Dodged a bullet when I decided to buy 12th gen i7 12700f. Next CPU will be AMD even if the problems are fixed because the way this mess is being handled.
@MADCATMK3103
Ай бұрын
I went with a 12700KF wondering if I should have waited for 13700KF now I know that I should have waited for AMD but I made the second-best choice.
@ts757arse
Ай бұрын
Buy what the best is for your application. My main workstation needs performance over all = AMD. My laptop is my ultra stable, resilient and redundant machine that keeps the business going when SHTF = Intel. My inference server needs cores and chooch factor and is easily reset = AMD. My other server which needs stability and handles important data = Intel. A company I absolutely won't deal with is Nvidia after they screwed me directly and personally. But even then, I may have to get a Nvidia card for CUDA. There's a risk element to any large transaction and you should absolutely keep a company's reputation and history in mind, but not to the point when you're buying poorer quality hardware that doesn't suit your needs. That just wastes money.
@Neanderthal75
Ай бұрын
About 5 months ago, I was buying a new CPU/motherboard and after days of research of articles and charts and videos, the 12KF series proved to be the one that made the most sense, as far as performance vs. price ratio (at the time). Beside charts, in the real world there wasn't a very significant gain by paying 1.5X or 2X the price for the 13 or 14 gen CPU, I would not get 1.5X or 2X the performance with them. As Spock would say, it wouldn't be logical.
@Dajova
Ай бұрын
Same here with 12600K, still going strong. unless the next gen blow us away with performance and efficiency, i'm 100% switching to amd next pc upgrade.
@CollapseWatch
Ай бұрын
@@DajovaI got a i5 - 11400 there is no way I'm going intel again seeing all this happen
@POLARTTYRTM
Ай бұрын
Paul, please, never stop or go easy with your snarky, witty humor. It's just too good and what makes you stand out.
@MarkRose1337
Ай бұрын
It's a big reason why I watch, personally. I already know most of the stories, but Paul's hot takes are the best
@whothefoxcares
Ай бұрын
just remember to call your mother once in a while.
@markh351
Ай бұрын
Agreed, it is the best!
@mr.selfimprovement3241
Ай бұрын
Joe is a big part of that too. (Hi Joe!)
@JohnThunder
Ай бұрын
'Intel is pissing in the lake' sums up Intel's situation.
@Ou8y2k2
Ай бұрын
Is 'Intel is pissing in the lake' Arrow Lake?
@MichaelDeHaven
Ай бұрын
At this point it's like that South Park episode. *It's all pee*
@anttikangasvieri1361
Ай бұрын
Id buy pissing lake cpu
@jacobmasters438
Ай бұрын
Kaby lake for $200 Alex.
@mehck-gk9yn
Ай бұрын
Intel Piss Lake processors have been out for a while now
@Anonymous______________
Ай бұрын
Subscription services for mice? There's a special in hell for these degenerate corporate overlords.
@dsandoval9396
Ай бұрын
I'm going to college for my Security+ cert, I have quite a few instructors who have told me they absolutely believe pretty much everything (IT based) is going to move to subscription based model. Internet included. They don't like it, but they view it as inevitable. If mice subscriptions, as moronic as it sounds, sticks, it can bomb but as long as it doesn't bomb HARD, I can see company execs giving each other hand jobs considering it a successful endeavor. I wouldn't doubt seeing subscription based PC keyboards as a thing.🤢🤬
@MaldonadoANT
Ай бұрын
It's possible that companies may use subscription based models for hardware as they do already, but including Keyboards, Mice, Headsets to name a few, as more common practice. But the typical home hardware would be pretty difficult to convince people on a subscription based model when you can buy this gear for such a cheap price that lasts 5 plus years easily. The bigger problem is companies continue to push these models and us the users keep falling for these obvious traps for most. I bought my G502 7 years ago and still going strong. Although if a subscription based model included replacement mice and upgrades, that would be cool. But it would have to be affordable still which I highly doubt.
@GraveUypo
Ай бұрын
yeah, in dante's inferno that's called the fourth circle of hell and it's where all greedy people go to burn in molten gold for eternity
@hsanrb
Ай бұрын
They'll tie it in to the software you use, so if adjust DPI, want fancy light patterns, custom keybinds, charging you for it. You ok with the default 800 dpi, that you only get monocolor lighting effects, and that you don't want "How to help the bottom line" on a single key stroke... than be a free user.
@mr.selfimprovement3241
Ай бұрын
@@dsandoval9396 That makes sense, given that internet was basically a subscription at one time already - when I was your age in the late 90s you had to pay (often monthly) for your service/browser. These companies would just LOVE for us to go back to a Netscape, CompuServe, Prodigy and AOL situation all over again (just like current year-streaming platforms). 🤷♂ The population of the planet is not growing fast enough anymore, and the adoption of these resources is already near peak - so the only path to endless growth is nickle-and-diming consumers with required subscriptions to access the same services. This has the advantage of being malleable with price increases regularly to _"keep the bar going up and to the right!"_ ↗ The problem is that if we have learned anything from subscriptions... most of humanity will do without once pushed far enough. There IS a limit, and if only professionals are paying for these things - then you are back to 'square one' with your total revenue and growth. A very short-sighted approach in the grand-scheme of things. 🤦♂
@Paul_Sleeping
Ай бұрын
Speaking of August, we have less than 5 months of 2024 left. Where has the time gone...
@Ram8as
Ай бұрын
Time has gone scarly fast
@Jeffcrocodile
Ай бұрын
the same black hole that swallow the Intel market cap
@mattio79
Ай бұрын
When you were 2, a year was half your life. When you were 20, it was 5% of your life. when you get to 100, it'll be 1% of your life. time feels like it gets shorter as you go.
@Ram8as
Ай бұрын
@@mattio79 It's like we're heading for a narrow tunnel, is that what you mean?
@MichaelDeHaven
Ай бұрын
@@mattio79I heard that and it's not a bad idea. It seems pretty reasonable and fits my general experience. Except in my case around age 45 time sort of seemed to change again. It felt like it slowed down a little bit and it's basically been the same pace for a decade now. Still, it's just my experience. But I'll definitely take some more boring times. I'm tired of interesting times!
@tonyburzio4107
Ай бұрын
Y'all are missing the point. It's not only that the processor is defective, or that broken chips don't get better after the patch. Nope, their real problem will be the increasing likelihood that Intel knew in advance there was a problem and continued to sell the defective product and blame the consumer. The ability to prove to a court that Intel did a cover up means in addition to a recall they will be liable for damages and fines. Lawyers are rejoicing everywhere!
@wildwilco
Ай бұрын
@@tonyburzio4107 intel stock to drop below 10 dollar soon
@futuza
Ай бұрын
@@wildwilcohmmm the question is whether or not they'll exist in 10 years, because if so now is the perfect time to buy
@TheHangarHobbit
Ай бұрын
It is actually even worse than that as according to a MLID leak backed up by Gamers Nexus Intel knew of an oxidation defect in 2022 that was not resolved until April of 2024, that means they sold chips for 2 years they knew were defective. Legally that is called callous indifference and is reason for a judge or jury to add triple damages as this wasn't an accident that happened to slip by QA, this was knowingly selling defective merchandise.
