i wish YT actually punished false claimants just as hard as they punish legit channels from false claimants
@MillenniumVT_Official
10 күн бұрын
SO TRUE
@May95348
9 күн бұрын
Literally, this is absolutely ridiculous. It's horrible.
@Goober2289
6 күн бұрын
Reacting to stuff on youtube is a grey area legally, depending on the country it might not be covered by fair use laws, Japan being a perfect example, they do not have fair use protections so if you react to something owned by a Japanese company they are fully within their rights to take action against you and they are very trigger happy on the strike button. For the record I agree with you but these may not be false claims.
@Amatiel
6 күн бұрын
Ive been saying this for years. I think online games should do the same thing. If your just being a dickhead it should be double.
@Sophie_the_Tallest
5 күн бұрын
This. I love it when I get a message on Reddit that someone reported me for self-harming or suicide because I'm trans and then I report it as abuse of the reporting function and usually 24-48 hours later I get a message that my report is correct and steps have been taken. At least once a person was banned completely, but at that moment I knew exactly who falsely reported me. I wish it worked like that everywhere
@eddielombardo
11 күн бұрын
I'm guessing this may be a reason why Cover Corp. consolidated their members' channels. If someone makes a claim, the company can dispute as needed without risking their talents' identities.
@Bobington11
11 күн бұрын
Corp vtuber accounts are all owned by the company because the IP is completely owned by the company.
@NarutoSakura1
11 күн бұрын
Thank goodness for that.
@MadGeneral
11 күн бұрын
Iunno about consolidation but they're definitely more careful about copyright strikes since the incident with Mio back in the day. They have a whitelist for titles the talents can stream, probably has something to do with most of the talent karaoke being unarchived too.
@Geoff69420
11 күн бұрын
@@Bobington11 Which will work perfectly well, right up until the point where KZitem's AI decides that it doesn't; and decides to tell Cover that neither they nor their lawyers nor the talents' personal lawyers are allowed to dispute copyright claims on the talents' behalf, and that e.g. the person behind the Ceres Fauna avatar needs to send her personal information, including IRL name and address, to whoever thought it would be funny to claim Fauna's live performance of a public domain composition (while Fauna herself is not entitled to any of the claimant's information beyond their screen name and the fact that they made the claim) ....oh, and KZitem is not legally allowed to make their copyright detection system even marginally better for the people who are or might eventually be on the business end of fraudulent or malicious copy strikes.
@kuronoch.1441
11 күн бұрын
@@Geoff69420If that is the case, then Cover (through Cover USA) can file a lawsuit against KZitem. Also this might be a case KZitem wants to avoid, as Cover being decently large can introduce a video streaming site or integrate video streaming capabilities into HoloPlus or HoloEarth, and that might mean a decent competition as the whole of Asia might turn into their clientele.
@kinuko1333
11 күн бұрын
my major hatred for KZitem is how useless the help center is, where most of the time you can't reach them, and you are stuck waiting for an answer, and several times the only way KZitem will check and fix your problem, it's by making the problem public in another website like twitter.
@ichigokage
11 күн бұрын
The staff never ever backs creators unless it’s someone like Mr. Beast. And now with what’s coming out about him; he needs to go. But back to the video. Most creators are seen as expendable. They bend knee to advertisers and let them show lewd game ads. It’s disgusting. The creators need to be respected because THEY bring in us viewers. Not the advertisers.
@neotagatg3238
11 күн бұрын
There beena clear change in the last few month my guess is KZitem trying to put the google ai in charge of things and when caught try to prevent the case from going anywhere. Guarantee you google does not want there gemani ai services brought before a judge.
@raylenn4444
11 күн бұрын
OR....we need to create a rival platform specifically for vtuber content, so that we don't have to be subjected to their whims.@@ichigokage
@ArcRay20
11 күн бұрын
@@ichigokage its gonna be hard to get Mr. Beats gone because youtube is pro-"using our platofrm for crime is A OK if you are popular enough". remember the lady who doxxed and threatened another user and youtube's response was essentially "we think thats fine and see no reason to step in."
@codym5352
11 күн бұрын
The " Help center" is literally a bot channel in itself and as such technically violates KZitem TOS and by their own rules, SHOULD be immediately terminated, but of course it won't because that would mean Google would have to pay people and follow their own rules
@ElderNewt
11 күн бұрын
If a copyright striker doesn't want to communicate. Then their copyright should automatically get cancelled
@onidaaitsubasa4177
5 күн бұрын
I think so too, if they copyright strike someone, they should at least respond when the person's company reaches out to them.
@xianviii
4 күн бұрын
@@onidaaitsubasa4177 this is how it works. all she has to do is dispute it and they have 30 days to either send an official cease and desist or release the claim. if the 30 days expires its auto released
@3adgamd3r
3 күн бұрын
@@xianviiiyeah, but in order to dispute it she has to send them her irl name and details, which is probably what they want from the very beginning in order to doxx her irl
@FelixUmbra
3 күн бұрын
@@xianviii She CAN'T dispute it without giving some random creep her legal information. What is so hard to understand about that? They likely don't own the content or if they do own it, Don't care about it being protected "Transformative content" under the law. Either way youtube is helping someone break the law. And you agree with it.
@Goober2289
3 күн бұрын
@@FelixUmbra that law doesnt work the way you think it does because youtube is an international platform and not all countries have fair use protections. For example Japan has no fair use protections, so if you react to content from a Japanese company and then upload it to youtube, you are opening yourself up to copyright strikes because it is accessible in Japan. USA copyright law and fair use laws don't work outside the USA. For the record i think its a shit system as well, but its the way youtube chooses to protect themselves because manually policing content and blocking individual videos in certain countries would be effectively impossible.
@minaminokitagami
11 күн бұрын
KZitem policing vtubers content while pornography, gore, animal abuse still exist in this platform not to mention those unsavory ads i been here since 2006 god i missed the old youtube
@gekirobo8720
11 күн бұрын
I've said it before and I'll say it again, one day, this laissez-faire, double standard form of content moderation can and *WILL* come back to bite youtube and people way, Way, WAY, *WAY* more powerful than us will take notice and rain fire and brimstone on this site.
@inciacci549
11 күн бұрын
"naked yoga" is still a thing, even during the adpocalypse from ancient times. They're just filled with girls peddling their OF in the guise of "education"
@First-to-last
11 күн бұрын
@@gekirobo8720whats not to say the viewers start up the fire & brimestone causing people bigger then us to start doing it to
@camtrifry
11 күн бұрын
I think the reason why the other shit is still on yt is because nobody is watching it so there nobody to report it eough for the auto system to ban or remove because we all know nobody at yt is Actually doing anything they can't even bother to read their emails.
@socialchaos1215
11 күн бұрын
their was a youtube channel who made those fictional animal and abuses them I know it's fictional but there a lot of children like my baby niece who watches yt and it kinda seems targeted to them.
@missm0ka
11 күн бұрын
damn the false copyright claims have been going wild on yt lately. wish they had a real customer service department instead of just hanging their creators out to dry and leaving them there Edit: yes false claims have been happening forever, it's just gotten more prevalent recently with a switch to more automated reviewing
@therogueadmiral
11 күн бұрын
False copyright claims have been an endemic problem since the system was implemented. I've grown to hate youtube, it just sucks that twitch isn't a very good alternative.
