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@gurgy3
5 жыл бұрын
You forgot to list the bread.
@topprotips5250
4 жыл бұрын
jeffostroff this guys a moron and not a plumber . Steve lav is a real plumber . He cooked that pipe . Bread doesn’t always work . Rookie
@UtwoBed
5 жыл бұрын
A trick I have used many times is to open a sink valve or spigot anywhere on the same line and stick my wet/dry vac hose loosely over that to create a slight suction on the line. This draws the water away from the fitting I want to solder and drys it out. Works like a charm every time.
@my2centz196
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've done that also and it does work well but I prefer using bread because it's easier and quicker but when I didn't have any bread and the homeowner doesn't either that does work also. I have an adapter that fits on to my vacuum with a piece or pex pipe attached to it and I'll tape it to the faucet. I've been meaning to put an adapter on it for years but I always forget about it or say I'll do it late or next time lol. Also you want the valves open anyway so it doesn't put positive pressure on the line and cause a pinhole leak.
@UtwoBed
5 жыл бұрын
@@my2centz196 That's why I just let the hose hang loosely, because my vacuum is so powerful it would suck the solder right out of the joint if I sealed it on there tight.
@my2centz196
5 жыл бұрын
@@UtwoBed yeah that makes sense and it's definitely a good idea. I always open as many faucets as possible even if I'm not using a vacuum because the torch will cause it to have a positive pressure alone. I've never thought about leaving the vacuum lose mostly because it would fall off but the vacuum I use is a ridged shop vac. I forget the amps but it's like a 10gal I think can't remember that either lol. I wouldn't say mine is that powerful it's just your average shop vac nothing special so I never really had that problem but most of the time I'll just open one more faucet suck the water out and turn it off. I've also just blown it out but it it's a leaking gate valve somewhere and I'm not replacing it I'll leave it on but I do take the bread shortcut more then anything.
@UtwoBed
5 жыл бұрын
@@del189 You are welcome. You know, necessity is the mother of invention. I had to solder a pipe in a house that had a leaking main valve. Water was trickling out so fast that bread would not hold long enough, so I thought, how the hell can I keep the water away from this joint? Shop-vac just popped into my head. (:-)
@dillwiggle2
5 жыл бұрын
@@UtwoBed Why not just cut the pipe anywhere after the main valve and slap in a shark bite valve and problem solved in about 5 minutes lol.
@Gary-ts6dh
5 жыл бұрын
I just realized from your presentation here that the reason I've seen so many journeyman plumbers bend the end of their solder was not only to get a better angle; but, it was also to mark how much solder to use on each joint. Thanks for that.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Yup that is exactly it and in the case when they are doing 1" pipes you will see them curve off about an inch. It's a great sanity check gauge to tell whether you have used enough solder because once it wicks into the joint you really can't see how much went in there.
@irishmike4914
Жыл бұрын
And when brazing with a stick always bend the end over itself. No trick just because if someone bumps you by bye eye
@brnmcc01
Жыл бұрын
heat the joint area first until you see the flux start to move and get hot, keep the flame moving from pipe to fitting back and forth over the joint area, then move the flame to just the coupling as soon as it's hot enough to start applying the solder. Don't just only heat the coupling, the problem with that is, if the joint isn't super tight, it takes too long for the heat transfer to the pipe, especially if its still damp inside and then the temperature difference of the coupling or fitting is too much higher than the pipe.
@common-man7378
4 жыл бұрын
Got the job done... that's good. One method explained well... that's good. You did a good job with video. Appreciate your time and effort to post and share your helps....
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you liked it.
@fenderstratguy
4 жыл бұрын
This trick is legit. it works!!! A plumber hipped me to this trick like 30 yrs ago and I did it. When you’re done soldering turn on the water and the wet bread oozes right out. Kinda looks like poop coming out.
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, used it a few times, still a classic in a pinch.
@eddienieves6704
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the trick I had spend like 45 minutes trying to drain all the water but thanks to you got done and worked like a charm
@snarlywhiplash7105
5 жыл бұрын
Who's the old plumber ?? Bcuz it ain't this dude with the torch that don't know heat rises. He shouldn't be telling nobody nothing Green as a bean
@petcatznz
5 жыл бұрын
You could have used a little less bread and saved some dough.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Ha! That's a classic!
@vp3970
4 жыл бұрын
petcatznz Heh heh heh 😏 laffing in Hawaii, now dats funny. I would tell him to break the Union on the house side of the meter eh but he would probably flood the neighborhood. I’m curious to see what he would do if the bread doesn’t stop the leak. 🌺
@raulgutierrez5920
4 жыл бұрын
"F" clown🤔🤣
@WEMO6412
5 жыл бұрын
Stop water flow as much as possible by turning meter off and on a few times , then find lowest supply which most likely would be the toilet water supply valve and remove line from shut off valve , use a to do or small lan under to catch leaking water , that will give you enough time to solder pipe , or loosening the meter adapter ( the big nut with the ruber washer , ) water won't go up the house , I've done it many times if the bread doesn't work , the bread trick only gives you like a minute or less depending on the amount of water leaking trhu . I'll try the bread first then exhaust the other options , one of them it's gonna work .and never give up. Get it done no matter what...
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
A we did it the opposite here we tried turning on all the faucets and all the other rooms and sinks and nothing helped because the gate just simply was not closing all the way on the valve. Also in many condos you can't just go outside and cut off the main because you'll take out other people's units with it which is a big problem with some of these older condos. They want to sign on the elevator with 24 hours notice about water being shut off tomorrow. In our case the bread trick held back the water for probably at least 10 minutes while we were filming this scene.
