Correction: The 5% geomean loss comparison was against the 265K, not 285K, while the "on par" statement remains accurate against the 285K. The first part has been corrected with the trim tool. This correction comment will remain in place to transparently document the change, although the error will no longer be present. The on-screen correction card has been added as well. If you missed it, check out our deep-dive on the 12VHPWR & 12V-2x6 spec problems here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/umlssoGJbqtkZ3Y Watch our Intel CPU fab tour here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qot_zmSciIeUpYY Working on testing all the CPUs again right now!
@_GntlStone_
3 сағат бұрын
I'm wondering if they really need to look at moving from 12v to 24v to start handling this power need increase. Do you think that would make a difference in the long-term?
@AlfaPro1337
2 сағат бұрын
It's the 2nd gen of Core Ultra series, because 1st gen is mobile. Derp.
@AJBtheSuede
2 сағат бұрын
Another correction... The term "Glue" in chip manufacture/packaging is over 45 years old AFAIK, and has always (still is!) been used to talk about chiplet com traces routed through the organic substrate (the glass fiber package baseplate). I still hear it all the time. The main downside to this is degradation of signal integrity, and HUGE power losses for high frequency lines. We're talking about a 3-5 THOUSAND percent higher power losses than if you can route something directly on the chip. Hence the huge problems with information sharing, cache sharing and thread relocation on AMD's chiplet designs, who all use what is very correctly termed "Glue" to interconnect them. Using a silicon interposer in stead of routing down all the way through the organic baseplate can decrease power losses by 90+ percent, while increasing the stable line frequency by 50% and line packaging density by several hundred percent
@GamersNexus
Сағат бұрын
@@AJBtheSuede That's not a correction. We are referencing an old Intel diss on AMD where they used the term in a derogatory way. It was a joke about Intel's bad takes.
@ThomMurphy
Сағат бұрын
I wonder if the slide you removed from the video (Intel's "A Cooler and Quieter Flagship Experience" 265K slide), was an Intel mistake, typo, or if perhaps they are being intentionally misleading. Intel's slide included a link for more details, but that URL doesn't lead to ANY 265K specific gaming performance, temperature, or power draw information. It did, however, include such information for the 285K. If it wasn't a mistake by Intel they've, so far, failed to publish the relevant details. Meaning that your testing will be all the more relevant. If Intel doesn't provide those details for the 265K, and leaves us with only their 285K information, I hope your testing is done with both the 265K and 285K and compares your findings with what they have shared.
@aiziril
2 сағат бұрын
The naming could have been really clean - Ultra 9 290K, Ultra 7 270K, Ultra 5 250K. But they decided "NO! Take 5 off all those!". Maybe thats where the 5% lower performance comes from.
@juniorjunior8494
2 сағат бұрын
There's two reasons why they wouldn't do that - 1 AMD is always copying and trying to adjust their naming schemes based on what intel does, and this makes it harder for AMD to follow. 2. It leaves room for higher end products within the same tier. Though i am pretty sure AMD next gen will try to follow this naming scheme, as you have seen they followed intel on the mobile parts - literally 1 year after making major adjustments to their naming schemes, they decided its better to align with intel's naming scheme
@danijelujcic8644
Сағат бұрын
they did something similarly confusing with Pentium D
@slickrounder6045
Сағат бұрын
Some made fun of "Zen 5%", but atleast it was a Gain of "5" and not a loss of "5". That being said, this new architecture from Intel is all but surely an improvement for them going forward due to the better power effiency (albeit still not at Zen levels) and hopefully temps, as well as possibly solving their degradation issues that were the inevitable result of them jacking up their 13/14th gen voltage and power consumption up to such obscene levels to squeeze out miniscule gains.
@Trisstan20
Сағат бұрын
@@juniorjunior8494 i missed when AMD copied intel and released AMD 387 :(
@furkannsb
Сағат бұрын
@@juniorjunior8494 why did you answer it like you work for Intel?
@panathaninf
Сағат бұрын
-"How much has it improved in gaming?" -"AI"
@Ignisan_66
Сағат бұрын
And its not even AI, its just machine learning. AI is a marketing term. We don't have any artificial *intelligence*
@desertfish74
56 минут бұрын
Ay ay ayyyyy
@Maartwo
32 минут бұрын
@@Ignisan_66That's what infuriates me the most.
@hotindianuncle
27 минут бұрын
@@Ignisan_66 yes "AI" is an oxymoron. similarly, so is a "quantum" computer.
@skadud1e863
3 сағат бұрын
Im still gonna call it the 15900K
@GamersNexus
3 сағат бұрын
This is the kind of protest the world needs more of: Pure pettiness!
@wolfenwingsable
3 сағат бұрын
As someone who was military and now a truck driver, love the pettines and im behind 100%
@MaryannLynch-z9c
3 сағат бұрын
It is a 15900K that technically ties at best 14900K. We should call it a 15900K and be done with the naming. ;)
@JFinns
3 сағат бұрын
Might be in the market for a 15700K myself, although I like the shorter 265K naming. I just wish they kept the i5/i7/9.
@thedarkknightdeltakx-4756
3 сағат бұрын
You're not the only one, brother😅
@RichWithTech
3 сағат бұрын
Intel is taking memos from the Sony Xperia naming scheme: confuse the customer so they have no idea which generation of what they're looking at, then give up and go to a different brand
@Lollllllz
3 сағат бұрын
stop giving sony ideas they may up their confusion game
@raeferwilson2599
2 сағат бұрын
As a Sony fan 😂😂😂
@claudiobizama5603
2 сағат бұрын
"Oh yeah I love my sony xperia 1 VI, I just upgraded from my Sony Xperia 10 IV. I also like listening to music with my Sony WH-1000XM4, but they are kinda bulky, so I will wait for the WF-1000XM5"
@HenryThe12
2 сағат бұрын
Now all they need to do is announce and release their confusingly named CPUs in 6 month intervals and clog their product stack!
