Totally agree with you brother. I stopped chasing allocated bourbon a few months ago. There’s enough delicious reasonably priced bourbon to buy on the shelf everyday. Huge fan of Bardstown, Knob Creek, Russell’s Reserve, Old Forester…..
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Definitely. All good names you mentioned. I recently had that Old Forester Barrel Strength Rye. Amazing. I’ve also had some fire Russell’s Single Barrels. Cheers and thanks for watching! 🥃
@Buc5054
4 ай бұрын
Feel like i’ve just switched away from “chasing” unattainable bottles to just buying products that I love that are always on the shelf.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
1000%! Cheers 🥃
@cblock1002
4 ай бұрын
I agree with so much. I’m not paying secondary for anything! I really enjoy finding small Distilleries like Crittenden and Dettling that are making delicious whiskey the right way!!
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Cheers to that! 🥃
@darex0827
4 ай бұрын
I hope it's "doomed", I want these prices to come back down to reasonable.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
That would be great. Used to get Eagle Rare for like $30. Cheers 🥃
@darex0827
4 ай бұрын
@@tythebourbonguy what's that? lol. I live in Ontario Canada at the moment. Impossible to find anything up here. Need to do a nice long road trip through the US and pick up a bunch of bottles in a single run. It's either that or win a bottle lottery or spend $$$ at an auction house as the only legal way to procure bottles in the secondary market. Insanity.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
That would be frustrating. What’s a good bottle you’ve found lately? I’m curious what the selection is like up there.
@jeffreybonell4641
4 ай бұрын
Great Video. I agree 100%. I also think the manufacturers shot themselves in the foot by putting subpar whiskey in some of these releases that people chase. You know they knew it.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Appreciate you tuning in! Cheers! 🥃
@thomasanderson2870
4 ай бұрын
And I thought I was the only one saying that. Never heard anyone say that on a channel. Many " BOTTLERS" pumping out sourced spirits as fast as possible...
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Cheers 🥃
@thomasanderson2870
4 ай бұрын
Just watched this today, enjoyed your input very much 👍. A must watch indeed 💯👌
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the support! Cheers! 🥃
@NotUrGuru
4 ай бұрын
The problem is the distributors. Buffalo Trace and others are making more whiskey than ever. But the distributors horde it creating artificial scarcity and driving up prices. They trickle out allocated bottles to controlled states if they even send them bottles at all because they can jack up the price. And retailers in turn jack up their prices. Or the retailers greed kicks in and even if they get it from the distributors for a fair price, they mark up retail to damn near secondary in non controlled states.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Definitely understand that but to me, looking at the Weller lineup specifically, why create all of these products when you struggle to meet the demand for the most basic bottle in the lineup. CYPB, Single Barrel, etc. I don’t see the need for them. But just my thoughts. I hate when retailers do that and some customers are unaware they are being taken advantage of. Cheers! 🥃
@Beatwalker
4 ай бұрын
Just getting my collection started. Definitely need some Ben Holladay added for sure.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Yes. Yes you do. Cheers 🥃
@mitchelltrinka
4 ай бұрын
Stop chasing limited releases that can be hit-and-miss and look for a great quality product that you just like. I learned this lesson with sneakers more than ten years ago and have never been happier.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
It’s great advice! Cheers 🥃
@thomasanderson2870
4 ай бұрын
It's all going away as the cigar boom did in the early 90's 🤔🤫🫣
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
🥃👍🏽
@greasyghost
4 ай бұрын
Agree with you. Good video. Nice collection too, reminds me of mine on steroids. I look for bottles that I'll really enjoy drinking again. My trick for expensive bottles is just keep buying more of them to help the others last longer. And then more medium bottles too. And shelves. Mixer bottles too. More shelves.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Appreciate that. Flawless strategy by the way. You can’t go wrong. Cheers! 🥃
@johnj.baranski6553
4 ай бұрын
Have you all not had other collectable hobbies...comic books, pocket knives, sports cards, hot wheels,...they all have hard to get, limited release, secondary priced options. Its part of the hobby. Once bourbon became a hobby with "collectors" and not just a consumable beverage, it was inevitable that there would be this issue.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Not saying that this shouldn’t exist like other hobbies, just saying there are a ton of other options out there to where someone doesn’t need to hunt only allocated bottles. 🥃
@thomasanderson2870
4 ай бұрын
Market is FLOODED!!! so many different brands that if you had an unlimited budget and lived to 100 you could never even get close to trying what is out there. Most of the top shelf stuff is so INCONSISTENT that it's just not worth the price...
