You can play vraska with the phyrexian mana cause it checks first how many counters she had.. so it enters with 12 and only after the doubling it looses 2 for the phyrexian mana
@TrepidFaceHugger
Ай бұрын
Essential knowledge to pilot this deck
@zigzag2370
Ай бұрын
this is technically crim paygrade level so we cant expect Seth to remember this on arena 😅
@sheaandrus-oak6546
Ай бұрын
@zigzag2370 Hey, when you can consistently win with mistakes, makes you at least a decent player
@RBGolbat
Ай бұрын
Not quite. It’s a replacement effect and they both happen at the same time, so the owner of the Vraska chooses which order to apply them. So Vraska could either enter with (6*2)-2 counters, or (6-2)*2 instead.
@ich3730
Ай бұрын
@@sheaandrus-oak6546 would that not rather indicate the deck being good? If you dont even have to play well and still win?
@as95ms98
Ай бұрын
I got hit with this the other day before I knew about the deck and was thoroughly impressed! I was thinking "Okay so regular Golgari Mid-Range with Inn-Keepers talent for value? Seems like there are better cards than just buffing a Sheoldred slightly." Then BAM I'm dead to Poison from Vraska Instant Ult.
@Akabeche
Ай бұрын
Lol it takes a great person to lose due to this combo and say that you're "impressed" and not "this game is bullshit, I hate it". Not being snarky If I got surprised by this interaction I'd have been a bit mad lol
@ther3aper561
Ай бұрын
@@Akabeche I'd honestly probably be too stunned to be mad. Like that weird 5c battle combo deck, I got killed once a couple days before Seth uploaded his video with it and was like ah ok that makes sense now
@avery61
Ай бұрын
Same. Got hit from nowhere, even had enchantment removal in-hand I could have used the turn prior and opted to make a different play. Live & Learn.
@MrMartinSchou
Ай бұрын
Technically, you can survive Vraska hitting the table and ultimating. All you have to do is get yourself to 9 poison counters. Then Vraska will give you 0, and double that to another 0. Easy as stealing candy from Fort Knox.
@Nostale97
Ай бұрын
True, although at that point Vraska can use the 0 ability, proliferate and kill you anyway instead 😅
@domotoro3552
Ай бұрын
@@Nostale97 this is why we give ourselves 9 poison counters at instant speed in response to the vraska activation, buying us a turn to deal with vraska 😎😎
@Xorthis
Ай бұрын
@@domotoro3552 Pfft, just don't lose the game. "You can't lose the game" is the best ability. I'm so happy faceless haven/book of exhalted deeds combo is dead.
@RedPandaStan
Ай бұрын
The fact this slots so perfectly into golgari midrange, which is already one of the best decks in standard. Evem if you don't draw the combo, you just beat down proper midrange style. This will definitely be played competitively, almost reminds me of a worse version of rakdos vampires
@timwu15
Ай бұрын
Seth's getting a furnace at home to incinerate all the leftover Magic cards.
@7th_Heaven
Ай бұрын
A Blast Furnace Hellkite? 😁
@theremy-levelup
Ай бұрын
"not cool opponent, not cool..." I was like, WTH did the opponent do? Then look at the top-left, oh...
@shucka12
Ай бұрын
Did not come into this video expecting Korn and all of Nu Metal to catch strays
@aphalen9300
Ай бұрын
Especially when the name is kron and not korn
@feihceht656
Ай бұрын
Butt rock moment
@dogninja8
Ай бұрын
@@aphalen9300 but does it surprise you that he misread it?
@0rphio333
Ай бұрын
@@dogninja8 He must be dyslexic..... Right?
@aphalen9300
Ай бұрын
@@dogninja8 never
@sireklz1169
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the BO3 content it helps those who look to play in paper on a competitive level learn to sideboard more effectively.
