As long time owners of a truck and equipment repair shop, I can guarantee you that if a mechanic shows up with a big fancy Snap-On box he's nothing but a parts replacement guy, and worse yet he wants to always do unit replacements. If all their tools are perfect, there are no heated and bent, or welded tools, and no homemade special tools in their box, they are pretty much a chain store tech and not what we need in this business
@azael831
4 жыл бұрын
Basically Mechanics are fools and buy the snap on kool aid, industrial guys arent idiots and buy the same tools at 1/4 of the price. Do you really think a reputable company will ruin their reputation by deliberately compromising their tools? No way
@fredsesula9787
4 жыл бұрын
Snap on is like Gucci for mechanics. Your paying for the name. Sure it might be a good product but it's not worth 5 times as much as the competitors.
@brettwalkom948
2 жыл бұрын
Especially when caterpillar sell the same sockets for less than half the price
@warrenself
2 жыл бұрын
@@brettwalkom948 Caterpillar, Williams, Blue Point, Case IH, New Holland, and Bahco are multiple Snap-On alternatives. Good stuff, but mostly Taiwan versions of Snap-On.
@brettwalkom948
2 жыл бұрын
@@warrenself case isn't snap on. Williams is owned by snap on..
@tdb19872
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty good stuff. The Mac/Proto dichotomy isn't quite right though. Proto has always been it's own outfit before being bought out by SBD. Proto isn't the inferior individual brand of Mac, in fact Proto generally makes better tools than Mac and they are completely different although that is now changing.
@bodgitandleggitgarage
7 жыл бұрын
the three Thumbs Down must be from people who think all metal is the same quality and a socket is a socket
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
LMFAO Leon! damn Fanboys;)
@ryans9029
6 жыл бұрын
Also, you pay a heavy premium from the tool truck. The tools are priced for a certain customer, and they are priced according to the market aka what the customer will pay. Not only are you getting tool truck mark up, but you are paying for the warranty. Auto and diesel techs break many more tools than industrial shops. This is well known. The replacement tool price is figured into the original selling price. When a company sells to a person or "consumer" aka "single person" aka "tech", you pay absolute top dollar, like any business or industry. When selling to a company that is buying 40, 400 or 4,000(gov) of the same socket or set of whatever, AND there are ten other industrial tool companies trying to get that contract/sale, the price naturally goes down. If the proto costs 2x the SK, the Industrial company will go with SK every time. They must compete. Companies know that mechanics fall for marketing and bright chrome, which is why snap on markets so heavily. Free shirts and hats, stickers, etc... The bean counters at X industrial company don't give a rat about marketing or chrome when they buy 80ct 22mm sockets at a time. They care about bottom line and quality. Comparing a consumer(tech) to industrial contract buyers is comparing apples to Jupiter's. There is a reason the most demanding industrial companies are NOT full of Snap On and older MAC tools. If the tools were better, they would spend the money. They don't. They absolutely aren't buying MAC or Matco taiwan hardline stuff for 2x top quality USA industrial brands. But TECHs still sure do.... TECHs care about what the guy in the next bay thinks about his box and kit. SK and Williams aren't cool. No tech needs a $12k roller... But Industrial brand rollers aren't cool. As long as techs will pay top $$, the trucks will continue to deliver the $$ price tag.
@zjenji
2 жыл бұрын
Man, this was worded perfectly!
@deltahawk1001
7 жыл бұрын
Snap-On itself services both truck and industrial customers. I am a Army helicopter mechanic and I can tell you that while the Army uses a pretty good mix of American brands most of our tools are Snap-On, Proto, or sub-brands/partners of those. (for snap on it is Pro American, Imperial Milbar, Bluepoint, CDI Torque that I can think of offhand) I have seen some Armstrong stuff but not as much. I personally find the quality of Proto to be as good or better than much of the Snap-On, but you sometimes don't get the neat features that Snap-On provides as the industrial tools focus on quality and not so much user friendliness. Proto didn't even offer a ratchet with more than 45 teeth until a few months ago! Overall my preference varies based on what tool I am using. Also the price difference between Proto and Mac isn't nearly as large on equivalent items as between Snap-On and Williams. For me as a consumer one of the biggest advantages to truck brands doesn't exist: that is they bring purchasing and warranty service right to you. This make me more inclined to prefer Industrial tools if I like the tool itself better. Final note, some tools, such as Proto Duratek Screwdrivers vs MAC Mac-Grip, or the Snap-On vs Williams ratcheting screwdrivers I would have a hard time believing they aren't completely identical. I would say most of their tools are as you described but probably not all. Just my observation as an industrial user of a mixture of the brands mentioned.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
As I said, they are very good, tools, and you are correct lots of tools are just rebranded, to a different line, but not all, or even most. And lots of Snap On tools are made completely by some of those sub brands, like all of Snap On Torque wrenches are made by CDI, including the tech angles, but those are exclusive to Snap On
@lazzyrj1
5 жыл бұрын
David Anderson, first thanks for your service. You nailed it when you said industrial tool brands lack all the cool features that tool truck brands offer because they focus on quality. IMO it's simplicity & functionality. Although some companies like Proto are starting to show more innovation. I am an industrial maintenance mechanic in the injection molding industry and the machines I work on are enormous. Most mechanics have never seen some of the tools we use like my 50mm Allen impact socket I beat the crap out of today. Our machines are built with 95% Allen bolts. We mostly use 1 inch drive & 3/4 inch drive. My regular go to ratchet is a 3/4 inch drive, 36 inch long Proto . It is built like the barrel on a tank. Proto makes some heavy duty tools that strength, & durability wise are superior to tool truck brands but they just aren't as nice. They have to be crazy strong, some of the parts I am removing from these machines(for example a part about the size of a Chevy small block) weigh more than the entire car some of these guys work on. We use 100 ton cranes to remove them. Our torque wrenches max out at 1,800 foot pounds & that is without even using a multiplier. So you can imagine that the sockets, wrenches, ratchets, etc. have to be built with ridiculous strength and durability in mind. I love Snap on tools. Some of the stuff they come out with is just amazing but in my line of work we need simple and powerful.
