Apple achieves similar performance to these high end dedicated Nvidia GPUs with their integrated chips with almost 4 times less power. They don't lose performance when unplugged. That itself is an engineering marvel.
@lnvincible
Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine, if the current Apple M processors were to use the same wattage(over 500W+), can you imagine the amount of performance they’re going to wield? Pretty remarkable stuff what Apple has been doing.
@scott-richardson
Жыл бұрын
@@lnvincible Would be crazy if they could up the voltage and really push the chips, but from what I have read and understand - and please don't hold me to it as I'm not an expert - is that you cannot just increase the voltage/clock/power usage on these ARM chips without some severe sacrifices/issues/stability. I believe they are designed and engineered in such a way to work within a very fine GHz clock speed. As the memory, GPU etc are all on the same die, they all need to be working nicely with the power envelop and clock speed assigned.
@crestofhonor2349
Жыл бұрын
Their desktop GPUs yes but I'm curious about the laptop GPUs which are considerably more efficient than their desktop GPUs. I'm curious how a 45w RTX 4060 or 4070 does up against a M2 Pro or Max in a laptop. Edit: By using Notebook Check's measurements the M2 Pro and max are about 35% more efficient than a laptop 4060 or 4070.
@AnastasTarpanov
Жыл бұрын
@@crestofhonor2349 and in the case of an unplugged machine you have a 1/3 or half the performance of the Nvidia chip or if it's working at full performance you have at best 2-3 hours of a very noisy and hot machine.
@blessing2757
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, let's pay 3999$+ so that you have less performance than a PC and we can save up some electricity cost in the long term.
@slytherben
Жыл бұрын
After 14 years of using Mac, our studio just switched to PC. The performance of 13900k and 4090 is mind-boggling and costs half as much. We're so amazed by PC
@defnotatroll
Жыл бұрын
Why'd they switch?
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
As long as you're not locked into Apple specific programs (e.g. Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro) the performance of PC hardware is outpacing Apple development.
@khoifoto
Жыл бұрын
Im my place, the electricity cost is too much, M2 Ultra actually save me $1,000 per year compared to my 13900K + 4090. My upgrade cycle is 2 years, so $2000 in electricity saving + the resell value of M2 Ultra machines is good enough for me.
@luismigueloteromolinari5406
Жыл бұрын
Really working on windows feels mediocre against working on Mac, I do both.
@slytherben
Жыл бұрын
@@luismigueloteromolinari5406 how? Specifically? I’ve worked on windows for about two weeks now. I’m just using adobe products. I don’t even see windows doing anything. I’m even using the studio display, so I have the same 5k experience. Different mouse and keyboard. But for my work flow in post-production OS has zero impact
@samwu1836
Жыл бұрын
And there you have it…. Apple finally confirmed the death of professional Macs for the foreseeable future. The new Mac Pro is barely staying relevant the moment it was released, but being unable to add a new GPU to the PCIe slots is a freakin’ joke. Some pros use PCIe slots for niche hardware, but literally all professionals and consumers use PCIe to improve their graphics every few years. Yep, pay 3000 USD extra over the Mac Studio for useless PCIe slots. System on a chip… yeah, so when any part of that stupid chip is outdated the entire system is outdated… well here I am with a $4000 M2 Max, but only cause I’m a slave to Logic Pro and music production.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for Logic Pro and Final Cut, many people would have moved on from Macs long ago. The Mac Studio will likely be useful until Apple decides to cancel support which, looks like every 7yrs (5yrs for macOS versions + 2yrs security updates on the last supported macOS version).
@olnnn
Жыл бұрын
While a top of the line PC beats it in raw perf, the M2 Ultra is crazy more power efficient.
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
300W ?
@rea1m_
Жыл бұрын
@@uribak9144 lol 3090 alone eats more than the whole M2 Ultra SoC
@ayaanbari6711
Жыл бұрын
Lol no one cares power consumption in PC/Desktop form factor
@hasansahin7965
Жыл бұрын
@@ayaanbari6711 lol more power consumption means more environmental pollution + spending or wasting more money.
@crestofhonor2349
Жыл бұрын
@@hasansahin7965 Not quite. That will depend on the task. A task that's done much quicker might consume less power even if the GPU as a whole consumes more. If the test is done quick enough the 4090 might be the better choice per watt because it finished the task that much quicker. It's not one GPU consumes less power therefore it's better for the job. If that job takes significantly longer than that more efficient GPU might end up consuming more power from the wall in the long run. And yes power consumption is less important in a desktop than a laptop because they do not have to worry about battery life. This is why the M1 and M2 Ultra do not exist in their laptops.
@DouglasHewitt
Жыл бұрын
This is great, exactly the comparisons I was looking for to get a general idea of performance. Certainly the pricing on the Macs is not ideal, still, it should be noted that you can get a M2 Max in a 14in laptop, that's like walking around with a 6700XT or PS5 in a very thin and light enclosure with great battery life, which no PC can do. I think this should excite game developers on what's possible and as the market of apple silicon Macs grow. I would think it would be possible to optimize for Metal and apple silicon in a console like way not possible on PCs, and scale across the platform. So games just scale resolution and settings Low, Med, High, across M1 / M2, Pro, Max, Ultra. I wonder how new games like No Man's Sky and Death Stranding will compare on a list like this, and if it will be more or less favorable to the Mac than the Wild life extreme benchmark.
@defnotatroll
Жыл бұрын
Macs are streets ahead when it comes to laptops and efficiency. No contest. Only AMD could possibly offer an alternative but they don't take laptop supply seriously at all
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
From a laptop perspective, Apple is closer while using much less power. I love all day battery life. For me, Apple is the clear winner in laptops. I generally don't recommend the M2 Max in the 14" MBP since it is power limited and will not deliver "Max" sustained performance like in the 16" MBP. I can't get excited for gaming on a Mac for two reasons: 1. Cost - Macs capable of higher gaming performance (think 60-series of GPUs and higher) are priced like workstations and I will never buy a workstation to game 2. Game availability - Getting a couple of "old" AAA games ported over every year is not good enough and demonstrates Apple is not serious. They could easily fund the porting of many games and yet they don't. They only do just enough to keep people and investors excited.
@hifumibestgirl
Жыл бұрын
If Macs could game like high end PCs, I would never buy a PC again. I own an expensive Mac and PC (7950x3D, 4090, etc), and I like my Mac more in pretty much every way. When you work on an Apple machine, it feels like a luxury experience; everything works well together without having to do much work. I also appreciate my PC, but I had to do a lot of work to get the most out of a lot of my programs and games, and Windows still feels corporate and clunky.