@aringrey
Ай бұрын
finally we get this episode after him talking about it in the previous episode
@gemyniraptor8626
Ай бұрын
I find it interesting that theres like 3 different Golgari decks running around Standard atm : Landfall Bioluminecent combo, Golgari Midgrange good stuff and this Innkeppers Walker combo
@muhammadrafi4723
Ай бұрын
+any variation of Roots combo
@TheEvolver311
Ай бұрын
Black decks have been dominating standard for years now
@RedPandaStan
Ай бұрын
Ok but tbf golgari midrange and this walker combo r p much the same deck, just with two cards being different. its the difference between chord of calling amalia and normal amalia lol
@grugglethegreat8172
Ай бұрын
Worst of all, golgari and orzhov are also the best colors to counter the combos, so we have midrange decks trying to prey on midrange decks and out grind each other. Playing green black has been exhausting on the ladder. Everything is a midrange mirror and 20 minute games just to split 1-2.
@muffinhydra
Ай бұрын
I think the strongest part about the talent is that it stacks. All 3 levels stack and amplify each other. ( you get ward 1 x 2 for 2 level 2 talents)
@LadyMapi
Ай бұрын
It's also a Doubling Season that costs 2 on its front end instead of 5, which lets you thread it into your curve more smoothly.
@JonReid01
Ай бұрын
@@LadyMapidoubling season doubles tokens tho
@nephdrummond3168
Ай бұрын
@@JonReid01Yeah doubling season is still arguably better a lot of the time, but it doesn’t double counters on players so it doesn’t work for the vraska kill, and it doubles counters being put on permanents you control regardless of where they’re coming from so it also doubles negative counters. It’s definitely better most of the time, but in this case it doesn’t work at all, and it’s got its own downsides
@demithefiend
Ай бұрын
You could cast Vraska using Phyrexian mana and still ultimate. This is bc you get to choose which order replacement effects apply, so you can choose to double then remove 2, meaning it will enter with 10 loyalty. This tech also works with Vorinclex and other similar effects
@demithefiend
Ай бұрын
or if you like doing things the hard way, you could also choose to remove 2 then double, making Vraska enter with 8 loyalty then either waiting another turn or proliferating before ultimating
@Therealdobby
Ай бұрын
I’ve been enjoying Bloomburrow standard. I modified the old Doppelgang Simic Burn deck you made a little while back, adding in the landfall burn lizard as an added wincon. And I JUST played against this deck, haha. Very fun standard so far!
@jk6971
Ай бұрын
May I trouble you for the list of that landfall burn deck? Sounds really cool
@OrcaIguana
Ай бұрын
I gotta say I've been loving Bloom burrow constructed. First time I've spent money on mtgo in a long time was to build a modern lizard deck.
@OGTahoe3
Ай бұрын
If this deck takes off. Enchantment removal and counter spells go way up in usefulness
@louisdooner1497
Ай бұрын
*Seth with tunnel voice* “Pillage the bog bog bog bog bog…”
@Jalabhar_Xho
Ай бұрын
This is Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider at home
@TheDylls
Ай бұрын
I'm watching this fresh off of watching a Commander game and when you played the first Lilly and ulted I was like "Wow, can't believe you'd go after a player like that and really lock them out of the game!" Then I realized what was going on 😂😂😂❤❤
@drinkwater9264
Ай бұрын
Compleated applies after replacement effects so u can actually use a veraska at 5 mana and still ult and keep her alive
@dangottsacker2061
Ай бұрын
I think you can pay 5 mana for Vraska and still be able to ult.
@kahnathara6542
Ай бұрын
5 mana Vraska would enter with 4 counters doubled to 8 so it would be one off ulting unless you have two max lvl inkeepers
@dangottsacker2061
Ай бұрын
@@kahnathara6542The -2 loyalty happens after doubling to 12.
@thejesteramongfools
Ай бұрын
Yes you are right it works.
@DerplingKing
Ай бұрын
@@kahnathara6542 oddly, compleated removes the two counters after the doubling. So 6 doubled to 12 minus 2 for 10. I'm not entirely sure why it works this way, but it does work
@justwantawholename
Ай бұрын
@@DerplingKingcomplaeted and innkeepers are both replacement effects, so you get to pick the order. Arena chooses the right one by default
@CyberNewType
Ай бұрын
Seth = who ALWAYS plays scared Also Seth = “Good bluff opponent” 🤦🏾♂️
@TyFree1993
Ай бұрын
I heard the knocking and immediately thought "Jumanji!"