@zagurazexoe4357
11 күн бұрын
KZitem will tell u to hire legal lawyer for the case. Then decided to say u can't use legal lawyer. This how dumb and shady youtube now.
@BurningBridgeStudios
11 күн бұрын
@@zagurazexoe4357 Ah, did we see the same video recently? Something like that just happened to some guy that was playing I THINK valorant? Anyway he made a clip on cheaters and they gave him a copyright claim. KZitem told him to hire a lawyer so he did.. Then youtube said he couldn't use a lawyer.
@orbitalvagabond7371
11 күн бұрын
False claims are a real epidemic, but Ironmouse's case isn't so clear.
@zagurazexoe4357
11 күн бұрын
@@BurningBridgeStudios ya i watched that, The amount of work is just so dumb. So much time wasted.
@meinelust
11 күн бұрын
Whoever strikes Ironmouse: May Netflix pick up your niche hobby and make a really bad adaptation of it.
@GeneralLiuofBoston1911
11 күн бұрын
My new favorite threat of all time
@pccc5431
11 күн бұрын
@@GeneralLiuofBoston1911 hell yea
@sch3ffel
11 күн бұрын
good grief, not only that, it need to be specificaly a live action adaptation with completely random actors that cant act for their own life.
@ryannguyen7466
11 күн бұрын
Or their oshi debut in Nijisanji EN
@The_New_CrisisTTV
11 күн бұрын
May your Favorite Manga be Horribly Adapted into an Anime
@Wixvhen
11 күн бұрын
False Copyright system has been SEVERELY affecting the platform. I literally saw somebody react to DBZA recently. They had to mute massive parts of the video... And it was because somebody was flagging the DBZA audio because they had reposted clips from DBZA on their own channel. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND! That's like putting up a league of legends clip on your channel and flagging everybody who makes league of legends clips.
@Aryasvitkona
10 күн бұрын
People have been doing that a lot recently. Mutahar from SomeOrdinaryGamers mentioned how KZitem's AI system thinks he owns the reveal of one of the Super Smash Bros characters and he even has a nice handy button to claim them automatically, even though not only does he not only own the original clip, but half the examples in the list are blatantly transformative and the other half aren't even related. And he could claim all of them. And to get it fixed they'd HAVE to provide Mutahar with their full dox.
@InfiniteDeckhand
10 күн бұрын
That's an awful comparison. DBZA is content that other people put hard hard work in and the reactors are trying to leech off of that hard work by re-streaming it without consent of the original creators. Same as with reposting clips that contain no original editing. We should call it what it is, namely theft. League of Legends on the other hand is a game that anyone can access and record their own gameplay of, therefore not theft, and not comparable to reaction content or clipping of original content. Sorry, but the copyright claim is legit.
@MercilessJoey
10 күн бұрын
apparently people are saying that her account was deleted because she only did reaction videos
@Matthias129
6 күн бұрын
@@InfiniteDeckhand If I'm understanding the OP correctly, it wasn't TFS striking the reactor, it was a separate channel uploading DBZA clips. So, it wasn't Toei (for the DBZ), or TFS (for the A) with the claims, but someone who didn't want "competition." ETA: Forgot the If at the beginning. Whoops.
@InfiniteDeckhand
6 күн бұрын
@@Matthias129 Oh. If it was like that, then that's definitely illegitimate.
@Penultimeat
11 күн бұрын
I expect Mouse’s vod channel will be reinstated eventually. I’m cautiously expectant that Vshojo will be able to help, but KZitem has notoriously bad support for this sort of thing.
@theburningphoenix
11 күн бұрын
Unfortunately that is unlikely due to the type of content being claimed and as Mouse, for obvious reasons, doesn’t want to provide legal information there is nothing that can be done here, we all knew the risks of reaction content and sadly Mouse will now have to pay the price no matter how fair or unfair it may be.
@N0xiety
11 күн бұрын
I expect youtube to double down and delete her main channel too, since when you get one channel terminated, youtube removes everything. You aren't allowed to go on with alt accounts...
@UltimaKeyMaster
11 күн бұрын
@@theburningphoenix There is something you can do there. Not listen to these bogus copyright strikes instead of agreeing that Vtubers should just doxx themselves if they wanna fight it.
@Penultimeat
11 күн бұрын
@@theburningphoenix I have heard claims that KZitem will accept a lawyer’s name and office in lieu of the address and name of the account holder, but if it was that simple it would already have been concluded.
@theburningphoenix
11 күн бұрын
@@Penultimeat unfortunately KZitem still requires your full legal name to be submitted on the counter notification even if your lawyers information is the one on the document, check out Vince Vintage for how horrible of a process this is as it ended up getting him doxxed by a stalker and a troll, KZitem’s systems are only designed to protect themselves and not the creator so there really is nothing Mouse can do here without doxxing her personal information to these companies even if it’s just her legal name, truly a terrible situation.
@lAngelingl
11 күн бұрын
I wonder if KZitem official channel will get copyright struck one day. That would be a sight to see
@CuRSe730
11 күн бұрын
Palpatine says: Do it
@ReiseLukas
11 күн бұрын
Even if someone has the balls to do it. KZitem will probably have it back up in a Silicone Valley minute
@MOONWOLF7395
11 күн бұрын
that would be hilarious
@gekirobo8720
11 күн бұрын
@@ReiseLukas Probably gotta take a whole team to pull this off
@motionless_horizon
9 күн бұрын
Y’know, enough of us could band together and mass report.. in Minecraft of course
@Shroud66
11 күн бұрын
This reminds me of the fact that there is an ongoing serial harasser, yt reporter, and blackmailer attacking vtubers for being lewd or quirky. If I recall their tag is VintageBassArchive.
@gekirobo8720
11 күн бұрын
I've always said people like vintagebass will attack Vtubers just for being a bit risque yet will fight tooth and nail for and defend IRL twitch e-girls. You know, the ones who have nothing but outright contempt for their audience, other content creators and streaming in general.
@furrymessiah
11 күн бұрын
That's the SOB that screwed with Taiga.
@RandomPerson-cf3gt
10 күн бұрын
Also a fake influencer had been harassing commentary channels for years
@TakashiDemonServant
10 күн бұрын
I remember seeing someone saying vintage mentioning ironmouse and shylily.
@Shroud66
10 күн бұрын
@@TakashiDemonServant That's correct. And since his first twitter was suspended he is still harassing vtubers on his new one. Called FemboyArchiveYT. I'd link it but YT is iffy about links.
@kingssman2
11 күн бұрын
KZitem really doesn't seem to have their stuff together when it comes to big creators, applying their rules on a nepotism basis, but allows tiny trolls to run amok.
@LightningRunner
10 күн бұрын
It's not that they don't have their stuff together. They just have that system in place to appease music labels, media companies, advertisers, etc. Individual/smaller creators are more or less expendable. And creators don't have much of a choice or say because where else can they go? Vimeo? Facebook?
@UTO7
10 күн бұрын
KZitem has a fire first, ask questions later policy when it comes to claims. On its own, this isn't great but may be necessary considering how big youtube is. What makes this a problem is the three strike system where your channel get deleted for too many claims. If they are going to allow pretty much anyone to claim a video, the 3 strike system needs to go or be seriously reworked.
