. Ie the Indians soft paint... probably the weakest point of the Indian. Price value another. I think Indian wins hands down if the bikes had the same price. Honda is known for their plastic fantastic designs. Metal is always better. Styling and character is the biggest going to Indian. What you ride is part of the enjoyment. Goldwing is a soulless Jetsons bike. Love the power and reliability though. Indian built in the USA. A plus. I have a road glide as my name states. I'm heavily invested in harley but have been sorely tempted by Indian road Master and now pursuit. If buying today I'd buy pursuit.
@cruisemansgarage
2 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention the built in USA thing.
@cartrack730
Жыл бұрын
I was heavily invested in Harley and dropped them like a hot Potato for a new Challenger. Love, Love Love my Challenger. Everytime I get off it I walk in and tell my wife how much I love that bike. Never did that with any of my many, many Harley’s.
@macmovieman1
Ай бұрын
I’m trying to decide between these two bikes and I’m going to wait until the 25 Goldwing comes out so I can compare it to the latest pursuit. I keep my bikes for about 10 years so I want to get it right. The technology, riding position and storage as well as pillion comfort are going to score the highest in my own scoring. That automatic DCT transmission on the Goldwing is pretty sweet and I’d really like to give it a try if they can get their tech, pillion comfort, and storage where it needs to be.
@jimwortham8634
Жыл бұрын
1-minute was enough for me
@barrygattenhof9903
2 жыл бұрын
Love these comparisons. Still undecided but Goldwing has been the dream machine in my head for so long..currently riding a cruiser.
@cruisemansgarage
2 жыл бұрын
Go for it!
@travisconrad5035
Жыл бұрын
I just switched from a VTX to a bagger Goldwing love it do it u won't regret it.
@scottsheppard6077
Ай бұрын
Not a fair evaluation. You are partial to Goldwings. I have a 2022 Challenger and 2018 non tour DCT Goldwing. The Goldwing is comfortable for short trips only. Slow speed maneuvers are terrible on the DCT Goldwing due to engine braking and no manual clutch. The Challenger is my long distance comfortable bike. Goldwing for long term reliability.
@jackvliet
2 күн бұрын
35 grand and the indian doesnt have backlit buttons???
@robertkay9871
Жыл бұрын
Both bikes are wonderful!!.. I'm a die hard Goldwing fan. I enjoy your reviews. 🏍️☺️🇱🇷
@2169scs
Жыл бұрын
If I had the money. I would buy both Bikes! Thank you for the great review!
@traviseyster4128
2 жыл бұрын
Cruiseman, another great review! Thank you. Looking to purchase a touring bike for my wife and me. Anyone compared the passenger comfort between these 2?
@chrishunter5041
2 жыл бұрын
Good evaluation, road tested the 2022 DTC and liked it "better then the first addition of the DTC" hope to test ride the Pursuit next year.
@FrensTimmerpens
5 ай бұрын
Good reviews! In holland the Persuit baseprice starts at $45.000!!!!! Btw: with a GW you don’t need tools or jumpstarter…at all😂😂😂🎉🎉
@godsmack7734
4 ай бұрын
Its funny watching this. I agree with a lot of what you say the Wing is lacking. I have a 2023 H-D Nightster Special and the tiny infotainment screen has a lot more options than the Wing. The GPS is still better on Goldie. I wish Honda would just have activated wireless carplay or wireless android auto.
@tax905972
Жыл бұрын
I haven't weighed 160 in 30 years. That was because I spent 6 months in a police academy.
@koilocopiano
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent, detailed, and fair comparison. Well done sir!
@willydiesel2081
7 ай бұрын
So this is the deal if you drive a 1969 Camaro you're driving it just because it's cool. If you drive a modern-day Corvette versus a Lamborghini the Lamborghini might be more refined in certain ways however if I could afford both I would still own the vet because in my opinion it's just cool. There's nothing cool at all that penetrate your soul writing a Honda Goldwing it's not insecurity it's not anything like that. There's a reason men buy brand new trucks and put 6-in lift on them with 37-in tires and never take it off road it has to be cool it's not an insecurity or an alpha male thing it's just men are more Visual and they need to be in that pocket of cool I wouldn't ride a Honda Goldwing if I was given one compared to my Indian Challenger or my old Harley Street Bob
@kodiak536kodiak536
Жыл бұрын
Subjective. Look like Indian have a V-Twin engine. My past experience with V-Twin, a 2009 VTX1300R is that they vibrate up to @65MPH. Goldwing DO NOT vibrate ant ANY speed. You be best served by comparing Harleys and Indian.
