this guy talking about things left to do while 80+ years old, what a freaking hero
@MrWhooy
11 жыл бұрын
Starts at 14:50
@LendallPitts
5 жыл бұрын
A fascinating talk by the world's greatest living psychologist. Kernberg's approach, Transference Focused Psychotherapy, traces its lineage to Object Relations Therapy and Melanie Klein, then bi-passes Ego Psychology (the least spiritual form of psychology in my opinion) and goes straight back to Freud. As a Lacanian Freudian I believe that Freud's discussion of the Todestrieb in Jenseits das Lustprinzips is one of the most succinct and brilliant passages in the entire literature of psychology, but I nevertheless appreciate Dr. Kernberg's attempt to interpret it in light of contemporary schools and trends Kernberg, by the way, says that he is "a closet cognitive behavior therapist," which I find quite amusing.
@recipehacker9752
2 жыл бұрын
That is amusing, indeed. I wonder what prompted him to say that?
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
1:13:00 amygdala, neuro biology questions. Cortical steroids and atrophy. Question. Hypetarousal disassociative states. A. Affect storms. Approaches. Negative attitudes with sexual repression. Firm decision for patients by therapist. Unrealistic fear, relationship ethics. Use of fear in the therapist. Limbic/prefrontal cortex not understood in analysis. Violent repetition and later learned experience. Neurobiology affect. Neuro Transmitters.
@imogensharma
4 ай бұрын
Strengthening the cortical functions of cluster B people must be done along with somatic therapies - or the patient will get worse. Speaking from experience. The field must stress the importance of this or you are just making people worse and it feels like planned obsolescence. My own self work has been far more useful than any therapist or psychiatrists I have seen, and these types of discussion have been pivotal. Thank you for sharing!
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
55:00 structures. Psychic Structure. Good exposition of Freuds famous Ego Superego.
@anchy0301
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best speeches on KZitem!
@basscataz
13 жыл бұрын
i love it! spread the word! watch carefully & share @ 44:23 !
@skimmilkm
2 жыл бұрын
Viscerally disturbing
@cofiking23
11 жыл бұрын
the first guy who asked the question clearly didn't understand a word of what was being said here. Such a dumb inappropriate question. This topic is a new step stone towards understand complex self destructive behavior.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
1:24:00. Q:. Death drive. Secondary phenomenon. Self destructive behaviour. Struggling to have a self and identity. Objects seemingly enemies to be destroyed. A: bad self to salvage a good self. Self destructiveness. Suicidal and severe depression. Malignant narcissism, no integrated good self. Self psychology value, self objects and introspection. Aggression is the decomposition of the self. Linkage to sadomasochisticm. Rather deconstructed grandiose self. Primitive idealised and persecutory relationships.
@kirstinstrand6292
8 ай бұрын
In my personal self analysis, I never needed to confront a death instinct. I doubt that neurotics have this drive. I've never studied it, no need - it did not fit. Is it reality-based 🤔 Psychoanslysis is not for everyone. Many are too damaged, in my view of society.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
1:00:00 paranoid and self destructive transfer with therapist of representation and affects.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
1:07:00 Barriers to remaining and falling on love. Extension of aggressive drive as death drive. Group psychology, idealisation of a political figure. Answer. Affects and drive. Instinct,. Bergen and Wilson. Inborn perception mechanism triggered by environment. Instinctive disposition. Unconscious meanings. With object relationship. Hyperactive amygdala.
@kirstinstrand6292
8 ай бұрын
That sounds like Laconian nonsensical understanding.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
41:00 malignant narcissism destructive tendencies ambivalent loved object drawn into ego. Melanie Klein. Ideal and paranoid.
@nicolej8502
4 жыл бұрын
Self-destructive behavior is not innate or natural, it’s a result of inabilities to free oneself from stress.. I have seen this in animals, and it’s the only time animals engage in self-mutilation, besides a OCD issue
@Vib.H
2 жыл бұрын
So relatively short, but very good, it can be done / said!
@sergiosatelite467
Жыл бұрын
Just drop drives.
@LunaLu-00
6 жыл бұрын
"..but we do find self-destructive suicidal behaviors also in patients who are not depressed but have severe narcissistic personalities where sense of defeat, failure, humiliation, in essence the loss of their grandiosity, bring about not only feelings of extremely devastating shameful defeat and inferiority but a compensatory sense of triumph over reality by taking their own life thus demonstrating to themselves and to the world they are not afraid of pain and death; to the contrary, death emerges as an even elegant abandonment of depreciated worthless world."
