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@Rain-Dirt
6 ай бұрын
I'd truly would've loved to join Bart on his cruise event "seminars" going along NW-European countries (North Sea and so on) down to W-European waters, but *sigh* the coins are not there. :( (+ I don't have the time either lol) Bart is just such a treasure and he's not always going to be on European "soil" I'm afraid. At the same time, I'm thinking that much more knowledgeable people will be signing up for that, so I guess I might be out of place even.... In any case. Bart has helped changing my life significantly but also enhanced my comprehension towards the Bible from a scholarly point of view (and indirectly also anthorpological!). Ty for adding Bart to your channel once again, MythVision!
@AquarianAgeApostle
6 ай бұрын
plug plug
@bigdogalldayeveryday
6 ай бұрын
I'm curious, Derek, but what do you believe is the source of morality?
@Rain-Dirt
6 ай бұрын
@@bigdogalldayeveryday "I'm curious, Derek, but what do you believe is the source of morality?" I'm not Derek, but I would like to respond to what appears to me "a trickquestion", if I may. It seems to imply it has to have a certain "type" of source and that not all "types" are allowed. One type of source could be a divine source, whereas another could be non-divine and natural. I believe that morality is a product of selfpreservation in the first place and extending from that the preservation of the group (no matter how large that one is). Whatever serves the group to make it blossom or keep going (including adressing threats), that is what would be "good" and that which would lead to the destruction of the group/individual would be "bad". That is why there are differences between individuals, religions, countries, .... concerning what is considered "good" or "bad". Religion imo bases this most of the time on a authority outside the physical realm, which I think stems from a time where uncertainty in life needed to be cooped with in a more raw-level approach and how better than to believe there's something having more control over this world we live in that we might be able to rely on, thus being less uncertain about life and less scared and with more hope. Adding the idea one can connect with this "authority" is the icing on the cake regarding certainty, purpose and hope in life. In a similar way we consider out parents as when we were still kids. I'm reading a book right now in which a 14th century muslim "scholar" quotes other famous people from that day, of which one speaks in similar terms, that is is about preservation of the "species" (even), that murder and adultery leads to destruction. Ironically this is more of a secular reasoning than religious, but hey.. So the "source" of morality according to non-religious minds would simply be that it is our brain, which can also harbor religious moral codes as well as non-religious ones. To religious people it obviously is going to be an authority outside our brains. The sad part about that is that I find it often does not want to adapt to the changes in history or recognize potential improvements, and this makes the "divine authority" it's greatest weakness and potential killer. Just look at the kingdoms in Europe, how the belief was that kings were "anointed" by god (aka given the right to rule). See how many there are left and in which manner they rule now. Now the "authority" is given by the government/people, basically reduced to ambassadors for their country. The US Constitution (and others) is a great example of how religious authority to rule had been deemed redundant for obvious reasons. What do you tink is the source of morality?
@kennethanderson8770
6 ай бұрын
Good thing IP responded to this video. Just for the sake of showing the intellectual shallowness.
@utubepunk
6 ай бұрын
What I'm getting from all this is that ancient Hebrew rap battles simply did not flow.
@pragmaticcrystal
6 ай бұрын
🤣
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
This comment should be pinned! XD
@1001011011010
6 ай бұрын
I think they still had flow listen to the Hebrew renditions of ie the psalms. But imagine the word play to rhyme both sounds and concepts!
@therion5458
6 ай бұрын
We all thought Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane...When really, he was spittin bars in the garden of Gucci mane.
@pragmaticcrystal
6 ай бұрын
@@therion5458 lmao
@charlesatty
6 ай бұрын
I know a guy who knows a guy who said Bart is wrong. The man watched Ben hur so obvious he is knowledgeable.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@charlesatty Michael gave a full hour to a few of Bart’s points and offered plenty of his own arguments. 10 seconds is hardly representative. :/
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud Still pushing your apologist nonsense I see.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@fordprefect5304 "Still pushing your apologist nonsense I see." The comment is on Derek's derogatory and misleading representation, not the substance. If you were truly engaging my replies, you would see that. :/
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud IP is a bold faced liar. Yes, i have called him that in a video reply.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@fordprefect5304 "IP is a bold faced liar. Yes, i have called him that in a video reply." Liar implies knowing his mental state, knowing his intent. Do you know for a fact what Michael's mental state is when he speaks and produces content? NOTE: I don't think anybody can from merely their content without external confirmation. :/ Also, calling someone a liar is a claim....I don't see you justifying your claim with evidence.
@discoveringancienthistoryw5246
6 ай бұрын
"Woefully ignorant" - "That's a bold statement Cotton!"
@watashiwajoedesu
6 ай бұрын
Hyperbole is always the first instinct of the insecure mind.
@Hashem-g3t
6 ай бұрын
@@watashiwajoedesuwhat a stupid statement! How well have you tested this senseless hypothesis?
@rationalmuscle
6 ай бұрын
Let's see if it pays off...
@daletpave4123
6 ай бұрын
Must be the luck of the Irish... 😄
@charliejackson5492
3 ай бұрын
Willfully dishonest Mickey boy is.
@saulmighty
6 ай бұрын
Quite funny. We've had a famous apologist say Bart Ehrman is a thoroughly unhappy atheist man (on Paulogia's channel if I remember correctly) and now IP derides Bart because he laughs so much (and thus that makes him a buffoon of some sort). There's just no way to win.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@saulmighty It was 10 seconds out of over an hour live-stream. Literally Derek’s explanation at the end of this clip IS described by Michael with tons of charity! Derek describes it hypothetically…which is massively disingenuous if Derek is trying to represent Michael’s opinion. :/
@donnievance1942
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud Here's what you apologists can't seem to get: You can parse scripture all day long. None of it means a damn thing, because the entire New Testament is nothing but cult writings by a bunch of people who were credulous enough to believe magical horse$h!t or dishonest enough to claim they did. Every word of it is tainted by either gullibility or lies, and so has no evidentiary value for anything. All the convoluted scholarship over what this means and what that means is ridiculous. All of it is from a 2000-year-old book of hocus pocus. End of story.
