the Stanley sweethearts are not based off of the Lie-Nielsen. The Lie-Nielsens are based off the vintage Stanley 750s. I assume the sweethearts are their current day cheap version of the companies original (and very desirable) 750s. Keep up the good videos.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
That is what I thought I said...Sometimes I not talk so good...
@phillipyeager3176
7 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@joecleveland6525
7 жыл бұрын
You got lucky with the sweetheart, all the ones I bought had huge bellies and took hours to fix.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
did you buy the kit or individuals? This was a solo chisel, I wonder if that has anything to with it or if I truly go lucky. Bellies in your chisels are a PAIN!
@joecleveland6525
7 жыл бұрын
I bought them as individuals from lee valley. I am happy with them now but it was a lot of work considering the cost. In hindsight I would have rather shelled out a little more for a set of fewer Lie Nielsen chisels.
@antmallett6065
7 жыл бұрын
If I was you, I'd buy or make a vice before worrying about 'lifetime' chisels. IMHO, expensive chisels are mainly used by the boys with all the kit, and no clue.
@RickMcQuay
7 жыл бұрын
4:47 I've made that mistake a few times and seen my bones. As they say, cut toward your chum, not toward your thumb.
@williammeszaros1671
7 жыл бұрын
Rick McQuay
@154Jamesp
6 жыл бұрын
I screamed in my head when I saw that. I learned the hard way.
@noncompliance9990
5 жыл бұрын
I started sweating so hard, especially with how dull the damn thing is
@jim-zb2kb
5 жыл бұрын
@@154Jamesp the first time i did it was a thew days ago and i just had to laugh it off thinking about my stupidity
@tvrdy3
5 жыл бұрын
Ty for advice sir.
@raysmith1578
5 жыл бұрын
I am confused why have you used a 27 degree angle when the primary bevel is usually 25 degrees and the secondary bevel is 35 degrees
@billgiles3261
3 жыл бұрын
I think that they were all 25 degrees and he wanted to see how hard they were to sharpen.
@brentb3969
7 жыл бұрын
Please clamp down your wood.
@WereAllThatBored
6 жыл бұрын
Haha thats all I was thinking when I was watching
@jim-zb2kb
5 жыл бұрын
But what if there's a fire, your gonna be trapped inside the building
@BeaulieuTodd
5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha. I just made a similar comment on another of his videos where he freehanded a biscuit jointer. Scary!
@marils8452
5 жыл бұрын
He's obviously not cut himself bad enough yet...
@QuadDoc
5 жыл бұрын
I was just coming to say that! LOL
@monteengel461
5 жыл бұрын
You mean pare not pair.
@mpethybridge
7 жыл бұрын
Ummm...I don't mean to be a jerk, but when you were flattening the backs, you said that the Irwin/Marples had soft enough steel that it was easy to flatten. Then when you were talking about changing the bevel angle, all of a sudden the Irwin/Marples had hard steel that made the bevel angle the worst to correct. Also, I think you buried your lead. Your opinion seems to be that at the top of the market, price correlates perfectly with quality. That's no surprise, I have yet to see a tool review where the reviewer had the guts to say differently. Because your top end opinion was so trite, you should have focused on your secondary conclusion, which seems to be that the HF and Aldi chisels are way superior value to the mid range chisels.
@ricklafaver
7 жыл бұрын
Fair point, I caught that after my edit. The flattening portion was halfway through the flattening. When all was said and done, the Irwin Marples took the longest to get sharp. You can do almost anything with the ALDI chisel, but it has wide bevel edges, it is also quite easy to sharpen. The Stanley was the overall best value, but the Veritas was the only true bevel edge chisel.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+Matt Pethybridge thanks for the feedback Matt. The Stanley, Aldi, and Harbor Freight chisels are phenomenal value. The Veritas is in a league of its own.
@boristhebilder7553
6 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping someone would write this comment. Best all around value is the aldi's but the higher priced were the preferred? Didn't make much sense.
@fishhuntadventure
5 жыл бұрын
Plus he uses his chisels for pairing. I’ve never gotten advanced enough to do any pairing, but my cheaper ‘carpenter grade’ Stanleys have pared a lot of wood and helped me feed myself and my kids... I used to be embarrassed about some of my low-buck tools and yankee-frugal methods. I got over that like twenty-five years ago thanks to Mike Dunbar. Yes, the Windsor Chair Guru. I’d bet he never measured the angle on his wood chisels, either LOL. He did have good tools because he bought and used the best for the job - and the best tools were often far less costly than the expensive ones. Well that’s enough- I’ve got to go learn me some about that there wood pairing.
@pauleichner8831
5 жыл бұрын
I would also say its hard to compare quality on any hand tool until you have used it for 20 years, at that point a lot can change. If I invested 94$ in a hand tool I would expect it to last me a lifetime and then some.
@HBSuccess
6 жыл бұрын
Mr Wood.Work - I have a jagged scar across my right palm (I'm left-handed) that went to the bone , required tons of stitches to close and months to heal - and 40 yrs later my thumb is still partially numb- all bc I was rushing with a dull chisel and had my one hand in front of the other trying to hold a piece - instead of taking an extra second and clamping it to my bench. There a a few places in your demo video like that that are accidents waiting to happen. Please be careful and secure your work.
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
Will do, I regret my technique on camera looking back at it. Thanks for the well wished. I am much more careful generally.
@michaelheurkens4538
5 жыл бұрын
@@WoodWorkLIFE "more careful generally." Really? The only trouble with, "I usually am careful." is that sometimes you're not. It only takes a minute or so to get and use a couple of clamps versus a lifetime of regret as alluded to by Tioga Fretworks. I am a carver and had a couple of close shaves myself for the same reason; namely not thinking ahead. I enjoyed your review regarless of how unscientific it was. It is my opinion that the quality/grade of steel is of greater importance than price. Of course, the better quality usually means a higher price. Although cheaper chisels will do the job, more often then not, they need more effort and time to maintain a good edge which can be very discouraging to the novice. I prefer a higher quality steel because they usually hold an edge better, needing only a touch-up now and then. Also, once tuned to your liking, they need much less frequent full-service sharpening. Lower-end chisels provide an advantage, though. Their relatively soft steel may require more frequent attention, but learning how to sharpen well with a cheaper and softer unit will benefit you with a whole bunch of sharpening experience BEFORE you graduate to better quality blade. Used chisels from yard sales are a good place to start as well.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
@@michaelheurkens4538 what I meant is I am more careful when I am not trying to get shots of using the chisels vs. Actually using the chisels. This was a long time ago and I am much more aware of demonstrating proper technique rather than getting interesting footage. I personally think there is a balance between edge retention and ease of sharpening. It is a fine line but you'll know when you've crossed it as your chisel skates on a diamond plate. I think heat treated A2 and pmv-11 might be too hard sometimes. To me I am going to sharpen or at least hone my chisel every third dovetail and before any pairing task anyway. So I would rather have something that is easier to make razor sharp, than something that will stay kinda sharp longer.
@michaelheurkens4538
5 жыл бұрын
@@WoodWorkLIFE Understood. Thanks for your advice on the steel harness/edge life vs ease of sharpening.
