While hunting here in norther Minnesota My Dad shot a doe with his 30-06. He was aiming for the front shoulder but the bullet hit a sapling that was about 3 feet from the deer. It deflected the bullet so much that it struck the deer in the neck instead of the point of aim. The bullet was already mushroomed or tumbling so it plowed a huge hole through her neck. It completely severed it's spine and destroyed enough of the muscle tissue that when we went to remove the hide the head fell off.
@toddk1377
2 жыл бұрын
I would believe that. I've seen bullets ricochet off from poa and tumble. 223 is horrible for this. The faster and lighter the round is, the higher probability of that happening. Even happens on a 30-30, but use a 30-06 with a 220 grain sp, it's like a dump truck, it plows through brush pretty well. The heavier and slower projectile perform better. Only thing better than the heavy weight rifles is a shotgun with a slug or buckshot, but then you lose the range capabilities most of the heavier rifles have and the better accuracy.
@theycalledhimfred17
2 жыл бұрын
I always thought brush guns meant a gun that fires a round that isn't easily deflected by some branch twig or something like that. Always kinda subconsciously viewed lever guns as the type of gun that would have those traits. 45-70 being the best for that.
@williamwinn948
2 жыл бұрын
thats what we call them here in NH
@russbohman9577
2 жыл бұрын
I always viewed a brush gun as a POS that you could take into thick bush and not worry about the brush scratching your gun up as you plow through the thick.
@MRsolidcolor
2 жыл бұрын
brush gun to me is a gun that you just get out and hump. light weight heavy grain. but i guess its what ever you make it.. not a huge fan of shooting though brush..
@foxhound9285
Жыл бұрын
A gun for a area with very thick with bushes and branches, where encounters are close.
@philliposip1108
Жыл бұрын
yes not to shoot through brush, its condense and good to travel and not hit things with
@raifsevrence
2 жыл бұрын
That Henry looks *good* with the modern kit attached. Really dig that handguard coupled with the new top rail. I've seen plenty of derogatory comments aimed at modernized lever guns. To me, this is no different than modernizing an AK or even an AR. AR's are some of the most modular rifles on the market, but we all know they didn't start out that way. Everything deserves the chance to evolve to take advantage of all the advances in weapons accessories. Lever guns are too much fun and too practical to dismiss them for being obsolete or obsolescent. Edit: *Shit eating grin* I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for the content.
@joshmajor8662
2 жыл бұрын
Hellz yeah Curt!! That 45-70 looks awesome. I’m in Kentucky, it’s a “Shoot through brush” brush gun to me Lol
@ScrtyGrd
2 жыл бұрын
I got my Henry .45-70 before they had side gates. I still love it.
@codyrivenburgh7645
2 жыл бұрын
To me a brush gun is short light and handy...snag free....and also big bore to punch thru brush.....a short 4570 lever action with a red dot is my brush gun of choice and it seams to work perfectly for me
@colt10mmsecurity68
2 жыл бұрын
Without watching this video yet, I felt compelled to comment first and based on the title alone. My answer to the title’s question: YES it’s a brush gun. Ive been using the Remington green/yellow box 405gr SJSP’s on black bear and pigs in thick brush for over 25 years. It just works.
@brianlafollette7530
2 жыл бұрын
I would have brought some 45-70 up to you. Been happy to do it.
@danpatton3891
Жыл бұрын
I bought a 444SS and an 1895 45-70 to defeat heavy brush within 35 yards. This was due to the dense brush where I hunted. The longest shot could only be 35 yards. The 45-70 was a beast, The 444 came a close second. Neither round would penetrate trees, which could potentially, place another hunter in jeopardy.
@TheCowboyfromhell87
2 жыл бұрын
I own both Henry's and older Marlins. To say one is far and away better than the other is huge stretch. They are both fantastic and high quality rifles. Now Remlins maybe a different story, but I don't have any experiencewith those. Doesn't matter though since we have yet to see what Ruger/Marlin is going to produce.
