You have to engage the target with what you have in your hands... well said...
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
This!
@ericbergfield6451
Жыл бұрын
So my Logitech G403 mouse?
@Rocketrich88
Жыл бұрын
@@ericbergfield6451 Exactly! Hahahah!
@Gnolomweb
4 ай бұрын
no true.
@Gnolomweb
4 ай бұрын
@@ericbergfield6451 The keyboard is stronger.
@JustAverageJeff
Жыл бұрын
Being able to use the same magazines and ammo for every man in the squad is a huge benefit, whether it’s assault, LMG,SPR all using same mags and ammunition is impressive.
@cliffkirby8570
Жыл бұрын
I'm just getting into the scoped AR 223-556. I purchased a cheap PSA 16 inch AR-15 and have been shooting it with very good accuracy out to 750 yd with 75 gr. Bthp.
@jaredandrews379
Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@dandetande288
3 ай бұрын
Niceeee!
@rascalmatt6713
Жыл бұрын
I'm a former US Special Operator and US Special Operations Combat Medic. I've also been shot twice with an AK47 and i was a critical care nurse for 8 years. I shoot long range and extreme long range as a hobby. Here's some data i collected at SEA LEVEL a number of years ago with VARIOUS common rifles and VARIOUS types of ammo out of those rifles. I say SEA LEVEL because i live above 5,000 ft now and everything is faster for me now, so that's not really a fair assessment for all the people living on the coasts at sea level. PSA M16 with a 20" CHF chrome lined FN barrel. Shooting 77 grain IMI OTM's here's the data at sea level: 500 yards= 1,736 fps and 515 ft/lbs of energy. 750 yards= 1,315 fps and 296 ft/lbs of energy. 1,000 yards= 1,053 fps and 189 ft/lbs of energy. The 77 grain IMI OTM round out of the aforementioned rifle goes transonic roughly between 900 and 925 yards. Most of the people commenting on how limited the 5.56 supposedly is, are people who are assuming we're all shooting carbine length M4's loaded with 55 or 62 grain ammo. Obviously, this isn't true and it's very out of touch, out dated and ignorant if we're being completely honest here. Speed is what makes a round a more effective killing round. In fact, that's what the original concept of the 5.56 was shooting 20" M16's. Simply go watch a 55 grain or 62 grain 5.56 projectile, fired out of a 20" M16, hit ballistics gel and watch the massive cavitation open up behind the bullet. The devastation is obvious and the destruction is massive. It has nothing to do with the rounds "breaking up" like so many of you believe. So in summary, for "1,000 yard effectiveness" shooting the above set up and bullet pairing, YES the round is lethal and like the guest in the video said right up front at the outset of the video, it's about placement. If you're closer in, the round can do what it was intended to do by opening massive cavitation wounds but at extreme distances, without the velocity to ensure the bullet acts as originally intended you can STILL be lethal just by hitting the torsoe or any major blood vessels. Even a head shot when the bullet is still supersonic (in this case out to just over 900 yards) will penetrate the skull and enter the brain and be lethal/kill. Let's quickly go over 55 grain data at sea level with the aforementioned M16. At 500 yards= 1,566 fps and 299 ft/lbs. At 700 yards, we're STILL above the speed of sound and super sonic traveling 1,145 fps and 160 ft/lbs of energy. So again, i think even the 55 grain is largely lethal at 500 yards out of an M16 and can kill with good shot placement at 700 yards. Anything that hits a major vessel can kill quickly. Anything that penetrates the pleural space between your lungs and chest wall can kill either quickly via tension pneumothorax or slowly via pneumothorax and or hemothorax.. it may just take longer. There are many blood vessels, which if severed, can kill you quicly via hypovolemic shock/blood volume loss. I will start a channel this summer on KZitem (until they kick me off) and some other platforms. It's very frustrating seeing so many people not really understand bullet damage, trauma medicine, and long range shooting and shooting set ups. People need to drop the ego's and preconceived notions about this stuff and listen to the subject matter experts and use their brains to critically think about all of this stuff and actually learn the truth. Just for fun, here's some data on the SCAR16S shooting 77 grain IMI OTM's. at 500 yards= 1,645 fps and 462 ft/lbs of energy. At 750 yards= 1,250 fps and 267 ft/lbs of energy. With 55 grain IMI at 500 yards= 1,420 fps and 246 ft/lbs of energy. PRETTY EFFECTIVE numbers for lethality on human beings. DDM4V11Pro (18" heavy barrel, nitrided) with 77 grain IMI OTM's at 700 yards= 1,324 fps and 300 ft/lbs of energy. Supersonic out to 850 yards. With 55 grain IMI at 500 yards= 1,431 fps and 250 ft/lbs of energy. 1,125 fps is the speed of sound. As far as "speed" or "velocity" is concerned pertaining to the effectiveness of these bullets, think rifle round damage vs pistol round damage. Or in terms of just rifle rounds, think 6.5 Creedmoor vs the new 6.5 PRC. Same bullet but PRC is simply faster and hence MORE EFFECTIVE at longer distances. Case in point: Brandon and Stacy Hunt is the channel, 6.5 CM vs 6.5 PRC at 600 yards on 1/4" steel. The CM doesn't penetrate the steel while the PRC cuts right through with ease. Same bullet, PRC is faster by about 200 fps. If you're on a budget and can only afford ONE rifle, i'd recommend the PSA M16 with FN CHF barrel. Even though only about 1.5-2" MOA accuracy, i went 8/10 randomly with a pretty rapid cadence of fire at 750 yards on a steel silhouette and 8x Burris optic with 77 grain OTM's. The trigger was the Mil-Spec, BCM PNT trigger and no brake, just an A2 bird cage FH. You can fire a variety of bullets effectively and maximize your range effectiveness with that 20" barrel.
@jwhiskey534
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Looking at the FY 2024 budget proposal, the DoD is gungho on that SBR length GPR w/ suppressor attachment. A large AR platform w/ a larger cartridge that produces 80,000 PSI. Gonna be interesting.
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
Great info! Keep us posted on the channel!
@anonymoususer8599
Жыл бұрын
@John Basilone You were able to pen steel static targets at further distances because of our access to tungsten to manufacture M995. We won't have that luxury w/ a country who owns most of the world's supply of tungsten... and so we're back finding a caliber w/ a high velocity similar to M193 from a 20 inch barrel.
