Daniel Greene i kind of agree...book 2 of stormlight archive is soo overhyped...mainly kaladin...the fights were good and ending too...but the charecters fell apart badly from the 1st book for me ( reading book 3 now..in about 5 chapters and i lov it...wayyy better than book 2)
@phantasmalemperor8887
5 жыл бұрын
When it comes to an author's legacy, only the test of time can truly be used to find out which are the greatest
@@arrakis7132 Edgedancer introduced a character in OB.
@BumLuck
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson can't be a goat. He is a human. Do your research Dan.
@Harldin
5 жыл бұрын
Bum Luck he could be a G.O.A.T. though.
@nikhiliyengar1510
5 жыл бұрын
He's a high functioning stormiopath.
@aidanbengford212
3 жыл бұрын
It was a delicious lie.
@seansmith7718
2 жыл бұрын
Since he just dropped 5 new books today. Are we sure he´s human?
@grandadmiralmanatee
2 жыл бұрын
@@seansmith7718 true that
@TLewisBro
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson is my favorite author at this point in my life
@TLewisBro
5 жыл бұрын
I'm also super hyped to see him at Dragoncon this fall!
@wisildur
5 жыл бұрын
Personally it's Steven Erikson.
@Mhidraum
5 жыл бұрын
Mine too. Is he objectively the best fantasy author EVER? Maybe not, but I absolutely LOVE his stories. I'm currently catching up on the books I've somehow missed (just finished Elantris).
@bilalbhuttiali1411
5 жыл бұрын
I remember being 12 too.
@GaneshPalraj1991
4 жыл бұрын
Mine too
@scruffolkstv1786
5 жыл бұрын
the way I see it we are watching a legend in the making
@car5522
5 жыл бұрын
Upstairs Pride SAME
@zzzMrgamerzzz
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I would say that we're gonna look back in 40 years and recognise him as somebody who pushed the genre to new heights.
@neriumsuitedher
5 жыл бұрын
Yup. And he's getting better and better.
@owltheherald4199
5 жыл бұрын
Upstairs Pride that is how I feel about him too. If he does stand the test of time it is a special thing we all got to experience. It is rare and should be thoroughly enjoyed.
@urorazbojnik5678
4 жыл бұрын
@@zzzMrgamerzzz I just hope hope hope he gets his work on screen an we get to enjoy another successful run of avengers, and he pulls Stan Lee like shots where he's a part of every movie....that would be so beautiful ^^
@krishnamohanpingali8933
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson is not the goat..until he completes Stormlight Archive.
@nLTwiGGy
5 жыл бұрын
...at which point he WILL be 😜
@krishnamohanpingali8933
5 жыл бұрын
@@nLTwiGGy Probably..:D..We're still 7 books off it..:P
@rokkstar64
5 жыл бұрын
This
@EE12345
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson is more likely to finish the 7 Stormlight books than Rothfuss is to finish his 1 KKC book, or GRRM finishes his 2 asoiaf books.
@basilumeh2458
5 жыл бұрын
@@EE12345 for real
@ballisticbread
5 жыл бұрын
The Way of Kings struck me in a way that no other single book has. No matter how the series ends, I think it’ll always be my favorite book ever.
@nunyabizz3357
5 жыл бұрын
3 books ago was my first reading of Oathbringer, and i gotta say i'm having trouble connecting with characters like i did with Dalinar/Shallan/Kal. they were just so fleshed out in their realization. right now i'm reading b3 of Gentlemen Bastards, and Locke (protagonist) just fails to be as vivid. he's not poorly written or anything, and the series is actually pretty great... but every time i pick that book up i'm slightly disappointed it's not a stormlight book. i think i'm spoiled now
@EE12345
5 жыл бұрын
@@nunyabizz3357 Every time I read a fantasy book now its disappointing because its not Stormlight. I had to switch genres for a while to get over it
@ballisticbread
5 жыл бұрын
Nunya Bizz you and me both duder lol
@aethelflaed6814
5 жыл бұрын
Nunya Bizz I discovered early on that if I binge-read Sanderson, there’s a period afterwards where anything else I read is dull and and faded by comparison. (I literally read Twilight right after Warbreaker because, well, I wasn’t going to enjoy anything I read at that point, so I might as well read it.) The “Sanderson Slump” isn’t as bad anymore - mainly because I’ve read all of them 2-3 times each - but at this point I’m not allowed to read more than two Sanderson books in a row in case it wrecks my overall reading count for the year. (The year I hit 52 books total, 28 were Sanderson. It included a few re-reads.)