@michaelbuto305
2 сағат бұрын
@@Lollllllz What do you mean, Sony is the biggest player for these shit hole naming.
@locust76
3 сағат бұрын
Imagine telling a computer nerd in the 80s that in 2024 you can buy intels all new two eighty-five CPU 😂
@GamersNexus
3 сағат бұрын
hahaha. Just wait for the new 286!
@chaddesrosiers1107
2 сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus Intel is doing the naming, correct? So we get the 285 in 2024. In 2026 we get the 287H. H because 2026 will be the year of the Horse of course.
@afelias
2 сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus omg this was all a marketing plan to resurrect the Pentium
@terrylaze6247
2 сағат бұрын
@@chaddesrosiers1107 "the year of the Horse, of course of course. " There, fixed it for you.
@chaddesrosiers1107
2 сағат бұрын
@@terrylaze6247 Its been so many years I for got to double it up. lol o7
@Deathscythe91
3 сағат бұрын
who at intel approves this weird ass naming
@avonire
3 сағат бұрын
All it does is confuse everyone, and whoever came up with that name scheme probably makes $500,000 a year 😭
@arkama67
3 сағат бұрын
it's rebranding to sell you sht. It means this generation is meaningless.
@TheMarkhhuk
2 сағат бұрын
@@avonire This naming is really confusing
@jibbysimping4968
2 сағат бұрын
Rebrand it’s like moving to a new house for them to get away from and bad criticism from the Intel core; just take time to understand it.
@detoi4371
2 сағат бұрын
How is it bad though? It's two digits shorter and fundamentally unchanged, just reset from 15 to 2. Xx600 > X45, xx700> x65
@DragonBane299
2 сағат бұрын
Zen 5% Arrow Lake -2.85% RTX $5090 2024 PC Space is Wild.
@aleksandarlazarov9182
Сағат бұрын
New PC specs are bad, new AAA games are bad (as always), is there any reason at all to upgrade even from older hardware? I am still running an i7 7700k with GTX 1080 ti and have not yet seen problems with the games I play at least, no matter how heavy they are.
@f.9344
Сағат бұрын
Lmao, everything sucks ass. Ps5pro, amd leaving high end, nvidia going after $$$ and intel bringing lower performance. But tbh, intel looks like the most modest ones. Half the energy for the same performance is actually good.
@Mike.Muc.3.1415
Сағат бұрын
This is more than sufficient for more than 99 percent of all games and the new energy efficiency is great! PCs will be cooler and less noisy.
@-1up26
Сағат бұрын
@@aleksandarlazarov9182 I agree, have a 4080 paired with a 13600k but my 'old' system was a 6700xt with a i7 9700k and I could play everything on my 'old' sytem still..
@siveric32
Сағат бұрын
@@f.9344 zen5 was that, same perf for half the power and people called it dumb .. soo I don't know, it seems that average consumer want power hungry chips for additions 10% ... its stupid
@Josh-in9jh
3 сағат бұрын
Thanks Steve
@HaanSoIo
3 сағат бұрын
Back to you Steve
@1SaG
2 сағат бұрын
... with sunglasses!
@Isndar
3 сағат бұрын
why they didnt start with Ultra 9 190KF, Ultra 7 170K, Ultra 5 150K and Ultra 3 130K instead we get these confusing numbers for us to explain to customers.
@GamersNexus
3 сағат бұрын
Because 2 is bigger than 1, therefore better. Just wait until they invent a number bigger than 2. We're not sure what it'll be yet.
@IsurusOxyrinchus
3 сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus 4? I heard 8 is pretty big too but those may just be rumours at this stage
@vinylsprakle
3 сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexusRumors are they’re working closely with Valve to discover this alleged number that’s bigger than 2
@Hanginthere4100
3 сағат бұрын
@@Isndar said that to radeon too from RX 500 to RX 5000
@Laundry_Hamper
3 сағат бұрын
@@IsurusOxyrinchus If that trajectory continues, we'll be at 14900 again in no time!
@RadialSeeker113
2 сағат бұрын
Zen 5% vs Arrow late -2.85%. We're somehow at worse than skylake gains.
@DragonBane299
2 сағат бұрын
Don't forget Nvidia RTX $5090 😂
@jcdentonunatco
2 сағат бұрын
its not competing with the 14900k, if it was it would be called the 290k not 285k
@terrylaze6247
2 сағат бұрын
With the big loss from hyperthreading it's impressive that they didn't lose a lot more performance.
@BladeRunner-2211
2 сағат бұрын
Lol, so if you are a gamer, you are paying alot more for the new intel cpus while getting less in performance?. What a joke. The 9800x3d is the only way to go. I couldn't care less about productivity benchmarks.
@004307ec
2 сағат бұрын
Meanwhile the x925 core in D9400 has better single core integer/float perf than hx 370. 😅Maybe Qualcomm and mtk will make exciting arm chips for desktop in the future.
@ookammi
3 сағат бұрын
wouldnt be hard to get efficiency improvement vs 14th gen
@GamersNexus
3 сағат бұрын
You'd hope!