@IDNeon357
Жыл бұрын
@@anonymoususer8599the US has plenty of Tungsten. We use other countries tungsten first for the obvious reason that in the long run, we'll be the last ones with the resources.
@bigpicklerick
Жыл бұрын
At 700 meters a 55 grain bullet hits with the same pounds per square inch as a 45acp at the muzzle. I wouldn't want to get shot with a 45 point blank so I don't Wana get shot at 700 meters with a 556.
@Subtlenimbus
2 ай бұрын
At that range, a 55 grain bullet that started at 3250 fps will be down to about 1050 fps with about 134 foot pounds of kinetic energy. That is similar to the muzzle energy of a 22lr rifle with bulk ammo. A 45acp pistol firing a 230 grain bullet at 900 fps has 414 foot pounds of kinetic energy at the muzzle. That’s a big difference. I can’t think of where “pounds per square inch” fits into the comparison.
@JR-ld1et
19 күн бұрын
Wel I don’t wanna get shot with a 22 either at any range
@Peaches-i2i
4 күн бұрын
@@Subtlenimbus Still quite deadly, especially when you're so far away. Any hole is one that's likely doing to put you out of the fight or at least impair your ability.
@chrism2042
Жыл бұрын
Love the comments! I have 6.5 CM AR10 and bolt rifles, haven't them to the range in over a year. When I shoot cases of 77gr in MK12 and cases of 55gr in carbines and bolt 223 in a year. I know I would limit shooting the 6.5 due to cost, I don't drive home from the range thinking about the money I just spent at the range shooting 5.56 and 9mm on a range day. Years ago, I hunted with a friend and his 3 brothers, all 4 of them shot 300WM. I show up with a Rem 700 sendaro in 25-06 with my handloaded 100gr Nosler ballistic tips. They gave me hell about shooting "that small bullet that can't take a deer down". Myself and 3 of them shot deer that day, mine was a 210 lb 10 point at 483 yrds, when the bullet hit him, he turned to run but only made 2 steps. We walked miles that day looking for all 3 of the brothers deer shot with 300WM, all at distances less than 300 yrds. Never found any of their deer and mine didn't need to be tracked. I shot my limit of deer with that rifle every year for many years, from 75 yrds to 483 yrds, never had to track a deer. Larger caliber still means NOTHING without proper shot placement.
@asrt1982
Жыл бұрын
Liar
@chrism2042
Жыл бұрын
@@asrt1982 - I guess someone that can't shoot would call it a lie!
@maddantt7757
Жыл бұрын
Sober, adult analysis. Love it
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
Bold assumptions lol
@tommcfarland5368
Жыл бұрын
Shhhh.... 🤫
@stephenfannin6482
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for highlighting my comment and I should reiterate that I was not saying it is impossible to stretch 5.56 with the MK-262 type loads but that the ballistics of 5.56 lend themselves better to intermediate ranges below 500-600 yards just based off of the lack of powder charge and payload on target but in the words of Kevin Owens of Fieldcraft Survival keep shooting the target until you get your intended result. That being said like Bruiser highlighted in the video the logistical advantage of leaning into the AR platform and developing the MK-12 made sense in the context of military and the cross compatibility of ammo at team level makes sense give the person running the MK-12 still needs to be in the fight if things move interior or to closer ranges and if the sniper or DMR is carrying a different caliber they not only have less ammo but cannot sustain from teammates if needed and all of that makes sense in a team/unit context however if I am a civilian and I can afford to use another platform that is superior in ballistics then why not?
@ordinary_american
Жыл бұрын
He's right you know. Shouldn't be controversial to stick with the 16" 556 you already have, and buy 77g OTM in bulk which is round for round cheaper than a speciality long distance round, train to shoot the snot out of it at distance, and then time and funds permitting, invest in a longer range setup and corresponding ammo. Thanks for the video and refocusing what the priorities should be and not to ignore the capability everyone's 556 already has.
@peteperkins3859
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to get hit by a 5.56 round at any range.
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
True, yet there is the proper caliber for the job. Just because the government tried to make it do everything doesnt mean it can. Their own studies and reports on the ground shows it limitations. Still love my 556 rifle but long distance shots need calibers good at that.
@jwhiskey534
Жыл бұрын
@@RiorozenThat is why 6mm calibers have come into fruition, it’s in an between round with superior BC. Our boys currently serving will need all the advantages they can get considering we’re not up against patriotic goat farmers anymore
@life_of_riley88
Жыл бұрын
@@jwhiskey534 6ARC really is the sweet spot
@RickDeckard2049
Жыл бұрын
you also wouldnt want to get hit by a .22lr so idk why people even state this
@sapperROSS
Жыл бұрын
@Riorozen long a good .308 semi auto can toss rounds down range pretty quickly and accurately
@whiskeyactual.
Жыл бұрын
There is a book called Triggermen by Hans Halberstadt and there are some first hand accounts about the performance of the mk262 round used in the Mk12 on human targets during combat operations in Iraq. The combo was pretty consistent at putting fighters on their ass at extended (realistic) ranges. Not to mention the original m262 and clones have been greatly improved since then. Excellent read, anyways 77grn OTM/SMK/TMK damn near have the ballistic coefficient of a .308. Optimal for LR, no. But definitely relevant in the sense of versatility.
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
It is a absolute monster of a round that if people can afford to get they should. That round should have been what replaced m855. Use it for my personal loads, just very expensive and sometimes hard to find.
@mark_338
Жыл бұрын
@@zack9912000bro, my biggest complaint about the USMC and the M27 rn is not the rifle, the rifle is great, however it is a system that is being held back by inferior 62gr ammo.
@mylesharvey6488
Жыл бұрын
To learn long range shooting shoot 22 lr at 3-5 hundred yards. Your skills at long distance improves massively. Reading Wind and holdovers both get instinctive.
@life_of_riley88
Жыл бұрын
@@mylesharvey6488 like knocking the sights off a red ryder.
@CentralFloridaBowHunting
Жыл бұрын
I think it (5.56 77gr) had the ballistics @ 400m of a .38spl at the muzzle if I remember correctly.