@saundramonette4137
5 жыл бұрын
I agree. Mainly the way Kaladin and his story arc was portrayed in that book. The depression and his past was so beautifully executed.
@isaiahrobinson3762
5 жыл бұрын
Didn't love Mistborn, but I'm *LOVING* the Stormlight Archive. _But I will say this:_ He isn't my favorite author, but he is the author I look up to the most. He is talented, authentic, and (maybe most importantly) consistent. He has taken time out of his schedule to teach at BYU for several years, and he's posted his lectures on KZitem FOR FREE so that any aspiring author can learn from his experiences. I would love to write a book one day - I have no idea if I'll even sell one copy - but regardless, if I could have 1/10th of Brandon's humility and generosity, I will be proud of whatever I end up doing with my life.
@ChadGouldtheNerd
5 жыл бұрын
I've read many multi part epics, but a lot of times by the end of it I'm invested, so I continue reading, losing some of that original motivation. So far, with mistborn and stormlight my motivation progressively increased. It's just impressive how many times he's taken me for a ride. Great analysis BTW. Thanks for sharing!
@fernandogarcia3957
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with both of you. Mistborn and Stormlight can be very dark but Mr Sanderson kind of avoids becoming R Scott Bakker in tone (for in quality Sanderson is superior by a good measure) and even if sometimes there are "horny" situations in Stormlight Archive, he eludes them obviously. Those are two things IMO, that make Mr Sanderson a bit "bourgeois" and "shy". I´m really into positive view of life and when I read ASOIAF I couldn´t believe my eyes!! I was used to LOTR, Dragonlance, WOT, Belgariad, Memory Sorrow and Thorn, and yes, some Moorcock to even a tiny bit the scales, but after GRRM, Abercrombie, Malazan, and weird Scott Bakker among others, I am more into (grim) dark... As you said, I look up to him the most, he does what every secondary world creator had wished....
@Jrdn357
5 жыл бұрын
I agree. And I agree with Daniel. I still think that Robert Jordan or maybe George R.R Martin is the G.O.A.T but Brandon definitely could be when he finishes Stormlight! I am also trying to write a book. I'm about a quarter through it. I'm calling it "A Flicker In Darkness" and I'm 11 years old and very proud of myself because I can write as well as men in their forties! Probably because I first read the Wheel of Time when I was eight, and haven't stopped there!
@phoebejay1710
5 жыл бұрын
As well as the KZitem videos of the lectures, Brandon also hosts a fantastic podcast about writing with Dan Wells, Howard Taylor and Mary-Robinette Kowal! It's called 'Writing Excuses' and I highly recommend it!
@isaiahrobinson3762
5 жыл бұрын
@@phoebejay1710 Thanks for the heads up! I'll definitely have to check it out!
@mathewstormblessed4706
5 жыл бұрын
I have never read an author who consistently writes this good. I am constantly amazed by the depth of his characters. So for me, Brandon Sanderson is the GOMT(Greatest Of My Time).
@TitasReal
5 жыл бұрын
@Yay Art for me Brandon Sanderson is the better version of robert jordan. And Robert jordan is already epic.
@i_dont_know_who_i_am69
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Brandon is my favorite author of all time, but to me, his characters are probably the one thing that he can improve the most, they're certainly not bad, but they just kinda pale in comparison compared to other great fantasy writers.
@mathewstormblessed4706
5 жыл бұрын
@@i_dont_know_who_i_am69 I disagree, Brandon's characters are the best I have ever seen. Although, I may have not read as much as you. Have you read Stormlight Archive? Kaladin is my favorite.
@TomorrowWeLive
5 жыл бұрын
Def my favourite living author
@nickd5158
5 жыл бұрын
GomT depends on your age. I'm 40 so for me it was Ray Bradbury. Sanderson has unfinished works that will help decide this debate. Stormlight could go to crap.
@infernvsnecrohag
5 жыл бұрын
I think it depends where you're coming from. From a worldbuilding, hard magic system, or plotting standpoint, he's one of the greatest I've experienced. As far as prose and the actual craft of writing, he's pretty average. So if someone really values finely honed prose, or they focus on extremely deep characters , of course they're going to think Sanderson is overhyped. If you like your hard magic and "Holy shit" plots though, he can't really be hyped enough.
@derekdurst9216
5 жыл бұрын
His characters are better than average imo. I agree with the prose part, but not the characters part.
@JungLarri
5 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this comment 👍
@JungLarri
5 жыл бұрын
@@derekdurst9216 His characters have depth but the way he told their story sometimes seems clumsy to me. Compare to lit genre, his character development is average, but of crouse not bad at all.