@Xankill3r
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC agreed. If Apple were serious (like Valve) they could've made the toolkit available to end users instead of limiting it via EULA to game developers. This would also ensure that Apple puts in time and resources into improving the entire ecosystem of Wine + Vulkan/DX to Metal on Mac. Just like how Valve commits resources to Proton development.
@macgamer1973
Жыл бұрын
I run no man sky on Mac Pro 6,1 with Radeon Vega 56 like butter
@jorgem50
Жыл бұрын
The ability to build and upgrade a pc is why I only use a PC. IDC how fast an m2 is if I can't upgrade or tinker with it I don't want it.
@macgamer1973
Жыл бұрын
I hear you brother. I remember growing up , heading down to radio shark for a reset button for my Commodore 64
@BrendonCarr
Жыл бұрын
It's remarkable the level of GPU performance Apple gets per watt of electricity consumed.
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
And that means what for desktop computers?
@Teluric2
Жыл бұрын
Its remarkable how much apple charges for normal storage. 256GB SSD in " pro" model..thats is a joke and insult
@BrendonCarr
Жыл бұрын
@@evacody1249 - I suppose it means you can save US$1000 per year in electricity you're not using.
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
@@BrendonCarr🙄 and you don't know much about the watting for the Mac studio or PC.
@Leo69WTF
Жыл бұрын
@@evacody1249When U have studio with 20-50 of them it saves nice buck
@soraaoixxthebluesky
Жыл бұрын
M2 Max 38-core GPU are only slightly faster than the Series X so it makes sense. As Apple started to support AAA games now I wish they will include RT support as part of the hardware in the future. This will also going to help people who develop a 3D animation or games on a platforms like UE5 or Blender. But still a I don’t know if Apple can compete in an oflline Ray Tracing workload like OptiX can.
@DouglasHewitt
Жыл бұрын
doesn't apple already do RT? I'm not sure if its hardware or software tho
@soraaoixxthebluesky
Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasHewittNo they don't.
@pweddy1
Жыл бұрын
The lack of functional upgradability makes these a joke to anyone working in IT. I had to argue with our CTO over the amount of Ram in servers. The cost of upgrades for these are more than servers. IT departments have budgets, they don’t buy hardware just because it has a logo on it. They buy hardware that gets the job done even when the users don’t like the hardware. Apple is making itself a luxury brand and no one who has a budget is going to buy these.
@khoifoto
Жыл бұрын
Big studio on the other hand, has large budget than your typical IT department. Those new shiny Macs are designed for those people instead.
@kleanthisgroutides7100
Жыл бұрын
@khoifoto Big studios aren't buying Mac's anymore... the primary platform for Unity and Unreal are PC's... especially using NVidia cards of which Apple has abandoned support for.
@khoifoto
Жыл бұрын
@@kleanthisgroutides7100 the ones who are still working with prores 4444 or raw for example
@arghpee
Жыл бұрын
Amazing explaination! I have a 5900x and 3080ti, so im glad i have a better price to performance than a current gen m2 ultra, although M2 Ultra is geared towards Business and Servers.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@davidgrisez
Жыл бұрын
There is another area where Apple Silicon performs a lot better than Intel and AMD cpus and Nvidia and AMD graphics cards. The area where Apple Silicon performs a lot better is that the Apple Silicon has a lot lower electricity energy draw. For a business that uses a lot of computers this can make a significant difference in the electricity bill. With Apple Silicon there is incredible performance with less electricity energy.
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
And for businesses it is cheaper to buy PCs in bulk then then a Mac Studio which won't run all the programs they need.
@schizofennec
Жыл бұрын
Okay now achieve those power levels with 1/6 the wattage and while the laptop isnt on AC... Apples tech is more impressive, ARM is way ahead of x64
@STeroidsnicca
Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
What exactly is impressive if still x86 processors are much faster, pathetic.
@STeroidsnicca
Жыл бұрын
@@uribak9144 apple silicon is way more power efficient.
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
@@STeroidsnicca Performance is more important to me, I don't buy a processor to save electricity. In addition, from what I've seen and read, M2 Pro processors and above are already less efficient than M1.
@jimbig3997
Жыл бұрын
The elephant in the room that you missed is the M2-Ultra's performance in running LLMs (Large Language Model) AIs. This almost makes me want to buy a mac.
@koctf3846
11 ай бұрын
I dont think a M2 ultra could be any faster than a RTX3090. In fact, if you run some deadass UE5 games (optimized for apple metal), the m2 ultra has much lower framerate than a 3090
@moddaudio
Жыл бұрын
Truth is that the base level mac has 8gb of memory, which is half of the 16gb on a PS5. It is going to be impossible to port modern titles with half the memory and make them look as good.
@X10Z24
2 ай бұрын
maybe we could get them if they stop charging so damn much for an extra 8gb
@woolfel
Жыл бұрын
as a programmer, the thing that matters most to me is running tensorflow and pytorch. For that, the M2Ultra is a far better deal than forking over 20K for Nvidia A100 80G. The target for M2Ultra is video professionals and ML programmers. On my M2Max, I can train with images 300x300 with batch sizes of 256, my RTX 2060 can't.
@dtox316
Жыл бұрын
Try 4090. It's much better for ml workloads and mobile version will run you cheaper than mac
@nhanNguyen-wo8fy
Жыл бұрын
Dude if you want Pytorch and Tensorflow just go for GTX 4090. Nvidia professional GPU card used to use in Solid work huge mechanical 3d model.
@nhanNguyen-wo8fy
Жыл бұрын
Now Nvidia Professional GPU is best for sth you need to run 24/4 for a week a month with accuracy.😅😅😅 Like solving large model of differential equation model (where the previous value can affect the next value). GTX already catch up with computing side, you pay huge money is for stability.
@floppa9415
Жыл бұрын
hmmm yes my M2 Ultra happens to be better than a lower midrange 2019 GPU. How surprising.
@nhanNguyen-wo8fy
Жыл бұрын
@floppa9415 No, it's not. A100 used as GPU for a server and trained 24/7 for weeks. That's why it is expensive. This guy is comparing tomatoes to aple
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915
Жыл бұрын
Apple is impressive and PC people shouldn't hate. Apple are helping to raise their own as well as PC performance to keep pace. I am a lifelong PC user and although I can't see myself using a MAC for anything, it doesn't mean I can't admire what they have done and how far they have come with their own silicon.
