Unlike your favorite Cheetos, Raptor Lake CPUs apparently don't have to be Flaming Hot....unless the motherboard says so. And different motherboards do different things. This seems to come up with MCE discussions on every Intel generation....so what are your thoughts on it? Shenanigans or "spec"?
@Joshua-uq9zw
Жыл бұрын
The 13900k is ridiculous imo. Way to high powerdraw and temps. Was pleasantly surprised about the 13600k though. Only around 60c in gaming and around 86W powerdraw. Not too bad in gaming. The all core workload temps, even with a ak620(d15 ish performance), was still way too high though at 79c 100% fanspeed for me personally.
@budala1969
Жыл бұрын
The most important question not answered... How well does 13600K OC and what kind of a cooler do we need for that?
@ABaumstumpf
Жыл бұрын
Intel should just step up and should at least make the "guidelines" to be Mandatory for stock-settings. The current auto-overclock settings of motherboards just make the CPUs draw way more power for no reason - they even increase the voltage despite that not being needed. PL1 is still "only" 125W - the i9 13900K when run according to specs will go back to that level and perform within spitting distance of when its powerlimits are completely ignored.
@jerrygenser
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a similar video on 7950 vs. 7700 or 7600? Would be really good guidance on which cooler to use. Also include eco modes to check performance/cooler matrix. Would be helpful for my own cooler buying for AMD side
@n1kobg
Жыл бұрын
Cool video. I know you wanted to make a point but the OC part is missing and its not a small deal since you can add extra 500mhz on top. It doesnt need to be all core OC. Actually TVB & V/F Curve are very strong here.
@Audibleknight
Жыл бұрын
As someone eyeing a 13600k this video is amazing. The comparison between different cooler types is something that was seriously needed with the overall narrative of "Raptor Lake runs hot!". Great job and much appreciated!
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@kmcrafting4837
Жыл бұрын
Picked up a 13600 and love it, great balance of perf/cost. Mine is cooled with a noctua NH-U12A OC'd to 5.5Ghz and it never cracks 70deg running 3d mark cpu stress test
@SepticFuddy
Жыл бұрын
@@kmcrafting4837 Good to know, just ordered one myself with a 360mm AIO. Definitely gonna have to play with some OC
@teeaymusik9811
Жыл бұрын
@@SepticFuddy Why would you OC the 13600? I have it myself and its insanely fast.
@SepticFuddy
Жыл бұрын
@@teeaymusik9811 Moar frames more gooder? At the very least, "insanely fast" over the years is going to turn into "fairly adequate" as it always does and having that kind of thermal headroom to play with will stretch the longevity nicely. That's assuming games don't improve so drastically in multithread efficiency that the core count is finally the problem, which I think is fairly safe. Definitely because I want to be green and reduce e-waste and not at all because I am stingy! I do video work, too, so a 400-600MHz clock boost could save me some time.
@handicapper911
Жыл бұрын
Finally a straightforward shot of air-cooling the 13900k. Huge thanks guys!
@ruslanmamedaliyev3912
Жыл бұрын
What air tower cooler do u use and how much does it cool down ur cpu?
@ClassicalPan
11 ай бұрын
@@hwyterrorist Because you prefer the aio? I bought an air cooler for mine.
@pupsaderpupin5627
Жыл бұрын
This is the only video I've found that clearly and thoughtfully explains the thermals of these chips. Kudos guys.
@kumarsalib722
Жыл бұрын
There's no excuse for these overwattage settings being default. Users are welcome to crank up their settings if they want, but people who don't mess with settings shouldn't have the lifespan of their computer jacked up without their consent.
@mrbobgamingmemes9558
Жыл бұрын
That motherboard power limit bypass setting should be disabled out of the box . Cuz seriosly , so in customer want they just have to enabled it . No joke it could be a huge problem if cuatomer live in country with hot climate
@fakethiscrap2083
Жыл бұрын
You can always under-volt the cpu
@magottyk
Жыл бұрын
LOL, it's nothing new, it's been standard practice on Intel platforms for years.
@neroz06m.20
Жыл бұрын
A lot of people dont want to tinker wigh the bios so they prefer the auto performance boost and get what they pay for. Remember that a lot of people are not even aware of XMP.
@flimermithrandir
Жыл бұрын
I feel the same regarding the Insane usage of Watt in GPUs. The 4090 at 550 Watt compared to 300 Watt is like… just 10% Better. I have no Issue Nvidia making the 4090 running 660 Watts (as they claimed was possible in their Lab) but make the normal User Experience be 300 +- a few Watts). If ppl want to use 600 Watts… let them with OC Cards. Let themself Remove the Powerlimit. But dont make it the new Normal to run GPUs at 500+ Watts. It gets Insane for no Reason.
@04_ruizatanedy24
Жыл бұрын
I truly appreciate and really love that you guys made these kind of videos. Information about coolers and chip behavior this in-depth was really lacking out there.
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@jubayerwasidraiyan5874
Жыл бұрын
you guys are the best when it comes to coolers because you GUYS ARE SOME OF THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO TEST THEM SMH I know coolers aren't as cool as graphics cards but they're definitely pretty damn important!
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
I have a passion for them. - Mike
@muhammadzinc5228
Жыл бұрын
I got fooled by what others were saying and I worried about 13600K temps so I bought a 13400F instead. Now I'm regretting my decision.
@RojPhoo
Жыл бұрын
Currently having this problem😂
@RS-nq8xk
Жыл бұрын
Underclocked (not even undervolted) 13600K will be more power efficient than the 13400F simply because more cores matter a lot too, not just low clocks/voltage. Unless you run something like these mini PCs, even if you buy an i7/i9 it will still offer you performance gain over any lower end CPU. (Whether the price increase is worth it for you is another thing...)
@ohne_speed
Жыл бұрын
What I've done to my 13700kf is: removed the power limitations, slapped a big ass Arctic Liquid II 420 on it, set the TjMax to 80°C and undervolted it by 160mV. 1-2core Turbo is 57x, 3-4 56x, 5-6 55x, 7-8 54x (stock max). 99.9% it is not even close to the 80°C limit (40-60°C usually in games and photo heavy batched editing), but i limited it to that for longetivity.