@chevytruckjerry
Ай бұрын
@@futuzaabsolutely!!
@kathrynck
Ай бұрын
There's a market cap on the litigation though. This will bankrupt intel. They can drag it out in court, but legally they owe more than they have.
@ShimejiiGaming
Ай бұрын
Intel is certainly screwed. And there are still twitter trolls blamming GN for intels woes. Fanboys gonna fanboy for billion dollar company.
@shaneeslick
Ай бұрын
G'day @ShimejiiGaming Yeah typical Fanboi STOOPIDITY of blame everyone else, Not to mention comments that the AMD Misspelled Heatspreaders is a way worse situation 🤦♂ Memories of Comments at AMD 3000 release of "🤣LA LA LA Should have bought intel they NEVER have a problem or need BIOS UPDATE" are now... "👉😖👈LA LA LA Should have bought intel they NEVER have a problem or need BIOS UPDATE LA LA LA Should have bought intel they NEVER have a problem or need BIOS UPDATE LA LA LA Should have bought intel they NEVER have a problem or need BIOS UPDATE LA LA LA"
@syncmonism
Ай бұрын
They're having a lot of problems, but are probably not screwed. Their upcoming next gen CPUs look likely to be really good (though they will also likely be quite expensive to make and to buy), and they have a lot of promising products being made with more advanced manufacturing processes which should be very competitive. They're almost too big to fail, so the US government would likely bail them out if they had to, but that doesn't mean that they won't have to do a lot more re-structuring. I say this as someone who has usually recommended AMD over Intel CPUs. I'm not even close to being a fan boy. Intel has been handling these instability and degredation issues pretty badly, and I think that they should probably get sued over it, but I don't want to see them go completely out of business.
@snaileri
Ай бұрын
Intel will recover in a few years. They have to, because USA absolutely needs their own chip production.
@aznhomig
Ай бұрын
Good time to buy Intel while they are low. They are too big to fail. The U.S. Government won't let it.
@golkeganac4339
Ай бұрын
Have you ever considered the possibility that the issue is not as common as you're led to believe and Tech youtubers are dramatically over-reacting to this in order to farm clicks and make money? Don't you think it's odd that there are dozens and dozens of outraged youtubes posting videos with little to no data to back anything up? You just accept everything they say and question nothing?
@wildwilco
Ай бұрын
2 broken generations of CPUs... unwilling to issue a full CPU + MOBO recall, unwilling to admit fault, blaming others for their own mistake. the software/firmware update will NOT fix the issues, and it will NOT fix degraded CPUs. even more so, if the CPUs are downclocked to prevent more issues, you wont get the performance you paid for. this was my last intel CPU EVER.
@Sup_D
Ай бұрын
From what I understand, Companies don't usually mind accepting fault as Customer have a better opinion on the Company who accept their mistakes. The problem are the Millionaire/Billionaire Investors, who are the type who hates seeing companies accepting fault (especially if they are investing in them), and would immediately withdraw their support from those companies, as they believe that accepting fault is a bad image for the company.
@wildwilco
Ай бұрын
@@Sup_D and thats why intel's downfall has begun. as soon as a company listens to shareholders, before listening to the actual customers BRINGING the money, the decline will begin. corporate decisions will scare customers away. look at the combusting AMD 7800X3D. even though it was NOT AMD's fault, but the motherboard fault (this was proven), AMD still issued a total recall CPU + MOBO. they where NOT to blame, yet still fixed it for the customers. they took a relatively small initial financial hit, to regain customer faith and confidense, and it paid off. Intel is choosing to take a ''smaller'' initial financial hit, but in the long run it will cost them customers, so in the long run this will cost them possibly 1000x the amount a total recall would have cost them.
@mycosys
Ай бұрын
@@wildwilco there was no 7800X3D recall.
@Bareego
Ай бұрын
In general I've moved to lower power CPUs, limit myself to 65W, most of the bang/buck happens there, for every other bang you have to invest a lot more power. Also low power CPUs just run so quiet and stable, love it.
@wildwilco
Ай бұрын
@@mycosys my bad, it was a motherboard recall, but AMD replaced every affected 7800X3D
@okrajoe
Ай бұрын
Boeing and Intel pursuing the same disastrous strategy...
@m8x425
Ай бұрын
Boeing has been run by executives that behave & think like a rebellious teenage daughter, that wants to shack up with a bad boy, for the last 25 years. They know better than you do and they're going to do their own thing. Notice how they've moved from Seattle to Chicago to DC. Intel decided to run itself like General Motors by letting bean counters dictate what the company does and how its products are made. And here we are.
@crash6674
Ай бұрын
It's almost like it's by design
@daviddixon6408
28 күн бұрын
Bottom line men. Worry more about the money than producing a quality product. Always leads to mediocrity and bankruptcy in the end.
@bes12000
Ай бұрын
Intel sitting at $21.59 per share and dropping and has actually gone DOWN 54% in the last 5 years and AMD is like "hold my beer" with $132.68 per share, and AMD has gone UP 358% in the last 5 years. That should tell everyone something. It's crazy how AMD went from underdog to top dog with CPU's.
@justinreynolds6318
Ай бұрын
And yet Intel fanboys will still tell you that AMD CPU's are shit.
@myne00
Ай бұрын
It'll switch around eventually. AMD nearly went under last time Intel made a big comeback. Intel will be a buy at... I dunno $10/share
@haewymetal
Ай бұрын
I think Paul is unaware that 2.9 trillion were wiped out on the stock market the very same week. Meaning, every single company on earth, went down, by quite alot.
@Mordakar
Ай бұрын
I was eyeballing AMD stock during the bulldozer years about a decade ago at like $1.70 a share or thereabouts. Nearly dropped a small pile of cash, and talked myself out of it, because I don't tend to fare well when I gamble. God dammit.
@lucasrem
Ай бұрын
@@justinreynolds6318 were you found these fanboys ? why you go there ?
@planespeaking
Ай бұрын
Companies want to make everything subscription and no real ownership
@alesksander
Ай бұрын
"Sorry you have reached 12ft of daily mouse use please buy more too use it.. BUY EXTRA 12ft NOW"
@raulsaavedra709
Ай бұрын
"It seems you are trying to move the mouse too fast for your subscription plan. For gaming and other fast-moving needs, please consider one of our Premium Speeds range of subscription plans"
@csibesz07
Ай бұрын
@@alesksander"Click on this button to repair your mouse, instantly!"
@SeaJay_Oceans
Ай бұрын
Windows 11 is killing intel and increasing Apple sales...
@Aquaquake
Ай бұрын
"you will own nothing and you will be happy" - the first part of the sentence is slowly becoming true, now I'm just waiting for the second one
@pazitor
Ай бұрын
Intel's delay in getting into the GPU space has proven fatal, along with the hubris of dominating with Core2 for too long.
@Hurbie_53
Ай бұрын
I saw Intel fanboys even blame Apple for abandoning Intel, ignoring the fact, that a) in the overall numbers Apple did absolutely not represent a fatal-blow amount of Intels business and b) Intel fucked that up themselves by not keeping up their own efficiency and performance roadmap and subsequently motivating Apple to walk away and in the end pushing the ARM SOC space.