@G4RYWithaFour
3 сағат бұрын
don't you mean 13th gen, which in of itself is an efficiency patch for 12th gen?
@TWsrt-pt3ow
2 сағат бұрын
We got an engineer over here⬆
@tudalex
2 сағат бұрын
@@G4RYWithaFour I thought it was just a higher frequency / new memory controller patch
@terrylaze6247
2 сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus Well, if you test by searching for the most hardcore overclocker mobo that pushes everything to 11 by default then yeah, there will probably be next to no difference, up to the new CPU even using more power if the process is more mature and can stand more power before melting.
@SaltyMeatHook
3 сағат бұрын
Now someone can benchmark the 14th gen under-volted to compare
@apocalypta9334
31 минут бұрын
I have my 14700KF undervolted and loadline adjusted to keep max stock clocks in cinebench and max 247w. Roughy 35600 multi and 2170sh single. Temps hit max hover around 75-80 P cores and 65-70 Celsius on E cores. I cannot undervolt anymore since then booting even comes unstable. VID values hover average 1.22- 1.27v. In gaming powerdraw is roughly 50-90w, depending on topic. Temps 45-55 degrees Celsius. Arctic III 420mm AIO. I tend to play star wars outlaws, world of warcraft, CS2, Overwatch 2, Cyberpunk time to time. Paired with 4070 TI Super and playing 1440p graphic maxed out.
@Marc.Google
3 минут бұрын
This would be a cool content piece… undervolted Intel v AMD CPU benchmark comparison…
@zivzulander
3 сағат бұрын
"We're very cultured here" - I knew I was here for a reason 🧐
@leishathanthou9161
2 сағат бұрын
I wish they got rid of the core branding entirely tbh Its been more than 15 years at this point, we know its made of cores
@RayneAngelus
2 сағат бұрын
Do we, though? Do we *really*?
@volvo09
Сағат бұрын
Imagine if they never stopped using the Pentium naming? We'd be at the Pentium 24 or something by now. It would be so much easier for people to understand... Oh I have a Pentium 13? My computer is old!
Сағат бұрын
@@volvo09 I prefer my Intel 2986 DX96
@TechnoBlitz-b4j
3 сағат бұрын
Could have named it 243, 245, 247 and 249, first 2 digits for the year of release and last digit for the performance tier, but no, lets confuse the consumers more...
@neoqueto
2 сағат бұрын
Don't want a product name to start with a "2" forever but it's a good idea overall, let's just use incrementing numerals instead and the tier indicator at the end. Well, for additional SKUs let's add two digits at the end. And a more marketable overall class indicator, like 3, 5, 7, 9 at the beginning as a prefix, separated with a hyphen. Then, a letter or two to signify the category as a suffix, like "H" or "KF". And maybe instead of "Ultra" let's use something shorter, something that is reminiscent of the brand itself, so maybe the letter "i"? How does Core i7-2650K sound? I think - pretty good.
@gthakur17
2 сағат бұрын
they can add more CPU with Ti after the name. then you wont find out whether you are buying CPU or GPU
@RayneAngelus
2 сағат бұрын
Did you not get the memo?
@TheAmazingCowpig
2 сағат бұрын
Ironically enough, that's roughly (accidentally) how Intel CPUs have been, just shifted down by 10; every Intel CPU for the past 14 years have roughly lined up with the year.
@SPyoutube42069
Сағат бұрын
damn that woulda been tight ngl
@G4RYWithaFour
3 сағат бұрын
Man it really feels like intel is just re-releasing the 12900k over and over again.
@lharsay
2 сағат бұрын
The 13900K was like 40% faster than that in multi core, certainly wasn't a re-release.
@bracusforge7964
2 сағат бұрын
You're right, one didn’t fry itself like the other.
@terrylaze6247
2 сағат бұрын
The 12900k had hyperthreading...to get the same-ish level of performance with the same number of cores but without HTT is a pretty good improvement, not massive but still.
@terrylaze6247
2 сағат бұрын
@@bracusforge7964 In contrast to AMD CPUs that actually did fry themselves, resulting in exploding CPUs that steve did cover, there has not been one single report of a fried intel CPU, degraded yes but that's not fried.
@Dave-dh7rt
2 сағат бұрын
@@terrylaze6247intels issue is much bigger. AMDs issue wasnt due to a defect by AMD itself, but the motherboard manufacturer pushing way too much voltage. People say this is the reason Intel is dying but its not the only reason. Intel had contamination issues in their fabs and there is also a fatal flaw with their ring bus. Not even close since only 20 amd cpus were affected and hundreds of thousands of 13th and 14th gen chips have had to be RMA’d
@utubby3730
3 сағат бұрын
So the flagship is not going to see much "gains" (probably loses even), but at lower power. Me using a manually tuned 12900K for years: Puts wallet away.
@MaryannLynch-z9c
2 сағат бұрын
Same, 12900KF is safe. When I do replace it likely will be X3D AM5. This maybe Ultra 9 ties the 14900K at best from my understanding.
@utubby3730
2 сағат бұрын
@@MaryannLynch-z9c i was definitely open to the idea of 9000 X3D, but the non X3D has my expectations way down now. We will see I guess, all I know is its not going to be an intel purchase this gen.
@ericmann1781
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I was hoping for a nice normal speed boost this gen to finally replace my 9600K since at this point it would have been worth it to me. But with both teams doing the exact same strategy for some bizarre reason almost as is colluding, giving us nothing faster at all this gen just efficiency, I'll pass. I just got a 7900XT from the amazon prime sale to finally touch 4k on my LG c3, so I guess I'm not upgrading cpu until next gen, unless the 9800x3d surprises us all, which I doubt.