@infernvsnecrohag
5 жыл бұрын
@@derekdurst9216 I generally agree that they're better than average, although he isn't GOAT at characters is what I meant. If someone's main focus is character writing, then they may end up thinking Sanderson is overrated in general because they are focusing on something he is simply better than average and not AMAZING at.
@ZoioGame
5 жыл бұрын
i hate those plots of him
@tnayeen.ashghatank
5 жыл бұрын
Friend of mine nicknamed me Brandon Stan-derson in her phone so my stance is clear 😂
@joaofarias9986
5 жыл бұрын
If the Cosmere ends well, it will be the greatest fantasy Project ever made
@thriveintegratedrehabilita8580
4 жыл бұрын
100% true.
@thornorium8983
4 жыл бұрын
If you think the Cosmere is big, try looking up Arcadum, hes a streamer/youtuber professional DM his world is literally living and breaking with like a 100 players under a team of DMs to handle everything.
@muchacamara
3 жыл бұрын
Elantris sucks. So, no.
@oscarchavezavellan2738
3 жыл бұрын
@@muchacamara Becuase ONE book wasn't good (at least for you) doesn't mean a project with over 20 books on the work is bad, wtf dude?
@muchacamara
3 жыл бұрын
@@oscarchavezavellan2738 Elantris was terrible. I didn't say all his books suck, but what I have read so far has been 2 1/2 to 3 stars. If I write a medievil fantasy book that is gonna include grey aliens, but the dialogs sucks, the characters are annoying, they gather info in a dance, etc, you cannot say is the greatest book ever. That it's a book that is gonna change the fantasy genre.
@paperbackjake963
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. I think the biggest factor in him becoming the one of the greatest is seeing how he wraps up his major series (Stormlight and Mistborn). While I have no doubt that he will pull it off in a great way, if he were to fumble the endings it would severely damage his prestige as an author.
@lppunto
5 жыл бұрын
True, though we have seen that he certainly CAN end a series with Wheel of Time. I would be shocked if he does anything less than dramatically improve with his own stories.
@paperbackjake963
5 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Cummings I totally agree with you.
@Stuugie.
4 жыл бұрын
I just have to say even though SA and Mistborn are his biggest series, his Cosmere outline includes a couple other potentially big series. I remember him talking about doing a 3 book pre-history series called Dragonsteel when Cosmere is more fleshed out. There's also Aether of the Night, another large Cosmere series he apparently wants to create. Here's more info if you're interested: www.tor.com/2019/12/20/state-of-the-sanderson-2019/
@hrothgarnogar
2 жыл бұрын
With Brandon being as big of an outliner as he his, I doubt he'll fumble! He doesn't come up with the overarching story on the fly. He comes up with it from start to finish first, THEN begins writing. He's totally got this!
@fenrirzen
5 жыл бұрын
Time traveller here... 2039, a little chill outside, the nuclear war wasn't that bad... but... YES, Brandon Sanderson is the G.O.A.T.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Still laughing.... great comment mate!
@williamegan6756
3 жыл бұрын
I think even discussing this is presumptuous and a little myopic. He may seem that way to his devoted followers right now, but will he have the fan base and the longevity of Tolkien, of Rowling, of Jordan? Of George RRMartin? And I say this as a huge fan myself of his works. It will not be the readers of this or the next few generations to decide.
@aylix2137
3 жыл бұрын
@@williamegan6756 regarding your words on longevity and fan bases Tolkien? Proven Jordan? On a smaller scale, but he looks to be lasting Martin? His stuff is already positioning to take the coveted seat next to LotR. but Rowling? Idk man, i feel like HPs relevance just fades with each passing year, especially given her antics online.
@williamegan6756
3 жыл бұрын
Aylix Respectfully, I couldn’t disagree more. If anyone of them is at risk, it’s George RR Martin. Thrones’ ending was just awful to the vast majority of fans (in my entire circle of friends, everyone thinks it was a train wreck). And with each passing year that Martin doesn’t publish Winds of Winter more fans become disaffected and lose interest. No one now expects he will ever finish it. I still love his books, but the frustration is starting to set in for me. Harry Potter continues to be phenomenally popular, and every year millions more young kids read and fall in love with Rowling’s books. As for her ‘antics’ online - well, she has given her opinion and has had the courage to stand by it. Don’t let the outcry of the excessively ‘woke’, whose voices are far larger than their actual numbers, make you think that she is done. (God, how I hate cancel culture and all those twitter hounds with their virtue signalling. ) With the vast majority of kids Rowling - and Harry Potter - remain as well-loved as ever. As for Jordan, I’m probably not as objective. I f****ng love the Wheel of Time, and have an emotional tie to those books that stretch back all the way to my time in college. In the late nineties and early 2000’s, Jordan’s popularity among millions of readers easily eclipsed all of his contemporaries, including Martin. That only started to change when the HBO series brought Thrones to a much wider audience. And let’s see how well Wheel of Time’s Amazon show turns out - I personally have high hopes for it!