@00jake00
4 жыл бұрын
Proto always made a pretty decent tool imo. still use some daily i got from my grandpa that he use to use daily. I bought some williams stubby racheting wrenches online and its very close to the blue points but a little different and of course my rep wont warranty them (8mm stripped out on me). But like prevousiely mentioned industrail tools are good for extreme uses like military an large plant maintance where as tool trucks need to be well designed and made to perform in tight working conditions (fine teeth,little backlash). It would suck working on a new car with the same 36 tooth proto rachet my grandpa used 50 years ago to fix his cars but give me a dual 80 snap on and oh boy now we're talking. I have some industrail brand stuff here and there an they work good but it sucks trying to get someone to warranty them thats the big issue for me.
@deltahawk1001
4 жыл бұрын
@@00jake00 Yeah, proto's new Precision 90 ratchets are MAC Axis ratchets with better handles, at least if you are like me and enjoy well designed knurling. I have a Plomb (later became proto) ratchet from the late 40s though, and they still sell the same 24 tooth design new on their website! lol
@00jake00
4 жыл бұрын
@@deltahawk1001 a tool with good knurling is a must especially on extensions when your hands are full of oil and brake fluid its impossible to get a grip on any tool unless you got knurls on it. ya thats just like MAC and their knuckle saver wrenches and their pear head rachets, fan favorite since the beginning of time so they still make em. Ive seen the new proto rachets and was thinking about getting one Ive seen SK came out with a new rachet too along with some x beam wrenches or whatever they call them and have been thinking about ordering a set.
@michaelwright1602
5 жыл бұрын
I'm in automotive manufacturing supplier plants all the time, truck driver, Detroit area/region... I can tell you, they may make parts for five different car companies, and they all have different standards, grades of steel, plastic, etc. I can tell you this, a part for Honda or Toyota is going to be built to a higher standard than what GM and Ford is ordering. That is first hand from the guys running the parts. They will look identical, but they are not, not even close.
@SHAKA38
7 жыл бұрын
I remember that after the Hurricanes of 2004, we made standby generators for Verizon and Sprint cell phone towers at Generac. The only difference between those two were the coolant because they were in different regions. Generac also makes a lot of other brands like Brinks, for example. I was also an equipment operator for Palermo's Pizza and they would make 15K of their (insert toppings here), change the grade of mozzarella and make 10K for Kroger, upgrade the pepperoni and run 12K Kroger Select, throw in some sausage and run 20K for Winn Dixie, and so on, continually changing the specs as ordered by each client. The Williams is made at the same plant, but is it the same steel or the same specifications? Probably not. Having said that, is the Snap On markup ridiculous? Hell yeah!
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
My boss, does consulting for Manufacturing companies, trust me he has told me plenty of stories, hes the guy that gets to streamline the change over processes etc.
@christiancern4275
5 жыл бұрын
interesting that I am possibly going to buy Williams flex head ratcheting wrenches and also know the owner/son of Palermo's Pizza. small world haha. I came to this video just to see if its definitely worth it, but as a DIYer I feel Williams will be morrrrreeeee than efficient for my use. no need to spend $500+ for a set of wrenches versus $180-$200
@mike4796
3 жыл бұрын
Flat rate Master I can respect your thoughts on Williams and Snap On tools. You are correct in that manufacturing varies and conditions change. The QC dept of a manufacturing facility is accountable, for what is allowed to be sold or possibly reworked or even scraped. I been in manufacturing 32 years production, maint. And QC WILLIAMS are good tools typical use are the combo wrenches 7/8 through 1-7/8 They hold up well Snap on has been the gold standard for others to follow but you just don’t see S/O in an industrial setting to pricy, But Williams super combo’s along with Channellock 440’s go a long way in an industrial setting. Keep up the good posts!