@macgamer1973
Жыл бұрын
Apple hurting our right to repair and tinker with our hardware. The new macs are a joke, apple took way our right to upgrade. You can’t make your own choice of ram, drive, etc in your computer. An pc world going to allow apple tactics
@Tommy-gc7us
Жыл бұрын
@@macgamer1973it’s another example of architects ruining everything
@michaellatta
Жыл бұрын
Gaming is not the target for the studio. I ran Bauldur’s Gate 3 on an M1 Max at 4k on ultra settings. It matters if the software is optimized for the hardware. And the Mac uses less power than just the graphics card on a PC
@macgamer1973
Жыл бұрын
It funny how apple stop intel Mac running BG3. However installing the same game, under windows 10 has no problem running it. Now why would apple be so evil to do that
@michaellatta
Жыл бұрын
@@macgamer1973 I am sure it is not Apple doing that. Larian probably did not have the time or people to get it to work on Macs with such limited graphics or market. It runs on Apple silicon but would not run on older intel laptops.
@CTD_Roblox.By-Beans
Жыл бұрын
It is not very fair to compare apples with pears. It's not just graphics performance that matters. For example, access to memory is many times more efficient with Apple. The CPU performance is also very different. Separately, the power consumption is simply unmatched.
@lorsheckmolseh3345
Жыл бұрын
Apples to oranges... no Raytracing in M2
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
That's a good point!
@jktech2117
Жыл бұрын
remember guys: this is an APU, and it is great as cpu and as gpu
@crestofhonor2349
Жыл бұрын
I mean it's an APU that sits on a absolutely massive die. AMD and Intel APUs are far smaller because they don't put as much stuff on the die. AMD can and has made APUs that perform extremely well, look at the PS5 and Xbox Series S and X. Both of those are APUs as well and don't need a dGPU
@nico3064
Жыл бұрын
That's still the biggest problem that even if it was priced competitively, there are still way to few games to play. The selection of games on Windows is just unreached
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Yes, and Apple is not doing much to increase the number of games to close that gap.
@kunemann
Жыл бұрын
If games are your priority, then you are not the right target group. I’m a Mac user and fan and have to admit to myself that Macs are just not good in 3D rendering and games
@Solunex
Жыл бұрын
@@kunemannthe macs are powerful enough, but there are barely any games
@kunemann
Жыл бұрын
@@Solunex you’re clearly not talkling from experience like I do! I have an iMac i9 with an AMD RX5700XT… it’s a very capable machine, don’t get me wrong, but for 3D rendering and pathtracing nothing comes near a RTX GPU from Nvidia
@Solunex
Жыл бұрын
@@kunemann ah for stuff like that, yes
@ozzie2545
Жыл бұрын
Your comparing apples with oranges, at what resolution did you test?, and with what cpu did u team up the amd and nvidia gpu's?
@macgamer1973
Жыл бұрын
It was apple start this compare gaming. Did you forget their ad
@utubekullanicisi
Жыл бұрын
Also keep in mind, Cinebench is proven to not run as fast on Apple Silicon as it should be. Cinebench uses a CPU renderer called Intel Embree written for Intel AVX2 SIMD which has a weak port to the ARM NEON SIMD library. Basically the M2 Ultra's CPU cores aren't stressed properly. On Geekbench 6, the M2 Ultra is in line with the i9-13900K, with the fastest OC'd KS models being ~15% faster.
@FBL9982
Жыл бұрын
Geekbench Is fake
@utubekullanicisi
Жыл бұрын
@@FBL9982 That's meaningless.
@dat_21
Жыл бұрын
Geekbench was (and is) apple-favoured for YEARS. Remember the news when they claimed that CPU in iPhone was more powerful that the desktop one? You don't but I do. Geekbench is a joke.
@utubekullanicisi
Жыл бұрын
@@dat_21 Who claimed thr CPU in iPhone was more powerful than the desktop one? Apple? Even if they claimed that and that seemed to be the case on Geekbench I don't think there was any way to know if that was true or false until we could run desktop applications on Apple silicon when they released the M1. And even in Cinebench M1's single core score was competitive with desktop Zen 3 at the time. And at a point where Intel was stuck on 14nm I don't think that iPhone chip claim would've been immediately falsifiable. Even if the A-series wasn't more powerful, one of Apple silicon's strongest sides is the memory bandwidth available to the CPU, and in some cases even if there's more raw CPU grunt in one chip the M1 will still be faster with fewer or weaker cores because it didn't get bottlenecked by mem. bandwidth.
@dat_21
Жыл бұрын
@@utubekullanicisi Cinebench is a joke too. Almost nobody renders on a cpu these days and somehow it is accepted as a universal benchmark these days? It's not even open source. So in addition to testing the processor, it also tests the quality of their code. Could be a lackluster port, or a very thoughtful rewrite that is better that the original code. And nobody knows because source is not open.
@kleanthisgroutides7100
Жыл бұрын
Also power draw is irrelevant... once you normalise across process nodes its more or less a moot point. High clocks, more cores, more transistors means more power again that's a physics limitation.
@SunsetNova
Жыл бұрын
I think it's only a matter of time before Apple turns their attention to gaming on Apple silicon
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Maybe, but it won't be through porting PC games. Only when they can have complete control.
@jakejoyride
Жыл бұрын
And game studios will spend millions of $$$ porting thier titles for 0.5% of computer market... Wake up
@jakejoyride
Жыл бұрын
Apple is just like medium performance PC 3060 performance in fact is performance of 8 year old 1080ti so I don't understand pricing of Apple
@Erik.Lundberg
Жыл бұрын
When unplugged on battery the Apple Silicon will maintain its performance. This is not the situation with mobile Nvidia GPU:s.
@digitalmarketinghumans
Жыл бұрын
Great video I'm a Mac! Glad you included visual graphics and examples. Yep, the target audience for these high end macs are essentially businesses, but not all of course since some are hobbyists who have the money for it. This sums it up at 8:23 There are definitely PC counter parts to this.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@RunForPeace-hk1cu
Жыл бұрын
"Mac Studio" .... it's not for gaming. It's designed for professionals to do content creation for a living and those people can make the money back in a matter of weeks or a few months.
@MrEiniweini
Жыл бұрын
There is a bit more in it than the base GPU comparison, the inbuilt graphic encoders for graphics design for instance. However, for gaming , even I had to buy a PC after 14 years because Mac never encouraged developers to write to the OS. For laptops with general purpose usage, which is pretty much the future, the X86 is dead in the water right now. You can't get the performance without the cooling while the M series chip can. The sad fact is that the X86 technology is 50 years old now, the same as the T72 tank. You can upgrade the platform and call it a T95 but the deficiencies in the design for modern usage are still at the core of the structure. The M series chip is getting more efficient while the X86 architecture is requiring massive 3rd party power and cooling developments to advance.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Yea, it's no contest for performance per watt in laptops. Love my M1 MBA. However the M2 is actually less efficient than the M1. They bumped the clock speeds higher but the performance gain was not enough to offset the increase in power consumption. Next year, M3 will take the performance per watt crown.