@TaylerMade
7 жыл бұрын
as a retired cabinet maker i can tell you i never bought the fancy expensive chisels. why invest that much money into a tool that will require just as much sharpening to maintain as a cheap one. generally i found the difference between an expensive chisel and a cheap one was the user.
@brainsironically
7 жыл бұрын
I'm just an amateur, mostly adept at making wood chips, but it seems to me that the costs associated with those expensive chisels... well, they should show up absolutely perfect and come with a dude to sharpen it for you!
@keats182
7 жыл бұрын
Doesn't it also depend on what you're doing with the chisels? For real basic stuff like cleaning up a hinge mortise, I have a cheap set of Craftsman chisels that someone gave me. But for removing waste in a dovetail, they don't do very well because of their shape. However, for a five dollar set of Aldi's chisels you can grind them to whatever shape you need. I would think the A2 tool steel would have to last longer than cheaper steel or they wouldn't use it. The real question is how much longer do they hold an edge and is it worth the money? But I do see your point. Even an expensive chisel will fail with abuse. And a cheap chisel will work well in the hands of someone with good technique.
@TaylerMade
7 жыл бұрын
to be honest i think you will find the cheap chisel makers get their steel from the same manufacturers as the expensive ones. like clothing you pay for the label.
@ettubaby
7 жыл бұрын
cheap chisel makers never reveal their steel, process or hardness, either because their buyers don't care or the result would be embarrassing. Less expensive product concede that they will have less expensive material and labor. A fine chisel (expensive) will be cast perfect, very sharp, and maintain the sharpness even working on difficult material
@qigong1001
7 жыл бұрын
I've used cheap ones, expensive ones and in the end just get the same result. Maybe a bit more sharpening with the cheapos. But, you get good at sharpening technique and its not an issue. I tossed one cheapo, because the metal was a little gummy, but not a huge loss ($2). Ouch!
@apistosig4173
5 жыл бұрын
Chisels, planes and handsaws are among my favourite tools. Hi end quality tools will always suit the artisan, craftsman & professionals while the entry level chisels will always suit the handyman and weekend warrior. Big difference is steel quality and the mileage between sharpenings. Personally I use both - cheap chisels for rough & crude work where the chisel may be subject to damage and the quality tools for more precision cabinetry type of work. They both have their place.
@thewalnutwoodworker6136
3 жыл бұрын
Harbor freight is good enough to build a good bench and suit you while you hunt for old tools.
@veganpotterthevegan
2 жыл бұрын
@@thewalnutwoodworker6136 Good enough, but that depends on how much your time is worth. If you have a high paying job, you're more likely to be bothered by having to resharpen multiple times a day when you can sharpen once a week. If you don't have much expendable income, you're going to use what you can afford. There are also chisels that are not so terrible, for less than top dollar
@veganpotterthevegan
2 жыл бұрын
@@thewalnutwoodworker6136 you can roll an edge on a harbor freight chisel with a few modest mallet strikes
@thewalnutwoodworker6136
2 жыл бұрын
@@veganpotterthevegan If you have a strop on your bench you can keep them sharp with 10 seconds of work
@veganpotterthevegan
2 жыл бұрын
@@thewalnutwoodworker6136 Sure, every other strike you don't roll. You can't strop away a rolled edge. I gave up with my cheap chisels and they're backups that I sharpen with a grinding wheel. The metal is trash and soft anyway so I'm not too worried about the temper. It makes almost no difference.
@OswaldoAgurto
5 жыл бұрын
7:43 Actually the Lie Nielsen was designed after the Stanley 750s (SW)
@DavidKirtley
5 жыл бұрын
Chisels are a sharpened bar of steel with a handle on it. There is no magic. Tang or socket is a preference. Wood on the handle is aesthetic as long as it doesn't crumble when you hit it. As long as the steel is reasonably hard, the only real difference is you might sharpen one a bit more often than another. There is nothing wrong with liking a beautiful tool. It doesn't make them work any better.
@SuperZmrz
6 жыл бұрын
well dont wona be a jerk but you show way too much beginners mistakes ( and very dangerous ones ) in short video , also the way you use chisels look like this is your first time . Hitting with hand ?!??!!? wtf ???!?!
@twoweary
7 жыл бұрын
Your wood seemed to always be sliding around the bench. Seems like it'd be a good idea to keep it fixed in place to work on it. I guess it is a video on chisels rather than technique though. Just sayin.
@phillipyeager3176
7 жыл бұрын
Also, don't pare TOWARDS the hand holding the work. I highly recommend holdfasts. Just saying. Maybe everyone is not as accident prone as this old fart.
@mikescncshop
7 жыл бұрын
I agree, get some workholding on that bench! Not only safer but makes everything easier.
@MisterModder123
7 жыл бұрын
Phillip Yeager I sliced the tip of my thumb off with a chisel doing that once. needless to say I was squirming watching him pair with his hand right in front of it
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the bad lessons guys, It was mainly for framing the shots. I need to find a better way to hold work and not mess up the shots I want to get.
@andymckenzie8031
7 жыл бұрын
I recommend holdfasts (the ones by Gramercy are good an inexpensive) and rubber drawer liner. If you drill the holdfast holes right, you should be able to clamp a piece anywhere on your bench, and the drawer liner is extra insurance against the piece sliding. Or just put it near the edge of the bench and use a clamp to hold it down out of frame. But seriously... That bit with you cutting towards your hand almost got me to just close the video window.
@tonyennis3008
4 жыл бұрын
Do you have no workholding devices? Unsecured work is sucking the energy out of your chisels. And it's dangerous.
@michaelkelly3221
2 жыл бұрын
How can you possibly get a feel for the chisel when your workpiece is sliding all over the place? The chisels didn't fail this 'test', you did!!
@makerblend4018
6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, I liked that you took the time to carefully test each of the chisels in a variety of tasks. Personally, I'm a fan Japanese chisels but the cost can be quite prohibitive to the novice woodworker so I completely understand why you didn't include them.
@alext9067
6 жыл бұрын
Veritas and Lie-Nielsen needed bevel correction? Why? Nothing magical about bevel angle. Waste of time and effort changing it unless you bring it way down for softwood. Lie-Nielsen is 30 and yo took it to 27. No difference. And where's your benchhook?
@waterfordrs22
5 жыл бұрын
alex agreed. If someone is on the fence between purchasing a five dollar chisel or maybe a $90 version of it, either or, they probably aren’t all that concerned about bevel angle let alone three degrees. I wasn’t sure why the OP seemed to give the Lie Nelson and Veritas demerits for being so hard to regrind by hand. They were basically dead on as designed and hardened for a purpose.... both the backs were dead flat. To reshape or change the grind, you could simply take it to a slow speed grinder, give it a little bit of a hollow grind before taking it to the stones and it would be done with. That would be a similar approach to a Japanese chisel.
@yrrek1983
6 жыл бұрын
The Lie Nielsen is actually a copy to a traditional Stanley design.