@BackCountryWrenching
7 жыл бұрын
i can honestly say that the bluepoint Ratcheting wrenches share the same gear as the williams ratcheting wrenches as one guy at works buys the parts off the snap on truck to fix his wrenches
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
I believe both of those wrenches are made by Kabo, same place that use to make gearwrench
@sanchocloset5987
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I noticed that about my bluepoint wrenches. If it was snap on ,it would say snap on not Williams on it
@devoncoolman88
4 жыл бұрын
Some things are exactly the same like you said blue point and williams ratcheting wrenches are the same. Alot of blue point tools are also offered by williams. Most are just rebrands made by other companies anyway.
@GregariousAntithesis
3 жыл бұрын
Blue point is noticably cheaper made on some things.
@VashthStampeede
4 жыл бұрын
I've used mostly Proto tools since starting in the automotive industry in 1971. They are as good today as when new and they've seen daily use until the mid 90s. Now, they see monthly use on mostly my own vehicles. I have some Plomb, Williams, SK, Durochrome, and Craftsman. I even have some SnapOn that were given to me as gifts from friends. Yes, I refuse to step aboard that truck and pay tripple what that tool is worth to me. I bought from MAC once, because I needed a special socket for a job and I saw the truck in the neighborhood. However, tools from the local stores break too often these days. Quality has gone way down in the past 20 years.
@SuperTrent131
4 жыл бұрын
I've use to be a steel worker and melted then rolled the metal. You can make different products with the same machines. You change rolls, grade of metal (if you're talking just one type of metal) and whatever else. You don't just make one thing if you have all the machines.
@EXOVCDS
7 жыл бұрын
Somebody needs to go undercover at the plant... and shoot some video!!!! =)
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
lol!
@andyzumwalt3632
5 жыл бұрын
I work as an aircraft mechanic,. I had a boss that got a hands on tour with the DOD of a tool foundry in the US. Years ago he saw them pour wrenches of one brand then another he watched the whole process from step one to another he asked the engineer why they make the different brands and was told that the process was the same but the metal was different. Even American made verried was what I took away
@mr.orim0782
Жыл бұрын
can't forget about Wright tools when talking industrial. great video!
@AdriftAndAtPeace323
6 жыл бұрын
Something else needs to be mentioned is as a consumer, you aren’t able to warranty Williams tools without a rep. It’s not like snap on where you can mail in for a replacement without having a franchisee
@harveysmith100
7 жыл бұрын
If you ask a baker to make two cakes, one the best he can and another, to look the same and taste the same, he can do it, nearly. Steel is steel, nearly. A fraction of a percent of one ingredient can make all the difference. (When I say steel, I actually mean the alloy that tools are made of.)
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Very true statements they may look the same but very different ingredients
@steverothgery3234
5 жыл бұрын
I was talking to my snap on dealer and he said One of the biggest reasons why Williams is cheaper is because they do not carry a lifetime warranty.
@JRasS14
5 жыл бұрын
Not true, just make sure it's an authorized dealer. Amazon is NOT an authorized dealer
@Peep18m
4 жыл бұрын
Steve Rothgery you’re dealer lied to you. I’ve warrantied a few Williams sockets no problem. Be sure if you buy some get the USA ones. The USA made has numbers and letters in the part number Taiwan is all numbers. The ratchet wrench’s however have letters and numbers but are Taiwan made. I really like the ratchet wrench’s.
@tylersowa3858
2 жыл бұрын
You did not hate on any tool you just told the truth !. Respect points earned
@branned
2 жыл бұрын
I own BOTH Williams and Snap-on. They are the exact same except for the ratcheting screwdriver which is close. Even my snap-on dealer was shocked.
@TriggerTravels
5 жыл бұрын
I've found all my Williams ratchets to be much stronger and heavier duty than snappy. The tooth count is like 36 though and the metal used is definitely different. My 1/2 Williams seems like it weighs about 10 lbs. I agree though, they are much different and built for different markets.
@Zib187
7 жыл бұрын
I always laugh when people say product Y is made at the same plant as product X & that they are the same. When it comes to steel products there's different contents in the steel. Some steel with have more raw material in it & another will have more recycled material in it. Some will also have more nickle content in it etc. (i.e. the old Ford 300 inline 6 had a lot more nickle content in the cylinders thus that's why they held up better).
@gtcam723
Ай бұрын
Man this video has some staying power. Even in industry we use a mix of Proto and Snap On. We even have a slew of Snap On industrial sockets (wish they made them in metric) that we use. And those are less expensive at least partly because they’re black oxide finished (not to be confused with impact sockets - they even say non-impact on them)
@Toyotas_n__Tools
5 жыл бұрын
I'll say theyre identical as in the way the labor to takes them is the same and they dont warrant the huge cost vs counterpart. Good subject!