@daviegourevitch
Ай бұрын
Why does it sound like Seth's in a tunnel for the whole video 😭
@JonReid01
Ай бұрын
Editor added some leveler or some other audio fix to remove the fan noise a few videos ago 😂 id rather have the fan noise
@7th_Heaven
Ай бұрын
This video had me pondering about Super Secret Tech... a surprisingly hard to pull card "Ooh shiny!!"
@Tharkon
13 күн бұрын
It's very different from Doubling Season. Most importantly, Doubling Season doesn't work as well with Vraska because it doesn't affect counters on players. It also doesn't affect counters on permanents you don't control. In return it does affect tokens you create.
@triplea657aaa
46 минут бұрын
I just built a deck like this recently xD It's so fun and soooo good. Just play great B/G midrange and have combo-kills
@PainasaurusRex
Ай бұрын
My experience with bloomburrow is that I've been playing a pretty janky pile of racoon ramp since I don't have enough wild cards. They are way deeper and more interesting then I thought they'd be and I hope the expend mechanic returns. Drawing through most of the deck using Smuggler's Surprise, Fetch Quest, Muera, and Dragonhawk is very fun.
@gemyniraptor8626
Ай бұрын
Seth. why are you playing Assassins Trophy We Have At Home, when Assassin's Trophy is legal in Standard again?
@locokrazy
Ай бұрын
It was reprinted in a set a few months back. Murders at karlov manor i believe
@Crusina
Ай бұрын
Re read their post @@locokrazy
@richardalan5064
Ай бұрын
@@locokrazy I think they mean the Tear Asunder? Exile and not ramping the opponent is an upside. But if you have to hit a non-artifact/enchantment it's a bit pricey
@grugglethegreat8172
Ай бұрын
In midrange mirrors, I feel like giving my opponent the land will lead to me losing more often than not in the long grind.
@ZeroIsEven
Ай бұрын
Kron Korn
@DavyMcWavy
20 күн бұрын
I like that the translation says “crown grain”.
@lotusfielddynamo888
Ай бұрын
I feel like what I learned from this is not that innkeepers talent is good but that pillage is really hood
@Atzros
Ай бұрын
I was BAFFLED that this card dropped down to a dollar during pre-release - the moment I saw it, I knew it was at least a thirty dollar card because Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider commands a ~60 dollar pricetag (oops, down to ~50) due to doubling loyalty counters, and while it lacks the asymmetrical counter tax he does, I'd say it should be at least half as good as that. Thanks for overlooking it, though - managed to get a foil at 5bux because people just entirely glossed over the counter-doubling effect; I wish I bought more Innkeeper Coin to flip, though :Y
@Oceanz08
Ай бұрын
:16 MTGgoldfish overlooking cards from spoiler season?! who would of ever guessed lol
@sheaandrus-oak6546
Ай бұрын
This build is actually doing things and stuff. Once the build gets solved, it just might be the best deck in the formate
@Zee-jp9vn
Ай бұрын
I think that Red black lizard is really slept on
@horizonfan
Ай бұрын
To slow
@Zee-jp9vn
Ай бұрын
They are on the slower end but have a really strong ability to keep pressure up and stabilise
@MaleusMaleficarum
Ай бұрын
The land starved play mode.. is what I have experienced trying to run variations of this deck. I think that is the only way the shuffler has to keep this deck in check.
@testerfritz
Ай бұрын
Such a fun deck, thanks. Keep up!
@xchronox0
Ай бұрын
I play a fair innkeeper's talent along with stocking the pantry. For just 3 mana and whatever creature, you get a counter that lets you pay 2 to draw a card every turn. It's really funny in my raccoons deck, because it has a lot of ramp, and some roaming thrones to double up all my muerra and expend triggers. I got a funny win out of this. I had big wandertale mentor, 2 roaming thrones, and level 3 innkeeper. Opponent didn't know that meant the wandertale mentor had 3 ward 1s and wasted a removal spell on it.