@MusicByJC
6 жыл бұрын
I didn't feel there was a strong case presented to purchase tools that were 10-15x more expensive except for the initial work required to flatten and sharpen the cheaper chisels. A couple of the chisels hard harder still so that would mean longer time before needing to sharpen. But again, you are going to be paying a lot for that feature. For people like me that just need to have the proper tool available when I need it, buying cheap but adequate tools seems the way to go. I do have a set of Irwin chisels that seem nice and I just bought a harbor freight "4 for $5.00" set to supplement.
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
That is kind of the point of these shootouts, really just to show how much you CAN get done with the everyman tool, and show you why you might want to spend the extra on the ultimate of any given tool. I find the hardness to be a challenge between sharpen-ability and edge retention. I personally prefer a nice middle ground.
@philashton7578
5 жыл бұрын
I have about 15 different sized original Marples chisels, left by my Grandfather ( a carpenter) to my father (an engineeer and toolmaker), and then left to me. Marple were universally recognised as the best chisels in the world, until the name was bought out by Irwin. I cringed when this happened, knowing the quality would drop off dramatically, but not expecting they would fall behind cheap rubbish from Harbour Freightt in a comparison test. They must be about 100 years old, have outlasted nearly 3 generations and I am sure will outlast several more. If you were using these instead of the so called Irwin mass produced things that they call Marples I feel sure the results would have been completely different. I wouldn't change them for any of the new chisels on the market. Incidentally these are completely flat, though this may be due to work done on them by the Grandfather.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
I am 100% sure you are right
@christiandolan4421
5 жыл бұрын
You show in this video that you are a true novice!! Why should anyone take advice from this video. And if your not a novice then 😳
@1pcfred
5 жыл бұрын
A novice's opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. In fact a novice can bring less baggage into the fray. So their opinion will be less colored by long held prejudices.
@livewiya
5 жыл бұрын
I commend you for buying all the chisels and trying to make it objective. I realize this was quite a while ago but I thought I'd share my two cents with regards to your choice of criterion: -Flattening the back: You essentially only do this once. While it's a proxy for quality, I would have only evaluated this in units of time until flat. -Initial Sharpening: I think this was an erroneous metric. Different manufacturer's have had different initial bevel angles, and different users will seek out different angles than your 27*. -Edge retention: I believe this is arguably the most important metric, once you determined that all of the are at least usable. I would have operationalized this (made it quantifiable) by numbers of dovetails chopped until it became dull/started compressing rather than shearing fibers. THEN, it may have been worthwhile to directly compare if any were more quickly to returned to sharp. -Torture Test: I'm not sure what, if any, information this provided. I do agree, the terminating side bevels (and perhaps its extra length) set the Veritas PMV-11 in a league of their own. I'm skeptical on how superior their powdered metal is vs. Lie-Nielsen's cryo-A2 (I know Lee-Valley claims it to be superior to A2 but there's no mention of their comparitor being cryo-treated, and we know cryo-treated A2 to perform much better than untreated A2). I rock my Aldi chisels but I'm likely to get LV's or LN's on a long enough timeline. The truth of the matter is it's ultimately subjective in terms how much you dislike sharpening and/or how valuable your shop time is. If you're pro, obviously having to sharpen doesn't add value to your customer, so paying for better edge retention/ease of sharpening is worth investing in. Similarly, if you have little shop time and/or hate sharpening, you may want to pay to be able to sharpen less often.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
Hi future Rick here, all fair points. I think the big differentiator and a thing a lot of people overlook is, no edge is bulletproof and a good joiner will frequently share their tools. It is better to have a good balance of edge retention and sharpenability. While the LN steel retains a fine edge as does the PMV11, the A2 skates on my diamond stones. Which means it's a PIA to sharpen, which I do frequently. The ALDI chisels are some of the finest cheapo tools I have ever had my hands on but the Veritas is what I always find myself reaching for years later. This mostly due to geometry and ergonomics. The Line Nielsens are DAMN fine tools though
@1611_KJB
4 жыл бұрын
Well, don't mean to sound so negative, but your "test" was in no way set up to actually compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. You seemed to just jump around with no real values, targets or goals for what makes a chisel good or bad and then picked whatever was your favorite with Veritas usually leading the pack. Softness is not a good quality in a chisel, period. A soft chisel dulls faster, is a safety hazard and decreases the lifespan of a chisel remarkably as well as giving you lots of downtime sharpening it more often than is necessary. So when you say a chisel is soft, so it was easy to flatten and easy to change the primary bevel, that is an extremely negative aspect of a chisel. Both of those functions happen once in the life of a chisel and you should be thrilled if it's hard to change. Overly hard is also no good, because the steel becomes brittle and can chip and break. Chisels should be between Rockwell 60-64 on the C scale. Unless something went drastically wrong at the factory, all of your chisels fell in that range. However, many metals can achieve that hardness. The materials that make a quality chisel are those that refine a chisels grain structure so you get smoother edges, more durable edges and less malleability. Comparing things like metal choice will describe a lot, oil hardening tools steels (O2) have one set of characteristics, air hardening steels (A2) have a different Water hardening (W2) another set, plain carbon steel (1095) have yet another and alloyed steels (4170, 6350, 4730) finally have a fifth set of characteristics. The choice of steels has a dramatic impact on price. There is also the line of chisels people tried making out of stainless steel (440) which I wouldn't recommend at all. Then there's the processing of the steel. The speed of the quench makes a markedly different set of characteristics based on the speed of quenching: when a steel, properly mixed for their cooling environment are quenched, water, oil or air can make a dramatic difference. How fast the iron matrix collapses on the interstitial carbon atoms completely changes the characteristics of the steel and post processing, such as cryogenic processing which super shrinks the matrices also have a huge effect on price and quality. Finally how the material is tempered after hardening changes how the steel will perform. I take you through all that boring science stuff to say, steel is not steel. The differences are what make certain ones better for certain things than others and the properties they develop are what tells us why they are different. Your test basically addressed "apparent hardness" and considered none of the factors governing chisels. Let's face it, all chisels boiled down to simplest terms are a hard piece of steel that's flat until the end where some angle is placed on it. By that accounting, there's no difference in chisels except appearance. However, anyone who has to use chisels regularly can tell you, there's a huge difference between chisels, edge longevity and ease of paring wood. You need to test these qualities, not all the hubub you gave. Metal is not the only factor, but you seemed to stumble around the other facets as well. The differences between a tang chisel and a socket chisel are many and probably shouldn't be a comparative factor unless those differences are tho only differentiating factor in your decision because they serve different purposes. How a tang chisel is made has several options and how a socket chisel is made has even more. If you're going to discuss them, then you need to discuss which method you are evaluating for each type and then compare the types based on those definitions. Likewise, comparing handle composition and build, ferrules, etc. are things that need to be discussed. One company uses pine or fir and another uses Rosewood or Bubinga, there is again a huge price differential. I guess there are a lot of cost differences in the metal, handles, assembly choices and such that affect why one chisel costs $1 and another $100, and I won't even mention the five year old child, chained at the ankle making your chisel for a meal at the end of the day to the fine craftsmanship used by companies from G8 nations that pay for skill, machinery, safety and ecology. Consider all this when you decide where to spend your money. For my money, Lie Nielsen www.lie-nielsen.com/nodes/4099/bevel-edge-chisels, Veritas www.veritastools.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?cat=89, and IBC www.ibctools.ca/product/ibc-bench-chisels-walnut/ kzitem.info/news/bejne/tGqFv4WmhniQZIY are the chisels you should consider for anything but crude carpentry.