@wandameadows5736
Ай бұрын
It's not Intel, they just happened to be the first to drop. Its all getting corrected soon.
@KenjiEspresso
Ай бұрын
This.
@KenjiEspresso
Ай бұрын
@@wandameadows5736by that you mean NEVER 😂
@KeithZim
Ай бұрын
All x86 processors are based on something incredibly OLD.. Ur not wrong and Im not defending Intel but both companies are caught up in a death spiral...
@rgracon
Ай бұрын
The comparison of a forever mouse to a high-end watch is asinine. A Rolex is a one time purchase that does not need updates, and does not have a monthly subscription. Further, it’s mostly a status symbol, not a performance item that will typically not be seen by others. Just highlights how out of touch they are, and what a terrible product idea it is.
@UNSCPILOT
Ай бұрын
Rolex does require maintaining every 5 to 10 years, the oils in a mechanical watch do not last forever regardless of cost, and a skilled Watchmaker is needed to make sure it doesn't end up worse that it was before. What's worse is, Rolex is gratuitously overpriced (as are their parts), because it's actually a fairly simple tool watch who's engineering can be outclassed by much cheaper, and more mechanically impressive brands, Seiko has more interesting stuff going on, and I've seen far more mechanically interesting watches from Orient. Rolex is just a scam for rich fools, regardless of what their legacy might have been, exactly the same as what Logitec would become with that ignorant "forever mouse subscription" TL:DR; Shiz wack yo
@SanderE39
Ай бұрын
You know you have watched a lot of Pauls Hardware Tech News when your kids start singing along to the opening credits while they are just playing in the house...
@JazzTechie
Ай бұрын
The funny thing is searching for news of the layoffs on youtube pulls up results from 8 years ago when they laid off 12K employees. The last reported cause was "missed out on the mobile market".I guess they are used to shaving off > 10K employees at a time.
@Lookin4LoveInAllTheWrongPlaces
Ай бұрын
Or as their CEO phrased it. " We have a lot of wood to chop."
@Jeffcrocodile
Ай бұрын
Someone needs to force Intel to do a recall, it's just unreasonable for a company to sell know defected products and get away with it.
@MichaelDeHaven
Ай бұрын
I agree, but someone pointed out to me they probably can't really do it. They likely don't have enough proven good chips for a recall. And they certainly don't want to spend money to manufacture replacements. I'm starting to think this is all part of a plan to just push it off as long as possible. But I hope I'm wrong.
@kevincampbell989
Ай бұрын
That someone would have to be the FTC. The question is will they.
@rtyler1869
Ай бұрын
The problem is what do I do with my system as the current Mobo is useless without a CPU. I think Intel should reach out to everyone with faulting 14900 and 13900 and offer a replacement. I have one that is faulty. Was crashing Minecraft and SWTOR due the issues identified by GN.
@gungagalunga9040
Ай бұрын
Deal.with.it. if you can afford to buy a high end chip, you can afford another one!
@MichaelDeHaven
Ай бұрын
@@gungagalunga9040 Even if someone has spare funds to buy a high-end CPU, they are still entitled to get a working(as described) product. Consumer protection doesn't stop, nor should it, just because someone has more money. There's a decent chance Intel not only violated contract law, but federal trade law. But only time will tell.
@fintux
Ай бұрын
If you do business with a company that has a record of shady business practices, who has screwed over its partners and customers (and has the court rulings of those, too), what makes you think you're safe from their shady practices? That is why I have not bought Intel products for the past 10 years.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
Ай бұрын
Yep, they brought this on themselves, but unlike when AMD has been almost out of business, AMD doesn't need Intel to remain in business, so if they do continue on their path to irrelevance and ultimately being out of bankrupt, nobody is going to throw them a life line. It's been nearly 30 years since they released their first 3D accelerator chip and they don't seem to have ever gotten good enough at it for it to be a viable competitor to AMD and nvidia.
@GoonyMclinux
Ай бұрын
I stopped buying them the last time Intel did this.
@karenbelanger8621
Ай бұрын
Ryzen rules...lol
@andersjjensen
Ай бұрын
@@SmallSpoonBrigade I bought an i740 graphics card because Intel were really good with Linux drivers at that point. 7 months later it never got any more updates on neither Linux nor Windows. For me to ever consider Intel for graphics again they need to consistently deliver rock solid performance and compatibility for 5 years straight while also reporting an actual earning on the product for at least the last 2. Earnings on a product line is the absolute best "crystal ball" for future support.
@JoseLopez-tk4tq
Ай бұрын
Micro$oft, ahem, will not be ignored.
@MSMW23
Ай бұрын
Loving the idea of a mouse subscription. Soon we can look forward to subscription based speakers, power on buttons, PC chairs, power cables, CPU Coolers etc etc. The potential when snorting is unlimited!
@alesksander
Ай бұрын
Me too. "Sorry for EXTRA bass pay PREMIUM+ here"
@vensroofcat6415
Ай бұрын
200$ mouse wtf, with a monthly subscription plan wtf, so "the software doesn't stop working" wtf. Windows drivers? Rather make sure the 70..100$ mouse you sell doesn't lose gliding pads after a single year.
@mjc0961
Ай бұрын
@@alesksander Sounds like a great deal, I don't have to pay and I don't get my music ruined with 'extra' bass (AKA crushing all the other parts of the noise profile) If they wanted to make money they should do the opposite, pay for Premium+ to turn off bass boost so you can actually enjoy the music as intended.
@zuminlair92cp
Ай бұрын
you buy a song but the volume only -40dB. and it say: subscribe for more volume.
@Jkaninteangemittnamn
Ай бұрын
The mouse must be always connected to Logitech servers and when you dont pay it dies for you in a counterstirke game where you were winning - and you will the notices to pay in middle of the game also and commersials for other rented products
@TheJackal917
Ай бұрын
Intel is a second Boeing.
@x1625
Ай бұрын
Boeing's new slogan; Intel Inside
@deadli-us
Ай бұрын
At least people don’t perish when Intel screws up
@JBrinx18
Ай бұрын
Well, people aren't dying because of Intel, it's just chips and potentially careers
@edwardallenthree
Ай бұрын
@@JBrinx18The only reason this is true, and I mean the only reason, is because the stability issues don't seem to affect Xeon processors.
@worldtownfc
Ай бұрын
@@edwardallenthree I bet Intel knew Raptor Lake had limitations, so they locked down comparable Xeon CPUs' voltage and power use to prevent possible accelerated degradation. Server chips are known to be the best yields and run for performance-per-watt, so they would not be push harder than the ideal level. For regular DIYers and customers, they got binned down chips, which were pushed too hard and prone to accelerated degradation. How fast defective Raptor Lake CPUs would degrade was probably unknown to Intel?
@ShrkBiT
Ай бұрын
Dear whichever company board of directors: If you hire a CEO and she immediately starts babbling about "subscibtion models", it is outdated and broken and you should immediately file motion of distrust. It happens, no biggie, better luck with the next one! Thanks - consumers in 2024.
@meh.7539
Ай бұрын
PH: "We've made it to August" Me: Again?😮💨
@matth7621
Ай бұрын
4:39 Lawyers with their class-action suits are the only ones that ever win when customers get screwed over en masse.