@fidelisitor8953
Жыл бұрын
"There is a bit more in it than the base GPU comparison, the inbuilt graphic encoders for graphics design for instance." - You must be mistaking media engine performance for GPU performance. The built-in media engines in the Apple silicon are mostly what handle photo/video editing workflows not the GPU so it doesn't count. Also, ARM is almost as old as x86 - it's only 4 years younger. The problem with x86 lies in the ISA itself (the CISC ISA) and is the very reason the RISC ISA (which ARM, powerPC, RISC-V uses) was created in the first place.
@jakejoyride
Жыл бұрын
x86 is about backwards compatibility - something apple user just don't have
@sinlokemp
Жыл бұрын
Power efficiency per performance. Apple wins hands down.
@FBL9982
Жыл бұрын
the performance of their tablet chips are nowhere near intel amd and envy your talk and useless
@TheStopwatchGod
Жыл бұрын
Considering M2 Ultra is an entire computer packed onto one die, it's performance is actually quite good
@brianroberts6554
Жыл бұрын
Except that making their Game Porting Toolkit available for free to developers to see how easy it would be to make DirectX 12 games run on the Mac isn’t nothing. Why does Apple have to buy a studio to prove they’re serious about gaming?
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
Time and money taken away from porting the game over to Mac. There is are Zenamax came out and said they won't support Apple SoC when it comes to Elder Scrolls Online. There is also the fact more people use PC, Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo. So yeah Apple have to prove it's worth the time and cost.
@macgamer1973
Жыл бұрын
This how allow Microsoft buy up bungie. Steve job was piss off. An brought logic and beats , why not game studio
@RedLeo-pf9yo
Жыл бұрын
This video described it perfectly, I use my Apple electronics for studio work, and I buy Alienware products for gaming.
@MattHalpain
Жыл бұрын
Considering the size factor and only sipping power of the Mac Studio Ultra as compared to a PC is amazing. I like PC and Mac.
@brentsmithline3423
Жыл бұрын
Yes a Mac is not for gaming until games are designed to run on a Mac.
@KevPez-IS
Жыл бұрын
I’m looking for a machine to edit video in DaVinci, DaVinci Fusion, maybe Adobe, and audio production. Mac is an audio powerhouse, these are excellent for video editing. Looks good enough for DaVinci Fusion. And it’s quiet/efficient while doing it? Sign me up! If you want a gaming machine, you can buy a PC or a console and get an infinitely better experience. Hell, get a PS5/XSX and a Steam Deck/Ally for less then a mac.
@headbreakable
2 ай бұрын
but you have 192g universal ram, is how much vram increases? it's crazy amount vram.
@Pillokun
Жыл бұрын
Apple products are good and dandy for video and photo editing, but that can be done on x86 machines as well. the big money making is in engineering work ie cad, good luck with running an arm apple machine dassault or siemens cad software, ie the big boys in the industry. I had a refresh class in cad not so long ago, a young women asked if here apple could run the software, everybody started to laugh and said, yeah if you want to play with tablets then the autdo cad fusion is a nice toy, but if you wanna work in this industry then you should throw your apple toy in the trash ;P
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
That's funny! You're right about the photo and video editing and seems to be the focus for Apple going forward.
@MrMrvotie
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC Is it possible for you to incorporate an Apple M Chip CPU/GPU Hierarchy Chart into future videos that pairs each Apple M Chip to their CPU/GPU Desktop Equivalent to make it easier for mac owners to understand what type of relative performance they'd be getting or have? Also would an M2 Max Mac Studio Base Model be decent enough for 3D rendering/modeling/animation for game development and CGI work for the mac platform? Thank You!
@dsblue1977
Жыл бұрын
It has nothing to do with Apple hardware. There are good CAD and BIM programs for the Mac. It is just that AutoDesk targets primarily Windows and their code base is heavily interwind with Windows. If the software does not exist for a hardware platform, it does not matter how good that platform is.
@Pillokun
Жыл бұрын
@@dsblue1977 Autodesk is for Mac as well. The heavy weight of engineering software don't though, and it does not matter if it has to do with the apple hw or not. If it dont work it don't work regardless of reason, that is how companies are reasoning.
@zbigniewwodecki2628
Жыл бұрын
No, it's not. People in comments talk a lot about "power efficiency" instead of speed. Buy i9 and 4090 if you need raw power or you into gaming.
@k.vn.k
Жыл бұрын
Which one saves more electricity bill? That will be my first choice in today’s recession.
@kevbo2981
Жыл бұрын
The Macs
@JoATTech
Жыл бұрын
I got RTX4080 based PC and MBA M1 :D. Really happy about this combo :D.
@DenOfTimbsllc
Жыл бұрын
Someone forgot about the game design WebKit.
@bfish9700
Жыл бұрын
Double what the level of performance justifies, it tracks.
@alexsmedile
Жыл бұрын
Maybe casual gaming, or "old gen" games
@douglepong
Жыл бұрын
What good is a fast Apple Gpu if you can’t run anything on it?
@djkeithjust
Жыл бұрын
The sad reality is game developers are like old web developers, they have clue or refuse to do anything efficiently. And why is everything based on gaming with building a pc.
@ryananderson8576
Жыл бұрын
i buy mac products for the look and design of the case but yea no apple silicon sucks
@qedqubit
Жыл бұрын
Uhm... i 'Liked' because you finished making a conclusion to your argument -which i liked ; NOT because you told me to 'like& subscribe' the moment i clicked it 🤬
@DmitriyChaikovskiy
Жыл бұрын
Apple has never been a financially sound tech company
@peter_da_crypto7887
Жыл бұрын
What about 1000 hours in terms of power consumption and the price of that ?
@fraenkli
Жыл бұрын
Performace per Watt would be interesting
@tobyglyn
Жыл бұрын
Latest Mac Pro is still using PCIe Gen 4 :)
@Jasontvnd9
Жыл бұрын
Youve done something wrong here. A 7900XTX is not 42% faster than a 7900XT. Not even close. Edit : The average FPS in wild life extreme for a 7900XT is 281Fps....so why did you get 240fps which actually puts it in the bottom 5% of all 7900XT results.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand your claims. I never showed 42% faster. I also never showed the XT at 240fps. How did you come to your conclusions? Please clarify.
@JJ-fq3dh
Жыл бұрын
You are making a sophomoric comparison. Ive built PC game machines for years, last one was a threadripper 5975wx 24 core, 64g ram, nvidia 4080, ssds total cost about 4k . Big case, lots of fan noise . Much rather have the M2 Ultra, tiny case that fits under a monitor,, no fan noise when maxed out, runs cool, better option, and i dont game anyway , so thats irrelevent. More to a choice than just specs, which are not that much different anyway, most would not even notice differences.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
If not gaming, then the Mac Mini is an even smaller and more efficient option for the desktop.
