Sometimes, filmmakers realize how absurd it looks to have a hundred-pound woman fighting off several large male warriors, so instead, they put them in the role of archers, ignoring the fact that it takes more upper body strength to use a bow effectively than it does to swing a sword or an axe.
@ITBEurgava
5 жыл бұрын
Should be a crossbow. Assuming it exists in the era. Bit heavy, but needs almost no training. Many tools to help with the reloading. Allows the user to attack while hiding.
@ITBEurgava
4 жыл бұрын
@SonofZiezi and yet there are many devices that can help with that. Goat foot for the lighter weight crossbows, for example. And I don't suppose sergeants let the peasants handle heavy crossbows. Those are pricey, I imagine.
@woodys9841
4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Daddy Shaym here
@elizabeth9841
3 жыл бұрын
Idk why it's so hard for them to cast *physically* strong women tho
@pitedapollo6175
3 жыл бұрын
its him
@stonescorpio
9 жыл бұрын
Yes! I'm female, and I would much rather see the useful roles that women ACTUALLY historically played in warfare and politics than have female characters shoehorned into roles they would never have held. Of course, some women can perform well in battlefield situations, but they're usually not the waifish beauties that Hollywood likes to truss up in leather armor. Also, it's frankly embarrassing how easily that "warrior princess" went down from a tiny shoulder cut. Seriously? She's barely bleeding. That's not feminism; that's an embarrassment.
@stonescorpio
9 жыл бұрын
IronRooRoo How silly of me to think that triage, uniform production, cooking, and spying might serve any role in warfare! Sillier still to imagine that men in power might be swayed by the opinions or politics of their wives who, in many ancient cultures, ran their households. And come to think of it, I suppose it makes sense that Olympic weightlifters capable of lifting (clean and jerk) 165 lbs. could be defeated at arm-wrestling by cubicle jockeys weighing as much as their max lift weight. You sure showed me! I guess I better go back to my kitchen and start making sandwiches.
@LordTurtleneck
9 жыл бұрын
stonescorpio Please don't tell me you're pretending that women are as good fighters as men.
@PinkBroBlueRope
9 жыл бұрын
(feminism is an embarrassment)
@MarquisSmith
9 жыл бұрын
The female weight lifting record is a very impressive 75 kg. ... the male record is 105 kg. Gender equality is paramount to a healthy society, but denying biological differences is pointless.
@stonescorpio
9 жыл бұрын
MarquisSmith True. I was mostly responding to an assertion by IronRooRoo (the comment has apparently been removed) that a man of average strength could easily best the strongest woman at arm-wrestling or other feats of strength. I was using those numbers to point out the absurdity of that specific claim.
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
Tons of men die in horrific ways on a battlefield and nobody bats an eye, a single woman gets cut and everyone loses their minds...
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
aaron west I take it you like Game of Thrones then...
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
aaron west You're em....How do I put this....You worry me
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
It seems like you're suggesting what makes a good movie is the violence/sex ratio and
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
People who's primary focus lies with the sex and gore worry me
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
aaron west Sex and violence goes together like peanut butter and jelly ey....See it's stuff like that which worries me. Sex and violence are contrast to one another no?
@RoninDave
8 жыл бұрын
Another problem with shoehorning in women into historical pieces as warriors aside from being completely anti-historical, it's treating women as though they are children who need to be placated with childlike fantasies as we do with children and Disney movies where the kids are all smart, fix all the problems, and the adults are all stupid. We do that to make them feel smart and confident but with the knowledge that they will eventually grow up and realize that was all rubbish. This movie seems to be shouting: "Hey! We're sorry for the past so here's your unrealistic fantasy of a mostly untrained female character cutting down professional mercenaries! Girl Power, Yo!" Do they expect female viewers to clap their hands and say "See? Women can do anything a man can do without any training or proper armor!" More often it was women who were calling the shots like Zenobia of Palmyra, the Margarets of the Wars of the Roses, Elizabeth I, etc... not prancing about in tight-fitting iron-studded leather swinging broadswords. Brains over brawn tends to win the day and rule it as well but for some reason in film&TV overcompensating apologetic males and missing-the-point 3rd wave feminists want to make women stupidly violent or violently stupid. Yay for progressive? There were women warriors throughout history but they were the exception not the rule and unlike this untrained princess and scullery maid, they typically had some training or like Joan of Arc they were symbolic fighters who inspired people with their spirit not their ability to hack off heads with a single blow. On the other side of the spectrum in fiction land, Brienne from Game of Thrones is more believable IMHO because 1) she is a larger more meatier person; 2) everyone makes fun of her rather than readily accepting her as a warrior; 3) she has had years of training. I know people are pissed she beat the Hound but he had a septic injury and the misfortune of an inappropriate cliff moment. They didn't have her smugly beat him with ease thank goodness. She got the crap beat out of her. Also The Walking Dead, the strong female characters I feel are believable because we've seen how they have evolved and become hardened by their kill-or-be-killed experiences like their male counterparts. Ironclad, however, is just one of those pandering films that does it all wrong giving us female characters who inexplicably defeat hardened professional armored medieval mercenaries thru melee combat rather than thru archery or dropping hot oil or rocks on them or even coming up with a decent plan.
@MCWren
8 жыл бұрын
SJWs demand to be treated like children. If you don't treat them as such, you obviously must be a misogynist.
@cielopachirisu929
8 жыл бұрын
+Ronin Dave I hope you mean hot _sand_. Not oil :p.
@sirbutthurt2937
8 жыл бұрын
+Ronin Dave Jeanne D-Arc didn't kill anyone and begged her soldiers to spare english prisoners, even praying with them. So.
@RoninDave
8 жыл бұрын
Sir Butthurt yeah which is why I mentioned she was a symbolic inspirational fighter not a real fighter
@sirbutthurt2937
8 жыл бұрын
Ronin Dave I know, just mentioned more to paint the picture of her character.
@DeepOneBill
9 жыл бұрын
Difference between these characters and ones like Brienne of Tarth: Brienne of Tarth was trained in combat, these characters were not. Brienne has short hair, full armor and has physical stature capable of crushing people back in combat. These characters are 100lbs soaking wet. This is less about who's a woman and more about who's trained, armed, armored and physically capable.
@AnIdiotsLantern
9 жыл бұрын
Brianne of Tarth is also, mostly, treated like a freak and jeered at by the men around her. She's one of the strongest fighters in the whole series (she defeats the HOUND, ffs) and yet until Renly, nobody really respected her for those skills. If anything, they mostly brought her a lot of scorn and rejection. One of the many fails of the "Battle Frock" is the fact that Female lead can fight is usually just ... -accepted- by the men around them. I know this SEEMS like it'd be a good thing, since a total absence of gender bias is an ideal we can't live up to even now and if you're going to create a fantasy world anyway why not one where men and women are completely equal... but hell, look at the way we treat actual female soldiers TODAY, let alone back in historical times. A woman fighting in this situation, even if she actually has the skills and the strength to make it work like Brianne does, would mostly be treated as an anomaly, a freak, someone who doesn't belong there, a joke. Another problem for Brianne is she's not beautiful. In the books she is over six feet tall, built like an ox, with unfine features, limp yellow hair, and lots of freckles. "The wench is as strong as Gregor Clegane, though not so pretty," was how Loras described her. It shows that even when a woman is this strong and this capable, somehow, people still manage to fixate most of their attention on her looks. I wish I could say this wasn't realistic....
@Cal6009
9 жыл бұрын
AnIdiotsLantern The actress has very nice cheekbones.
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
Ah but if we were going with a fantasy setting where both genders are treated equally they should be treated as such in all ways, not just combat. So in that universe there would be no "protect the women" chivalry stuff but men and women would be on the battlefield fighting alongside each other in equal numbers and dying in equal numbers.
@AnIdiotsLantern
8 жыл бұрын
Which fantasy setting are you talking about? Also, lets get one thing straight: this "protect the women" stuff is just a step away from "protect the baby-maker" stuff, where women are a resource you need to defend if you are going to rebuild your numbers. It's about women as a resource, rather then independent agents with free will who can affect the world with their actions. So it wouldn't be so much, "protect the women," as, "protect THIS woman, because I know her, she's my friend, and I don't want anything bad to happen to her." The same way male-male platonic bro-mances get played in war movies. It's so odd to find a fantasy film or genre movie where a male and female character are even permitted to have a relationship that isn't romantic.... in fact, male characters often have a hard time expressing emotions that aren't based in either lust or violence. Like those are the only acceptable feelings a real MAN can have. It's rediculous.
@TheStapleGunKid
6 жыл бұрын
"The death of a beautiful woman, is unquestionably the most poetical topic in the world."-- Edgar Allen Poe. To this day, this is the logic that movie makers use.
@LutzDerLurch
10 жыл бұрын
I am a Man. I have long Hair. I do Reenactment Battles. Tie the Hair, make it into a Knot, do what ever you want to keep it from being open, or you are in a whole World of Pain, caught Hair, Hair in your Face, your Eyes, blocking your Sight etc. etc. etc., Having open Hair when Firing a Musket is "neat" as well... catch a Strand between Buttstock and Shoulder, and the Recoil will gladly epilate it...*ouch*
@XBLArmory
10 жыл бұрын
But you tie it up don't you?, I cant imagine hefting a blade every few moments with hair in my mouth.
@LutzDerLurch
10 жыл бұрын
Yupp, I tie it up. As even a Ponytail gets annoying when you shoulder a Firearm, or your Crossbelts tuck on it, I totally see the Benefit (besides it looking sharp) of wearing the hair clubbed or in a Queue as a Soldier of the 1770s :) I'm not much of a Swordsmen, just not my prime Interest. but if open Hair annoys me with a Musket, it must be Hell for anyone doing swordsplay. ;)
@enoughofyourkoicarp
10 жыл бұрын
LutzDerLurch As an amateur martial artist I can safely say that just doing basic warm ups with long hair is majorly annoying if it isn't in a ponytail.
@LutzDerLurch
10 жыл бұрын
So all of us long-haired hippy Wannabe Warriors agree: open long Hair is a big no-no for Combat :D
@EvidensInsania
10 жыл бұрын
Also a long haired man here and you are so right. I actually consider just about EVERY physical task, and even a lot of nonphysical day to day tasks, a lot harder and more annoying if I don't have my hair a least tied back off my face. Doesn't have to be a full ponytail but the stuff just can't be flapping into my face and covering my eyes. Never have understood why seeing such things is pretty uncommon in movies. I mean back when more men did have long hair they did know how to tie it back before battle.
@theoriginaldylangreene
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having the balls to say this. For some unknown reason pointing out that women can't do all of the things men can is now the biggest taboo in Western Culture.
@theoriginaldylangreene
10 жыл бұрын
***** Funny how when female athletes where tested against normal men, the females where shown to still have worse upperbody strength, and grip strength than men.
@Earthenfist
10 жыл бұрын
***** The point isn't a 1/0 can/can't- it's about who's _better_. This is life or death combat- combat which, lets face it, millions of years of evolution (or Divine body-structure decision making) has prepared men for more than women. Both genders are quite capable of killing things. Both genders are quite capable of killing things well. But men tend to be just that little bit better at it (both due to genetics and usually due to upbringing) than women. Just like how women tend to have higher pain thresholds and are capable of multi-tasking, and can (as Lindy pointed out) be absolute TERRORS to face in the political and social arena, Men tend to have better upper body strength (for swinging weapons about) and battlefield focused abilities. Men, I believe, are better able to follow and stick to a heirarchy, once established, which is more conducive to taking orders and working as a cohesive whole in hectic combat.