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Cheers 🥃
@ecwcof79
4 ай бұрын
Bardstown makes great value whiskey, Sagamore is killing it. Just bought Hard Truth Four Grain, looking forward to trying it. Ty, keep up the great work, the quality and flavor of whiskey matters more than the hype! Cheers Everyone!!
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
That Hard Truth Four Grain is the real deal! Thank you so much for the support! Cheers! 🥃
@DanDaWhiskeyMan82
4 ай бұрын
Hey Ty Just subscribed. I live in Northern Indiana. Saw you were in Indy area. Can you recommend 5.. stores to visit. I really Liked Kahn’s in Carmel. I got a really nice NuLu Toasted. 6 year malted Rye New Riff and Wee Glen Carn glass
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Appreciate the sub! Kahns is a good one. Definitely recommend Westclay Wine & Spirits in West Carmel. Rural Inn is an Indy staple near the downtown area. 21st Amendment on 146th street has allocated bottles but they sell way above SRP. Market District in Carmel has a great selection with fantastic store picks. Crown and Big Red aren’t bad either and normally have decent picks as well. We do have Total Wine here as well now. Hope that helps! Cheers! 🥃
@nickmerkerson5401
4 ай бұрын
I think alot of people do not try the base level product but instead only try premium. Basic EC, or Maker's or any of brand help to appreciate the upper end product and its value. Too much emphasis getting the latest or most instead getting to know what you like and how much you should and are willing to pay. I do think hype will kill off some of these brands.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
I’d agree with that. When I got into bourbon, I think it was a natural progression to “level up”. Nowadays, everyone thinks you start with a bottle of Pappy. 😂 Cheers 🥃
@marlonious7650
4 ай бұрын
I need that Disco 12, Penelope Rio, and that Hard Truth Rye. Craft Whiskey is taking over. Lets get it.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Hard Truth Rye is where it’s at! Great company to work with as well from my experiences. Cheers. 🥃
@WhiskyForBeginners
4 ай бұрын
Whisky isn't going to die out. It's been around for 700 years, and it's not going to fade out now. Now fads do come and go, as people mindlessly do what everyone else does for no reason, and it may come about some day that whisky is considerably less popular. It's happened before, and I expect it'll happen again. But whisky will always be around. And those of us who either can't afford to chase or buy the highly hyped or allocated stuff, or have no interest in doing so, will always be able to find something. Maker's Mark, George Dickel, Woodford Reserve, Knob Creek, Old Forester, Wild Turkey, and others are both affordable and available, and they're good. And as long as there are people who recognize this, and enjoy drinking this juice, at least those ordinary "working stiff" whiskies will still be there.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. Cheers 🥃
@alexmalyarov4390
4 ай бұрын
I agree with your point of view. I’m at a point where I have so much variety of findable bourbon that new distillers that are trying to charge a lot for a bottle which doesn’t have an age statement and probably around 4-6 years old I’m just not willing to pay just to try. Ben Holladay is at a decent price point that I’m willing to try but when the bottle is closer or over one hundred then it better have praise from a lot of people like Disco 11.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Cheers to that! Thanks for watching 🥃
@grapesodapopinski571
2 ай бұрын
Allocated issue is one thing. But the quality is dropping too. Rare Bread and 1920 used to be two great bottles in the 50-60 dollar range. Have you tried them lately 😑. EC is also using younger whiskeys and their products are very inconsistent. It’s disappointing.
@tythebourbonguy
2 ай бұрын
This seems to be a common thought among people. I think overall those bottles are still good but can definitely spot inconsistencies with some of them. 🥃
@WheelHouse1of1
Ай бұрын
The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore. I've been collecting for 10 years n calling it quits. Prices are stupid, everything good is a "special release " with the economy I had to pick what's more important n whisky in this market is a big no.