@kirstinstrand6292
8 ай бұрын
If they don't off themselves, they most likely will experience a narcissist collapse in old age.
@jac585
3 ай бұрын
How about addressing the thing that made the him afraid in first place so you Don t have to feel like you are dying just to overcome it to impresses you and others. Like fix the world not the patent or get out the way stop drugging people trying to fix your world so others Don t have to slay your our ancesters dragons for them.
@jac585
3 ай бұрын
@@kirstinstrand6292or they saw a much better way of living you all are blind to and you are seen as enjoying the things that make others suffer with your god Rome and capitalist heart. Your heart tells you no thats not it sir. Then I ask you how many out of 10 people suffer from a neurological disorder on earth? So we are talking billions you say in western world all forced to be Jesus worshiping capitalists loyal to laws locked in stone not to move by our uneducated ancestors so we can slay there dragons for all times ? Its impressive to your mind its my life and ya BPD bipolar and can point why it happened and how. So keep brainwashing people in to new ideas about a reality set in stone that moves and makes you suffer.
@LunaLu-00
3 ай бұрын
@jac585 but who is going to "fix the world"?? And how you would "fix" a person with NPD? This happened in their childhood probably to do with his caretakers, so they do have to "slay the ancestors dragons" but I am not sure if NPD can actually be cured? It would be interesting to find out if someone with that disorder actually was able to help himself and without the dr*ugs("medicine"). I am also against medicating, BTW.
@jac585
3 ай бұрын
@@LunaLu-00 me I fix the world every time I show them what has been going on and why suffering exists. And if you think im a narcissist you need to read again I have to do this its all my mind dose to point out the cracks and the people who fall in them and have no pride in doing no joy I just do it cuz I was made this way some people shove s it. For a living even today. The world id jacked billions mentally ill not ill just stuck in current system of controll same system of control Russia and china and Manny Manny Manny other nations are doing right now today to stop the new Rome empire that failed man thousands of years ago and failed today. No more rothchild bank wars or silent preachers and controlling government. Me my people arr going to shut this down.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
31:30 repetition compulsion PTS.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
15:00 rewatch start
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
1:02:00 speech ends and questions
@JKF8592
12 жыл бұрын
He got the point...
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
37:35 negative therapeutic reaction
@JT2012a
12 жыл бұрын
what about those that self destruct by taking drugs?
@lordtains
Жыл бұрын
Probably differs for each person. You'd have to analyze the function for each individual. For some, it may be driven by the death drive.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
53:28 self destructive motivation
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
Elimination of all significant others
@jonahthomerson8209
11 жыл бұрын
@MrWhooy - Thank you very much! Saved me 14:50 minutes.
@Retrogamer71
5 жыл бұрын
1:03:00 nirvana and ego dissolution? Unity with the totality of the world. Not a death drive. Mindfulness, cognitive behaviour and subjective exploration. Self reflection in analysis is more objective not concrete with significant others.
@dmaribrst
7 жыл бұрын
14:50
@Sabbbem
5 жыл бұрын
appreciate it!
@geoffvador
12 жыл бұрын
he sounds like woody alan
@jac585
3 ай бұрын
No defeet no bad feelings other than vivid realizatin i was right all my life and still have same problems as i have BPD but not same as he is saying tring to embaress the patiant through therapy then say they feel stoopid for wanting to feel about a way of life much like the gays we finaly excepted is a real thing but the heart broken beat by capitolisam are wrong for saying the playing table is rigged by us or the government the bank or the church you cant say that thats wear my job turns in to slave masters right hand with a whip telling them to run back in to what did destroy them and do to there makeup as a human will only happen again. ??? Im right. Prove me wrong without now bringing in some form of christian mystasysem or western thought in reflection of western reality to justfy it. Then i ask you who are you actually working for at end of day how smart are you and did😮 you not see you are just jutifying man kinds short commings and justifying there continued existance for church bank government. You are locking suffering in to reality by having your view of reality cuz you not smart enough to understand reality.
@jac585
3 ай бұрын
Me new Jung and ya I lost my mind getting to this point for mankind. Its my job did you not know. I did not pick my job no man would want to do this but had to be done to show the world how things are really operating right now.
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