@atheistforcastiel9376
Ай бұрын
I’m so enfranchised that when Seth said, “There’s hammering.” I thought he meant Colossus Hammer…
@nosyamthegreat8768
Ай бұрын
19:00 and i am infinitly happy about this. We need manabases to actually be hard to make
@JoshuaSAlt31
Ай бұрын
One of my favorite new combo decks
@Pishcott85
Ай бұрын
That's funny. Cause I play arena this morning, open this talent on booster and start to thinking how to abuse it ... :D thank you for inspiration
I suggest that Karn emblem + food token or Wrenn emblem + Lilian at graveyard.it's so exciting.
@RationalEgoism
Ай бұрын
The Radkos Joins Up / Hulking Metamorph combo is much harder to pull off now even though all the necessary cards are still there. The Stormsplitter combo also appears difficult to pull off. I think this one has potential. I'm 2-0 with it so far. I pulled off Vraska's ult with one phyrexian mana.
@cupcakeapplesauce
Ай бұрын
27:45 if you don't have a turn 1 play and you aren't short on colors wouldn't fabled passage on turn 1 provide deck thinning?
@lemteegee
Ай бұрын
One of the things that people sleep on is it also doubles stun counters your frogs put on opponents creatures :D
@GabrielleHolgate-oh1jk
Ай бұрын
Also on your own... No innkeeper frogs, sadly.
@ave_maria323
Ай бұрын
I been building bats in bloomburrow, made a nice rat lock deck in timeless too :).
@FerritZA
Ай бұрын
Probably going to see a lot of this on arena very soon!
@JacoDeltaco
Ай бұрын
the 2 opponent was making so many pun that I wonder if it was there first game in a long time
@AnnaWilliams88
Ай бұрын
ive been playing with this since bloomburrow released its fun af ^^
@jorritdriessen5728
Ай бұрын
Vraska also works while compleated right? 6 x 2 - 2 = 10 > 9
@Alexander-rk4cu
Ай бұрын
no, because if you play vraska at 5 mana and 2 life, the starting loyalty will be 4, due to her compleated text, leaving her at 8. because of the wording of compleated, is not that she enters with 6 loyalty and then loses 2 loyalty. but she enter with 2 less.
@thejesteramongfools
Ай бұрын
Yes, this works, and Arena will auto order the replacement effects in your favor. They are both replacement effects, so you can choose to apply the x2 first, then -2 working out to 10 loyalty. You could if you wanted to choose to apply them in a different order and not be able to do the combo, but I can't think of a reason why you would.
@thejesteramongfools
Ай бұрын
@Alexander-rk4cu it works it doesn't actually change the amount of loyalty on the card so inn keepers will still see the 6 if you choose to apply it first. Arena just shows you 4 because it's trying to give you a visual representation without you having to do the math. But it will auto trigger correctly. If you want a video that show cases this you can watch LVD's video of a similar deck that ran this combo and he shows it
@Alexander-rk4cu
Ай бұрын
@@thejesteramongfools huh, interresting. thanks. (goddamn rules and replacment effects, geeze, and i normaly play Yarrok, these should be the ones i know.)
@CanaanWhitston
Ай бұрын
Oh, so this is why all i've been playing against is Golgari for the last 24 hours on Arena, lol.
@_hipflexion
Ай бұрын
This seems pretty consistent.
@koolaiddude7685894
Ай бұрын
I feel like this deck is gonna just eventually lose to other Golgari decks running pick your poison, tear asunder, and frillback.
@sammielawrence4781
Ай бұрын
No really tho. That's very wise sidedecking
@koolaiddude7685894
Ай бұрын
@@sammielawrence4781 pretty sure anyone running any type of enchantment removal is just gonna hose this deck lol you could honestly even mainboard a few of those cards i mentioned
@PhaseZero-cq6ow
Ай бұрын
@@koolaiddude7685894 If there is too much enchanment removal you just dont bother leveling it up or side it out. Its still a golgari midrange deck that can win a fair game.
@sammielawrence4781
Ай бұрын
@@koolaiddude7685894 I was also thinking of main boarding some of em for spice.
@surfinggarchomp2820
Ай бұрын
@@koolaiddude7685894 the trick with this deck is it plays good cards AND a combo, so it works kinda like rakdos vamps in pioneer where you can stop the combo and still lose to fair midrange beats.
@cryptic3599
Ай бұрын
new drinking game everytime he says "opponent" take a shot
@colerockman385
Ай бұрын
Seth not understanding that you can play varska for 5 and phyrexian mana will still win, is making this hard to watch....