@harrietriddle2197
6 ай бұрын
"For John [the Baptist] came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, “He has a demon”; the Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, “Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax-collectors and sinners!” Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds." -Jesus, Matthew 11:18-20. 😜
@WMedl
6 ай бұрын
Umberto Eco showed in his famous novel "The name of the rose" what kind haters of laughter are made of...
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@harrietriddle2197 What's your point?
@louisnemzer6801
6 ай бұрын
IMO "Septuagint" sounds so much cooler than "LXX"
@MrMortal_Ra
6 ай бұрын
Naa. LXX sounds better.
@Canaanitebabyeater
6 ай бұрын
Why pick one when you can have both?
@stevenalexander6713
6 ай бұрын
LXX is just an abbreviation. I always pronounce it Septuagint.
@busterbiloxi3833
6 ай бұрын
Septuagint is a Greek abbreviation.
@divinity996
6 ай бұрын
Totally, Septuagint makes me sound very erudite and sophisticated when I say it.😂😂😂
@saulmighty
6 ай бұрын
I have to give it to Bart. He's never antagonistic towards his nay-sayers, he's always so polite and best of all, he doesn't get personally insulted. These are some really great qualities of character for each of us to strive towards. :)
@mistermurtad2831
6 ай бұрын
He tries to laugh it away.
@saulmighty
6 ай бұрын
@@mistermurtad2831 That's a bad argument. Other critical scholars (who are there to criticize his work) don't care whether he laughs or cries in real life, they just care about his written works. So neither should you.
@mistermurtad2831
6 ай бұрын
@@saulmighty It is a coping mechanism. A few times would be charming, but the incessant laughter is a cover-up.
@3wolfsdown702
6 ай бұрын
Bart silly and leave stuff out the fact that the Apostle stole the donkeys or as he and Christians would say they borrowed it😅
@saulmighty
6 ай бұрын
@@mistermurtad2831 That's just his personality, having watched his videos for years. If you find anything more in there, I'm almost scared you're going into conspiracy theory territory. Please don't go there man.
@properfpv7160
6 ай бұрын
IP is an apologist. Someone who explains away anything that makes his religion look silly. Bart is a critical scholar. He looks and finds the inconsistencies and doesn’t have to defend a religion at all. You can’t trust any apologetic answer to anything. It’s always spin, obfuscation, pre-suppositional-ism, trying to explain away the contradiction, muddy the water, resort to poisoning the well and character assassination. he literally can’t agree that there’s a contradiction because he pre-supposed that the Bible is inerrant. It’s also his job to try and make the Bible sound reasonable. Inspiring philosophy should rename their channel Inspiring Spin.
@wwiels
6 ай бұрын
The name 'IP' says it all, really. The conclusions are the premise.
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
So true, I have had some exchanges with IP and no matter what evidence you present he has a way of deflecting. My best description of IP is a: Charlatan who preys on gullible believers by throwing straws to them as they will grasp on anything to confirm their beliefs.
@Canaanitebabyeater
6 ай бұрын
InspiringApologetics
@beatleswithaz6246
6 ай бұрын
No one has to “trust” anything. Even if he is biased we have to take his arguments at face value. Ignoring him because he believes in a religion is also a bias. The arguments stand and fall on their own merit.
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
@@beatleswithaz6246 I have watched many of his videos. He is an unabashed *Bold Faced Liar*
@oliveblake8154
6 ай бұрын
It’s so cool that you have access to these scholars and can call them up when needed. Keep doing what you’re doing! Love the content!
@petermetcalfe6722
6 ай бұрын
IP is just another clueless, biased Christian.
@deusvult9372
6 ай бұрын
Bart is just another bias agnostic scholar.
@HangrySaturn
6 ай бұрын
@@deusvult9372 DEUS LO VULT!
@ApPersonaNonGrata
6 ай бұрын
Mikey be Inspiring Dunning-Kruger Philosophy.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
So it’s funny to insult Michael, but it’s wrong for Michael to say Bart seems “woefully ignorant” with all of Michael’s explanation cut out? I don’t get how you do both and be consistent. :/
@ApPersonaNonGrata
6 ай бұрын
Nah. There's no personal insult to what I said. It's literally what Mike is demonstrating. When the truth is insulting, whose fault is that? As for the rest of Mike's explanation, several qualified scholars went over every single word of it, over at Dr Kipp's. Derek (in the above video) references that stream. Mike was invited to be part of that stream. He ignored it. But if he wants to make time for it, several highly qualified scholars will make themselves available for that discussion. Meanwhile, let's be honest and frank about this. The real reasons non-Scholar-Mike is going after the world-renowned New Testament scholar Dr Bart Ehrman: 1. Damage control. Because fundamentalist (and moderate) Christianity is being exposed so utterly for the destructive grift that it is. The entire cult-ure is losing members at an unprecedented pace. We ARE witnessing the early stages of the death of Christianity. Understandably, that has hardliners panicking. 2. Identity marker pandering; in an effort to consolidate other fundies under the I.P banner. Mikey gotsa get paid, yo! It doesn't bother him to make bank off of "the message". He realizes that "the message" is no more sacred than the cash.
@utubepunk
6 ай бұрын
@@ApPersonaNonGrata BINGO!
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud Still defending you apologist I see.
@TrontaviousKatarina
6 ай бұрын
That doesn’t even make sense 🤣 This isn’t philosophy
@theresadelaney3255
6 ай бұрын
I watched your channel first because you have Dr. Ehrman on. I have since subscribed to your channel and marathon watching. Please keep up the good work and fight the good fight.
@wheat3226
6 ай бұрын
Why doesn't IP have Bart on his channel? My prophesy...He won't.