@Wolfgang9Hype
10 жыл бұрын
Earthenfist I've actually read that the higher pain threshold thing is only in specific situations (childbirth) because their body knows how to deal with it. Aside from that instance I've found reports of tests that have pointed both ways, but with a leaning towards women having a higher pain sensitivity (which might not mean lower threshold).
@theoriginaldylangreene
10 жыл бұрын
***** I didn't say that they can't, just that men are not just marginally, but considerably stronger than women. If a man and a woman of equal "fitness" go toe to toe, then the woman is coming off worse 99% of the time.
@informativt
10 жыл бұрын
Judging by this comment field, it causes a shitstorm if there's a single woman doing a man thing. And it happens every damn time.
@Savaniel
10 жыл бұрын
What I really want to know, though, is how you got Batman to narrate the title! He seems like a tough guest to get.
@lindybeige
10 жыл бұрын
I found him in that cafe talking to Superman.
@Savaniel
10 жыл бұрын
Lindybeige Ha! Well, probably the best choice for the job. Because he's Batman.
@zachary4670
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing response
@ghostoftanelorn9928
10 жыл бұрын
I really didn't like how our crusader man just dropped his convictions for this lady, "Oh well I better give up my chastity and honor because this previously married harlot has the hots for me". I think it would be more interesting and hilarious if he said no then rode off into the sunset with her face looking like a smacked backside.
@LaughingOwlKiller
10 жыл бұрын
its because Hollywood loves to portray no one as having any convictions Especially A Templar...
I bet it's gonna be the jews, or the women or the people who just aren't the same as our beloved poster.
@elgostine
10 жыл бұрын
deathfish3000 ironically the jews DO have deep roots in the entertainment industry,, bmostly because it was one of the few industries that WASNT dominated by anglo protestant men, or so ive read.
@medievalgirl002
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. What's more he slept with her after she screamed, hurled insults, and finally resorted to basically throwing a tantrum to because he held out, to prove how lovely, ladylike and desirable she was.
@MrCmon113
8 жыл бұрын
What bugs me more is that they don't wear helmets and close their eyes while fighting. : / Also many writers horribly fail at being inclusive by depicting women as warriors, but failing to let them take damage. Which ironically makes their work extremely sexist again.
@20110102
8 жыл бұрын
+Taxtro welcome to tokenism. you gotta have a strict quota of women and women specific scenes to please certain groups of people who would otherwise scream blue murder.
@flyingrancidm00nfish7
8 жыл бұрын
I know, and not one soldier thinks to grab that long flowing hair to stop the woman from attacking them cos hey, its do or die
@LochNessyMonster
5 жыл бұрын
Cough*The Two Towers*cough
@JaysenKov
4 жыл бұрын
@@LochNessyMonsterMaster what? Are you talking about Eowyn? Not only is she a character in the book, but Rohan is vaguely based on the Vikings, who did in fact allow women to fight with men as "shieldmaiden"
@LochNessyMonster
4 жыл бұрын
@@JaysenKov, sorry, The Wheel of Time
@martinsgakke
8 жыл бұрын
Anyone with the slightest experience in intense martial arts or sports knows that such a superficial skin wound on the shoulder is barely even noticed when you're drowning in adrenaline.
@MCWren
8 жыл бұрын
Yes general, of course you would know that. What martial art do you do, unarmored knife fighting?
@Oujouj426
8 жыл бұрын
+JR Vids Have you really never injured yourself whilst being active, and only noticed the injury after everything was done? That wound she got would barely require stitches, it's not unreasonable to say that she wouldn't have noticed it, had she not looked at it directly.
@MCWren
8 жыл бұрын
+joujou264 dude, that cut was like 1/4-1/2" deep
@martinsgakke
8 жыл бұрын
JR Vids No it wasn't, didn't even reach the fat layer of the skin. A scratch by any possible criteria.
@MCWren
8 жыл бұрын
+Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin You might have pushed the glass further into your foot by playing more, just saying.
@stevo728822
9 жыл бұрын
There are so many action movies where a 9 stone woman knocks out three 16 stone men. Laughable.
@stevo728822
8 жыл бұрын
+Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin Imperial weight measurement. 1 stone = 14lbs.
@stevo728822
8 жыл бұрын
+Eddie 'JaggSauce' Gluskin Ah, yes in America you describe people's weight in terms of pounds. In England we use stones and pounds. So we say 10 stone 4 pounds rather than 144 pounds. Another one of those across the Pond translations.
@chrishazell8745
3 жыл бұрын
@@deiniolbythynnwr926 Midlands here. It is very rare for weight to be given in kg.
@Magneticlaw
3 жыл бұрын
NOT laughable... steroids...
@T0mm3n
3 жыл бұрын
@@Magneticlaw lol no, you can take as much test-prop and tren ace as you want, but a 9 stone woman (or man for that matter) would still get absolutely ragdolled by a 16 stone man, let alone 3 of them.
@woodwwad
10 жыл бұрын
Having women doing things like this in movies that aren't fantasy is just stupid. Film makers, stop ruining your movies. Great vid.
@telemnarnumenorean8557
10 жыл бұрын
Actually I don't think that it's somethink ok in fantasy films. Just look at Tauriel in Hobbit.... :(
@TheRomanRuler
10 жыл бұрын
***** Yeah, yeah, it SHOULD, like there SHOULD not be wars or poverty etc.
@TrollDragomir
10 жыл бұрын
Telemnar númenórëan She's a really bad character though. Not just because she fights, but because she's really badly written. Typical independent woman warrior that ends up as a love interest anyway.
@telemnarnumenorean8557
10 жыл бұрын
Well, what would you expect in character that was add violently......
@CRBASF2
10 жыл бұрын
TrollDragomir And also, it didn't appear in the books either.
@AnHeC
10 жыл бұрын
Gee, I can't even eat properly with my hair down. Or read a book... Props to those fighters XD What an utterly ridiculous idea. I love it when you tear films apart. It's always so much fun!
@MeepChangeling
6 жыл бұрын
As a person with long hair who has fought in HEMA matches for years, one of the first things my instructor did was scream at me to tie my hair back.
@theknightofbadassness301
10 жыл бұрын
Also, here battle-frock would have to be made by someone. If not she had owned a battle-frock before the siege.
@lindybeige
10 жыл бұрын
Yes, clearly her noble father had required her to be kitted out with a floor-length chromium-tanned brown-dyed battle frock just in case.
@theknightofbadassness301
10 жыл бұрын
Well you never know when your untrained and physically weak daughter may need to kill five or six VIKINGS! This sort of thing Mr Beige happened all the time, really you call your self an expert.
@Zajin13
8 жыл бұрын
+The knight of bad assness Especially during a time where you had no vikings invading England anymore as everyone was christian! But hey, in a film where a templar knight says his horse isn't for eating allthough everyone is starving and a makeshift catapult can destroy a giant siege tower with one shot, we probably shouldn't expect any explanation for her female fighting dress.
@Tina06019
8 жыл бұрын
Hahaha. Right. If the shit hit the fan, I would definitely change into a shoulder-baring (?!?) long studded leather dress instead of tying back my hair, putting on the most convenient armor and helmet I could get my hands on, and grabbing a shield and a spear. I never make any of my reinactment garb (even the pretty dresses) longer than lower calf length. Whether fighting or working or tending to children, a floor length gown is just a hazard.
@BigPuddin
7 жыл бұрын
The prettier you are, Tina, the fiercer you shall fight. It is science. Proven science...that I just pulled straight out of my ass.
@belfastfreethinker
10 жыл бұрын
And so little blood!! And no lingereing agonised deaths. It's all quick, clean, bloodless kills. You know, like in real life.
@RoninDave
10 жыл бұрын
I've not seen the film but I have seen enough of this trope in recent media. If it is a fantasy setting I will give it some leeway like if the female is an elf or something. Ultimately the irony is that the attempt to appease modern sensitivities with the female medieval warrior is that it is basically misogynistic. The underlying misogyny of this trope is that femininity is somehow bad and that the only way a woman can be equal (or superior) is that she be as stupidly violent as her male counterparts. Also lets face it a lot of times when movies and games have a bad ass female warrior it's mainly just so guys will drool over a girl in a chainmail bikini
@SantosAl
10 жыл бұрын
***** You are right when you say that there are cultural reasons for gender roles, however they aren't the only reason, there is also an anatomical and neurological reasons. While other species may have the female as hunters, for Humans, Men have evolved for that role. While women have evolved to nurture children and gather fruits and nuts. However the right training and mentality can create a capable female warrior/soldier. Basically gender roles are both cultural and biological - Cheers
@SkyClap
10 жыл бұрын
Well femininity IS bad if you are directly fighting in a medieval war or in the process of doing. Also if a woman want to help the war effort IN the battlefield is pretty obvious that she must be as stupidly violent as her male counterparts. Your are just part of this trend that sees misogyny in everything and makes a villain out of everyone.
@RoninDave
10 жыл бұрын
SkyClap trying writing in better english and I might understand you
@RoninDave
10 жыл бұрын
***** "It was ridiculous seeing her whop down those "vikings" so easily without hardly any trouble" Exactly! It was even more ridiculous given the fact that she never had any training and yet she killed several "vikings." Now that I've seen the film I don't recall anything being said about previous training in military arts. Hell, the squire was having a tough go of it at first and he had far more training then she did. The "vikings" weren't henchmen movie fodder though they were killed off as such - they were professional mercenary soldiers. They would have been well-armed and well-trained. In the film the two untrained woefully under-armored women cut down about half-a-dozen of these mercs between them. Were they fighting the B-squad of rookies? Now had she been an archer and had training as such it would have been far more believable.
@SkyClap
10 жыл бұрын
Ronin Dave Well, nice way to invalidate the whole comment. English is not my native language (I'm chilean) and I don't think a couple of grammar errors makes the argument rubish. Plus "triying writing in better english"?, guess you also have some improvement to do...
@WireMosasaur
8 жыл бұрын
Shit man, I can't even reliably eat a bowl of noodles with my hair untied. This thing of "sexy warrior women fighting with their hair unbound and free" clearly comes from people who have never had hair longer than their ears.
@cygil1
10 жыл бұрын
Even today, female marines are exempt or have reduced versions of the strength and fitness requirements that male marines must satisfy, because of their lower biological strength -- and these are tough women who have self-selected themselves for the marines, not the skinny fashion models of cinema. Women soldiers can just about hold their own in the era when assault rifles make physical strength largely irrelevant in actual combat. But men definitely have the advantage in tough hand to hand fighting with heavy armour and shields. At the very least, in the rare cases where women warriors have existed historically, they certainly did not look like hollywood, starlets, more like womens rugby players.
@amerexile001
10 жыл бұрын
You also have to remember that modern combat soldiers have to carry their gear everywhere they go. All 100+ pounds of it. The main complaint from soldiers (both IRL and OL) about female infantry is that they often cannot carry all of their gear and end up getting a male soldier to carry much of it for them. I could also go into boot camp statistics if you please.
@nilsjevivderilsje
10 жыл бұрын
amerexile001 This is an old comment, I know, but one big factor in it also is that men are already coming back from modern wars with, in their words, fucked up knees, legs, and backs. It's really very common and if you talk to any modern marine, he would surely agree with that. As it turns out, apparently, women are factually much more susceptible to these injuries than men are. So if a lot of our fighting force can barely handle it, I would imagine the majority of women simply won't be able to do it at all.