@tadpoleman3879
5 жыл бұрын
I use another method, I open all the water valves going to the hose bibbs. Then take a air compressor to blow the excess water out of the house long enough to solder the joint. It gives you about two minutes till you have to get done, but it works. You should blow the compressed air into the pipe to be soldered, for about fifteen seconds and time the waters return. This gives you the amount of time you will need to finish the solder joint. Using the bread as well should buy you more time. Using a vacuum to suck the water out into the lawn hose, should give you all the time you need. Great video. I never tried the bread trick
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Will the compressor stop even this flow of water that we showed here? This was more than a drip, it was actually flowing. Every minute or 2 the water would also gush a little bit, then drop back.
@ddmau7995
5 жыл бұрын
2019,simple solution,use a shark bite fitting. No sweat ,no torch, put it together and walk away.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
@@ddmau7995 I'd rather not use a Shark bite, I only use them for temporary work, and never inside the wall. Although I would be open to using outside the wall, where you can see if anything goes wrong with it.
@jeffbguarino
3 жыл бұрын
To make the job faster , before you put in the bread , you can clean the outside of the pipe and don't have to do the inside. you should have pre soldered the joint on the second pipe ahead of time and cleaned the inside of that pipe. Then shove in the bread the dry the inside and give the outside a quick once over with an emery pad. Then not so much torch flame.
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
Those Benzomatic torches give you way too much glame
@michaelc5925
3 жыл бұрын
Someone may have said it but I got the water to stop leaking but turning on every faucet in the house (while main water line was shut off) to stop dripping. It takes a few moments for the dripping to stop. I waited about 5 minutes.
@garyvallone5393
5 жыл бұрын
In extreme conditions use a compression fitting and valve
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
gary, That's not an extreme condition actually, the compression fittings are the norm in our area. We went on after this repair to install a compression fitting. We had to cut the old one off and extend the length of this copper pipe from the wall because the stub out was too short to begin with, then we added a lot of thickness for the tile and thin set mortar, and the homeowner was disabled and wanted the pipe to come out further from the wall to them to reach the compression valve, if they needed to which we installed at the end of this pipe.
@garyvallone5393
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff No man I mean in an extreme situation where the water keeps running. You install a compression fitting so you can shut the water down and continue work
@MyLifeThai371
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! So what we are trying to accomplish here is to just get the water to stop running long enough that we can solder another valve further down the line, so we can solder around the rest of the house.
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
yes that is all you need to do, stop flowing a few minutes.
@trueforum378
3 жыл бұрын
Great Trick! Thank you very much. I have same issue except I am welding a value to copper pipe under kitchen sink. Hope it works? I appreciate sharing this idea either way. Thank you
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@zorroonmilkavitch1840
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know I've been told that whole wheat is even better than using white bread but I heard that using a good brioche will really do the trick as does a good croissant
@talbotracing1
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't use bread but the shop vac trick from the comments worked like a charm.
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
We tried that too, but this is not a case of leftover water in the system, it's a constant stream leftover because the water won't shut off.
@solicitutoob
4 жыл бұрын
Good trick to up one's sleeve!
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, we have used this trick several times over the years
@MikeBusto
3 жыл бұрын
This worked well for a similar issue. Thanks Jeff!
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it helped Mike!
@michaelmusson3593
2 жыл бұрын
had to use this trick just a week ago was brazing some under the slab line and the hot water would not stop leaking so I had some left over biscuits form breakfast and shoved it into the line both direction and stop it long enough to braze, try it it works
@jeffostroff
2 жыл бұрын
I have used it a hald dozen times, works like a charm. I also have a Jet Swet, a pro tool for doing this same thing
@pauld136
2 жыл бұрын
That’s cool with the bread. Kept it dry longer than I expected!
@jeffostroff
2 жыл бұрын
It is the density of the bread that keeps it in shape for so long
@desijrichert
6 жыл бұрын
You could have saved a lot of time by cleaning the pipe before you put the bread in! DUH!!!
@samr3637
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you what...you go ahead and save 5 seconds of time, I focus on quality and preventing contamination. I always clean right before I solder. Don't risk any contaminants on bread from getting on your pipe if you clean the pipe first. DUH! Your problem is handyman guys like you in a rush never stop to think about your actions and what problems you'll cause down the road. You're all about saving 5 seconds at the risk of other people's property.
@BULB271602
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff pro here and what he said was right, i would have atleast sanded the pipe before putting bread in the line. More so that you have more time with the bread doing its job. Better yet i would have used a jet swet. Nonetheless good job extending the pipe out, much better for future repairs.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
@@BULB271602 Well a couple of things here 1st of all I've done this enough times that I know how much time I have when I stick the bread in and it was plenty of time as the video showed so I don't know why you guys are harping on this subject. I prefer to do the cleaning after the brightest put in just in case there's any contamination. Cleaning the pipe after the bread is inserted assures that there will be 0 contaminations. My way works correctly your way works correctly as well. 2nd of all yes we all have a swet jet but this was a video for DIY people and home owners who are not going to run out and spend $50 on a swet jet and then wait for it to be delivered when they have their water turned off and need a solution right now.
@jeffreywhitlatch1409
5 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing dude, but I didn't want to say nothing. It's like why are you putting the bread in first it's going to be soaked and falling out the front before you're ready to go.