@JJ-fq3dh
Жыл бұрын
@ImaMac-PC not really, i have a mac mini M2 pro 12 core, 32g, 1tb, it gets hot, sits around 80c to 100c when im using it for my work flow, its still quiet with the fan at 5k rpm, but it has a lot of jank for my simulations, the studio max would at least run cool for almost the same price as the mini pro, and the 30 core gpu vs 19 in the mini pro would help the jank. the base mini for me would not work well at all.
@chenalice-co3mh
Жыл бұрын
how can we contact you for cooperation?
@harrisonnjenga777
Жыл бұрын
Comparisons I was looking for
@billknight7342
Жыл бұрын
The average person who buys a Mac is just sick of being screwed by substandard PC builds I think. My one PC is near unusable because every time windows rolls out another update I can't use streaming services like KZitem smoothly any more. That's on an HP desktop.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
For an average computer user, I have converted many a PC user to entry level Macs (that were on sale) for that very reason...and it has greatly helped me as I no longer get calls for Tech Support!
@JasonSturges
Жыл бұрын
Extremely confusing and non-linear comparison. M2 direct comparisons of Pro / Max / Ultra versus the highest-end Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA would be more relevant than meandering stock footage. Even price comparisons are convoluted, factoring a strange mix of legacy systems with and without GPUs. Pick a strategy - affordable mid-tier and/or top-tier system compute, graphics, encoding, neural, usage, and competency per price point.
@05DonnieB
Жыл бұрын
Is there a reason you used Wild Life as gpu bench? Maybe getting Timespy or Firestrike Ultra running on a mac is impossible. I ask this because at these gpu levels such a weak benchmark will quickly become cpu bound. Hopefully you ran them at the 8k custom setting.
@JohnWilliams-gy5yc
Жыл бұрын
Buy binned Ultra Mac Pro and stuff it with 4090Ti. With that, you can live stream with your free 60 GPU while do real exporting.
@utubekullanicisi
Жыл бұрын
It should be noted that in video editing I've seen the M2 Ultra perform as well as if not faster than a 13900K + 4090 combo, and the $1000 less 60-core version doesn't have a slower media engine which means the export times will be very similar if not exactly the same as the 76-core M2 Ultra, which I don't think can be said for an RTX 4080 vs. 4090. And in GFXBench 4K Aztec Ruins High offscreen the M2 Ultra has the same fps as a 4080 on DX12.
@lhl
Жыл бұрын
Obviously people should use whatever works best for their workflow (I think video editing is squarely in the target for the Mac Pro), but if a 13900K/4090 combo performs comparably, it's also worth noting that it will probably run you 1/2-1/4 the cost (depending on memory and storage options). Looking on the GFXBench site, it lists 298fps offscreen for the M2 Ultra and 425fps for the 4090, but I don't think that matters much either way (no one's buying a Mac Pro for gaming). For Geekbench 6's GPU Compute, the highest M2 Ultra Metal numbers score around 200K, while it looks like the avg 4090 scores around 330K w/ OpenCL. Of course if you're using anything CUDA-based, non-Nvidia isn't an option anyway. It's also worth noting that 4090 is far from the top-end option. An A6000 Ada has another +10% TFLOPS and for ML, PCIe H100s will double both the memory bandwidth and FP16 again (and another 8X w/ sparsity, or 16X for FP8!). Also, most workstations will support 4X cards, but based on the state of their PyTorch Metal port, I doubt even Apple is using Apple Silicon internally for ML training...
@utubekullanicisi
Жыл бұрын
@@lhl A 13900K + 64GB DDR5-6400 + RTX 4090 + high end motherboard + 2TB Samsung SSD without a case costs $3400, while the Mac Studio with 64GB RAM and 2TB SSD costs $4400-$5400. Hardly a steal, but not 4x the cost. GFXBench does list the M2 Ultra with 330.9fps, and I didn't compare that with the 4090, I compared it with the 4080, as the video itself also did. I didn't mention the GFXBench score for gaming performance, I mentioned it for rasterization performance, which has more uses than just in gaming. And yeah if your application only supports CUDA and nothing else you're not considering anything other than Nvidia, and in Blender Nvidia absolutely demolishes Apple thanks to using 3-4x the power and having strong hardware ray tracing. Apple has done a good job improving the performance in Blender on the M2 series, anywhere from 75% to 2x faster or more, despite staying on 5nm, but Nvidia didn't stand still with the 4090 over the 3090. But if on 3nm Apple adopts some form of hardware ray tracing acceleration within their GPU cores, which they're speculated to do, and gives a nice boost to the GPU core count, I think they can double their performance in Blender again easily, close 50 to maybe even 70% of the gap, and be only be 40% behind a 400W card. And I'm still talking about the 2-die Ultra variant, there's also a rumored 4-die variant that consists of 4 Max dies will probably come sooner or later. I think Apple will be squeezing a lot more peroformance out of their architectures and this is only the beginning.
@lhl
Жыл бұрын
@@utubekullanicisi The Mac Pro starts at $7K, so that's the 2X baseline. Clicking through, it looks like +$1.6K 192GB RAM and +$2.2K 8TB storage, you get up to $10.8K. On the PC side, 192GB DDR5 RAM kit will be +$400, and an 8TB SSD will be +$800, although on the PC side you have the option of saving some money w/ 2 x 4TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSDs for +$500). I suppose that ends up being only a 2.5X or so, the upgrade pricing is more reasonable than previous Mac Pros (since there's not much scaling on the memory side w/ the new models). The 4X Max "Extreme" was rumored for the M1 but never released, and rumored now for M2, but I'm also doubtful that it'll be released. The market for that is just too small. TSMC N3 is fully booked for A17, and from what I've heard, the yield remains quite bad. That will likely move to N3E, but we're probably going to have to wait for N3P and N3X for higher perf parts. Apple has a strong team and I don't doubt they can execute well on whatever management wants, but that's mainly power/perf, and I just don't see the company focused on the high-end like Nvidia, AMD, or even Intel are. Apple is moving their mobile chips (where they make their money) up, the others are basically moving their server/enterprise products (where they make *their* money) down.
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
It should be noted that video editing is a small market compared to what the major of people use computers for.
@jessecumberledge4530
Жыл бұрын
I went with the intel/4090, and for the video editing I do its much better than the mac ultra a friend has. I use Davinci. Once you start adding effects that are GPU powered, like Noise Reduction, magic mask, depth mapping, various blur, etc, etc, the encoders can't save the macs weaker GPU from being crushed by the 4090. If you just doing simple simple editing you won't notice any difference what so ever and both the mac and pc will export at like 300fps. Also the 4080 and 4090 both have the same exact dual video encoders. 4070 and down only get one
@kieronseth
Жыл бұрын
'Stay safe' from what?