@ocean6828
4 жыл бұрын
That is true, however many people would have you believe that a woman would be useless in a fight, which is untrue. Especially if she is using a spear, so she can keep her enemy away and make the fight more about speed than about strength.
@ocean6828
4 жыл бұрын
nilsjevivderilsje the majority of anyone can’t do it.
@danmorgan3685
10 жыл бұрын
Women really didn't fight. If cornered they would of course protect themselves. In a siege their were a lot of important tasks for the women to do. Helping the wounded. Bringing ammo, dropping heavy things on the heads of people coming up the ladders. Their were muscle powered trebuchets that - on at least one occasion - were powered the women on the besieged side. Hell, just cooking and distributing food would be an important job. I would like to see a movie about a siege where women did things like that and acknowledge for their bravery. If the castle fell they would be put to the sword like everyone else.
@GenericAmerican1
10 жыл бұрын
Bart Bols Regardless of how accurate your statement might be. . .that's still a pretty tasteless thing to say.
@300warrior300
10 жыл бұрын
The problem with modern filmmaking is that swordfighting is so glorified, that everybody has to has to be able to share in the honour and glory otherwise it is unfair and sexist. It's so so stupid.
@imjohnfreeman
10 жыл бұрын
GenericAmerican1 tasteless? lmfao, better to just act like it never happened, huh?
@GenericAmerican1
10 жыл бұрын
imjohnfreeman No, it was a common thing, which is why I added "Regardless of how accurate the statement is." The tasteless part is how society is moving towards trivializing the act of, as he called it, rape "tiem."
@imjohnfreeman
10 жыл бұрын
sorry, next time someone mentions rape i'll light a candle
@Oxnate
10 жыл бұрын
"...close-fitting, off the shoulder, studded leather, BATTLE FROCK!" Best line of the whole Ironclad series.
@generalerica4123
2 жыл бұрын
"A garment of such [voicecrack] STAGGERING stupidity…"
@murlocknight1427
Жыл бұрын
I looked at that thing and immediately realized she’d be better served by the dress. You can hike it up, for one!
@GumaroRVillamil
10 жыл бұрын
What bothers me is not the actual sex of the warrior, but the apparent magical capabilities of otherwise completely unprepared people. Just learning to hold a sword correctly takes a lot of practice!! What really matters to me is the (sometimes life-long) training, constant (daily) practice, are REAL experience. Though fiction, I think A Song Of Ice and Fire shows this quite well. For example take Brienne of Tarth, with her noble upbringing, training by her father's master-at-arms, sheer size and strength, and equipment (armor and valyrian steel sword) had never done any real fighting before. So logically she was beaten by a battle-hardened mercenary, who used everything he had and didn't care for a "fair" fight. Or other nobles who are famous jousters, but die quickly in the battlefield. I've trained in various martial arts for almost 15 years now, including some historical fencing, kendo, and iado, and as I am right now, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't last in a real medieval battle. Now imagine any average joe, modern or from the Middle Ages, who has never picked up a real weapon before. No matter how strong he is, he will die very quickly at the hands of a professional soldier. Same goes for women,
@ryanbecker6713
9 жыл бұрын
Vikings appearing in this movie would be like putting kilts and tartan from the 16th century on William Wallace. Wait a minute...
@oolooo
8 жыл бұрын
And that , gentlemen and gentlewomen , is why everybody loves Brienne of Tarth .
@Yorikoification
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, a breath of fresh air. She is a woman in proper armour, has a gigantic figure, short hair and does not have a load of makeup on her face. +1
@oolooo
8 жыл бұрын
A woman who will fight you , kick your ass and never hide herself on some shitty social made-up rule .
@oolooo
8 жыл бұрын
I want that in my life .
@axlpuff5017
8 жыл бұрын
One of the few examples of a believable depiction of a female warrior. I could actually see her being a physical threat, unlike the catwalk model with the bare shoulders in this video.
@BigPuddin
7 жыл бұрын
You do know that this person is a work of fiction, correct?
@fadde98
10 жыл бұрын
I just recently saw a short and cheesy documentary about the English language in school called "Family foster". Boy was i surprised when i saw Lloyd being interviewed in the middle of the streets. :D Kinda dissapointed when the interviewer said "We should let you host the show because you clearly know more than we do" and only asked him another question instead of the latter.
@guypierson5754
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, NECRO'ing your comment: can you find me that for my entertainment? I've had a look for it and cannot find it.
@fadde98
4 жыл бұрын
@@guypierson5754 Oh wow, this takes me back. Sadly, it would seem that the show has been removed from the official site where I first saw it when I was still in school. The show was made for this Swedish Educational Radio Program. I did find this though: www.filmoteket.se/magento/index.php/family-foster-england.html Sadly, it's all in Swedish. So if you really wanna put in the effort you might be able to make a fake trial account to access it, with some help from Google Translate. Hope this helps.
@TheOpalHammer
3 жыл бұрын
Brienne of Tarth in game of thrones is the best depiction of a 'woman warrior' I have seen, as her prowess is 100% believable. She is clearly as strong (if not stronger) than most men, she has trained for most of her life, so she is more skilled than the average fighter and wearing the most practical set of armour in the show.
@Flashback2020
Жыл бұрын
The actress who portrayed her was not as strong as any of the male actors she fought against. And she got hurt constantly while filming that role.
@TheOpalHammer
Жыл бұрын
@@Flashback2020 Today is the you find out characters in media can often do things the actors portraying them can't!
@ktheterkuceder6825
Жыл бұрын
@@Flashback2020 Check out gusje van geel.
@demonstructie
Ай бұрын
@@TheOpalHammertoday is the day you found out that a woman being tall doesn't make her as strong as a man
@TheOpalHammer
Ай бұрын
@@demonstructie The character as described in the books is one of the strongest in the series. Not just tall. Sorry my year old comment triggered you.
@edi9892
10 жыл бұрын
I doubt that there were many women engaged in fights, but I am sure that they were quite active in castle defense, especially when the number of soldiers decreased (carrying ammunition, pouring hot water down, maybe using a crossbow).
@kookiplops8444
10 жыл бұрын
***** He's basing it off actual history.
@TheAquarius1978
10 жыл бұрын
funny that you say that, there is a Portuguese story about a " warrior " woman in the war of 1385 against castile where the portuguese and english forces were outnumber 5 to 1 by the french and the spanish, were its said the she killed 7 spanish soldier with a baker shovel lol, of course there are no historic proffs, but even today the " padeira de Aljubarrota " ( the baker of Aljubarrota ) is celebrated as a national hero
@jasonschneijder2012
10 жыл бұрын
TheAquarius1978 In the Netherlands there are stories of women bravely defending cities in the 80 years war. women however, didn't attack nor became soldier, they defended the city side by side with the men, if there were enough people on the wall, the other women would boil hot water, cook and bring meals, give water to their fellow citizen and make sure that no one on the wall would run out of water, food or ammunition. they also healed wounded people
@edi9892
10 жыл бұрын
***** Even when a women was sufficently strong to kick-ass and more agile than a man, no-one would arm and train her. Frankly, in most cultures women were (are?) regarded as inferior. In times were you are desperate for any help, you abandon your misgivings. You see this behavior in many wars and catastrophies. There were many possibilities for supporting roles and in prospect of rape and murder, many will even prefer to die fighting.
@GumaroRVillamil
10 жыл бұрын
There were documented cases of japanese women aiding in the defense of castles in feudal japan. see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna-bugeisha
@FreakyGremlinDK
3 жыл бұрын
"She's obviously not sexy enough to fight, is she?" That cracked me up. But imagine how entertaining it would be to see that chubby granny slaughtering vikings (VIKINGS!!) left and right, now that would be a plot twist that would have me lean forward in my seat.
@TrollDragomir
10 жыл бұрын
I've once seen a woman who was a bricklayer. Someone had to tell me she's a woman when I first saw her though. I imagine it would be much similar with female warriors. If any woman did end up fighting in melee she would be like Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones books (they do have very good, complex, powerful female characters without having to put them in studded leather).
@taltamir
10 жыл бұрын
But then they aren't beutiful enough for holliwood. I mean, they don't even tie their hair back while fighting! Any serious fighter woman would shave her head.
@TrollDragomir
10 жыл бұрын
Bart Bols As with my bricklayer example - if a woman is trained to fight for a long time she doesn't really look too much like a woman anymore, and definetly not like those sissy buggers from Hollywood. You know, big muscles, broken noses etc. If you wanna see an example of a real life Valkyrie google Marit Bjoergen.
@Darkwintre
10 жыл бұрын
TrollDragomir She looks quite nice! Thanks for the suggestion.
@GumaroRVillamil
10 жыл бұрын
Even Brienne of Tarth, with her noble upbringing, training by her father's master at arms, sheer size and strength, and equipment (armor and valyrian sword) had never done any real fighting before. So logically she was beaten by a battle-hardened mercenary, who used everything he had and didn't care for a "fair" fight.
@taltamir
10 жыл бұрын
TrollDragomir Its not that she doesn't look like a WOMAN anymore, its that she doesn't look like what holliwood defines as a beautiful woman.
@FirstLifeFan
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!! I am a woman and I am sick and tired of this trope. There is a freakin´ reason why women weren´t usually part of medieval fights. And including them in this role in modern movies isn´t doing anything for gender equality. Especially not if those Amazons are clad in tight-fitting, preferably midriff-baring armor, their hair flowing in long, untamed locks. I have long hair and it bothers me to no end when I´m outside and it´s either a little windy or when I´m doing something remotely physical like gardening. Also, they keep throwing those super strong and smile lady warriors at us, but we still have separate teams for sports competitions. And I don´t hear even the loudest feminists clamoring to change that. Why? Because men ARE stronger in general, and the competition would be unfair.
@Tina06019
8 жыл бұрын
I really hate 'battlefrocks.' in TV shows. History Channel's "Vikings" may have very silly biker-gear instead of armor, but at least none of the women are wearing brass brassieres instead of armor (umm, I think I will protect my breasts and expose my neck, heart, lungs, spine and abdominal organs to sword thrusts and arrows). The body armor I wore in Afghanistan was heavy, bulky, and man-shaped, but at least the US Army issued us breast-binders (so-called sports bras) to wear under our uniforms and body armor.
@adamfrisk956
8 жыл бұрын
How would you describe your ability to move and perform physically demanding tasks in a misfit armor and equipment?
@DaneStolthed
9 жыл бұрын
Why is it that "liberated" women find it difficult to believe that the sexes are distinct and each complements the other.
@charlottewalnut3118
8 жыл бұрын
Chase people in general have become morons
@MrCmon113
8 жыл бұрын
+DaneStolthed Where do you get that from?! You are ACTUALLY a misogynist, since you have taken directors and writers, who want to be politically correct and turned their shortcomings on ALL independent women. You are exactly like those asshats, who take the most outrageous comments of authoritarian leftists and try to use them against blacks. Oh and spare me of this romantic notion of "complementing eachother". The only way they complement eachother is in reproduction. If there were only men / women reproducing asexually, they'd have no problems whatsoever. There is nothing for which you NEED women and men, but reproduction.