@BladeRunner-2211
2 сағат бұрын
Lol, so if you are a gamer, you are paying alot more for the new intel cpus while getting less in performance?. What a joke. The 9800x3d is the only way to go. I couldn't care less about productivity benchmarks.
@LaserVelociraptor
Сағат бұрын
Wow this sucks who should buy these
@blazetechstuff
3 сағат бұрын
That pencil is making me nervous
@GamersNexus
3 сағат бұрын
I'm not sure why, but I am hearting this to find out.
@blazetechstuff
3 сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus sticking up. A part is the whole chopsticks sticking up, incense for worship. Also a tripping hazard, probably from a final destination movie
@cl4ster17
3 сағат бұрын
I've seen a magic trick that started like that.
@AudioJerms
3 сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus I'm guessing The Dark Knight Joker's magic trick scene?
@VoltageFive.
3 сағат бұрын
Joker's pencil trick
@Monique-iz8lp
3 сағат бұрын
The disappointment tour of 2024 is gonna be a blanket at this rate
@stefani.5737
Сағат бұрын
New shirt defaults at 3XL as we couldnt fit it on the regular sizes.
@DekarNL
Сағат бұрын
9800X3D might be pretty good
@kimnice
51 минут бұрын
My 2024 has been really nice! ..oh yeah computer parts! Shitshow.. luckily I got my 4TB nvme drive just before those got 50 €/$ more exprnsive.
@drewnewby
39 минут бұрын
It's going to be a quilt, like this grab bag of chiplets.
@0M3G486
11 минут бұрын
Maybe the best of 2024 will fit in a t-shirt...
@L0rd_0f_War
2 сағат бұрын
Looks like 7800X3D will the 1080Ti of CPUs at this pace of progress from AMD and Intel.
@justinhogue9861
Сағат бұрын
May even be better, considering the volume of people being able to afford it. It led performance, topped charts, and sold best.
@remsterx
17 минут бұрын
Too bad you can’t buy one that’s not 600 usd or find it anymore.
@Marc.Google
4 минут бұрын
100%
@CBadger
3 сағат бұрын
Nice of Intel to use the wattage as their naming SKU's now.
@theemperor4040
2 сағат бұрын
well if thats the naming convention, we gonna be in the 1000s again pretty soon with the way it currently goes
How about the utter hilarity of the 'V' following the processor number on the laptop side of things? Because calling a chip "285V" is *really* that good an idea when you're known for being power hungry...
@thatboiswoy648
3 сағат бұрын
Why would Intel delete its strongest selling point out of the name? People outside of the PC enthusiast space think that "i7" is the equivalent of a good CPU. The new naming scheme is more complicated AND deletes the recognition for buyers before. So now people that just bought Intel because they always had Intel need to make some research and will probably consider AMD too.
@thatboiswoy648
3 сағат бұрын
I can not wait to buy an 295KF Ultra High 4K XD Processor (I have constant crashes because Intel did not tell me they still had voltage problems)
@MaryannLynch-z9c
2 сағат бұрын
They think Ultra 7 is better-er. Am not crazy about the new naming scheme.
@mindurbusiness-b3u
Сағат бұрын
@@thatboiswoy648 you missed the AI
@lldjslim
44 минут бұрын
Core ultra baby It works on me
@elecman748
43 минут бұрын
@@thatboiswoy648 Intel 295ULTRA HIGH HD 4K IA (it's a pentium with 1 core and 2 threads, and it melts itself)
@connoisseurofcookies2047
3 сағат бұрын
Why is it that just as you're getting comfortable with one naming scheme companies feel the need to jump over to another? Sure, the i-naming convention wasn't perfect by a longshot, but at least it was both informative and intuitive once you figured it out.
@GamersNexus
2 сағат бұрын
Gotta keep consumers confused!
@WesternHypernormalization
6 минут бұрын
"Baffle 'em with bull****!!!"
@HenrikoMagnifico
3 сағат бұрын
My i9-10900K lives another year...
@Itallcostsmoney
2 сағат бұрын
My I9 9900kf is still going strong.
@Sevastous
2 сағат бұрын
Still too early for you lad
@ivofixzone6410
2 сағат бұрын
I'm very happy with my 9900KS as well. Next CPU will be Ryzen .
@classicalextremism
2 сағат бұрын
7700k creeping along here. This is fine.
@zoeynewark9774
2 сағат бұрын
Stand proud, you're strong.
@kaimeraprime
2 сағат бұрын
Near spat my drink out with that "Thanks Steve" with the shades.
@Gnarfendorf
2 сағат бұрын
I dont know why im watching both your and HUBs coverage of a pressrelease back to back, but im enjoying every minute of it. Keep up the good work.
@RayneAngelus
2 сағат бұрын
Because the only thing better than one Tech Steve is two of them!
@abavariannormiepleb9470
2 сағат бұрын
Considering Raptor Lake Refresh was manufactured in Intel 10 nm and Arrow Lake in TSMC 3 nm while performing this close to each other (power consumption not included) something must have gone pretty wrong while designing the microarchitecture. Makes you wonder if it would have been better to port/adapt Raptor Lake to TSMC 3 nm…
@traffictraffic
2 сағат бұрын
I love that you're still using that "Thanks Steve" meme😂
@flexiblefelix
3 сағат бұрын
That ILM distribution contour chart looks exactly like my 12900KF did before the contact frames started releasing everywhere. My IHS had an hourglass shape for thermal contact, throttled at ~150W before I swapped over, then I could run it at 318W without throttling on a loop after swapping.
