I love augvoker and the idea of a support "class" in wow, but I understand how it can be difficult/complicated to introduce it so far into the game's life. I would hate for them to alter the spec to where it becomes a dps first with only a minor supporting role though. Fingers crossed.
@hanzomain8302
Жыл бұрын
I only returned for WoW because of the spec. If they remove Support I will quit and grind D4 instead 😂😂😂
@krucible9369
Жыл бұрын
They opened up Pandora’s box with this spec.
@danielwells1734
Жыл бұрын
As someone who is interested in Augvoker, I too hope the nerfs don't destroy it. I also hope that their desirability in raids and mythic dungeons doesn't diminish.
@odinugm4898
Жыл бұрын
Can tell you they did not ruin it at all. Fun as heck, Logs showing they add about 20k dps for a 5 man group to each dps class.
@alihorda
Жыл бұрын
People still need to learn how to handle it. I was kicked from raid because my dps was low.. (pug ofc). Absurd how some people can't think lol
@headlessz0mbie671
Жыл бұрын
since switching to it from Devastation I'm having a blast, I'm hoping these nerfs don't hurt to much but I can agree it needed to be reigned in a bit seeing someone under geared pulling almost 100k dos because of me is kinda crazy lol, but at the same time I'm concerned they will hurt a lot and cause me to get declined for groups which gets me out of practice situations because I also can't really tell if I'm playing it correctly or not, my log parses are only in the green and around 30% of all players so I feel like I'm mid tier lol
@andyjackson9614
Жыл бұрын
The problem with buff specs is they either become so good that you have to bring them or they become all but useless. Finding a middle ground is really tough for that type of play. We had a similar problem earlier in the game (different reason but similar problem) with hybrid classes. They were either so good you always had to have one or they were terrible. Blizzard tried to balance them, but eventually just went with the multiple specs (for specialization) we now have today.
@pr3287
Жыл бұрын
It is the same with every spec in the game. You gave spriests PI, mass dispel, vamb embrace and top tier damage? Bang S tier. You gave fire mage mass barrier and top dmg on top of int buff? Bang S tier. Give DKs some utility and they will be S tier as well. In this game there is only meta (1 tank spec 1 heal spec 3 dps specs) and rest is placed the same - not meta. There is no middle ground. If you want to do 20s, 25s you dont care about meta cuz those are baby keys pushed by 1 week old alts. If you push 30s you basically run the same comp (or very very similar) and it has been like that for a long time. Evoker didnt have any meta M+ dps spec moments at all so they deserve to have 1 great spec. Priest is meta for whole dragonflight and noone is complaining xd Demo lock is giga broken in raid and noone is complaining xd
@ch.kv.
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the rundown of the changes. I agree with most of what's said, except at the end where you mentioned converting under-played dps specs into support specs.. For this, they should add new specs to classes and not change existing ones - because if you polled the players of any given dps spec, most would not want it to be converted. I feel like the top candidate for next support spec has to be demon hunter - the only class missing a 3rd spec. I'm curious to see how this nerf plays out, as a shameless rider of the exodia wave on my shadow priest.. Didn't get to play much on the fort week, but this week I did and timed my first +24, +25, and +26 all in pugs.. Was a blast 😊😊
@ammertos1517
Жыл бұрын
Converting Survival hunter, Feral druid, Sin rogue, Frost DK, Aff lock, Arcane mage, and of course giving DH finally a 3rd spec as support would make sense.
@jaredwalton3135
Жыл бұрын
I lost like +100? On clutchmates. And typically about 20% on shifting sands. The eruption buff was nice. The Fates Mirror seems far more significant since that has 100% uptime on individual targets. I came back for a month specifically for this and it was great plugging to KSM with 100% less stress I usually get from healing. I love the support idea and personally hope they push Shamans and possibly Disc priest to this position or ar least as an option.