@charlottewalnut3118
8 жыл бұрын
No I do not hate women if you would read the dictionary you would realize that is what it means to be a misogynist I don't hate women I hate stupid people like those who think women who had a large part on the store for battlefield ass just not true when it usually work trained they have less muscle mass they have less fighting aptitude in general than man there are differences between the sexes and they're always will be
@DaneStolthed
8 жыл бұрын
Taxtro I'm a "misogynist" because I point out that men and women are distinct and complement one another?!?!? You need to look up the word misogynist in a dictionary because it looks like you have no idea what it means. It seems like you are coming at this subject from absolute ignorance. From your disarticulate reply I can deduce that you are a kid and do not have much familiarity with the opposite gender. Hopefully as you mature you'll become wiser... Furthermore I have no idea what my comment or that of "authoritarian leftists" have to do with "blacks"...
@MrCmon113
8 жыл бұрын
DaneStolthed "because I point out that men and women are distinct and complement one another" No, you unworldly moron? I told you exactly why you are a misogynist, and you simply ignored it in order to argue a strawman. You possess no intellectual integrity whatsoever.
@flyingrancidm00nfish7
8 жыл бұрын
What I don't understand is that woman is thin and petite with hair waving in her eyes, I mean come on, one shove from a shield being held by an average sized foe in mail like the ones fighting there would knock her out of the way. I mean if she is trying to kill those men wouldn her enemy seriously think seizing her very long hair to fight her is below them?
@jirkazalabak1514
8 жыл бұрын
Maybe women think that slapping a man without getting slapped back(if the man is a gentleman) is the same as trying to kill them, and so they will just let you, but no, of course not. In reality, they would probably grab her hair, pull her down, disarm her and rape her, the whole time she would be unable to do anything because... hair. If she was a lady, she MIGHT get better treatment than that, but I would not bet on it. With regards to warfare and women, there always was a LOT more rape and enslaving then there was killing, because women were considered more of a resource than an enemy. But that would look bad and sexist, so it is not there. Another ridiculous thing in movies(set in modern time of course) is female fighters wearing high heels. It is just so incredibly stupid. The two traits you want from your combat boots are easy movement and stability, and they make them wear a damn 3 inch heel. WTF?
@jakobboller1014
7 жыл бұрын
I suspect that long hair isn't too much of a problem in a one-on-one fight because anyone going to grab for it would just expose themselves to be stabbed, but I can see the problem with it in a skirmish where it may blind the wearer and present a target to people not immediately in front of her.
@jirkazalabak1514
7 жыл бұрын
If it is this long, it is a problem every time. Control the head and you control the body. That is basically the golden rule. Not to mention that you can pull the neck straight onto your sword that way. In other words, NO!
@rykehuss3435
7 жыл бұрын
So its not going to obscure vision in a duel? I doubt that.
@jakobboller1014
7 жыл бұрын
if I were a short-haired man fighting a woman with long hair one on one, I would NOT want to let go of my sword or shield to start pulling hair. I'm not saying hair isn't a disadvantage, just not nearly as easy to exploit as you imagine. The concept I would like you to think about is tempo. Grabbing a limb that's about to strike you and then leveraging that into a grapple hold on the body is two steps. Grabbing hair, avoiding limbs and then getting a good grapple hold is at least two, and probably three, steps. Stabbing with a sword is only one step. Granted, I'd definitely pull my hair into a snood or put it up in a pony-tail (or simply put on a helmet) if I were preparing for a duel, but if I didn't have time to prepare, I'm pretty sure my hair wouldn't impair me as much as you imagine. I have sparred with my hair down before, and it went okay. Unless you have a really extraordinary 'do, your hair won't blind you very often, and never completely. You won't be looking away from your opponent, so there is not as much swishing action as you might think, and if it does get in fromt of your eyes, you'll probably still be seeing the other guy's legs and torso, which is a good indicator of where you should move to.
@Ilamarea
10 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I found you Lindy. If only you were able to make more videos more often. I can't get enough of you!
@Huvpalto
8 жыл бұрын
Apparently, 47 people who downvoted this are "are YOU... SEWING?" kind of feminists who didn't even watch the video...
@kyarimaresuki
7 жыл бұрын
I'm a lady who is sewing while watching this. XD Awesome video as usual, Lindybeige.
@psyssi
10 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see you do a vid on the idiocy of female armour. Not from a hoity-toity feminist view, but rather a functional view that shows how useless popular designs are.
@strika2000
10 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@MGlBlaze
10 жыл бұрын
One I do know of; Armour that seems to be otherwise reasonable but is shaped around a woman's breasts rather than being flat. That is a terrible idea because it creates stress points and channels that direct force and weaken the Armour that protects their heart and lungs. It might not be easily penetrated by a sword, but a war arrow or a lance strike or something else with high impact would either pierce or crush the Armour at that point, and the woman inside would be very very dead.
@asdgashash
10 жыл бұрын
We all know how stupid they are, and unlike this, which is an analysis of a movie, that would be just a rant on a very wide topic. I'd rather be surprised and learn something new instead of getting my pre-exisiting thoughts on the subject confirmed.
@psyssi
10 жыл бұрын
asdgashash Fair enough, though he may bring up things I didn't know about it.
@Dropbare
10 жыл бұрын
Asian MMO armour for females...
@ChazzK
8 жыл бұрын
I do not mind a historical event having a woman in battle... Assuming that either she happens to be particularly strong, skilled or otherwise properly ABLE to fight (hi Brienne of Tarth) *or* showing that a woman of small stature and slight build who has been raised in a lady-like way with no experience at all suddenly putting on armor and a sword would be more hindrance on the battlefield than a trained soldier with a bum arm. Now, individual hunters or semi-historical less-patriarchal tribes do of course exist, but shenanigans like those displayed above are just bollocks.
@Tina06019
8 жыл бұрын
Or, if it is her home and family at risk....in which case we all would need to fight just as well as we possibly could. That is not the same as being a professional soldier.
@ChazzK
8 жыл бұрын
Oh absolutely. "Back to the wall" is usually a better battle-stimulant than any amount of testosterone overdose.
@thomasrevill7723
7 жыл бұрын
As Sun Tzu said, "death-ground" is particularly motivational.
@thomasrevill7723
7 жыл бұрын
As Sun Tzu said, "death-ground" is particularly motivational.
@littlemikey46
8 жыл бұрын
Shame the lady reenactor wanted her image taken out of the video. I don't get the image that you're anti-women at all. Just anti-stupidity. I guess saying "only pretty women are allowed to fight" while lingering on her image she got offended by the implication?
@BasedBroad
8 жыл бұрын
+LittleMikey "I don't get the image that you're anti-women at all." Honestly, I'm a pretty big fan of him, but I've seen some egregiously sexist remarks from him in the past. (not "anti-woman" necessarily, whatever that would entail) Clashes terribly with his british charm and obvious intelligence.
@Dragon.7722
8 жыл бұрын
+Mr. Gradgrind Can you give us an example of his "egregiously sexist" remarks that is totally unfounded and just there for the purpose of being sexist itself? In this case, he is absolutly right, that women were more valuable behind the frontlines, than fighting.
@overlord165
8 жыл бұрын
+Mr. Gradgrind Can you give me an example? I'm not the biggest fan of his however I do enjoy watching some of his videos.
@7dayspking
8 жыл бұрын
+Mr. Gradgrind Sexism isn't inherent 'anti-woman' as you stated, it's prejudices based on gender...some of it is indeed warranted. A female for examples is likely to have weaker wrists, a male is more likely to store fat around his organs (with the infamous 'beer-belly'.) a female is likely to be shorter, a male generally has broader shoulders...etc.etc (warranted pre-judgments.) My point is there's no inherent issue with 'sexism' nor prejudice, as for when that line is crossed that's completely subject. To some even the mere mention of a female perhaps generally having a higher pitched voice is 'problematic' despite it being generally accurate. Again it's really subjective!
@priest9235
8 жыл бұрын
+Mr. Gradgrind There's nothing sexist about stating the fact that 1. This shit hardly ever happened, 2. for good reason and 3. There is more useful shit that (not just a woman) but someone of her build could be doing. This was medieval warfare, no time for political correctness.
@perfectwhine742
5 жыл бұрын
I guess the writers feel bad for all the years of oppression of putting women and children's safety before mens. Such a terrible time for women! There was nothing that spells female oppression more than the titanic. The poor ladies had to their shoes wet before they boarded the lifeboats. The evil oppressive men got to just die rather than to bear the oppression of riding on a dinky, un-classy lifeboat. The poor wahmen!
@Sk4llik
10 жыл бұрын
This always gets me as well. I especially hate it when they are depicted wearing full plate armor and swinging around full sized weapons with the same exact (if not greater) speed and force as the 7 foot tall 400lb viking (VIKINGS!!!) she is fighting.
@Fastwinstondoom
10 жыл бұрын
As silly as that is, I still prefer plate armored women to whatever it is the woman in Ironclad is wearing!
@Askorti
10 жыл бұрын
Fastwinstondoom But if a woman was to wear a plate armor, it would have to be tight fitting with breasts. Why? Dunno, but thats a movie/game rule.
@SuperFunkmachine
2 жыл бұрын
@@Askorti So you can know there girls an not just slighter framed men... If you look at female buhurt fighters once there in armour you can't tell
@NiekGAE
9 жыл бұрын
I fully agree. Feminism spun out of control. Equality =/= being exactly the same. "But there's this historical record where a woman joins this battle!" Yea but 99,9% of combatants were men. The odd fish doesn't prove women are just as capable in melee warfare. The reason they were in the records is probably because it was such an odd sight.
@helios5868
9 жыл бұрын
I would argue this is more feminism as understood by idiots. Feminism is focused on barriers, not on pure equality. It's about women being able to fight, not being shown fighting to fill a quota.
@NiekGAE
9 жыл бұрын
Myes Thank you
@ibbi30
8 жыл бұрын
+NiekGAE Its the wrong era, but women "doing a Mulan" (posing as a man to go to war) was pretty common in the American Civil War for some reason.
@pleasestop4785
8 жыл бұрын
+Olvirki Women were quite active in social reform at the time, spilling over from the nascent women's suffrage movement, so plenty of them were very rabid abolitionists, and thus were more inclined to want to fight against the south.
@ibbi30
8 жыл бұрын
Please Stop Yeah ok, thanks for the info :). But did many women fight on the southern side as well ?
@QuadDamage3
9 жыл бұрын
Main concerns about women in battle were not about their strength or ability, but mostly psychological and managerial. From chronicles of 16th century Ottoman-Austrian war comes saying "woman's eye makes a man weak". In sieges and such, it was common for relocate wives and daughters to secluded part of the fortress or send them away, because presence of women indeed, made men more nervous, and broke morale. Men were scared for their women. If they'd lose, men would most likely die. What would happen to women in enemies' hands? There was also widespread belief that women bring bad luck in "manly" things like melee battle (also applies to seafaring - woman on deck was bad luck). Also, women, caring for their sons and husbands were naturally worried and tried to keep them back, which wasn't good for army morale. And of course, consumption of alcohol in battle was more common than in modern highly disciplined military, so every now and then drunken fights and disagreements over women broke out in army, which - again - wasn't all that good for morale. It's all pretty logical, really. And in the end, gender roles play part too. Men, in military, were trained for this. Women usually weren't. And surely they didn't volunteer to fight as much as modern feminist or GoT fans might think. Their job was to have sons that will defend country one day. And hope they come back alive and victorious. And, perhaps, this belief served the world better than idea of girl ninjas in studded leather armor.
@shanerooney7288
9 жыл бұрын
You do make a very good point for why women, particularly cherished wives and daughters of the fighters, should not be present on the battle front. However, it is equally important to acknowledge why the women themselves were not the fighters (making the presents of cherished husbands and sons a drawback).