@thepracticalrifleman
Жыл бұрын
The irony of him saying “people just repeat commentary” after he stated “more deer are killed with a 22 lr than any other caliber” 😂 He’s guilty of the same thing! By the way, there is no way to qualify that often-repeated statement. The assumption and only way it *could* be true is poachers exist in large numbers, use .22lr, and kill more deer than legal hunters combined. .22lr isn’t legal for hunting whitetail, so we know there are at least 4 million deer a year killed with things other than .22 lr. We also know that around 90% of deer in the last twenty years have been killed with .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, .270 and .30-30 Winchester.
@A.M1864
Жыл бұрын
Go more in depth and talk about how certain barrel lengths and twist rates accompanied with specific bullet grains can achieve more desirable effects at longer distances while still maintaining the ability to be a fighting rifle
@ryanmorris4406
Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to tell you to keep up the good work. Of all the gun tube stuff out there, this recent run of Spr / practical precision AR is my current favorite. The Spr class video gave me new things to think about, which is kind of unusual at this point. Getting input from guys like this that have real world experience helps validate my own experiences. Prov27:12.
@rdsii64
Жыл бұрын
I have 556's and 308's in my safe. Both semi auto and bolt guns in both calibers. I shoot my 556's 3 times as much as my 308's.
@taylorcleblanc
Жыл бұрын
I hit a dude with an M240 (5 hits total) and he fought us for 10 more minutes. Keep hitting what you shoot at with the weapon you shoot best. Your argument (well founded) about not using 6 ARC or Grendel is exactly what I was thinking when I sold my 6.5. I miss it but I shoot so much more now.
@wiredtight
Жыл бұрын
The way I look at it is, if you have the right tool for the job, use the right tool for the job. But if you don't, use your own judgement. A wrench can be used as a hammer but it's not ideal.
@lukeflaugher5334
Жыл бұрын
Reading all these negative comments from couch commandos who probably shoot twice a year is hilarious! Awesome work Jim and awesome content!
@noluckpureskill9985
Жыл бұрын
This topic was debated in a garand thumb video when he had Kevin Owen's and another gentleman there discussing their fighting rifle set up. Kevin Owen's proceeded to say something to the effect "and idk where the whole 5.56 ain't enough came from cuz I've shot alot of guys with the 5.56" as he's laughing his ass off. I'd trust his judgment over any KZitem comment section warrior. That dude flat out laughed an essentially said all u guys that don't think it's capable are complete morons cuz every dude he's shot with it no longer sees their family
@MH_6160
Жыл бұрын
that was such a good episode.. he was so casual about it.
@noluckpureskill9985
Жыл бұрын
@@MH_6160 he sure was lol stone cold
@christ.5258
Жыл бұрын
Is that the green beret that said "I've killed a lot of people with 556?" In response to people saying 556 doesn't kill. Cause that was honestly sick. So many people will say 556 doesn't kill then you have people like him who have put down who knows how many terrorists be so casual about it. Are there calibers that are better tailored for long range? Sure, but I think he proved that shot placement and skill matter more
@noluckpureskill9985
Жыл бұрын
@@christ.5258 I'm not for sure what branch so I don't wanna say an sound dumb but I think that sounds right. Some sort of special forces.
@Subtlenimbus
2 ай бұрын
@@christ.5258he didn’t say terrorists, he said people. Most of the people killed when the US military invades other countries are civilians.
@TNCombatMedic
Жыл бұрын
I was at K&M with a non-military buddy & he was hitting at 970 +/- yards with .223 hand loads. I thought I was shooting well with my Barrett, humbled quickly.
@joeb2526
Жыл бұрын
I love that range! I’m a member and don’t go enough, 15 min from my house
@bearman000ify
Жыл бұрын
I know that out to 835 yards using 262otm I can keep my rounds in a 5 inch circle year in, year out, on different ranges with my DDMk12. Lethal at that range? All I know is getting a round to the face would not be your happiest day!
@sublimetulii23
Жыл бұрын
If you have to ask, you haven’t tried it & you should try it. I’ve shot 5.56 out to 1,000 yards at steel & you can hear it ring the steel. That’s not nothing & would suck a lot to be shot at that distance still. Also, 22 Plinkster has a great KZitem channel with people coming out to his range once a month to shoot 1,000 yards with whatever rifle they choose & there have been shooters using 5.56, so these commenters are stupid. You will need a really good scope for those distances to really stretch out the bullet’s potential & those cost more than most high end AR-15s in the $2K range. Stop listening to people online & go test out the real range of your set ups.
@James_Hande
3 ай бұрын
Way to many people arguing the distance/lethality of the 5.56. I know first hand that my M16A1 was deadly at 500ish yards. It's all about shot placement and yes it was possible with iron sights. Now in my senior years my bones, muscles and eyes aren't what they used to be. So now I run with a 5.7 side arm and have my M16 clone.
@alexgavieres8293
Жыл бұрын
77 smk is SOOO WEAK at 1k yds! Just cuz it's possible to make hits at that range, doesn't always mean you should. Wind is the biggest issue for long range shooting, and that little bullet will drift like 6ft in a 5 mph breeze when launched at 2500 fps. And a big reason why many don't shoot .223 is because it's so hard to spot misses. Also, if you're shooting AT bad guys...be sure they can't just as easily shoot back...with something better than a short AR.
@blondie5910
Жыл бұрын
You’re a gentleman and a hobbit sir. Wait scholar!! I meant scholar!!!!
@thickseed
Жыл бұрын
😭😂
@kalcolt744
Жыл бұрын
I shoot a 6.5 grendel in prs and gas gun matches it sure helps spotting impacts passed 600 yards. I do handload and have committed to the grendel. 223 isnt horrible and works arc and grendel are just more consistent and efficient
@courierdog1941
Жыл бұрын
The is no question the 5.56 is capable and as has been said it not what you want it is what you have. However there are rifles like the British BMS CAM Rifle: AT turnbolt Built Around An AR15 Bolt Head (kzitem.info/news/bejne/sYel3ZqPcl-VjYI) a novel approach. there are international target rifle shooting associations which use the 5.56 NATO as a valid entry. The 5.56 NATO is inexpensive to shoot and provides a shooting challenge at a far lower cost than the classic 7.62 NATO
@banditgriot2000
Жыл бұрын
Premium 77 grain 5.56mm is on the expensive side in my area, though cheaper that 6mm ARC. However, 6mm ARC out of 20" AR shoots flatter with less wind drift in either of the 3 available loadings. I hope the other manufacturers start producing 6mm ARC ammo. It is cheaper to shoot 77 grain 5.56mm at the moment, but it's not as good at distance.