@rooster3019
2 жыл бұрын
I am hooked on the DCT! I would love the ergonomics of the Indian. I am puzzled that the Indian could be less nimble than the Gold Wing DCT in slow drills! I would rate the DCT Wing as very clumbsy in those manuevers due to the inability to choose a higher gear and keep it from downshifting on its own during friction zone brake balancing. Big Harleys are far superior to the DCT in that catagory.
@cruisemansgarage
2 жыл бұрын
What about using the DCT in Manual mode?
@chloehood6355
Ай бұрын
Yes 2 great bikes, i would happily have both one after another a few years apart. We are spoilt, arnt we. R
@herbiesgarage681
Жыл бұрын
I don't really have any input on this comparison as I only have an older GL1500 Goldwing but I wanted to say how impressed I was with your presentation and objectivity! I look forward to more videos, new subscriber 👍
@edmundcano521
10 ай бұрын
Sold my 2016 Ultra Limited, great ride, but no competition to the 2018 Goldwing. Im looking at the overall ride for long distance ,not the goodies, so much..Fasteddie
@erics9754
7 ай бұрын
Pursuit has a much better passenger seat so he is not completely honest lol that point should have gone to Indian. The new wing is not very good as a touring bike the last generation was a lot better. Honda failed miserably and does not know what it wants to be very poor storage for a touring bike. I have 30 points for Indian and 22 points for Wing. Sorry Indian for the win Gold Boy lol.
@furbabywoodworks845
7 ай бұрын
How would the Indian compare with a 2024 Goldwing? Gotta imagine they’ve improved some things in 6 years
@RCSTILE
5 ай бұрын
If you are a V-twin Harley-Indian lover you will bad mouth the Honda. Indian has been in and out of production umpteen times, ever wonder why?
@raybrensike42
11 ай бұрын
I wish new bikes really did something to make the levers easier to pull, both the clutch and front brake seem way to hard to pull for my taste. I've been riding the old BMW K bikes for almost 40 years.
@PatricGleason
Жыл бұрын
What about the cooled seat on the Indian?
@ruggieromusicvideos1545
11 ай бұрын
love your videos and comments , I think that Iam sold on the wind , and there is a Beautiful 2018 Wing for sale with only 5 k on the bike and it looks brand new . I have a 2016 Indian Chieftain that I am going to trade , but that Indian is the Best motorcycle that I have riddin , just now I want to have a wing so I can travel up the Blue ridge Parkway .
@josephpockey8421
Жыл бұрын
Would love to know how you feel about the comparison of the 6 speed manual that Gold Wing offers to the Pursuits 6 speed?
@mikekosar6135
29 күн бұрын
You know… even honda cars have A more complicated infotainment..
@MrJusmobile
5 ай бұрын
Once you said BRAKING IS BETTER WITH THE GOLDWING< that's it!!!
@calvinphillips279
4 ай бұрын
Which did you feel were hottest? Temperature wise? I'm not happy with how hot my Harley is Thanks
@DrDiff952
9 ай бұрын
No comparison of ACTUAL horsepower and tork ratings of either nike. The smoothness of the persuit/challenger is the top of any V-Twin. And you totally neglect HERITAGE.. Indian is the first american motorcycle. Indian made the furst American V-TWin the gold wing was made in the USA then moved to Japan Lets see what honda does for the 50th anniversary gold wing let alone the 100th anniversary Gold Wing. Indian has already had its 100th anniversary
@kenjohnston8173
Жыл бұрын
This review is missing something huge: from what ive heard, the indian paint job lacks alot to be desired. Over a couple of years w winter riding, the fender inner seams alow for rusting. Maybe the challenger bikes are different, but, i dont antone talking about this, and its big.
@gypsy1962
2 ай бұрын
GOLDWING. Without even watching the video. GOLDWING.
@erics9754
7 ай бұрын
Let me guess which one he will pick lol of course it will be his beloved Goldwing no matter how good the Indian is he would always pick the Goldwing lol.
@mikeogden5256
Жыл бұрын
Gold wing is best
@Peter-wc4kr
2 жыл бұрын
I disagree giving GW a point for slow speed handling because of the DCT. Being a DCT it has no clutch friction zone so it takes a lot of practice to control the bike in tight manoeuvres. Couple this with lack of protection if you drop the bike on a slow speed turn can make a stressful situation.
@erics9754
7 ай бұрын
He is a died-in-the-wool fanboy so what's obvious to people with no bias he will give the point to his bike. I disagreed with many of the points taken away from Indian.
