I remember this engine, stuffed and mounted on a plinth in Canterbury, looking rather 'pink' as the weather affected the red oxide paint.
@netherbrickgamer
2 жыл бұрын
Its in whitstable museum now all nice and pretty.
@jasonm4982
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, my Mum started making a 3 & 1/2 inch guage model of this back in the 80s, though not finished the chassis with cylinders, wheels and con rods is on display in my living room.
@johndavies9270
3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating - thanks very much for this. I saw Invicta once as a kid, passing through Canterbury when she was on that plinth. Glad to see that she is now being properly looked after. I'm fortunate in that I possess an OO model of her, built by the late and greatly missed Mike Sharman (a story in itself). Unfortunately it was not a successful runner, and is in pieces awaiting some restoration. He made her in 'as preserved' condition, with that strange tender, which holds a Triang 'Rocket' motor.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
3 жыл бұрын
Mike Sharman built some amazing models. Invicta never had that odd two wheel tender - it's an artists error. I'm preparing an Invicta Revisited Video which shatters many myths abuot the engine and adds much new detail to her story. For example, she's not the first locomotive to be preserved. Far from it!
@nutmeg5032
4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video, well researched. I always thought this line was over shadowed by lines in the north.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
4 жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@furripupau
4 жыл бұрын
This one had always seemed like a mystery to me, as I never knew it had multi-tube boiler originally. It always seemed bizarre that Stephenson would go back to single flue after Rocket, nor did the engine look particularly balanced with so much of the boiler out over the rear wheels.
@tonywolton
6 ай бұрын
Enjoying this series of videos from Mr Dawson. Maybe somebody can inform me on just how it was the engineers were able to manufacture complex components such as pistons, cylinders and valve gear before, as I see it, the use of steel? See the above drawing at 0.40 as a good example of valve gear etc. So I have read in 2 different books on early locomotion, iron ruled the day for track, locomotive wheels, frames and boiler plates, but the first mention I see for steel is about 1850. Help from the learned much appreciated.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
6 ай бұрын
Components such as cylinders were cast iron, and things like wheels, boilers, valve gear etc were all wrought iron. Some compnents were 'steeled' such as slide bars but most components were simply wrought iron. So boiler plates were rolled from wrought iron. Components such as axles were forged by hand, later by steam hammers either from individual bars of iron or pressed together from forged components. Wheels were fire-welded from individual components rather than being cast - cast iron wheels are very brittle. Tyres were also wrought iron; they were heated and then put on the wheel and left to cool so they shrunk to fit as tighly as possible. Frame plates again big sheets of rolled wrought iron drilled and cut by hand, and finished with machine tools. eg slotting machines, planing machines and lathes. Wrought iron in many ways is superior than steel for a boiler as it retains some elasticity - a steel boiler will not give any indication its about to blow or stand the punishment of a rivet, wrought iron boiler. It was all done by hand. Wrought iron is cost effect, durable and relatively easy to work. Back then in the 1830s, it was also a relatively new technology. Whilst iron had been used for centuries, rolling iron in sufficiently large plates was new. So too many of the skills to fire weld. The railways had a demand for good quality iron and skilled smiths and the technology and smiths rose to the challenge. Rails were also wrought iron, steel rails didn't really come along until the 1860s after Mr Bessemer had patented his process in the middle of the 1850s. Steel rails were more durable but also harder to bend to shape. Hope this helps.
@frankdestefano5697
4 жыл бұрын
I'm fascinated by the depictions of its single axle tender...never seen anything like that in contemporary railroad accounts or illustrations.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not convinced it's correct at all. It could only work if it was bascially articulated with the locomotive, presumably to provide more adhesive weight. But you see all sorts of weird depictions of locomotives at this time, even by competant artists.