@antongrekov7710
Жыл бұрын
from apple
@TheSebitt
Жыл бұрын
My laptop i9 11 gen and 3080 (overclock 120mhz) 4k 160 fps :)
@parkofile1173
Жыл бұрын
Global Gaming Content revenue by company 2021 : Tencent 32.5 Billion Apple 14.8 Billion Alphabet 12.4 Billion Sony 10.2 Billion NetEase 9.7 Billion Activision Blizzard 8.8 Billion Nintendo 8.1 Billion Electronic Arts 6.5 Billion Sea ltd 4.3 Billion I am confused about your comments about Apples commitments to gaming. They have just chose a sector that works for them to the tune of about 14.8 Billion and it has grown significantly since 2021. I just looked this up …. If you look at the makers of PC Video Card Makers, their focus, where there investment is, does not look like gaming is their business either[Machine Learning and A.I.] And then there are all the online gaming resources, like STEAM .... Gaming is clearly not in the GPU/PC thing one could be lead to believe or is it?
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the data sharing. Yes, Apple does make money from Gaming as you show. However, that is overwhelmingly from iOS devices. I was focused on AAA gaming for a desktop computer. Titles like Death Stranding and Resident Evil Village. Apple will show off an example or two every event. But they are not making any commitment to bring AAA gaming to the Mac. I would love to play my STEAM library on a Mac. To play Resident Evil Village, I can't use my STEAM version. I have to purchase it again through the Apple App store. I'm not buying the game separately for each platform. Also, NVIDIA and AMD are chasing A.I. as they see a larger revenue source from businesses and it is potentially more lucrative than gaming.
@HablaKK
Жыл бұрын
Imagine a starship that goes to another planet. Which ships will be used for this, Apple M ships or Intel? The starship will need to save tons of energy but some tasks will demand lots of computation power and control heat so there is no accidents. Which one will you pick? Apple M ships or intel ?
@zeldar5120
9 ай бұрын
nice job for perf per watt. not nice job for every thing else
@krishnayalla676
Жыл бұрын
I think this comparison is not taking into account of actual performance numbers in actual applications that Mac users would be using these machines for. If you consider software optimization, accelerator hardware for media such as prores, and efficiency, you aren't getting close to the actual performance with the mac. Windows hardware should be praised for the massive increase in value but they are throwing wattage to bridge the gap.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
They are living with the burden of being backward compatible too. I can take a new NVIDIA GPU and new CPU and run a game from 15yrs ago. Macs can't do that. Apple broke free from that legacy compatibility.
@stephanemignot100
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC Playing my GOG catalog is really easy using Wineskin
@fidelisitor8953
Жыл бұрын
And what about for PC? NVIDIA CUDA accelerated workflows like 3D modelling with blender optix and hardware accelerated raytracing or autodesk maya with arnold or vray, or even AI workflows (like tensorflow) powered by NVIDIA tensor cores. You guys just keep praising Apple and lowballing PC when the macs are only good at a few select workflows and perform horrible with others. Those doing any 3d CAD/CAM work won't even look twice at a mac.
@krishnayalla676
Жыл бұрын
I will say you are completely right in those areas, however I do think Apple is going to have some major agency now to start addressing the needs of the people in those demographics. I think PC hardware has always been good, but Windows/Software has always been the limiting factor. However, I don't think anyone can really deny the sheer practicality that Apple has introduced with having hardware that is power efficient and powerful at the same time. I think their route is going to prove very useful for closing the performance gap.
@user-ms8qg2rz5s
Жыл бұрын
Quite disappointed with the SoC call Mac Pro!
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
It really doesn't make sense given the design philosophy is a 180 deg u-turn from the last one.
@iancurrie8844
Жыл бұрын
Hello. I recently commented on another of your videos concerning how various GPUs perform with AI noise reduction (adobe). The M2max gets less than half - close to 1/3 the performance of an RTX4080 and even less than that as compared to an RX7900XT. I don't know about gaming but for compute, they're really not performant chips at all. Actually we have an RX6700XT in the lab which gets slightly better AI noise reduction performance than the M2 Max. They're really nothing special for our purposes.
@FantabMedia
11 ай бұрын
A bit of an unfair comparison Ian. As it stands (although I'm not sure about the latest version of Adobe), the Adobe apps don't use the neural engine but rather the CPU for AI noise reduction (as does DXO) due to a bug in the later versions of OsX. What I can tell you is that the AI NR in DXO when it worked with the neural engine (pre-ventura) was MUCH faster on Apple Silicon. Apple are terrible at fixing bugs though, they've known about this one for months.
@iancurrie8844
11 ай бұрын
@@FantabMedia Cool. Let's talk when it's working. If it is.
@JuarezRichard
Жыл бұрын
I recently bought mi first Mac ever; a M2 Pro Mini with 16gb ram 512ssd. I only bought it for editing RAW photos using Adobe Lightroom. The cost was around $1,200. I am thinking that with that amount I can get a faster PC? Lightroom uses mostly CPU performance rather than GPU. What would be an Intel or AMD equivalent of the M2 PRO?. I am willing to return the mac if I cant same performance with a PC for less. THANKS 🙏🏻
@jettysplash
8 ай бұрын
Wondering if Apple still has all its I/O ports on the back of their workstations so you have to spin it around like its on a turntable every instance of pushing and pulling plugs and cards in and out of I/O ports for video editing. Very annoying! Even more annoying is Apple making their customers pay for expensive dongles that bring access of the I/O ports to the front of the machine like its an afterthought. Even more and unbelievably annoying is every other workstation of any purpose I've ever seen in my life (I've been working with computers since 1978) strategically has its controls and I/O ports designed up front in the workstation directly in front of the user who is working. I totally need to check myself on this and perhaps make a visit to the Apple store and promise myself to be polite. I can't tell by their website what's going on. Last time I looked online it seemed Apple was hiding where on the machines they have I/O ports.
@tc102167
Жыл бұрын
macOS works! It’s that simple. I went from pc to Mac and back to pc. I had to go back to Mac. U never wonder if ur machine will work or if the performance will be consistently great! Sorry but apple products r worth the premium.. what the point of performance without reliability.
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
True iSHEEP
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Stability of macOS is far superior to Windows. I have learned to reboot my Windows machine every week to avoid stability issues and crashes. I haven't rebooted my Mac in months.