@atriusvinius319
Жыл бұрын
Cinebench 23 after 10 minutes please
@DreamParadiseTv
Жыл бұрын
Can you guide me through what you,ve done please ? just upgraded to a i7-13700kf and getting very high temps..even at idle...thanks
@moonwatcher6594
8 ай бұрын
After pocking around a little, I have settled for the following settings: 1. Set the tjmax to 90c for safety, 2. Set a negative 0.075v offset, 3. Set per core boost 2 cores to 5.8, 5 cores to 5.5 and 8 cores to 5.2. Didn't touch the E-cores. The AIO is a 360mm one and it runs quiet. Max power draw is around 220w and the system is stable. BTW I disabled motherboard overclocking/enhancements but didn't put limits to pl1 and pl2.
@doublemountainman3043
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Cinebench multi core tests were giving me scores of 39.5k but temps of 100 degrees and thermal throttling, and after this video I turned off the msi turbo boost (and limited PL1 and PL2 to 253W just to be sure), and I get stable 85 degrees temp with scores around 37.8k. Very minor drop for a massive improvement!
@doublemountainman3043
Жыл бұрын
And this is with an NH-D15
@Newshustle
Жыл бұрын
@@doublemountainman3043 hey I have an NH D15 too so that's good to know. Could you possibly recommend a good budget motherboard that uses DDR4? I can't make my mind up on the motherboard but am currently looking at the ASUS Prime Z790-P WiFi D4
@atomicskull6405
Жыл бұрын
If you have an MSI board set CPU Light Load to 4 or 5, MSI's LGA1700 selects 12 by default which is much higher voltage than necessary. With my MSI board set to Light Lode 4 Cinebench r23 generates around 169w~171w, this settings is like some kind of CPU voodoo. You can actually go lower but some individual 13600's may not be stable and going below 4 is diminishing returns anyway. (also be aware that the march/april 2023 BIOS changed the voltage curves, Light Lode 6 is now equivalent to 9 previously)
@atomicskull6405
Жыл бұрын
@@Newshustle If you want an absolutely no bullcrap motherboard that doesn't cost a lot then take a look at the ASUS Pro Business motherboards for LGA1700. Absolutely no OC features at all, the BIOS has a text interface like something from the 90's where you just hit "load optimized defaults" and go, and the MB itself is a plain green board with off the shelf generic heatsinks where no thought was given to how it looks only that it works and is reliable. These boards are designed for enterprise computers where they are expected to be installed and "just work". This is the MB I would base on if I was building an i3-3100 or i5-3600 gaming PC for a "normal everyday person" who simply wants a system that is reliable and performs well. Yes I was surprised that someone still makes motherboards like this too.
@barteks816
Жыл бұрын
@@doublemountainman3043 13900k or 13700k? :) Have you tried switch Light Lode from default 12 to lower one? Greetings
@GoofieNewfie
Жыл бұрын
Noctua DH-15 2 fan Chromax 13700k. Asus Strix Gaming 790-E, Lian Li O11 EVO. Idle temp 28-34. Cinebench hits 87C, 31000+ score. No overclock. ddr5 5600 ram g-skill. Intel XM benchmark over 10k. I was determined NOT to use water or AIO. No Throttling. Multicore disabled. 100% Intel spec.
@laggmonstret
Жыл бұрын
This in a Fractal Torrent case was my plan :D
@thepathnotfound
Жыл бұрын
@@laggmonstret I’m using a Torrent and a U12a chromax black, tons of air flow through that case.
@GyroCannon
Жыл бұрын
I bought a 13600k and I'm cooling it in an itx sandwich case with a 67mm-ish tall air cooler. It does fail to hit boost clocks if I throw an all-core workload on it but I haven't seen any stutters when I peg the P cores with heavy load. People who fell for the "Intel runs hot" clickbait are missing out on great value - better value than Ryzen 7000
@GyroCannon
Жыл бұрын
@Seola agreed. I upgraded from the 3700x
@yourshotsalwaysmiss
Жыл бұрын
I could not find a decent video covering air cooling for the i5 13600k until now, you are a legend my dude
@hectorfelix9235
Жыл бұрын
This was the type of deep analysis I was looking for. Thanks and awesome work!
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Жыл бұрын
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@iichikocchi
Жыл бұрын
You finally answered the question why my Raptor Lake processor was not drawing the max wattage, it was actually reaching the max frequency with lower wattage. Thank you for the clarification!
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
Bingo!
@kasimirdenhertog3516
Жыл бұрын
6:54 very good you brought this up. I’m running a passive system with Alder Lake and found efficiency drops off dramatically above 85C. This used to be different. I’ve got a 8086K (so Coffee Lake) and when you plot out power & MHz vs. temperature, it’s pretty linear, only slightly curving off towards 100C. But Alder Lake requires about 20% more power for the same performance above 85C (Coffee Lake showing a 5-7% hike). This is due to architecture & miniaturization. Very interesting to see and important to keep in mind when you have to deal with a limited thermal budget.
@Zhunter5000
Жыл бұрын
I'm using a NH-D15S with the 13600K rn and it doesn't exceed 77 degrees under OCCT with a Vcore of 1.068V at stock speeds. Gaming temps never exceed 60. Really satisfied with the cooling of the 13600K on a D15S, but I do think it's important to undervolt these CPUs to get the lower temps. (Wattage also never exceeds 150W in OCCT).
@popgun2139
Жыл бұрын
how much did you undervolt?
@a120068020
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't undervolt - there's always going to be something that will tip it past a stability margin. I would prefer just to run within Intel spec power limits.
@Zhunter5000
Жыл бұрын
@@a120068020 Stress testing to verify stability is useful when undervolting and allows me to have the minimum voltage needed without jeopardizing stability. People who don't care to stability test shouldn't undervolt.
@Zhunter5000
Жыл бұрын
@@popgun2139 I have a fixed vcore of 1.150V at a low LLC
@igeeek5100
Жыл бұрын
@@Zhunter5000 Can you recommend a good tutorial for undervolt on the 13600k? I have a 13600k with a Strix z690 D4 and I think its VCORE is too high.
@brucemoolenaar7944
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the BEST videos I have ever seen on this topic. WELL DONE Hardware Canucks.