@rizla0940
5 жыл бұрын
Some say the bread 🍞 still in there 😜
@dannyh.7490
6 жыл бұрын
I've used this trick many times with success but the last time it ended up clogging my bathroom faucet. Unfortunately I had to dissemble the faucet and clean it out to get it to work again. I probably should have unhooked the line from the faucet before I turned the water back on so the bread could exit the line.
@jeffostroff
6 жыл бұрын
Danny H. Yes that can happen that is why you always want to plan ahead with your exit point, where it is going to be for the bread and make sure there is nothing on that exit point so that the bread can shoot right out.
@cicero2
5 жыл бұрын
Soldering the fitting to the pipe seems very hit and miss for success. In the UK we would use 'Yorkshire Fittings' which have rings of solder already in position. Just clean off the pipe ends, flux, push on the fittings and heat.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Yes I heard of those and was very intrested in trying some of those out. My only question is how do you know when the solder has flowed because it's in the middle and you can't see it so how do you know?
@cicero2
5 жыл бұрын
When the solder is fluid it will pop out of the sides, and that's it. I am not a plumber, but have found these quick and sure. But, of course, cleanliness is the key to a good joint and you made a good key point re not touching the clean pipe ends. There are a couple of videos regarding these Yorkshire fittings on YT. Best wishes.
@ryanfranko1161
5 жыл бұрын
Good thing you cleaned the street side of that fitting 😂
@kevinram9104
5 жыл бұрын
Why do you clean the inside of the copper pipe when the solder goes on the outside of the pipe? Please explain I’ve seen this so much and don’t know why people do it
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
For me it was a slip of the wrist, loss of focus, end of a day 100 degrees in that bathroom and I was having a hard time concentrating. You can hear me say after doing it that it was non necessary.
@Methodical2
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the bread dissolves in the water and will break down and come through the faucets when the screens are removed. Do you have to turn on the water and blow it out?
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
Yes you must blow out the the bread, because we act quick to get everything done while the bread is still a hard ball and has not broken down. Those pipes need to be clear before you install the shutoff valve.
@Methodical2
3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff Thanks
@joshuamoore24_7
2 жыл бұрын
Reem the pipe and sand it. Then use a long piece of 1/4" inch r/o tubing and shove it into the pipe until it will not go any further or at least 2'-6'+ feet. Then blow and blow until no water comes out. Then put the brushed fitting on to the sanded pipe with flux, flux the pipe, and solder it. Of course you will want to have the fittings brushed, and the pipe sanded, and fluxed. Also have torch and solder ready near bye to use as quickly as possible to solder the fitting. I have been plumbing since 2000 and went to a plumbing technical college and the r/o tubing trick is the best one I know of, no bread stuck in water line or mess from it. I always use this trick on top outs when the manifold stub out from the underground plumbing has to be cut, sanded, reemed, fluxed and fittings cleaned fluxed and put in to the pipe. You want to flux the pipe after getting the water out of it with r/o trick. I have heard of the bread trick but never used it, and I have done the plumbing on hundreds of homes, 30 + commercial buildings, and around 1000 apartments. Plus plumbing service some and add on's or extended water lines.
@jeffostroff
2 жыл бұрын
sounds like a cool idea!
@atypical_moto
4 жыл бұрын
Just loosen the union on the downstream side of the water meter. It can leak all it wants in the box. I wish my problems were all this easy lol.
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
Might try that sometime, but man, scary thinking about unscrewing the city's stuff.
@anyaanderson2714
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I do in this situation. Problem solved.
@grb7858
5 жыл бұрын
Nice tip however I would probably do the cleanup work before I put the bread in because the bread won't hold water back for a long time
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Not sure why you and a few other people before you keep saying this when it's obvious by looking at the video that the bread did hold up. I did the cleaning after I loaded the bread just to make sure the bread didn't introduce any contaminants or oils from the baking process.
@1ChrisGates
5 жыл бұрын
Good tip.
@mortgagefinancing5558
4 жыл бұрын
I put the bread in and soldered the pipe. However the water doesn't turn on because the pipe is clogged now. Im not sure if the joint is soldered good enough and Im afraid that at some point the pipe will clear and the water will leak out. Do you have any suggestions how long until the bread will desolve ?
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
You are supposed to flush out the bread after you solder the copper fitting onto the pipe. If you do that, the 60 PSI water pressure is enough to force the brea dout of the pipe.
@mortgagefinancing5558
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff I tried turning on the tap in the other room and nothing. When you say flushing do you mean at the source in the furnace room where all the water starts ?
@BASICAVAX
4 жыл бұрын
Heat from the bottom, no excessive solder. I also run my flux brush around the soldered joint which not only cleans the joint up it also spreads the solder around the joint a little more 👍
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
Good tip! But keep in mind, I've read research that says not to flux the joint after you sweat it because the cold flux is a temp shock which can crack the heated solder joint. So I quit doing it, but yes it does make things look nice and clean.
@brnmcc01
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff If you see a drip, just use a dry cloth to gently wipe the joint, while the solder is still liquid, then won't cause a crack.
@brnmcc01
Жыл бұрын
I did that too, but it messes up the flux brush bristles, a dry cloth works better and not as messy
@joeshow8815
Жыл бұрын
huge thanks for posting. Is it OK to use a compression fitting for connection where solder is not possible because of water?
@jeffostroff
Жыл бұрын
I would only use one if it were outside the wall
@joeshow8815
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff thanks for the advice. I tried it with a piece of rope. It was a 3 inch of vertical piece of pipe which then bent into horizontal. Pushed the rope in. Waited few seconds and pulled it out. It was soaked and I saw no water left in the 3 " vertical. Slid the pipe and the coupler on. It took the solder no problem. No leaks.