@infernomaster2702
Жыл бұрын
there is LITERALLY no reason to nerf it period. They are great, but not so overpowered needing the fucking nerfbat. Leave it to blizzard to ruin any fun and good thing. I main aug, but now what they are trying to do with this patch is buffing its own damage significantly and depowering its buffing of others.....completely OPPOSITE of what the damned spec is meant for. Not surprised by this shit to say the least
@ammertos1517
Жыл бұрын
The nerfs are an overall 4% DPS loss. This is basically nothing. Keep in mind that the Close as Clutchmates nerf is a 15% nerf to Ebon Might, from 14% to 12% effectiveness in M+. The Aspect's Favor nerf is worse but also still ok. Overall Augment will be fine and still be taken in high keys
@Ev0ktube
Жыл бұрын
Last week I got kicked from pug grps, this week everyone wants an augvoker. I like the changes, especially outside the buff window you’re feeling quite useless! If one or more dps is dead for example, there is just no contribution to damage whatsoever.
@onlywrongaexthetics6181
Жыл бұрын
spec is fine, people mindset of the mayan era that needs an "update"
@trevorwilliams2482
Жыл бұрын
I agree with your points and I think aug takes a hit just not a big hit they are Top S tier right now but post nerf I think they will be at bottom end of S tier to Top end of A tier . I also agree that they cannot nerf it much more cause if they do then it's just a poor damage DPS and average buffer and I think anymore nerfs will make it free fall drop from Top end to a B tier or worse spec to bring. I like Aug but I also like Dev Evoker and sometimes you just want to blow crap up ( LOL ) and with how powerful Aug is / was made it harder to play it as most will be like your not Aug then pound sand .
@thelastspectre8141
Жыл бұрын
The problem is unless they separate the damage on details everyone on youtube with run with an aug evoker just to inflate their dps and click bait people for other classes making them seem stronger then they are, for example someone will post a video with a thumbail saying 500k! Overall on a D teir class making people think man this guys good taking a D class and making it seem like a A class only to realize there was a aug evoker making him better with a priest pi....
@liorlol3272
Жыл бұрын
They need to change it to tank spec will solve thr problem
@morrowoblivion13
Жыл бұрын
Lotro captain (support) main here. From what I researched. It seems that wow is new to support ATM. Is the augmentation evoker too good of a role or is it a balancing issue between classes.
@Nate-.-
Жыл бұрын
Too good in their mind.... just read the blue note in this video dude.... also the first week of augmentation someone made a raid of 26 augs and 2 unholy DKs, and exposed the exponentially increasing DPS if many breath of eons and fate mirrors going off at the same time. They were killing bosses in 20 sec and hold all the top parses. Blizzard nerfed breath if eons and fate mirror to limit 1 person to receieve those buffs from only up to 4 augs.... they did that the next day
@morrowoblivion13
Жыл бұрын
@@Nate-.-geez that does sound op. yeah I read the Blue notes. I guess I need to do some more research to fully understand what those abilities from the Blue notes do. Even in Lotro the dps buffs of red line captains cannot stack. If there has to be more than 1 captain per group it would be. 1 red line, 1 blue line , 1 yellow line. So I can only assume it's similar to that but for augmentation evoker's.
@voodoo1069
Жыл бұрын
For me personally I don't mind them nerfing aug a bit because it is out standing but I really don't want to see them shift our damage profile. If I'm not in my buff up time window I don't want to feel punished if I decide to not focus on damage and go do utility work for my team without anyone even noticing a chance in my personal dps becuase it is so small any way.
@aar021
Жыл бұрын
Group of 6… a slot for support…. Would that work? Also, thank you for the content 🎉
@onlywrongaexthetics6181
Жыл бұрын
dont, the content will be pretty easy
@hanzomain8302
Жыл бұрын
1 Tank, 2 Dps, 1 Sup, 1 Heal
@Anivia92
Жыл бұрын
I feel like too much of their damage goes to the other players. I would prefer it be more like a 50/50 or 40/60 split tbh.(40 being the aug.) I do love the utility they bring though. the shields and heals with all the cc is pretty nuts.