@bruceb9515
2 жыл бұрын
45/70 is a great bear gun. Many carry it where I live in Alaska, as do I. Fun to shoot too!
@RadDadisRad
2 жыл бұрын
45-70 is THE brush gun. Not sure anything else qualifies as a better brush gun in North America and the Lehigh extreme penetrator is the best projectile I’ve ever seen used from it. It destroys bone better than anything.
@Cyotis
2 жыл бұрын
That 3rd definition is a clever idea. You would still want a clean shot to your target but if you missed or passed through you dont have to worry about the round going too much farther .
@contrabassbob
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see some .44 lever gun tests. Perhaps with some hard cast ~300 grain bullets?
@Cincinnatis
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good looking mix of old and new school
@smokerx893
2 жыл бұрын
i am beginning to think that we are never going to have access to ammo the way we should ever again. and whats even worse is most wont even understand how or why this was able to happen.
@houtzyboy2
2 жыл бұрын
from northwest ohio here, and 45-70 fits my uses much better since we are a stright wall state, because in this area you will rarely have shots more than 100, maybe 200 if youre lucky. And typically there are residents all around you within 400-500 yards so you have to be very careful about what and where you are shooting.
@Chrome98105
2 жыл бұрын
That's OK, my beautiful, reliable, and not-all-that-expensive Marlin 1895 and I still like your videos. And I'm a huge fan of the Lehigh copper and brass bullets.
@AirborneSapper82
2 жыл бұрын
Great Video. I really like that Henry and the way its set up.
@DanielBoone337
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you threw that in the video about this isn't exactly something that should be done... Every year you hear about some person getting killed by some jackass shooting at movement in brush and not being able to positively identify what they were shooting or what was around what they were shooting at... Entertaining video though it's kind of crazy that the bullet managed to hit the target with any degree of accuracy at 50 yards after shooting through stuff like that especially when you shot through the board...
@pheonixostapowich3797
2 жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see .458 socom, especially with machined bullets like the .45-70 here. My understanding is that it's similar to some .45-70 loads ballistically speaking. I wonder how differently high weight subsonic such as 600 grain projectiles would perform from low weight supers.
@shmave20
2 жыл бұрын
In my growing up in the brush the most common round wasn't a thing you used what ever your family had and maybe a buddy if ya needed some ammo. That being said 8mm Mauser is what my family had and used the guns were cheap ammo available but we also reloaded this for hunting but my friends used different rounds but it didn't matter you used what was available thanks for the videos they are pretty good...
@MjS-zb6jr
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I'm not the only person that would love to see you try 112gr, 110gr and 100gr .223/5.56 ammo (seeing as so many people already have a .223/5.56 rifle)
@nunyabidniz2868
2 жыл бұрын
That would be a neat trick. Where do you think he's going to find the 1:5" twist barrel he's going to need to stabilize a .22 bullet that long?
@toddk1377
2 жыл бұрын
I would try 75-77 grain. The heavier projectiles aren't very common fir 5.56. However, it still will suck balls going through brush. I've shot at enough coyotes in mild, like I said, mild brush to know, lol.
@neilphelps6142
2 жыл бұрын
I love my 30.30 lever brush gun.
@RiqueReelz
3 ай бұрын
I’d say another reason someone would own a marlin is because their guns are replicas of the old lever guns. Still got a Henry though!!
@bigfunwmu
2 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see 17 HMR for the "breaks up in brush" thing. Head-shots on squirrels or rabbits without meat damage, supposedly less worry about pass-through or misses. The CCI VNT (not TNT) bullets have a very thin jacket that supposedly helps with this, I can't get them to group better than about 3 moa so I can send you a few boxes if you want to test them. Also the CCI segmented subsonic 22lr rounds for their unique bullet construction that comes apart quite readily on hitting things made of meat.
@toddk1377
2 жыл бұрын
My dad has a 17 hmr, a savage bolt action. Hard to find ammo that groups well in that rifle. Only ammo that does is the hornady 20 grain hollow points. I've seen the game he has shot with it, squirrels, rabbits, racoons, wood chucks, ect. It kills them all very well but more times than not, on racoons and wood chucks if the projectile hits a bone it doesn't pass all the way through, sometimes some fragments do, but he says it works a heck of a lot better than a 22lr does and I would believe it.