@fernandoqueirozpopovic7024
2 жыл бұрын
Very very fascinating, to see such ainchet machines still interest people really gives me hope that steam will stay for a further 200 years and maybe longer
@nicholaskelly6375
3 жыл бұрын
You could argue that 'INVICTA' is The Oldest preserved locomotive. As it was already preserved by 1840! And as such became the first railway locomotive to be "Saved for Posterity". Certainly it was preserved long before the bulk of the World's steam locomotives had been built. At that time the only other preserved steam vehicle was Nicolas Cugnot's "Fardier a Vapeur" of 1771 which was saved by Louis Napoleon when his more famous brother asked him to inspect the de commissioning of the Paris Arsenal early in 1799. Louis Napoleon saw the remains of the Cugnot vehicle and asked what it was. Thankfully he ordered that it be preserved and not scrapped. Seriously Anthony it would be a very good idea to do a programme early road steam which would cover Nicolas Cugnot and his vehicles. As recent research has proved that his 1771 vehicles was not the technical failure it is always made out to be. Far from it in fact. Yes it was a "Failure" but it's "failure" was political in nature and not technical.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
3 жыл бұрын
New research on "Invicta" has shown it wasn't 'saved for posterity' in 1840 rather it was re-used as a stationary boiler at Ashford Works for many years. What we see now is an amalgam of various parts and a Victorian "restoration" to re-make many, many missing parts of the machine.... Regarding Cugnot - I completely agree. His fardier was not a failure. It had the support of men like General Gribeauval of the artillery but it didnt have the right sort of political support in Ancien Regime France.
@nicholaskelly6375
3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I thought that they tried to sell it and it was simply laid aside. Certainly by the 1870's the SER claimed that it had been "Saved for Posterity" But I am fully aware of the "Myths" put around by people like Smiles etc etc. It is also worth noting that in a number of cases "conserved" locomotives were used as stationart boilers. As for Cugnot's Fardier my late father Maurice Kelly found a great deal of information which proved that it was far from a being a technical failure. Is it possible for me to contact you directly so that I can send you details of his research. One Cugnot "Myth" concerns the wall it knocked down. Well this has a grain of truth to it! But it happened in 1799 when it was being removed from the Paris Arsenal for preservation. At the time it was being hauled by a team of horses!
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholaskelly6375 There's masses of rubbish about Cugnot in print, in French and English, but particularly the latter. Drop me a message via Twitter or facbook (On Historical Lines). One thing that annoys me with eg Cugnot or even Seguin are authors saying there's "not much known" yet there's masses in print in French or in French archives.
@nicholaskelly6375
3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thanks I will be in touch. One thing Dad came to the conclusion that Cugnot actually built at least three (if not more) vehicles. In 1763, 1769 and 1771. You are quite correct about the nonsense written about him. We all have to be eternally grateful to Lucien Bonaparte. Dad always felt that had the 1771 vehicle not been saved. Then it would have been completely dismissed and the general consensus would have been that it simply could not have existed.
@johndavies9270
3 жыл бұрын
There's film on KZitem of a working replica built in America (I think) which clearly demonstrates that the fardier was a perfectly viable, albeit rather cumbersome, working machine. It's a fascinating piece of footage - and very enjoyable.
@johnjephcote7636
2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that Edward Fletcher was associated with 'Invicta'!
@malcolmtaylor518
3 жыл бұрын
Invicta on display in Whitstable museum, if you can ever get to it. Well worth seeing. The cylinders were at the front, as we now expect them to be.
@johnjephcote7636
2 жыл бұрын
An obscure intrusion...I noticed that on P321 of the Sept/Oct 1948 Railway Magazine is an H C Casserly photo of a 1930s Hackworth 0-6-0, (similar to the one built for Canada, Samson). It was then recorded as having lain out of use at South Hetton Colliery 'for at least 40 years' and having been withdrawn in the 1870s, was subsequently used as a snowplough (not under its own steam). It was, in 1948 'in a remarkable state of preservation' and 'other than Derwent was possibly the only other Hackworth locomotive in existence'. i was trying to find one of your videos on Hackworth, but failed and I have never seen any other reference to this survivor of 72 years ago.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
2 жыл бұрын
I've not coverd Hackworth.... yet. The locomotive you mention is currently preserved at Locomotion in Shildon. It was probably called Bradyll and Dr Michael Bailey carried out a full archaeological study. The paper "Turning a Blind Eye to Bradyll" was published as part of the Early Railway series of conferences. :-) It's also worth mentioning this video is now very out of date following the publication of Dr Bailey's report on Invicta. I must do an update.
@XanthinZarda
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these fascinating videos; you have an amazing lilt to your voice. As for an early train to look into, I'm thinking the "Grasshopper", _Atlantic._
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou. I get so many comments about how lovely my voice is. I'll see what I can learn about the grasshoppers.
@paulhorn2665
4 жыл бұрын
Well a nice video! Invicta is a less known locomotive for me... Well If there is a locomotive, I want to hear the story about, its the "Patentee" type, like they used for the german "Der Adler" oder "De Arend" same type, but broadgage in the netherlands.I think there is a fascinating story behind it!