@electricindigoball1244
3 сағат бұрын
TL;DW just wait for the 9800X3D if you're a gamer. :P Edit: to be clear I still enjoyed learning about Arrow Lake and GN always does a good job balancing thoroughness and being concise. However since gaming is my primary use case it is hard to not be disappointed to see Intel advertising only performance parity with their previous generation especially when the 7800X3D was already faster than 14th gen at a lower power draw.
@zee-fr5kw
2 сағат бұрын
And get 10fps better in games? New CPUs are worthless
@electricindigoball1244
Сағат бұрын
@@zee-fr5kw Depends on what you're currently using. It's probably not worth it for AM4 and 12th-14th gen owners to upgrade to a new platform. But if you're on something older and are primarily gaming then the performance gains might be worth it.
@zee-fr5kw
Сағат бұрын
@@electricindigoball1244 or you could get a new GPU and a 4k monitor and have a significantly better gaming experience
@electricindigoball1244
Сағат бұрын
@@zee-fr5kw It depends on what games a given person is playing. There are CPU-heavy games where these older CPUs will struggle. Plus if you want to play at a high refresh rate the CPU is often what ends up being the bottleneck.
@M1nat0
3 сағат бұрын
Is that pencil Steve's way of telling us he's going crazy? Now we just have to wait for him to make it disappear
@GamersNexus
2 сағат бұрын
Wanna see a magic trick?
@M1nat0
Сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus I really enjoy living, so no thank you lmao
@danijelujcic8644
Сағат бұрын
@@GamersNexus Athlon XP/MP? ^^
@Decki777
3 сағат бұрын
Looks like Intel got their new naming inspiration from monitors.
@drumyogi9281
Сағат бұрын
😂😂😂
@Gamingandblaming2023
3 сағат бұрын
Rest in peace the i3s, i5s, i7s, and i9s you will be missed
@lycanthoss
3 сағат бұрын
i3/5/7/9 replaced by ultra 3/5/7/9. Wow how different!!!
@TC2290-wh5cb
3 сағат бұрын
Not really.
@cl4ster17
3 сағат бұрын
@@lycanthoss Give it some time and people will shorten it to u3/5/7/9, making it look like Intel just shifted their keyboard.
@high-captain-BaLrog
2 сағат бұрын
i9 15900k, monster hunter 7 on & on
@lycanthoss
2 сағат бұрын
@@cl4ster17 I honestly don't really care about Intel's naming scheme here. If you are an enthuasiast you should know that naming tiers don't really matter when it comes to performance. The 14900K was basically equivalent to the 13900K. The Zen 5 CPUs are barely better than previous gen. Ryzen 8000 laptops are mostly just 7x4x laptops with an NPU. All these names are just useless in a vacuum. You need actual benchmarks to know how good a CPU is. And you know what tech-illiterate people frequently use? They say they have "an i5 CPU", only for me to find out they have some old ass 3rd gen CPU. The only problem I have with this new naming scheme is the same problem I have with current CPUs - if you search for 12600 for example, it will find all the 12600Ks long before it will find the locked CPUs. I wish Intel used numbers for the iGPU and lock specifiers instead of suffixes. But I guess then the names would not be as pretty...
@hateWinVista
Сағат бұрын
20:43 (infamous "glue" statement) Ouch, that hurt. Those old slides really show the darkest side of "arrogant Intel" back when Zen just came out.
@desertfish74
50 минут бұрын
Didn’t they do it again when AMD released the X3D technique?
@psaikrisgaming5866
27 минут бұрын
The mental gymnastics Intel's marketing department tries to pull is incredible
@GrippingLine
2 сағат бұрын
The amount of PCI lanes itself is incredible. We're finally done with this ridiculous 24 PCI lane cap. I wonder if Intel will run HEDT this generation too, considering their 4677/7592 are upwards of 60 lanes. These have the same amount of lanes from Broadwell-E. No longer do we need to run 10 year old hardware to run NVME arrays, or $5,000 plus for server grade/Threadrippers, Epyc & Xeons (barely affordable 1st/2nd gen)
@tommihommi1
2 сағат бұрын
thread ripper 7000 started at ~1.5k, not 5k. But yes it's very expensive.
@potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746
24 минут бұрын
If tech companies could just get rid of their damn artificial limitations we would actually see innovation. Intel actually deserves credit here for doing this.
@Tashal
39 минут бұрын
Kind of buried the lead with Intel now supporting ECC on consumer platforms here. That's a very stark change from Intel who have been determined to segment the lineups.
@escape209
2 сағат бұрын
As a guy who started PC gaming with the AMD Athlon II X4 750K, it's interesting to see how Intel now has the wacky naming.
@66racer
2 сағат бұрын
With the loss of hyperthreading, I really just wish we had all p-cores with 10-12 cores. Then they could actually make the Xeon more mainstream and bring the E cores into the Xeon CPU for creatives needing the parallel compute power. 8 P cores just seems too low now a days.
@richardyao9012
2 сағат бұрын
If I recall correctly, the die area for 1 P core is supposed to be the die area for 4 E cores, so they really could have done 12 P cores in the same die area, but then they would not have anyway to compete with AMD on core count. That said, 12 P cores would have been making what people want, but this is Intel. They make things and then expect people to buy them anyway.
@AlexanTheMan
3 сағат бұрын
All the branding nomenclature trouble Intel could have avoided had they just kept the Pentium numbering scheme, we'd be at like Pentium 18 by now.