@bkseitz
3 жыл бұрын
Not exactly: the specifications for "government spec tools" (e.g., Mil-Spec) are public domain. Other industrial (eg., industry: automotive) applications may not have specs available to public
@tinisterr
5 жыл бұрын
A rant is just what I was looking for, for the drive home. Thanks :)
@Hangerman7
7 жыл бұрын
at work we have a set of Williams 3/4 drive sockets and when we broke a 1" to 3/4" reducer, also a Williams tool, we started looking at them and they are made in China. also it takes like 5 weeks to warranty a Williams tool
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Williams has 2 lines one US made and the other well you know
@MrGamer-lz6ci
Жыл бұрын
The sockets are for sure the same no, regardless you can get the grade of steel tested on both sockets if you’re worried about what Steele is used. Also, if one was different size that just because Snapon makes deeps and semi deeps
@martinschaffmeir7729
6 жыл бұрын
Hi sir fine post, the rant wasn't to bad, I have some old Williams and I don't care what anybody says in general they just don't make tools like they use to. I rethought that comment, the truth is cheep tools back in the day were just that and the good tools are still good today but I do see a difference
@josephriddle2772
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes they do! Wright Tool Co. 🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧
@procyonia3654
5 жыл бұрын
As an Industrial guy, I agree with you. Though you cant go wrong with William's infact they shit on Snap on as far as wrenches are concerned.
@notchagrandpa8875
5 жыл бұрын
While I understand this guys point of view and respect his decision to by the best tools for his line of work, I happen to know for a fact that J H Williams and Snap-on sockets and ratchets are identical in every way, as far as the steel that was use in manufacturing, the hardening process and so forth.....EXCEPT! Here's the differences Williams doesn't offer road side sales and replacement, or the hand delivery, but the biggest differences as far as the manufacturing aspect is concerned is during the chroming process, snap-on tools have a much better chrome plating, they undergo additional polishing before the chrome plating, which gives them that wow factor shine we all know and love, and Snap-on has a much thicker chrome plating to help prevent chipping, and flaking and will resist rust much longer than the Williams brand, Snap-on is manufactured to tolerate harsher conditions over a longer period of time, because the auto world is the hardest environment on hand tools, most industrial work sites make the most of the power tools and use more impact grade equipment usually, where as the auto technicians are more hands on, working far more in tight quarters using hand tools, the blue point brand is a different story, many of those tools are out sourced to Taiwan and made similarly to gearwrench by Apex tool group. If you're a professional Auto tech and you're going to cheap out by buying industrial grade tools stick with Williams but do your research, because even some of the Williams line is out sourced to Taiwan, although most are still made right here in the good old US of A but not all are.
@brettwalkom948
2 жыл бұрын
I assure you industrial mine sites ect are much harder on tools than any automotive setting..
@scottyee707
2 жыл бұрын
Williams ratchets are not 80 tooth
@JimmyMakingitwork
3 жыл бұрын
Either way Snap On has gone down in quality a bit in recent years. Never bought a Williams tool direct for comparison. Any differences are likely to avoid patent infringement.
@dstblj5222
2 жыл бұрын
It's the same company patent infringement isn't a thing
@svn5994
2 жыл бұрын
Snap On owns Williams. That's like saying Ryobi would be infringing on Milwaukee's patents. TTI would be sharing.
@Fedwrench
6 жыл бұрын
Nice Rant. Not to get your blood pressure up but, Williams has two lines. One made in the USA and the second line is Taiwan made. Now I will agree with you that Williams does not equal Snap on. However, Williams Taiwan does equal Blue Point. On a side note, Proto probably has the largest selection of metric wrenches and impact sockets of any of the industrial brands. Thanks for sharing your wisdom!!!
@flatratemaster
6 жыл бұрын
+Fedwrench thank you, I did not clarify in the video but I was only speaking of the US line from Williams and you are correct on the Tiawan situation
@wconstructionco
4 жыл бұрын
I always try to buy anything Wright, Williams, Armstrong, Bonney, Proto, I see at auctions/garage sales, etc. I am not sure it's fair to compare though as the William's and wright are usually all engineers wrenches. I have a set of Burnzomatic sockets that were made in Japan that I love. My tool snob tools are all Wera and Whia, with some Hazet thrown in.
@jordancolgan9843
7 ай бұрын
I’m an industrial maintenance tech I use Pittsburgh lol but our shop buys all proto stuff they seem nice. I would love to own snap on just can’t justify the price keep up the videos
@benjaminromshak9904
5 жыл бұрын
I dig the video, would love to hear more insider stuff about who makes what and this and that. AVE does a lot of that kind of talk in his videos on power tools. Got yourself a new subscriber Sir!
@Spectt84
2 жыл бұрын
Snap-on is out of my budget, I'll take my chances with the identical off brands.