@WoodWorkLIFE
4 жыл бұрын
It was a long time ago, not even sure where my head was at with this one
@GrahamOrm
7 жыл бұрын
Clamp your work. NEVER cut towards you hand. 4:47
@Unconventional03
5 жыл бұрын
My mom bought me the Harbor Freight ones. I need to remove the Nub if I can.
@expletivesx999
5 жыл бұрын
Stanley did not copy that other chisel that other chisel is actually copying Stanley from like 70 years ago or something there's a video called history of chiseled and Design
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
flip that reverse it, I was talking off the top of my head and may have misspoke
@Tome4kkkk
7 жыл бұрын
I can confirm the problem with flattening Narex chisels. They are bitches to flatten! Very hard steel and piss poor flatness out of the box. I would even go so far and say you should avoid them if you don't have diamond plates. Not because only dimond can chew them. Because abrasive paper rounds the side edges and corners before you achieve flatness.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+Tome4kkkk glad I wasn't the only person with this experience.
@Tome4kkkk
7 жыл бұрын
An update. I went ahead with flattening them on high-quality sandpaper, from grit ~100, grdually up. First, second tries gave my rounded edges. Then I went with glued-on sandpaper (on a float glass plate), very careful not to roll them while moving, alternate 45 degree movement preferred. Result: still rounded edges in the end. Then the same but starting at 200 grit. Rounded edges! They are simply too hard to work them with moderate pressure and when you apply enough pressure for them to start biting into the steel finally you get into inevitable - rounded edges. I don't care about what magic sandpaper someone claims to be using. It gives in under pressure causing rounded edges. The only approach I would recommend is: absolute minimum flattening on a glued-on sandpaper of ~200 grit just to get anywhere flat near the edge and then move on to a flattened sharpening stone while you can! An absolute nightmare! And they rust within minutes. Literally. In the end I only managed to flatten them on a diamond plate. Still good value but I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole without either a diamond plate or a belt sander capable of establishing reasonable flattness. If you ever wondered about using a chisel sharpening service those bitches are the ones to send out for sharpening! It's only fair to say that the pricing of Narex chisels is only realistic after you take into account the cost of flattening.
@charleyweinhardt
2 жыл бұрын
any recommendation for best chisel for serious exterior abuse? basically I want decent sharpness as invincible as physically possible
@WesB1972
8 ай бұрын
A vintage set of USA made craftsman chisels from the 1950s and 60s. They were made by Western Forge and are good quality for construction work. I still use a set that I bought new in 1965.
@terrorfirma2764
6 жыл бұрын
I find it hard to justify spending 90 times the money on a "premium" brand as opposed to a value brand.
@cretudavid8622
3 жыл бұрын
"Why spend 90 times the money on premium wood furniture made by masters and people who enjoy what they are doing when you can just buy cheaper massed produced furniture? " That's basically what you are saying, what i am saying is that at the end of the day buying tools from tool manufacturers who enjoy and are pasionate about what they are doing is a huge reason for spending more money. The second reason is the conditions that the people work in China to produce those chisels... IT'S CLOSE TO SLAVERY. These tool companies that you are dissmissing as a waste of money pay their people a good wage and they enjoy their work. So in the end, why should you support people who don't even care about the tools they are making instead of the passionate ones (Narex,Lie Neelson, Veritas etc.)? P. S sorry 4 my bad english
@carbonitegamorrean8368
7 жыл бұрын
Quality steel = to be hardened & tempered to the proper HRC = edge retention = less sharpening.
@escaflowne33055
7 жыл бұрын
umm this video proved that was not the case. hardness does not equate edge retention. in fact the harder something is the more prone to shatter, because they are more brittle. this is why "harder" materials are used for impact resistance through their mass. anvils, hammers, rollers etc. the edge loses much of its impact resistance because it's a small fine edge, taking more of the brittle characteristics. there are expectations but it's not going to be steel here.
@jmt5516
7 жыл бұрын
This video "proved" something?
@mikesmicroshop4385
7 жыл бұрын
Hardness , in this case, to the correct level is a balance between soft and hard, giving you the best edge retention but not to hard to be brittle! If the steel is to soft it will not keep an edge as long as a blade that is correctly hardened. The steels ability to be hardened to the correct level is a function of the steels quality and formulation giving it the ability to be hardened to the level desired to give the best balance. I have used many different chisels over the last 50 years of woodworking and the extreme at both ends of the spectrum of price are in my experience not as desirable. One for the lack of quality steel and the other because of the price. The Narex has been the best of the bunch that I have used on quality and price, Stanley if you can find an older set is good too, but the newer stuff is not even close to the old quality. There is more to it than just edge life, there is also life of the tool, I have literally used up half inch and Three quarter inch chisels that were of low quality steel, but the better quality not only requires less sharpening, but you grind away less steel when sharpening each time as less was required to be removed to achieve a new edge. As far as flattening the backs, Yes it is great if they are ready to go. I however don't find the extra price a good reason here as well. You generally only have to flatten the back of your blades once in their lifetime, so it is not a big deal to have to do that one time!I agree that there is really no reason to spend $55 a chisel like a set of Lie-Nielsens but $12 or $13 per chisel for Narex works out to be fare to me! Everyone has their own idea of what is reasonable by way of price and quality. What is a good fit for me is not necessarily the same for another. I will not say anything bad about someone that needs to be frugal, god knows I have been there for more years than I would like as I am sure many have been. So buy a set of cheep tools if you need to, you may find that they are all you need especially if it turns out that you don't do as much woodworking as you thought you were going to. later if you find that your really hooked on the sport, then spend a little more for higher quality tools what ever you like, after all it is your money and your pride in the tools you have, and it really doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about the price.
@Firefoxtony
4 жыл бұрын
@@mikesmicroshop4385 love this comment mate. Couldn't have put it better, I completely agree with everything you're saying. Although I really don't need them, but I want some Lie Nielsen chisels lol.
@richardkowalski9580
4 жыл бұрын
For god sake please fix your material to the bench with a clamp. your going to loose a finger.
@WoodWorkLIFE
4 жыл бұрын
true true
@edgypyro
7 жыл бұрын
great video but plz turn off auto focus
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Sorry I had a lot of out of focus shot on some of my previous vids and was trying something new. I salvaged what I could, pardon a amateur cinematographer
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+Tom Ostberg point taken :)
@k.s.3748
3 жыл бұрын
don't hit any tool with your palm. You will have nerve damage when you are older, trust me son.
@WoodWorkLIFE
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks dad, ya you’re right😅. I was learning a bit from Paul sellers at the time. I since have adjusted my techniques
@boohoo1814
2 жыл бұрын
If you're on a budget buy the narex and turn your own handles to suit until you can afford better, that's what I did
@guidodiman
Ай бұрын
I just finished doing the same. Very nice chisels. I have a set of 6 from 1" down. All were reasonably flat and time spent tuning them up to razor sharp was also reasonable. I don't need anything but these because the difference isn't worth it. I also really liked making my own handles. If I can figure out how to link a pic I will.