@tythebourbonguy
7 күн бұрын
I am definitely not a fan of everything being special releases. I much prefer additions to regular lineups. 🥃
@Rocky-cx6qz
4 ай бұрын
Buffalo trace didn't jack the prices up 100's of percent like wild turkey, high west , old forester is getting up there now . Buffalo trace products will always be sought after cuz they are great and in general cheaper at msrp than alot of these other distilleries.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
I enjoy some Buffalo Trace products. The issue I have is people thinking that’s the only good bourbon out there. Mainly because people don’t highlight other amazing whiskeys. For Old Forester to sell 1920 around $50-$60 to me is a massive win. Same with Wild Turkey selling Rare Breed in that same range. And at least in my area both remain findable. Cheers! 🥃
@BrianVaughn
4 ай бұрын
There are so many options, it's hard to finish one off and rebuy.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
I can definitely see this. A lot of batch specific bottles to so when you do finish it off maybe it’s not available anymore. Cheers 🥃
@MetaPrometheus
4 ай бұрын
If you can get allocated bourbon at its retail price get it. If you can't, there are plenty of available bourbons that are good value for money and that is where you should be focused. You never know, you might find you like something that was sitting on the shelf the whole time you were chasing around for that one allocated bottle. Basically, if you can't get allocated bourbon at retail then you don't need it. Plain and simple. No value is being added to those bottles after they leave the distillery. The distributors, retailers and secondary flippers add no value to those bottles they only add cost. Extra cost that you are paying that is pure profit going into their pockets! Greed, avarice and grift have ruined bourbon. As far as distillers/producers go, there are some that have price gouged their offerings so even at retail prices you are getting swindled. So in some cases, you're completely screwed even at retail prices. It's a tough time out here right now. Let those tough times arrive on these grifters doorsteps by not participating, vote with your money! Learn to live without and put that money back in YOUR pocket! Not into someone else's pocket that has added nothing whatsoever to that bottle!
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Amen! 🙌🏽😂 Cheers and thanks for watching! 🥃
@MetaPrometheus
4 ай бұрын
@@tythebourbonguy I would also add a few other things. If people are going to go on the secondary, I would hope they are educated about doing so. Bourboneur's bourbon blue book is a good price guide resource for navigating the secondary. I'm not saying it's right or that I agree with the idea of secondary, but if somebody is going to do it I'd want them to go into it fully aware. Slowly it will weed out the really bad price gougers on the secondary, but the secondary will remain. Big money has already entered bourbon and they're not going to exit the market in the red. The very very scarce things like Pappy or BTAC are being used as investments and it has trickled down to many other bottles as well. So essentially good bourbon is sitting unopened, not being shared or enjoyed. Instead those bottles have become trade fodder or for the collectors the pokemon or beanie baby phenomenon has taken over. I experienced this in coin and trading card collecting, it doesn't end well for the majority of the market. Just the people at the top who were able to enter when it was high availability and low prices. It's disgusting what the average human being will do to others to make a buck. Always remember the secondary hurts your fellow man for nothing other than more money. Another thing specifically with the bourbon itself is that the relative age of products has gone way down. The whiskey is getting too young, the old stock aged barrels have essentially dried up and that cannot be replenished overnight. However prices have trended up as overall age of the whiskey has trended down. This is not a good thing. It will take decades to restore that and that won't happen if the demand is constantly in the stratosphere. Even Buffalo Trace was considering dropping the age statement on Eagle Rare, thankfully they didn't and they have also invested a lot of money into expansion of production and storage. But their other products average age has trended down to some degree. This is also true of Knob Creek which used to have a large amount of 10+ year aged juice made available for single barrel selects. Four Roses as well. The bourbon dark ages of the 70s 80s and into the 90s had good and bad effects on bourbon. One major benefit was aged barrel stock. One major downside though it nearly was the death of bourbon for a lot of companies. I doubt we will see the dark ages again but we will likely see a major market contraction, there is just too much glut and junk on the market. It can't be sustained. So yes, I hope bourbon is