@techtressow
Жыл бұрын
Just saw this in my recommended feed and thank god I wasn't going crazy when I read intel's specs and monitored my CPU's initial power consumption. I have a 13600k and I got a $35 cooler (peerless assassin 120 SE) which is a little beast, but cinebench r23 was pushing 95c and prime95 was maxing out at 100c and throttling pretty quickly. Did a bit of research for my own motherboard and found it's best to override a voltage because turning off enhanced turbo and adjusting the AC/DC loadlines + calibration didn't get my voltage as low as I wanted. Granted, it was a huge improvement, but it still kept the volts around 1.3 (instead of 1.4-1.5 at stock). Overriding didn't cause high idle temps or high power (uses like 5w idling) because it automatically turns down the power even if you force a constant voltage. Found out I could force as low as 1.18v at stock clocks. That is an entire 320mv undervolt which is absolutely insane. Cinebench then maxxed at 75c and prime95 at 85c, while gaming rarely takes it above 60c. It was an ENTIRE 20c drop temps and about 100 watt drop in power (from pushing 280w to like 180w in prime95). What I ended up doing was 1.26v while overclocking both P+E cores by 200mhz. Cinebench now gives 80c and p95 maxes at 96c but stays around 90c. No throttling.
@SynthOSphere
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for these details! Would’ve been great to know which motherboard but it gives a great idea of where to start.
@pisachasrinuan7960
Жыл бұрын
This video amazing! very well thought out, planned, well-paced. The story is perfect, it does justice to Raptor Lake. Some people seem to think that Raptor Lake is really a bad CPU that is impossible to cool (coming from some particular channels), but it's not really the whole story. I mean, it's half Intel and half MB manufacturer's fault that makes their CPUs looks bad, but Raptor Lake is not a bad product. Anyway, people who don't like the high Power and Temp, please go to BIOS and set PL1, PL2 to what you like. Thank you!
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Жыл бұрын
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@techluvin7691
6 ай бұрын
My favourite tech channel with honest reviews. If you run Intel CPU’s at their recommended power limits……they don’t overheat. All these youtubers max out the power limits. Also, motherboard companies also max the power limits on “auto” settings. At stock Intel power limits, none of these CPU’s are as powerful as they claim.
@ghostplyr6346
Жыл бұрын
Doing all my research now before starting to order parts. Helpful video, thank you!
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@idn
Жыл бұрын
I'm running the i5-13600k @ 5.7 GHz with a CPU frame and Arctic 280mm AIO. My max temperature while gaming today (max 1440p settings in some CPU-grinding games like Path of Exile and Star Citizen) on P-cores was 58° c and on E-cores was 46° c. Really nice package.
@CreativeCommons277
Жыл бұрын
damnnn
@kramnull8962
Жыл бұрын
Have you tried a R23 loop? My 13700K does great in gaming temp wise. Only at 5.5 Ghz though. But in a loop of R23 I am bouncing 100C at different times, with a 360 AIO.
@maulcs
Жыл бұрын
@@APARAT79 Try Y-Cruncher and see what you get, it sounds like your P95 is with AVX off if it's getting similar temps as R23 (which is notoriously easy). I'm getting a 13900k shortly and I'm wondering if it'll even be possible to run these more intensive CPU tests - certainly not with MCE on at least. Although with my tuned 10900k I can hit 320w and be around 90c with my Liquid Freezer 360.
@idn
Жыл бұрын
@@kramnull8962 I haven't yet. I just used some simple burn in benchmarks, but nothing that intense. I figure if it's stable in games and it's a gaming PC, that's all I care about. The temps and stability and performance have been consistent for 2 weeks straight, so I'll take it.
@idn
Жыл бұрын
@@kramnull8962 also, did you set a temperature threshold? I set mine to 90c, and while I've yet to hit that, my understanding is that my Asus motherboard will allow the CPU to run at my manual overcooked settings until it reaches 90c, then start backing off from 5.7 GHz down to lower speeds. I'm only using 1.3 cpu voltage, so I used load line cali 6 (which is probably too aggressive really). Also, I used the new thermal grizzly extreme paste paired with a CPU frame, which supposedly works very very well.
@nedimhalilovic1
Жыл бұрын
I paired my 13600k with Thermalright Peerless Assassin because of your review and excellent price I got it for (33 euros on Amazon) and the temps are great, I overclocked my 13600k to 5,5 GHz on P cores and 4,4Ghz on E cores with 0.85V in XTU which comes to around 1,26v (209W of power consumption at full load) in Cinebench r23 where I got 26200 points in multithread and 2144 in single thread
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
NICE!
@heyitsjel
Жыл бұрын
That's a great sweet spot balancing performance and not pulling insane power. 2144 single thread points is right up with 13900k single threaded performance :)
@dracer35
Жыл бұрын
That's awesome! That's pretty close to 12900ks score for half the price while running cooler and using less energy. I should pick up a 13600k to do some testing for myself.
@nedimhalilovic1
Жыл бұрын
@@dracer35 yeah 13600k is a great cpu,idk why anyone would consider 7600x over it
@rocketracer111
Жыл бұрын
Sounds fantastic! Do you think I can use/tinker with those settings for an 12600k?
@pabloredigonda7281
Жыл бұрын
This video it's all i need. Thanks for the graphs and explanation of the Maximum Turbo Power, i had never understood that before. I comprise all the concepts and now everything is clear. Greetings from Argentina 🔷⬜🔷
@cosmiccouplet
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, you have earned a subscriber. I just bought an i9 for work and a 360mm AIO and was worried I'd have to undervolt the processor. I almost thought I wasted the money. So, now I am pleased again that I made the right choice after several weeks learning and playing PCBS2 to learn what I hadn't known in the last 20 years (last time I built). Thanks again.
@kramnull8962
2 ай бұрын
Screw that. The silicon lottery in that game is too addictive. Especially if you don't know the maximum limits and need to trial and error the game. And all the different platforms. You still have to have DDR4 6323 ram to have the best PC in the game. I won't spoil it any more than that.
@1SaG
10 ай бұрын
One year later... the only time I wish I had a 360mm instead of a 240mm with my new 14700KF is ... in all-core, full load benchmarks like Cinebench. The 240 I have will deal with about 230, 235W of power/heat while keeping temps *just* out of truly scary territory. Like low 90°C package temp. In all other scenarios I've encountered so far (mostly gaming), the 240 has no problem keeping the CPU cool - and things don't even get *that* loud. Stock settings on my board (MSI Z690 Tomahawk) are pretty much all "no limits" and produced amounts of heat in CB23 that would probably overwhelm most 360 AiOs. CB23 and 2024 produced peak power draw of over 300W while other benchmarks gave me up to 340W of super short term peak power. Intel's XTU too will recommend power-settings (PL1/2 = 300W, ICCMax = 400A) that let the CPU run way too hot. I had to reduce those and MSI's auto-VCore offset ("CPU Lite Load") to avoid crazy temperatures and power-draw.