@volvo09
Сағат бұрын
I just commented that somewhere else! It would be so much easier for non tech people.... It would be like iPhones "iPhone 8 or higher required"
@AnodicCasserole
48 минут бұрын
Continuing the Pentium scheme by introducing the all new Intel Decaoctium
@weirdopepsidude
50 минут бұрын
The new focus on power efficiency just feels like spin to me. "We haven't figured out how to push this architecture yet so lets call it efficient."
@Sturmx
2 сағат бұрын
Seems like an actual tech improvement instead of just blasting it with a ton power now. Can't wait to see the benchmarks to see if its what they say. Hopefully the new cpu socket fixes the bending and uneven pressure.
@udai025
44 минут бұрын
I'm now convinced that all these companies sit down together and collectively decide to name their products by smacking each other's heads on their keyboards and pick whatever weird amalgamation of characters shows up.
@Coconutgl
2 сағат бұрын
Base on those details of Intel gives honestly, arrow lake is still untouchable to 7800x3d on gaming, no matter power draw or performance. I think Intel should market it as a very good cpu for working rather than gaming.
@jaturnley
Сағат бұрын
Wow, a whole 13 TOPS, they really just threw those in to say that they have an NPU for marketing. What a complete waste of die space.
@BeardedFrog
Сағат бұрын
So let me get this straight... Intel's new CPUs are going to require a new socket (aka new motherboard), to get at best on par performance, and in some cases less (probably almost always less as well since these are Intel's numbers), just to gain power efficiency (a low bar for Intel). Power usage still being higher than AMD at full usage. AMD's Zen5 was disappointing to people because they only gained some efficiency and performance uplift was fairly small. However, at least you don't need a whole new motherboard, it's still AM5. Was really actually hoping Intel would put out something good again. With their melting chips, higher cost, higher power usage, lower performance CPUs, AMD has been the only logical choice. They needed a win here... That's not because I'm rooting for either company, but because competition keeps prices low (look at the GPU market for example).
@DarkosLab
2 сағат бұрын
Intel really showing off with the RGB watermark tech. Truly the innovation we've all been waiting for.
@ArticSpy
2 сағат бұрын
Kind of weird (or smart) to compare gaming benchmarks to the 9950X instead of the 7800X3D
@Clay_333
Сағат бұрын
I am actually kind of impressed. They ditched Hyperthreading and still kept the same performance. Sure, it's not really much of an upgrade right now, but I fully expect the next couple of generations to be big upgrades. I bet Hyperthreading comes back once they figure out how to make it stable on this architecture. They also have a lot of power headroom. If they can make it scale with that power there is huge performance improvements there.
@santiniperico8627
37 минут бұрын
The 9800x3D is about to end Intel
@GiGaSzS
16 минут бұрын
Changing naming style is a great way to hide the fact that they pushed older CPUs to the point of failure :D Strangely they still are keeping a high Turbo power figure of 250W. Some companies never learn :/
@RathOX
3 сағат бұрын
Looks like sticking with my 13900KS
@jbrone1241
2 сағат бұрын
This looks like the trial version The gamer in me say wait 2 years for the trial run to end and buy the completed version when it comes out. Who knows this may be BG3 but I'm thinking it looks more like Suicide Squad atm.
@ICEMANZIDANE
2 сағат бұрын
You bought 13th gen Intel 😂😂😂😂😂
@RathOX
2 сағат бұрын
@@ICEMANZIDANE its ok to be poor.
@Dave-dh7rt
2 сағат бұрын
Rip 13 and 14 gen
@RathOX
Сағат бұрын
@@Dave-dh7rt microcode fixed it 120B
@NVMDSTEvil
28 минут бұрын
Intel: I used to be a cpu manufacturer then i took an arrow(lake) to the knee
@tchpowdog
3 сағат бұрын
I'm sure someone has pointed this out, but the slide at 1:03 shows 5% loss between the Ultra 7 265K and the 14900K -- while you stated the 5% loss was between the Ultra 9 285K vs the 14900K. I think this is an important distinction/mistake that should be addressed.
@GamersNexus
2 сағат бұрын
Thanks. I am correcting this right now and will cut the error (cuts cleanly), update the description, and add a change log so that the change is known and documented.
@concinnus
2 сағат бұрын
Good catch. So the 285K should only be down 1-2% if it's clock-bottlenecked.
@tchpowdog
2 сағат бұрын
@@concinnus according to an Intel slide on JayzTwoCents' video, it looks like Intel is claiming a +15% geomean between the Ultra 9 285K and the 14900K and +13% vs the 9950x. That's CPU compute, not gaming per say. I guess we'll see...
@ThomMurphy
Сағат бұрын
I wonder if that slide (Intel's "A Cooler and Quieter Flagship Experience" 265K slide), was an Intel mistake, typo, or if perhaps they are being intentionally misleading. That slide included a link for more details, but that URL doesn't lead to ANY 265K specific gaming performance, temperature, or power draw information. It did, however, include such information for the 285K. If it wasn't a mistake by Intel they've, so far, failed to publicly publish the relevant details. I'm also curious to see if testing for these new Intel chips reveals some advantage to higher RAM MT/s, as Intel's details show that while they kept most things as similar as possible they gave the 200 series higher MT/s RAM than the 14000 series in their testing. They used 5600MHz 28-34-34-89 vs, 6400MHz 32-39-39-102, so latency should be roughly the same, but it's still a bit strange they had what seems, on the face of it, to be an unnecessary difference.