@raylynn9236
6 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who gets it I’m sick of hearing everyone say this and that are the exact same thing
@miket6978
7 жыл бұрын
the most important part of tool making is the tempering process, a lot of the blue point hand tools are made by snap on but to lower tolerances and they don't temper them as much. even if they are the same tho i would still want the snap on. people still buy rolex even tho you can get a knock off for a hundred bucks
@devoncoolman88
7 жыл бұрын
Agree. Got tired of hearing it on garage journal. People saying Williams is the same as snap on. Proto is the same as mac. Ok and your proof is?? Just because you own a socket set or some wrench and you like them. Doesn't mean they're the same. A craftsman wrench will turn the same bolt as a snap-on and may even last as long as a snap-on. But they're not the same. I believe willams tools are still made the same as they were before snap-on acquired them. I would assume snap-on manufactures them in the same plant because why have two different plants manufacturing two different brands when you could have one do the same.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Me to on GJ;)
@devoncoolman88
7 жыл бұрын
Flatrate Master gj is a great resource for info. And some really knowledgable and helpful people on there. But everyone thinks their opinion is correct and the best thing ever.
@fredflagstone181
6 жыл бұрын
Garage Journal? That place outlived it's usefulness years ago.
@JerodMatlock
5 жыл бұрын
Engineer here - these comments are spot on. Tolerances are another key attribute that can differ among tool labels produced in the same factory.
@jeffreyhansen1479
3 жыл бұрын
The difference between a club and a bat.
@TheMegaross91
5 жыл бұрын
What you pay snapon etc more for is the fact you can swap it, finance it you have the tool truck on your premises. I buy lot of elora, facom, bahco, roebuck, norbar, mitutoyo etc. Even my multimeter, it's fluke not snapon. When you buy those tools they're made to an extremely high spec, higher than your average automotive tool. But you cannot swap them with a guy in a truck on Tuesday or finance them without having your own line of credit. What I say to guys, buy the tools you're going to break from the place you can swap it. Buy the precise ones from the best companies. Buy the rarely used ones from China.
@andrewscott8892
3 жыл бұрын
Buy the rarely used ones from Taiwan, try to buy the absolute minimum amount of things from china as physically possible. Buying from Taiwan is spring an ally, buying from china funds the Chinese Communist Party and they need to be sent to hell ASAP
@paulb4496
2 жыл бұрын
Williams tools that have all numbers are Taiwan made. USA made Williams tools have letters then numbers for part numbers.
@shramj
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought some USA made Williams sockets. I will compare them to the Snap On sockets I have when I get them and see how similar they at least look, would be cool to tell if the steel is different or not.
@joshtalbot1086
Жыл бұрын
I have compared side by side as well as people have tested hardness and metallurgy and proven them to be the same. I dont have a snap on truck to make any warranty convenient so i would be a moron to spend 4 times the price for the same exact thing! I could maybe barely justify snap ons absurd prices over williams if i had the warranty but that is the only reason.
@Jameswest1687
2 жыл бұрын
If you buy Williams USA they are the same sockets come out of the same dies as Snap-on the only thing on the Machinery that changes is the the roll stamp press dies the Williams ones are less enterkit which allows faster production speeds versus the Snap-on sockets and Snap-on is made from Virgin metal Williams is not also the type of people who buy Williams are maintenance people and homeowners so they don't get warranty like Snap-on this is why they are cheaper but they are the same socket I won't tell you how I know this you can just take it for what it's worth
@timkiser5971
2 жыл бұрын
I always say its comparable to snap on there good quality for a good price. I have a ton of proto stuff and snap on and Williams etc and all are good quality
@ocoutdoors2355
3 жыл бұрын
The literature implies that the snap on vs Williams ratchets difference is in tooth count. IDK either way.
@jonsimmons3507
4 жыл бұрын
My uncle worked for Williams. They used to make wrenches and sockets for all big three.
@michaeldeel7998
3 жыл бұрын
just seen this video but, I hope you see and comment back to me...But what about the Willaims 36 tooth pair head, it has the same Part number for there rebulid kit as the Snap on 936 ratchets... is that going to be a snap on part? meaning the williams ratchet has Snap on gears and pauls? thanks for the videos..
@ryans9029
6 жыл бұрын
One last thing I'll add. The argument that there is no reason to believe the tools are the same goes both ways. There is absolutely nothing to support that the tools are different, other than the price tag. I have heard the arguments. I did what I could to to get then tested. I got the results I got. I have NEVER found a single piece of evidence that they told are different in ANY WAY. It's not hard to set up a couple real world destructive tests and break a couple sockets and thrash a couple wrenches as compare the numbers. Strain gauges(among other things) aren't that hard to come by these days. My question is "other than PRICE, what reasoning does anyone have to believe the tools are different in ANY way other than cosmetically?" some times companies have less than pure moral reasoning behind why they do things. I have come to believe snap on is one of them. Why don't we see Williams hats or proto NASCAR hood decals? Huge marketing money means one thing.. Huge profits are to be made from consumers. Think about it a bit. Its all there for to figure out.