@gemstone7818
Жыл бұрын
this is a pretty good showcase of 240mm water cooler vs really good air cooling
@laggmonstret
Жыл бұрын
Still would love to see a Noctua NH-D15S on a 13900K in a Fractal Torrent case ;D
@a120068020
Жыл бұрын
I only cottoned onto this just this week. My 13900k was hitting TJ max on Cinebench even with a Noctua NH-D15 and 9 fans in an airflow case. Got a 280mm AIO as I couldnt fit anything bigger but wimped out and stuck it on my 12900k system as I didn't think it would still be enough. Then, switched to Intel limits and I went from around 40000 multicore points to 38000 on Cinebench but temps went no higher than 81C - mid 70s for most cores. My board (Aorus Elite Z690 DDR4) and others are making this CPU look really bad when out of the box Intel limits would be better - allowing tweaking to custom limits for those with exotic cooling solutions. I couldn't get a pass on a Timespy stability test with the out of the box settings but switching to Intel defaults I got a 99.6% score on my first attempt! Some people mention additionally or instead of doing some undervolting - I am all about stability on all workloads so wouldn't want to run the risk of any stability issues no matter how well people think they have tested an undervolt - there will always be something not tested that could cause a crash.
@stefanpetrov8
Жыл бұрын
If you limit it to 205W you'll get roughly ~36k points and it'll run even cooler, less than 70 degrees.
@disadadi8958
Жыл бұрын
Z690 aorus elite DDR4 defaults to over 1.4Vcore on my 13600kf. Ridiculous. I would rather UV and crash than fry the chip with this shitty ass motherboard. Legitimately the first and last time I buy anything branded "Gigabyte"
@RogueTravel
Жыл бұрын
Air cooling kind of sucks on the 13900K, unfortunately. A 280mm AIO will beat out the NH-D15 so I’d try that out since you already purchased.
@CyberneticArgumentCreator
Жыл бұрын
@@disadadi8958 This entire video is about how all high-end Intel motherboards do this.
@disadadi8958
Жыл бұрын
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator The video is about unlimited power limits. I have those set at 4096W and I don't mind, but the Vcore override is damn useless and the default voltage is frying the chip. This video doesn't talk anything about it. I guess you misunderstood the content of the video or the content of my previous message..
@_thevaporz
Жыл бұрын
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler $40 and contact frame $12 works great.
@skeeterhoney
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about dropping a 13900KF into my Strix B660 but I was worried about the cooling since I have a (good) 240mm AIO. I feel a lot better about it now, especially since I won't (or can't) overclock and I'm only running DDR4 anyway (which I assume is a slight tax on how much work the CPU does...not really sure). Great video. Glad I found you guys.
@ashryver3605
Жыл бұрын
im just worried about the AIO failing and needing to be replaced or worse destroying components (leak)... I've had this 4790k build for over 10 years and all I've done is dust out air and brush out the fans every now and again - in fact, I only replaced the thermal paste once (last year) out of over a decade when it came to my NZXT Havik 140 air cooler.
@krisreddish3066
Жыл бұрын
it can happen but most folks that use AIO never have issues. I have fixed a few custom loops too, pumps can fail on the good, the bad, and the ugly. But as far as longevity I have a version 1 Corsair H00i that has lasted 7 years with 100% uptime and it is still going strong. I would assume they are a bit better now. In the early days of AIOs, I replaced a few pumps, as more and more adopted them, they seem to fail much less. Either R&D made them last longer, or use case has changed slightly.
@JobyP
Жыл бұрын
Man! Thanks for this video! I hated how hot this damn thing ran. 30 second trip to the bios set the power limits to 253 rather than 4096!!! And now she’s running cool as a cucumber hour long stress test didn’t pass 88 degrees. MUCH better. Thanks 🙏
@heyitsjel
Жыл бұрын
My 13900k on an MSI Z690i Unify runs cool as a cucumber. Using "stock" power limits the board came with (around 240W), in cinebench R23 it pulled 35,000 points and didn't exceed 77 degrees celsius (ambient around 23-24C). I'm only running a EVGA 280 CLC (AIO) inside a Coolermaster NR200 and fans weren't at full speed. Average power draw was hovering around 220W. Now, I could unlock my power limits to squeeze another 15% performance out of it, but honestly for daily driving it's not needed. I don't even have a contact frame installed yet, and that's regular type thermal paste (ie. not liquid metal). Anytime you're seeing someone complain about how hot the 13900k runs (eg. thermal throttling, 100C), it's because they're pulling like 330W trying to squeeze every last bit of performance out of it; which unless you're running *very* specific workloads, you're realistically not going to even notice the difference in things like gaming.
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Жыл бұрын
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@shpex489
Жыл бұрын
Жтэжжэшю
@oMeGa0122
Жыл бұрын
This is something new to me. Kudos for being the first to say this. You have got a new subscriber
@l3xx000
Жыл бұрын
This was great! Thank you! I really like how you tested the i5-13600K and gave me some great information on what cooler might make sense for this to be able to get the best performance at a reasonable cost for the cooling!
@cnhtol1586
Жыл бұрын
freaking 2month old video. and i saw this now, i am so amazed. That HUB guy was making so much fuzz over this cooling thing
@thestrykernet
Жыл бұрын
I wish more folks would key on the power consumption not being on Intel so much as out of base spec motherboards. It also adds a level of complexity to reviews due to all of the factors behind keeping heat under control. I'd be curious to see what your numbers looked like on the 13900K if you replaced the ILM with the thermaltake or thermal grizzly solutions. Sadly it seems like these are pretty much mandatory on the 13900K if you're going to be slamming it, but I'm curious if the advantages scale down with cooling solution. Thanks again for the great video.
@DustinGorman
Жыл бұрын
Wow! Astounded at the work that went into this. Very, very informative. Thank you!
@seniordoggo
Жыл бұрын
Good to know the 13600k is good at those temps. I just got one installed on an H1 V2 and the idle temps are 44c with highest maybe 85c(normally 75c)
@Cryptomined
Жыл бұрын
im just watching youtube and my 13900k is at 70c using the nzxt z73 360 cooler ... is that normal??
@adsrbad9733
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the 13600k data supports info that it has A LOT of OC headroom. Which is quite cool.
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@yellosuit
Жыл бұрын
Now that was a great video. Great job you did there making sense of the whole situation with cooling Vs. Power consumption.