@MyLifeThai371
3 жыл бұрын
I have a question for you. The nipples(threads on top of the water heater) do not want to seal. Water keeps dripping through the threads.
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
You will see most plumbers will coat those threads with pipe dope it's that blue thick rubbery liquid that you brush all over the mail threads before you attach it then you will see it sealed up give that a try.
@stormbytes
6 жыл бұрын
LOVE that shop vac tip !!!!
@lactosis--undefined
3 жыл бұрын
I would stop and go fix what was leaking but what do I know?
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
We can't not allowed to touch the main shutoff, it is connected to the meter, and affects other people.
@lactosis--undefined
3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff Meters have two sides.
@AaronRiegel
5 жыл бұрын
I just finished plumbing in a pressure tank for our well. I had 4 joints spraying water afterwards. I realized I had applied the flux using my finger do you think the oils from my finger in the flux cause that failure
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Aaron, yes, oils from your finger could have caused it, and also maybe just an incomplete soldering and heating. Did yo brush clean all the parts where solder will be? Did you heat from underneath and let the flame heat rise up? Did you use the correct amount of solder? Did you push the tip of solder around the connection seam and let the solder melt on the pipe all the way around, and not try to follow the solder around the pipe with the flame? Did you apply heat to only the fitting and not the pipe to allow capillary action to suck the solder into the connection joint? Did you leave the heated connections ALONE, undisturbed after you turn off the flame and let it cool down by itself to room temperature? You want to be sure you don't use a cold or wet rag while the pipe is still cooling down. Let me know how you did with this check list, it could be a combination of issues.
@AaronRiegel
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff thank you very much for the kind and extremely straight forward reply. I'm using the checklist to start over. What a pickle I'm in now, bit with your help I'm on my way to success
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
@@AaronRiegel One more thing, go watch this 5 minute how to solder video, it's the best one out there, this guy is the best: kzitem.info/news/bejne/q6-MyJ56rKSalmk
@PlumberGuz
5 жыл бұрын
Why are you cleaning/fluxing inside of pipe?
@michaelmaltese9304
5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering that aso. Is this dude licensed or at least educated?
@cemasti4524
5 жыл бұрын
1:52 Using vacuum to clean inside of the pipe? There will be hardly any effect of vacuum from a few centimeter distance. Also vacuum is hard to come by and with vacuum cleaner I have strong doubts. However a gentle pressure would be more effective to blow out any dirt in the pipe. 5:04 "solder will be drawn to heat source" Said who? This is no longer concerns plumbing , it is physics. Any reference to this statement.? The correct terminology should be "capillary action" as commonly used but I would suggest surface tension. Liquids are attracted to the solid surface and adhere with a stronger bond than the inter bond among the liquid molecules. Hence as soon as soldering metal melts and becomes liquid it is immediately attracted by the surface of copper pipe nearby. That is due to surface tension. And the *attention* the double surface of concentric copper pipe one inside the other creating a very fine gap causes capillary action and stronger surface tension force to draw/attract/pull the liquid solder. Where does the heat comes into play? That goes beyond plumbing and takes us into physics. Firstly you need a minimum base amount of heat to keep solder metal in liquid state while cooling off by the ambient temperature. Secondly you can repeat the same experiment at different temperatures (Not heat) to observe and obtain data how surface tension/capillary action behaves under different temperatures. Under ambient temperatures this information maybe of no use to plumbers but in electronic industry or in space precision to manipulate the matter maybe everything.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
The purpose of the vacuum was to suck out the last few drops of water still sitting in the bottom of the pipe, which it did a great job removing. If you still don't believe the effectiveness of our Rigid shop vac which is designed to vacuum up water, check out my other video on changing out a hose bibb where we used the vacuum an inch away from the pipe you can see the vacuum sucking the water stream out of the pipe, see video here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/mGmJ1GtnkWaXepg and you'll also see we used the term capillary action.
@kenlyneham4105
5 жыл бұрын
The WC connection is the lowest point in a house so unless you have a hose cock lower that you can remove the top assembly and letting the water to flow out there, the only way to stop water affecting the joint is to disconnect your house at the meter where the main meter cock is that you shut down. There should always be a union connection where the main water comes in allowing physical disconnection of your house from the main. If you use the correct flux, you do not need to worry about all that mucking about cleaning the pipe. AND you certainly do not need to clean the inside of the pipe not unless you are using a fitting that goes inside the pipe, (they don't exist). The best flux to use is LA-CO soft soldering flux. It is water soluble and does not need to be cleaned up. When the water is turned on, all residue LA-CO will flush away. You should never put the flame directly onto the fitting when SODERING a joint. The flame should be applied 25mm away from the joint allowing the heat to travel along the pipe to the joint at the same time occasionally touching the joint with the soft solder to test if it's hot enough.
@jacksoncarter7679
5 жыл бұрын
If that's a "drip," Niagara Falls must just be a leak.
@fampc2660
4 жыл бұрын
Someone off camera shut off the main valve! This shows no cap and check for leaks!
@dmacosta1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@sethstewart9704
8 ай бұрын
Don't put flux on the inside of the pipe. It invites solder to pool inside the pipe, creating an obstruction. In a cold water system, it can cause corrosion inside too.
@jeffostroff
8 ай бұрын
Yes that was a slip of the wrist inside a 90 degree bathroom in July, end of day, lack of focus.