@coltenswindle3827
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@Raven90082012
Жыл бұрын
You should get a ballistic dummy labs and shoot it 1,000 yd😊
@TylerGrey21
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your content. Very saturated with bullshit newbie stuff. It’s hard for guys who actually shoot to find people who are worth what they preach. I appreciate you taking the time to share what you’ve learned and experienced through your content.
@Thousand_yard_King
Жыл бұрын
People who talk about the 556 not being effective beyond 500 yards have not seen any real long distance range work. I have seen 22LR shot at five hundred yards and almost be effective to kill! And if a 22LR will do it, what will the 556 which is approximately 5 times the size and capacity do capacity do? On top of that, talk to any Marine, we used to shoot our A2's to 760 yards back in 90 on a regular basis. And with iron sights..
@GeorgiaBoy1961
Жыл бұрын
Re: "People who talk about the 556 not being effective beyond 500 yards have not seen any real long distance range work. I have seen 22LR shot at five hundred yards and almost be effective to kill!" It's not about whether the round can kill or seriously wound at that distance, or even further, but the probabilities involved. Physics is the law: KE = 1/2 (M)(V)squared. The .224-cartridge is highly-dependent upon MV to make its kinetic energy, and even in heavier loads, that velocity begins to degrade rapidly as ranges lengthen. Since the projectiles are light in comparison to heavier larger caliber alternatives, they lose terminal effectiveness as a result. An equally tough problem is wind. It isn't easy to shoot those light .224-caliber pills accurately in high wind at long range. Heavier projectiles, especially ones designed efficiently, cheat the wind better and are more-forgiving of wind estimation errors as a result. Can lethal hits be made with 77-grain or heavier bullets at long range? Sure, but the same shot is easier to make with a bigger, heavy projectile and that heavier projectile will do more damage when it arrives. I admire people who can shoot those tiny pills well-and-accurately at 600 or 700 yards. I've done it and it isn't easy. The folks who do it well are very skilled. But why make it so tough in the first place? If I know I need to make a shot that long or longer, I'm reaching for a 7mm Rem-Mag (or 6.5 CM, or 338LM, etc.) every time or something along those lines. And the hits will be so regular it would get boring. But damn, I have to admit it: It is very impressive to hit consistently at 700 yards with an iron-sighted M16. Good shooting, Marine. Ooorah.
@hunterbruce8382
Жыл бұрын
Finally some long range dummy shooting!!!
@WilliamAM43
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information
@robc5082
Жыл бұрын
Hebrew Hammer (77gr IMI mod1 OTM) FTW. That said, 6ARC is a hell of a round - similar to 308 in a small frame platform. Note he said "I'm building one". Everyone I know is building at least an upper. Cheap to build (Barrel, bolt, 6.5 Grendel mag and you are set), and round costs are dropping. The new PRS Gas Gun matches are perfect for the ARC.
@Courtesyflush52
6 ай бұрын
10 months later this still rings true. 6mm ARC just broke through the $1/rd barrier
@taylormartin4346
Жыл бұрын
The dishonest part of the 5.56 thing I see comes down to barrel length. Guys will say they've hit steel at 700 yards with their 10.3. With your mk12 that would be relevant. I'm still skeptical of the argument that just because you hit it, that also means you had the velocity to do it effectively.
@DefZen343
Жыл бұрын
idk about you but most people cant hit anything at 500 yards much less after getting ice picked by a 556 round in the chest at 700. that will effectively put that guy out of the fight. who cares about killing him when hes that far away.
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
@@DefZen343 its a big deal if it doesn't put them down. At a distance they can still be a threat. That is another target that could later kill one of your own down the road.
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue is that nobody is talking about wind!
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
@@DefZen343 Right? Are we really trying to engage combatants at that distance? And if we are, whey not have someone with a better system to augment the teams overall ability? @zack991 I believe (meaning I could be wrong) that it was old Soviet thinking that an injured person is still just as good if it means the OPFOR is diminished by more than one due to people having to take care of that person.
@DefZen343
Жыл бұрын
@@terrencecox3748 guy said 10.3, so that means he is an assaulter. his main role is not a Marksman. if he has the opportunity and ability to wound or take an enemy out of the fight then why not? the video is explaining that and seems most refuse to understand that. a whole squad is not running around with SPRs or full power rifles, they are heavy, long and cumbersome in close quarters. even the ammunition will be limited by weight and most people cannot shoot powerful rifles for extended periods of time without flinching, people are acting like its better to just wait around or say you are screwed than train and make shots out to longer ranges with your fighting carbine.
@CiviTac
Жыл бұрын
This is a shooters opinion vs a couch keyboard warrior. Anyone who shoots all the time at distances understands that being able to stretch out common calibers is massively important even more than having the perfect round for the job. When are you ever going to go super sniper soldier, pick your perfect rifle setup and know you’re going to be in a long range gunfight exclusively. I’ll take an spr any day with weapon system comparability with ar15s. Still love my bolt guns tho
@EssPhour
Жыл бұрын
The only reason 6arc even exists is because 556 regularly showed itself ineffective beyond 400 yards in the middle east, I mean that's pretty well your answer right there with real-world data.
@veracitysolutionsllc
Жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Have a link?
@EssPhour
Жыл бұрын
@@veracitysolutionsllc , I've read 3 or 4 articles on it, but most recently last fall I watched a discussion on it over on Hornadys' channel, it would be listed with 6mm ARC somewhere in the title.....the one guy discusses being contacted by the DoD looking for an ar15 cartridge that improved on the 556's terminal ballistics range, initially he recommended the 6.5 Grendal, they asked if that could be improved upon, so he went to work on it and came up with the ARC.
@xstevenx8132
Жыл бұрын
@@veracitysolutionsllc also read anything about the 277 fury, it’s entire development was for this reason. To defeat body armor and extend effective range.
@highdesertdrew1844
Жыл бұрын
There's enough energy in a 5.56 bullet at extended range to cause the bullet to splatter against a steel target. Calculating it out, it's energy is between a .32ACP and .380ACP. Everyone thinks just about velocity, not about bullet weight. Is it the most definitive man stopper at distance? Obviously not. Will it make people stop doing what they're doing at distance? Yea.