@MillenniumVT_Official
10 күн бұрын
@@LightningRunnertrue 😢
@andrewbennett2044
5 күн бұрын
@@UTO7they have to, if YT refuses to implement a system then they will be found responsible. It's unfortunate but when money is being made and you are making money while in the grey area of copyright you have to be prepared to go to court/ha please copyright claims if you are using someone's content without their permission. (You can argue fair use and that's fine but that's where the courts will make that decision not YT. If YT makes the decision they have no accepted full civil responsibility and will get their pants sued off of them)
@UTO7
5 күн бұрын
@@andrewbennett2044 They have to take down videos, they don't have to have a three stike policy that kills someone's channel.
@lolersthe4th880
11 күн бұрын
It's wild how people are going after a fan artist. Niji's fans are rabid - what a strange thing to get so heated about.
@ThatHawksSimp
11 күн бұрын
It feels very AI which is probably why. Why on earth would you add a random person to “fill up space” when Kotoka was right there? And that fact that people are also saying Meloco doesn’t look quite right either. Their explanation is really fishy at best.
@mejirobird2175
11 күн бұрын
imo, seems like touched-up AI art
@Azusashusband
10 күн бұрын
@@ThatHawksSimpyeah it does one of the arm sleeves is a lighter tone while the other is darker and reflection cant be the explaination since the sun is the opposite direction and even then theyre usually not lighter like that The left arm sleeve being lit up is extremely fishy
@ThatHawksSimp
10 күн бұрын
@@Azusashusband as soon as I saw it I immediately thought it was AI, it just has the generic AI look to it so I’m not surprised at all
@stonespicher2207
10 күн бұрын
Well the only fans left in Nijisanji are the rabid ones. All the sane fans left.
@Elipson52008
11 күн бұрын
why the hell does KZitem give so much power to these people? Some nobody can just claim to own all ironmouse content and YT just goes, "yep, no proof needed, you are undeniably the owner of all this content." so dumb.
@BlairdBlaird
11 күн бұрын
Because US law tells them to, otherwise they lose safe harbor protection and become party to every suit (which they really don't want to).
@jojoslameerrand9305
11 күн бұрын
The system is setup for company to company eg. Record label to small business so all that Identifying Information is meant to go to lawyers. Instead it's a pretty reliable way to doxx someone or get their channel taken down, with how the system gets abused. They've started using AI "tools" and from people who've managed to get actual 1-on-1 Real Person Support, it takes forever to get the ticket moving and the person who's supposed to help is itching to close the ticket as soon as possible so there may be pressure or incentive from their end to do so. Iirc Primink spent 4 years trying to undo a false copyright takedown and right now at least 5 regular youtubers I watch are dealing with exactly 3 videos being targeted with copyright abuse each -the exact amount to take down their channels should it escalate to strikes
@dennishiestermann3055
10 күн бұрын
@@BlairdBlaird Where in the US law does it say you don't need proof for a copyright claim?
@corbeaudejugement
10 күн бұрын
@@dennishiestermann3055 that's not what they're talking about; they're talking about how yt needs this sort of system in place to have "safe harbor". the law doesn't say which kind of system, only that it's applied unilaterally. that means anyone can use it, which opens it up for abuse. it's unfortunate and infuriating but without it yt couldn't exist in its current state.
@toukoenriaze9870
6 күн бұрын
@@dennishiestermann3055 its a law that states that if youtube doesnt want to be held responsible for copywrite they have to shoot first and ask questions later
@UltimaKeyMaster
11 күн бұрын
Also, the fact that KZitem was talked to by Vshojo and they tried to just throw back in their face "well she has no choice but to doxx herself to these people so oh well" is evil. They KNEW it was bogus, they KNEW an entire corporation was on their ass and still went so far up their own ass with "but but but but you still gotta do our process or it doesn't count uwu" is downright insanity.
@Dreded100
11 күн бұрын
So a fanartist gets commisioned to draw a pic of a VTuber and then gets attacked just because their background characters didn't include his genmates? Only in Nijiland...
@LocalTorchwoodIntern
11 күн бұрын
Literally, I didnt even notice the BG character until False pointed it out, I honestly thought it was gonna be AI related until watching a bit more of the segment. The artist was rushed prolly because of Niji (not exactly Doppio himself) and drew the BG character to save on time. I don't support niji at all anymore but will support fanartists if they were treated horribly, by the sisters or otherwise.
@Pottedplantofdeath
11 күн бұрын
@@LocalTorchwoodIntern This is the current state of the NDF; you either do everything perfect and tick all of the unknown boxes, or you're a Niji hater.
@JanitorAntisocial
11 күн бұрын
I do find it a bit odd he decided to fill that empty space with a rando instead of the only non-retired genmate left out. Yeah, he's not obligated to insert all his genmates in there but when you still happen to insert all of them except one, it's going to look suspicious. I'm sure it's merely a bad-looking coincidence but there's little surprise the NDF dogpiled the artist for it.
@HailHydra27
10 күн бұрын
No one hates Niji more than its own fans
@stonespicher2207
10 күн бұрын
@@HailHydra27 all the sane fans left all that’s left are the crazy rabid kind.
@Radientzone345
11 күн бұрын
Ayo, these copyright strikes is annoying and need to be stopped. Boy …KZitem really be a double edge sword
@akito_yuki309
11 күн бұрын
if KZitem doesnt have copyrights law, then company will use this to sue the smaller creator to get huge money which is worse. KZitem protecting the content creator here. If u asking me if sniperwolf doesnt get sue, its probably the company think 100x to sue her or she pay the money to peace out.
@Unapologeticweeb
10 күн бұрын
youtube content id system has been broken from the very start when it was introduced yet alphabet/google/youtube refuses to do something about it till the point people where getting content id strikes from gta horns or even content they made in the first place
@Scudboy17
11 күн бұрын
The sad truth is that until someone finds a way to make the people that actually run KZitem responsible for the issues their AI moderation causes, nothing will change. You simply can not argue with an algorithm, but as long as the people hide behind that, nothing will matter to them. It needs to be made personal to them, not to the algorithm, not to investors, and not to their lawyers. The actual flesh and blood people who run KZitem need to be confronted personally and aggressively until they own up to their mistakes and correct them.
@RandomPerson-cf3gt
10 күн бұрын
Yt copyright moderation is just a symptom of a larger problem, copyright law is outdated and heavily favouring the corpos
@RandomPerson-cf3gt
10 күн бұрын
I think Tom scott video on copyright summed up my problems with it pretty well
@oldred890
10 күн бұрын
I'd choose different wording than "personally and aggressively" given that time someone shot up the KZitem offices a few years back...
@tomboyjessie1352
10 күн бұрын
Doesn't mean we can't fight back
@Bobatealover35
11 күн бұрын
What are the chances the person behind the termination is trying to get iron mouses personal information and just copyright dumb parts that are most likely public domain
@ArcusArgent
11 күн бұрын
That's their plan. These people are the people who hate mousey. This sparked way before the streamer awards cause these people don't believe mousey is sick and want to "expose" her.