@aylix2137
3 жыл бұрын
@@williamegan6756 no need to seem apologetic, i like talking about stuff like this. Your points are all valid, but let me change the angle a bit and put it this way: of the four mentioned, JK is far and away the least impressive writer (no shame of that in such company) and i feel that the educated minority of fantasy such as yourself and those who watch this daniel fellow's channel will always have such names as Martin and Jordan far closer to the tip of your tongue than Rowling. She can, imo, be credited with the urban fantasy subgenre (if that is wrong please let me know, I feel like it shouldn't be the case), but in terms of literary depth, prose, worldbuilding, and everything else that makes good fantasy, she will always be less relevant than the bigger names. Martin's sluggish pace is less a bane to his existing legacy than it is the completion of it, that so many fans want to see, but i dont think it tarnishes what he has already accomplished, and the show's failings are completely separate from his legacy. the fact that it started going to pot the moment they ran out of his story is more a testament to his skill than anything.
@DwarfsRBest
5 жыл бұрын
LeGuin is still the GOAT in my book (for Fantasy and SciFi.) I always get chills whenever I just think about her stories.
@andrewreising4541
5 жыл бұрын
I think that it is just completely impossible to say that someone is the GOAT Fantasy Author. There are too many factors, and too many ways of looking at it. That being said, I think that Brandon Sanderson is in the process of earning his place in the speculative fiction pantheon, if you will. The Cosmere as a whole, and the two tentpoles of the Cosmere specifically (Mistborn and Stormlight) will be what determine if he earns himself that place. But he is not the only working author who will end up remembered as one of the greats. If GRRM successfully lands the behemoth that is ASoIaF, he will be in the pantheon, as well. And two currently working authors who, in my opinion, have secured their place in the pantheon already are Stephen King and Neil Gaiman.
@titaniumtomato7247
5 жыл бұрын
I guess its not about who the GOAT is, all that matters is your own personal GOAT.
@andrewreising4541
5 жыл бұрын
@Gregory Wendel, right now, I would recommend Good Omens, since the miniseries just came out. It is a book he collaborated on with Terry Pratchett. One of my personal favorites of his is The Graveyard Book, but there are also Neverwhere, Startdust, Coraline, and The Ocean at the End of the Lane, as well as many short stories (my favorite being Snow, Glass, Apples). And if you like graphic novels/comic books, his Sandman series is legendary.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Really really good reasoned comment
@austinwallace5993
5 жыл бұрын
So I was never a book reader. Im dyslexic and grew up hating reading because I just was so awful at it However I was a writer, mainly for my DnD campaign. It was beyond basic, something along the lines of "hey! 12 evil wizards will destroy this world by merging the 3 material planes" It sucked. I turned to online forums for cool posts, rules, ideas. I found a mistborn based rule set. It was an amazing idea and I loved it. Got an audible book version of mistborn and read very consistently since then. So this man made me enjoy books, he will always have a special place in my heart
@christopheryoder8292
5 жыл бұрын
While I love Sanderson, I don't see his work having the philosophical undercurrent of someone like Tolkien. Thus, I doubt he will be the GOAT but he has already, imo, carved out a place in the upper echelon of the fantasy pantheon.
@willrock8194
2 жыл бұрын
He is very popular and consistent, but I do not think Sanderson challenges readers or expands fantasy to the same degree Tolkien did. Mistborn 1 had a gimmicky magic system that a lot of people seemed to like, but no new races like Tolkien, or inventive conflicts
@corbanbausch9049
2 жыл бұрын
@@willrock8194 The Koloss and Kandra would like to have a word...
@Floar
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson is the reason why I started reading Wheel of Time and ended subbing here
@kravenite
5 жыл бұрын
Same
@groceryliszt3346
5 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell, the complaints about Brandon Sanderson boil down to 2 main things: 1. His writing isn’t as nuanced or subtle as other writers 2. His characters/dialogue are unrealistic I can see where these complaints come from, though they don’t bother me personally, and I don’t agree with the second one. The way I see it, people read Brandon Sanderson for his world building and his storytelling more than his writing style. His worlds are incredibly original and his plotting is extremely sound, especially his his endings, which often blow me away. If in your opinion his weaknesses as a writer outweigh his strengths, maybe he’s not the writer for you. But a lot of people love him because he’s consistently pumping out good stories, and the scope of what he’s trying to accomplish is beyond that of any other author out there right now. I wouldn’t say he’s overhyped, just that (like any author) he’s not for everyone.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Wow well said. Love this comment.