@richardc6932
4 жыл бұрын
Cheap chisels for rough carpentry and the more pricy for fine work and those who appreciate the finer things in life and don’t mind paying for it. Sorry you didn’t review the IBC chisels, another great Canadian made product but expensive by some standards.
@missionron
5 жыл бұрын
Is this a serious video? This is NOT the guy to get information or demos frm, lol.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
this was a long time ago man, this is more an issue with me sucking in front of a camera and making a video.
@ShadowPoet
6 жыл бұрын
Basically a hobbyist review. Your criteria for which was easiest to sharpen gave me a good chuckle as you weren't sharpening anything you were re-profiling them. The harder your chisel is, the better it will keep an edge and the sharper that edge will be. Also, cutting anything on a wooden surface that isn't clamped down properly is not an accurate way of telling how a tool should perform. Chisel angles are typically engineered by the manufacturer bearing in mind the handle profile, blade length, overall length, hardness of the metal and blade profile. What on earth made you think that re-profiling something straight from a well respected manufacturer would be better than how they designed it? And for those of you that watch this later on looking for a decent chisel, NEVER hit a chisel with hand. It's a horrible habit and can cause long term damage to your hands if you do it frequently. This is silliness.
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
Legit thoughtful criticism dude. Thanks 🙏. I worked with the chisels off camera to actually get my impressions of the chisels. The on screen stuff was just b roll, and it was poorly clamped thinking I would get better shots (amateurish looking back at it). You’ve gotta start somewhere I suppose... I reprofiled the chisels to give them fair representation in similar species of wood and to take away any handicap a shitty steel with a high angle might have. Ease of sharpening is actually a legitimate point because unobtanium chisels may stay sharper for a little longer, but they would still not be suitable for hand joinery through more than a couple sets of dovetails. So you will need to resharpen the mid project. At a certain point a chisel can be too hard and skate on a sharpening plate. I personally like a balance of sharpenable and decent edge retention so I can periodically touch them up on a straup. My favorite on balance was really the ALDI chisel, but the veritas chisel was my favorite iteration of an unobtanium chisel. Thanks for the comment.
@ShadowPoet
6 жыл бұрын
I understand and apologize if I sounded demeaning, that wasn't my intention. As for sharpen-ability, the right set of sharpening stones and proper technique will take care of any typical hardness for the myriad of steels available (even up to the 63-64 rock for some folded japanese chisels). There's a really nice channel that tests various sharpening stones and is very informative. As for cutting angles, again, angles would be determined by the manufacturer based off of various criteria and changing them all to the "same" angle isn't a fair way to test different chisels from different manufacturers simply because it might not be the optimum angle designated by the manufacturer (for example, the Lie-N's should have had a 30 degree angle on them). Thanks for making content though, I'm sure it takes up a lot of your time and it's appreciated. STILL DON'T HIT CHISELS WITH YOUR HAND! Make us a nice mallet to gawk at :)
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
On the mallet will do brother. On the angles totally agree, I think if I didn’t change them I get flamed by one set of people and if I did I get flamed by the other. IMHO any chisel should be able to handle any angle as some task require higher/lower angles than others if a chisel can’t handle one angle or another it’s no use to me. Some of the cheaper machine hardened chisels were almost untouchable with my diamond stones, which makes me think they were likely brittle. I would rather roll an edge than shatter an edge. I had never done the “hand hammer” technique until I saw Paul sellers do it. I have since dropped it.
@robertwilson4704
6 жыл бұрын
I use the narex and Irwin. Mine were flat. I also have the mortise chisels for the Narex. I think they do the job and sharpening is not bad after the initial one. I can't afford the veritas.
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
Doing the job is key.
@destitute8493
6 жыл бұрын
Just buy one Veritas chisel in whatever width you use most frequently, and you won't have to lust after them. Another high end maker is Industrial Blade Co. Check them out: www.ibctools.ca
@drs-Rigo-Reus
5 жыл бұрын
Lie Nielsen was modelled after Stanley 750/Stanley sweetheart, not other way around. Veritas pmv11 winner takes all.
@farikomike524
7 жыл бұрын
oh great!..... the chisels i own won f••k all!
@Fazman81
5 жыл бұрын
Get you some Stanley FatMax chisels, I’ve been beating mine up for over 10 yrs and they are still going strong and hold an edge really well. I build and repair guitars so I use them on everything from Spruce to Maple, Mohagany to Ebony and they always do the job. You can get a set of 3 in 1/4”, 1/2” and 1” sizes for around $27 + tax. They are a great value and work just as well as those real expensive ones if you know how to sharpen and hone them.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
I've had them in the past and wasn't a hug fan, but I'll have to check them out again.
@johne7100
6 жыл бұрын
It's sad seeing Marples at the low end of the scale. I have some very nice Marples chisels from 40-50 years ago - one of which I rescued from use as a paint-can opener & stirrer.
@BryceKimball7.3
5 жыл бұрын
Older chisels like that are much better than the newer marples he was reviewing. The one he was reviewing was most likely made in China with crappy materials. 40 to 50 years ago they would've been made in the US with tool steels most likely. I have a stanly chisel that was made in the usa from my dad and it sharpens up and holds an edge very well. Stanly doent make much if anything in the usa anymore.
@richardsinger01
3 жыл бұрын
@@BryceKimball7.3Marples would be made in Sheffield 40 years ago, not USA. Not sure about Irwin, but I am unimpressed with all the modern Irwin tools I have.
@Miko-lo6wv
6 жыл бұрын
I have a set of antique Narex chisels that were still in the unopened box when I go them. The backs weren't anywhere near as bad as your example. And the edges they take are exceptional. I got sick of the blokes I was working with 'borrowing' these beautiful old tools, so I went out and bought a set of Stanley chisels for work, leaving my Narex set for home use. The Stanley chisels were a real pain to get into anything that I consider as working order. Though they do the job just fine now that they are. I just felt I had to stand up for the trusty Narex chisel, as I know mine are all great tools to use.
@Bogie3855
4 жыл бұрын
I have a set of Sheffield Steel I bought 20yrs ago and they have had hard use. My Irwins went away as they did not hold an edge. If I replaced them I would use Veritas.
@CPBuilds
7 жыл бұрын
I find that my IRWIN chisels are great for opening up cans of paint lol. No...they are ok. I really don't use chisels a whole lot but they work just fine for what I use them for.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
They're fine, it doesn't seem like you get a whole lot for the price difference compared to the practically free HF and ALDI chisels.
@midwestwoodworkingschool3658
6 жыл бұрын
Chris Parker I
@アネコ-y1s
4 жыл бұрын
In my country the cheapest chisel is 2 Dollars only
@WoodWorkLIFE
4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@krashunburn
5 жыл бұрын
Dude! Don't ever , Ever, EVER push a chisel toward your hand as you are doing at time mark 4:49. If you slip and the chisel jumps the stop-cut , it will take off your index finger! I pretty much stopped watching after that for fear that I would see more stuck-on-stupid demonstrations.