@alexanderb5644
Жыл бұрын
What was the range at which you got these numbers from?
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
Military research has shown that yes you can hit the target but unless you get direct hits on vitals, the round isnt effective. And even then it doesn't always take the person out of the fight. Plenty of research in this people can see for themselves. 5.56 at distance simply doesnt have it consistently. If I know i need to reach out past 300 meters its going to be 6.8 or .308 calibers
@inahurrytooften3121
Жыл бұрын
The guys that are actually shooting people at extended ranges past 300 with short barrels with 77 gr OTM are telling me it’s very effective.
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
@@inahurrytooften3121 It's more consistent at being effective at a distance. It is absolutely for sure a beast of a round in 5.56. MK262 is my choice that I personally run for self-defense. Yet past 300 yards, I still want a larger caliber that research has shown to be 6.8 and larger. The reason for the move away from 5.56 to 6.8 is they need a much more effective round at distance that can punch through level 4 plates. 5.56 simply can't touch that. Plenty of studies the military has done over the decades, and history has shown us the larger caliber 6.8 and larger are simply what is more effective for the future enemies DOD sees us going up against. We have known about the 5.56 shortcomings since the 1990s, and there have been improvements.
@highdesertdrew1844
Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderb5644 1000m doing about 1100 fps with a 68 hrn hpbt. Mv around 3000 from a 20in
@snoddycasualplayah3241
Жыл бұрын
TBH, it's not so much 556 isn't good at range I've seen Joe's smack 600 meters on the KD Range all day with a 4x ACOG - it's really just the way youtube guntubers present it like it's some big deal and it's just not.
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
That’s part of why we’re doing these videos, to show that guns they own are more capable than 100 yards
@MH_6160
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmybrodriguez Thank you for that, I think the people who get upset are triggered because it makes them question their purchases instead of their skillset.
@noellasure4063
Жыл бұрын
ELR - Extreme or Extended Long Range depending upon who tells the story. ALL calibers are ELR capable based upon the ballistic capabilities of each caliber. ELR 5.56 is not a bad way to train. Affordable ammo and gear. Accurized gas guns are relatively new to the shooting world, and the ammo for them is even younger in the grand scheme of things. The teachers that blazed this path, Rifles Only and Accuracy First are still young and relevant. Perhaps someday the magazine writers and social influencers will take note in mass. Until then, people will parrot what they've been taught. Keep shooting.
@md3280
7 ай бұрын
The biggest downfall of that cartridge was when the military opted to use shorter barrel as in a carbine. That cartridge was initially designed for a 20 inch barrel to attain the proper velocity for the bullet to do what it was designed to do. putting it in a 24 inch will get more speed Along with using heavier bullets. And while not being ideal, that will go into flesh at 1000 yards, not something you’re gonna laugh about.
@CaveLife652
4 ай бұрын
I had a patient in the hospital once that took an A zone hit in his right lung from a .22LR at around 15-20 yards. It was a shooting accident. He was ventilated in the ICU for more than a week and underwent two surgeries before he was out of the woods. So, if 5.56 is delivering a similar level of ballistic performance as a .22LR at any given range (not exactly sure what the equivalent would be) you do not want to take a lung shot. I can tell you that with certainty.
@chaoticcaninejb
Жыл бұрын
Thr kinetic energy though
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
or the lack there of with whats being argued here.😂
@bruiserindustriesllc
Жыл бұрын
Also let’s get the comment here on kinetic energy of 5.56 at 5-600 is the same as 9mm at 25y… about 300ft lbs…. Also I love comments from people before get watch the video…
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha straight to the comments to tell you you’re wrong
@roberthutchinson2856
Жыл бұрын
And 9mm at 25yds hurts like a mofo. Absolutely lethal in the right spot
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
@@roberthutchinson2856 Instead start using the proper tool for the right job, if a person knows they will be making long engagements. Have the right caliber. 556 may reach a target but if you MUST stop them , you better hit the head or the heart. Even then at the distance the round is not predictable when it looses so much velocity. 5.56 is a gamble playing this game at best.
@roberthutchinson2856
Жыл бұрын
@@zack9912000 the reality is that there isnt a "right tool" for the wide variety of engagments you might run into. This was very thoroughly covered in the video.
@Shooter7point62
19 күн бұрын
People have been plugging 5.56 holes in paper for 30 years with AR15s. Even with a 20 inch barrel and optimized ammo it is still very challenging to be precise especially in the wind.
@cayman.a.williamsfilms
Жыл бұрын
What’s the song for your intro killer beat. Love the content!
@GhettoTactical
Жыл бұрын
Why hasn’t any just performed a human torso sized jell test at 1000yrds? So we can get some sort of idea of how different calibers and barrels lengths perform at that distance?
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
We literally talk about that at the beginning of the video
@GhettoTactical
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmybrodriguez must’ve missed that part. Look forward to the video
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
@@GhettoTactical its has already been done. Hence the militarys move away from.5.56 Dod has done several different studies on the matter. With body armor technology improvements, possible wars in europe and war with china. 5.56 doesn't perform well enough. Hence the move to 6.8 which the studies have shown to be what is needed.
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
Defeating level 4 armor is a completely different argument aside from distance.
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmybrodriguez True, yet with current fears with a war with china and possible escalating wars in Europe. 5.56 isnt able to fit those needs. On top of all the other short coming 5.56 has had at distance in afganistan. One of the many channels reviewing the sig rifle did a ballistics test with 6.8. I will have to find the video.The SIG 6.8 non AP round is almost blowing through level 4 plates with one round. A second round would have gone through. The military has said the plan is there would be training 6.8 ammo and 6.8 AP ammo for deployments.
@mac7977
7 ай бұрын
This is why I spend 3mo deciding what I'm going to build. Trial and error sucks, but you'll never make the same mistake twice. 😂
@JohnSmith-he4xn
Жыл бұрын
I have the same theory. In the moment you have to use what you have. Is 556 the best for extended distance no. However your probably not going to go everywhere with a bolt gun strapped to your back and a bunch of ammo shoved up your ass. Kind of tough to fit with all your big heads already up there. Most people have a 556 on hand all the time. So the fact that you can use it for close stuff and in tiny confined spaces easy and yet stretch it out to 1000 if you had to or needed to is awesome. Even if the ballistics at that distance are the same as a 22lr who cares. Its what you have in the moment. If someone breaks into your house and your closest gun is a 22lr sitting on your table are you not going to use it because its a 22lr or are you going to grab it because its the best tool for the situation due to it being what is available at the time.