@VirtualReality-kf7sh
Жыл бұрын
I just had my first Cinebench MP runs with 13900K, Gigabyte Aorus Master Z790 and Arctic Freezer II 360 and was shocked at the OOTB power draw HWInfo showed. 332W and constantly hitting 100°C and throttling looked scary. Thanks to this video i now understand what happens and will set my targets accordingly.
@alissonreinaldosilva1119
Жыл бұрын
Did it work?
@VirtualReality-kf7sh
Жыл бұрын
@@alissonreinaldosilva1119 Yes, setting the power limits made for 88 Celsius max. now which is fine.
@atriusvinius319
Жыл бұрын
@@VirtualReality-kf7sh You loose performance when you decrease PL. You have bought 13900k and now you have 13700k with these PL)
@Danlovestrivium
Жыл бұрын
@@atriusvinius319 Now make the same mobo settings changes to the 13700k and it's obvious that the 13900k still outperforms the i7. You're trying to pretend that a 13700k sucking down power is somehow comparable to a 13900k that's not. lol
@lukerestlessstudios
Жыл бұрын
DerBauer found that going above about 180 watts draw on the 13900K was where you get bodied by diminishing returns. 10% more performance for a trade off of 50% less efficiency at 300 watts. I’m limiting mine to no more than 200 watts.
@TheDoRelian
Жыл бұрын
I must say I recently bough a 13600k paired with MSI z690 pro ddr4 motherboard, and all I did (after updating to the last BIOS, needed for Intel 13 series) was setting my ram to XMP profile, and approving a tower-based air cooling solution. Obviously MSI did the same with 13600k as they are usually doing with the big brothers, so my chip ran piping hot at 100 degrees, sucking up to 3xx watts power, according to BIOS settings. I was forced to manually set a lower CPU lite mode, switched the air-cooling solution to box-cooler in BIOS, set a 150w limit for short time peak power, then everything worked perfectly fine
@josesilva-pn9jw
Жыл бұрын
By spec max turbo power is 181 watts for this CPU, I've set it to the limit 181 watts in z790 mobo and now it is cool between 50 ~ 80 degrees. Also I've set CPU Tj Max to 98 degrees (someone here have verified that asrock and asus mobo set it to 115 degrees by default, but it is too much I guess)
@KushiKush
8 ай бұрын
I am amazed that you took time out of your day to make a comparrison of fan speeds. that test is amazing and I always wondered how fans affect performance. And now I know, thank you
@Shokyto
Жыл бұрын
What an amazing content, I already did a couple purchase selection based on your amazing work, my combo will be 13600k + Thermaltake Peerless Assassin 120 :D
@soapa4279
Жыл бұрын
I set my (13900K) PL's to 183W. I rarely only use all the threads/cores unless I'm video editing anyway. During gaming power barely reaches 100-150W in short bursts, so I notice zero difference in performance there.
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
But video editing....don't you use GPU Compute?
@soapa4279
Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareCanucks Oh yes, but I like to do Render previews which uses mostly CPU
@OfficialGundem
Жыл бұрын
@@soapa4279 what cooler would you recommend me if im using a 13700K for video editing?
@soapa4279
Жыл бұрын
@@OfficialGundem Honestly the best one you can afford, but the Scythe Fuma 2 is one of the best for not much money. I have that on my other system and on my personal rig I use a Noctua NF U12A
@thecowboyfromcali
Жыл бұрын
I have a Noctua NH-D15 air cooling my 13900k, and it's spectacular. I have no heat issues, it rarely gets above 60-65 degrees celsius, and isn't super loud at all. The coil whine on my Gigabyte Gaming Master RTX 4090 is actually louder than the tower cooler
@cgroyg
Жыл бұрын
Are u gaming or rendering
@YonOtto
Жыл бұрын
Noticed this with my 10850k. Sometimes the board will start up at 5.4ghz all core and loading into Windows will hit 100c... its insanity. Restart the system and it goes back to normal and doesn't touch 50c and is 4.8ghz to 5ghz.
@mattlm64
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a comparison of i5, i7 and i9 when air cooled. I'm looking at an i5 but wonder if it's worth going for an i7 when air cooled.
@z8editing
Жыл бұрын
the 13900k isnt only used by gamers, yes gpu rendering got popular but you are still mostly capped by your vram, making it unusable for large complex scenes. on top of that gpu rendering seems to evolve to xpu meaning using cpu and gpu and the same time. so yes it won't be the cpu of choice for the vfx industry, but these rencent cpus are versatile and perfect for individuals other than that, thanks a lot for the in depth explaination !
@thepathnotfound
Жыл бұрын
Which cpu would be used?
@garycandace1871
Жыл бұрын
Using a Deepcool L720 LT 360mm AIO, my I9-13900K never gets above 75C even when kept at 100 percent load for hours on end. I haven't gotten around to installing the intake fans and it still does great. My other computer has a same generation I7, and it is air cooled by a Scyth Mugen, and it goes straight to 101C when I put it under 100 percent load.
@yunjinie-huh
11 ай бұрын
thanks dude, i'm going with the lT720!
@mickmoon6887
Жыл бұрын
Please include ambient room temperatures in the video because it does and will affect the temperature and result
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@faidzfahmy5588
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info! Better understanding on temps issue between the two chips.
@Michael-ue9nv
Жыл бұрын
Awesome testing and explanations once again, great video!
@Addeatt
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm so happy I fell into this video. Well done!
@Bradh90
Жыл бұрын
Great video loving this style of content really really interesting and very helpful for me in specing out my new build.
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@PunzL
Жыл бұрын
The graph at 6:55 is EXTREMELY MISLEADING for anyone who isn't paying too close attention to the video and could easily be taken out of context online with bad screenshots. The vertical axis begins at 4750 MHz so the 3% difference difference *appears* to look more like the default limits only go half compared to removing them. You guys could at least point it out with the voice over and/or make an annotation in the actual graph. But the better thing to do is to just be straight up and start the vertical axis at 0. That would further highlight the insignificant difference 3% actually makes. Please fix this for future videos. Thanks
@mickmoon6887
Жыл бұрын
Graph is shortened to show the easy highlight Video should've included an description or text telling the shortened graph Another major issue is not including ambient room temperatures as it will impact performance differences and these bad problems are always present when this video presenter is doing the video
@cojo51
Жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity, why haven’t you reviewed the 13700K yet? I’ve only been seeing the bigger tech tubers reviewing the i5 and the i9. Some of the smaller tech channels have been putting up i7 reviews. Edit: I bought the i7 figuring it’s a binned 12900k with a little extra cache but I do wanna know what you guys think of it.