@petechka6931
5 жыл бұрын
now how you going to put the chrome plate on with the coupling in the way ?
@theultimatecrayon2843
4 жыл бұрын
So many questions on this video. But this is a good one!
@1pcmedic
5 жыл бұрын
If you are on a slab that one thing. If you have a basement and open the hot and cold with the main shut off the water has to come to a stop as gravity does its thing.
@paulnewkirk7351
5 жыл бұрын
The way I was taught is to take bread, roll into a ball, not hard, big enough to fill the leaking pipe, it clogs the water temporarily so you can do the solder. When finished, turn the water on and the bread will flush out.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is exactly how we did it here.
@paulnewkirk7351
5 жыл бұрын
That's what I get for not watching your video. Thanks for not beating me up over it. By the way, I now have seen it and your very thorough. Very professional.
@andrewthacker114
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting clip,thanks
@jeffostroff
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@fromanabe8639
5 жыл бұрын
I think you could have wire-brushed the outside of the pipe before sticking the bread in. Would have given you another 30 seconds or so.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
A few other people have mentioned that but it turns on I didn't really need an extra 30 seconds the bread hung in there for several more minutes even after we were done with the job the bread held in place right up-to-the-minute that we gushed it out of there by turning on the water full blast into the bucket at the end of the video.
@ramonarroyo5573
5 жыл бұрын
Sweet. Thank you Betty much.
@offgridwanabe
5 жыл бұрын
old trick and it works don't use the crust.
@grahamjohnson7934
5 жыл бұрын
yeah clean the pipe first before u plug it, no need to flux inside the pipe
@djrednitro4116
3 жыл бұрын
the pipe is 1/2", what's the size of the coupler?
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
It's a 1/2" coupler is what they call it, designed to fit tightly around the outside of the 1/2" pipe
@arrealhandymanservice4459
6 жыл бұрын
They sell tools to stop the water while u do ur solder joint but they are really expensive I do the bread trick all the time haha
@jeffostroff
6 жыл бұрын
Armando Monreal I do plan on getting one of those tools they cost about $50 it would always be in my plumbing tools bag but I don't always have a loaf of bread in my plumbing tools bag unfortunately. And another benefit of getting the tool is that it won't grow mold after 3 or 4 days. 😎
@Mike1614b
5 жыл бұрын
my wife was concerned that was not organic whole grain bread. so I explained why white bread was better, then I backhanded her
@ajw2985
Жыл бұрын
Propress it!
@jeffostroff
Жыл бұрын
Yes, one of plumber friends uses one, did it on my water heater install
@keithtanner2806
5 жыл бұрын
It IS possible to solder a joint with water in it. I was fitting my own c/h system over 3 floors, when I filled the system I had a leak on one of the lower pipe runs at an awkward spot just where it passed through a wall. I wasn’t too confident that I could succeed but rather than drain it all down again and as I felt I had nothing to lose I took a chance and ran more solder around the fitting. The joint was still solid when I moved out 30yrs later!
@customcreations-rickkramer5357
8 ай бұрын
Seen a few things that I disagree with. No need to add flux inside a pipe if the connector goes on the outside. Should always heat the pipe up from the bottom then add solder on the top. He said he uses 1/2" long piece of solder for each end of connector but doesnt look like he used a 1/4" for both. The first joint I seen needed more solder for sure. The bread trick can work, but not every time. They make a tool called a Jet Swet that plugs the pipe so you have time to sweat the pipe and not be so rushed. Plus, who happens to carry a loaf of bread around with them everytime.
@alexduffy8723
5 жыл бұрын
You do NOT ever want flux on the inside of a copper line. The flux is there because it's corrosive nature when heated will prevent the copper from oxidizing before you can join the two pieces together. You only need flux on surfaces that you want joined together with solder. By cleaning the inside of the pipe and applying flux to the inside of the pipe you have created two major issues: 1) When you apply solder to the heated pipe and fitting the clean and fluxed surface on the inside of the pipe will "wick" or pull the solder INTO the pipe. This is not desirable. 2) When you have flux left behind inside a copper pipe it acts similarly as to when it was heated. it's still corrosive but inhibited by being cold. It will be a hassle when within a year or two the brand new copper fitting you installed gets a "mysterious" pin-hole. Flux is your friend. Flux is your enemy.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
It's funny how many of you experts have come in here and said "it will fail within a month", "it will fail within 2 months" now you burst in here proclaiming it will fail within a a year or 2. None of you knows anything. Here we are 3 years later it's still working perfect. You have no clue what water soluble flux means do you? that means it dissolves in water. It means the small amount that was accidentally brushed inside the pipe was gone from that pipe by the end of the day. there is no flux left in there to cause a problem.
@aaronbaraiya3692
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff lol
@MarioR23
4 жыл бұрын
Now they have this special plugs called jet swet
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
We did a tool review of the Jet Swet a few months back, did you see it? WATCH: kzitem.info/news/bejne/yWeQrGuDkKSZZKA
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
@I C Yes that's why they are not really for Di wires it's really for the guys that are going to be using it every day I bought the yellow plastic case that has the half inch and the 3/4 inch tool for somewhere around a $150
@dariusdalrymple3161
5 жыл бұрын
Will that trick work if the bread has peanut butter and jelly on it?
@Woodzy13
Жыл бұрын
To make the job go a little faster add some butter to said joint once all soldering is complete. Don’t butter the bread whilst soldering tho as this will give you burnt toast
@jeffostroff
Жыл бұрын
That' what we've been doing wrong all these years!