@davidbowles7281
3 жыл бұрын
Jordan failed at both of these pretty hard, too.
@celloafterdark4173
5 жыл бұрын
I love Brandon Sanderson. His writing is so cinematic and his books are my current favorite. But a big part of that for me is his consistency. I don’t have to be afraid of him not finishing things. Also doesn’t hurt he has a lot of female protagonists :)
@errtu123
5 жыл бұрын
The only "flaw" (and it is to an extent a personal preference) in B. Sanderson's books is that his writing style is rather... plain. His characters, magic systems, worldbuilding and storylines are outstanding, he is also very easy to read. But I personally wish he could write a little bit more flowery. Not flowery for the sake of flowery, but a bit less plain writing style would be appreciated
@d3vastat0r89
5 жыл бұрын
Seeing someone who's probably half Sanderson's age call him a "youngshot" is a little bit jarring.
@RasheedKhan-bm8fm
5 жыл бұрын
Youngshot meant in comparison to the older dudes, I guess
@IgnorancEnArrogance
5 жыл бұрын
We are just so used to most fantasy authors being fat grandfathers with footlong beards I guess.
@karlfakeplastictea3539
5 жыл бұрын
He is speaking in terms of fantasy and fantasy writing. He is young.
@TeamSilver137
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy Brandon Sanderson, but I feel he's a bit overhyped. I roll my eyes at a lot of what he writes, but I do think that his world building is where a lot of his charm lies, which I believe is what keeps people coming back for more. It's like Star Wars. It's not amazing, but it's fun to watch and you love being in that world.
@zestycrouton
4 жыл бұрын
Ah... I feel like I'm the odd-one-out among many of today's fantasy fans, but I'm not really a fan of Sanderson. I'm super grateful for him finishing WoT, but I'm always going to be disappointed in the complete bastardization of Mat's character and the odd way certain 'humorous quips' were given to some of the characters. (Elayne gets one in one of the last books that is just so utterly jarring, it rips me out of the story every time). I had a co-worker who was going on about how good one of his newer books was, and I thought, 'eh, maybe he just struggled to adopt Jordan's writing style (which, to be fair, would be insanely difficult to do for any writer) and I should give one of his own books a chance', and I picked up the original Mistborn Trilogy and gave them a read. And I did not like them. The magic system, which is what he seems to be famous for, was definitely interesting... but his prose was pretty generic, his characters almost unanimously uninteresting (I liked only 2 of the characters; one died in the first book, and the other didn't become interesting until the last), and I can't stand the way that nothing seems to happen for 80% of the story and then all of the progression is shoved into the last chunk of the book, every single time. (I've read that fans have coined this something like the 'Sanderson Avalanche'? I hate it.) Also, I hate that prince love interest character. Holy wow. He ruined almost every scene he was in. I've heard some people say that he's improved a lot since those earlier writing days, and there's still a part of me that is curious about the Stormlight Archives... but I just don't think I'm willing to shell out the money to buy a book from an author who I already don't like. And I'm too lazy to go to the library.
@GioGio14412
3 жыл бұрын
Well you can always do some piracy if you plan to buy it after checking if it is of your interest
@josephhirning2642
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's fair. Personally I never liked the Wot. I like Sanderson, but he is far from the Goat in my opinion. That title belongs to Tolkien or Martin.
@Ulmo90
5 жыл бұрын
I finished the Wheel of Time this spring and wanted to continue with Brandon after being introduced to him through WoT, I haven't been disappointed yet
@gauchesymbiote1039
5 жыл бұрын
Doing the exact same thing. I just finished WoT. I just ordered the first 3 books in the Mistborn series. I can't wait to start.