doomed..."sort of". I just want distilleries to focus on production of their core products that are in high demand instead of all this special or limited release or constant new additions to brand lineups taking valuable aged juice away from producing their core product bottles! I'm not saying they shouldn't still try to innovate or create, but clearly there is demand for very "specific" products and not necessarily for "new" products. Just look at the dumpster fire of Traveler's whiskey. It's not even BT juice, it's sourced! I really hope BT does not start pushing new product on their name alone because I'm convinced they could bottle bilge water and make money off of it. Oh wait, that is what Traveler's whiskey is! It's priced way off, it should be a sub-$30 bottle at the very least but it would be more appropriate at sub-$20. Jameson Original is a better whiskey at almost half the price. One last thing. I mentioned above that Sazerac/Buffalo Trace has invested a lot of money into more production and storage facilities. They have been able to afford to do this with their products being sold at MSRP (remember, they don't see the money being made in the secondary market because it is not part of the three tier system and for the distributors/retailers that are price gouging they likely have not been making honest sales reports figures). How disgusting is our society? Because of the three tier system, all Buffalo Trace can do is try to outpace demand with significant over-supply but they can't do anything about being able to bypass grifting distributors/retailers or flippers and getting their product to as many individual people as possible. The gate-keeping is real and as I said before, the big money has entered bourbon and it won't be leaving except in the green. That's assuming of course that these people aren't bourbon drinkers, which if they are that means they are intentionally hoarding bourbon from others because they want it for themselves. Sorry for the rant. Your video on this topic is the fourth or fifth one I've commented on in recent weeks. Fred Minnick, Bourbon Forage Fishing, SLB Drinks and one or two others have done videos on this same topic. I've been able to vent a lot of steam with my hatred of these secondary vultures.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
I agree. I always say if you’ve tried something and love it and knowingly pay that price for a bottle, then that’s your choice. I just don’t like people being taken advantage of because they are uneducated on the topic. 🥃
@chrisdunning5481
4 ай бұрын
The bourbon boom makes me think of when I first got in to Harleys around 2002. There was an explosion of fat tired choppers on TV. Useless motorcycles IMO. 20 plus year later I am still a Harley guy even though they are no longer the epitome of cool. I think bourbon is calming down. We are starting to realize chasing bottles in no way guarantees a better pour. I use JDSBBP as an example. 4 years ago I would kill for a Stagg Jr. I still love them, but good old shelfer from JD is a serious rival without the $200 price tag. As usual love the video.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Man those JDSBBP bottles are absolutely amazing. Cheers! 🥃
@StevenScone
4 ай бұрын
That's exactly my thoughts. In Alabama all Weller, Buffalo trace, and Michters bottles are allocated. We don't get alot of the new bottles either like Red Wood empire, hard truth, Holladay and Sagamore.
@StevenScone
4 ай бұрын
You say it better than I can. Everyone's bottle is going to be different but my turn around was JD SIB BP was mine. Then I got woodford dbl oak then a Sagamore DO, New Riff SiB. I can go on about whiskey that is on the shelf that no one is chasing. Damn they are missing out.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Dang Alabama 😂 What has been your go to lately with having more limited options?
@StevenScone
4 ай бұрын
@tythebourbonguy If it's not here, I will drive 1.5 hours to Tennessee and get it. Then I have to evaluate it when I get home, to see if it's the drive lol. Rare Breed and Woodford DO local and Sagamore DO road trip.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Definitely solid options. Cheers! 🥃
@OrangeTuxRad
4 ай бұрын
AL has the standard Holladay Bib at the ABC
@mariojohnson4695
4 ай бұрын
Heck I love regular Buffalo Trace and I have one bottle left. I’m not drinking it until I find another bottle, but I’m having an incredibly hard time finding one.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
I just don’t understand the lack of availability on a flagship product. Hope you find that backup bottle! 🥃
@mariojohnson4695
4 ай бұрын
@@tythebourbonguy I know, if there is one BTAC product that should be readily available, it should be Buffalo Trace. By the way I’m from Milwaukee, we (The aBucks)play you guys (The Pacers)tonight.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Pacers all day! (Let’s not talk about game 1) 😂
@mariojohnson4695
4 ай бұрын
@@tythebourbonguyor game 2, eek!!