@Exiledk
5 жыл бұрын
I have a set of 6 Irwin Marples. Flatbacked right out of the box, took very little time to initiate them. They sharpen up well and hold their edge. I don't really understand your criticism of them. Maybe I just got lucky with the set I was given.... and maybe you weren't.
@mikew3924
5 жыл бұрын
Continually improperly using a chisel in so many ways I stopped the clip half way through. Not clamping your wood, heavy rubber mallet, pushing towards your hand. All so wrong! Plus I thought when cleaning a rabbit joint the angled side of the chisel is down to have control of depth, I mean even on a lathe technically the "flat"side is up. Good for you guy, got a bunch of people to watch you make a fool of yourself lol sorry, kind of
@thewalnutwoodworker6136
3 жыл бұрын
Those chisels from harbor freight are good enough to get you going for enough time to find a quality antique chisels.
@738polarbear
7 жыл бұрын
Heres a thought ,dont hit the chisel with your hand.and cerainly NEVER pare towards your hand .Hand BEHIND blade always.
@chrislawrence309
5 жыл бұрын
Why 27 degrees?
@jimspc07
3 жыл бұрын
Wood working with 2 hands is the way woodworkers do it. I wonder if you will make it to be a woodworker. Your visuals at 4.50 suggest you may not. Also if you intend to become an influencer then learn what to do and how to show it. Chiselling towards yourself or any part of your anatomy is not a way to become credible or able.
@MadeinSweden
7 жыл бұрын
never ever hit a chisel with your hands... it will cause extreme long term problems.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+Johan Friman I don't make a habit of it. But I know a lot of instructors teach it for whatever reason. I use a mallet for anything except pairing.
@will1867
7 жыл бұрын
Johan Friman like what kind of problems
@HeavyTone66
7 жыл бұрын
Will your joints will suffer as well as possible nerve damage. The myelin sheath that protect the nerve becomes swollen causing nerve pain.
@will1867
7 жыл бұрын
Tony Jaros oh I had no idea, I'm very new to wood working and didn't think much of hitting the tool with a bare hand
@HeavyTone66
7 жыл бұрын
Will, its best to always use a mallet or small hammer. First thing is you dont get your fingers or hands in front of the sharp edge, second, you have better control over the cut. The presenter should have secured the workpiece properly also.
@Bogie3855
4 жыл бұрын
You have made work for yourself. Standard chisel bevel is 25 degrees with a 30 degree micro bevel. Should have just left them as is.
@bodycollagencom1448
4 жыл бұрын
Eh... it is the same like e.i. kitchen knifes. I like cooking, so it is the same. You have great japanese knife in one hand and cheap knife for less than a Dollar in another... the answer is japanese, thought it is expansive - due to its durability. Once U sharpen it, it goes for a long time without sharpeninig every 5 mins. Another thing - I have japanese knieves 13 years. And I didn't cut myself once. So... my experience says: quality.
@ozgundemirr
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, I wish you had included the pfeil and two cherries chisels too and maybe some japanese ones.
@sofianebenhadj60
5 жыл бұрын
very very good
@amdenis
5 жыл бұрын
I only had one bad Narex out of about 19, which was a new Narex. Note that the have a “pro” line too. Maybe they vary with batch? I have 6 different brands, one of which isa Japanese blue steel. The Vaiax and Narex are the best “value” chisels, and the Daitei are the best I have used.
@deemdoubleu
5 жыл бұрын
Next time get a joiner to do the practical work!
@janoginski5557
2 жыл бұрын
A bit late in the game here but just to correct you, the chisels are hollow ground, this isn’t a fault or a problem that’s how chisels should be, they should not be totally flat. Trust me that’s the deal, technical reason
@colinbarnett7441
5 жыл бұрын
Quick tip. Try to smile at the camera a bit more. Not necessary but more pleasant to watch😃👍🏼.
@MintStiles
5 жыл бұрын
Chisels seem to require lots of maintenance. I o let use them for rough work, so until I have the time to kill, I just run it on the random orbit sander on finer grits, works good enough for 2x4s. screw drivers (as long as the fit is good) seem to be another consumable that don’t last as long as things such as good pliers and good diagonal cutters
@DavidWhite
8 ай бұрын
Which Narex chisel did you use. Narex Richter chisels review a lot better than what you are saying
@suit1337
7 жыл бұрын
i also bought the Aldi chisels after i saw a paul sellers video some time ago - not disappointed - compared to my much more expensive Stubai chisels i can see no difference at all
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
I give them as gifts anytime I can find a set
@5000loto
7 жыл бұрын
I have quite a few chisels including a set of Lie-Nielsen (5) and Two Cherries (6). I also have a bunch of garage sale chisels that include vintage Stanley 750 socket chisels, Buck Brothers, Thistle,.... the list goes on. The vintage Stanley are nice for history’s sake but do not hold an edge compared to the LN. The Two Cherries are nice for fine work, paring and shaping but are a bit lightweight for chopping. The LN do everything I need very we’ll and my set is old enough for include the 1/8” size which I use a lot. Are the LN and Veritas worth the price? Depends on your disposable funds and how much you like to sharpen.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+John Murphy couldn't have set it better myself. The tool doesn't make the man.
@thewalnutwoodworker6136
3 жыл бұрын
you can spend hundreds on a premium tool o r you can buy one that's 100 years old and just as good at a flea market.
@bigdaddy1363
2 жыл бұрын
Harbor freight chisels are great for using as a scrapers. Never bought them for wood.
@lbhunter6341
2 жыл бұрын
There are quite a few things that a bargain unit is sufficient quality...tools aren't one of em
@timking1050
Жыл бұрын
Hate ta say it but having veritas chisels and aldis chisels those cheapest gave 2 years good service still cut pretty good
@lindanwfirefighter4973
5 жыл бұрын
How about the Japanese 10 chisel set that costs $31,000? Some how I doubt they are worth all that money. 😳
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@Exiledk
3 жыл бұрын
Which ones are made in China? Because I won't buy them...
@ronin4711
6 жыл бұрын
I think that normally everyone wants to buy/achieve/get the best products that are existing on the market. Do you really need the best? That is highly debatable because of individual income and resources... I believe (from my own experience) that a superior chisel will cut for a longer time if put to similar tests however, in many cases it just shows that a cheap chisel will do better for you if you use it for rough woods with possible latent nails or staples, I bet you will feel very foolish if you hit a nail with your $100 chisel or a Mega $ Japanese chisel! That is where the cheap chisels are for. If you can afford the best, buy it for intricate wood working, you can't beat that but, for the rest of us, the mere mortals, the cheap to medium price chisels will do just fine... As for those who buy the Mega $ Japanese chisels, they can make a good conversation piece over an 18 year old Single Malt Whiskey or Bourbon.
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
Great comment so true, its funny mostly I use my cheap chisels. I use my nice chisels almost exclusively for pairing and finish work.