@toddhayslett8269
7 жыл бұрын
China gets a bad rap because in the past they made some very crappy tools. I have a set of no name metric wrenches from the early 90's and they are just junk. Yes I have used them but you can just tell they are junk. Now we are having lots of good tools coming out of China. What changed? Name brands started making tools in China and putting out the specs and quality control. There are lot's of good tools coming out of china now. It boils down to the Brand name company making sure the specs are followed and the quality control is put in. You can find plants all over china with brand new state of the art cnc machine tools. I mean huge factories with row upon row of brand new machines. So it is becoming harder and harder to say all tools from China are junk. I think the most important thing is the company behind the tool. That is what you are paying for. Snap On tools are better than Craftsman or Harbor Freight but they always have been but you pay for that quality. As a guy who just does simple things to my vehicles. I don't need 50k in Snap On tools. The guy working 12 hours a day 6 days a week very well might, or he might just enjoy higher quality and can afford it. I have a huge collection of Craftsman USA tools that I bought in the 90's when I was in my 20's and building my tool collection. Not a single Craftsman USA tool has broke on me from correct use. I have only broke 1 ratchet that I put a cheater pipe on. Went to sears the put new guts in. That's it.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
LOL, I had a collection of broken Craftman ratchet back in the day, 4 or 5 on hand at any one time
@Toolaholic7
7 жыл бұрын
Craftsman had an industrial line too.Snap On also makes tools for Caterpillar.A Caterpillar wrench is basically a Snap On wrench with the Caterpillar name on it
@snapmac5547
7 жыл бұрын
I hear this all the time also. My response is why would a tool manufacturer make the exact same product out of the exact same materials, Rockwell hardness and components and sell one product at a cheaper price? They are not the same. Never have been. Ford and Lincoln Mercury have similar models that many parts interchange on but have different pricing because they are different. Good video!
@likhwadube5937
7 жыл бұрын
Snap Mac Ever heard of brand loyalty? Companies like Snap On rely on this to charge ridiculous prices as they know there's a hard core group that will buy their stuff regardless of price. Even if there's equal or better quality stuff at cheaper prices....
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Simple answer they don't ;)
@ZeroCoolOO7
2 жыл бұрын
Why would a company do this? To corner the market. They do the same thing in the grocery business... name brand can goods at full price vs store brand at half price (but they are the same product). They get the consumers to buy either product and they have made a 📈.
@brad3741
3 жыл бұрын
I just got some Wiiliams USA made sockets. They are not identical to my snap-on. They have slight cosmetic difference on the outside of the socket. But inside, drive end and fastener end look to be identical. Broaching looks the same, very clean machining on both brands. The big difference is the finish and chrome. The Williams most definitely is not as nice as snap-on. This is not a big deal, they just aren't as pretty. However, a couple of my Williams sockets had very poor chrome. No chrome at all on parts of the socket. I bought them on Amazon, so I exchanged them. The replacement set of sockets looks pretty good. For the money, I don't know of a USA made socket that is this good of a deal. I am still trying to buy American made tools, but it's getting hard to do unless I want to spend crazy money.
@RecklessEnterainment
5 жыл бұрын
Williams has two lines as well, USA made tools and Taiwanese made tools. The USA made stuff is similar to snap on, the Taiwanese stuff seems to be similar to blue point stuff. Also the tools offered by CASE IH are made by snap on too but they’re all Taiwanese made and some of them are the same as what’s sold as Williams tools. I have some Williams USA made sockets and they’re very nice. Not sure how easy they are to warranty. I’m sure no where near as easy as the snap on branded products.
@tylersowa3858
2 жыл бұрын
I like snap on ( I have a fair amount) but I have always liked Mac tools over snapon
@ViperMods_216
4 жыл бұрын
Wright Grip is the MVP
@josephriddle2772
3 жыл бұрын
You got that rite!! Wrightgrip2.0 wrench 🔧 🔧🔧🔧🔧
@DOYLECLEVERLOBE1
7 жыл бұрын
All I have read is that after Armstrong was shut down that Apex are putting more focus on Gearwrench brand whatever that means lol.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Remember Matco is no longer owned by Apex, hence them dropping production at the Armstrong plant, moved to a different US tool maker, that I can't remember the name of
@zzre7456
7 жыл бұрын
Flatrate Master New subscriber here; I like your content. I do quite of bit of work on the side but I am senior mechanical engineer at my day job but I do stay busy with my tools. I really liked the latest offerings from Armstrong especially their long combination wrenches. The design of the handles on their ratchets work really well for me. I couldn't ask for a better wrench than the Armstrong wrenches but for sizes larger than 15mm in both standard length and long I go with Snap-on. I really like Armstrong's torque wrenches and ratchet wrenches too. I never cared much for Armstrong sockets so I mostly use SK in metric and Snap-on for SAE. Anyways, I really hate to see Armstrong go away. I use quite a bit of their stuff and it feels just as good in my hands as my Snap-on tools. All my 1/2 drive stuff is Snap-on but Armstrong came to be my go-to tools. I don't think I will extend that to GearWrench.