@Cal6009
9 жыл бұрын
There was actually a Greek army made up of all men who were all lovers. They were incredibly effective, because they weren't just fighting to stay alive or for the man next to them, but to keep the person they loved alive.
@sergarlantyrell7847
10 жыл бұрын
But when the big burly Viking (viking-ing-ing-ing) men sustain hideous wounds that cut from shoulder to naval through leather and chain mail, and the petite heroine gets, lets face it, a scratch (seriously i've had worse from a grumpy kitten), on her exposed arm. As armour is obviously completely pointless maybe her battle-frock is THE best armour for such a valuable character...
@CityofLight11
10 жыл бұрын
I already respect and agree with your analysis. I respect it many, many times more coming from the finest Swordsman in the Reach.
@sergarlantyrell7847
10 жыл бұрын
Landgraft Ahh, what a pleasure, someone who's actually read the books. And thank you.
@sircrabsalot9507
10 жыл бұрын
To the dear gender ideologues: Please stop trying to change my cultural history. It's creepy, destructive and honestly quite silly. I don't care about your revisionist denialism, as long as you keep it out of my borders. Thank you very much and please, do consider seeking help for those delusions of yours. "Ohh, but there's female remains in english gravehearths with, like, weapons and shit!". Hint: Warriors had families and most of the viking invaders were, shock, immigrants. Now, stop reading all those bloody opinion pieces and try picking up an actual book if you're that darn interested in history. You might even learn something.
@Robomatic-oe3cl
9 жыл бұрын
You exquisitely nailed it. thanks, =) " revisionist denialism " superbly put !
@TheRomanRuler
9 жыл бұрын
"revisionist denialism" WHAT is that? Revisionism means not believing that Napoleon was short evil monster from hell like historians first wrote about him, but looking for evidence and objectively finding out what he was... That has nothing to do with denialism, sexism or genders. Please do not misuse words. besides that, i liked your post.
@sircrabsalot9507
9 жыл бұрын
TheRomanRuler There's a difference between denialism, revisionism and revisionist denialism. Holocaust denial, for instance, is revisionist denialism. Whereas, say, not wanting to accept the death of a lost one is denialism and affecting the course of history through *any means* in the present is revisionism. The gender ideologues refuse to accept the fact that the amazonian battlemaiden is a myth and they aim to make their denial of reality the mainstream, despute the evidence. Which is revisionist denialism. The term is used correctly. You just didn't know it and managed to come off as rather arrogant in the process. Also, thanks. :D EDIT: Also, also, I adressed gender ideologues, but I never brought up sexism or gender. There's a huge difference between adressing a group and adressing a topic. Please do refrain from putting words into my mouth, even unwittingly. EDITEDIT: Also, also, also, revisionism does not automatically entail evidence or objective evaluations.
@TheRomanRuler
9 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Christensen Well thanks for clarification, and i did not mean to be arrogant. And by saying "it has nothing to do with sexism" i did not mean to imply you were saying something sexist, but this topic is about sexism. Also, yes, i know that, but that is what it is suppose to be, ignoring what "everyone knows is the truth" and finding it out yourself based on evidence. Nice to have civil conversation in internet =)
@DaReaperZ
9 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Christensen Are you talking about the massive amount of comments here thay say women fought a lot in ancient times? Also, have you played Total War Rome 2? Apparently if you write on their forums that you think it's silly that you can recruit a WHOLE legion of "Gladiatrices" (Female Gladiators), you're deemed a sexist and your post removed.
@pahkthecahinhahvahdyahd5577
9 жыл бұрын
Skallagrim made the point that using a longsword when you have breasts was quite difficult as well.
@mikedelhoo
9 жыл бұрын
Are his breasts really that large?
@pahkthecahinhahvahdyahd5577
9 жыл бұрын
No, no, sir, his girlfriend proved the point.
@seb8881
9 жыл бұрын
But is it hard to throw a pommel with breasts
@G96Saber
9 жыл бұрын
Seb Thus, women cannot end them rightly!
@MisdirectedSasha
8 жыл бұрын
+Pahk the Cah in Hahvahd Yahd To be fair, Clara is kind of an extreme example there. Breasts get in the way a little, but for women of more average proportions, it isn't really an issue (source: I do HEMA). It also doesn't really matter, because there were no longswords in 1215.
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
10 жыл бұрын
Regarding Joan of Arc, she's notable for her charisma and the battles she lead, not what she fought in. I don't think she's noted for killing anyone personally. She wore her own suit of armour, but what commander didn't?
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
10 жыл бұрын
Same could be said about Boudicca. She lead battles, and she was a remarkable leader, but did she engage in the melee? Probably not and if she did, she would've had to focus on protecting herself rather than leading an assault or a push.
@steeltwistercoaster
10 жыл бұрын
This movie is painful
@SkyClap
10 жыл бұрын
That Gabe pic makes everything better.
@AnIdiotsLantern
9 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the Battle Frock. I know her well. The Battle Frock is so called because no matter how many stuntmen she fells or how well trained people say she is, her sword-swinging skill exists purely for it's aesthetic quality, because boys love putting beautiful Warrior Princesses on their vases or comic book covers or dorm room walls. None of her victories will actually have any effect on the plot, they are simply there to make her look cooler and more appealing to the (presumably male) audience. See "Sucker Punch" for an entire film of Battle Frocks destroying robots and zombies and orcs in literal fantasy sequences that have absolutely nothing to do with anything.
@XxLeCaptainxX
9 жыл бұрын
AnIdiotsLantern Probably because that was the main point of Sucker Punch. lol.
@dano0098
9 жыл бұрын
AnIdiotsLantern Its probably not so much for the men as it is for fear of being called sexist for not including it. Its mostly to meet the diversity quota movies feel they need to meet today. Not everyone is out to oppress or objectify women the way some like to think, maybe its just a poorly done movie.
@AnIdiotsLantern
9 жыл бұрын
DudGuyver Look at the history of exploitation film. Look at how many scantily clad, weapon-wielding battle frocks you find there. Those movies are definitely aimed at men. Look back 2000+ years at the "Amazons" that the Greeks loved to include in their art, despite the fact that women in ancient Greece were virtual slaves with no rights. There is no "diversity quota" when it comes to these badly made historical fantasy epics. The women who randomly pick up weapons and fight do so because guys like seeing hot girls with weapons. It makes the girl "cooler." I don't think anyone consciously decided to "oppress or objectify" women, because I just think no thought at all went into this. Someone thought it was cool and put it in their movie. Because why not?
@MisterBones2910
9 жыл бұрын
AnIdiotsLantern Amazons were a horror story. Men feared an opponent so improper, and did not like the idea that they might have to fight a woman who was as good as a male fighter but was still someone that would traditionally been exempt from mortal violence. It was considered as odd as the giants and the little people in Gulliver's Travels to have women be warriors. It has actually been extremely rare throughout all of history that women were merely chattel in almost every culture. A new generation often decries the previous one for treating women so poorly, and is then painted to have treated them poorly and decried by the next generation. Females have had a lot more influence than people seem to like to believe.
@AnIdiotsLantern
9 жыл бұрын
***** I promise the buxom women on the vases weren't haunting anyone's nightmares. Angelina Jolie duel-wields pistols while wearing tiny shorts in "Tomb Raider" and somehow, most of that film's audience was male... was it because they are all politically correct male feminists there to make sure the right PC quota for "strong female representation" is being met? Or do you think they want to see a hot woman in tiny shorts kicking ass on a giant screen for two hours? Which one is really more likely? Another fact about the Amazons: they were demigods, chosen of the gods. Obviously, to the Greeks, no mortal woman could train to use a weapon like a man. There had to be something supernatural at play for such a thing to occur. Problem is, the desire to be a warrior doesn't limit itself to just men. Look at history, and you'll find, yeah, mostly women didn't fight...but some women did. Some women found ways. And usually they were scorned, attacked, and finally belittled and forgotten... but that doesn't change that they did it. I wish we could stop treating the fighting female like a completely modern invention... it's only the modern ones who don't have to hide it.
@The_Gallowglass
10 жыл бұрын
I've seen a female swordsman from Chicago hold her own against some swordsmen from Germany. She out-performed the first two fellows and the third she was nearly equal to the last guy.
@Luciffrit
10 жыл бұрын
You are talking about people from different time periods. The men they were fighting aren't seasoned soldiers and the women aren't oppressed medieval women. Pre-Christian Celtic and Scythian societies saw female foot soldiers but they were rare even for them.
@OptimalOwl
10 жыл бұрын
You should look up the concepts of statistical average and bell curve distribution. No one is saying that all men are stronger than all women. That's actually not true. Rather, the two sexes have different group averages for strength. The average woman is, for whatever reason, physically weaker and more fragile than the average man. In a highly competitive field like melee combat, even a small advantage for one group can make a large comparative advantage, if the groups otherwise have largely similar abilities. Hope that clears it up.
@LutzDerLurch
10 жыл бұрын
OSlatraigh Look up "sexual Dimorphism".
@Skalatsosse
10 жыл бұрын
Of course I can't say that this applies to the fight you watched, but some mixed-gender fights I watched it was very obvious in the body language of the men that they didn't feel comfortable fighting a woman and didn't really know what to do with her. They often just stand there, occasionally throwing an awkward punch, while the woman can go all out. In general, men just don't want to fight women, it's in their subconscious. And then (of course not for all fights, but a lot of those I've watched) the woman "wins".
@siprus
10 жыл бұрын
Depends a bit on rules. I've done quite a bit of sword fighting with women and one thing in common they have that they always tend to complain how hard guys hit. It's common courtesy that people don't hit too hard so smaller people and women wouldn't have problem. Also if armor importance of physical strength is amplified giving women more disadvantage. You can overcome physical weakness with greater skill, but in general it means that women are disadvantaged when it comes to fighting with arms.
@ElBombastico883
4 ай бұрын
The fact that her armored dress still leaves her neck and shoulders exposed made me lol when I first saw this.
@mrmegahousefly
4 жыл бұрын
I now imagine the Knights Templar advancing against the Moors behind a herd of pigs in armour.
@JanPospisilArt
10 жыл бұрын
It doesn't really bother me if the women at least look competent. It's historical fantasy after all. But stuff like Cate Blanchett in Robin Hood for example, that's just silly. Fighting in that movie was mostly ok and it's not fair to diss Cate (an actress) for not being a hardened fighter. But among the mostly passable hardcore action, she lightly whacks a guy with a sword and that soldier immediately "dies" despite wearing padding and mail. Couldn't she like trip him, or at least aim at his face, or other unprotected parts? Good grief.
@VeteranVandal
10 жыл бұрын
VIKINGS!!!!!! Jess, I laughed so much at that!
@Dabordi
10 жыл бұрын
If we didn't live in a world in which you're a witty educator on historic weaponry, I could live in a world in which you're a witty educator on historic non-weaponry.
@TheSquidPro
10 жыл бұрын
I'm sure vicious socially starved marauders of the dark ages wouldn't mind seeing more ladies on the field~
@TheIronhyde1
4 жыл бұрын
2:50 cameraman zooms in on a fallen woman's pretty face & calls out "Last chance for fapping".
@MateusVIII
10 жыл бұрын
I agree completely with you, but lets remember that some women did fight in melee, such as Joan of Arc and Maria Pita (some decades after, in the defence of La Coruña)
@ludoalta1995
10 жыл бұрын
Didn't Joan of Arc actually just carry the standard and inspire the men? If I remember correctly she never personally killed anyone.