@Woodzy13
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff I think plumbing has sent me round the bend Jeff
@joshm5816
5 жыл бұрын
Buy a torch head that you can control the flame better. If you've ever soldered in a tight spot in a wall with tar paper near by you'll know what I mean. If the gate valve was faulty then the homeowner needs to replace it. Regardless of the inconvenience of a water interruption its extremely important that a shut off valve is installed in a accessible location in case of an emergency. Gate valves are garbage especially when you shut one off and the handle breaks free from the gate.
@bpark10001
4 жыл бұрын
...but you have only propagated the problem forward! Unless you do ALL the soldering on the following joints at the end of the new pipe, you will be plagued by the same problem again. Normally a threaded fitting is soldered to the pipe just behind the wall so the drywall/tile can be installed, a hole drilled, and threaded connection made to the shut-off valve.
@brucestorey917
2 жыл бұрын
Two words; one tool: Jet Sweat
@jeffostroff
2 жыл бұрын
Yes we have a tool review video on the Jet Swet. This video is for DIY homeowners who won't pay $150 for a JEtSwet to use it once
@joewrenn8011
5 жыл бұрын
I go find out why i can't get the water to shut off and charge to repair that too.
@diegodlvega9617
3 жыл бұрын
Loose the front meter nut. And it will drain there. And that prevent the water to go in the pipe. And you set!!!
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
Not allowed to touch the meter in the condo
@wowiezowiepowie
5 жыл бұрын
compressed air to blow back water to another open valve works good too also if you made up the nipple and coupling first you don't need to have the water stopped for so long
@ryanfranko1161
5 жыл бұрын
100% this guy shouldnt be telling anyone anuthing
@wowiezowiepowie
5 жыл бұрын
#RyanFranco this comment sounds like a troll type that has to pick a fight with anybody or everybody .... whats up with that?
@markb.739
5 жыл бұрын
LOL get a Jet Swet , water is going to leach past the bread, cause steam and a potential leak and maybe not even right away. That leak might be the gift that gives at a later date. :-) Fluxing the inside of the pipe? SMH You want flux out of the inside of the pipe hence water soluble flux that's code in many places. Some of these soldering videos are down right scary.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
LOL, The average homeowner is not going to spend $50 on a Jet Swet that they may never use again. The bread trick works it has always worked it has never failed me so your theories about with the water leaching pass the bread and all that or just simply not true if you complete your soldering immediately after putting in the bread you have a good 5 to 10 minutes. Any amount of water flowing is not enough to go flooding past the bread either I mean come on use your head are talking about droplets of water not gushing water. Those droplets of water would take quite a bit of time before it would disintegrate the bread probably 10 to 15 minutes.
@markb.739
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff That was gushing water you used bread on! The average homeowner should not be soldering with the amount of damage that can be done if you get a leak in the wrong spot and especially after watching videos like this with you using a wire brush and fluxing the inside of the fitting and using bread to slow down a serious leak. lol and no a wire brush will not remove the burr on the inside of the pipe, nice try though. If you have enough money to build a plumbing kit and learn the right way, get a Jet Swet for 50 bucks, not having to drain down the pipes alone makes it worth it. Otherwise get your main tested and fixed before started a project or open a valve below that one to relieve the pressure and stop the water flow. Rookies teaching the masses....SMH.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
@@markb.739 How dare you come on here and trash talk poor people like that. Makes me sick to my stomach knowing arrogant losers like you exist in this world. That was an impoverished family I was helping, We paid their electric bill that month just to keep their power on. And no bro, sorry if they don't have $300 to pay some overpriced holier than thou clown like you to install a new ball valve on their water main. I minister to poor families and abandoned wives like this all the tine who can't afford to even have any leak fixed, and I go and help them for free, and almost all of them have 30 year old gate valves that trickle, so we deal with it. Forgive us O master, that they don't have the ability to bring their plumbing up to your standards before we can make a free repair for them to save them the $150 that they don't even have. Yet you condescend down to their level like it's a crime they can't afford to pay to have it fixed. Shame on you. As for the repair we made, yes I saw I made a goof 2 seconds after I fluxed the inside of the pipe, late in the evening after working 12 hours, no AC, hottest 95 degree, most humid day in July in Florida that year, could hardly breath, tire, focus was off made one slip up, and you go off on a tirade of how I'm causing people's houses to fall apart. You telling us you never made a goof in your life Mr. Perfect? I knew it was incorrect, I cleaned it out later. The wire brush was intended to get as much flux out as possible. Yes I own a reamer, you didn't see my gray reamer at 1:13 in the video? Yes I used the reamer, just did not show it in the video, we don't always show everything we do, or we miss a scene so it does not make the final cut. The gushing water you saw was us turning the main back on for only 2 seconds, enough to flush the bread out, not causing floods in the house. There's nothing wrong with anyone ever using the bread trick, plumbers have done it for decades. It works, and my repair is still l working 2 1/2 years after I made that repair. No leaks, no problems. I realize you have this uncontrollable urge to show the world that you are super plumber, but you fall flat on your face here, so give it up. If you were really as a good a plumber as you're trying to fool people into believing, you'd really have so much business that you wouldn't have time to troll other videos and make fun of impoverished people making do with what they got. Go troll your own videos. If you'd like to donate a Jet Swet to us so we can rise to your level of plumbing excellence, we'd gladly accept it. One more point, Mr. Arrogant Plumber, you are so inebriated by your own arrogance, you don't even know that you can't use a Jet Swet to stop the leaking pipe to change an angle stop, which we have to deal with a lot.