@bigfunwmu
2 жыл бұрын
@@toddk1377 My 17 is a Ruger, sounds pretty similar for bullet weight and groups actually.
@toddk1377
2 жыл бұрын
@@bigfunwmu I'm wondering if that's more common than we thought. I was thinking maybe it was just my dad's gun but if you have a rifle that is like that too and a different brand, perhaps the twist rate on these barrels are optimized for the 20 grain pills more so than the 17 grain.
@tacomas9602
2 жыл бұрын
@@toddk1377 exactly why I actually sold mine. Took the money and bought a .22LR MK II. Plopped a $400 variable power scope to help my welder eyes out and I can hit a pop can better than I did with the .17
@toddk1377
2 жыл бұрын
@@tacomas9602 There are some damn good 22 rifles out there. However, I got away from rimfires a long time ago. I got into the air rifle game since it's much less noise and plenty for squirrels and stuff within 15 yards. Everything else I'll just use a center-fire.
@toddk1377
2 жыл бұрын
Up in MI, I've always heard the definition of a brush gun as a short handy type of carbine or shorter rifle. I heard this over 20 years ago long before the internet was a real thing. I think imo, that was probably the original definition, but then started to evolve to the caliber kind of definition. To me, my brush gun is either my Sears model 54 30-30Win or my Marlin 35Rem. Only thing that I have that works just as good and if nit better, is my 12 gauge with slugs or 00buck. However my first choice is usually the 30-30win. It's good from 0-200 yards with Hornady Lever-evolution 160grain A-max or whatever it's called. I like the 35Rem but with a 200 grain pill, it has a lot of drop beyond 150 yards and the projectiles don't expand very well at the lower velocities but it's a dump truck 100 yards and in.
@rtk114
2 жыл бұрын
Try .243 80gr PSP, just the basic cheap(ish) stuff. That’s the sweat spot for .243 and deer plus its not going to bust through to much brush if you miss.
@abitofapickle6255
2 жыл бұрын
That mlok set would look awesome on a 1885 Highwall
@pulldeauxduck2480
2 жыл бұрын
Cool rail from mid -west The Teton is well done ! Haven’t done accuracy test yet ! Tested more stuff in 458 win mag / no sticks 🎯
@jimlamanna7564
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@954dsm25psi
2 жыл бұрын
Always love the information
@reedwally6143
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the 358 Winchester especially since you can build a AR 10 in it
@fourc3353
2 жыл бұрын
Lucky Gunner did a similar comparison to yours, equally as useful in information
@dustinpribble1546
2 жыл бұрын
If u wanna test the definition of brush gun u need to try ammo that gets deflected by brush like a lot of the more aerodynamic rounds similar to 308 and such... Brush gun refers to the least deflected by brush
@LaG-DeMoN
2 жыл бұрын
Test 6.5 grendel and creedmoor
@NCrdwlf
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of Grendel, but think it would deflect pretty bad .
@jeremyfortune7274
2 жыл бұрын
.444 Marlin is another good option. The 444 holds up at distance better. I’ve never done a liger brush test like this though. It’s a huge chunk of bullet either caliber you pick!
@Mong0thepawn
2 жыл бұрын
I have shot a few Henry rifles and I never had a bad experience. I do wish that Henry would offer a lever gun that could eat 45 Colt or 454 Casull. I like the Hornady .452" FTX rifle bullets a lot for the Bushmaster 450. The BM450 also performs well with the 225 grain FTX pistol bullets. The semi-auto BM 450 rifles can't reliably feed the .452" XTP pistol bullets and I bet a lever action would have no issues feeding them. That XS Sight is the single best upgrade that I have put on a Marlin 336. I would not have it any other way.