@davidkanengieter
6 жыл бұрын
Matco's secondary line (can't think of the name, use to be Silver Eagle) have their impact sockets made by Sunex now. They also make impact sockets branded for NAPA.
@kmadamsable
6 жыл бұрын
Off the rant but I know the military spec snap on tools are a lower grade steel with no warranty.
@upminer6162
2 жыл бұрын
People are idiots never going to change that.... I use Proto, Williams, and Armstrong in an industrial plant. We have some snap on stuff too. Industrial tools are made to be tough that's it. A tool truck tool definitely has better fit and finish as well as quality to withstand daily use. They aren't the same I have notice the ones that ARE the same Williams is a good example, the screwdrivers are the same as the OLD snap on. The ratchets are very similar to old production snap on but the gearing is different again toughness is the main part they aren't smooth as my snap on ratchets. Nothing wrong with them getting some more mileage out of their old designs on the industrial side but even then they change them. I have quite a bit of Proto at home because the supplier to where I work sells it to the guy off the street at a huge discount. Great stuff but it's not Mac. I have a lot of Mac stuff and it's far different
@paulb4496
2 жыл бұрын
You are buying the warranty with Mac and Snap on. Snap on and Mac don't sell Tools...they sell tool DEALERSHIPS. WRIGHT, SK, PROTO, MARTIN if you are not an Automobile Technician get the Industrial tools. I have worked on HVAC for 49 years and Klein, Diamond, SK, USA Craftsman have served me well and I have saved tens of thousands of dollars over what I would have given your Snap on and Mac dealer who vacations in Hawaii with your money!
@johnb1121
4 жыл бұрын
What tools do you use for drum brakes make a video please.....
@johnwilliams9526
Жыл бұрын
I have a few Williams tools and find them to be good tools.
@brianbowman5402
7 жыл бұрын
Good info without much rant, thanks.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, had to keep it PC:)
@robertschultz9260
7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Snap On industrial where its the exact same but cheaper.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
I didn't forget, just didn't want to add confusion of that into the discussion:)
@motorcyclesandridingfree2899
7 жыл бұрын
Plus they dont have the same warranty in some cases.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@HaHaHaquote
7 жыл бұрын
i have had more luck sith sk and proto then i have with snapon, but that is just me, but snapon does make an absolutely fantastic ratchet
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
They make good stuff at affordable prices
@CocoaBeachLiving
3 жыл бұрын
Snap-on definitely doesn't give out its metallurgical info. My customers ask all the time; I can't get that info. Besides, they keep moving their tool manufacture to Taiwan.
@Smokin07ram
6 жыл бұрын
How is it that the same company owns both brands and one is cheaper.....because they want to make less money? Right.......Sure! OK maybe Not! Torque wrenches are a really good discussion point for this, as though it might be made by the same brand, there is very little in similarity in fit, finish, and internal detailing...attention to detail is expensive! Sometimes good is good enough though....got to choose your battles. I like your thinking FRM!
@deepsquat600
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah that "its the same " crap used to bother me when I sold mattresses.. people would think a Sealy was a sealy .... not true ..good Sealys..Excellent Sealy Posturpedic /// same factory different specs// Or car..Cadillac and Chevette .. same ...I think not
@JFoxtrot
7 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a city mechanic for closer to 40 years and had a massive tool collection most of which I now have. He had a ton of Williams stuff and over the years of me using it professionally and non-professionally I broke some pieces, the Snap On guys always gave me a snap-on replacement. In some instances I don't think there was a Williams model anymore but in others there were, I asked one of them once and the tool guy just said it's all the same s$%t.
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
It was easier to warranty you a snap on tool than go through the process to replace it with Williams;)
@onegunsalute1202
3 жыл бұрын
I gave this video a thumbs up. But I do have to say William comes in the EXACT same as bluepoint from the packaging down to the color and dimensions packaging and sockets. I only have one solid oldschool William's half inch ratchet that was a gift. But I can say bluepoint is snap ons steel formula just not made allowed to say snap on because it's not made in their usa snapon factory. One would think then William's would use this same formula if it is indeed bluepoint relabled. Feel free to chime in I like to here others thoughts and views.
@tylersowa3858
2 жыл бұрын
Your right though!
@gordonfreeman5434
7 жыл бұрын
Saying SO is the best is almost as same as saying apple is best Yes yes more rants please FRM!!!!!
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Snap On is not always the best, and I hate Apple;) Trust me more Rants will happen:)
@TTacLLC
7 жыл бұрын
great rant. keep them coming
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Will do!
@MrMarty77777
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think there is a difference between Milwaukee impacts from home depot vs tool truck Milwaukee. I've got 4 bad impacts out of the box from Amazon and home depot.
@mevsme6416
7 жыл бұрын
bruh, they're identical lol. ford, lincoln, mercury. VW, Audi. Toyota, Lexus, scion. its all the same. one just has a few more bells and whistles.