@CJODell12
11 күн бұрын
@@ArcusArgentThey think she’s nothing but a liar
@DarchrowTheEnigma
11 күн бұрын
@@ArcusArgent these fuckers thinks they're the heroes of this whole saga, when in reality they're just sad losers 😂
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
11 күн бұрын
If that ismthe case I hope they step on lego
@shaggybaggums
11 күн бұрын
Also sucks during her subathon since she uses her vods while she sleeps.
@MageBunkshelf
11 күн бұрын
Hey False, remember when you covered the Queen Melody stuff two years ago? You featured my feedback to you at the time. The same thing happened to me immediately after - anyone can make copyright claims on YT against literally anyone, and the only way YT will do anything at all about it is if you doxx your personal information to the claimant. You can make a false claim based on literally nothing and hold literally any channel you want hostage for that person's personal information. I got doxxed trying to dispute this, the claimant posted my name and address all over Twitter when I was trying to get it resolved. It sucks what Mousey is going through but this is the way DMCA is set up, it's made for company lawyers to contact other company lawyers, but in practice it means you can have your entire channel taken hostage for your personal information. Zero risk for the claimant, 100% risk for the victim. I had to contact the police over my doxxing because of the way DMCA is set up. If someone wants your name and address, False, they can make a new account with fake details, submit three copyright strikes on this channel, and wait either for your channel to get deleted or for you to send them all your real personal details, and YT will refuse to do anything about it because DMCA has been invoked, even if falsely.
@Reginatus
10 күн бұрын
While yes that is a thing people could do, false claims like that are a form of business fraud. DMCA is a US specific coprright law set, and so fraud committed using it is federal crime. If you get someone doxxing you (or trying to do so) using DMCA, just knowing it is possible, helps because informing youtube of it alone is a deterrent towards letting it happen and towards people who would try to do that. Get caught doing that kind if fraud, you go to federal prison. Not only that, you go for minimum 15 years i think. Completely unsure of the max you would do but that's not a thing most people would want to deal with i don't think, no matter the time they would actually do. Fed prison is literally maxsec and up. (Maximum Security).
@DeusGamez
2 күн бұрын
you tube does not share your personal information i do not know where people are getting this idea from i've used their system plenty of times when similar things happened to me. and if somehow their was a breach of data and or privacy you can tell youtube you will pursue legal action for their negligence and violation of the laws on data sharing and privacy.
@MageBunkshelf
2 күн бұрын
@@DeusGamez they do because they told me they do and then they did it. On the counterclaim form YT tells you you need to fill out your name, email and physical address or the counterclaim form will not be accepted, and that the counterclaim form in addition to all your personal information will be sent to the claimant. They say you can ask your lawyer to fill it out for you to avoid sharing your information but I don't have the money for that. Same thing when making claims through the claim system (not the content match system), the claimant who was trying to get my channel taken down gave fake names and addresses and all of them were forwarded to me. It's not about something like a security breach, YT flat out tells you that you cannot complete the counterclaim form without providing your personal information (unless you have a lawyer and use their name and address instead), and that this information _will_ be forwarded to the claimant.
@DeusGamez
2 күн бұрын
@@MageBunkshelf then youtube is in a serious violation and you should seek legal counsel you do not need to buy a lawyer you just need to sit down with one and do consultation they will help you understand the laws and the violations and explain to you what options or actions you can pursue against youtube for violating the privacy act which states that your personal information WILL NOT be superseded and used for malicious gains or to cause harm to your person and that such violations will come with penalties and or heavy fines leaved on the abuser/aggressor and guilty party. then the next time you are notified of a copyright strike that sounds suspicious to you, you can quote the EXACT law in which youtube has to comply with in order to secure your information and to check if the complaintant is legitimate. it wont save your video no they will still keep your content hidden or blocked until the investigation is completed but at the very least you will not be giving out your personal information.
@thegoldexperience8340
11 күн бұрын
"yt is operated by a human corpo" Sounds like a bot response
@np153Garlix
11 күн бұрын
Outrageous. I am not an Ironmouse fan. However, this is absolutely disgusting. There is no excuse for KZitem to be doing this. This is callous corporate evil; it's wrong.
@MrImmortal709
11 күн бұрын
To make a copyright claim on YT all you need to do is to say you own it and KZitem does nothing other than believe you. YT is too big to have human support taking a look at any case... if you don't want to spend millions on thousands of staff people for the support team, which they have no interest on to do.
@TheRealVordox
11 күн бұрын
Could be react content.
@RWhite_
11 күн бұрын
@@MrImmortal709 And as Bungie taught us, even if the real copyright holder comes out and explicitly tells KZitem the claims are fraudulent, KZitem will still side with the claimant and refuse to reverse the claims. This level of automation is just a ticking timebomb for KZitem. Eventually this system is going to hit someone who can afford a lawsuit, but just isn't famous enough for KZitem to personally intervene, and they're going to be on the hook for automatically denying them the ability to even contest the fraudulent claims on their channel.
@Geoff69420
11 күн бұрын
The DMCA law is to blame. Unless the claimant is flagged for making too many false claims, or the target flagged as having been hit with too many false claims, KZitem is legally required to believe copyright claims at face value. If a video is claimed, and KZitem doesn't take it down post haste, and the claimant can be arsed to take Google to court over it, KZitem could potentially lose the Safe Harbor provision and end up being civilly and criminally liable for literally every last act of copyright infringement that happens on the platform. RIAA and MPAA execs are eagerly anticipating the day they can take Google to the cleaners for being one millisecond too slow in taking down a shitpost video.
@kuronoch.1441
11 күн бұрын
@@RWhite_As for me, I am waiting for these copyright trolls to target any Hololive member, as Cover has both the means and the standing to sue if it ever comes to that. But for now every trolls' attempt to do that had been rebuffed by KZitem.
@Kurai_69420
10 күн бұрын
At this point the healthiest thing that could happen for youtube would be someone like Sniperwolf getting 3 false copyright strikes, you'll see this issue fixed in a week.
@chrisripley154
3 күн бұрын
That CUNning Twat hasn't been booted already? Her slop started showing up on my feeds for no reason and stopped equally as fast, thank Odin.
@_mooncat
11 күн бұрын
Sounds like everyone should copyright claim and report the official youtube channel. Maybe then they will do something about...doubt it though
@Swagpion
11 күн бұрын
Dude, clearly the AI that decides if it's true clearly doesn't care about claims on the official channel. Tho given KZitem's stupidity I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the case
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
That's been done, claims against YT official are removed instantly, they know exactly how abusive the system is, they want it this way.
@shadowtheimpure
9 күн бұрын
KZitem's copyright claim system really should require the claimant to provide legal proof of ownership before the strike goes into effect.
@Shinobubu
11 күн бұрын
Content creators register for an LLC to avoid crap like this. the only address that will get exposed is the LLC itself and not the owner.
@Shadowvortx
11 күн бұрын
In many states the principle and statutory agent are public record that can be looked up instantly, so where you incorporate or form your LLC matters.
@ErikPT
5 сағат бұрын
The way to circumvent this is the company allots majority stake to seal off- mind you the creator’s identity is concealed
@Otacool009
11 күн бұрын
Yeah there will be a witch hunt to the person who struck the vod channel.
@Necro-the-Pyro
11 күн бұрын
I feel like witch hunt might be the wrong word when there are actual witches...
@nathanielvaughn6728
10 күн бұрын
On the contrary, having actual witches would make it a LITERAL witch hunt.