@DiverRamada
6 ай бұрын
He has had him on his channel . Bart costs a lot of money tho
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@DiverRamada Bingo. Unfortunately folks would rather bash and add heat rather than light. :/
@rami3283
6 ай бұрын
He does have him in his channel, this shows how little you know of the person you’re trying to make seem like he’s scared
@paisleepunk
6 ай бұрын
welp, y'all know what to do with false prophets by now lol
@wheat3226
6 ай бұрын
@@paisleepunk Gulp.
@saulmighty
6 ай бұрын
Wow. I never knew how much value there was knowing whether Jesus rode on two donkeys or one. It just blows my mind. People really care that much?
@jimralston4789
6 ай бұрын
When one's whole faith and worldview is dependent on the inerrancy of the Bible, every possible error no matter how small is to be defended to the last breath. So yeah some people do care.
@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic
6 ай бұрын
@@jimralston4789thanks for reading my mind
@methodbanana2676
6 ай бұрын
Very nice. Time for an apology from IP perhaps?
@21stcenturyrambo16
6 ай бұрын
He won't he will double down
@properfpv7160
6 ай бұрын
He can’t. His job is to lie about the Bible and defend it no matter what.
@tomasrocha6139
6 ай бұрын
IP: An argument from silence is a fallacy. Also IP: The Gospels are early because they're silent about late stuff! He's just unserious.
@methodbanana2676
6 ай бұрын
@@21stcenturyrambo16 yeah, that sounds about right!
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@methodbanana2676 An apology for a 10 second clip out of context? The livestream of over an hour (bout 1:20, Derek was way off by saying 2 hours and 30 minutes) was filled with charity toward part. Derek even speaks of charity towards Bart (got an off the cuff question) when Michael made the same point…never brought up by Derek who supposedly is honestly representing Michael’s response. I’d say the only disingenuous action was Derek’s here. :/
@alexmclaughlin2189
6 ай бұрын
I haven’t even watched the video yet but I have to say apologists love picking on Bart ehrman it’s crazy. He just tell historical facts and data. There is a way larger group of historians that say similar stuff on KZitem it’s just funny how ehrman gets the target on his back
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
Michael was very charitable to Bart in the livestream. Derek unfortunately only clipped the most juicy clip out of context and proceeded to offer Michael no charity…the opposite of what Michael did for Bart. :/
@alexmclaughlin2189
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud you might be correct and I am not just saying mike jones I am saying it’s a trend amongst apologists
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@alexmclaughlin2189 Ok...but we don't fallaciously apply trends to the individual which Derek mostly did here. :/ While Bart is unfairly targetted generally, which Michael would likely also agree on, we should be conscious about still engaging with charity. For example, Trent Horn did a response video to a few popular Bart clips and it was actually really good and very chairtable (granted I am biased as a fan of Trent). For example, I am watching Dr Kipp's stream and he is being very chairtable as well as offering full context. If Michael (or anybody I followed) did a response to him, I would chastize any commenter for lumping Kipp in with a negatively connotated trend. :) Sorry for the long comment, I clearly rambled too much! Have a great evening. :)
@javierivantorres7668
6 ай бұрын
bro got balls to call bart ignorant
@mistermurtad2831
6 ай бұрын
Not really. Bart really doesn't live up to the credit he receives.
@3wolfsdown702
6 ай бұрын
The more Bart learns the more he laughs about his religion .. It's A coping mechanism it's gotten worse over the years
@mistermurtad2831
6 ай бұрын
@@3wolfsdown702 Yes. Ask yourself if the statement he is responding to is really funny. Most times it is not laughable funny. It is more like a tic or space filler while he thinks of a response.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
He didn’t call Bart ignorant, but said seems ignorant due to the loads of other positions Michael went on to cite. Remember, it’s 10 seconds out of over an hour. Derek clipped out the most polarizing segment and didn’t even mention how Michael openly said Bart probably was caught off guard and made a few poor comments. :/
@ep8569
6 ай бұрын
@@3wolfsdown702 Ad Hominem is a very common attack when a valid response is lacking.
@JamesRichardWiley
6 ай бұрын
Why is Michael Jones convinced that he is the expert on the anonymous authors of Mathews gospel? Because Michael is a god believing Christian who reads a lot.
@MrMortal_Ra
6 ай бұрын
“Why is Michael Jones convinced that he is the expert” Don’t we all?
@Jd-808
6 ай бұрын
I would say “who reads selectively”
@Jd-808
6 ай бұрын
@@MrMortal_Ra no?
@pleaseenteraname1103
6 ай бұрын
When does he ever claim to be an expert? Why do you think he quotes from scholars in his videos😂.
@MrMortal_Ra
6 ай бұрын
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Finally, some not angry Redditor.
@MuktiArno
6 ай бұрын
Epic rap battles of history 😂
@HangrySaturn
6 ай бұрын
Michael Jones....VERSUS...BART EEEEEEEHRMAAAN! BEGIN!
@11kravitzn
6 ай бұрын
What?? IP is totally wrong and flinging baseless accusations? Say it ain't so!
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
Do you think 10 seconds of an over hour stream is enough to determine they were “baseless accusations?” Derek literally speaks of a hypothetical on Bart not having the materials on hand…when Michael literally offered that as good reason why Bart made a mistake. :/
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud wah wah wah Will you ever stop your whining.
@ep8569
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud If the length of the stream was important, we would live in a flat earth and whatnot.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@fordprefect5304 "wah wah wah Will you ever stop your whining." Mocking a stranger on the Internet is immature. Please, lets be respectful and practice charity. That said, you are free to continue to act in whatever fashion you please.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@ep8569 "If the length of the stream was important, we would live in a flat earth and whatnot." This statement is nonsensical. IP debates against Young Earth Creationists, so I believe you may be confused. Me pointing out his stream's length due to the amount of content covered is relevant to the video you are commenting under.
@ezshottah3732
6 ай бұрын
Prophesying that the savior will enter Jerusalem on a donkey is like saying Jesus will cross the border in a Honda
@IheartDogs55
6 ай бұрын
Dr. Ehrman is a class act.
@charliejackson5492
3 ай бұрын
Says who ? Says you the shill ?