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC It's just ridiculous what you write, you have a hardware problem on your computer or something else screwed up, there's no way you need to do a reset every so often, my computer works 24/7 stable as a rock I only do a reset when updating the system and that's it. In addition to that, I've been working on a Mac for years and not only are there stability problems, the programs there suddenly close without an error or report and I didn't take into account the spinning wheels of death.
@grabedigger
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had the same overpriced opinion about Apple, untill I tried to open a HEVC 4K 10bit video on Windows and found out I can't. On a PC, on paper 2x more powerful than the MacBook Pro standing next to it. The Windows PC can play Red Dead Redemption 2 at some 70+fps 1440p, but can't decode a simple video, because Microsoft felt like it. The thing with Macs, for creatives, is that almost all the stuff will work out the box, and that is why I am ditching my Windows machines for Mac Mini M2 Pro.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. So many people I know have bought a Mac just because doing simple video tasks on the Mac just works. And people want to create something with video they record and not have to become technically educated on things like video codecs.
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
Have you even heard of Intel QuickSync, because you're just writing nonsense. By the way, on PC there is support for AV1 encoders, while on Mac nothing.
@grabedigger
Жыл бұрын
@@uribak9144 I have a Ryzen CPU paired with a Nvidia GPU. So yeah.
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
@@grabedigger For video editing on a PC only Intel with QuickSync support. All the encoders there are better supported there and by the way the whole industry is moving to the AV1 format which is not supported at all on the Mac.
@grabedigger
Жыл бұрын
@@uribak9144 sure, I made a big mistake when I bought an AMD cpu. The thing is, AV1 is great for streaming, not for cinema projects. Indeed it will help with the needed bandwith to play a 4K video, but in my case, the camera itself does not record in AV1 but H.265 HEVC 4:2:2 and others record RAW video or ProRes, is Intel any good with these? If so then I might swap the CPU and call it a day.
@atgred
Жыл бұрын
And don’t forget that the SOC also has cores dedicated for video encoding, neural engine, etc. So when editing video it is not just the gpu and cpu working, it has dedicated DSP for this kind of jobs and makes them very fast. How fast? Well, never “instantaneous”, but fast enough you will not have time to make yourself an “instant” coffee.
@jessecumberledge4530
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Nvidia graphics cards also have dedicated video encoders/decoder and many many more neural engine cores than the Mac, and also dedicated ray tracing cores that can be used as well. Also Davinci and Premier will also use, in conjunction with the NVidia GPU, the Intel integrated GPU for more built in video encoder/decoders if needed. THEY BOTH have dedicated encoder/decoder. That is just a Mac sales pitch to confuse you.
@omarseneriz5577
Жыл бұрын
I was ready to buy one. I have been a Mac user for over 20 years and currently focusing on 3d work. I would love to go into the pc world but have no idea what to get that would be faster. Please advise I would be happy to pay you for your time. Looking for something faster than that 24 core / 76- core. Thank You
@oscarswazi6412
Жыл бұрын
Or just wait for intel 4 process node!
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Depends on your type of 3D work. For example, in Cinema 4D, you have the Cinebench R23 benchmark. The Intel i9-13900K and Ryzen 9 7950x both score 37k-38k while the M2 Ultra is only at 28k. You can get even much higher performance in that App if you step up to Threadripper PRO or Intel's new Xeon W-2400/3400 CPUs with much higher core counts. But now you are clearly into workstation territory and workstation money. To get an idea of performance and cost, I would recommend checking out Puget Systems (www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/3d-design-workstations/).
@omarseneriz5577
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC Thank you for the information and link. I am looking to get away from apple art this point and I am sure the workstation on your link will be a lot faster and better solution. Thank You
@omarseneriz5577
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Again for the Link. I have some one currently helping me build a system. Truly appreciated
@KevinMillard68
Жыл бұрын
speed does not matter quaility how ever does and the mac will always be better even if it not always faster it is better and that even you should know
@jimmyjiang3413
Жыл бұрын
If esports titles can get same performance on M2 ultra or even upcoming M3 ultra with hardware ray tracing cores on par or surpassing 4090/5090 😂 while maintaining the same power consumption as M2 ultra (SoC, SiP) then it combined with a LOT MORE AAA titles like CP77, Gotham Knights, Hogwarts, RE4 remake, SF6, BF2042, DQ11S, FF16, FN UE5.2+, Apex, RL, R6 Siege, etc, would help save esports teams tons of electricity bill 🤠🫰🏻
@elivegba8186
Жыл бұрын
So much excitement in your comment but you know it's a joke.😂
@elivegba8186
Жыл бұрын
So much excitement in your comment but you know it's a joke.😂
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
No one is esports titles is using ray tracing nor do they care.
@jimmyjiang3413
Жыл бұрын
@@evacody1249 but high refresh rate on high end GPU like 360+ FPS is consuming tons of power, even more than a 4K HDR TV. This is why Apple made its own chip: save power, save energy. Don’t underestimate its performance per watt, each tiny bit improvements, and each Apple silicon Mac sold by game developer, if hundreds of thousands are sold, running 247, it would save a lot of electricity bill
@dirtbagmoto
Жыл бұрын
I’m part of a minority but I use macs for the quality, ecosystem and most importantly MacOS instead of windows, so I don’t mind it’s higher price over pc alternatives.
@DummyFace123
Жыл бұрын
Its actually better to NOT use tests like 3D mark to compare macs vs PCs because you always get better performance on mac games than these comparisons would imply. PC has graphics cards designed for directx features which simply wont be implemented on a game made for mac. When you look at some of the PC vs mac comparisons, they sometimes imply that a studio ultra will run a game at 1/4th the speed of a PC, but that never happens. What happens is every game made for mac doesn't have directx features and so they run blazingly fast
@nyambe
Жыл бұрын
You are comparing an integrated solution to a dedicated device at what the dedicated GPU does best. 🎉that is great news for Apple silicon. It’s a paradox. People compared early cars to horses, and came to similar conclusions. Horses were faster, until they invented highways
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Going integrated like a gaming console is an interesting approach however, the challenge comes when scaling up. Since the die has both GPU and CPU cores, the die size is limited, along with the thermal challenge. That means they may never get to the high end to compete with the PC. But then again, for their target market, maybe they don't have to.
@nyambe
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC Sure, and if you look at it in a linear way that is true. Technology, however, always changes. Something like Gpt enabled NPCs will shift the industry into creating more open procedure worlds with complex logic. For that, lower wattage multiple GPU model is more suited. I think current Game tech focus is on ray tracing and graphic enhancement, but I am not sure the gaming logic has changed all that much in the passed decade.
@uribak9144
Жыл бұрын
Pathetic Apple is still using a technique from the 90s, sticking 2 processors together to close gaps against the competition and still not succeeding.