@crispy_338
Жыл бұрын
I’d much rather a shorter 5.56 for 0-500 and then a 6mm or .300WM for anything past that. Why limit yourself to 5.56 when options exist? Just because you can shoot 5.56 to 7-800 doesn’t mean you should or doesn’t mean it’s the most efficient caliber to do so. I’d rather not take the chance with a slow 5.56 when I know bigger calibers can outpace it very quickly. And the training point is pretty moot. If they’re both AR platforms and you know your dope for each round then it’s literally child’s play going from one to the other. You don’t need to shoot 5k rds to get comfortable on an AR.
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
The whole premise is what 556 is capable of not if it’s the better option. Additionally Joe points out that most people only have 556 as an option and can’t go to something larger in which knowing what 556 is capable of is very important.
@Gnolomweb
4 ай бұрын
WHY DOES NO ONE EVER UNDERSTAND? Velocity / Purpose of bullet. THAT alone tells you all you need for the munition you want for what ranges you need.
@Upper_Room_Studios
Жыл бұрын
I swear, I LOVE these series. The videos you do in this genre answer question's I've had for a while but cannot get real world experience like your guest has. I'm not a cool-guy! LOL
@willtrax71
10 ай бұрын
Most comments about the .223/5.56 come from Ignorance and what they have read that OTHERS have read and not actually hands on sending rounds down range absolutely. I’ve been shooting that caliber since 1984 and my first Introduction to the M-16A2 was 1991 and it has its limitations past 500 yards and a lot of room for inconsistency past that but it is a capable round at distance if you know how to take advantage of its usefulness. I stick with what works for me and has been the past 4 plus Decades, the .308, 30/06 and .556 and actually thought about the 6.5 etc. but soon realized they are silly and expensive for an old Broken DAV like myself lol… SF
@Andrew-ql1cz
4 ай бұрын
At 4:17, when you say you have guys line up and shoot steel at extended ranges; what are the ranges? I have found that with a 16" AR, the range at which hit probability goes to nothing is about 700 to 800 yards. Past those ranges the bullet goes trans-sonic and flies all over the place. I shoot a lot of 55g ammo because its cheap and has better terminal effect than 77g inside 200 yds. 77g doesn't extend that range as much as you might think over 55g. I'm one of those guys that says if your engagements are going to be past 600yards, then you need a different platform.
@user-un5my5bw4j
Жыл бұрын
My experience with 556 started as a kid using 223rem for foxes, then in the Marines out to 500yds with M16A2. Now i am a custom rifle builder with my own shop and a 1000yd benchrest shooter. For a long time it was hard to get the 556nato out to 1000yd consistently. Now days with the bullets we have available like sierra 77gr smk or 77tgk, or speer 75gr tmj you can get an AR15 consistently on target at 1000yds. Then in FTR Class competition prone slow fire with a good custom bolt action with bipod and rear bag with bullets weighing 80gr to 95gr by sierra and berger you can get to be very consistent at 1000yds. However it does not retain enough energy to be a good choice for hunting or combat purposes at that range
@Calcapwn300
Жыл бұрын
6ARC, as of this post, is 1.04-1.20. cost is coming down quick.
@victorvonvandenshoit.
Жыл бұрын
So there is a article about this cop shooting a guy a total of I believe 14 times with a 45. And the last two shots he shot him straight in the face! He now carry’s like 240 rounds and changed to 9m. Shot placement ……. Another is watching the dude from black water sniping with 5.56 at a distance of I believe 850 yards putting dicks in the dirt!
@baronvonsnazzy3355
Жыл бұрын
Another point that’s often overlooked is how readily available is medical? .22 LR would suck dick but it would suck dick even worst on the side of a mountain in Afghanistan with no medivac. Also, not to sound like a sociopath but maybe I don’t want to kill them, wounding takes more people out of the fight. Atleast so I’ve heard.
@IDNeon357
Жыл бұрын
Great long range with 556 means even better skill with a tool made for long range. I dont get what people dont understand. Get good at pushing limits on one platform makes you better at pushing limits on any platform.
@peterschmidt2849
Жыл бұрын
500yds is my cut off for hunting. Target practice 1k
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
All good work either way
@mtnbound2764
5 ай бұрын
honestly something like the mk12 or a modern analog is almost perfect for an individual rifle. it can handle pretty much any task from point blank to ~1000. and its lighter and you can carry( and afford) more ammo than a larger caliber rifle.
@juansimon5802
Жыл бұрын
99% of those people making those comments dont even shoot and just regurgitating what u tube says. like that guy who said the 556 is a 200 yard round max. lmfao, that shows their lack of experience.
@MTMILITIAMAN7.62
3 ай бұрын
Imagine someone takes a long ass screwdriver and heats it to 550 degrees with a blowtorch. Now imagine they stab you with it. That is how ineffective 5.56 is at 500 meters. It is still a nearly 600-degree piece of metal flying at 1.5x the speed of sound. From the longer barrel lengths, a muzzle velocity of ~2700 fps with a 77 gr SMK retains about 1600 fps and a little over 450 ft/lbs st 500m; that is the velocity a .22 Mag rifle has at the muzzle but with nearly twice the mass, and the energy of a hot 9mm duty load. It might not be Thor's Hammer, but it is undeniably lethal. Given the logistical pragmatism of the 5.56 and its numerous other advantages, I struggle to see how this would not be considered effective. There may be better choices, but those choices probably don't share mags with the rest of your team or do really well at across-the-room distances. I suspect people who only shoot guns playing video games make these conclusions and then spread it as gospel on the internet.
@JohnDoe-wz7lw
Жыл бұрын
Why do you "goon" goobers ever think you're going to be putting rounds on people at that distance? Lmao enjoy explaining those ballistics to your cellmate when you're doing life in prison.
@revolutionanarchy713
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Joe, come to Tennessee or somewhere near it. Want to take your classes!!!