@matthewwoolley4131
5 жыл бұрын
While Sanderson is definitely my current favorite author, he does kind of fall into the category of "super high hype" turning into "super high expectations," and sometimes people put him on such a high pedestal that the expectations for him and his writing become impossibly unachievable. From how some people praise him, others feel like they should ascend to Nirvana after finishing one book of the Stormlight Archive. And that's just not the case. They are incredible books, but like every book in existence, imperfect. Not everyone will like them the same. I actually have a few good friends who are writing buddies of mine, who have absolutely sworn off reading any Sanderson, purely because of the hype. They say that they are sick of hearing everyone praise him, and don't care to read any of his stuff (which I personally think is a bit unfair, but to each their own). This happens in any form of media though, for anything that gets hyped to no end. People are going to dislike it purely because it is hyped. But yeah, time will be the final judge of this, and it won't be for a long while before we see the branches of Sanderson's influence. I still love the heck out of his books though, and definitely think he is at least among the best currently writing.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Really interesting and balanced comment. I do worry about that (As I am particularly partial to his writing and find it excellent). I often recommend him and just say I really like this guy try this and see what you think. Then in myself I am like they are going to LOVE IT! Then... oh please like it please like it.... yet I know that kind of fan behaviour is murder to someone giving the book a fair try and not being disappointed for no reason. I am gutted sometimes to read comments like 'his characters are shallow' or 'he can't write women'. Often when I dig into those comments with those who make them what they meant was he is not among what they would consider the best in those areas and that is what they expected. 'I can think of 5 people who do it better'.... and..... that's fine. That doesn't mean they were bad or weaknesses just that there are others even better. Anyway I rambled but I really liked how you pointed out that the hype itself can hurt as people aim to dislike what is liked.
@BackAlleyTANGO
5 жыл бұрын
He's definitely one of my personal favorites, no doubt about that. I don't think he's overhyped - unless people are claiming that his writing is flawless (which it ain't). :) But right now he's the best thing that's happened to the fantasy genre in a loooong time, IMHO.
@j0nhurry459
5 жыл бұрын
I don’t know man. R/fantasy seems to idolize him.
@apheliotropic
5 жыл бұрын
I think Brandon Sanderson is changing the game, and raising the bar for what fantasy can be. In my opinion his work will have a great influence that we will see a lot of in the future.
@goncaloferreira6429
5 жыл бұрын
unlike great authors from the past he influences people(readers, future writers) with more than just his books, all thanks to his teaching and podcast.
@Darkstar_Dayne
Жыл бұрын
He's actually degrading the genre by his lame and so called fast writing
@Kaivijs
5 жыл бұрын
I love TSOIAF more, but there is something to be said about consistently being able to write that well that much.
@Mrbluefire95
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's fair to compare Dark Fantasy with High Fantasy. Their tropes can be sheer opposites at times.
@Kaivijs
5 жыл бұрын
@@Mrbluefire95 It was more about the writing style and quality not tropes, plot or charachters. Also I love both authors and was more poking fun at GRRM for not finishing his series.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
There really really is!
@christianbjorck816
5 жыл бұрын
Tolkien and CS Lewis can never be topped. Tolkien never tried to write for his era, it’s more akin to old mythology and heroic writing of the arthurian style - that is why it’s more timeless. Lewis is more to traditional fairytales with western christianic ideas, also timeless.
@josephhirning2642
Жыл бұрын
GRRM to me is the heir the fantasy throne. Tolkien is still the King though.
@puffpride8344
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly... for me, it doesn't matter how good your magic systems are, how great your characters are, how fantastic your worldbuilding is - if your prose reads like a ten year old wrote it, I can't get into it. I'd never say he doesn't have talent though because he obviously does. Just not in the right areas for me.
@KentStJohn-vn6bq
5 жыл бұрын
Dune was what really got me into sci-fi/fantasy. Then I read some WOT. Then BAM. Stormlight comes along. It's like those two worlds colliding and it's awesome.
@Xarfax321
3 жыл бұрын
WOT? BAM? World Of Tires? Books About Motors? Way of Tea? Bam-A-Malam?
@madisonknott8567
5 жыл бұрын
I like Brandon Sanderson’s book a lot, that being said, there isn’t really a point to debating who is the best author of all time. For one, who gets to decide that? Based off of what criteria? And just because someone’s work is influential, doesn’t mean it’s the best. Also, all art is inspired by other art. People can talk about who their favorite artist is, but to say one artist is the greatest of all time is to deny the context/history of when/where the art is existing.
@missing1102
3 жыл бұрын
Robert Jordan is where fantasy became tedious and Sanderson is worse. I don't hear Sanderson's characters and cannot lose myself in his stories. What I experience when I read Sanderson is a series of concepts, poor prose, ridiculous dialogue, cardboard characters who Sanderson thinks he brings to life by playing with tropes but it's all so see thru and utterly tedious. Yes, I think Sanderson is a poor writer and eventually his fans will grow out his books. Also, his Mormonism is everywhere in his writing. I don't have the time to cite but I know other threads where numerous Mormon ideas are pointed out.