@JoseLopez-tk4tq
Ай бұрын
Yep, the lawyers get millions, their "clients" mere crumbs!
@tomtomkowski7653
Ай бұрын
The correct name of the Intel CEO is Pat Gaslighter xD
@lucasrem
Ай бұрын
Gaslighting you meant ?
@tomtomkowski7653
Ай бұрын
@@lucasrem Gaslighting person is a Gaslighter xD
@Rebazar
Ай бұрын
Just bought a computer two months ago after using the same old trashheap for a decade, only to find out about this wonderful news recently. Another fun gem: my manufacturer's parts warranty is two years but starts on June 1st, and I was tricked by a sale into buying four days earlier, so now it's one year parts... looks like I'll be left holding the bag. Cool market!
@john_john_john
Ай бұрын
How does that make any sense? The ways you guys get ripped off over the pond never cease to amaze me. Where I live you get 2 years warranty at the minimum from the date of the sell by law.
@rocketraccoon1976
Ай бұрын
Downclock your PC to safe limits. It may not run as fast as you wanted, but at least it won't fry. Just pretend that your new PC is from an older, slower generation that you bought a few years ago.
@empofxeno
Ай бұрын
@@rocketraccoon1976 That would make a good slogan. Intel: Just pretend your new PC is from an older, slower generation that you bought a few years ago.
@Rebazar
Ай бұрын
Sadly it's a F chip, so I don't think I can even undervolt it (which might not even be enough to save the affected chips btw, there's a lot up in the air right now).
@covante4822
Ай бұрын
@@Rebazar The f has nothing to do with overclocking. The k means it's unlocked. The f just means no integrated graphics. You might need a Z board to undervolt too, I'm not sure if that's available on b760 or not. If it's a locked i5 like a 14400f or something that's not a real raptor lake cpu anyway, it's a 12600k in disguise and it's not clear if those are going to be affected at all yet. If it's like a 14900f though then that's a locked 14900kf. The non-k cpus use a lot less power by default, especially if you bought an oem pc like dell, hp, lenovo instead of one using a diy board from gigabyte, msi, asus, asrock which are a lot looser with the power limits. I've never heard of a warranty working like that.
@scipher99
Ай бұрын
OMG the sweaty ballsack chair killed me lol.
@socasack
Ай бұрын
made me hungry
@unrealdevop
Ай бұрын
Glad I decided to hold out on upgrading my PC for the last 2 gen drops....with the prices skyrocketing and all the problems that started popping up, I felt like it was no longer a good idea to stay on the Cutting Edge. I'm sitting here with a 12th Gen and glad I never upgraded when the 13th and 14th dropped. Btw, my next CPU....I'm going back to AMD...They simply seem to perform a lot better at Multitasking too.
contrary to popular or otherwise opinions, no one needs a new cpu every freakn year!
@SmallSpoonBrigade
Ай бұрын
Not these days, there's a small market for people that need the absolute fastest chips, but most people at this point don't need a new chip more than once every few years at this point. Even an entry level processor is enough for day to day computer work at this point.
@danilov114
Ай бұрын
Well maybe Intel wanted just that :)
@trjozsef
Ай бұрын
Intel will be happy to support you in the exchange from having a working PC to not having one.
@diamondlion47
Ай бұрын
Intel 💣Inside
@Russo2024Zir
Ай бұрын
If a publicly traded company chooses to outsource to cut cost, start with outsourcing the CEO job.
@fateunleashed9680
Ай бұрын
FYI to anyone that's not already aware. The ring bus is the issue with most of these degradation failures. The ring bus has to feed the other tiles on the CPU (memory controller tile, P-core tile, & E-core tile) the bus is acting as a voltage bottleneck, thus the minimum default provided by intel will cause over-volting based on the silicon lottery of your CPU. Some already have died that got less quality silicon, others can OC and not have issues, but this is a hardware flaw in the design. As stated by Intel any 13th gen or 14th gen CPU that's 65W or higher is affected with this issue. There are also some CPU's that are still affected by the oxidation issue, since they changed their story from none to a few. Best of luck to those affected.
@junko4166
Ай бұрын
Will a non-oxidated CPU survive if the voltage is reduced?
@mycosys
Ай бұрын
Thats not entirely correct, and the ring bus thing, while consistent with the failures, is also not confirmed.
@qwesx
Ай бұрын
@@junko4166 There *are* reports of people who undervolted and their CPU still degraded and became unstable, it possibly just took longer than usual. But afaik this hasn't been verified by "known competent"™ tech people.
@SeaJay_Oceans
Ай бұрын
So forget over clocking, keep 13th & 14th in Power Saver mode, and keep temps low ? Your gaming laptop is now a chrome tablet.
@mycosys
Ай бұрын
@@SeaJay_Oceans really dont need to go that far - just set safe voltages and power levels - you lose 2-3% performance unless you lost the silicon lottery badly. Its seriously chasing that last few percent to compete that has caused all this
@afre3398
Ай бұрын
Nah NVIDIA would NEVER take any part in anti competitor behavior, wold they🤣
@JoseLopez-tk4tq
Ай бұрын
Nor would Micro$oft of course! Sarcasm intended.
@RobAryeeArc
Ай бұрын
Within the last 2-3 years there has been an excessive amount of CEOs that state they are leading the company to do stupid thing X and/or Y... and then get slapped in the face with either boycotts, PR sh!t shows, and/or investor panic. To name a few: Hasbro (DnD) Anheuser-Busch (Bud Light) Warhammer Adobe (all your base now belong to us) Cracker Barrel (we aren't relevant statement) HP (printer and ink subscriptions) Logitech (mouse subscription)
@IMelkor42
Ай бұрын
What did bud light do?
@RobAryeeArc
Ай бұрын
@@IMelkor42 dylan mulvaney a trans social media personality had a advertizing deal which was talking about 100 days of "girlhood" and not knowing what "march madness" was. All of which don't line up with the brand and customer base. But the bigger issue is the general age of Dylan's followers is under the drinking age. Bud light is now America's #2 or #3 beer after being #1 for like ~15 years.
@IMelkor42
Ай бұрын
@@RobAryeeArc Did the CEO do that? I'm not sure what march madness has to do with it, but I'm sure that and the age of the audience weren't the issue people had with it.
@RobAryeeArc
Ай бұрын
@@IMelkor42 As people had questions and more information came to light, no the CEO did not directly have anything to do with it, but also did not take any form of responsibility after the backlash. The head of marketing was protected for months who was recorded saying they wanted to reach a new customer base... even though men make up the vast majority of beer drinkers. From a product and marketing standpoint, the outdoors, sports, and lovely looking women are all historocally important aspects to reach that demographic. The ad was the exact opposite of the brand and market demographic. And yes, most people did not convey the average age of Dylan's followers, however it just makes the whole marketing team look incompetent for trying to advertise to a non-existant custom base as well as possibly off the kid's parents.
@ParadoxalDream
Ай бұрын
Intel currently smells like Boeing... Fortunately for them a catastrophic failure of their products is less catastrophic than for Boeing.