@markb.739
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff lol what are you talking about? You are the one doing the work not them! Pony up cheapo and get the right tool for the job. I'm not a paid plumber like you so graciously pegged me as and do all my work for friends and family for free, I just do it the right way. Leaving them with a bad main shutoff is not very Christian brother, I would have used my Jet Swet as I have in the past and put a ball valve in past the main. NO CHARGE as always. Since you have all your tools out anyways it would take 5 minutes with a Jet Swet. Don't get mad at me because your doing something the wrong way and acting like it's right and showing other people how to do it. Yeah, that joint may last forever, or a day, the fun is wondering how long.
@MrNorthstar50
5 жыл бұрын
I agree , I have used the bread trick for years the last thing you do before sweating on the pipe is put the bread in and not flux on the inside of the pipe . And with all that steam I bet that is a marginal solder joint at best.
@andrewbrindescu6666
5 жыл бұрын
You need to learn more about soldering. I would chase away if you would do the job for me
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
What specifically did you not approve of about the soldering, which by the way is still holding to this day, 3 years later?
@andrewbrindescu6666
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff the way you hold the flame unready for solder after solder not doing the right think
@michaelkid6869
4 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you sweat a speedy valve at same time ????????????
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
they wanted compression valve
@xChromerSatanasx
5 жыл бұрын
The comments are hilarious on his videos.
@systematic101
5 жыл бұрын
If you have water still flowing out of the pipe after an hour then you have another problem in your system. If the valve on the hot water heater and the mains are closed then you shouldn't have a continuous flow of water that long. Personally my system has a shutoff for every room at the distribution panel near my hot water heater. I can cut the water to any of the rooms and drain those pipes right at the distribution.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
We have been finding this a lot on houses and condos that were Built-in the eighties in nineties here in South Florida. That builders put on real cheap gate valves that just don't seem to last. We've had a number of gates valves replaced on projects over the years because they just won't shut off all the way most likely the gasket is breaking down.
@systematic101
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff that's what I figured. That's a big reason why I don't cut corners. Especially with water and electricity. Both of those can be a huge cost if they fail.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
@@systematic101 Luckily, the failing gate valve on your house main is not a deal breaker unless it is really gushing, we can always work around it, except for 2 years ago at my friend's house, when turning off the gate valve that would not shut off completely, and turned it back on, the handle and stem broke off from inside the casing. Had to call the plumbers over with the big torch, replaced it with ball valve.
@winstonpoole9906
4 жыл бұрын
Why not use a compression fitting? ...
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
We did use a compression fitting, but we needed to solder on a few inches of extension pipe out of the wall, because the original plumber left so little room behind the nut and we were going to lose another 1" minimum between the new tile backer board, the 1/4" of thin set, and the 3/8" tile. That all adds up so we needed to extend the wall pipe. Then we installed a standard 1/4 turn ball valve compression fitting.
@9sec93lx
6 жыл бұрын
I need to know how to solder the shutoff valve onto the pipe that is wet. Bread probably won't go through the valve so well.
@jeffostroff
6 жыл бұрын
Best Racing Tips Win At The Dragstrip You never know it might be able to blow out through the valve also can you pull out the interior of the valve so that when you turn on the water it's basically just coming out the pipe. And Please also remember any time you solder a shut off valve onto the end of a pipe make sure the valve as in the open position so that although hot steam can escape out instead of damaging the inside of the valve.
@9sec93lx
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I thought of that except it's one of those small 90 degree ball valves they stick behind the toilet. Not a very large hole in the middle of it and disassembly looks suspicious at best.
@jeffostroff
6 жыл бұрын
Best Racing Tips Win At The Dragstrip Your other choice is to see if you can cut the water off at the street because those are usually completely a 100% accurate at cutting all the water off
@tenthdimension9836
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff compression fitting
@dawid5721
Жыл бұрын
Jak to jest tak 😃 to się spodziewaj tego samego wszystkiego 😂
@graemegreen4575
5 жыл бұрын
What about the Previous joint with the Heat Solder Would melt ,no need to flux inside the pipe ,you are very slow to apply heat I.e cleaning ,demurring pipe before applying heat water would have run through Bread long before you were ready
@bosticallen4144
4 жыл бұрын
Or if you have access to a press you can just press the fittings.. Pro press that is..
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, very pricey machines, but looks nice, and works fast. One of our plumber contractors on my latest project used it on the water heater install.
@donmiles6176
5 жыл бұрын
Stick to tiling dude, Leave the plumbing to the professionals
@erasamus1057
Жыл бұрын
all this should have been done before the kerdy install
@MrJdsenior
4 ай бұрын
Why not just open a lower faucet somewhere in the house? Because, water flows downhill, the ole roofers rule of thumb.
@RubenHernandez-kx4gv
5 жыл бұрын
I carry my jet sweat set everywhere i go.
@ramtek2702
5 жыл бұрын
Two things. Do as much prep work as possible before installing the bread. Also, the flame is much hotter where it changes color. High school science.
@bavs21
5 жыл бұрын
Good explanation of the bread trick. But awful demo of how to solder. Too much heat, heating and adding solder is a big fail, heat should be applied from below. Heat rises, solder flows down to point of heat source when solder added from top. Always remove flame when adding solder. Flux shouldn't be put inside the pipe. And you need to reem the bur out not clean with wire brush.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
The pipe was reamed before this video was shot, this was a video about the bread trick, not a video about reaming the pipe. I guess you did not see the reamer sitting there on the shower curb at 0:04. Yes I goofed fluxing the inside, but you didn't here me say afterwards that it was not needed? Also it was water soluble flux, so no damage done.