@shdwwzrd69
Жыл бұрын
I dunno about honda gw dct but in the Honda 4 wheelers it's trash slow and sluggish so I will never own anything honda with dct I have a older pre dct wheeler now million times better.. and I have several friends with challengers and they say their a million times better than HD road glides and they would never own a gw lol
@mikefrench3800
Жыл бұрын
Kind of odd that the Japanese have fell behind in electronics on motorcycles and cars. In the 80's Japan owned the electronic market!
@ggusta1
2 ай бұрын
Indian is not even a consideration of mine. If I only bought a bike on looks then I would get an Indian.
@RoadieWingZZ
2 жыл бұрын
GoldWing every day over a Polaris.
@adamharding2467
2 жыл бұрын
I had a Goldwing prior to purchasing my Indian. Indian is a much better bike overall. Although, Honda is a few years behind on model design, I’m sure some of these things will be addressed in the future. The two things I do miss on my Indian are the lack of a reverse gear and the history of navigation. The Indian sounds so much better and I believe is a more attractive bike. Both bikes are far away better than anything Harley has ever made. We recently rented a Harley for a week and I was blown away by how much worse these bikes perform. Harley riders are emotionally attached to the brand regardless of the reality.
@raybrensike42
11 ай бұрын
If they are going to have a fairing that stays on all the time, shouldn't they be putting the radiator up there with vents that can direct the heat out or toward the rider? Then they could put the light between the forks or on the front fender maybe.
@neilurquhart8622
Жыл бұрын
Clearly it’s the Honda, apart from anything else just look at the modern styling of everything
@kennyb7883
3 ай бұрын
Your talking 🍎's & 🍊's here. One is a motorcycle the other is a car on two wheels.
@ww4dx
3 ай бұрын
The Polaris bike is superior in every way compared to the Honda.
@mattblowers
2 жыл бұрын
Nice review! A bit of burying the lead though, nearly halfway through the review and still not a word about ride, performance, or comfort. I guess the lists are OK, but not what would make my purchase. Center stand and reverse are HUGE differences in this heavy and big of a bike. I'm sticking with my Wing. Great job though. Actually made me look up and compare MSRP to consider for my next stallion. Just wish it had more about how the bike rides in different circumstances. How do they compare in spirited riding? How do they compare in cornering? How do they compare in acceleration? How do they compare in long distance comfort? How do they compare in canyon carving? How they compare in pulling away from traffic at a light under heavy throttle? I come from a sport bike background so these questions are more important to me than the dash, lighting, and tech etc. I currently own a Goldwing, a ZRX1200r for spirited riding, a SV650 for track day, and a TU250x for putting around town. I could do a compare/contrast of these 4 very different bikes (I still can say I have never ridden I bike I didn't love) and wouldn't mention 75% of the list here. Still, overall a great review. Keep up the great work.
@billyconley6220
3 ай бұрын
@@mattblowers i had the same questions. Like which bike would you rather ride on needles or the tail.
@gastoche
2 жыл бұрын
👈👈 Kudos to YOU Cruiseman, great job there. 👏👏Really useful. I don't own either of these 2 magnificent bikes yet I found your Texan shootout of great interest. With $30K+ to spend based on your experience and inclinations similar to mine, I'd go for the Honda Goldwing but I'd certainly give a test to the Indian Pursuit.
@freddybgoldwinging2605
Жыл бұрын
Nice review, Cruiseman! I think your review was fair and impartial. You did a good job! I'm thinking about getting an Indian Challenger as a second bike but to never replace my 2018 Honda Goldwing Tour DCT Airbag! And yes, I've test rode a Challenger twice with some distance. In regards to cost of purchase, let me tell you something people should be aware of. Both companies charge for shipping and setup; however, when the pandemic hit and logistics became a problem, Indian corporate began charging a surcharge for shipping. Here we are over two years later and the Indian corporate are charging purchasers a $800 fee above and dealership's shipping and setup charges! This fact stopped me from buying during the pandemic and have me thinking twice about buying one now even though one dealership has the perfect one for me. Thanks for sharing!
@davidslaughter8952
2 жыл бұрын
very fair very well imformed
@luapmckeever721
Жыл бұрын
Great video and I really dig your objective style. I was torn a couple years ago and went with the Challenger limited. Approaching 20K trouble free miles.
@garyunderdahl750
Жыл бұрын
I had a GW and had to give it up as I have trouble straddling the wider engine as I have gotten older and have a 29inch inseam. With that being said, I have ridden an Indian and that lower seat height really helps. So, if you are not 5'10' or so, check out the Indian in my opinion would be a better choice.
@paulmonk6867
Жыл бұрын
the one thing I wanted to know wasn't addressed. V twins are known to be hot. How does it compare to the Honda in that aspect?
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