@leekay07
Ай бұрын
I have a 13900K from launch. Not only is it impacted by oxide metal migration issue but it’s also on its last legs because it’s on the lower end of voltage and cpu clock is limited
@timmovanderput6109
Ай бұрын
a mouse subscribtion ? Louiss is gonna flip
@mikeall7012
Ай бұрын
This is worse than the FDIV bug, back in the 90s and they issued a recall for that. Crazy.
@John.Philip.Tan876
Ай бұрын
MLID saying their biggest problem was that the nobody is using their foundry services especially for 10nm. Confirmed by GN's sources telling him that their foundry personnel are mostly skeleton crews
@andersjjensen
Ай бұрын
10nm (AKA "Intel 7") is horribly expensive, doesn't yield particularly well, and has a crap EDA ruleset that makes it hard to work with. And Intel has an absolute shit-ton of capacity of it.
@auron44053
Ай бұрын
Feelin better about my 7800X3D every day
@billsider3878
Ай бұрын
Hey Paul, thanks so much for recommending an AMD processor over Intel in most of your builds. With all the Intel noise right now, I can sit back, drink my coffee, and watch Rome burn.
@BLADES246
Ай бұрын
They really went downhill after Skylake. Alder Lake was only a slight saving grace. They are still stuck with milking 10nm.
@UNSCPILOT
Ай бұрын
We laughed while they were stuck at 14nm, somehow 10nm is so much worse
@andersjjensen
Ай бұрын
If Alder Lake, being a ground-up architecture on a new node, hadn't done well, Intel would have been a smoking hole in the ground now. But it's very worrying that Alder Lake pretty much extracted everything realistically possible from 10nm. Raptor Lake is making almost no money because the dies are bigger from the increased cache sizes, and it is cooking itself from the, rather marginal, clock bump. Meanwhile "the first wave" of Arrow Lake is on TSMC 3nm because Intel's own isn't ready....
@stevenpike7857
Ай бұрын
And the jobs being cut, won't be the people at the top, like the CEO who is responsible for their mess. No, of course the lowly employee will suffer for their negligence and greed.
@Bareego
Ай бұрын
Another way MS shot intel in the foot is that hardware requirements for Win11. There are now SO MANY ex-business PCs out there that don't make the win11 cut but are perfectly powerful. The local prices keep going down and down. Why buy a new computer when you can pick up a decent somewhat older one for $50 for a 6th gen machine. For $70 even with monitor, mouse and keyboard.
@Yuriel1981
Ай бұрын
How do I get a limited edition R9 9700x? Lol those misprints gonna be worth some money's if they ever see the wild!
@Martin52863
Ай бұрын
Regarding Newegg and any other company that offers trade ins. I find it bizarre that a percentage of the public think they’re ripping people off for not offering the same as what you can potentially get for an item if you sell it yourself. They have overheads. They also have profits to make. There is also a thing called current market value and they have to base their buy in price of those factors. Of course they’re not going to give you what you can sell it yourself for but that doesn’t mean they’re ripping you off.
@Bob_Smith19
Ай бұрын
It’s the same thing as trading your car in at a dealer. You will always get more if you sell it privately. But it’s not nearly as convenient.
@tbone-d2v
Ай бұрын
Its like trading in your car. Quicker, easier to trade in, but a little less money. More work to sell privately, but potentially a bit more money in the end.
@tbone-d2v
Ай бұрын
@@Bob_Smith19ha you beat me to it
@theglowcloud2215
Ай бұрын
Just remember: AMD is kicking Intel's ass with a third the workforce (~120,000 Intel employees vs. ~40,000 AMD employees). Maybe 200 project managers can fix the silicon degradation.
@typingmonkey8749
Ай бұрын
Not really an apples to apples comparison. Intel also has to staff its fabs whereas AMD does not.
@theglowcloud2215
Ай бұрын
@@typingmonkey8749 80,000 additional people work in fabs? Intel is notorious for organizational bloat, and suddenly it's a crisis, now that they've gotten untold billions in grants and tax breaks from the Biden admin, with nothing to show for it except mass layoffs.
@matthewconnor5483
Ай бұрын
AMD relies on TSMC to actually make the chips while Intel is making their chips so the employee count is not an accurate picture.
@NatesHomeTours
Ай бұрын
The fact that the new Ryzen CPU's will be cheaper that current is the best news yet. That means the price drop on current Ryzen CPU's will be even greater that it normally would have been. I was going to upgrade to from my Ryzen 3rd gen but now I'll wait and get the 7900x after the big price drop instead, I can then get the new one a few years down the road.
@RobloxianX
Ай бұрын
Intel should just not release a new generation of CPUs, and go back to the drawing board and begin developing something new from scratch.
@tonylawlor8833
Ай бұрын
Worse, they are still selling these CPU's.
@vanCaldenborgh
Ай бұрын
"The computer says Nooo." (Little Brittain)
@Garth2011
Ай бұрын
Don't waste your time with that class action ploy. The only winners in most class action lawsuits are the lawyers and the court. The defendants usually get hit with a huge monetary settlement but by the time the court and plaintiff attorneys take out their fees and expenses then, whats left over is divided up between the number of the "class", the compensation is VERY little. In addition, it will be a good 2 to 3 years before the matter gets done. These parts have a 3 year warranty so, that should be plenty of time to know if you have a CPU issue. Likely, Intel isn't going to exchange another bad CPU but we don't know yet. Honestly, there not much performance improvements in CPU's since the gen 11 other than DDR5 system memory.
@mehck-gk9yn
Ай бұрын
10:00 until Intel makes things right with the consumer, please do not try to sell us more of their products. Thank you.
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns
Ай бұрын
Mirco Center has been nice enough to accept Returns on the 13 and 14th gen processors even though it been way past the 30 day return period. Mirco Center is cool.
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns
Ай бұрын
I would more than happy to get an AMD build form them
@Revan_7even
Ай бұрын
Literally just helped a guy on Reddit last night who was on a year old Asus motherboard BIOS with a 14900K and was getting BSOD and memory errors on desktop and web browsing.
@dwu9369
Ай бұрын
Intel will soon be a penny stock like AMD was before 2016. Intel will survive but they need to get rid of their CEO. The company got corporate welfare from the chips act and still manages to cluck up. CEO has no vision whatsoever.
@SeaJay_Oceans
Ай бұрын
Snapdragon & Nvidia are eating intel's breakfast, AMD are eating intels lunch.
@andersjjensen
Ай бұрын
@@SeaJay_Oceans Snapdragon isn't selling to anyone who isn't a nerd who just wants to play with it. Meanwhile AMD has completely eathen Intel's dinner in the datacenter. Intel reported 1.5% profit margin in data venter CPUs. The company I work for is standing in line for 40 Epyc blades that will arrive in 7-9 months. The equivalent 60-ish Xeon blades will cost us twice as much over the life time of the product because we pay both for rack volume and electricity. But we could get them in 2-3 weeks if we wanted. And worse for Intel: AMD has broken into their laptop "lunch", which is their last bastion of actual profit, and is showing absolutely no signs of slowing down. Nvidia invented their own market with AI, and while Intel is standing out in the dark, looking at everyone party, AMD is miraculously making a splash here as well. From what I hear the lead times on MI300X is just as stupid as it is on Epyc, and some companies are working on models so large that the 192GB of VRAM of the Mi300X is the only thing that will suffice. Unless Nvidia matches that with their next product line, for some companies AMD will win by default, despite being harder to work with on the software side (though that is improving rapidly).