@GCJACK83
11 күн бұрын
Ironmouse should sue KZitem and Google for failing to exercise due diligence regarding copyright strikes. Not every one is genuine, and the fakes need to be disregarded.
@Axelarden
11 күн бұрын
Problem is KZitem/Google have some of the deepest pockets around, and lawsuits are generally won by whoever has the most money, and not necessarily by who is in the right. There's no way Mouse (or Vshojo, for that matter) could go against such a massive company, even if her reasoning is completely understandable.
@orbitalvagabond7371
11 күн бұрын
Their position is that there is no duty to do due dilligence, and that it's to be resolved by the courts. There's no clear legal responsibility. Also, the video itself says that it was struck over react content, so there's some basis to the strikes.
@ariaroflcakes
11 күн бұрын
@@Axelardenand also ironmouse wants her personal info to be always private
@dojelnotmyrealname4018
11 күн бұрын
The problem is that that's not a case. KZitem /has/ to do this to be legally in the clear.
@TheJjcczz
11 күн бұрын
You don’t have that right under the law, all DMCA claims must be complied with upon notice. You can’t say wait prove you own this first. The legal procedure is to take down the content, notify the uploader so they can counter claim, and then if they do you are legally allowed to rehost the content without legal repercussions. However all websites opt to not rehost content until the dispute is resolved to avoid being dragged into the legal case
@SunrisenStar
11 күн бұрын
I do not understand why claimers are allowed to be silent indefinitely. it should not be so easy to shut down a channel as a third party ( which is essentially with abusing the strike system does, as well as steal money ) if they care enough to strike, they should care enough to talk about it, not hide behind the strike system and wait for YT to be lenient towards the accuser. if you make a strike, give the striked channel 12 business days to attempt contact, and the claimant 12 business days to respond, whoever does not respond via official business email can foot the consequences, and a red tag on their account. should also be able to put your channel in hiatus mode for up to 25 days, where you can't be striked / monetization during this period is in escrow for 14 days after the channel comes back ( for if they go on vacation or something, to avoid claimants abusing windows of opportunity where nobody would be available to respond ) and indefinite hiatus which closes monetization, can't abuse hiatus mode, activating it more than twice in 6 months requires a YT representative to keep an eye on the channel and understand why a third hiatus in 6 months, but not an indefinite hiatus, is required.
@acmenipponair
11 күн бұрын
I hope they bring it back or at least reupload the videos. We don't want to miss Connors walks around Disneyland forever!
@hashyahan201
11 күн бұрын
I'm curious, if you're disputing a strike: you gotta provide your personal info, but does the striker when striking the video provide their own personal info to KZitem too?
@gh3ttoduCanada
11 күн бұрын
No. And that's the rub. There's been very big controversies of, say, a scammer on youtube copyright striking anyone reporting on their scams and they take information from disputes to dox the person reporting on the scammer.
@ireneshelton3661
11 күн бұрын
Knowing KZitem, the answer is probably no.
@furbymaster4239
11 күн бұрын
nope that's how people abuse the copyright systems that they don't need to prove anything. There's literally a button you can hit to copyright claim it, anybody can do it on any channel. See if you can find the button.
@TheJjcczz
11 күн бұрын
No because you’re required to comply with all DMCA takedown requests in order to avoid liability. There is no well can you prove you own the copyright. This is because the DMCA was designed to allow major corporations to easily go after pirates without needing to jump through legal hoops. KZitem and online content creation didn’t exist when the DMCA was written, so there is no recourse and not much KZitem can do to combat fake copyright claims unless the law is amended. Which is unlikely given all the money the major movie studios and record labels put into getting the law made in the first place
@KhronicD
11 күн бұрын
Yes. This is why an entire ecosystem of small companies have emerged over the past decade or so. Specifically to provide "copyright protection" for people who don't want to deal with that sort of thing personally. Some are legit, some are basically scammers.
@kweassa6204
11 күн бұрын
the word "vigilantism" suddenly comes to mind ... yooo, Anonymous bros, you out there?
@rexthewolf3149
9 күн бұрын
None of y’all have the will to actually make a move, so please don’t make yourself look stupid.
@KINICHSIMP
8 күн бұрын
@@rexthewolf3149it was a joke 😅 they don't actually mean that
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
@@rexthewolf3149 Never underestimate the power of focused autism, it wouldn't be the first time someone's gotten doxxed and/or worse for screwing with someone's comfort time, nor would it be the last. The way of the chromosome is a pathway to many abilities some might consider honestly really friggin' spooky.
@ChrisCanCosplay
11 күн бұрын
22:31 Call the burn ward! Niji has been thoroughly flamed once again! So smooth and so accurate lmao
@papipaupanda1401
11 күн бұрын
> merch of gooba gets another run > instantly sells out HERE COMES THE MONEEYYYYYYYYY
@Divineskulls1
11 күн бұрын
We're getting to the point where KZitem needs to be held to certain standards. Things started with Twitter a bit ago but there needs to be some sort of legal precedent to protect creators. KZitem is a private company but so are TV channels but they still need to abide by creator rights laws that have been adapted over the decades.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
Good luck with that, you need major money to get that kind of movement even started. When even the big names rake in, at most, several million over the course of a year, them trying to set a precedent against a corp that brings in _Billions_ when things are going _bad_ is gonna go about as well as a salmon picking a fist fight with a polar bear.
@motionless_horizon
9 күн бұрын
The worst part is, Ironmouse pays for her lifesaving medical treatment through the money she gets on YT and Twitch. One round of treatment of IVIG costs her $15,000 if I remember correctly (she said in a stream,) so imagine losing part of your income and the stress that would come from that, when you’re paying as much as a new car just to have a functioning immune system
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
Slight correction, that's the price of a used car in decent condition, new cars go for much, much more. Still fucking outrageous.
@tsume_akuma8321
10 күн бұрын
Galaxy Brain Move. >Delete Partnered Channel. >Partnered Channels asks to be undeleted. >Tell them they need a Partnered Channel for you to help them. >??? >Profit.
@etherwing
11 күн бұрын
30:53 I'll never get tired of seeing Co-Dee being confused about needing to censor things 🤣
@Cha0ticPand4
11 күн бұрын
What??? Mouse’s channel striked???? What the heck
@Akhaandir
11 күн бұрын
thankfully it wasnt her main channel, it was her vod channel. Still bullshit though
@JustVeryTired.
11 күн бұрын
I remember this actually happened to another guy named Kaif. What he did is he used a lawyer to face it on his behalf to not give out his personal info..I am unsure if this can be applicable to this situation....
@djpigeon9140
11 күн бұрын
Kaif? The guy who does scp secret lab videos?
@JustVeryTired.
11 күн бұрын
@@djpigeon9140 Yeah him
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
11 күн бұрын
Wait just to be clear, the one where the meme of Kaifu waifu body pillows originated from?
@JustVeryTired.
11 күн бұрын
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Pardon? I don't really understand what you are referencing...
@TellerOfTheTales
11 күн бұрын
KZitem basically fought him tooth and nail to try and not let him use his lawyer though, which is utter garbage.
@lyras.9161
11 күн бұрын
The only time KZitem is ever quick or competent is when something might hurt their ad revenue. Honestly, if we could organize it, the strongest move would be for all major content creators to start ignoring content guidelines, killing ads on their channels and throttling the cash flow.