@keats182
7 жыл бұрын
I liked the comparisons. Even when you were talking about the grip you acknowledged that is really just personal taste. The only thing I wish you would have clarified is which chisel went dull first. They'll all eventually go dull with use. But was there a chisel that held its edge longer? I watched all the videos on Veritas's chisels. Supposedly it is awesome, at least according to them. I bought one of their plane irons but haven't used it enough to make a judgment. I own a set of Narex chisels. You are absolutely right about the hollow on the bottom. The hollow grind on the bevel is preferred by some. But it took me forever to flatten the backs of all my Narex chisels. Thanks for taking the time and money to test all of the chisels.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Edge retention is sort of a double edge sword. If the chisel retains and edge better it also going to be a bugger to sharpen. I was trying to test edge retention with cutting the mortise, but unfortunately after that test none of them were "sharp." Not an exhaustive, or scientific opinion, but I can tell you from my own personal use, the Veritas and the Lie Nielsen chisels hold and edge through a whole project (sharp enough to shave), just needing honing a few times for fine work. The Narex, Stanley, and ALDI chisels are probably in the same league edge retention wise. The Irwin and the HF are at the bottom edge retention wise, they both roll an edge very easily, but the HF chisels are a joy to sharpen, they put on such a sharp edge so fast.
@jimbo2629
7 жыл бұрын
Wood.Work.LIFE. I was looking for edge retention comparison. The longer the better. I have no problem with sharpening taking a long time. I use a worksharp set to its most acute angle. It takes a couple of seconds before use. I bought a set of Sorby bevel edged with box wood handles decades ago. They are very comfortable. If I were starting up I would like sharp bevel edges for cutting dovetail joints, hard steel and boxwood handles.
@keats182
7 жыл бұрын
The softer the steel the easier they are to sharpen and the quicker they are to lose an edge. When I was doing my own research on steels and chisels, I heard the O1 steels take a finer edge but need to be sharpened more often. The A2 steel is much harder, doesn't take quite as fine an edge but holds it longer. Those are the two main tool steels. Then there are the Chromium manganese steel that most chisels are made of. I think with most of them, if you simply strop them regularly, you will rarely have to sharpen them. It's easier to maintain an edge than create one. I think you're paying for the fit and finish on the higher end chisels more than anything else. Look up Blue Spruce Toolworks if you really want sticker shock. They're over $100 a chisel. But out of the box they're flat and the handles are excellent. But are they worth the price tag? I bought a set of their dovetail chisels because they were ground specifically to get into tight areas. I don't regret buying them but I do think there are other cheaper options that would work just as well.
@magicdaveable
5 жыл бұрын
I have to make a couple of points regarding your critique of these chisels. First thing I noticed was that you compared obvious "push" handles with those clearly reinforced for striking with a mallet. Then suggesting that one of them (Aldi) had a "nub" that was uncomfortable to use. It has that steel ring to allow the use of a mallet without splitting. Oh yeah and "pairing" is a function of cutting and is spelled "paring." My chisels are mostly hand forged by me. I found it easier to make what I need when it comes to chisels and plane irons. That way I can control the quality of the tool steel and it's hardness and temper. I learned blacksmithing and carpentry as a youngster back in the 1950's from "old guys" that were incredibly skilled at their crafts.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
The harbor freight had the "nub" & these are all "bench chisels" which to me means general purpose so I tested them across use cases, but I agree it I'm posting ble to nail every egonomic with one handle design. I WISH I knew how to forge and could chose my own tool steel and heat treat for a bench chisel then design the perfect handle, probably something like is in "the perfect grip screwdriver"...oh man know I want to make this thing.
@buildflow
6 жыл бұрын
Omg... do you not understand chisels? The hollow is why it holds a flat tip, and keeping it flat is easier to maintain.
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
a hollow is fine, but it needs to be square with the blade and intentional. The Stanley SH has a great hollow, that looks to be intentional. The irwins, and the Aldi chisels did not.
@londiniumarmoury7037
5 жыл бұрын
Anyone else here got some new chrome vanadium chisels? can I ask you all have you guys found they get rusty way faster than other types of tools? I hate chrome vanadium, you would think the chromium content makes them somewhat rust resistant, but they seem to rust faster than straight carbon steel.
@seasonedtoker
6 жыл бұрын
I tried many cheaper ones and they were all disastrous until I found a company here in my country that has made chisels for over 30 years. Nothing fancy, not the Narex or LN, but at 12 euros a pieces and just a bitch of a steel to sharpen. I think the quality of the blade is sufficient for my needs. It took me an hour to grind a 25 deg bevel on the face. Butbonce established it really cuts nicely. If you can spend the time for initial sharpening, I say go get the hardest steel for the money
@WoodWorkLIFE
6 жыл бұрын
I would rather have hand made from someone who knows their metalurgy than almost anything on the market. I might post a follow up on this soon looking at Veritas vs. Handmade Japanese Chisels. Hopefully you can find a machine shop willing to mill the back flat and get you started on a good bevel. Stones wont touch good steel if the smith doesn't want them to.
@Kikilang60
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Very helpful. Yes, cleaning up dove tails.
@crs1012
5 жыл бұрын
Paul Sellers recommends the Aldi chisels. Good enough for him... good enough for anyone.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. They are some of my favorite chisels.
@paulround8501
3 жыл бұрын
That Narex should have been sent back for replacement. None of mine were like that and if they had arrived twisted like that would have gone straight back. Also you got the Narex carpenters chisels there, they do a much finer version better for hand joinery with a better handle for using without a mallet.
@WoodWorkLIFE
3 жыл бұрын
Ya you are probably right. Maybe they don't have the same level of QC on carpenters chisels.
@MAGAMAN
7 жыл бұрын
Couple things really jumped out at me. 1) do you not own clamps? It's hard to really judge how a chisel is working when your wood is skidding all over the place. 2) NEVER CUT TOWARD YOUR HAND. Shoving a chisel into a piece of wood with your hand directly in it's path is the stupidest, most amateur thing anyone could do. Makes it very hard for me to your opinion seriously when you can't even follow the most basic safety rules.
@thatguythatdoesstuff7448
6 жыл бұрын
Small tips for anyone that is setting up a new set of chisels and you find enormous convex bellies on the back. 1) Option 1: Get a cheap rotary tool (Dremel like tool) and some grinding stones. Lap just a little and then use the rotary for a while on an area slightly larger than where the stone lapped. Do that until you get the result you want. Much, much faster than pushing the chisel across the stone a couple hundred thousand times. 2) Better option: Send them back. I did option 1 on a set of Stanley Bailey chisels, made in Sheffield England that had shockingly awful machining/finishing. I will never, EVER put that kind of time into a tool again.
@corymiller9854
Жыл бұрын
I use coarse blue sandpaper stuck to the table. A 2 inch Narex took me 15 m max to flatten way worth your time.
@thatguythatdoesstuff7448
Жыл бұрын
@@corymiller9854 That's because Narex are manufactured to a far better standard than these Stanley chisels were. You're not flattening the chisels I dealt with using sandpaper in 15 minutes. Or even 15 hours. If I hadn't already done it, I would gift and ship you the chisel so you could see how bad it was. I'm using DMT diamond stones and Shapton ceramic. Very fast metal removal.