@mileswurster2035
Жыл бұрын
How about we keep this in perspective? The GPU in the M2 series is their second generation desktop GPU. It’s competitive with the best offerings from Nvidia and AMD while consuming a fraction of the power. The state of gaming on a Mac has more to do with game developers than the capability of the hardware.
@elivegba8186
Жыл бұрын
On which node is the M2 on?
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
The hardware is capable, but also expensive for what you get.
@STeroidsnicca
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC But it’s a small system on a chip that is power efficient.
@LuisDiaz-qg3eg
Жыл бұрын
Apple is holding back. They can increase the power envelope and create dedicated GPUs at the same 350W of nvidia and AMD. And they don't need incredible power scalling to put themselves above the other desktop GPU offerings
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Do you think Apple will ever stop holding back?
@LuisDiaz-qg3eg
Жыл бұрын
@@ImaMac-PC If they plan to, they probably have already started developing a dedicated card some time ago, scaling in power needs a different design that clocks higher which is a product cycle normal of 2-4 years. If they haven't, then 3 years from now they may drop it by starting today.
@kalvinarts
Жыл бұрын
Maybe for gaming its not the way to go, but if you want to run big LLMs the amount of unified memory macs have puts them on another league … look at the prces for an A100 …
@evacody1249
11 ай бұрын
😂🤣
@akin242002
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video. The best of Macbook GPUs can't the best of Nvidia or AMD GPUs. No matter how much sales person hype they place on it. This doesn't mean MacBook GPUs are bad. Just not 1st nor 2nd place. With that said, MacBooks are still the best for video editing for non-GPU reasons.
@msg360
Жыл бұрын
amazing video keep it up
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@RisDeep
Жыл бұрын
чел зачем попугаи сравнивать, сравни на играх
@melaniodanilosindayen9011
Жыл бұрын
I believe you shoukd take a look at the present Apple gaming toolkit. For costing, I believe it is all relative.
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Did you know that Apple's game porting toolkit is really just CrossOvers source code wrapped into their own proprietary package? It's an emulation layer.
@crestofhonor2349
Жыл бұрын
Not quite worth it as it's not perfect. It's intended for developers so much of the code isn't optimized. Different games perform very differently and you can't use multiplayer games with anti cheat. Rosetta causes you to lose quite a bit thanks to translation
@jakejoyride
Жыл бұрын
Apple means inferior gaming experience
@sabhyasoni4485
Жыл бұрын
@@jakejoyride yes, and far superior working experience..
@BeaglefreilaufKalkar
Жыл бұрын
CPU and GPU benchmarks say very, very little about real world performance.
@AnastasTarpanov
Жыл бұрын
When you make a performance comparison you need to count also for power usage and compare the productivity per watt otherwise is entirely useless.
@crestofhonor2349
Жыл бұрын
That would require him to purchase all the GPUs as well as comparing it with how long it takes. Wattage in benchmarks isn't the same as real world applicaitons. Real world stuff often doesn't push these GPUs as hard as benchmarks do so they're not always relavent. They're more of a worst case senario. NotebookCheck has a comparison chart on that to show it.
@AnastasTarpanov
Жыл бұрын
@@crestofhonor2349 it's important because otherwise is not a real comparison. He also compares the prices but compares the components, this is not a true machine, it's just parts it's not been tested on how it works together and you don't have a warranty on the whole system. He needs to compare it with Razor system or some other I don't know why is making such tower gaming machines. Also in the case of the Mac Studio, you have a small and quiet machine sitting on your desk, not a shiny jet reactor blowing hot air under your desk. And at the end, the wattage usage and performance per watt is the most important thing, because if your computer is working 24/7 the price difference will not exist after a couple of years of usage because of the more power needed for the Windows machine.
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
That does not matter with gaming. It also does not matter with app only programmed to work on Windows.
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
@@AnastasTarpanovit is a real comparison these are desktops that are plugged in.
@sadiqp457
Жыл бұрын
Apple is giving competition to dedicated GPU ‘s with their integrated GPU’s. What if Apple brings a dedicated GPU?😅. Apple’s whole system is only the size of one of the dedicated GPU, literally need a ton of power to run those PC’s with hell lot of noise…..😃
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
AMD does make a custom integrated GPU SoC for the PS5 and Xbox Series X. However, at the low wattage, Apple's solution is still more powerful.
@surfntrucks
Жыл бұрын
Double all the things Apple. If the Pro and Max came with 2 M2 chips and the Ultra came with 4 M2 chips then it would be a different story. Same price but double the performance. A man can dream. I wish Apple Silicon was more powerful but that's not in the cards in my lifetime. Maybe Tesla will enter this market.
@itsBoris_
Жыл бұрын
really good video:) helpful
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@eduardorodriguez5945
Жыл бұрын
Grateful video
@ImaMac-PC
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it
@VJROMULUS
Жыл бұрын
You're still thinking like a PC Head this is a powerful stopgap till the M3 Extreme comes out this year. Also PCs are still taskers where the Mac is a true Multimedia machine. Not to mention efficiency as the Dollar signs going out the door in power consumption and cooling is insane on the PC. You guys never factor that in. On top of that the build quality and IT costs... Just something to think about.
@evacody1249
Жыл бұрын
😂😂 Apple fanboys have to fanboy.
@VJROMULUS
Жыл бұрын
@@evacody1249 Not a fanboy just a realist I see dollar signs going out the door with all the extra costs of a PC system. You PC guys never calculate that and it's hard to beat the Apple ecosystem. Oh and did I say I hate Windows... It's a lousy platform.
@kyounokuma
Жыл бұрын
Man, this video aged terribly.
@nhanNguyen-wo8fy
Жыл бұрын
Window is a bad product but it support everything. As a Linux user I think Microsoft facing a much bigger problem of moving enormous eco system to Arm64. I think right now they're having Risc-V in their mind.
@stephanemignot100
Жыл бұрын
What about efficiency? I'm not into labtops but I would buy a Mac, Windows is an abomination anyway
@MichaelSidneyTimpson
Жыл бұрын
gaming is for losers, I prefer to use a computer to actually contribute to society.
@crestofhonor2349
Жыл бұрын
No it isn't. You're basically saying entertainment is useless. Gaming does contribute to society by providing a place for people to relax and take a break. Rememeber you can do a lot more with these benchmarks as they can also contribute to other benchmarks like 3D rendering or other useful things that the GPU is capable of doing that are useful to society
@MichaelSidneyTimpson
Жыл бұрын
@@crestofhonor2349 it was a joke.
@MichaelSidneyTimpson
Жыл бұрын
@@crestofhonor2349 The comment was made in good fun and jest.
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