@WayStedYou
Жыл бұрын
Intel only sent 13600k and 900k to most outlets.
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
Because these are the CPUs we were seeded. We typically buy the others but haven't gotten around to it this time.
@PunzL
Жыл бұрын
@@WayStedYou But why? It seems so weird to not include at least one sku from each tier of the product stack
@kumarsalib722
Жыл бұрын
@@PunzL You're welcome to send them one.
@akirkpatrick0
Жыл бұрын
Instead of leaving everything in the BIOS on auto, I manually enforced Intel's stock TDP (188 Watts - MSI had given it 288), and adjusted a setting called "CPU Lite Load" (which I believe, by default, oversupplies voltage to account for variations in chip lottery / "bad chips") I now top out at 88.5 in full load cinebench, with an Deepcool AK620 air cooler. It maintained boost speeds the entire 10 minute bench, at no point thermal throttling. It's pulling max 1.3V instead of 1.4V My cinebench score went up to 24263 from 23130 Manufacturer's oversupplying the chip is absolutely nuts - I can't rationalize their decision making there.
@cinnabarsin4288
Жыл бұрын
I just got my first MSI board (B660M) in... a long, long time largely off the reputation of the Mortar line for mATX. Lordy these BIOS are terrible, have to search up what almost everything is and these power controls are incredibly obfuscated and different or absent from their other boards. Not to mention it starts by asking what cooler you have (boxed, tower, or liquid) and then sets the PL1, PL2, and current limits off that. If you just hit ESC it defaults to liquid which sets it to 4096W for PL1 and PL2 and 512A, obviously it's not going to draw that but it goes to the whole deceptive angle all these motherboard makers are participating in. You would really think this behavior from both Intel and AMD would hurt their reputation with average customers who might not even know (or feel comfortable) changing what probably should be the default.
@PsychoStreak
Жыл бұрын
These numbers still suggest that the higher end chips will be even more of a challenge for SFF builders unless they do some significant tweaking, or just give in and go with the lower spec CPUs. Also, what were the noise levels like with those coolers running full tilt? Would like to see you do a SFF cooler test with these chips, if only to show just how bad it can get. I think a LOT of people are put off by the apparent NEED to get an AIO (for those all core workloads), and that Intel's reviewer guide specified using a high end AIO. That really is problematic for people who were thinking about just dropping in a new MB & CPU in their existing case if a large AIO simply won't fit. That said, good job pointing out the shady practice of MB's coming with Palpatine mode (UNLIMITED POWER!) mode as the default. People who don't know better and buy the highest end assuming it's the best are going to have those heat and power consumption issues because they won't think to check that setting. Hopefully some of them or people they'll listen to will see this and check it.
@teeaymusik9811
Жыл бұрын
Should i disable the unlimited power mode in my mainboard?
@PsychoStreak
Жыл бұрын
@@teeaymusik9811 If you're not experiencing throttling or very high temps, then no, it's not necessary. If you are, that might help.
@malccy72
Жыл бұрын
Good info vid but what's with the constant annoying door chimes in background?
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@antiHUMANDesigns
Жыл бұрын
I've ordered the ASUS z790 Hero and a 13900k. My choice of cooling was to buy the EK AIO Elite 360 D-RGB, which seems to have the best cooling performance in the AIO market. I also bought a set of industrial, high-speed Noctua fans that I'll try putting on that AIO, though I'm not sure that'll make more than 1-2 degrees C difference.
@ColinDyckes
Жыл бұрын
The Noctua Industrial fans are great on the Hero and 13900K on custom loop at 320W and 90C on torture loads. All P cores at 5.7 and E cores at 4.4. They are quite noisy though at high speed. Should help on an AIO but I've never used one.
@antiHUMANDesigns
Жыл бұрын
@@ColinDyckes My computer is in a different room from where I sit. I run cables through a hole in the wall. So, noise is not a big concern, it's completely silent where I sit.
@maulcs
Жыл бұрын
@@ColinDyckes What's your voltage/LLC?
@SimplisticMinimalist
Жыл бұрын
Has the EK a new version? Last time I checked like 2 weeks ago Arctic freezer 420 was the best AIO
@antiHUMANDesigns
Жыл бұрын
@@SimplisticMinimalist It may be that a 420 will beat a 360, yes. Der8auer did a comparison test of many AIOs, and the EK beat the artic freezer 360, at least. Marginally.
@afterglow-podcast
Жыл бұрын
I'm running a 13600k with a 240 mm AIO, and my average temps run between 40 and 44. The board is an Asus Tuf 760m. When gaming I've noticed temps get up to 52 or so, but I'd say those temps are pretty acceptable.
@RobertFromEarth
Жыл бұрын
Great info, thank you! Future buyers must know that the 13600K will max out specs frequencies with ~150W. After watching your review of the AK620 (2 months ago?), I bought it for a new build based on the 13600K. This is a great combo. I also installed a CPU Contact Frame. I don't know if it makes a difference but it was an easy task and the temps look good. Question: for the 13600K at full load, did you see a difference in power consuption based on the temperature? Or maybe it's marginal (67c for the 360mm AIO vs 85c for the AK400).
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@AnthonyStudio
Жыл бұрын
Thank You so much for this video. Have an Intel 13600K and Arc 770 sitting on the desk and looking for info related to cpu + cooling. Spent approx 8 hrs today so far researching cooling options - this video is *hands down* the single most helpful piece of information on the internet so far related to 13th gen chip - cooling. Again, thank you!
@HardwareCanucks
Жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@vMaxHeadroom
Жыл бұрын
Sanity at last...Running a 13700K small overclock to 5.4GHz all P cores and 4.4GHz all E Cores with an adaptive vcore at max 1.278v in Cenebench R23 gets over 31K multi score with temps never going over 80 Degrees with a 360mm AIO. In gaming in the low 40's to mid 50's. Power suseag is also great with idle and low useage between 15 to 35w with the e cores actually making a difference, and in gaming anywhere between 70w and 120w dependant on game. even when decoding or rendering the power usage is more than manageble and with a small negative offset even better. The 13600K and even the 13700K will run more than fine with a good quality air cooler or 240mm aio...Yes the Ryzen 7000 series are most certainly effecient but averaged out they are pretty much even...
@heuer03
Жыл бұрын
What about Noctua NH-D15 to cool i9-13900KS? enough for it? looking for a solution, and don't want liquid cooling, many thanks.