@tbone8839
Ай бұрын
This dork tech youtuber never gets credit for having the funniest jokes
@stevenbigham3385
Ай бұрын
Huge thanks to this channel. Built a PC in 2020. Paul suggested AMD over Intel, and it's advice that's aging like wine.
@CoolWatchesOnly
Ай бұрын
I diald down my 13900k to intel baseline to see if it holds up, but I don't like this uncertainty, it seems my next one will be team red,...
@wildwilco
Ай бұрын
@@CoolWatchesOnly I had to do a reasonable undervolting on my 13700k to keep temps reasonable, some games still crash without error, sometimes the GPU gets f'ed while unpacking shaders by the CPU. Cpu is a month old, store won't accept a return. All they want to do is try to fix it themselves. I tried to fix it for the past month.
@CoolWatchesOnly
Ай бұрын
@@wildwilco Sorry to hear that, that's fukd up man. I don't follow all that undervolt stuff and super specific numbers, but have you tried limiting the power instead? Just leave everything on auto except the power limits. Disable Asus Core Enhance, or whatever it's called on your board, and set the internal CPU power to Intel's baseline. There's no way you cooked that CPU in a month, I've been pushing mine to 98-100C for hours doing V-Ray renders for 2 years. I learned the hard way with the 12th gen i9, so I set up my 13th gen right from the start: 360 aio, contact frame, and disabled all that Asus crap, extreme this and enhance that nope all off. No 1 glitch so far. I just changed another thing yesterday, the the long turbo boost power limit was on auto and sending the CPU to 240w when it should be 188w. Made that change and on the same render I dropped temps by 12c and it was only 3 seconds slower. Idk if it's the boards or intel not speaking clearly to asus or what but that's crazy, how something that should be 188 from the start, in auto is sending 240 watts!!
@wildwilco
Ай бұрын
@@CoolWatchesOnly I've done all the recommended stuff. Limiting power, updated bios and everything else. Disabled those auto boost crap. Whenever an E core would do light work, like opening chrome, it would instantaneously spike to 100C. Because it's using the default voltage from the P core. I undervolted the entire rail, that's the only way to controll temps (I checked contact for the cpu, even installed the thermal grizzly contact frame with kryonaut paste) Now I disabled xmp completely to keep the system to a somewhat stable level. I lost alot of performance, and I lost alot of confidence it will stay stable-ish as I have allready encountered the next BSOD after a couple days of stability. Couple games occasionally crash aswell just like the crashes described by GN.
@danilov114
Ай бұрын
Well I would urge you to check your BIOS with care to remove enchantements and enforce reduced power limits maybe even go after MHZ and voltages... I for one had to dig BIOS a lot as it refuced to enfore limits as my MOBO had some lovely hiden enchantements and found my high end cooler a damn good excuse to push extra 150W over the limit..
@wildwilco
Ай бұрын
@@danilov114 those software settings will not fix the issue. The issue is a hardware design flaw. All we are doing is downclocking the cpu, we paid for performance, and we are getting crap in return.
@oxylepy2
Ай бұрын
Back in 2015 my choice boiled down to CPU wattage. Now it's just one of the brands is completely off the anticonsumer deep end
@StarrDust0
Ай бұрын
I recall in the early days Paul was a straight talker and fairly boring tbh...but I'm glad he discovered his humorous side...it makes his vids so much more entertaining. :)
@patricklee8552
Ай бұрын
been through class action lawsuits, the lawyers get all the money better to just sue them yourself. Had mortgage problem with Wells Fargo, they were over taking the sum of $2000 on me, went with the class action and got 53 cents out of it. I wish I could have waited for the 9000 series with 5Gen architecture but really needed to upgrade my core components last year. I pick the best performance CPU which at the time was the new R9 7950X and now I think that, wow, I almost got stuck with an Intel.
@drzoidbergmd3200
Ай бұрын
Even though I'm not in the market for any pc stuff and i dont really play many games anymore. This is still a series i really look forward to. The script is always so well written. And Paul just seems like a nice bloke that you'd like to chat to over a pint
@paulshardware
Ай бұрын
I very much appreciate that dr zoidberg, cheers 🍻
@drzoidbergmd3200
Ай бұрын
@@paulshardware 🍻
@SeaJay_Oceans
Ай бұрын
STEAM Client changes and Windows 11 shenanigans finally put me off using PCs for anything. Microsoft has finally killed Windows with 11s spy telemetry & requiring an MS account to install it.
@Bolton19
Ай бұрын
My i9 13900k is recently all of a sudden making every program crash frequently. Hoping to get a replacement right now but Intel's customer suupport is so bad it's crazy to navigate their site. It's as if they wanted to make it as painful as humanly possible to use your warranty. I identified the problem being a damaged core by using a software called Lasso, after googling a bit it seems that the main problem of 13 and 14th gen intel processors draw too much power causing them to become defective within a couple years.
@576turky
Ай бұрын
who doesn't want a subscription based mouse ? we all gonna love it
@CR055FIRE
Ай бұрын
automated mouse shut-off please insert EBT card
@Mo_Klonus
Ай бұрын
If Intel knew of the via/corrosion issue 2 years ago, and the issue is just now getting wide(r)spread coverage, why would I want to buy a Lunar Lake CPU now instead of waiting 2+ years to see if the issue doesn't affect them as well? 13th gen had the issue and was "fixed", but yet the 14th gen is having similar issues, why is there an assumption that 15th gen (Lunar Lake) is fixed? The only way out of this for Intel is to launch Lunar Lake with at least a 5 year warranty (boxed and tray) minimum. Warranty extensions on 13th and 14th gen cpus (boxed and tray), with no questions asked. They have plenty of capability to manufacture 13th and 14th gen cpus, as well as new 15th gen since some parts of them are outsourced. Worst case is new 15th gen cpu and compensation percentage towards a new motherboard since they like changing cpu sockets. They need to get a solution out fast that will gain support back in their favor, or they will be eaten alive by new ARM offerings. Competition is great for lower prices, but if the product is not backed by the company, there will be no need for competition.
@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section
Ай бұрын
I'm cheering that AMD postponed their CPU launch due to "unspecified quality issues". What a great move! On the one hand, they are telling their customers: We're not like Intel. We prefer to ship working products and test them beforehand. On the other hand, it seems reasonable to assume that the unspecified quality problems are not with them, but with Intel :-) It could be that AMD has seen that Intel is trying to unfairly fudge the benchmarks and is now giving them a real run for their money.
@andersjjensen
Ай бұрын
Zen 2 launch batch had a high number of CPUs there were 25-50MHz off advertised boost, and AMD caught some principle flak over that. AMD may very well have gone "People are currently level 100 paranoid. We can't get away with an RMA rate of 0.1%. It has to be lower than 0.05% for this launch cycle to not be seen negatively, despite it would have been a success in normal times."
@victorthecarguy3126
Ай бұрын
When you say the same price as 30 years ago, how much has been paid in dividends and how many times has it split?