@lindybeige
10 жыл бұрын
I know of no reason to believe that J of A ever fought in melee in a battle. She was pictured in armour, yes.
@Ilamarea
10 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and there's evidence contrary to either of them ever participating in any form of combat or battle.
@MateusVIII
10 жыл бұрын
Pakislav With Joan of Arc i must admit i'm unsure, but i remember seing something about she getting wounded in battle. Tough with Maria Pita she did fought to defend La Coruña from an english fleet, that if i remember well was being led by Francis Drake.
@MateusVIII
10 жыл бұрын
MateusVIII Also, Gwenllian ferch Gruffydd also fought I believe, and didn't Boudica also fought, other than just comanding armies?
@rhyzvanic3660
3 жыл бұрын
"One woman casualty amongst a battlefield with 1000 dead, women most affected"
@NoNameC68
7 жыл бұрын
There's this growing trend of people trying to argue that women were indeed warriors who fought alongside men, and that we're just now discovering artifacts to prove this. They fail to mention how incredibly rare such discoveries are.
@LaserTSV
10 жыл бұрын
Lindybeige, I'll get some popcorn and watch the comments. This should be entertaining. Maybe your next video should be about the Katana and how awesome it continues to be?
@gratuitouslurking8610
10 жыл бұрын
ya musta missed the last two videos relating to the katanas :P not to mention he takes time to jab at it whenever he brings up silly weapon myths.
@LaserTSV
10 жыл бұрын
Gratuitous Lurking Na...I was being sarcastic. I am a big fan and I've seen all his videos including the one where he talks about how many KZitem hits his katana videos got. I applaud him for not being afraid to express his opinions on "sensitive" topics when he could just "sell out" and cash in on making endless katana / Ninja videos!
@Dojan5
10 жыл бұрын
It's funny how people seem to forget female (and male) bodily functions in the middle of all of this. Once a month many women's hormones go on a roller-coaster ride, and they start bleeding from their privates. That's a common problem for women in the army today too, and in the middle ages modern conveniences like tampons didn't really exist. Yeah, picture that for a moment. It must've sucked.
@BigPuddin
7 жыл бұрын
You must be fun at parties.
@pseudonamed
5 жыл бұрын
thank you, as a woman it gets so tiring seeing this crap. women are like "hey, can we see more strong female characters please?" and I can picture male writers being like "ok. instead of depicting women as sexy young eye candy, we'll depict them as... sexy young eye candy that can kick ass! without messing up her makeup of course." and women are like "um no, when we said 'strong' we meant 'strong in character', you know: 'well-written, complex, realistic characters with their own inner world'. Can we have more of that please?" And the male writers just look at you perplexed, like "why aren't you grateful I gave you a woman who can kick ass in a completely unrealistic way in a context that never would have happened?" and then we're like "ok can you at least depict your female warriors using actresses that are believable?" So the actress who played Brienne of Tarth in GoT - yeah I can believe that a woman like her, if given the opportunity to actually be trained in fighting, could have been a good warrior. history shows that women pretended to be men if they wanted a male role in society because otherwise everyone around them would try to stop them. so they would have probably been pretty butch. But Hollywood can't stand butch women, so..
@Konrad_Wallenrod
5 жыл бұрын
I understand you! Movies and TV have missed countless golden opportunities to portray ACTUAL historical women of power, because they always go for the lazy "amazonian" approach - and when they do, they insist on using women who are too petite. There are so many TRUE stories that are simply begging to be told, but no - they rather make it up - well, they don't even do that, because it's the same cliche over and over again! Hollywood in all its shallow "wisdom" cannot even begin to imagine a strong and active female character that doesn't kick "tons of ass"! So, Elizabeth or Catherine the great were weak, incompetent, had no real authority, because they never did that? Also, female rulers and feudal ladies often did take part in planning, organisation, devising strategy and every other role required to lead a successful campaign save for the least useful (and suicidal) one - taking on trained men in hand-to-hand combat! Do you have a favourite female historical figure that you've never seen in movies or on TV?
@fl333r
6 жыл бұрын
That said, there is a huge wikipedia list on wartime crossdressers. Notably, most of them are from the early modern era, when firearms negated the importance of physical strength. The French revolution in particularly featured about 6 famous female combatants on both sides of the War in the Vendée. But obviously, for a film like Ironclad that is not the case, heh.
@DesertSun0
10 жыл бұрын
In the SCA the ladies that fight with us don't get kitted up in some doofy looking studded leather boobcup affair, they put on proper armour and fight like anyone else. We have a saying, there is no men or women on the field, there are only fighters.
@texxmexx8176
10 жыл бұрын
In a word: Hear! Hear! (OK, so I used it twice, it's the same word.) My pet peeve with Asian martial arts movies is the way one man will take down a dozen baddies (who mostly stand around waving their weapons ineffectively until it is their turn to be dispatched). This is error of the same type, and it really ruins many an otherwise good movie So you can imagine how I react to the ubiquitous token warrior maiden in the Asian martial arts movies! But if you want to see a really strong, capable woman acting in a realistic way, check out Temujin's wife in "Mongol".
@texxmexx8176
10 жыл бұрын
Well, yes, in general. Some do indeed do a much better job of making the fantasy look believable. Examples are War of the Arrows (which features another strong and realistic female lead BTW) and The Man from Nowhere--both among my favorite movies of any type.
@SpittinSquirell
6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, this is hilarious. All your Ironclad videos are funny and informative but this is definitely the funniest
@imperatoraugustus9970
8 жыл бұрын
Can't stand this either, thanks for pointing it out. It reminds me of those Danish graves they unearthed where some of the women were buried with ceremonial weapons, and some Ideologues and feminists got their hands on the paper and cited it as proof that, in their words, "50% of vikings were women". If I ever have a hand in directing a medieval piece, and am pressured into including a PC friendly woman warrior that kicks ass, I'll depict how that would play out realistically with them wearing a battle frock and no helmet.
@DevinParker
10 жыл бұрын
As movies are meant for modern audiences, I have no problems with modern sensibilities being worked into them (even strictly historical films do this; people aren't likely to be moved by issues or attitudes which they can't relate to). I don't know that the world necessarily needs more stories in which people who aren't WASPs are marginalized. And there is a tendency in modern times to assume that White Males were the only people who ever did anything important, which history itself often proves wrong. So I'm all in favor of showing more of women and PoC being heroic, doing important things, etc. in movies meant to be historically-based. Having said that, this video points out so many of the ways that Hollywood screws it all up. "Strong Female Characters" like the ones here are patently ridiculous. We ask for women who are more than just eye-candy, who get to do things and matter to the story beyond being Our Hero's Love Interest; and we are given untrained, cosmetically-perfect women in "female versions" of armor going out to fight trained and better-armored warriors and magically beating them...but they'll have to be rescued in the end nonetheless. Then when people scoff or ticket sales are low, Hollywood says, "Oh, well, can't sell a movie about women doing stuff."
@edi9892
10 жыл бұрын
It really annoys me in our society, that cliches are expected. Hollywood productions repeat so many cliches over and over again, that many started to believe them. The most comon ones are, sword as principal weapon, sword bashing, superiority of eastern martial arts (The KATANA!!!) plate armor everywhere, torches in cellars... We could list it for many pages. ==> people that only watch movies know absolutly nothing!
@DevinParker
10 жыл бұрын
***** ...I have no idea what that means.
@YenzQu
10 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but we are not living in 1984 by George Orwell even if you would like to. Spreading propaganda is never a good thing even if you believe it's for a righteous cause. We are not going to twist around historical facts to make them fit with some modern ideology. You are really getting in with bad company here, because distorting history is feature of totalitarian ideologies. This issue is actually far worse, because Richard Dawkins is right when he says that feminism is poisoning science. This is just entertainment, but feminist also follow the same pattern when it comes to actual scientific facts. By the way, if the women in the movie would have been ugly, this wouldn't have changed anything.
@DevinParker
10 жыл бұрын
YenzQu So by allowing women to have a heroic role in fictional movies set in historical periods, we're creating a totalitarian state in which science is poisoned and feminists rule society? Well, it's a good thing historical facts have never been misrepresented in Hollywood films up until now. Imagine how much worse it would be if that was done in _all_ forms of entertainment! We'd probably be living in caves. And here I thought I was mostly suggesting that there are female and non-white fans of historical fiction and movies who might enjoy seeing themselves represented on the big screen as more than just scullery maids and slaves. Can't have that; the fate of all civilization hangs in the balance!
@DevinParker
10 жыл бұрын
BC Fuerst Congratulations! You've done a splendid job distorting, misrepresenting and outright ignoring what I suggested. Why bother arguing a point when you can fashion yourself a proper strawman or two and have at it instead? Give yourself a pat on the back.
@DPXerxes
8 жыл бұрын
"If a war is about who has the most vases, you don't use vases as ammunition". Well maybe, but what happens when a war is about who has the most oil? :p
@lakshen47
10 жыл бұрын
I'd throw vases at fucking everything!! But yeah this has annoyed me a lot as well, movies where women are supposed to fight as well as or better than men... There is a reason we don't mix genders in sports today... Anyway there is one thing I'd like your opinion on, the archer named "Lars Andersen" and his amazing shooting style.
@AlanGChenery
10 жыл бұрын
There isnt even a problem with women fighting as well as men if they are trained to it. In a fantasy film with women knights; fair enough. But a historical film in which the ladies in question seem to have picked up weapons for the first time, they should not be cleaving through experienced mercinaries. A lucky kill? Perhapse. Finishing off enemy wounded? Sure. Cleaving? No.
@lakshen47
10 жыл бұрын
The above average fighting girls would not look like Keira Knightley, and in a lot of societies they did indeed seperate different "levels" of fighters (i.e. the big burly men and the young boys) into different units with different missions. They didn't just mix 'em up, gave them a weapon and said, "run that way and kill things". And you do see mixed weight classes and sizes in almost all sports.
@AlanGChenery
10 жыл бұрын
Yes Knightly appears to lack sufficient muscle mass to walk let alone fight. But the lasses in the film in question are a little more feasably built. I have known pleanty of finely (as in small) built women who are capable of pulling a 60+lb bow and are pretty damn good with a spear. The difference is they have all trained for at LEAST 5 years, most for more than 10.
@lakshen47
10 жыл бұрын
Yeah I just went for the extreme one, but English longbow men pulled 150+lb bow. And yes that might be true that they can be fairly good, but physically they have less muscle and more fat per pound, and men on average have more pounds plus we fight more in general. I'm not saying that no woman can fight, I'm saying that very few women can do it and only against men with much less training.
@lakshen47
10 жыл бұрын
I did say that very few could, which is the same thing that you said. I doubt though, that many women actually trained for war, as they were not free to do so in many places, and women had many other jobs than to train for war, plus it is harder to repopulate if you lose women. And average does matter, because (excuse the hard language, it's for making my point, not intended to be misogynist) you don't look for a diamond in a pile of shit. So when less women train for war, you'll have even fewer who excel at it.
@englishlady9797
5 жыл бұрын
As a woman I absolutely HATE the depiction of warrior women in movies. Especially the ones clad in some variant of metal bikinis. Just leave your head and torso exposed in battle: yeah great idea. Like nobody is going to cut your head off, or like shoot you or something. Every woman is protected from injury by magic feminist superpower by which she can deflect bullets and every kind of projectile.