@charliejackson5492
3 ай бұрын
Mickey boys the class Act he gets things laughably wrong and dishonest and denies things that are straight clear in his face for his own dishonest cult agenda don't try to BS us.
@vikingdemonpr
6 ай бұрын
Right from the start I had to laugh out loud. One can agree or disagree with some of the scholarly stances of Dr. Ehrman, but not only he is one of the top scholars in the world, he was a fundamentalist and an apologist just like Inspiring Philosophy!!! Calling him "wilfully ignorant" in any way is just preposterous and laughable!
@IheartDogs55
6 ай бұрын
I know, right? Is IP just upset that Dr. Ehrman was no longer convinced of Christianity after really researching the ancient texts? DR. Ehrman is hardly the first textual scholar who left Christianity.
@zdzislawmeglicki2262
6 ай бұрын
I ❤ Bart Ehrman. His scholarship is astounding, and he has the rare gift to convey his knowledge in ways that are entertaining yet thorough. I'm certain God shall make Bart's enemies a footstool for his feet.
@abdiadan4837
6 ай бұрын
Mr bart reasons logic makes sense: in the first step start with why is it that mathew gosbles are according to him: who is the source of all he says according to mathew;
@user-pw6ei2mn7x
6 ай бұрын
👏👏👏🍀🍀🍀
@zdzislawmeglicki2262
6 ай бұрын
@@tasmarkou5681 We all share the evidence the miracles are fairy tales. The evidence is mathematics, physics, chemistry, astronomy, geology, biology, medicine, archaeology, and history. Energy has to be conserved, entropy has to rise.
@zdzislawmeglicki2262
6 ай бұрын
@@tasmarkou5681 Jesus didn't have "such following," neither is there any evidence of Jesus "miracles" arising from contemporary independent sources. The Bible doesn't count as a historical or independent document, and it's not even contemporary. Not a single New Testament book was written by someone who had met Jesus in person. Jesus was an unknown preacher from Galilee, his "followers" counted no more than a dozen or two, and he didn't claim to be "the son of God" any more than anybody else. Note, the "Lord's Prayer" begins with "Our Father who art in Heaven." Doesn't this imply that we are all children of God?
@bonojennett
6 ай бұрын
@@tasmarkou5681the Christology and myth stories of Jesus definitely evolved as the decades went by, and the followers most likely exaggerated the miracles and fabricated his divinity.
@michaelwalsh683
6 ай бұрын
Dang. Some wants to challenge Doc Ehrman on scholarship?? His home turf??? [gets out popcorn]. C’mon team Ehrman!
@cainebarrettduggan5337
6 ай бұрын
I have to say Bart is one of my favourite scholars
@russellmiles2861
6 ай бұрын
great sense of humor
@cainebarrettduggan5337
6 ай бұрын
@@russellmiles2861 ya not alot of scholars I know have a sense of humour like Bart
@ceriasophis405
6 ай бұрын
Ehrman knows his stuff..with a Critical Historical understanding..while others just follow the narrative to make the wanted outcome be true..when it was obviously if taken in context of the reality of the time and custom..to generate, keep a myth under authoritative control.
@juderenard8273
6 ай бұрын
Humble dude that guy Bart E is
@jcg7672
6 ай бұрын
I think InspiringPhilosophy has a very confident presentation but a lot of what he says falls apart when you think about it more closely. He has a very naive view of the authorship of the gospels.
@cindyisa10
6 ай бұрын
How is his view of the authorship of the gospels naive? Where does it fall apart?
@logans.butler285
6 ай бұрын
His view about hell is also cringe and misinformed af I'm spelling on writing a response someday
@cindyisa10
6 ай бұрын
@@logans.butler285 What about his naive view of the authorship of the gospels?
@jcg7672
6 ай бұрын
@@cindyisa10 he thinks that the church’s declaration of knowing who wrote anonymous gospels decades after they were circulating when they plagiarize each other and copy each other in different places is definitely true. we actually have no reason to think those attributions make any sense.
@cindyisa10
6 ай бұрын
@@jcg7672 I enjoy listening to Dr Ehrman and have learned a lot of things from him. However, I think several other scholars present convincing cases that the the gospels were more likely written by the people the tradition claims. There are more lines of evidence for this fact than against it. I'm willing to change my mind. Arguments from silence don't hold much water in most cases. 🙂
@BGTats144
6 ай бұрын
Inspired philosophy wow I had an argument with that guy once about the origin of Christmas..
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
I have had multiple arguments with him the last Time I called him a; Charlatan who preys on gullible believers by throwing straws to them as they will grasp on anything to confirm their beliefs. He has ignored me ever since.
@Ghost-pb4ts
6 ай бұрын
Bart Ehrman and Seth Rogen have laughs that could be twins separated at birth!
@pleaseenteraname1103
6 ай бұрын
🤣
@danjohnson8138
6 ай бұрын
I like a game of taking a drink everytime Bart laughs at something he says. 🍻
@marionfowler4270
6 ай бұрын
I need this crossover episode now.
@Theprofessorator
6 ай бұрын
The reason that they want Matthew written in Hebrew is because we get "Matthew" as the author from Papias who calls Matthew's Gospel a "sayings Gospel" and "written in Hebrew." The problem apologists have is that we don't have any evidence that what we call "Matthew" was ever written in Hebrew, nor is it a "sayings Gospel." So, if "Matthew" was never written in Hebrew, then we don't have what Papias had and we don't know what "Matthew" is.
@ghostriders_1
6 ай бұрын
What you say is true! However Papias didn't "have" anything at all other than hearsay. He was a very foolish & gullible man according to Eusebius. He wrote a 5 volume work, Expositions of the sayings of the Lord, which would have been one of the earliest accounts of Christianity but no-one could be bothered to save a single page of it. There is no evidence that Matthew was written in Hebrew & lots that it wasn't! Mathew is a redaction of Mark, the author has appropriated 600 of Mark's 662 Greek verses & corrected quite a few mistakes that the earlier author made. The base text for Matthew's gospel is the Greek version of OT scripture, the Septuagint, which Jesus always quotes in this gospel despite the fact they often say quite different things! Eusebius started this ruse & Christians have been trying to refine it ever since. The goal is to establish an apostolic connection between Jesus & the readers of the gospel. By falsifying the date & language of Matthew's gospel they then try to make the claim that the author was not only an apostle but an eyewitness. The author has, nor even claims to have, either status.