@rexthewolf3149
9 күн бұрын
You must be new around here, as that’s what each of the “adpocalypses” were and every single time it made it worse for the creators.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
Honestly they're not even competent then. KZitem's _still_ getting it's ass utterly stomped by Ublock on the whole "War Against Adblock" schtick they've been on, I haven't had to watch an ad in years, give or take maybe an hour or so long hiccup when YT just rolls out a new update to counteract Ublock.
@UltimaKeyMaster
11 күн бұрын
Me guessing the cold open line: False: It's gone. Me: I KNEW IT.
@ayamin
11 күн бұрын
Honestly it's so stupid and sad someone would do that to get Mousey's information
@therogueadmiral
11 күн бұрын
We don't know if that was why they did it. Still absurd of course.
@orbitalvagabond7371
11 күн бұрын
Did you watch the video? Mouse's staff says that this probably isn't the case. Although this is a general risk of abuse.
@shaggybaggums
11 күн бұрын
I would've thought she could dispute it using Vshojo's information as an official point of contact. Although maybe not as Vshojo doesn't own the IP or her channels. What also bothers me is I've heard of channels being restored but the videos are of a vastly reduced quality. KZitem doing all this just as an excuse to save storage space is not the strangest thing I've heard during all this. For me the simplest explanation is a 3rd party issuing strikes on behalf of a company because of her reaction content and then KZitem just doing KZitem things.
@TheSlithice
10 күн бұрын
@@orbitalvagabond7371 The person in the video seems pretty ignorant of the situation. Shes contradicting what mouse was saying in the clips while the striker didnt want to communicate with anyone who isnt Ironmouse. People often claim to represent rights owner to make false claims.
@dustnstuff7729
8 сағат бұрын
It just got worse. Her main channel just got terminated.
@Unapologeticweeb
10 күн бұрын
myth of consent for vtuber clippersd vtuber: i agree clipper: i agree have you forgot too ask someone youtube in the corner: i do not
@spitfireblaziken3663
11 күн бұрын
KZitem user support is an oxymoron at this point.
@MessedUpBrainspike
11 күн бұрын
Seriously? KZitem ought to start getting penalized for erroneous strikes and takedowns. For a ton of people on the site, this is their livelihood, and they lose revenue when this happens. An "Oopsie woopsie we made a fucky wucky pls no be mad at us" from KZitem's side doesn't really cut it, especially considering the insane hassle required to get a response from them in the first place.
@pforgottonsoul
11 күн бұрын
i think "moomans" is actually funnier as a fan name lol
@amandap7733
9 күн бұрын
I don't understand how people get away with false copyright strikes when it says on the forum that submitting a false claim is perjury and perjury has a punishment of up to 5 years in prison and hefty fines. Enforce that and people will stop
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
But if KZitem enforces it, it puts them at odds with their company backers that love have an easy and abusable system to make low-effort, free money off the backs of people who don't have the benefit of employment contracts by robbing it directly from their paychecks.
@Cowslippoetry
11 күн бұрын
To quote Louis Rossmann: "All of us on KZitem are having to deal with an automated moderation system run by an AI with a personality disorder."
@dra6o0n
10 күн бұрын
I doubt it's a disorder. More like intentionally designed to be malicious.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
Disorder implies that KZitem isn't getting kickbacks from some Wallstreet cock-jockeys to keep this system stupid and abusable.
@gabrielproulx6316
11 күн бұрын
The way I understand this, Mousey could easily lose her main channel too, if she doesn't switch ownership to Vshojo or a trusted legal party ASAP. Really scary time for the Vtubing community. We already knew other channels were being targeted with fake mass reports on bogus reasons. We had clippers channels literally working for the Vtuber they clip, get deplatformed without warning or any reason. Small Vtubers have next to zero way to defend against this. Shylily was the biggest target so far. Now Mousey is under attack... We really need a better alternative to the incoherent corporate nightmares that KZitem (Google) and also Twitch (Amazon) have become. Vtubers are being treated unfairly on both platforms.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
The fun thing is, there _ARE_ alternatives, but you try to convince people to move to any of the easily searchable sites I can't mention normally or else YT will erase my comment, like MailyDotion, Oemiv, or Tdube.
@fallenangels5891
11 күн бұрын
First a Vtuber's editor and now a Vtuber themself has lost a channel because of KZitem being dumb, like wtf...
@Necro-the-Pyro
11 күн бұрын
Who was the editor?
@fallenangels5891
11 күн бұрын
@@Necro-the-Pyro Unfortunately it happened a while ago, I don't remember who it was but I can get back to you when I remember
@byueul6038
11 күн бұрын
@@fallenangels5891 was it Shylily's?
@fallenangels5891
11 күн бұрын
@@byueul6038 Aah yes, I do believe so
@Lennnnn_n
11 күн бұрын
Bro that's crazy
@garrettviewegh9028
Күн бұрын
Sees Ironmouse’s channel got deleted: “Alright boys, and ladies, get the pitchforks and torches. Tonight. We riot for the tungsten rat”.
@cripplinganimedepression9902
11 күн бұрын
At this point I feel like it's an attack on youtubers
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
That's absolutely what it is, it's some psycho elitist backwards-thought: "You've become famous in a manor that didn't have you sucking down on another of Hollywood's many Weinsteins, therefore we're gonna make it as _painful_ as possible for you to operate in a profitable way, and we're gonna make you share what meager scroungings you can gather with us and our corporate friends." It's just another way The Man keeps us all opressed.
@KahnSig
11 күн бұрын
In regards to the copystrike situation: I swore the damn thing said you could have a lawyer/law firm stand in for you to represent you so you dont have to give your info but their contact info instead...
@col.sambers9033
11 күн бұрын
I know that there is such a thing as power of attorney for cases in which a person is for various reasons unsound and unable to act for themselves. I wonder if it would be possible to utilize that or something similar so that VShojo legal could represent her interests in situations such as this due to the nature of vtuber attempted anonymity. I imagine that it would be more difficult for say an indie vtuber, but as she is a talent of a corporation I would expect there would be some form of precedent for a situation like this.
@bluespart
11 күн бұрын
The problem is, that doesn't work with youtube's automated system. Someone I watch (Kaif) recently had to go through the whole thing dealing with a videogame cheat seller, and anything sent by a lawyer representing him was met with an automated "Only the person who owns the channel can send legal documents" response, even though the rules shown to content creators stipulate a lawyer can represent them. KZitem doesn't give a shit, they've got the whole support side of things automated and you'll only speak to a human being if a big enough stink is raised.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
@@bluespart The real sick thing is, unless you're representing a major corporate entity that exists outside KZitem (like, imagine if Ariens Lawnmowers had a reason to get into it with them) it is physically *impossible* to make a big enough issue. Even their real breadwinner channels can't make headway with the company, Markiplier's one of the biggest names on the whole damn internet and he still couldn't actually get anyone other than some spokespeople that could only make excuses and point fingers at a vague shadowy inner department that apparently no one outside of it could communicate with.
@richw500
10 күн бұрын
A friendly reminder that KZitem staff have explicitly stated that only big monetized channels get to have a manual review by humans. Everyone else gets reviewed by the KZitem AI.