@MrTorexko
Жыл бұрын
Very informative, thank you!
@nlgatewood
5 ай бұрын
I bought an ASUS b760i with a 13600k. I had no intention of overclocking and was running into power throttling frequently...even after replacing my cooler and getting the lga1700 bracket. Turns out, my board set the pl1/pl2 and IccMax way high..and the AC/DC Loadlines were jacked up to 1.7moHms. My board was frequently running a 1.55v vcore. I brought everything back down to the Intel stock and decreased the loadlines..and everything has worked perfectly with no decrease in performance..plus 10C lower temperatures.
@numbersix9477
Жыл бұрын
Succinct. Informative. Great choice of topic. Well done!
@Raintiger88
Жыл бұрын
This cleared up a lot of my confusion trying to get my new build with 13900k cool. Now I know why I can't.
@Varil92
Жыл бұрын
What about the PSU requirements? Is 850W enough for an i5-13600K with a GPU like a RX 6900 XT for example? I have doubts between the i5-13600K and the 5800X3D and the main concern I have here is power consumption.
@kamau6988
Жыл бұрын
850w is more than enough for that combo
@Varil92
Жыл бұрын
@@kamau6988 Are you sure? I see many people opting for a 1000W when building an i5-13600k build. I'm thinking about making a build with RX 6900 XT or RX 7800 XT.
@MrWaheedulHaque
Жыл бұрын
@@Varil92 im using a 750w for i5 13600k with rx 6750 6 ssds, 4 m.2s, and lots of rgb hahaha, no issue at all, im slightly overclocked on both cpu and gpu too
@Alp577
Жыл бұрын
I have an ITX build with 4090 founders and 13900k. My Corsair SF750 is only running at 660W. With undervolt with the same performance, I manage to get around 500-580W while gaming. Granted my PSU is platinum rating that can reach 900W with no problem, but I think 850W gold is more than enough for 13600k.
@sd7335
Жыл бұрын
Even 750w gold will be fine
@KK-fi6ms
Жыл бұрын
When you said "everybody", I immediately thought - if not everybody, there will be at least three specific youtubers are always the first to jump on the hatewagon, and of course it was those three that show up in that list.
@simoSLJ89
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Mike! I'm going to buy a 13900k, and I will stick to intel specs, since I will stay on air with my "old" D15S chromax. I have a problem with using water in my systems :D even if they are just AIO
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@ausview4229
Жыл бұрын
may i ask whats the problem
@simoSLJ89
Жыл бұрын
@@ausview4229 Fear. Nightmares of water leaking on my gpu, my psu, my ssds. The horror of losing components, losing data, losing sanity. Air. Air is all I need.
@teeaymusik9811
Жыл бұрын
@@simoSLJ89 Haha yeah and a normal cpu cooler looks nicer imho.
@NuisanceMan
Жыл бұрын
15:01 "I'll be completely honest with you unlike a lot of times" Ahhh, quoting out of context... how I love it!
@maxslayer11
Жыл бұрын
Could you make a video on what BIOS settings to use to keep the 13th gen run cooler and on less power. I will be turning off the turbo boost in the BIOS as I was not aware of that one for MSI.
@AeiKei
Жыл бұрын
Just try to keep vcore as low as possible, on the 13700kf I managed to make it stable at 1.16 Vcore with 5.4p/4.4e all core
@levelazn
Жыл бұрын
@@AeiKei 13900 has 1.2volts at default. You think a simple 1.16 will be stable ?
@AeiKei
Жыл бұрын
@@levelazn 1.2 is only at boot, when you load the cpu it will spike to around 1.40, in order to make it stay at 1.20 you need to override the vcore setting and set it manually to 1.20, you could start at 1.16 and see if it passes a 30 min test of cinebench, if not try raising from 1.16 until it's stable
@kramnull8962
Жыл бұрын
@@AeiKei Thanks a lot. My 13700K was throttling 3 P cores in R23. I couldn't go below 1.20V, without failures. But at 1.2V i went from 30706 to a 31206. Still using the basic overclocking tool on the MSI Tomahawk Z790. More than the DDR5 basic R23 scores for this chip on old DDR4.
@AeiKei
Жыл бұрын
@@kramnull8962 31k is typical score for this chip, the pc I built was also using DDR4
@stefvds
Жыл бұрын
This explains why my i5 13600k hits 99 degrees instantly when doing a handbrake video encoding. the MSI PRO Z790-A has the wattage limits removed by default and has overlocked the P and E cores to 5.2 and 4Ghz...
@Newshustle
Жыл бұрын
it's a good thing it has the wattage limits removed by default right? Or do you want the limit to keep temps down?
@sd7335
Жыл бұрын
@@Newshustle it's a misleading thing, since the board is applying OC and blaming the vendor for running hot lol
@Michael-ue9nv
Жыл бұрын
4:16 4 kW and 500 A limits lmao
@ABaumstumpf
Жыл бұрын
Yeah - the supposed "intel" limits as he says are already running the CPU without any powerlimits cause none of the Z-boards follow the specs.
@Michael-ue9nv
Жыл бұрын
@@ABaumstumpf ya I just find the specification of these crazy limits so funny. It's like saying the speed limit on a highway is 10,000 mph
@ABaumstumpf
Жыл бұрын
@Stein Mauer You can set the powertarget higher, but Ryzen still limits the powerdraw and it is hard getting past ~245W. Cause AMD is limiting the power based on several factors, including temperature - so without sub-zero cooling it is not really possible to let the CPU run free.
@ABaumstumpf
Жыл бұрын
@Stein Mauer "The 7950X can absolutely draw ~300W just by changing the power limits, with no crazy cooling." Try it - just try it. "They are stock about 250W and can be set higher with very diminishing returns." 125W - not a single CPU is higher. What you are talking about is the board-partners ignoring all powerlimits on Z-boards.
@ReptileMonitor
Жыл бұрын
I run my 13900K with a Noctua U12A chromax black, it doesn't even reach 80C when stress testing it with prime95 small FFTs at a 25C ambient temperature.
@thepathnotfound
Жыл бұрын
Love that cooler I use it with a 5800x3d and a torrent design
@techgirl517
Жыл бұрын
i have the 13600KF and for me is the best CPU actually... no expensive, DDR4 support, older chipset support... and power enough for all games
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@teeaymusik9811
Жыл бұрын
It's even overkill for games. It has so much power that you can do everything with it.