@tariqspaulding8034
6 ай бұрын
I thought Jesus spoke the Aramic language, when do we get to see the Gospel in his language?
@sjl197
6 ай бұрын
I thought it’s all hearsay and spin several years after any events, even several hundred.
@ghostriders_1
6 ай бұрын
@tariqspaulding8034 If Jesus existed there is no way to know exactly what language (s) he spoke. Judging by the narrative of the gospel he spoke Greek, Jesus only quotes or references OT scripture from the Greek Septuagint. This is not a translation issue as the Greek version consistently differs from the Hebrew original. To debate Pharisees & gain respect/credibility he would need to be literate in Hebrew but there is no evidence he was.
@Theprofessorator
6 ай бұрын
@tariqspaulding8034 probably never. All data indicates the disciples didn't write the Gospels so there's no reason to suspect they'd be written in Aramaic. All four are suspected to have been originally penned in Greek.
@acerx203
6 ай бұрын
Micheal Jones is just another grifter like virtually all the other apologists. They are losing their audience.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@acerx203 Being a “grifter” implies motive, meaning you know Michael’s mind beyond his apparent actions. Do you know Michael personally or are getting such personal knowledge through another means?
@BasharLykos
6 ай бұрын
Woah thanks for the layers of reaction to this christian slander. Thankx Bart and mythvision
@thethinker829
6 ай бұрын
What are you expecting from invented Roman religion? It's like let's open the grave after 3 days when the body is already decades to put spices to perfume it, in ancient israel it was done before the barrial because there were no fridges but you need this story to make sure that people will know that Jesus ascended 😅.
@JuanMPalacio
6 ай бұрын
The controversial verse is: ”they brought the donkey and the colt, and put their cloaks on them, and he sat on them.” (Matthew 21:7 NRSV) Why can’t that be interpreted as: “they brought the donkey and the colt, and put their cloaks on [the donkey and the colt], and he sat on [their cloaks]”? If I say, “the waiters brought my appetizers, and then I ate them”, isn’t it easy to interpret that I ate the appetizers, not the waiters?
@Traveler012
6 ай бұрын
The word of God, the inspired word of God, word of man inspired by God, word of unknown authors inspired by God, word of God send by God with inspiration by God written by unknown men who where belivers bit we really don't kown their real name last name or anything about them 😂 a book from God full of errors and contradictions 😂 even Hindus have more legs to stand on 😂
@mariovillarreal8647
6 ай бұрын
The books speak for themselves regardless of Any worldly scholarship, they say what they say. You are in effect saying ,"well, all these scholars say this. Why doesn't Bart Erhman akowledge them or their line of reasoning? He must be ignorant of all this scholarship! You are putting the scholarship ahead if the Actual word. Dr. Ehrman is using his God- given right to use his God- given mind and think, read, analyze, determine and Discern for himself. " To EACH MAN an answer!!" NOT: " you better believe what the scholars say and do!!" Like changing and omitting from Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Dead Sea Scrolls, scroll 4Q44!! Dr. Ehrman is His Own Scholar through guidance of the Holy Spirit. He doesn't NEED Your validation or stamp of approval!! He has the Word...
@dannyboyakadandaman504furl9
6 ай бұрын
Michael is pretty much telling you he doesn't care if he's wrong.
@saulmighty
6 ай бұрын
Worse, he's telling everyone that he's absolutely right.
@DUDEBroHey
6 ай бұрын
We can see how wrong Derek is in the video. Bart keeps having to keep reeling him back in from drifting away into myth and such...
@pointbreak8646
6 ай бұрын
This is what a Christian said to me about the second coming, I asked her if she thought it would happen in her lifetime? Her reply 'yes of course,definitely, I cant wait to meet him' I then asked her if she got to her 90s he had not returned would she doubt the prophecy, realise it wasn't going to happen and that she had been lied to? Her reply 'he obviously wasn't ready' you cannot reason with these people, they have their own truth, they are completely indenial. It went from a definitely to he wasn't ready? I can't fathom their mindset at all. Religion destroys the human physcology. Its incredible what it does to people. Its so sad!
@DUDEBroHey
6 ай бұрын
@@pointbreak8646 we couldn't reason with you guys all throughout COVID and policies enacted for it....
@pointbreak8646
6 ай бұрын
@@DUDEBroHey how on earth has covid been mentioned?
@9501599
6 ай бұрын
Oh no Bart is ignorant 😒, everyone is entitled to their opinion 🙄. I like Barts candor on the matters of the Bible. I dont know but because I listen to Dr Erman and enjoy his Misquoting Jesus podcasts I must be ignorant too. 😢. Well everyone is entitled to their opinion 😮
@DeepDrinks
6 ай бұрын
Amazing, love seeing Bart on Mythvision
@goodquestion7915
6 ай бұрын
A serial quote-miner evaluating the scholarship of a PhD who actually listens to criticism and responds with nuance. IP did it again. He dug a few more miles below William "low-bar" Craig's award winning low-bar comment.
@martinnyberg9295
6 ай бұрын
0:02 That is just so funny! 🤣 Some dude on the internet thinks he knows more from his armchair than a dude who has studied the New Testament for *_decades_*. 😂🙄
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@martinnyberg9295 That’s the Vercundiam fallacy of arguing from expertise. Michael quoted scholars with experience and argued how their arguments better stacked up. None of this was addressed here. :/
@utubepunk
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud Dr. Kipp & others have shown how IP cherry picks various scholars, often incorrectly to support his arguments. He's a highly motivated bad faith actor & his mental gymnastics are hella cringe.