@Thor8151990
Ай бұрын
*checks card price* Yeah... Sleeper....
@Pidgeonsofwar
Ай бұрын
It more than doubled thanks to Seth lol.
@PhaseZero-cq6ow
Ай бұрын
@@Pidgeonsofwar It shot up a week ago when everyone started playing it.
@Pidgeonsofwar
Ай бұрын
@@PhaseZero-cq6ow I checked before the video, and in Europe it was about £3.50. It's now £10.50.
@HauberkV
Ай бұрын
i see potential for Inkeeper's in the historic superfriends deck you put together a while ago
@austind2784
Ай бұрын
Ooo I wanna run in keepers talent with Goldvien Hydra and dopplegang.
@Petronio39
Ай бұрын
I'm not sure what the advantage of plotting the pillage is, especially if he's going to cast it the next turn pre land drop anyway. Like, theoretically, I get doing it on an early turn, then cashing it in later when you have a lot of lands and can dig deeper, but once you're already at 5+ lands, shouldn't you just be cashing that thing in right away?
@atlantorgaming5933
Ай бұрын
So there are a couple reasons to do this, one is for mana’s sake, if you only have 3 mana available you can use that extra mana without wasting it. It also allows you to dodge almost any type of hand interaction, targeted discard and multiple discard as all of those are at sorcery speed. It also digs 1-3 cards deeper waiting an extra turn as you have a draw step as well as a possible land drop. Unless you are playing a hard control deck that is tapped out for this turn you pretty much always have an advantage to plotting it
@JoshuaSAlt31
Ай бұрын
Check out Visions Of Atlantis, kickass Pirate Metal
@raynmanshorts9275
Ай бұрын
Poison and loyalty being tracked by counters was a mistake.
@seanmoley3142
Ай бұрын
I've been playing this deck all day and never ultimated the planes walker once sigh....
@SoftyMage
Ай бұрын
Definitely wanted to watch Seth play this. Is it just me or does the sound like Seth is in a Gym?
@PhaseZero-cq6ow
Ай бұрын
There is definitely an echo.
@KoshoShinogi
Ай бұрын
Every content creator one after another is putting out their Innkeeper's Talent combo video and I want to know, is it just another content creator deck or will it actually be a force in standard?
@montefrenkel8205
Ай бұрын
I wonder if this would work with new Oko. 4 mana to make a token copy of all your non-land permanents (and still have oko alive at 1 loyalty) seems pretty strong.
@zga042
Ай бұрын
ah yes, Ash's Rival from Pokémon, Gol-Gary
@thomasjohnston4083
3 күн бұрын
30:41 Why not duress? You didn't save the mana for anything.
@randomaether
Ай бұрын
People playing Inkeepers talent, me playing Mono Green Devotion in Historic and Timeless to instantly pop Ugin with Vorinclex, we are not the same
@alaraplatt8104
Ай бұрын
doesnt sound as good when u literally said u were doing "the same"
@randomaether
Ай бұрын
@@alaraplatt8104 you are right, should swap it to something like, similar
@alaraplatt8104
Ай бұрын
yea that looks better
@REON-pw5ze
Ай бұрын
sometimes Saff sounds like he's puking while speaking, grunts WRUAAAAH
@ther3aper561
Ай бұрын
I know it doesn't need to be in here, but does either of the Wrenns fit in anywhere?
@JacoDeltaco
Ай бұрын
Seth worrie about the hammer. Me the brick on my wall is being remove right now to be fix the noise is intance
@feltyone
Ай бұрын
Pillage is insanely underrated
@sheaandrus-oak6546
Ай бұрын
This reminds me of the Big Clexy that ulted tibalt but better, and hey, Big Clexy is now 💸💸💸💸
@denversmith5556
Ай бұрын
Wow here witihin minutes. I love it
@chrisbonjour111
Ай бұрын
Why not play Treasure Hydra. It seems a good x1 in this deck with talent.