@hanzomain8302
Жыл бұрын
30/70 is the sweet spot I think
@libertariansasquatch
Жыл бұрын
I got too 2k IO in 4 days on a totally fresh evoker was clearing 18s and 19s with 424 gear lol
@ammertos1517
Жыл бұрын
I started my Evoker last Monday. fresh 70 to 441 today, all 20s done and all pugged
@pr3287
Жыл бұрын
Whats surprising with clearing 18s with 424? Most people were clearing 20s first week of the season with 420-424 ilvl from previous patch. You can do it on every spec
@libertariansasquatch
Жыл бұрын
@@pr3287 ok dude
@governmentghost01
Жыл бұрын
Why in the world would blizz convert or change existing specs to support? Just add more specs. Everyone knows the meta shifts. Classes underperforming now could be op next patch, it happens all the time. Also I imagine waking up to find that your fav spec is suddenly a "support" spec would be such a huge F U. Would make zero sense.
@tolemi12
Жыл бұрын
They've done similar crazy things in the past. I used to be a survival hunter main back in day, loved it so much. Then they changed the spec from ranged to melee. Quit the game soon after.
@CREA30
Жыл бұрын
6 man dungeons inc XD
@alydc162
Жыл бұрын
Ive been playing aug with little to no hazzle from anyone in higher keys 18-22s now i joined couple 11s because i needed wyrm crest to upgrade some gear. I got called so many things from trash to that how do i even exist to i should kill myself ... that ive been buying io ... to even getting kicked out of 2 11s .. thats from people who mains arent even 1k.. my evoker being 2600 at the time and my main at 3.1k. How am i getting cheered on for my 40k dps on a 22 and im getting death threats in a 11 ?? .. in other news i knew nerfs had to happen this class is very powerfful ally to bring along buut i would love to see other support clases from blizzard maybe a 6th sloth in dungeon parties for the support spec?
@cr1spbeatzplz
Жыл бұрын
Same 😅
@Wachi2000
Жыл бұрын
the only thing I care about is that they give warriors bloodlust or their manditory aoe stun back and aug evoker is ruining the game for every dps that is not meta and that doesnt have the time or constant 5 man groups of friends to run their own keys up and down the ladder ...
@hanzomain8302
Жыл бұрын
Not our problem if people are try always to play meta even though they are not on the MDI level. Never played flavor if the months an pushed constant 25+ keys. Even with Demo lock and survival hunter. So it’s a player problem….
@Wachi2000
Жыл бұрын
@@hanzomain8302 cool story bro ... I find it hard to push anything with PUGS if you need half a day to get invited to 1 key you need ... but thanks for your jobless isekai manga perspective on things
@NotHerb
Жыл бұрын
delete it simple no place for it in 5 man content
@Duffman8585
Жыл бұрын
Nerf more
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely needs more nerfs.
@governmentghost01
Жыл бұрын
This
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
'Not feeling like I was getting carried at all' Bro the spec is literally designed to be carried. Anyone playing the spec is 200-300 M+ rating above where they should be.
@governmentghost01
Жыл бұрын
Which is so stupid for a mid-season change. Aug evoker shot the cutoff for title way higher and then blizz nerf them. Gg to anyone that didn't get rating while they were busted.
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
@@governmentghost01 yeah basically. Same deal with hpal.
@ThomasBachler01
Жыл бұрын
Ebon Might and Breath of Eons is not nerfed by 20% but by 14% in mythic+. Applied to the log you showed that is a 6.6% DPS nerf. I guess the Fate Mirror nerf is just 25% for the dmg, so ~1.4% nerf. Total 8% nerf. Eruption buff gives 2.7%. The Ebon Might dmg buff for the Aug itself should be roughly 1-2%. Total 4-5% buff. Overall ~3-4% nerf - isn't really that much of a nerf. What it does though is to put more importance into the general rotation of the evoker and brings Aspects Favor back to a reasonable level - that shit was op (they could have nerfed it by 50% and it would still be really good) I think this is a very reasonable nerf.