@ja0298
2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see 357 out of a carbine. I’ve been loading 357 mag for a while, and have been wanting a carbine. Really wanting the model X so I can put my YHM R9 on it. Also on the fence of getting a t/c contender “pistol”, putting a brace on it with a 10” barrel.
@vikingsoftpaw
2 жыл бұрын
.357 Mag out of alever action carbine will give you .30 carbine performance.
@ja0298
2 жыл бұрын
@@vikingsoftpaw Already know that. I still want to see it in a video.
@larriefunk359
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this Channel. I would be interested in seeing information on the .444 Remington magnum and the .460 Smith And Wesson magnum. Thanks again, L. R. Funk
@Kross8761
2 жыл бұрын
I think shooting through "brush" is less than ideal (mainly for target identification reasons) but workable, but my definition of brush stop at sticks and twigs, you should NEVER intentionally shoot *through* an obstruction to hit a game animal if you consider yourself an ethical hunter (there's always the potential for an accidental shot through a sapling or something you weren't aware was directly in the bullet's path, but that shouldn't be intentional) and for that application I think the slower heavier projectiles lend themselves better for that. High velocity *tends* to have a high correlation with higher likelihood of upset upon ANY impact (it's kinda why 5.56 works great at very high velocity, but depending on the type of projectile can suffer as it loses that high velocity) like how 9mm and 45acp tend to penetrate "soft barriers" like drywall and plywood and still have more energy and less deflection than something like 5.56, I consider myself a student on this subject, by no means a master, so if anyone has additional data for either side of the argument I'd love to see it.
@shamrock1738able
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome series actually what brought me to the channel. I would love to see the 32 win special but is hard to find. So my vote is on the 350 legend. Or dare I say that dastardly 450BM.
@thomashalley7258
2 жыл бұрын
My understanding of brush gun was a flat nosed bullet that doesn't deflect off brush like a spritzer bullet gun does. Usually that means cowboy guns with a mag tube don't pointy round are not the safest in.
@VSO_Gun_Channel
2 жыл бұрын
That is not a thing
@thomashalley7258
2 жыл бұрын
@@VSO_Gun_Channel spitzer. Phone auto corrected and I didn't catch it.
@Jamiro11lol
2 жыл бұрын
Please try a .338 Lapua. My guess it won't even care about the brush and just keep on going till it hits dirt
@Generic_Username_0331
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not saying you’re responsible for the XS rail but I called them about 2 years ago asking the same thing and they said just flat out no.
@Chato4570
2 жыл бұрын
444 Marlin, 458 Socom and 35 Whelen
@mohammedcohen
2 жыл бұрын
...the 7.62x54R out of an M44 is to me an excellent 'brush gun'...especially with a 'Brass Stacker' no tap mount and a LER scope.
@50-110nut
2 жыл бұрын
You should try a new Winchester 1886 that has been converted into a 50- 110 shooting 700 grain hard cast bullets
@panthermartin7784
2 жыл бұрын
I cant imagine going into a Northern Canadian guided camp and asking if a 45/70 is a bush gun, might as well ask if anyone there has ever heard of a ..303 British.
@Highjak86
2 жыл бұрын
7:51 I died. LOL. Love it.
@bryanduchane2371
2 жыл бұрын
Love the 9mm Leigh defender ammo!! Absolutely the most consistent penetration of any bullet ever produced!!! 16-18" if penetration regardless of the barrier!!!
@blkrussianlom4657
2 жыл бұрын
9 mm is a gd tool day to day I'm a Beretta fan myself however SIG is more comfy . Ijs
@RadDadisRad
2 жыл бұрын
That Lehigh penetrator is absolutely INSANE. It blows hard cast out of the water. Better ballistics.
@bobbertbobberson6725
2 жыл бұрын
A light and handy rifle, with a high damage caliber, but has more forgiving soft backdrops? So a CAR-15 in 55gr or medium game loadings then.
@Sman7290
2 жыл бұрын
It was probably legit considering all of those impacts were under 4" total AND the group was still centered on where you had it sighted at. Scary thought, huh?