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
Make it happen. Fill out the form on his website
@revolutionanarchy713
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmybrodriguez will do! Thanks!
@ChrisLacy-yb7vn
Жыл бұрын
I've shot deer in the neck and head from 50 to 100 yards with a 22 marlin and it dropped them in there tracks when I was younger. Didn't have money for a bigger gun so that is what I hunted with.
@SnapD24
Жыл бұрын
So you're saying I definitely need a 6 ARC gun??! Got it!
@villaofpapyri9613
Жыл бұрын
Here's what those people don't understand. I feel like they come from a view of "ethics" like when shooting game. I don't care about ethics. I care about making someone stop doing whatever they are doing. And anytime well they would say well, If I need to shoot past 600 I will just go get my bold gun? youll go get it? how the fuck are you going to be in a position where you need to shoot someone at range and just going to go get a gun? from where? A 556 is can go from 0-700 on 12x12 all day with speed. Only a fudd would disagree.
@holystromboli
6 ай бұрын
More deer have been killed by 22lr than any other caliber? Who says that? I really don't know how many states allow this.
@UrNotThatGuyPal
Жыл бұрын
These pages, and guys, offer such a plethora of knowledge and skill set for free… and there are brain dead incels arguing what a 5.56 round does at 1000 yards…. Bruh 💀
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
Do your own research, it has been proven time and time again. 5.56 at distance isn't as effective when it looses velocity which is what makes it lethal. DODs own public research on it. Several actually studies have shown 556 lethality is limited at distance. Even travis Haley who is seen on video reaching out past 800 yards, has said as much.
@UrNotThatGuyPal
Жыл бұрын
@@zack9912000 …. who cares….. lol?
@zack9912000
Жыл бұрын
@Ryan B you must because you replied. Call having your facts straight and knowing what you are talking about
@KevinWood44
5 ай бұрын
Everyone keeps hyping up 6mm MAX (which I admit sounds amazing) it uses the same BCG as 5.56, you just need a 6mm barrel. Ballistics are impressive, it remains supersonic past 1300 yards....BUT even if you reload with your own brass, you'll be lucky if it only costs $1.50/per round. That round is 20yrs away from becoming as readily available as 5.56
@Subtlenimbus
2 ай бұрын
6 max also requires metal 350 legend mags to get to the 2.30” oal when using the highest bc bullets.
@jayblemsin4226
11 ай бұрын
Mk262 and 70gr tsx is another consideration
@niivlac
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t watch this Bruiser 😏
@jimmybrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
😂
@niivlac
Жыл бұрын
Hehehehe
@ThePatriotParadox
4 ай бұрын
5.57 (depending on Barrel length) 700 and in
@ThePatriotParadox
4 ай бұрын
But an 18-20" barrel at 500.... YES
@ruthlessreviews1283
Жыл бұрын
DID YOU GET TO PET CHAD’S DOG AT THE RANCH?
@ExecutiveTrainingGroup
Жыл бұрын
All of this is why I am inveting in a SPR stye 556 well said
@redryder8622
Жыл бұрын
.223 at PRS on steel at 1200 yards consistently with a competent shooter. I believe.
@seanwhite304
Жыл бұрын
We shoot out to 600M with 556n at PRS Gas Gun Matches . They hit the steel prettt hard thats for sure . I have been using 6ARC since the get go . I freaking love the 6ARC . Its chepaer than 6.5CM or 6CM thats a fact . Its also not a barrel burner unlike some others. 6.5G is what id get if i was on a budget and wanted a little but more ass behind the bullet . You can get 100g FMJ for pretty cheap . 6ARC there is 0 range ammo . 6ARC is all performace ammo . My 12.5 6ARC is my favorite upper to shoot . That little suckee bangs steel super hard at 600m . I bought the 6ARC for dual purpose . I wanted to have Shorty AR15 capable of 600m and i also wanted practical Deer / Hogg slayer . Ive heard Frank Proctor say they had 0 issues with their 14.5s and Mod H going out 700Y for terrorist dirt naps with MK262 MOD 1..
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more about ARC and Grendel. When considering a longer range alternative, ARC was my first choice. But then I discovered that Wolf 100gr was plentiful so I chose Grendel. Not as flat a shooter as ARC for sure, but versatile as hell. I have 7.62x39 for hunting, but i've taken the Grendel out. Check out Carpe Sus for Grendel hog destruction!
@seanwhite304
Жыл бұрын
@@terrencecox3748 6.5G 300Y ans in has the 6ARC Beat . Anything after 300 the 6ARC starts to pull away but not by all that much . I still might build out BA 12.5" Hanson 6.5G Upper just because of the FMJ ammo .
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
@@seanwhite304 There is tons of Wolf Grendel out there. Go get it! If that was the same of ARC, that's what I would've built.
@C_oprator89
Жыл бұрын
Great content
@charlesludwig9173
4 ай бұрын
What I know for sure as an NRA Long Range Competitor is that I can get 80 grain Berger’s to 1000 yards nose-on from my match conditioned iron sight AR15A2, for a 94% average score. What precludes higher scores is my inability to observe 1-3 mph full value wind changes, which will displace the bullet anywhere from 10 to 30 inches using an MOA wind constant of 10. This issue however inspires marksmanship development like nothing else I’ve found and thus I’ve come to enjoy this difficult shooting sport more than other divisions of High Power Rifle Competition.
@PrideDynamics
Жыл бұрын
So I guess some are missing the point of the video. The title of the video is "Is 556 Relevant for Extended Range?" Not what caliber is best at extended range? I had a 25 year carrier in the Army. 19 years of that in SOF between Rangers and SF. 5 Combat tours between Iraq and the Stan (only 4 of those was real combat). I've been a Sniper since 2007, compete in PRS, NRL and Mil comps like USASOC Sniper comp. Shot placement, ammo type and that individual's will to live matters. I was a spotter for my 18F and watched him drop a guy just past 900m with one shot from a MK12, and seen teammates hit enemy combatants just past 700m with the DD10'' upper. However, I hit a combatant 11 times in close quarters with m855 green tip before he was subdued. I've seen it work and seen it not work. Are there better cartridges YUP, but that wasn't the question. I encourage you to not be so sold on what your friend or FOBIT says. Do your own research from multiple sources.