@chaosfenix
30 минут бұрын
I think some of the biggest improvements this generation are actually in the platform. Last gen only had 20 PCIE lanes with this gen now supporting up to 48? That is a massive increase and something you would normally find on like a workstation platform. I will seriously be looking into this chip for upgrading my home server.
@ArianeQube
3 сағат бұрын
Totally gonna buy this after being burned by a 14900k that burned itself up, like for thousands of others.
@_GntlStone_
2 сағат бұрын
Why give Intel another chance to burn you? Consider AMD for better power and temps.
@RayneAngelus
2 сағат бұрын
@@_GntlStone_ I am 99% certain the OP was being sarcastic.
@Lookingformorefun
Сағат бұрын
I was waiting for him to say something like "You are wizard, Harry"
@Laundry_Hamper
2 сағат бұрын
My brain is definitely approaching a SKU criticality excursion
@Houze968
Сағат бұрын
The Picard / 4 lights joke was top tier nerd humor and I love it (huge fan of Trek)
@PcCentric
3 сағат бұрын
Don't gamers want more performance, not less power? (Or both)
@l3xforever
3 сағат бұрын
Power budgets for cpus and gpus have been growing for years, to the point where it’s just obscene, so yeah, I think everyone wants better power efficiency
@backalleybuddy6793
3 сағат бұрын
As you know, it's complicated. From the power perspective...If you make your CPU more efficient, with extra performance headroom. you can then shove more power back into it and gain greater performance. AMD's upcoming 9000X3D CPU is likely extremely more efficient given its architecture, butttt they will shove a bunch of power back into it and "hopefully" see nearly a 30% performance increase from the 7800X3D.
@Kendog
3 сағат бұрын
@@l3xforeverand that’s why I’ve rooted for AMD because of how power efficient their CPUs are while gaining good performance
@zachcunningham7607
3 сағат бұрын
id take slightly lower performance if it means im not maxing out my power outlet lol
@vishwajeetpanwar3271
3 сағат бұрын
While Gaming Performance, While Shader Compilation Efficiency
@AEP8FlyBoy
Сағат бұрын
I got a 13700K for myself in a new custom Micro Center build back last November. But been seeing issues with it crashing some of my games to desktop (alleviated by turning off XMP). Not sure if I should wait around for the 265K (presumably the 13700K equivalent) or the 9800X3D since I primarily game, but don't want to hamstring myself if I ever branch out to multi threaded stuff. Which I do on occasion. It's within warranty at least and I got that 13700K for about 260 bucks last year. I'll be keeping an eye out for how this series compares not just to 13th gen Intel but also the 9800X3D when it ships. Thanks for the coverage as always Steve and the gang. Obligatory "Back to you, Steve." 😊
@kaithong8482
2 сағат бұрын
"Gamers win when competition is fierce" Gamers will be losing for a while these names are so bad
@FrostclawPlays
Сағат бұрын
3:30 I will never understand all the people who say Gamers Nexus is dry or boring. I've been watching every upload for years and LOVE Steve and the team's humor.
@singular9
3 сағат бұрын
The 285k has half the cache of the 9950x (at 64mb). Something tells me this is gonna get slayed in gaming.
@tommihommi1
2 сағат бұрын
the 9950x has effectively 32MB of cache for gaming, because only one CCD matters.
@RayneAngelus
2 сағат бұрын
And the 9800X3D has 96!
@haeppchen1603
36 минут бұрын
One theory I read (on Reddit of all places) about the weird numbering system is that they might be doing it intentionally for their future factory overclocked CPU versions. So instead of the old 14950K, for example, that we're used to, Intel can now market the up-clocked versions as the 290K, 270K or 250K and so on. And as we all know that "bigger number better" it will look like you're getting a much better CPU than you would get, if you'd go for the meager 285K, all because it dares to have an "8" in it's number instead of the a superior "9". But that's just a theory. An Intel theory.
@NihilsticFeeling
2 сағат бұрын
people thought AMDs latest were a flop... this is the most underwhelming release by intel in a long time. i get they are trying to lay a foundation for the next gen, but between the the frying of their chips fiasco and this lame release, intel is makin amd lookin good.
@PoRRasturvaT
Сағат бұрын
$200 for 4 additional E cores. What an amazing value.
@mz1929
3 сағат бұрын
"Thanks Steve"
@LukesBlenderChannel
47 минут бұрын
That modmat is so f!cking green that I had trouble paying attention when it was on screen.
@latioseon7794
3 сағат бұрын
Zen 5% VS Arrow Flop, nice! be interesting to see how well ARL overclocks, especially on memory.
@Sevastous
3 сағат бұрын
Floppy Arrow. The names jsut keep getting better. Unlike their naming
@NotMrToast
2 сағат бұрын
Eh I’m still buying arrow lake cpu
@JamesRussoMillas
2 сағат бұрын
Arrow Lake 2.85K%
@Rattlepiece
2 сағат бұрын
@@NotMrToast Why?
@MarioMastr
2 сағат бұрын
@@JamesRussoMillas 2850%??? thats a lot of performace
@kurgo_
27 минут бұрын
I kept expecting Steve to talk about nvidia, that green mat is really eye catching lol
@Hanginthere4100
3 сағат бұрын
New intel name and AMD mobile CPU are competing who have the weirdest SKU name.
@alexaka1
2 сағат бұрын
Is this the "found the glue" of case reviews for CPU reviews?
@laifu6317
Сағат бұрын
0:16 the "S" stands for Squality
@elviejo2431
53 минут бұрын
💀
@J-Lo_
Сағат бұрын
Can't wait for Peigneur Lake to get released.