@jakehopkins6989
3 жыл бұрын
Do you not think Kaladin is an extremely interesting, unique character?
@Randomtask68
5 жыл бұрын
I've only completed Mistborn from Sanderson. It's...alright. He's great at ending with knockout twists, but a lot of the story and characterisations felt contrived to me. Sanderson also taught me that I do not like hard magic systems. The overly explained action sequences with all the pushing and pulling really didnt do it for me. I've read a couple hundred pages of the first Way of Kings book, never read anymore. More power to the people who love him.
@willrock8194
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I thought the same. Pushing and pulling felt too much like a video game, and for it's lack of spectacle required too much detail. I thought I would like hard magic systems, but I think mystery is a more valuable trait than well defined rules.
@vallano8970
10 ай бұрын
This is absurdly late but I don’t think you should write of hard magic systems entirely just because a single hard magic system lol. That would be like disliking a single soft magic system then thinking all soft magic systems are bad. As someone that loved the stormlight archive and read mistborn after, I actually kinda agree. I found Allomancy to be a tad overly wordy, especially in fight scenes. And even hearing the description of vin and Kelsier moving through luthadel using steel pushing and pulling became a bit tedious.
@devonwilliams9576
5 жыл бұрын
I agree, and while he is for sure my favorite of all time, I think time and distance are required to really tell. That said, I think we're witnessing history here
@malcolmlamb2191
3 жыл бұрын
Brandon's ideas are top notch, and I enjoy his books, but I've yet to finish a book by him that I didn't think would have been better if he'd just outlined everything and then let someone else write it for him.
@psal8715
5 жыл бұрын
Love Mistborn, Love the Stormlight Archive. He is one of my favorite writers... I had no clue he was super popular.
@josephtomassi1295
5 жыл бұрын
I view Brandon as the MacDonalds of modern fantasy. Consistently enjoyable stories though nothing too stimulating.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
At least you are enjoying yourself but I am saddened that you don't find the character dives into overcoming internal mental health challenges whilst set against the backdrop of world ending problems stimulating. I know it's a taste thing but I can think about this stuff for hours and the theory crafting that it leads to is excellent. I also find this allows me to apply a lot of his characters plots and even quiotes to real life motivational speaking and demonstrable examples to assist with communicating ideas. It's also a shame you don't find the concept of the Cosmere stimulating. Rarly I have I been so engrossed with an idea that ranges across multiple books. (The Dark Tower was close for me). The simple idea of all his series taking place in the smae universe set against the backdrop of the 3 realities physical cognative and spiritual and how that can be used to transport someone literally from one physical place to another and then how that can be crossed to the concept of literary fiction doing that for us in the real world I feel is really interesting and intriguing. I am not being sarcastic I am just saying how I have felt. Can I genuinely ask what is your taste (As to really great stimulating reads)? Are you a hard sci-fi person thinking about books like the 'three body problem' etc, or is it more like books that are very focused on real life events and people that you find bring that kind of interest? Or is it just a different kind of fantasy maybe something like Rothfus where its about the personal exploration of one man, his journey and his myth that really stokes your imagination? I agree by the way that one of Brandon's best traits is he is popularist: you know it is going to be easy to access, reliably good story, entertaining throughout and always have new stuff available. I do not think you were being insulting when you compared him to one of the most successful food businesses of all time.
@christopherneedham9584
3 жыл бұрын
If you consider McDonald's to be enjoyable, there are other issues that need to be addressed.
@josephtomassi1295
3 жыл бұрын
@@Trisjack20 I'm more into historical fiction, political intrigue and character conflict but I've got a good grasp of fantasy. I mean, I did enjoy Mistborn, I felt the tight fast paced narrative really worked to Sanderson's strength - focusing on the plot and characters over his writing. However, The Way of Kings was awful in my opinion. Every chapter felt longer than it needed to be, I think I counted four prologues, preludes and false starts before the actual story began and not the terrible pace 600 pages before anything of importance actually happens.
@josephtomassi1295
3 жыл бұрын
@@christopherneedham9584 I mean like...yeah. Who doesn't like Macdonlds?
@Trisjack20
3 жыл бұрын
@@josephtomassi1295 Thanks for the thoughtful reply. He definitely broke every writing rule with TWOK. It just shows how much peoples mileage may vary because as with some others I absolutely fell in love with it and partially because it caters to a specific enjoyment I have of those wider set up. I really loved that feel of suddenly seeing something through the ye of someone we will never see again and the juxtaposition of view points etc. However, your comments are clearly well thoughts through and valid. I am often someone who wants things to be longer not shorter, but I am a better world builder than story writer and it sounds like you have a high priority on good plotting and pacing for your enjoyment. Once again thanks for the personal insight into your POV.