@mudweiser007
Жыл бұрын
I wish Canadian ammunition prices were this good. Also to add on to that in Ukraine near the end of my time there we were using 556 and it has no problem taking people at 600 that's for sure. 545 is very similar out to that range
@peachfuds
Жыл бұрын
I have absolutely made 1000 yard hits on 36" steel plates with my 16" barreled .223 wylde rosco purebred build with 77 grain hand loads. It can 100% be done with ease if you know what you're doing. 20 mils of adjustment on the elevation knob, breathe, squeeze, bang. A couple seconds later: ding! Yeah, everyone wants to be a keyboard expert until you bring real world experience to the table and prove them wrong. Great video, guys. 👍
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
Nobody is saying that it can't be done. The argument is ease and effectiveness. Serious question: what would you rather shoot in a 15 mile an hour wind at 1K yards? A 77 OTM or a 130gr Berger?
@Dan_O_
Жыл бұрын
@@terrencecox3748 Then theres the economic question. How long can most ppl shoot 130gr Bergers to gain the same level of profficieny as the cheeper 77gr Sierras? :)
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
@@Dan_O_ Cost is the only issue, but it will remain the issue because the community or the military chooses to stay in one place. But seriously, we should encourage those that are willing to spend a little more to do so. If I had a group of dudes but some of them had ARC, Valkyrie, or even Grendel, how do you think I'm going to use them?
@mtnbound2764
5 ай бұрын
no one is going to get hit with a 5.56 and be like " oh cool, it was only a 5.56.."
@terrencecox3748
Жыл бұрын
There IS a middle ground here! We should not fall on one side of he other, but instead incorporate both. Let's not fight each other on this. I'm certainly not taking away from Jim's guest here. My combative experience was fighting convicts for the Ca. Dept of Corrections. I'm certainly not taking away from the capability of 5.56. As a CO in the '90's in California I saw first hand how nasty .223 could be. It's ability to phuck 5hi1t up was legendary! He's 100% correct but there are still some ideas or points worthy of consideration. * Perhaps the most important point, and what drives the thinking of many: Do we or do we not want to increase our capability at the team and/or individual level(s)? Might there be a very good reason to increase the capability (in this case range) of our mil and civ forces? Considering there have been deliveries of ARC and Creedmoor based systems to the military, it's apparent that some pockets of the military are trying to overcome what they see as shortcomings with 5.56 and 7.62 NATO. As an addendum to the above, you should check out Quantified Performance. Peeps are certainly pushing their 5.56 guns there, but Ash Hess has also made some interesting comments on the use of 6mm and up calibers. * 100% correct are the comments about cost. That's why many have chosen 6.5 Grendel. There is still butt loads of that Wolf stuff out there thats a lot cheaper than brass AND accurate enough for better than 500 yards (ask me how I know) with less wind deflection and much better energy on target. On top of that, Grendel WILL continue to be cheaper as you now have major powers (Serbia as an example) that are moving to the round and US manufacturers that have recently announced more offerings using it. I might add that I can find 500 rounds of Wolf Grendel is cheaper than the same number of 77 gr OTM! * Completely correct again (of course) concerning comparability with team mates. But is there no room for the idea of a blended or composite team structure based on rounds carried and intended usage? At the very least, wouldn't it be a good idea to encourage those that choose to go the route of a different round to continue and incorporate him or her for a specific role? And never mind that in a worst case scenario, I can use the lower on my Valkyrie, ARC, or Grendel with a 5.56 upper and 5.56 mags. Why not pack something like a 10.5 to 12.5 upper with just a dot should things go really REALLY sideways? All the above said, I agree completely with the idea that whatever you choose, GET GOOD WITH IT! This is the way!
@rednecksniper4715
Жыл бұрын
I built myself a Mk12 Mod 1 spent $1,000 on the KAC rail Douglas barrel I’d great I’ve shot out to 850 with imi 77gr otm. Just got my AEM5 out of jail last we CANT WAIT to shoot this baby suppressed
@veracitysolutionsllc
Жыл бұрын
Good video. I see a few people didn’t watch the video or their comprehension skills are lacking. If 5.56/.223 is what I’ve got on me then that’s what gets used. Pretty simple.
@timothybailey655
Жыл бұрын
All these guys that make negative comments about 5.56 shoot on a bench aiming at ballistic gel. I’m a former SDM and was issued a MK12 and I’ve engaged targets a 700-800 and the 77gr dropped the target no problem.
@Dan_O_
Жыл бұрын
Great video and comments. Do a search on utube for "5.56 & .308 vs 5 gallon water jugs at 300 yards" for great visuals of what the cheap 77Gr OTM can do at 300 yards. Is it the best at distance? Nope, but it gets the job done for most per the ballistics calcs, real world results, shot placement, fundamentals etc.. And my whole thesis is cost, how much can the average person spend on each shot? For me at least being a reloader and new LD shooter I won't pay over .75 per round while I learn. Btw on the East coast my range stops at 300 yards lol
@shanebertrand181
Жыл бұрын
The only way I’ve been able to shoot my ARC as much as I have over the last 6 months is by loading for it. Yes it’s a pain in the ass. If you don’t have a loading set up. Go 223 with some black hills or something with 77 gr and get out and shoot. Shooting 223 is better than shooting nothing! Plus it’s satisfying as hell to make shots out past 800 with a 223.
@victorvonvandenshoit.
8 ай бұрын
I’ll say one sentence, DC sniper
@christaylor4086
Жыл бұрын
I am 100% on this train.
@sapperROSS
Жыл бұрын
My scar 16s sends m855 pretty damn accurately to 700 yards, probably could do it much futher but havent tried. I would not want to get hit by it at long distances.
@shaneciccarelli-palmer2962
Жыл бұрын
18” 556 as the lord intended
@andywirsing6352
Жыл бұрын
69gr out of 20” barrel at over 500 yards still goes through and opens up prairie dogs. So I am fine hitting soft tissue with it at distance.
@CT-gx8qf
Жыл бұрын
All this is so true i have a 6creed and 6grendel and they havent seen the range in a year. Ammo hella expensive even though i have a decent pile to shoot its the good precision stuff im not pulling the trigger. So i rather shoot 223/556.
@fredsiegfried1707
Жыл бұрын
I know 2 individuals shooting 77gr Sierra Match grade at 778 yards hitting cans, 20 inch barrel
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