@katamariroller2837
10 жыл бұрын
I wonder what you would think about Brienne of Tarth, from Game of Thrones. The series makes it a point that she is not beautiful, the sexist men keep getting all up in her business... and then she dons full battle armour and smacks them down because she is not a pretty princess and did not care about that her whole life. She trained and worked out, and apparently is, biologically speaking, some kind of freak who can be/is just as strong as a man. Then we have Arya, who is a pretty princess... but was trained, plays to her strengths, and is quite mean in her own way. And there is also Ygritte, who last I remembered is a pretty good archer. Of course, Game of Thrones has the advantage of being properly directed and not trying to shoe-horn a weak female character into a strong female character´s role. All the characters mentioned above appeal to women who want to enjoy "action girl" characters because... well... because they ARE action girls. As opposed to the princess in this movie.
@samg3457
10 жыл бұрын
Clearly a woman like Brienne could quite possibly be found as an exception. She's bigger than most men! There is a very good quote from the Hound regarding Arya. "Your friend is dead and Trant is alive because Trant had armour...and a big fucking sword" This being said right after Arya bends Needle against the Hound's armor. Can Arya become an effective killer? Certainly, by being sneaky. But, she has no place in a stand up fight. The Ygritte archery thing seems like a decent workaround if we ignore the fact that the power of a bow comes from the strength of the archer. She's accurate, and that's good, but it isn't all that realistic for her to be so small and punching through armor.
@UnbeltedSundew
10 жыл бұрын
Sam G Strength is not directly related to size. Just look at photos of female rock climbers and you'll see their upper bodies are not particularly outsized. Giant lumbering muscle bound freaks is more of a modern convention and ignores the reality of people looking perfectly normal but being strong. Go to any third world country and you'll see men there lifting heavy objects, working all day in extremely labour intensive jobs and their upper body is regular sized despite their strength and endurance.
@samg3457
10 жыл бұрын
The rock climbers are a poor example. Rock climbing is about a strength to weigh ratio. Every bit of muscle you bring up the rock is also weight which must be carried by other muscles. But! we are not discussing rock climbers or other athletes who move themselves. We are discussing fighters who move others and resist others' attempts to move them. A fighter must deliver kinetic energy and either evade all enemy attacks ( a game every fighter loses eventually) or absorb them by having enough momentum that the opponent's deliver of kinetic energy does not knock them silly. Kinetic energy = 1/2 mass * velocity ^2 Momentum = mass * velocity. "Aha!" you say. "By your own admission, velocity is more important than mass!" And this is true. If a smaller, much faster man faced off against a larger, much slower one, I would bet on the faster man every time. There's just one problem. There is *nothing* that says that size and speed are mutually exclusive. The best fighters are large *and* fast. The former is largely genetics. The latter is largely training. This is why boxing and MMA are broken up into weight classes. At the professional level, *everyone* is fast. Putting a professional heavyweight in against a professional featherweight would be a very short, stomach-turningly brutal affair.
@UnbeltedSundew
10 жыл бұрын
Actually I was only referring to strength, as that is what it takes to pull a bow. Mass in no way affects your ability to draw a string.
@samg3457
10 жыл бұрын
It is interesting though that if one looks at remains from battles, the archers are easy to pick out. While they come in all shapes and sizes over all, every single archer has an enormous barrel-chest. This is most notable in the case of english longbowmen whose exceptionally heavy draw strength was needed to pierce plate at a distance, but it can be seen in war-archers of all eras. Continuous practice with a bow intended to pierce armor leaves its mark. The muscles of the back and chest become very strong and yes, larger and the connective tissue and even bone must reinforce to handle the load. Thus we see in skeletons that professional war archers tended to be very broad chested individuals. What does this mean for Ygritte? Well, *spoiler* she did feather Jon three times without killing him. In a few weeks he was even in fighting shape again. If it were my wildling warband, I'd absolutely bring her along as a scout and huntress. She's a quiet and sharp set of eyes, and wild game does not wear armor. The band must eat, and given they are moving quickly they must live off the land. That means continuous hunting and foraging. Her accuracy makes her incredibly valuable for that. I'd be very hesitant to bring her along for the assault though. It's a tossup between "Why waste someone who won't make much difference here?" and "We need all hands on deck for this."
@VagrentSaint
8 жыл бұрын
Your reviews are actually better than the movie was. lol
@clickaccept
8 жыл бұрын
I'm dying to use the vase-throwing strat at some point. They'll never expect it.
@Thrawn369
10 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure Ironclad made them awesome fighters because they're women, but because they're the heroes. Same for the importance of one dying as opposed to a bunch of viking (VIKING!) extras. Anyway, in my experience while women can be just as good at the swordplay itself, being on average shorter and weaker they're not as good at the grappling. So clearly they'll be competent in movies as nobody ever shows the brave heroic knight break a guy's wrist, throw him to the ground, and ram a dagger into their neck or eyes
@Bortasz
10 жыл бұрын
I have request. Can you give a list of what women could do to help war efforts in the medieval times? Or if there is any good battle role for women? I will be very great full.
@Parker8752
10 жыл бұрын
Off the top of my head, treating injured soldiers, preparing food and drink for the soldiers when they returned from the fighting (they'd presumably be pretty tired and hungry by the end of the battle), and various other essential tasks that didn't involve fighting.
@JSHADOWM
10 жыл бұрын
Women, like everyone else, can provide supporting ranged attacks as crossbowmen. crossbows being very easy to use and capable of punchig through plate certainly meant a woman could use one. but they mostly stayd off fighting.
@toussaintgervais8285
10 жыл бұрын
Using crossbows, and MAKING THE SOLDIERS A SANDWICH!!! Sorry, couldn't resist XD
@ndruwilyimz7721
9 жыл бұрын
Toussaint Gervais try harder next time
@toussaintgervais8285
9 жыл бұрын
Try harder at what? They DID actually supply food, everyone knows that. I just worded it in a way to upset feminists so I could enjoy the fun.
@NancyFrye
10 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to bother to read through the comments because I've seen it all before. You knew you were setting yourself up for the flame wars when you posted this installment. My hat is off to you, brave man. Women did fight occasionally in Medieval warfare, but it was a rarity, often symbolic, and frequently a last-ditch necessity (see "An Army of Judiths", Haarlem, 1572). Some women can hold their own against some men, of course, but this is not the norm. If it's a fantasy story, then I'll buy female elf (or even human) warriors or whatever, but if it's supposed to be historical then the writers and producers really should tread very lightly. Please stop feeding the flames of misguided feminism, the type of feminism that has lost touch with reality and thinks all women are Vasquez from "Aliens" (I love that character, btw). Oh, and for the "long hair in battle is ok" argument. Really? When was the last time you fought hand-to hand with waist-length hair and armor? Aside from it getting in your eyes AND blocking peripheral vision and getting snagged on every rivet and joint, let's talk about what a great grab-point it makes for any assailant.
@AMD2ARC
10 жыл бұрын
This is like on deadliest warrior where they show Joan of Arc wearing a cuirass and they hit it with a weapon putting a huge dent into it. Then decide that it is going to keep her alive, despite the fact that say a 120 lb girl would get knocked on her ass and break a few ribs if that happened. Getting severely injured in the middle of a fight is a death sentence.
@zednotzee7
10 жыл бұрын
I read that in medieval Japan, the Samurai women were trained in the use of the Naginata - a halberd type weapon (or sword on a stick if you prefer, lol) - were supposed to defend the castles (and actually fight ) in their husbands absence, and sometimes did so. However, I don't recall reading that many of them actually survived the experience. But apparently this is why Naginata-do is mainly practised by women in modern times.
@GumaroRVillamil
10 жыл бұрын
Yup, the Onna bushi. There are various account from the Gempei and Sengoku Jidai periods. see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna-bugeisha
@lordmcswain1436
9 жыл бұрын
What about making wise women for a change?
@Cal6009
9 жыл бұрын
There were plenty of Queens who were badass and really good rulers who spurred their armies on to do some pretty badass things. A lot of them never personally picked up a blade.
@ironsidemedia
9 жыл бұрын
I like the way one gentleman put it. (to paraphrase) "It doesn't matter how much skill you have if you've been pushed to the ground and are having your head pounded in." I think people really overestimate the role that "skill" with a weapon plays in a close fight. Sure knowing how to properly swing a sword is great for single combat, but if you're being pushed against a wall, or are surrounded by other soldiers, and you can barely raise your sword (let alone swing it) then your skill isn't going to do you much good. Especially if your opponent has a short mace or axe. Conversely, if you have a lot of strength or stamina, you can likely push your way through an enemy. All it takes is for one of you to trip, and then its all over. The guy on the ground gets either stabbed, or clubbed, or trampled by other soldiers.
@birdiemcchicken1471
8 жыл бұрын
Not even Female Samurai (Or just female warriors in Japan) fought in "Close Melee," most of them were trained in the use of the bow or the naginata (Basically a sword attached to a spear), and didn't actually do a whole lot of fighting anyway.
@kyarimaresuki
7 жыл бұрын
I keep seeing "female samurai" come up on social media, spread by women who tend to be fooled by anything that appeals to the girl-power feminism of the masses and hoaxes in general. It's as if they want to believe only the West had some evil patriarchal grip. Anyway, with "samurai women" I think that people misunderstand what it means. Usually it just refers to women in samurai households. I could be wrong, but I thought that Japanese women in samurai or military households *might* have had some training with naginata and possibly other blades for close combat (but more likely suicide?), but that was just for very worst case scenario. And probably very few received such training.
@birdiemcchicken1471
7 жыл бұрын
CM Samurai women were well trained, but rarely saw real combat since, as Lindy stated in the video, women are too important to throw away in a battle. Most of the more notable ones served more as folk-heroes than key fighters in a war.
@Nikocum
5 жыл бұрын
Well, on some occasions women did fight. During the siege of the city of Beauvais, in France, in june 1472. The city didn't have any garrison so civilians took up the defence of their town, men and women fought alongside against the troops of Charles the Bold. One woman, Jeanne Laisné took an axe and started hacking Burgundians coming off their ladders. She was nickmaned Jeanne Hachette (Jeanne Little Axe). The town held off the Burgundians. The king of France honored the defenders and there was a victory parade organised in the city during which women were marching first. So don't say that women couldn't fight. That said, I agree that what is shown in these kind of movies is usually pure garbage in many aspects.
@darkblood626
10 жыл бұрын
Welcome to modern sexism.
@darkblood626
9 жыл бұрын
wowalinbie You dont think the consistent trope of men being completely disposable isn't sexist?
@AnIdiotsLantern
9 жыл бұрын
darkblood626 The point isn't that men are disposable. It's that these movies don't have very many female characters to begin with, and since the Hero needs his Love Interest to make it to the end so they can ride off into the sunset together, she's kind of got to live. Or die so he can get angst. One or the other. Films currently average around four male named speaking roles for every one named speaking female role. So of course male characters die more often, there's just more of them to kill off. Balance out the casts a bit more and that won't be such a problem.
@darkblood626
9 жыл бұрын
AnIdiotsLantern The point is trying to push a skewed version of modern ideals into films that are set in a point in time where they would not have been prevalent is bullshit. It only makes it look like you are pushing sexism the other way rather then trying to combat it. You want an example of sexism against men in media? See the trope Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male or Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male.