@adolfdassler7857
Жыл бұрын
an obvious clickbait bullshit
@Telarius
Жыл бұрын
I can tell you one thing, Blizzard wen't too ham PVP wise. Not only did they get nerfed in PVE Dungeons (Which effects 3s arena) But they also doubled down, and mega nerfed them in pvp, with alot of stacking nerf modifiers, example "Reduce healing of X ability by 30%" But also nerf them static overall by 10% healing. Blizzard deleted them from the game pvp wise.
@mythslayer1579
Жыл бұрын
That should give us more utility and less personal damage I like damage, but it’s a sports back, so make a clicking an interrupt, give us a mask, dispel or a shield that essentially does the same thing but ahead of time. Stuff like that
@kholio4377
Жыл бұрын
They only need to make it so theres about 3 other support classes. Then its the same theme as tank/healer. Leave it tagged as a dps spec though for flexibility. If a support class means you can push into 30 keys and makes a tough raid more manageable then the ‘support’ theme works. It works as a scrub/n00b assist perfectly too to help newer players or plain bad players survive better. Aug doesn’t need to be ‘perfectly’ balanced. It need to be rounded out a viable spec and then in 11.0 we get 3rd DH, 4th pally, 4th priest, 4th hunter. A bunch of other classes get Void specs like Shadowrogue or dark elemental etc. As long as the support classes all have a stam buff etc etc then it still allows for different comps. In DF it doesn’t have to be ‘fair’ it has to be WANTED.
@bastianrhone9390
Жыл бұрын
I think a personal buff for the damage you're buffed dps are doing 😅
@odinugm4898
Жыл бұрын
It will be fine, you are just going to need gear and rotation now. Before the nerf we were technically doing the most damage in the game by a pretty big margin
@Papi-qd4tc
Жыл бұрын
would love to see your logs where you are "doing the most damage in the game by a pretty big margin"
@odinugm4898
Жыл бұрын
@@Papi-qd4tc you forgot "technically" and it would be hard to see the totality even after the nerf because there is still damage missing from the Aug in logs (i've only dissected some +16's with my buddies after the patch)
@Dan-Scott
Жыл бұрын
Hard to balance, especially with the defensive buffs they bring. As a 3k I.O Aug, man i hope they don't break it
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
So in reality a 2700 player lmfao
@Dan-Scott
Жыл бұрын
@buttsmcgee50 no its 3k atm. Stormybreed on a52 .... still think 🤔 the class can change
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
@@Dan-Scott no, aug evokers rating is inflated. 3k aug evokers are about 2700 on any other class.
@Dan-Scott
Жыл бұрын
@@buttsmcgee50 no need to make things up, the rating might be easier to achieve, but its still the rating, after the nerf it'll still be 3k :)
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
@@Dan-Scott not really making things up. Been playing with 3.1-3.2k Augs that are so boosted they're doing shit sub 3k players do. Sure, after the nerfs you'll still have 3k but you won't be able to do the keys anymore. It's fine.
@cottoncandy3577
Жыл бұрын
The Problem with the Augmentation spec is not their ebon might damage. It's their Aspect's favor, way too strong for survivability. It's ease to play paired with what utility they bring makes them S-Tier. Not their damage. As someone else in the comments pointed out, you'll probably barely even feel a damage nerf. And since that's the case and they still provide that 10% more life on a minute cooldown they're going to remain firmly in the group composition of Spriest, Fmage and Avoker.
@pr3287
Жыл бұрын
„Ease to play” like any spec in wow is hard 😂😂 especially for people pushing 29/30 keys Aug is arguably harder to play well than most dps specs cuz you have to plan and think your offensive and defensive CDs. 99% of people dont use rally and zephyr in right moments. Then you have personal def cd. Not to mention that vast majority of players end up with 50-65% ebon might uptime when you need that 80% and as close to 100 on bosses as possible. Thats how I check if aug in my group is good - ebon might uptime and group defensive cds use. Most of them are bad and boosted
@bosspaw4028
Жыл бұрын
If you think Aug is easy you aren’t playing it right 😂 Also it’s not on a minute CD. It’s 1.5 min CD.
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