@tariqspaulding8034
6 ай бұрын
The Bible a very dangerous book (Roman 3:7)
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@utubepunk "Dr. Kipp & others have shown how IP cherry picks various scholars, often incorrectly to support his arguments." Wait, is it cherry picking or building his case for his position? Context of a video/live stream is important since plenty of videos don't have to address all relevant scholars when the goal is to build the affirmative case and address other opinions in a different video/live stream. Also I am open to IP being wrong, although being mistaken is very different than being insincere. "He's a highly motivated bad faith actor & his mental gymnastics are hella cringe." And this is what I mean. IP is mistaken or did something fallaciously, therefore he is a "bad faith actor" as a statement of fact. Do you honestly know his mental state and level of sincerity, or is this psychoanalysis? :/
@utubepunk
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDud This is an opinion after watching many people break down IP's videos & claims to show how he misleads through omission, moves the goal post & uses poor reasoning skills to justify his beliefs. He engages in incredible mental gymnastics in order to maintain his specific brand of Christianity.
@gustavlarsson7494
6 ай бұрын
Michael Jones... The man who gave us the quote: "They were called the Philistines, because they came from the land of the Philistines."
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
love it....
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
HIs actual quote is as I just looked it up was "People who live in the land of the Philistines." Except everywhere else in the bible, they are called Canaanites.
@gustavlarsson7494
6 ай бұрын
@@fordprefect5304 Ah, you found it! What was the name of the video? I tried to find it again but couldn't
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
It is even funnier that the first time I watched it 2 years ago.
@charliejackson5492
3 ай бұрын
You don't even know what Philistines even means the word Philistine comes from the word Palestine and it means those who stand the ground it was mixed in with Greek pirates the Hebrew Bible is not aware of this and they use their own terminology of when the Hebrews came into the land of Palestine in the real world and then mix it into their fiction mythology we get later on we'll be called the Bible or tanakh.
@paskal007r
6 ай бұрын
omg I just watched kipp trash that video now I get also bart's reaction? yass pleaaaaaase. (also, stop the genocide y'all)
@ftg3183
6 ай бұрын
Some times when Apologists like Micheal Jones... say stuff like this I wander is it the same facts we are looking at 😂
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@ftg3183 Did you look at any of the facts Michael presented in his livestream?
@saintfreezy6914
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDudi heard his voice crack repeatedly like a 12 year old
@tonyburton419
6 ай бұрын
Do not be at all concerned with Michael Jones. He is so intensely emotionally attached and needy for Christianity to be true, he will always find ways to circumvent any critical thinking.
@thedungeon9992
6 ай бұрын
Micheal jones is going to make a fine atheist 😂
@penlight5289
4 ай бұрын
Michael Jones.....A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
@alanhyland5697
6 ай бұрын
The argument that I remember is that the donkey was pregnant, so Jesus was riding the mother donkey and the colt in utero, which was how he literally fulfilled scripture.
@melanieahrens6739
6 ай бұрын
That’s a new one!
@saulmighty
6 ай бұрын
Of course! Someone always comes up with a perfect response that explains everything perfectly. That's the whole job of apologetics. Even in the case of did Jesus ride on two donkeys (which is ridiculous!) or just one (which is so much better!).
@3wolfsdown702
6 ай бұрын
He literally stole the donkeys😅 do you claim it as they claimed he borrowed it
@Tina06019
6 ай бұрын
Hahaha! Was the Savior turning His followers into horse thieves?!
@3wolfsdown702
6 ай бұрын
@@Tina06019 or why would the apostles forsook Jesus?? for spending two nights with a naked teenage boy in a house outside the garden ?? it literally says the apostles forsook him?? And the Romans came to arrest Jesus, and a naked boy runs away leaving his linen clothes 🤣
@leftfield5914
6 ай бұрын
There's no such thing as "prophecy"
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
Ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh you are going to upset the believers.
@thesupremechickenhed
6 ай бұрын
Inspiring philosophy is soooo damn confident while being extremely ignorant. Hes the absolute embodiment of the Dunning Krueger effect
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
Hey Derek, why only offer a 10 second clip of Michael to Bart? I get Bart’s time is short, but Michael spent an hour responding to a few of Bart’s point and was littered with charity and compliments towards Bart. Considering your opening was a few minutes, it seems to be disingenuous to dedicate more time to advertising your course and describing your actions rather than more fully representing the person you are reacting to. :/
@sniperwolf50
6 ай бұрын
Yes, Bart Ehrman, the new testament scholar, is ignorant of the scholarship about the book of Matthew
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
Nice try, you have been deluded by your hero.
@bengreen171
6 ай бұрын
typical IP - you didn't mention some fringe views, therefore you don't know about them. For someone who constantly kicks around the phrase 'evidence to the best explanation' or whatever he says, he sure seems to leap to bizarrely unlikely conclusions. I read one of the sources IP claims Bart is ignoring - it's an article by Stephen Carlson that's so torturous and convoluted that at one point it claims Matthew is so set on keeping to the Hebrew that he.....includes 2 donkeys...despite admitting that the Hebrew only has 1 donkey.
@baxterwilliams2170
6 ай бұрын
I think trying to fit in both InspiringPhilosophy and Kipps response for Bart might have been a bit too much. It would have been nice if Bart had a chance to just talk about the opinion of the scholars that IP cited. Are they good scholars? Has he heard of their theories? Does he think their view is lacking in specific areas? I know Bart is just coming onto these interviews quickly to promote the course, and he doesn't want to dive super deep into literary analysis on short interviews but it's just unfortunate and I don't think IP fans looking for a response will get much out of this video. As far as I could tell, the only response here is [paraphrasing] "Matthew could be using a different Septuagint" and "Matthew isn't stupid for doing this, it's just a type of textual analysis that even Jewish rabbis do at times. Like gematria. Not dumb, just different."
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
This is a great comment. I guess off to check out Dr Kipp’s response! :P
@IheartDogs55
6 ай бұрын
@@FuddlyDudDr. Kipp's response was two hours long. Get ready!