@imakuniaw
2 сағат бұрын
So let me see if I get this right: I'm paying almost 600$ for a CPU with only 8 cache-starved cores, none of which are AVX512? Sign me up (for AMD)!
@Cobinja
56 минут бұрын
The person who invented that new naming scheme has probably previously worked for a monitor manufacturer.
@DesireDeath
3 сағат бұрын
im going to give it a year to cook .... you know for historical reason's
@Sarutaru06
49 минут бұрын
Hey: Intel decided to use standard woodworking dimension shenanigans. Neat.
@Vtarngpb
3 сағат бұрын
“S” stands for Steve!
@BrandonMeyer1641
15 минут бұрын
Naming conventions aside, arrow lake really does seem like a radical redesign from intel befitting of a new naming convention. I’m honestly excited to see how the reviews pan out. There’s a lot of new stuff here for an Intel chip. On mobile arrow lake is a serious improvement.
@Stephen__White
2 сағат бұрын
Calling it now, any game or program that really likes high core/thread count is going to look like ASS on these CPUs. Also the lack of hyper threading means I'm even more so avoiding this generation. Hell I'm not touching another Intel CPU until they've had a few generations with no reports of degradation. Currently in the process of moving to AM5 just so I don't have to deal with Intel for a while. The performance also has me wondering if anyone is really gonna bother with these on mass. Let's assume for a moment that the 285K is 5% worse than the 14900K, in Starfield that is the difference between the 14900K and the 14600K. FF14 that puts it as worse than the 7600X(though AMD is ROCKING that game right now), it would only be marginally better than the 14600K in Baldur's Gate 3. Would only be marginally better in Dragon's Dogma 2. Around equal to the 5700X3D in F1 2024, and finally around equal to the 14600K in Stellaris. (GN 9700X review data) So even if it is more power efficient, that's never been a major selling point to gamers, or else AMD would be the market leader and not Intel. Moving to an entirely new socket for a performance downgrade does not sound like what people are likely to do. Even more so after all the shit with 13th and 14th Gen. I don't know about anyone else, but if I saw in benchmarks that my current CPU is on par with the new flagship, I'm not likely to make that jump, when I'm not on a flagship now. Just speculation at the moment though. I'm not optimistic though, and this sort of thing is not what Intel needs right now.
@sirius4k
2 сағат бұрын
Enhanced prediction means enhanced vulnerabilities, I predict. The prediction was eXtremely efficient.
@dota2tournamentss
2 сағат бұрын
0:26 "suggested eTail price"? :D
@bazzingabomb
2 сағат бұрын
Looking forward to them releasing the 295WTF at Christmas.
@BjornsTIR
2 сағат бұрын
To be honest, I don't hate the new naming scheme, I think the numbers going past 4 digits kinda sucked. Ultra instead of "i" is weird, though
@dominicaccardo8050
Сағат бұрын
“thanks steve” will never get old !!
@TC2290-wh5cb
3 сағат бұрын
Why do I get the overwhelming sensation Intel is losing its way.
@RayneAngelus
2 сағат бұрын
They started losing their way when Pat said AMD was "in the rearview mirror". Because they were driving the opposite direction away from the new market leader.
@natjimoEU
2 сағат бұрын
I think is actually a huge leap forward for intel.
@RayneAngelus
2 сағат бұрын
@@natjimoEU Yeah - but still backwards.
@Dave-dh7rt
2 сағат бұрын
@@RayneAngelusexactly, slower than the 14900K in multi thread and gaming while only using 60W less. Theyre fucked
@zee-fr5kw
Сағат бұрын
This is amazing, perfect for home servers
@FatheredPuma81
Сағат бұрын
Me: "Alright boys I'm ready to upgrade this generation!" AMD and Intel quickly turn in middle of heated argument and in sync yell: "NO!"
@7rich79
2 сағат бұрын
I felt there were not quite enough watermarks in the intel information. Can you check if the watermark-per-datapoint has improved since the last generation?
@Alpha___00
2 сағат бұрын
Honestly, never had problem with i numbering. With intel naming in general - yes, but i’s always made sense to me.
@NotOrjan
3 сағат бұрын
I am still calling it i9 to i3. Pure trash nomenclature
@MacGuyver85
Сағат бұрын
RIP HyperThreading, it's been a wild ride since the Pentium 4 days 22 years ago! F.
@desertfish74
46 минут бұрын
AMD still gives you SMT. 🤷
@MacGuyver85
15 минут бұрын
@@desertfish74 Of course. But this is about HT specifically.
@blar2112
2 сағат бұрын
9:05 based on their own slides, all the efficiency uplift on high load scenarios is what you expected from using TSMC nodes instead of their own and the performance shown is underwelming... very little architectural improvement....
@BlackSmokeDMax
Сағат бұрын
Above 9000 you say?!?! I'm done here, Back to you, Steve!
@kravenfoxbodies2479
2 сағат бұрын
The marketing behind selling us more Ryzen 7000 series CPU's is insane right now!
@luiseatoll6368
2 сағат бұрын
This "Ultra" better come with a 20 year warranty on account of their 14900K shenanigans.
@nitro10965
3 сағат бұрын
how many generations will it be compatible with same motherboard in this new architecture?
@desertfish74
47 минут бұрын
“Yes!”
@vampe777
Сағат бұрын
RGB watermarks are truly revolutionary! If RGB on a Fan can give you up to 100500% additional performance, RGB watermarks surely will give us over 9000%!!!
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