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Now I’m ready to talk. 😂
@deankruse4491
4 ай бұрын
Definitely nowhere close to dying out, at least not my area. Bourbon prices are as high as ever. 👎🏼
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
It’s here to stay. Although some smaller distilleries that aren’t able to make changes or keep up, might not make it much longer. Cheers 🥃
@lancelamoon6743
4 ай бұрын
You can’t find Wellers hardly or your Eagle Rare EH Taylor yes but its 119 for small batch. Now Benchmark hasn’t caught on apparently cause you can get that anywhere around me.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Same where I live. So I was shocked to hear some people can’t find Benchmark anymore. Plenty of great options out there though! Cheers and thanks for watching 🥃
@lancelamoon6743
4 ай бұрын
If I see it and its not ridiculous I will get it but Im done trying to find stuff. I ran across a Heaven Hill BIB finally its really good and my wife seen one the other day that I been wanting to try but its hard to get to around me the Henry McKenna havent got to try it yet.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
In my area I have seen way more HH BIB and HM10 recently. So hopefully they are able to keep up with demand a little better! 🥃
@lancelamoon6743
4 ай бұрын
Its funny though like Buffalo Trace it may be allocated at one store and you can have one bottle per customer then drive 10 miles down the road and its full of it and can buy as many as you want.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Crazy right? I’ve seen people come in and give a liquor store a hard time about Buffalo Trace but yet the CVS across the street has cases of them.
@silverpunk2427
4 ай бұрын
I know I'm frustrated with spending hundreds just to get in raffles or sitting outside for hours and still not walking away with anything good. It's annoying to watch reviews of something getting hyped up when I know I'll probably never get to try it myself.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
EXACTLY. Which is why for the most part I try to keep these reviews and lists to bottles that are a little more common. Cheers! 🥃
@johnj.baranski6553
4 ай бұрын
Change your mind set that "anything good" means the allocated stuff you can't get....there are good bottles on the shelf everyday. If you like the taste of something, it's "good".
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
For sure 💯🥃
@umami0247
4 ай бұрын
I don’t believe that the bourbon industry is going anywhere. The problem with this industry isn’t going to be fixed by anything we are doing. The issue is with new drinkers and FOMO. even with the 4 billion dollar upgrade to Buffalo trace it’ll be years before they get that product out at least 4-10 years. But new drinkers will continue to flood the market and buy what is Hot today at break neck speed trying to keep up. And unfortunately with new drinkers constantly coming into the market they will shape this industry for awhile.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
I agree with the FOMO. I also think it doesn’t help when content creators give top 10 lists and they are all allocated products. It gives the illusion that these are the only good products out there. Cheers! 🥃
@adamsexton7554
4 ай бұрын
Rare Breed bro, best bourbon you can buy off the shelf anytime, my jam
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
It’s a great one for sure and can hang with a lot of allocated products. 🥃
@dbspurge
4 ай бұрын
Another great video !
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Much appreciated! Cheers my friend! 🥃
@darrendavis4731
4 ай бұрын
The secondary market is annoying. Everyone wants to make a buck on the internet.
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Facts 🥃💯
@ryanmercer600
4 ай бұрын
Brother, it’s time to discover Single Malt Scotch… The Mountaintop
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
To be fair. Have an Uncle that used to own a liquor store who told me, it’s not that you don’t like Scotch, it’s that you haven’t found a Scotch you like. Then he had me try some and I found a few that I actually enjoyed. I’m ready to go down the rabbit hole. 😂 Cheers and thanks for watching! 🥃
@grapesodapopinski571
2 ай бұрын
So true. Bourbon profile is like 5 different shades of blue. Scotch is like the rainbow.
@tythebourbonguy
2 ай бұрын
So where do I start? Which one do I start exploring as a bourbon lover?
@grapesodapopinski571
2 ай бұрын
@@tythebourbonguy My opinion. I’d start at something like Glenfiddich 12. It has a light fruit flavor and easy to drink. Or even Red Breast 12, which is Irish, but similar to scotch and sherry finished.
@tythebourbonguy
2 ай бұрын
Oh I’m all about Redbreast. I have had a few Scotches and don’t mind them. But I need to explore more. Thanks for the suggestions! 🥃
@100puremustard5
4 ай бұрын
If you have 300+ bottles... what are you complaining about? You can obviously afford some mark-ups/secondary prices 😂😂😂 Also, it's not that you can't find "those" bottles, it's when you do they are (most of the time) more than secondary prices (if they're on the shelf)!
@tythebourbonguy
4 ай бұрын
Any issue I’ve ever had with it, it’s because liquor stores are taking advantage of consumers that don’t really know what it should be. Anybody that has 300+ I would assume would know and could make a decision that works best for them. 🥃
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