@corymiller9854
Жыл бұрын
@@thatguythatdoesstuff7448 Yup my friend your method slow real slow.
@TimothyTucker0
Жыл бұрын
4:49 made me wince. I thought you were about to gouge a hunk out of you left hand!
@seanc7151
7 жыл бұрын
I am looking for some new chisels. I had forgotten about the Aldi chisels from Paul Sellers. Thanks!
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+Sean C they are not from Paul Sellers they are from ALDI, Liie the grocery store. They are usually on sale around father's day when they have all the tools out.
@jaywoodson2231
5 жыл бұрын
I would put a 35 degree micro bevel on mortising chisels. Even Harbor Freight chisels will perform wonders.
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
Probably much better performance, but this was just sort of a like for like test. I wanted to see where they failed and where they excelled.
@ronmiller7916
6 жыл бұрын
Horribly dangerous techniques
@mirceacostineanu4103
5 жыл бұрын
If i were you i would corect that statement about stanley copying lie nielsen in the video,thats not ok for people who are counting on youtube for information...put a text in the video...it's easy to corect 😉
@WoodWorkLIFE
5 жыл бұрын
sorry i misspoke, good idea. I will see if I can do that. totally forgot about that as a correction.
@phillipyeager3176
7 жыл бұрын
Enjoy the video immensely. I have professional grade japanese bench chisels which hold an edge very well. I'm retentive about honing before, and, after use. I have 2 Narex long paring chisels which I'm very happy with, and a set of Pfeil short butt chisels which have immaculate steel. I have both LN and Veritas hand planes which is where I spent my money. Also wild about vintage Bedrocks and wooden planes. Just a tool junkie. Thanks for the video.
@phillipyeager3176
7 жыл бұрын
Happy, there is such a wide array out there now, that I hesitate to make any recommendation. Go with hand forged craftsmanship. If you can afford it, the blue steel laminate holds an edge very well. I have the middle grade (professional) ori-gami white steel laminate that I'm very happy with. I'm retentive about keeping the edge up to speed, and hone before and after each use. Good luck. Even Grizzly is selling japanese chisels now. I got mine from Traditional Woodworker, but they are no longer in business.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
No problem Phillip, I have some white steel Japanese chisels coming. I am debating doing a follow up on this video. What do you think? In researching Japanese chisels I have learned so much about the historical and modern manufacturing process of the forging and smithing those amazing tools, I also didn't realize how much of the best Japanese steel isn't even coming from Japan anymore. Come to think of it, how could a smith afford the rent in Japan anymore...
@HondoTrailside
5 жыл бұрын
I own the best chisels, and have had them since the 70s. If you are skilled you can probably figure out a way to cut dovetails with a modified butter knife. But the best chisels are better. One thing that confuses maters these days is that there are a lot of people making chisels today that weren't doing so say 15 years ago. So what do you expect. Two things about Japanese chisels is that i have never seen a test, in the mags, that was done by someone who the ability to use those chisels, and that even if they made racist comments about them, didn't still come out rating them highest. They are just better. A lot of people shouldn't have them, and don't need them, but they still come out on top if you care. Second, there are what I call Tourist Chisels out there. I went to one renowned shop. I wanted to get an extremely expensive set of Japanese push chisels with boxwood handles. I knew real chisels didn't have boxwood handles on them, but they wouldn't hurt anything on push chisels, so I was going to get them regardless. Anyway I gave them a good once over, and they were awful, nothing was lined up, bad welds complete crap. The maker is an Icon, so I looked for a set with white oak handles and they are great. I got them home and sharpened them, and they are awesome. I am tempted to believe they were 2nds so they slapped fancy handles on them and shipped them to America, which does not make me respect them despite the great stuf they sometimes make. Also I am totally trusting of the seller, he is a good carpenter, and honest, but he didn't spot the low quality, he was just as snowed by the pretty looks. So don't buy stuff if you can't spot the garbage that is out there. A lot of people get into woodworking for the consumer challenge, and don't have the skills to make serious choices, though they may have fun anyway.
@bigjohn606
5 жыл бұрын
All my chisels are old and bought 2nd hand. Good quality Sheffield steel by makers such as R. Sorby which are perfectly flat and super sharp... they piss over any modern Irwin or Marple chisels and can be purchased for a few pounds.
@ebbios
7 жыл бұрын
I owned a few pieces of old NOS carl schlieper (eye brand) firmer chisels. In my country chinese made chisels are the ones flooding the market rather than western ones. Anybody had any experiences with carl schlieper chisels? I love them and in my opininion a really good quality tools but I just wanted to know the comparisons between carl schlieper chisels with other western made chisels. Any thoughts anyone?
@robertelder4279
Жыл бұрын
They come 25 degrees from factory not 27 !!!!!
@jrichardson6
5 жыл бұрын
Gsus clamp the workpiece!!
@BitchspotBlog
7 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, you didn't answer your own question. We know all chisels cut, but comparing a $5 Aldi chisel to a $100 Veritas chisel, does the Veritas give you 20x the performance? Even in lifespan, when you can buy more than 20 Aldis for the cost of a single Veritas, do you think you'll ever need that?
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+Bitchspot Blog that was the point, I don't want to tell you how to think. They all dulled in challenging wood. The cheapest steel is the easiest to sharpen. The fit and finish of the high end chisels makes initial setup time negligible and pain free. Ergonomics leans toward the high/mid range. All of those are factors in helping you make a value decision. Personally, I would buy either the Stanley sweetheart as a high quality value pick, although I have heard a mixed bag of quality from the factory so mine might have been an anomaly. Or buy once cry once and get at least your most used chisels from Veritas. Truth be told, buy what you can afford when you need it.
@BitchspotBlog
7 жыл бұрын
I was just pointing out that you asked a question in your video title, but never answered it. I own a wide variety of chisels that range from Lie Nielsen down. While I love the high end, I think a lot of people simply buy them as status symbols, not because they are actually demonstrably better than lower-end (the so-called mid-range) chisels. They don't actually cut any better, they don't actually last any longer, they just cost more.
@WoodWorkLIFE
7 жыл бұрын
+Bitchspot Blog I agree with you, some people also think it is all about hardness of the steel too, when some cheaper mid range chisels have insanely hard steel (to a fault). The value proposition for those high end chisels is a complex one. A sharp chisel is sharp regardless of price but then comes ergonomics: blade length, hand size, blade thickness, bevel edge...That is where I tried to share my feeling on without speaking in absolutes.
@koskey06
7 жыл бұрын
Why pay that much for a chisel? You said it yourself... They are all dull. So that means they all need sharpen. So after a while you will run out of steel to sharpen.... but cheap, easy to sharpen ones. I'm more of a mechanic only only do a few woodworking projects here and there. So why don't workers just use a full metal chisel?
@350streetracer
6 жыл бұрын
I think you got it backwards. Lie Nielsen copied the vintage 750s design. The new SWs 750 are just based on their old design.
@patriciajrs46
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison. Nice video. I am learning and gathering some information. I want to make the best choice that I am able. Do you have any proof and opinion on spoon chisels? Wide mouth ones and narrow, half pointed spoon ones?
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