@charliejackson5492
6 ай бұрын
Matthew misquotes tanakh as well as invent stuff as well as misquotes and contradicts. And of course fights The book of mark on their new Jesus hoax Cult.
@charliejackson5492
6 ай бұрын
And this is all second century and later and it gets even worse Luke comes along and fights Matthew and then John comes along and fights all three of the former gasspell texts.
@FuddlyDud
6 ай бұрын
@@IheartDogs55 Watched a great chunk of it, basically agreed with it. Also it was addressed by Michael in his latest livestream. Seems like the issue is closed for now. :)
@Nameless-pt6oj
6 ай бұрын
I think this may be leading up to a potential debate between IP and Prof. Ehrman.
@shanegooding4839
6 ай бұрын
Bart's the guy I go to for all my ignorance 😞😭😂!
@Looshington
6 ай бұрын
ahh i already watched Dr. Davis obliterate IP for nearly 2 hours last week… which means i’m ready to watch Bart irrationally irritate IP from laughing at his attempts to logicalize the illogical😂
@gordondetotth9302
6 ай бұрын
Could "Inspiring Philosophy" be renamed "Uninspiring Garbage" (or something similar)? Keep up the good work.
@The_Legend_Himself
6 ай бұрын
IP is a smart guy but being a Christian apologist renders him unable to look at criticism regarding his face objectively.
@ChristianCarrizales
6 ай бұрын
“Actual scholars” = Apologists 😂😂😂
@theprinceofdarkness4679
6 ай бұрын
could it be that Michael jones is on his last gasp of christianity well he does look very desperate now
@kengemmer
6 ай бұрын
This is a big deal for biblical inerrantists and their staunchest opponents who are mostly former biblical inerrantists. It a bit trivial for the rest of us.
@trueworld78
6 ай бұрын
Love bart erman man ,bought all his audios ,he just explains it so easy so i understand it more,i don't get lost.myth vision and alot of scholars have helped me indoctrinate,bart is definately one of my favorite !
@MegaAnimeforlife
6 ай бұрын
I think Matthew and John were definitely Jews and mark and Luke were definitely gentiles just for the simple fact that mark and Luke seem to be more forgiving of the Jews then Matthew and John Luke nor mark have Matthew’s blood libel against the Jews ”And the whole people said in reply, “His blood be upon us and upon our children.”“ Matthew 27:25 NABRE And Luke actually has jesus on the cross forgiving the Jews and Roman’s who put him to death ”[Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”] They divided his garments by casting lots.“ Luke 23:34 NABRE Apostate Jews throughout history have led the most anti semitic charges against other Jews.like the apostate Jews involved in the Talmud burnings in the Middle Ages and Johannes Pfefferkorn who advocated burning all the Jewish holy books and even expelling them from Germany but were saved by devout Roman Catholic Hebrew scholar Johann Reuchlin who said the Talmud never mentioned anything negative about Jesus and Jesus was just a common name in Talmudic times.
@MegaAnimeforlife
6 ай бұрын
What I don’t understand is why would Matthew say this ”He stayed there until the death of Herod, that what the Lord had said through the prophet might be fulfilled, “Out of Egypt I called my son.” The Massacre of the Infants.“ Matthew 2:15 NABRE Quoting Hosea 11 Hoshea 11:1, 2 For, when Israel was young, I loved him, and from Egypt I called My son. The more they called to them, the more they went away from them; to the baalim they would slaughter sacrifices, and to the graven images they would burn incense. Why would Matthew equate the sinless messiah with sinful Israel? And say it is fulfilling scripture 😂
@5driedgrams
6 ай бұрын
That intro was great lol
@bigburrito308
Ай бұрын
Bart Has been in the field a hell of a lot longer than IP has And it really pisses me off seeing all of these christians try to discredit is work When it is obviously more thought out and Bart himself has explained these things before. It's almost like the Christian just doesn't want to accept that Bart may be correct on a couple of things being wrong with the Bible Christian's need Bart to be wrong.. I mean that's why some christians argue against Stephen Hawking even though they have no ground to argue their point of view..... They just say Stephen Hawking is ignorant and He shouldn't question the Bible even though physics literally counter the bible's origin story.. Christians have to discredit legitimate scholars in order to prove their point..... They're just really fucking bad at doing that 😂
@aaronlogan_music
6 ай бұрын
Love the intro music on this one
@josephturner7569
6 ай бұрын
Why isn't the King James Bible written in Scots? I like Billy Connolly's version of the Crucifixion.
@nathancranford6369
6 ай бұрын
Keep the content coming man. Great stuff. Congrats on how far you've come and the success of your channel.
@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic
6 ай бұрын
I watched Ehrman's original comments about this topic and thought it more funny than interesting. But now it's even more funny where Mike Jones took it. Such a dishonest hack.
@NoWay1969
6 ай бұрын
I've always thought this was Jesus inventing rodeo. There's not much info in the gospels about Jesus' hobbies. I just figured in his off time he rodeo clowned to blow off steam.
@DrPhilGoode
5 ай бұрын
Makes sense why we Christians love and support leaders and politicians who speak using Hebrew parallelism. A lot of people are saying that Mathew is a great, great book. Matthew is a great, great book and many smart, people also agree.
@msshaffer5
6 ай бұрын
Isn’t it possible that since they knew what the prophecy was that they purposely made Jesus to fulfill them?
@JL-go3
6 ай бұрын
It's all philosophical suicide anyway. The ancient fear of the unknown has lead people to religious control systems since the beginning of mankind. I do not fear my impending oblivion. The human ego searches for meaning in a meaningless universe and the silence creates fear thus the creation of religion to give meaning to the meaningless.
@sonofcronos7831
6 ай бұрын
Ancient writers (and modern too) commited all types of mistakes all the time. This in Matthew is just talked too much because christians believe the bible to not have mistakes.
@isashah5335
6 ай бұрын
Its complicated and really Funny , i always look this verse and try to understand , i am just about to lose my brain ( their was toooo much wisdom in it ;) )
@Dash_023
6 ай бұрын
Bart’s obvious underlying assumption is that Matthew is seeking and stretching his text to fulfill prophecies. That taints his views.