@garrypalahitski799
3 жыл бұрын
1. Clean the pipe first, flux. 2. Stick the bread in. Time is of the essence when pipe dripping.
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
Pipe was not dripping once we plugged it with the bread. We had about 10 minutes.
@michaelcastillo3231
5 жыл бұрын
That was hard to watch. And y is the angle stop so far off the wall?
@roaddiablo
7 жыл бұрын
WTF are you doing? thats not right. you don't clean inside the pipe. you defenitly dont put solder in it.
@jeffostroff
7 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about me using my red plastic handled wire brush cleaning out the inside of the pipe? You are supposed to do that to remove any shards of metal left over from cutting the copper pipe. Novices that fail to clean the inside of the pipe are creating a noisy turbulent water situation for people. If you ever hear noisy water at the end of a pipe, it is because someone cut the pipe, but failed to clean out the ridges left behind inside the pipe.
@nickantaya5743
6 жыл бұрын
@mrmeeseeks i didnt know you plumbed
@joepalermo3836
5 жыл бұрын
Mr. Meeseeks : I totally agree that’s not how it’s done ! I wonder if he prepped the inside of the fitting if not he’s gonna loose that sweat in a few months if not sooner
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
@@joepalermo3836 I cleaned the mistaken flux inside the pipe out before soldering. It's been 2 1/2 years and it's still there working perfectly, so your theory of my joint failing in a few weeks is incorrect. Also I did use the reamer, shown at 1:13 in the video, but the scene did not make it to the final cut. As I mentioned before in other comments, yes, end of day goof I added flux to the inside of the pipe, but later removed it before we sweated it.
@joepalermo3836
5 жыл бұрын
jeffostroff : it’s good that you made the proper correction’s good job .
@SombraLocs
4 жыл бұрын
Propress takes care of that.
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
No homeowner will spend $1100 on a propress
@Jackjack530
5 жыл бұрын
I'd have never cut my pipe too short anyway. And on a run of pipe if water was still coming through id have just used tectite copper push fit....
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
That's how the builder made it, real short. On top of that, so you lose a little bit of pipe cutting off the old valve, and the homeowner wanted the walls tiled now, which now adds 3/8" thickness porcelain tiles, plus 3/8" thick troweled thinset mortar, so you lose almost another 1".
@eogg25
5 жыл бұрын
had a repairman working on a pipe and he asked my wife for a slice of bread, she thought he was hungry and offered him a sandwich,, he explained what he was going to do with it,, I have been using that soldering helper for almost 50 years now.
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
I knew I should have ordered the Philly Cheese Steak!
3 жыл бұрын
Pro plumbers actually will carry freeze jacket to stop the water bread is a really bad idea and it almost never works
@jeffostroff
3 жыл бұрын
Almost never works? How would you know if you never tried it. It has worked 100% o the time I have tried it before I bought a jet swet. Everyone I know including plumbers have tried it and it works.
@dannyboy9254
4 жыл бұрын
you need a jet swet
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
2 things here, 1) this is a DIY video for homeowners, whom you'll never convince to spend $100+ on a tool they will use once, when the bread trick works every time for free. 2) We have a video on the Jet Swet here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/yWeQrGuDkKSZZKA "Jet Swet Plumbing Tool Helps You Solder Pipe With Water in it"
@dannyboy9254
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffostroff true that
@EvoSteve89
5 жыл бұрын
Tuna, no crust.
@simonshaw8176
5 жыл бұрын
A little knowledge is dangerous 😂🤣
@sionhughes5543
5 жыл бұрын
Why not just use a plastic joiner ?
@Lunas2525
4 жыл бұрын
It is not that it is impossible to do water makes it a lot harder and need more heat I managed to do it the biggest issue is the heat dissipation you will never get the joint hot enough without either dry pipe or a big torch and a lot of heating the pipe needs to be around 400c for the solder to melt water boils at 100c and takes all of the heat away.
@jeffostroff
4 жыл бұрын
When water boils it does not take the heat away, it just steams the inside of the pipe, but you may still have water coming into the pipe.
@bxb590
5 жыл бұрын
NO, NO, NO. With this technique you still have a leaking valve. Forget the bread and invest in a new valve seat and/or washer.
@lethalinjection5550
5 жыл бұрын
Why not just use a pex connection and ditch the copper?
@systematic101
5 жыл бұрын
you would still need to so a conversion from copper to pex
@brandonmontenegro4054
5 жыл бұрын
Soldering is for old people, just use a propress with some connectors and there ya go 😘😘
@jeffostroff
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, my plumber friend used one of these on a recent water heater install at one of our properties, Pretty cool machine.
@JoeSmith-dh1rz
5 жыл бұрын
Not everyone has the tool it's easy half solder u inch that's a bitch
@johnwayne6003
5 жыл бұрын
I guess if im old ur a young punk with no respect for ur elders. You must be white no other race disrespects their elders like that
@brandonmontenegro4054
5 жыл бұрын
John Wayne wrong, I’m Mexican buddy... and I disrespect everyone the exact same 😘
@johnwayne6003
5 жыл бұрын
@@brandonmontenegro4054 lol my young homie talked shit till someone shot his irish m ass in the head.dont be a statistic
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