@SynthOSphere
8 ай бұрын
Awesome vid with 100% the tech info I needed. You guys are the best!
@petkozhivkov4271
Жыл бұрын
If you limit the Raptor by current(А), it becomes much more energy efficient than if it is limited by PL.
@CreativeCommons277
Жыл бұрын
Does it hinder performance
@petkozhivkov4271
Жыл бұрын
Limits always hinder the performance but current limit in most of the cases causes less performance loss that the PL for the similar power.
@riba2233
Жыл бұрын
Very nice in-depth video, thanks!
@SmokeSolo1975
Жыл бұрын
How come no one mentions undervolting instead of underwatting. I've got a 13700kf that at first was going to 100 degrees. After turning my vcore down . 1.25 and applying 2 levels of load line calibration my 13700k runs at 5.4 all core on p cores and 4.3 all core e core and temps max at 80 degrees. And in gaming doesn't top 50 degrees.
@AeiKei
Жыл бұрын
Great temp, what cooling solution are you using? I have 5.4p/4.4e all core at 1.16v stable but still peaking at 90-91 degrees on cinebench 30 min run
@SmokeSolo1975
Жыл бұрын
@@AeiKei 360mm artic liquid freezer 2 aio
@AeiKei
Жыл бұрын
@@SmokeSolo1975 yeah that explains it, unfortunately i can't fit a 360 in the case i'm using. Indeed undervolting is the way to go. Thanks for the reply, cheers!
@colinmcbottle
Жыл бұрын
With undervolting you need to stress test as much as you do with overclocking, to see if you are rock solid. WIth underwatting/underamping, you are still using Intel's validated stock f/v curve, which we know its rock solid. So its just the easier plug and play option. It indeed is more inneficient tho on a pure perf/w angle, but for people that use their pcs for productivity besides gaming the extra peace of mind is invaluable.
@raincatchfire
Жыл бұрын
@@colinmcbottle Can you tell me more about under watting the 13600k? How many watts can you get it down to? Thanks!
@ricsim78
Жыл бұрын
I just got the Core i9 13900K yesterday and it runs cooler than my former Ryzen 9 5900x did! My Raptor Lake setup is cooled by a Deepcool 360mm AIO LS-720 and my former Ryzen setup was cooled by a Corsair 360mm AIO H150 Elite (so there is no real advantage unless the Deepcool is that much better than the Corsair!). If you want a faster and hotter CPU, you have to keep in mind that you have to cool it well, so factor that into your expense! Whether you run Intel or AMD, you run the 9 series of either, expect to have some heat to take care of!
@uhohwhy
Жыл бұрын
its hot, cuz it's just overclocked 12th gen.
@willfullyinformed
Жыл бұрын
This helped me so much! Thank you!!! Been racking my brain on this for my new PC build these last 2-3 days. I didn't understand why my temps were instantly so insane on my 360 rad at max RPM; I thought I had a terrible chip/MB. MCE was the cause. It just isn't necessary pumping insane amounts of wattage into the CPU by default. As chips advance, it is becoming less and less necessary to overclock them because they're already coming out the gate insane with performance. This video helped me understand the bigger picture, which led me to disabling MCE, and going from 100C on basically all of my P Cores in testing, to 85, and 96 max on R23 Cinebench... which of course is not anything near that hot for gaming or rendering. Cheers
@afriendofafriend5766
Жыл бұрын
Insane power draw regardless, just not worth it when there are better options for less.
@TheGreektrojan
Жыл бұрын
@Stein Mauer Yeah. Basically if the 13600 is too power hungry/hot for you, you'll probably want to wait another few months for the 65w options for the new gens to hit the market (which is what I'm basically doing).
@jublywubly
Жыл бұрын
The company ASUS isn't "Ayseuse", it's exactly as it's written: Asus, because it's short for Pegasus, not a-masseuse.
@MrVidification
Жыл бұрын
in most vids it's ay-zeus or ay-sus (ay as in may or ray)
@nostrum6410
Жыл бұрын
nobody should be buying a 13900k for gaming. should be 7950x for high end production, and 13700k or 600k for anything lesser
@soapa4279
Жыл бұрын
Eh except you need a 13900K to get the most FPS with an RTX 4090. The 7950X is a close second. Yes yes I know I know, you get most of the performance from the lesser chips. But anybody who has a 4090 wants the best CPU to go with it anyway. Start thinking longer term too, once the 4090Ti, 5090, 6090 comes out, you'll just need a faster CPU to keep up with them.
@nostrum6410
Жыл бұрын
@@soapa4279 but a 13700k is essentially the exact same cpu, as far as gaming is ever gonna care
@soapa4279
Жыл бұрын
@@nostrum6410 Except it isn't. The extra cache and higher out of box clock speeds in the 13900K makes the difference. And yes I know, we're talking a mere 5% or so. Also don't get me wrong, I agree with you that's all anyone needs for gaming.
@deadselect
Жыл бұрын
I would like to clarify about Raptor PL1 = PL2 "Processor Base Power 125" & "Maximum Turbo Power 253". On my mobo asrok PL1 =125 is installed automatically, but not immediately when you turn it on. I think this is a bug anyway. But the fact that they decided for some reason to make undervolt protection for vcore unplugable is already idiocy. 13700KF outputs 245 w package in cinebench r23 at full stock (5280 mhz if bclk 99.8). I tried 2 variants for comparison: limiting the TDP to 180 and reducing the multiplier to 5.1. The second option turned out to be preferable for me, since in games the performance per watt increased by an average of 20%, and in multithreaded load the performance was higher. Btw, 102.5 bclk gives a very decent boost here. Peace.
@MR-vj8dn
Жыл бұрын
Oh I understod your logo just now. Thanks for the video / info.
@TheMartinSan
Жыл бұрын
I'm gaming on a 1440p display granted, but never managed to get my i7 13700k above 50 degrees in gaming. Using an arctic liquid freeze II 420m
@Tav_cr
Жыл бұрын
I haven't found a single video about how to tweak the Bios settings for efficiency. I have an Aorus e Z790 and while many channels talk about default settings that make the get hot, no one is posting a video with the right settings to avoid the high temperatures and get just enough power to run games cool and stable.
@tomalstar
Жыл бұрын
This video was awesome! Answers the right questions in a great way.
@julesvanlaar
Жыл бұрын
Well, that explains why the store I had my PC built at few weeks ago advised to swap out the Noctua air cooler for a 360mm AIO.
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