@AnIdiotsLantern
9 жыл бұрын
"This movie is pushing skewed ideals on an innacurate historical context!" is not a point. No one associated with this movie, obviously, cared very much about historical accuracy. They didn't put a Battle Frock in their picture to make some grand political statement about the superiority of women, they did it because hot chicks with weapons are easy to sell to action-movie fans. You asked why more of these battle frock women don't get killed. It's because there are not enough of them TO kill. When your movie only has one or two female characters in it, and you want your hero to wind up with his love interest at the end, then she's kind of got to live no matter what sort of crazy stuff she gets up to.
@darkblood626
9 жыл бұрын
AnIdiotsLantern Bullshit. We dont see more women getting killed in movies, or one getting hurt is played for drama or as a main plot point, is because it is still a social taboo to hurt a woman regardless of circumstances.
@immortaliserwow
10 жыл бұрын
What LutzDerLunch said is actually giving me a great idea- Maybe Lindybeige can make a video on that. Exactly what type of haircut did the medieval warriors have? We are so used to the long haired vikings from the movies that we cant even imagine them otherwise. But as he has proven countless time in his videos, our forefathers were no idiots- they used only what worked best. SO here it is, my question- what was the medieval haircut? Did they cut their hairs short before a fight? What about the beards? A long braided beard looks bad ass but was it practical? Having hair/facial hair constantly getting pulled by your mail would be a bad idea in the heat of battle. Pls, shed some light on the matter! Thank you :)
@MrMonkeybat
10 жыл бұрын
I have a hypothesis that Long pony tails although fairly popular at the beginning of the Anglo Saxon period to avoid being mistaken as a slave, became less popular as the increased use of mail shirts requires the hair to be kept above the neck to avoid painfully trapping hairs in the rings of your mail shirt. Eventually leading to the Norman bole cut. Perhaps the pointy Viking period helmets where originally for housing top knots as well as letting the rain run off.
@immortaliserwow
10 жыл бұрын
MrMonkeybat I agree with all you said save for that point about the rain. I dont rly think that any type of historical helmet would have an issue with that. If it can deflect the power of a blow it would probably be able to deal with water as well. I just dont believe it played any part in shaping the helmets. Plus they had another more important purpose- if it was "healthy" to wear cup shaped helmets they probably wouldnt botter having them full of water at one point or another. Fortunately though the pointy ones did better job in war.
@bakters
10 жыл бұрын
Technically, there were examples of women fighting during middle ages. Men were not always around to protect them, so they had to do it themselves (or lead some men to protect their household, or lead an army to protect their country, or at least pretend to lead an army of men pretending to be lead by her...). But yeah, overall I agree with what you say in this video. I love your rants!
@bakters
10 жыл бұрын
BTW - If you can't win any other way, you would use vases as ammo. Hopefully, there will be some left whole...
@Theswordundrawn
9 жыл бұрын
There was, in fact, a group of women that were so damn good at fighting, when the men of their land were so underwhelming, that they were officially made Knights, and given precedence over men. These women were the women of the Order of the Hatchet. And as a historian, I find them to be one of the single most badass Knightly Orders ever. Yes, women did indeed fight in Mediaeval warfare (despite historians rarely focusing on this). It was not to an overwhelming extent, but it did happen, and was not wholly uncommon. But they most likely did not go into battle in stupid clothes, hair flowing about, and were not likely to cease fighting after a minor scratch, especially when they'd have been more practically concerned with survival, not with injury (as in the case of the Order of the Hatchet).
@Cocarat206
10 жыл бұрын
0:12 -- That picture was painted by a friend of mine and is a tongue-in-cheek depiction of a flamboyantly gay knight. However, good video overall ^_^
@lindybeige
10 жыл бұрын
It's meant to be a man? Google images thought it was a woman. I used it largely because it was marked as copyright free. It took me ages to find those three images. I quickly found plenty of ones with copyrights reserved, though.
@Cocarat206
10 жыл бұрын
It's fine ^^ It still sends the message you were trying to get across. Besides, I hear "It's a man?!" was the reaction of a couple of Dwarves who met the character in a D&D game, so I doubt it takes away from the effect.
@RonJohn63
8 жыл бұрын
+Cocalin It *really* looked like a woman.
@Cocarat206
8 жыл бұрын
Oh, I fully understand. That's the point. I just recognized the source of the picture.
@Animation445
10 жыл бұрын
You should do this with other movies!!! But I wanted to ask if you think it is possible, to make a historically accurate movie and have the general public be interested enough that it would be profitable? Maybe it has been done I don't know I just wanted you opinion on that thx!!
@Animation445
10 жыл бұрын
I like your idea but I meant like a movie that just happen to be historically accurate. I just think that people who make these movies are afraid of losing money so they put a bunch of gasoline explosions every where.
@UnravellingFallacy
10 жыл бұрын
wolffe93 It's called "The Lord of the Rings."
@DaReaperZ
9 жыл бұрын
Men were expendable, while they thought women weren't back then. That mentality somewhat lives on today, strangely enough.
@Gotofy105
4 жыл бұрын
I think the phrase that sums up these scenes is "sure dude"
@ServantofBaal
7 жыл бұрын
VIKINGS!!!!
@Silirion
10 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! Love it! Thanks for the commentary.
@gonufc
5 жыл бұрын
The funniest part is that having people lose their minds over the pretty girl getting cut in a hand to hand battle and retreating makes her seem 1. Unsuited to it. 2. Unprepared for it. 3. Showing TERRIBLE judgement and putting others in danger to rescue her and most importantly 4. Giving the OPPOSITE impression intended by making women seem petty and jealous of the warring men yet incapable of joining in alongside them. Plus your point on their attractiveness- absolutely, of all the women to send to battle choose the small, thin, sexually attractive ones- I can't see any risk from the hundreds of sex starved men who haven't seen a woman for weeks that she was attempting to kill...
@AzzakFeed
10 жыл бұрын
Well, here are some reasons for "why women didn't fought in close melee combat in medieval times" : - To fight you need training. Noble women didn't had any kind of military training because they mostly focused on arts or other cultural things, while women from common birth probably had a lot more to learn than soldiering. Militia are here for a reason : so common people don't have to learn to fight and focus on other jobs. - If the woman is from noble blood, both the lords should survive the battle. What would be the point of defending a castle if the lords are dead ? Who is going to rule and take care of the dynasty ? Since medieval times were focused on the conflicts between noble families, if you leave your heir without parents it's not going to be a very safe bet. So no, let the man fight since it's his role and his presence would bolster the morale, but let the woman survive. - Honestly, in fact few men really knew how to handle a sword at that time : you need training (which is expensive) and weapons (also expensive). So you are either rich, or you need to be able to live from your combat skills. It means you're probably either a mercenary, a soldier, part of a militia, or a bandit (which probably means you're from one of the first 3 anyway). A merchant maybe knows how to fight to defend himself on a street or during a tavern brawl, but not likely on a battlefield. A woman ? Nobody is going to hire a common birth woman for a defense force 1 - How could she had combat training ? Where comes her money ? Women aren't rich by themselves at that time. 2 - What if she fell pregnant ? She would make a perfect defender right ? 3 - And to be honest, I would prefer someone with more strenght if I have to give them my precious weapons and armors. - A noble woman does not need to fight since she has 3000 + men to protect her. A noble man has to fight because he is supposed to lead them. - Common birth women sometimes took part in battle, but it would be to defend the walls with everything you have at hand (rocks, tools...) and probably not cutting a dozen of men with a sword. It was only during desesperate times that women are likely to fight, and desesperate times call desesperate behaviors. Of course, I don't say that women did not had any power or any other role than nursering children. But fighting ? Maybe a few times it happened but come on, there are too much reasons why I woud not hire a woman in my army, and too much reasons why I would not allow my noble wife to fight.
@Supertomiman
10 жыл бұрын
Is there any movie set in the Ancient or Medieval times that is satisfyingly accurate?
@jeremiaas15
10 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly- yes, but they're all Chinese and Japanese, as those cultures didn't invent that many 'ancienty-medievaly' things after the ancient and medieval periods, if you follow. Yes, most of those films will have such bizzare concepts like kung fu or ninjas, or other things that were first invented by the theatre and then, much later, turned into something real, but some of them are actually good.
@Supertomiman
10 жыл бұрын
jeremiaas15 Like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? those are cool and all, but I meant in a European context.
@King_Of_Midgard
10 жыл бұрын
I have had long hair all my life, and I dont see the problem witn leaving it open, if you leave it open correctly. Once your hair is weighed down by sewat and body oil, tucking it back behind the ears is usuall enough to keep it back, even in extremley exerting situations. Also, I dont understand how people complain about hair getting pulled, or hair in their eyes. as neither of these really hurt. The hair in your eye will make it harder to see sure, but it isnt really painful........
@nilloc93
10 жыл бұрын
you have NEVER been in a real fight, hair is good for grabbing, and getting stuck on stuff, that's why armies buzzcut their troopers.
@SarevokRegor
10 жыл бұрын
nilloc93 Actually there are recorded societies whom didn't shave or bind their hair in battle , books.google.com.au/books?id=QhuVByLAy9oC&pg=PA158&dq=tribe+long+hair+warrior&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dFvXUvKJI8aLkwW8yICIAg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=flowing&f=false , and a large amount which wore there hair long , even if they bound it . It is also kind of weird that there are many scenarios where you could grab hair in an ancient battlefield scenario . Most people should have at least a weapon , and probably a shield , meaning neither of your hands are free and thus few cases where you could grab hair . If you grabbed their hair , assuming you had a free hand , your opponents weapon hand is still unbound and free to stab and maim you . Why not grab the weapon hand as opposed to the hair ? Also my knowledge of human anatomy tells me that in a lot of cases where someone is in a position to grab hair , they'd probably be in an almost as good a position to stab someone , if they'd have had a weapon in their hand . The theory of keeping away parasites , and fashion for shorthair being popular seems more logical (especially for modern day armies , where I assume there is an order of magnitude less chances to grab hair then in the ancient world) .
@nilloc93
10 жыл бұрын
My statement about shaving hair was OBVIOUSLY made in regards to modern armies which have taken everything useful we know of warfare and put it into practice. Yes many cultures did not shave thier hair, many of those cultures were conquered as well. You linked me to several recollections of Germanic tribes, and while i'm not saying their hair was a defining factor, they lost almost every war they fought against the Romans. Also i think you are invisioning battles like they show in movies, with everyone dancing around each other is a bunch of deuls. Battles were VERY tight quarters, with battle lines bashing into each other shield to shield, to the point where it was difficult to swing very long weapons (this is why spears were not a preferred weapon if a formation broke down) The fighting would have been very close and since some shield models allowed the hand itself to be free for use it's not that far fetched to grab someones hair. The other reason is, if you take someone with long flowing hair and run them through some thick brush it'll get stuck on everything, not imagine that in a place with lots of rough edges in the form of armor, weapons, dead bodies. You could get your hair stuck on tons of things, not to mention the biggest issue of it getting in your field of vision. There is a reason most societies with more professional female warriors tied their hair AFAIK. Also have to remember that there is no hair gel 500 years ago
@robertcorbell1006
10 жыл бұрын
One word: braids.
@MeepChangeling
6 жыл бұрын
Swordsman with long hair here, no. No that's not enough. You're either a liar or you've never been in even a sparring match in your life.
@smitty3624
9 жыл бұрын
Seriously, that frock is useless. At best, it only covered a third of her heart. And that cut on the shoulder? Serves you right for having ABSOLUTELY NO ARMOR THERE.
@APPLEPIE978
10 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to continue this with any other movies?
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