@DrPhilGoode
5 ай бұрын
How did Bart come to that assumption?
@jimmyjimmy1850
6 ай бұрын
"No man can ride two donkeys; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one and fall off the other. Ye cannot ride two donkeys"
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
Also you cannot ride a colt (baby donkey) until it is a t least 3 or 4 years old.
@jimmyjimmy1850
6 ай бұрын
@@fordprefect5304 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a man to ride two donkeys. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can ride an ass' colt? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
@fordprefect5304
6 ай бұрын
@@jimmyjimmy1850 And I say to you get a life and stop believing in made up fairy tales. Matthew 17 17 Six days later, Jesus took Peter, James, and John, the brother of James, up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 While they watched, Jesus’ appearance was changed; his face became bright like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 Then Moses and Elijah[a] appeared to them, talking with Jesus. *Wouldn't an all knowing all powerful god know Moses is a myth* Jesus had a seance with his imaginary friend? Moses has been proven to be a myth by mountains of evidence that shows the Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe that rose to the top after the bronze age collapse. That was the 10th century *BCE* Not a shred of evidence has ever been found support Exodus or Moses or Joshua. Now before you complain please have your evidence that Exodus/Moses is real.
@mariovillarreal8647
6 ай бұрын
Dr. Bart Ehrman IS NOT Ignorant On ANY Aspect of the bible.
@Uniscorn123
5 ай бұрын
I would love so much for you to have Ehrman and Allison on at the same time and have them dialogue with one another. They are two of the most interesting people alive and I have never seen them talk to one another. Would be great.
@DJTheTrainmanWalker
6 ай бұрын
Now.... There was a rehearsed phrase...
@aaroncrawford8123
6 ай бұрын
I think if Jesus had fulfilled ANY scriptures,...at all,...literally or otherwise,...things would be a whole lot different right now. 👉
@aaroncrawford8123
6 ай бұрын
@@tasmarkou5681 ...maybe the question should be, What DID he fulfill?
@rocketmangenesis
6 ай бұрын
Jesus never rides in on two animals. The two donkeys in Jesus' "triumphant entry" are a non-issue. Matthew 21:7 says that the disciples "led out the donkey and its foal and spread on them their cloaks, and Jesus took his seat down on top of the garments." There are two donkeys and Jesus sat on one but sat on the garments placed on them. The mother donkey among the loud crowd was there to give comfort to the young one that Jesus was riding one because it was never had a human ride it before.
@Monedgar123
6 ай бұрын
Maybe Mathew didn’t write it? Maybe some less “genius “ person came along later and wrote in a literal fulfilling of prophecy?
@matthewkaptena9512
6 ай бұрын
I mean it's pretty well established that Matthew didn't write it. He may have written something in Hebrew, but this ain't it.
@zabicvamere
5 ай бұрын
Tbh. Who cares about how he rode the damn donkies. It doesnt take away from the rest of the events.
@mitchellmcnaney7559
6 ай бұрын
I watched the full hour from IP, I feel like he being misrepresented here. He wasn't claiming that Bart is ignorant of all scholarship in Matthew. Its been a while since I've seen it, but I feel like I remember him being pretty fair to Bart for most of the hour. He was only saying "On this particular issue, Bart seems uninformed". Idk, the intro and overall tone of this video feels like its meant to entertain and sell Barts course. BUT, I'm assuming there and I could be wrong, just feels like it when someone is misrepresented to hype up a claim that was much more mild in the original video.
@hermes2056
19 күн бұрын
Bart isn't. Mike holds to a very, very fringe view of gospel authorship.
@jabbahursty
6 ай бұрын
bart? ignorant?? NFW man!
@Outlaw-of2lt
6 ай бұрын
If you don't believe why do you have this kind of programs is I don't believe in unicorns I won't even worry about it you people make no sense
@jameswright...
6 ай бұрын
Because those who do believe hold us all back.
@onika700
6 ай бұрын
So he actually was supposed to ride on the colt (the foal of an ass).
@tomboughan2718
6 ай бұрын
Matthew quotes LXX rather than original Hebrew, which gets into several errors of prophecies.
@twitherspoon8954
6 ай бұрын
Matthew claims fulfillment of a prophecy that was never made- Matthew 2:23 "And he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene." Jesus is not called Emmanuel in any verse in the New Testament nor was he born of a virgin as prophesied in Isaiah 7:14. Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel." Jesus falsely prophesies that the high priest would see his second coming. Matthew 26:64 "I say to all of you; from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the“Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” clouds of heaven.” Matthew claims God is three: "Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit". (Matthew 28:19) God states that he is one: "The LORD is one." (Deuteronomy 6:4) Matthew claims 14 generations from David to Jesus. 1st and 2nd Kings states there were 20 generations. Jesus told his disciples that they would not die before his second coming: "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". (Matthew 16:28)
@brianroyster7510
6 ай бұрын
Dr. Kipp throws a fastball across the middle of the plate for Dr. Bart to hit over apologist left field wall.
@discoveringancienthistoryw5246
6 ай бұрын
That's definitely how I would have described it as well.
@WePlugGOODMusic
6 ай бұрын
You can see the air being sucked out of the room when Bart says “it’s not that he’s (Matthew) making a mistake”
@tjbergren
6 ай бұрын
Is IP unwilling to come on? Seems one-sided.
@jabbahursty
6 ай бұрын
also, it's geh-MAH-tria. no long A
@chadwagoner7056
6 ай бұрын
Looks like D Rock likes BJJ. Cool man
@josephturner7569
6 ай бұрын
I dunno. It's all Greek to me.
@oxysz
6 ай бұрын
That’s disingenuous how Bart is joking about who cares if he’s following the Greek or Hebrew . The whole point on the past he was making was that it proves he didn’t know Hebrew and the word he used proved it but Bart was wrong on that so now just says oh who cares if he was following the Hebrew ..
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