@JoshuaSAlt31
Ай бұрын
Could have one many games at that 5 mana open
@michaelrivera8665
Ай бұрын
Thought that was the soundtrack from Jumanji :)
@seanmoley3142
Ай бұрын
Who do you play? I've built this deck exactly as you did and I can't even get out of platinum it's ridiculous 🙄
@kaisengrossnickle281
Ай бұрын
How does your deck have 60 cards? That adds up the 56
@antoinesavard-sevigny3442
Ай бұрын
Slipknot was great Numetal and is still great :)
@casinoboy8871
Ай бұрын
Run banishing light if it gets out of hand 😂
@chupacabra8821
Ай бұрын
Doubling season in standard. What could go wrong?
@ecoKady
Ай бұрын
Innkeeper's Talent is going to cost me so much FOMO money I loved the card on release for commander, but I KNOW cards decrease in price after release. Wait a little while and it'll be $5. Now it's $20 and I'll never justify paying that cost for casual commander. (i did, however, save myself some money on Excalibur by waiting which I think will be a $20 card next year when everyone realizes how few Assassin's Creed boosters were opened.)
@Kringly9
Ай бұрын
"I only instantly ultimated a liliana... that's fair"
@JonReid01
Ай бұрын
Lol this is the deck richard got wrecked with on MTGO 😂
@qubingjianshen8210
Ай бұрын
You keep asking for more lands when you already have 5 lands, sometimes even castin Pillage the Bog to get a 6th land. You can cast Vraska for 5 mana, the doubling from Inkeepers Talent will happend before the loyalty reduction from compleation so you can still ultimate right away.
@Kalenz1234
Ай бұрын
It's like half of the 6 mana Vorinclex
@askmeagain43
Ай бұрын
I so badly wanna run this deck but as per usual arena isn't hadning out enough wild cards. I can't craft fun decks so I don't play. I don't play so I don't get more wild cards. And the cycle continues.
@stephenhousman6975
Ай бұрын
44:00 I am confused couldn't you just win here?
@sp1nandroll
Ай бұрын
the deck is good, but I've gotta your opponents played some really funky builds and I'm not sure it would perform this well against more refined decks
@Avarter123
Ай бұрын
would this be any good for poison decks?
@Beowulfgang_Amadeus
Ай бұрын
How did Seth mispronounce a 4 letter word? Kron?
@trevorwilliams8353
Ай бұрын
If anyone is looking for new nu-metal, might I suggest tallah 7:27
@Leafycoke
Ай бұрын
LILIANA OF THE VEIL IS IN STANDARD?!
@ODIRGO
Ай бұрын
The card.... Ygra. Seth .... Yagra.
@jyrinx
Ай бұрын
Curious if it's worth considering playing with ramp instead of Pillage the Bog, if you're using it so often to hit land drops and the combo needs so much mana. On the other hand hitting Talent is so important that maybe you need the flexibility more than you need ramp
@PhaseZero-cq6ow
Ай бұрын
Why not both? They aren't mutually exclusive. I have been playing the new ramp frog in my list for the last week. Its ramp and provides a reach body for the counters.
@jyrinx
Ай бұрын
@@PhaseZero-cq6ow Makes sense, if there's something the deck can drop?
@PhaseZero-cq6ow
Ай бұрын
@@jyrinx For the list in the video, you can trim some Lili, Pillages, and Preachers. I don't play any preachers myself, but I play it a little more controlling with Deadly Coverups. The only cards I think are core, are Vraska, Innkeeper, Bat, and Dreadknight. Everything else can be adjusted to desired playstyle/meta.
@balistafreak
Ай бұрын
Sometimes you need more mana to finish leveling up Talent and then drop Vraska. Sometimes you need to draw talent. Sometimes you need to draw Vraska. This flexibility is why Pillage is important, it does all 3 and digs so many cards deep that even if you don't find the combo piece you were looking for, you've deterministically put yourself that many cards closer to it. If you have 40 cards in your deck and you Pillage for 16 yet find 0 combo pieces, you can probably take a second Pillage with your Pillage and search again.
@neerbronoc
Ай бұрын
slipknot still goes hard. iowa is a masterpiece.
@ilikememes6271
Ай бұрын
LegenVD also did a video on this
@not_a_can
Ай бұрын
idk if you can call it against the odds when the main card of the deck is spiking XD
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