@stevehargis1315
6 жыл бұрын
Check out auto tool world they sell williams usa great company and changing dyes tooling steals is big money I work in a machine shop so it's much more cost saving to use same tooling same dyes ect and williams tools arnt mass produced there usually made to order so the quality is sometimes better
@snap-off5383
3 жыл бұрын
Well, you don't know absolutely but you do know that re-tooling and re-dying costs $, so that makes an economic incentive by which you can judge the odds. You know the "duck" analogy. And sometimes you do get that information. Eric gave it to us re: the Daytona Jack for example.
@BA-pz3lo
5 жыл бұрын
My snap on 1/2 ratchet is better than my Williams 1/2 ratchet. The tooth count is finer on the snap on and has less back drag while I’m ratcheting. Williams is much cheaper but snap on is better in the ratchet department. As far is sockets go I’ll go with Williams since it’s cheaper. As far as wrenches go snap on is better because it has the flank drive Williams doesn’t. But again snap on is way more expensive.
@GH-oi2jf
3 жыл бұрын
But are the ratchet bodies different? The internal parts might be different, though in the same body.
@honchoryanc
2 жыл бұрын
Williams is made in taiwan now so the point is moot now.
@embreesmith7613
7 жыл бұрын
most of my tools are Wright, or Proto my ratchets are not even chromed luv Proto/Mac/Stanley
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
They are very good tools!
@jasonripp8815
6 жыл бұрын
For consumer grade Stanley is very good. Much better than craftsman in my opinion.
@davedook3959
5 жыл бұрын
Proto tools are the best , ask any millwright
@ViperMods_216
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if any other techs use wright tool? I've always loved their tools
@flatratemaster
5 жыл бұрын
I have gotten several comments that people do
@markkobza8129
4 жыл бұрын
i have a metric set chrome deep 3/8 drive from 6mm-19mm. got them at fleet farm in 89. still use them, im a tractor trailer mechanic. they're great sockets.
@gilbymdg9609
7 жыл бұрын
some sound advice here FRM ive never even herd of Williams untill now. GP
@flatratemaster
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, lots of people here in the states have never heard of many of the Euro tool brands either Hazet, Gedore, etc
@EyebelieveTheNarrative
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that the flat rate master even had to make this video is a win for consumers. Obviously he is correct but the fact people can say “they’re the same” with any level of confidence shows the level of quality of the B tier tools.
@mechanicandskills7215
6 жыл бұрын
some may disagree but put the sockets on a scale
@Freetheworldnow
6 жыл бұрын
Thats a no go!! The engridients that compose the steel along the manufacturing proces are the biggest determining factors. Metallurgy is an art, a science.
@bryankbeane
6 жыл бұрын
As far as food production things are made I the same place but “pack specs” are completely different all the way down to the quality of ingredients.
@JuanGonzalez-qg3oc
6 жыл бұрын
So is snap on over priced or not??? If it comes down to economics.
@devoncoolman88
4 жыл бұрын
This is an argument ive been in more times then i care to count. Even if said tools are made in the same factory doesn’t mean they are the same. Even if they use the same dies doesn’t mean they use the same steel or the same heat treating process. I believe that some tools they may use the same dies to save money. But im sure the heat treat process is not at good or the steel used is not as good. Who knows. I know no more then the idiots that say they are exactly the same with out any inside knowledge.
@thunderstruck5484
5 жыл бұрын
its like bud and busch made at same brewery right? one cheaper I guess
@MrLaloman18
11 ай бұрын
Nothing beats German Hazet tools, it destroys all USA brands!
@978motorsports
2 жыл бұрын
Idk tell that to harbor freight when snap on tried sueing there ass about the jacks and harbor freight called there ass out about being the same and snap on lost the court battle
@andrewscott8892
3 жыл бұрын
You can still get new old stock Armstrong, I got a new 1/2 and 3/8 maxx 88 ratchets
@lost94133
5 жыл бұрын
If you don't work on cars and trucks for a living you do not need snap on tools. Period
@Lasurge1982
5 жыл бұрын
lost94133 that’s a Little arrogant don’t think? I’m not a tech but I buy snap on all the time. Do I need it.....no. Do I want it ? Yes. We live in a free country if people want to use snap on that’s there choice and there right to do so.
@davidthecardcollector
4 жыл бұрын
Snap on is over priced and over rated. Buy Harbor Freight and if it breaks take it back for exchange or buy another one.
@garretr4488
4 жыл бұрын
Da C. Some of us can’t deal with shit tools screwing up fasteners or breaking all the time which wastes all kinds of time. You get what you pay for and it’s worth buying quality in the long run for professionals
@ryans9029
6 жыл бұрын
I also definitely know that snap on makes the absolute best looking and feeling tools on the market as always have. Some of the German matte chrome stuff, hazet sockets etc... Are right up there. But SO hexa chrome is the best looking hardest wearing imo by far. I'm far from a truck hater. Far far from it. But it is what it is. I also agree that a few things like flare nut wrenches are snap on or nothing. Absolutely the best.
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