@vikingsoftpaw
2 жыл бұрын
Many of us already knew that Henry Arms listens to their customer base. Case in point: the .41 Mag.
@MrKingArthurhk
2 жыл бұрын
I am curious about the .308. The 556 wound be deflected in bizarre ways in brush.
@barcelona2170
2 жыл бұрын
I have curly hair. So a brush gun doesn't work well for me. I prefer a comb gun.
@NCrdwlf
2 жыл бұрын
Fudd level .44 Deerfield carbine comment about bushes and deers .
@MrIdasam
2 жыл бұрын
We'll see what happens when Ruger starts producing Marlins again.
@rjakiel73
2 жыл бұрын
458 SOCOM and a Brush Pistol in 460 Rowland
@hunterlacombe8755
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t believe you can call it a brush gun at all but I would love to see how an AK round performs under this exact text. I’ve got an AR chambered in 7.62x39 and shot a wild hog through a 2x4 before. (Was not intentional!)
@bdlit7165
2 жыл бұрын
Should try small hi velocity. 223 or 243
@CtrlAltRetreat
2 жыл бұрын
If someone was looking for definition 3, if think the basic solution would be shotgun. I can't think of a reason why someone looking for those characteristics would look for a rifle to outperform a shotgun by that criteria.
@philipfreeman72
2 жыл бұрын
I used to shoot a Swede 6.5 with 90 gr noslers for deer at accuracy load .
@rufusrizzo78
2 жыл бұрын
How about 454 Casull/460V? Or some of the new straight wall calibers, 350 Legand, 450 bushmaster. 450 must be a brush gun, it's a "bush" master. I just got a 460, and thinking about a 454 Rossi 95, because I don't want to pay for a Big Horn Armory.
@EAZY-ME
2 жыл бұрын
Love the content!
@JimiBones
7 ай бұрын
Here's something mind blowing for ya, Henry rifles are cheaper than Marlins now
@123456789017304
2 жыл бұрын
Marlin offers more features than Henry for my use at a cheaper price and comparable quality that’s why I choose marlin over Henry. Plus they are much sexier.
@crazylikeafox1000
2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see with branches up close to target.the bullet will not have the same FPS and may deflect more.
@That_Guy5575
2 жыл бұрын
"Any caliber" Could we get some... 500 Auto Max??? :D
@heinrichstyer5388
2 жыл бұрын
Very informative content. Keep up the great work Bro.
@freshfowler1398
2 жыл бұрын
35 Whelen would make sense to try this caliber next. Lots of velocity and weight with 220-250 grn projectiles seems pretty decent and has worked excellent for me here in South Louisiana & in Mississippi on both 🦌🐗💯!
@tearlachsinclair1610
2 жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see how the other calibers perform in the same test
@brazzy1467
2 жыл бұрын
Test a 35 Whelen. I hunt with one back home in Missippi.
@DaveL9170
2 жыл бұрын
Do this same test with a .375H&H mag with 350 grain Woodleigh solids. Trust me on this.
@schrodingersgat4344
2 жыл бұрын
I think you have missed a contender, There is an Englishman that 3-D printed two conversions for the Ruger 96 in .44 magnum. One is a "conventional" ,folding stock and is magazine fed. The other is a BELT FED bullpup.
@50-110nut
2 жыл бұрын
You need to test some 50 Alaskan and some 50 - 110 WCF
@edwardpfister651
2 жыл бұрын
Curt, .45 Colt, please... I have a Henry all-weather in that caliber with a companion S&W Mountain revolver. They are both designed for "brush country"...
@tonywentoutside
2 жыл бұрын
Im amazed how close we live to each other. Im just in NE ohio, wish i had a place to shoot like you do!
@Logan-pc1lm
2 жыл бұрын
On next months episode will we see if .44 magnum is a brush gun? Stay tuned!
@secondamendment1927
2 жыл бұрын
56-56 spencer. Because I'm a smart ass.
@jacobmoore7650
2 жыл бұрын
50 Beowulf is often compared against 45-70, hunting bullet weights are similar; the Beo is slightly slower but also has less recoil. I am curious how it preforms in this test, especially with it’s larger diameter.