@rOvertJustice
11 күн бұрын
Please YTers, start uploading to alternative platforms. I don’t care if you believe the propaganda about platforms like Rumble. Just upload so a serious competitor to YT can be manifested. Once something starts threatening YT, it’ll be forced to improve or be replaced.
@Hieronymous_Flex
11 күн бұрын
The reason KZitem can act like this is because they know creating a serious competitor is basically impossible, so people *can't* just leave. Monopolies aren't that easy to defeat.
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
11 күн бұрын
More like the names of the platforms will be deleted from comments by the bots of KZitem when it gets threatened just like you can't mention BlueJay in a video otherwise like LTT a very big tech channel you get a community guideline strike
@rOvertJustice
10 күн бұрын
@@Hieronymous_Flex One of the big reasons people don't leave YT is because creators don't upload to other platforms. Like of course no competitors would exist if there's no content from people's favorite creators on an alt platform. They don't even need to simultaneously upload if they're worried about cutting into profitability on YT. No need necessarily for platform exclusives either. Just having their content library available at all elsewhere drives traffic. And it provides insurance. VOD channel gets suspended on YT? Then it's available on an alt platform.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena They're already doing that, and they're not even a threat yet, just the other day I had a comment removed for mentioning three alternative sites.
@soonnah9521
18 сағат бұрын
She needs to dispute it but use the information of her lawyer or VShojo directly, not her own information.
@Sherudons
11 күн бұрын
By the sounds of it, it's an attempt to doxx and get personal information, though it's a scam so youtube is likely to enforce the strikes. They really need to have a mediation on third strikes, especially in quick succession strikes, and the full details of the strikers, denying any "company" or subsidiary until a name and detailed reason for the strike is on the board.
@charltonrodda
9 күн бұрын
Literally from the video: > There are no evil people trying to claim her content as theirs to hurt her (channel), or trying to fish for her name to expose it. And I do NOT want people miscontruing my words and tweets to feed that narrative.
@Cruznick06
6 күн бұрын
Regarding YT's total failure to help Iornmouse: This has happened before to other creators. It has been a problem for OVER A DECADE. False copyright claims are a major issue on KZitem and the company flat out *does not care*. Ironmouse's situation is worse because she wants to keep her identity private. She's being smart to refuse to give her information and go through Vshojo to fight it.
@MitoDrium
11 күн бұрын
Looks like another artist found out why you should steer clear of Niji commission. Out of all vtuber companies, they do have the most unhinged followers.
@BlackEpyon
9 күн бұрын
KZitem needs to be the subject of a major lawsuit. It's the only way to fix how broken their customer support is. Copyright claims should have to be vetted by a human BEFORE they're struck!
@goukenslay7555
11 күн бұрын
i mean copyright problems has been a thing for 2 decades already, they arent gonna fix it cause they have an monopoly over video playing platform. no one is able to topple youtube's iron hold on this market, none that tried to come in has been able to capture what youtube has a clutch on
@VelvetCrossYT
11 күн бұрын
Yeah and the worst part is that children are seeing this type of stuff which is a giant red flag for youtube and they Don't care youtubes just going to end up filled with bots that report accounts and its going to end up like l4d2s doxxing and bot issue If that happens whelp gaben ain't there to save there asses
@northernleigonare
4 күн бұрын
KZitem just taking copystrike requests like popcorn is crazy.
@DredgenStorm
11 күн бұрын
Precious Family, we're going hunting.
@Amainville93
11 күн бұрын
Anyone who goes after ironmouse has no idea how stupid an idea that is.
@AstromanShuffle
11 күн бұрын
You will have to hunt youtube 😂
@Zanpaa
11 күн бұрын
The only people to hunt is youtube, dummy.
@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933
10 күн бұрын
15:03 Holy cow, that's a lot of them in the Yandere category.
@AstronScion
11 күн бұрын
Thank you for the news. KZitem really needs to implements some changes to the copyright system
@qtheplatypus
11 күн бұрын
It’s not KZitem it’s US law.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
@@qtheplatypus No, it's KZitem, the law doesn't try to dox you for trying to deny a false claim, the law actually requires the claimer to supply proof of ownership of the claimed product, these things do not line up with how KZitem's copyright system is functioning.
@qtheplatypus
5 күн бұрын
@@davidjohnson4171 the law requires when you are disputing a DMCA claim for the disputing party to provide name and address so the claiming party can sue the disputing party.
@LumberjackMC
6 күн бұрын
KZitem needs to start contacting these Copyright claimers before they ever delete a channel or video and make them show proof they own the content and that the content is Copyrightable. Im sick of KZitemrs getting shafted by false claimers and KZitem not doing anything about it or just throwing these KZitemrs aside. Cops don't arrest you legally without proof. Why should KZitem be different. Thats not a question, it's a statement. Its Malpractice of the Copyright system.
@obsidiansands
11 күн бұрын
The asking of personal information should at least have been two-way... from both the claimant and the person being claimed. The copyright claim abuse has oftentimes been used JUST to get the victim's actual personal information for malcious intent that it's downright criminal that it's been allowed.
@boomkruncher325zzshred5
11 күн бұрын
So, for Sajam Slam, the VTubers worried about doxxing themselves and subbing in an IRL player, I can imagine a MASSIVE power move: Their subbed-in player is secretly themselves, they just use their IRL name and nobody is the wiser. MUAHUAHUAHUAHUAAAAAAA!!!! /jk
@pensmith
11 күн бұрын
"Vast amounts of talents being yandere." First time?
@Artista_Frustrado
11 күн бұрын
- because of course having a contextless automated system to run one of the most abused was a "Brilliant" idea! Good thing the Stadia & Glue Pizza Company implemented it - Niji Sisters is why Niji Sisters can't have nice things - ENreco was an absolute ride, i hope Kiara can fully participate in Season 2, she was so busy Cooking - except for those sweaters & Kotoka thighs, those are very nice things - FreeTheSauce!! - i love the trend of Vtubers releasing Models of ther mascots - Officer Choco joining the Oozora Police, we are all going directly to horny jail - i can't believe it has been 1 year of ReGloss - Pochi-Sensei made Reine even more powerful, she really knows what overdrives the neurons
@MyenMarlkin
11 күн бұрын
YT being douches. We really need a new streaming channel to rival YT.
@ScoutOlson
11 күн бұрын
I think it's very weird that Myao needed another person to fill out the background and didn't immediately think of Kotoka. The defense that "not every member needs to be included" doesn't make sense because she's the _only_ one missing. They could've just apologized instead of giving such a strange excuse.
@osier769
11 күн бұрын
Some fans have got no chill, that artist who worked with Doppio didn't do anything wrong, but some fans had to make it something it wasn't. 🤨
@luook3
5 күн бұрын
Whoever strikes Ironmouse: May your favorite song turn into a tiktok song.
@veinexesvideos9883
11 күн бұрын
The Ironmouse situation reminds me of something that happened to Kaif (another streamer/YT personality) recently. He made a video talking about it and how it took some legal posturing and such to fight around it.
@xinshi3090
11 күн бұрын
I remember another KZitemr Kaif had an issue like this and got a lawyer involved but the KZitem bot response wasn’t able to elevate this problem. Only after speaking to an actual human (the hardest part to do) was this able to be resolved
@momomonies
11 күн бұрын
I was under the impression that you can submit your legal representations information in place of your own personal info
@DemonAmongTheAngels
11 күн бұрын
Not unless something has recently changed. Another youtuber (forget who) tried that and it didn't allow him to submit the dispute.