@nontoxic9960
Ай бұрын
When my intel VID was 1.4v out of the box in bios I quickly lowered that down to 1.250v and locked the cores to the same speed. Its insane how it took this long for information to come from this.
@johns.8961
Ай бұрын
Yep, I installed a 13700k (replaced my 12700) in my MSI Z690 back in 2022. The first thing I did was lower the voltage and wattage in the BIOS. I didn't even lock the cores. I'm running the same 13700k now with no issues and this system is on 12 - 16 hours a day pretty much every day. Never had any issues with Tekken 8 either. I'm typing this response on the system it's installed in.
@Artista_Frustrado
Ай бұрын
Crowdstrike proving once again that true incompetence can't be imitated by intentional badness ... Intel & Logi's CEO sure are trying to
@Max_Flashheart
Ай бұрын
Hey Intel how do you spell Class Action?
@mycosys
Ай бұрын
i believe its 'only lawyers win'
@Max_Flashheart
Ай бұрын
@@mycosys Facts
@CookyMonzta
Ай бұрын
So long as Intel and their CPUs can't be trusted, if I were the retailers, not only would I refuse to carry their 13th- and 14th-gen CPUs, but unless 11th- and 12th-gen CPUs can fit in today's motherboard sockets, I would not stock up on Intel boards. My store's cage would be full of AMD CPUs and boards, and Intel boards based on CPUs that are _not_ half-bricked on arrival! ⚠️
@Wes-xk6hl
Ай бұрын
I can't describe how much I want these companies to all have this happen to them because of their jumping into an unsustainable "ai" bubble
@captainthunderbolt7541
Ай бұрын
Friends don't let friends buy Intel!
@burakozc3079
Ай бұрын
Intel lavalake, popcorncore.
@paulanomoly7977
Ай бұрын
I decided to never buy Intel back in the 386 days when they would burn out the co-processor on purpose just to sell the very same CPU as an SX instead of a DX. I knew then Intel was engaging in shady business practices.
@WSBverse
Ай бұрын
We refuse your message and double down. Intel is a great company that never makes mistakes! (oh god I'm so fucked)
@Golf2Quick0
Ай бұрын
That monologue raw dogging of Pat Gelsinger was superb. Well done.
@buggaboo333
Ай бұрын
I've never considered AMD CPUs. Looks like that will change on my next buy.
@iLegionaire3755
Ай бұрын
You won't regret switching to AMD in 2024.
@billb426
Ай бұрын
I didn't build my first computer until 2018. When I did, the mouse I used was an old Microsoft Intellimouse 2.0 that my wife had laying around the house. She is confused why I like that big clunky thing, but it was the mouse I used at work for 8 years. It wasn't until this year I changed out that mouse, but that was because I got a free mouse from Newegg when I bought a monitor. I look forward to bringing out the old Intellimouse when my Gigabyte mouse fails me in a couple of years.
@johnmcnaughton9308
Ай бұрын
Steve form GN: Oxidation & Excessive Voltage Paul: they are f**ked
@Hierarchangel
Ай бұрын
Subscription mouse that costs a fortune and has monthly payments? How do idiots rise to the top of companies?
@OldRedeyeJedi
Ай бұрын
I feel like micro voltage spikes are the issue. Things like hwinfo can't detect, u need equipment. Actually overclocking has a good vid showing those micro spikes. Set a limit stay within it
@Sup_D
Ай бұрын
Is this why only the K series were apparently affected, with no news on non-K series being affected? (since non-K can't be overclocked)
@Rebazar
Ай бұрын
Supposedly some non-K models are affected too. Anything that operates over 64W
@fateunleashed9680
Ай бұрын
Nope its the ring bus that sends voltage to the other tiles. Also, all CPU's that are 65W and up are affected according to Intel.
@mycosys
Ай бұрын
@@fateunleashed9680 the ring bus handles data, not voltage. Its more likely high VID demands by the P cores are damaging the ring bus.
@mattzun6779
Ай бұрын
Why do tech sites say that the 9000 series have aggressive prices? Is it just because AMD MSRPs are usually insane and street prices drop in a month? These prices are slightly higher than what would be justified by the expected performance gain over the 7000 series. This is exactly what a rational company would do if it wants to clear out old stock but isn't desperate to do so. No sane person is going to spend 399 on a 9700x - The 7800x3d is probably slightly faster in games is currently available for 385 (it was 350) - The 15 percent slower 7700x is 285 dollars and there is probably no noticeable difference in 1440p/High or 4K/High gaming. I'm actually surprised at the high price of the 9600x - you could pick up a 7700x for the same price.
@twiggsherman3641
Ай бұрын
Soon as AMD gained market share with Ryzen, they tried to increase CPU prices. It was Intel that forced them back down. We don't want a world with a single dominant player, unless we like how Jensen's jacket looks.
@krugec23
Ай бұрын
AMD makes great cpus,but its value is pure AI hype. They rely on Taiwan to make their products, if war breaks out theyre out of business over night.
@Simon_Denmark
Ай бұрын
@@krugec23Intel’s new CPU architectures will be TSMC N3 and N3B though? ”Pure AI hype”, well as much as Intel.
@MrSanbonsakura
Ай бұрын
Intel still charging 100$ more than AMD not AMD fault. Intel is not coming with anything until mid 2026 at best.
@joeykeilholz925
Ай бұрын
It's ray traced
@kadlifal
Ай бұрын
@@Simon_Denmark Doesnt change the fact that they have fabs in america lol, taiwan has been carefully building its value, they havent shared the 3nm tech with anyone in the worst case of geopolitics, Intel will still have fabs, AMD? doesn't not fanboying, it's a simple fact as thats what krugec23 meant😶
@Skyvernius
Ай бұрын
I've been wondering how long it'll be or what it'll take for the FCC to force Intel into giving a recall for a defective product
@daviddesrosiers1946
Ай бұрын
That's where I'm at. Sitting on a potential $600 14900K disaster. I have no idea and I'm really freaked out about it.
@lucasrem
Ай бұрын
daviddesrosiers1946 Who build the system, any issues ? why you cry disaster, what issues you have ?
@Qs_Internet_Cafe
Ай бұрын
@@lucasrem " why you cry disaster ?" - Bruh
@daviddesrosiers1946
Ай бұрын
@@lucasrem I built the system myself and had several issues before the PL1/PL2 and current limit profile problems were found. I'm currently running latest BIOS with my processor locked down stock, no tuning, no overclocks. I don't currently have any issues, but that's no guarantee I won't later. Meanwhile, I have an unlocked CPU I don't dare tune at all while I wait for microcode which may or may not fix the over arching problems and it still doesn't tell me if I have a CPU that may die later. It's a very aggravating position to be in. I finally build my "wildest dreams" PC with no expense spared, and get handed this bucket of doubt about the CPU I spared no expense on.
@Gregorius421
Ай бұрын
@@daviddesrosiers1946 microcode won't fix the design flaw, but might extend the time until the cpu fails, possibly until your next purchase and certainly until the warranty ends. resale value will be zero though.
@Masterfeedbackprod
Ай бұрын
If you were building a dream pc no expense spaired, why did you go intel? forget the current problems with their cpus its an end of line system! amd am5 is a drop in cpu upgrade for the next few years at least , Heck am4 is still getting refreshed cpus 7 years later
@kashem425
Ай бұрын
It's only been 3 years since they brought back Pat Gelsinger as CEO... This feels like fallout from back then.