@paulhorn2665
4 жыл бұрын
Other fascinating story is behind ericssons "Novelty" I guess, it was some kind of firefighting equipment I heard and was used by the rainhill trials and there it met "Cycloped", although non steam its a fascinating story by itself.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
4 жыл бұрын
I'm working on videos on Novelty and Sans Pareil :-) watch this space, Paul.
@paulhorn2665
4 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Nice!
@eliotreader8220
2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory in your book about the Rainhill trials I believe you did show both engines in a better light than other writers have done. in the case of Hackworth's engine it seems she had some problems that was only discovered in till later on. despite being a industrial type engine she should have by rights come in second place to Rocket.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
2 жыл бұрын
@@eliotreader8220 Novelty was a blind alley. Sans Pareil was obsolete, dead-end technology. Even if Sans Pareil had come in "second place" the design of boiler meant that it could not supply sufficient steam to the cylinders. Whilst Sans Pareil could run quickly over a short distance, it could not do so consistently or for a sustained period, whilst Rocket could. And that was thanks to the boiler design. As Dr Michael Bailey and John Glithero concluded in 2003 Rocket was the outright winner, not jsut because it was the last man standing but because a) it performed consistently and reliably and was able to operate a fast, timetabled service b) the design could be expanded and improved upon. Sans Pareil was the last gasp of old technology.
@mikego18753
3 жыл бұрын
Enjoying your vids. cheers
@websitesthatneedanem
4 жыл бұрын
Rocket - after the Rainhill trials!
@paulhorn2665
4 жыл бұрын
Other fascinating story would be about the famous "Stourbridge Lion" where I do not understand the connection between USA and UK about it and the "half beam" design of it...
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
4 жыл бұрын
Stourbridge Lion was built in Stourbridge, UK by John Urpeth Rastrick. He'd been one of the Judges at the Rainhill Trials. A sister enginer, The Agenoria is at the National Railway Museum in York. Both are included in my book "Before Rocket": www.amazon.co.uk/Before-Rocket-Steam-Locomotive-1829/dp/1911658255/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&qid=1587162870&refinements=p_27%3AAnthony+Dawson&s=books&sr=1-9&text=Anthony+Dawson :-)
@furripupau
4 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Agenoria would make a nice video. Despite being preserved, it doesn't seem to get much attention. The connection to the "Stourbridge Lion" and three other (identical?) locomotives sent to America is interesting too.
@richarddyasonihc
3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your progress, If you are familiar with the the coloured engraving of an engaine emerging at speed from the Box tunnel with a signal guarding (or policemen) standing to the left of the picture, could you please provide more information about the engine and the the signal.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
3 жыл бұрын
The locomotive looks to be a Firefly Class. And the Constable is giving the hand signal 'all clear.' See my videos on early signalling for more on rail safety in the 1830s and 1840s :-)kzitem.info/news/bejne/0H94yqahemSblo4
@eliotreader8220
2 жыл бұрын
i understand after her days as a locomotive was over they then used her as a stationary boiler to power some kind of machinery
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed they did.
@eliotreader8220
2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory any idea on how they kept her supplied with water when in stationary use?
@Poliss95
3 жыл бұрын
The first publicly timetabled steam hauled passenger service as I remember. Months before the L&MR opened. The NRM never mention it.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
3 жыл бұрын
The C&W was only locomotive worked for the last mile and a bit. For most of it's length it was worked by stationary engines and endless ropes.
@GianUbertoLauri
4 жыл бұрын
The tunnel... being build this early and this tight, it prevented some rolling stock to pass through, like French Fasu and Italian Fb wagons.
@DiegoLiger
4 жыл бұрын
The Tyler Hill Tunnel was single track, and very small bore - it would remain a bottle neck on the C&W until closure in the 1950s. They had to use adapted or very small locomotives to work through it.
@GianUbertoLauri
4 жыл бұрын
@@DiegoLiger Like School class?
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
4 жыл бұрын
Much smaller than the schools. Tank engines!
@GianUbertoLauri
4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Dawson the School class was too large??
@johnjephcote7636
2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I wish I had been on the last train (brake vans) but I was very young and we had no car then. The loco was an ex-South Eastern R1 tank with cut down chimney and possibly altered cab.
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