@dojelnotmyrealname4018
11 күн бұрын
@@DemonAmongTheAngels That's kinda weird considering how does youtube know what your legal address is?
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
11 күн бұрын
@@dojelnotmyrealname4018 i think you have to submit your address when you get monetized
@acrow5
4 күн бұрын
@@DemonAmongTheAngels It was Kaif, got a lawyer to issue a counter claim on his behalf and KZitem said no.
@Trakmstr
10 күн бұрын
Another KZitemr, Kaif, recently did a video where he did dispute a copyright strike. He went through the whole process and got around having to share his personal info by hiring a lawyer to represent him. It's honestly a decent resource on what to do for anyone planning to dispute a copyright strike that doesn't want to leak their personal info
@SilverBlazeX
7 сағат бұрын
Main terminated now too
@Raansu
3 күн бұрын
Not requiring proof of copyright ownership is absolutely mind-boggling to me. I don't understand how youtube can run such a system in a legal manner.
@scorpioncoreuniverse8981
11 күн бұрын
Wow these copyright claims is a scam. Whoever does this to a channel they're sad little human beings.
@BoredPodcaster
7 күн бұрын
The fact that someone can strike Ironmouse's OWN CHANNEL, with HER OWN CONTENT on it, and actually get away with it, is the epitome of how broken KZitem's copyright system actually is.
@hollow314
11 күн бұрын
Everyone should unanimously sue youtube for the bs copyright system
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
You think we have more money than Google? 2 trillion USD across all users, most of which are either dead, children, or have foreign currency that's worth less than the dollar?
@LoremasterYnTaris
2 күн бұрын
Y'know, it'd be interesting to see what would happen if someone were to co-ordinate a mass false-reporting of all the official content from all the big mainstream media channels at the same time, and how KZitem would deal with all that. I'm talking Fox, CNN, WSJ, all the big record labels, all the big movie studios, just completely nuke everything official. I'm not saying that it's a good idea, I'm not saying that it'd work. But I am saying that I'm curious to see the fallout.
@simbriant
11 күн бұрын
Yea, YT is full of crap. They won't do anything sensible unless a lawsuit gets filed.
@Rikodoesstuff69
4 күн бұрын
Honestly Ironmouse putting her health and safety above her VOD channel is a really good thing and it's something that KZitem as a platform should take more seriously. You shouldn't have to give out your personal information but just give out the ones that is needed to fight the claim. I don't know much about it since I'm trying to build my YT channel
@sunflower_3609
4 күн бұрын
I agree I wish we would focus on soem of the people who are doing this shit and harassing vtubers to the point they could lose everything like how that VintageBaseArchives dude did to Taiga. From what I know he has also set his sights on two other vtubers one who dips in to spicy content known as Fefe and also Shylily who is another very popular vtuber. People who do this stuff have no life and hate people they don't like having success over them for mouse this is honestly her lively hood due to her disabilities and the people who do this shit don't care and hide behind the screen on the internet.
@jaymzOG
11 күн бұрын
KZitem continuously proving they have a weird hatred for vtubers. There's someone or multiple people in the higher ups that have straight up disdain for them.
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
It's not even disdain for Vtubers specifically, its an elitist disdain for anyone trying to rise above their station and profiteer off fame that wasn't given to them by blowing someone with connections, like Weinstein, or whoever Kevin Hart had to put in his mouth to get where he is. Flesh or digital makes no difference, they hate the sight of someone who can make it big without their express permission.
@semnome0
5 күн бұрын
I just recently saw a video about someone who made a video on Valorant cheat advertisement on tiktok, after that a cheat company made a false copyright on the video and he didn't want to send personal information, so he lawyered up, his lawyer contacted as a legal representative, and the other company didn't want to fight back, so youtube removed the strikes
@sixsaber0039
11 күн бұрын
Hmmmm, sounds like a class action lawsuit against KZitem is a brewin
@davidjohnson4171
5 күн бұрын
Yeah, Google surely won't go the Boeing route and hire PMC's to remove any dissidents making that kind of talk.
@HairFIip
10 күн бұрын
Kind of stupid if KZitem allows multiple simultaneous strikes... Like that's not how strikes work. Because that leaves no room for correction before the channel is deleted. That's crazy.
@magpiesarebestbirbs8958
11 күн бұрын
"You need to provide personal information" is a common misconception as far as I understand. If you have a lawyer representing you they would be the ones giving their personal information in a copyright dispute.
@iActuallyLiveinUtah
5 күн бұрын
KZitem needs a round 2 with the lawsuits.
@MoralTruth
11 күн бұрын
Hopefully Mousey’s VOD channel comes back, the folks in KZitem should take matters like this more seriously
@SergioBonilla1
11 күн бұрын
I find those Streams Charts numbers very dubious. Pekora not on that list when she’s had more than a million viewers last week.
@ryanlarkin9783
11 күн бұрын
I was so confused by the Mousey situation till right at the end of the segment. Mousey has a legal team, she doesn't have to submit her personal information at all. Just have the lawyers do it and put their info on the dispute. YT is legally obligated to respond to counter claims that you will go to court over it with the claimant. Whomever it is really messed up. False DMCA takedowns has some really really bad consequences if you lose (ie they have to pay damages plus Mousey's attorney fees) and Mousey should have the money to fight it.
@catgckool428
11 күн бұрын
Boy do I have news for you! Kaif did just that and basically got told 'You can't do that, go submit it yourself!', fucking wild...!
@ryanlarkin9783
11 күн бұрын
@@catgckool428 On a DMCA takedown? What was his lawyers response?
@casualmarkit9969
11 күн бұрын
The problem is the only way to get a human to help you at youtube is to go there in person or be lucky enough to personally be friends with an employee, the online help desk has been purely AI for the better part of the past 2 decades, including the DMCA segment. This leads to situations like Kaif's where the AI breaks the law and via jank legal loopholes big Y. T. is so far, not held liable to that nonsense. The law views the AI as accountable or something along those lines, that the AI is somehow the one full ramifications must be laid upon, and so the legal repercussions fissle out as there is nothing to take from literally just lines of code. (Lobbyists [Probably] Won in that Corner of this BS! RAHH!) I assume, as someone who has had no concept of Kaif's existence prior to the comments of this video, the lawyer sent an in person representative or hard copy mail form of the documents with a *cough* -Curt- letter to the HQ, and so a human was forced to pick up the case and allow the lawyer in on it. The trouble would then be Silicon Valley's existance in its current state making going to any HQ as an outsider a real pain in the bum; as Bad Traffic with Bloated daily schedules is likely far more tolerable than an incompetant AI, even if its some of the worst in the entire country of the US.
@ryanlarkin9783
10 күн бұрын
@casualmarkit9969 That just reinforces my point. Get a lawyer, Alphebet can't and won't ignore a lawsuit. Mousey and Vshojo have plenty of money to do it.
@ubium6184
10 күн бұрын
За@@casualmarkit9969
@evandavis5223
7 күн бұрын
"We only help partnered channels" "But my channel WAS partnered!" "But that channel's gone, so you don't have a partnered channel."
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