@cars291
Ай бұрын
Dear Brand Messenger, what exactly is an 'aggressive black design' on a fan? Will it hide in darkness to snap at my fingers when I try to adjust those pesky little Rgb connectors?
@SeaJay_Oceans
Ай бұрын
Razor sharp Dark metal blades... cool your PC or use 'aggressive fans' to chop veggies in the kitchen !
@cars291
Ай бұрын
@@SeaJay_Oceans the Cyber Truck of fans 👍
@irkalla100
Ай бұрын
They bought almost a whole town in Ohio, miles of farmland gone, all to build their data centers and completely uproot generations, while disrupting all day to day operations since all these farm roads need remade from scratch along with utilities. Now you telling me they are laying off people... from the team they will rehire?!
@operator8014
Ай бұрын
Just a PSA about getting roped into a class action lawsuit, you recieve nothing of value and waive your right to any form of compensation or support. Never take part in a class action lawsuit unless you're the primary or the legal representative.
@randolphblack2554
Ай бұрын
I disagree with that. I received compensation for my AMD FX8350, which is still functioning in my son's Linux PC. I have owned pre-built PCs with an Intel CPU.
@Daniel_Kani
Ай бұрын
My 14th gen intel randomly crashes and freezes (14700k) and I can't find the problem... Is this perhaps it? Dunno what to look for.
@DaPoets
Ай бұрын
I like Turtles
@eric.is.online
Ай бұрын
🐢🐢🐢🐢 🐀
@Great_White_Great_White
Ай бұрын
I'm sure Mitch McConnel likes you, too.
@lahmyaj
Ай бұрын
11:12 - Concerning the graphic about trade-in of Intel processors being accepted, this is worrying me that 12th gen Intel processors are affected by the same issue as 13th and 14th are - should I worry or is the inclusion of ‘12th’ here related to something else? Because it makes me feel like there must be something else wrong with them, ‘but don’t worry, we’ll still accept them!’ type thing. I’m currently considering the purchase of a QNAP NAS that features Intel 12th gen processor is why I’m worried.
@toroah
Ай бұрын
I'm worried my INTEL CPU is gonna burn out my whole system. After 8 years of a 7th gen CPU i updated my pc with a 14700k and 4070 super ti, i use my comp for work and i can't afford to change the system... As someone who lives paycheck to paycheck i'm only one of maybe thousands who are also crossing their fingers hoping our CPUs never burnout.
@danilov114
Ай бұрын
Well then best advice is to update BIOS>> go into BIOS and remove all enchantments and force it into lowest power mode your board has>> undervolting, lower temp limits or disabling some cores may be a good temporary move to take a lot of load off but need some knowhow and depend on board>>> check with HW monitor or other app so that power limits and voltages are enforced>> wait for microcode/BIOS in a month... After set it so it gives just enough for your needs and hope you are lucky on silicone. Good luck mate.
@SolarScion
Ай бұрын
@@danilov114 I would add to this that reported voltage from sensors with the operating system booted is generally not accurate at all. Check the voltage in the UEFI/BIOS; it's still not as good as testing it with a multimeter, but I was another buyer affected by the overvolting scandal by multiple board makers for Ryzen chipsets, and sure enough, there was a significant fractional difference in the reported voltage in UEFI vs. sensor reading in HWInfo64.
@toroah
Ай бұрын
@@danilov114 on another video i commented i got recommendation to buy a 12th gen since they're relatively cheap. i'm planning on going this weekend to micro center and doing that.
@danilov114
Ай бұрын
@@toroah it is an option if you happen to find a good deal and saves you troubles and a headache...
@savagej4y241
Ай бұрын
@@toroah I've read about educational programs doing that too; their technician finds out their new 14th gen i7-14700K or i9-14900K CPU's are already encountering technical issues that make them practically unusable, so they "downgrade" to using i7-12700K CPU's instead and that resolved the issue. Don't know about your local Micro Center but at mine they go for $190 now.
@Lenticular67
Ай бұрын
Excellent intro, Joe and Paul!
@Demonoid1990
Ай бұрын
I don't think the employee cut at Intel is exactly a bad thing. They have more than double the employees of AMD and Nvidia combined. Time to slim down and shed some excess weight, so to say. AMD may also be cutting back prices of Ryzen 9000 in anticipation of Intel 15th Gen. If the leaks are anything to go off of, Arrow lake "may" be Intel's best CPU yet, with a significant jump in performance and efficiency. I'm certainly excited for the Q3/Q4 launch cycle. We could be seeing some significant jumps in performance and efficiency for CPU's and GPU's this time around. Maybe these fire breathing energy hungry system of today will be a thing of the past, one can hope. I certainly want air cooling to be more relevant again.
@kuyache2
Ай бұрын
Thank you 9000 series, its time to buy 7000 series Ryzen now that they will be massively discounted!
@michelians1148
Ай бұрын
A recall of 13th AND 14th gen CPUs would be the end.
@Jkaninteangemittnamn
Ай бұрын
maybe - they could trade a failfree cpu against the faulty ones but i guess those in the high end would still be without a highend - Guess its would come to a low clocked I7 as a trade
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns
Ай бұрын
If they did a recall. I would be happy and might Save Intel in the future
@kunka592
Ай бұрын
Nah, they are like the American car companies. The government will just bail them out.
@donnieweston3249
Ай бұрын
I already have a forever mouse, the original Microsoft Laser mouse, still in my parts box, still works great.
@OmegaPhattyAcid
Ай бұрын
I'm seriously concerned about Intel as a market competitor
@flamingscar5263
Ай бұрын
They'll clap back, let's not forget that AMD was expected to go bankrupt in 2012, and couple years later hit us with Ryzen and clapped back, hard, Intel will as well, might take some time, but they'll make it back
@MrSanbonsakura
Ай бұрын
No worries your 1000$ in 1997 still safe and still 1000$ ... ))
@junko4166
Ай бұрын
Corpos nowadays are way too big to fail (un)fortunately. They'll bounce back.
@justiful9215
Ай бұрын
Anyone who purchased a 13th/14th gen chip should be allowed to use their 13th/14th gen chip for up to 50% off a future Intel chip, up to 50% of the value of the MSRP of that chip. If used within the next 5 years as a coupon. So, a 14900k original MSRP was ~$690. That means if you send it in 5 years from now, you could get $345 off a processor that costs $690 or more. Or 50% off any processor that costs less than $690. Provided you are the original owner of a prebuilt or consumer packaged CPU. RMA would still be possible. Nothing would change with RMA and the 5-year warranty. This would be the most cost-effective solution for intel. It would create a long-term liability, but that is a lot better than a short-term liability. It would also encourager sales of the 13th and 14th gen chips, as worst-case scenario consumers can choose to either get a replacement chip or use the chip as a coupon in the future. For most users the chips won't fail within the first 3 years. That is just pure fact. Those users get a free 50% off their next chip. Intel wins/consumer wins. No downsides. Intel can clear their stock of old chips, and still make some money off them vs a recall. Consumers can buy a product they know won't last but will almost always come out ahead and worst-case break even.
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