@inyourdefense0
2 жыл бұрын
My Henry X-gun is 357.
@cplusmcretired
2 жыл бұрын
I always thought a brush gun was similar to the African bush gun... a high caliber gun you carry for defense against dangerous game. You typically have the rifle you hunt with, then you have someone else with the gun that will put a lion down if he coming at you. Because both scenarios involve dense vegetation where dangerous animals can be 20ft of you without you knowing it, a brush gun would be effective at putting down a charging bear, moose, wolf, mountain lion, etc... at close range. Because of the close proximity, the stopping power needed is much higher while the distance being shot is much lower. Probably not as many fun things to do with that definition though.
@mikebryant8082
2 жыл бұрын
.32 Winchester special please.
@LiveFreeorDive87
2 жыл бұрын
I'm still trying to get some ammo for my henry x chamberd in 45-70. I should have done more research i figured 45-70 was a pretty popular hunting round before the ammo frenzy. Im gonna see if you've got anything on reloading.
@APGT90
2 жыл бұрын
Same bro same. I bought a Marlin GBL last year and 45-70 ammo was about $1.50 a round then. Now it's about $3-8 a round depending what you get. I find mom and pop gun stores are the cheapest and easiest place to find them
@davidjernigan8161
2 жыл бұрын
500 magnum. You would have to get a Thompson center single shot.
@makevelicustoms
2 жыл бұрын
338 Spectre and 45 Raptor, no one ever talks about them 😕
@dylanschulz2404
2 жыл бұрын
Have you shot 500 grain + subs out of it? If so does the 1-20 twist stabilize that bullet? Thanks.
@wegmandan
2 жыл бұрын
You should try the BFR 45\70. It's a push. I swear. But that's if you can find ammo. I have the Henry and Marlin rifles. And my BFR, I had a custom holster made. Just saying. And I run a S&W 500 up to 700 wad cutters. You will need two hands. Corbin 44p, you can still shoot one handed. If you don't limp wrist.
@joelt5680
2 жыл бұрын
Brushguns in the PNW are for dense forests that only shot at short range. Nobody shoots through branches
@Cyotis
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Definitely would be interested in seeing if other 45/70 bullets have s similar result. If not then perhaps try machined bullets in the other calibers ?
@DB2A7
2 жыл бұрын
Impressive
@binalith4898
2 жыл бұрын
you hunt in the brush. some guys, a long time ago thought maybe big bullets smashed through brush. they were wrong. done.
@matthewh.4876
2 жыл бұрын
700 nitro should be tested next.... and bring back the combat wombat! I haven't seen him since the early days of this channel. I wonder what happened to him...
@LifeSavingDefense
2 жыл бұрын
At least you’re not looking for 50-70 gov….. I have springfield rolling block that one day I will get to shoot
@JackSpadeTaylor
2 жыл бұрын
One day hopes to see a .700 Nitro :P
@mikesimmons8787
2 жыл бұрын
Good video.
@James-cr5mc
2 жыл бұрын
Best lever action caliber?
@michaeljoyce3153
2 жыл бұрын
A brush gun is not a hunting gun. A brush gun is a self defense tool in thick woods that can hit say a charging bear threw brush as everyone knows a fast pointy bullet likes to deviate off target. While a slow heavy blunt in comparison bullet likes to use its mass to stay relatively straight. ie a 223/556 versus a 30-30.
@TheSteelArmadillo
2 жыл бұрын
“As everyone knows” Might watch the 30-30 video.
@michaeljoyce3153
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteelArmadillo I personally use a 590 shockwave with 1oz foster slugs. Though there will be rounds better than others the 30-30 was just a comparison on how ones performance was better than the other.
@TheSteelArmadillo
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljoyce3153 you use a shockwave, for what purpose?
@michaeljoyce3153
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteelArmadillo here in central Florida there are hogs, Florida panthers, and Mountain lions. Never been worried about the black bears to much as they usually go the other way
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