@taragreco1584
5 жыл бұрын
I just finished The Final Empire and it was fine. I couldn’t say anything negative about it but I certainly didn’t love it. I understand why people love it, and I understand why people hate it. I’ll just always be impressed with how fast he puts books out into the world.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Fair enough. I always like a reasoned comment even when I disagree with it. The ones I dislike are the ones that say 'I didn't like this book so this author (Who has written 20 books) is rubbish'. He is a machine when it comes to the delivery of books and his constant engagement with the community while writing.
@matthewpettipas8233
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I feel like calling one author the greatest of all time (of any genre), kinda silly. The reason for that is because, even if a writer is immensely popular (which Sanderson clearly is, no question), there's always going to be people who dislike their work and have their own GOAT. Therefore I think it's more reasonable to say that he will be the GOAT for a vast majority of people, rather than just saying flat out he's the greatest fantasy of all time, something I feel no one will ever be able to claim. Personally, Terry Brooks is my GOAT. I love his Shannara series and it's prequels. Now, other people think Brooks sucks lol, and that's perfectly fine. Reading is subjective, everyone will have different tastes and opinions, and I think that's awesome.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Something like GOMT - Greatest of My Time. Someone else used it above. :)
@sirdelrio
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, he is. And people like you are to blame.
@Logiwonk
4 жыл бұрын
Sanderson is a great craftsman who deserves his success based on the books of his I have read (some stormlight archives mostly). My tastes run a little more towards Ursula K LeGuin. I think he is an excellent teacher of writing as well.
@Revjonbeadle
5 жыл бұрын
Daniel, I think you’re dead wrong about Narnia and it’s themes you claim that “we have seen a million times before.” I don’t think what CS Lewis did was easy. It was remarkable to take this religious theme and garner the interest of so many through an imaginative supposal. I would encourage you to rethink your criticism of Lewis, in this regard.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Also not a fair comparison to Tolkien on the basis of a college class. Of course a college class is going to be more interesting in a linguistic, book written for adults than a series aimed primarily a a children age group. Narnia's themes are deep and though other have used the theme of self sacrifice before very few have done it so memorably and powerfully as Lewis did. Also the themes of each of the books are different and totally capable of being enjoyed just as portal world stories or as moral commentary on the human condition. For its analysis of the power of a child's imagineation/faith compared to the cynisicm of adulthood responated with me very strongly. Though perhaps not studied in college it is still widely read and enjoyed and is still impacting a new generation today partially because there is so little like it :) and partically becasue he did what he did so well. Also it should be noted there are college courses on C S Lewis and his philosophy,
@whenthedustfallsaway
3 жыл бұрын
I love the Chronicles of Narnia. Its unfortunate that people have rarely even heard of anything other than The Lion, the witch, and the Wardrobe. The Silver Chair is one of my favorites of the series.
@Kroue
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon sanderson is HYPED??!! Since when! Omg im so happy
@beatrice5043
5 жыл бұрын
Kind of. I'm not the biggest fan of his work, but I can see their qualities and why people love them. Maybe his books are not 100% to my taste, but imo they do have flaws, too. It gets tiresome when literally everybody in the fantasy community loves his books and you're that one weirdo who doesn't. I've seen people say that Sanderson is just sooo much better than every other author and that led to me being disappointed. I'm not sure if overhyped is even the right word, because, as I said I don't think his books are bad, it's just that the hype can get annying imo. He might be the GOAT for a lot of people some day (or he maybe already is) but not for me. And that's fine, how boring would the world be if everybody had the same taste :)
@jessi4894
5 жыл бұрын
I think it should be ok to not like something, as long as you have a well reasoned position and aren't being hostile about it. Every time I say Brandon's work has major flaws in it, or he didn't do that well with ending WoT, or my personal favorite: "Scott Lynch writes funny characters and situations, but cannot plot to save his life," I get the internet equivalent of rocks thrown at my head.
@beatrice5043
5 жыл бұрын
@@jessi4894 Yes, completely agree! I've seen readers calling others stupid for liking a series they think is bad and that's not ok! Imo it's great that so many people are enjoying Sanderson's work and are having a great time reading his books, I wish I could too, believe me. I don't have an issue with others thinking my favorite books are bad but some people on the internet apparently just can't accept different opinions...
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Well put. All books have flaws so that's not something that worries me too much personally. I agree with what you say about taste having a lot to do with it. He is hyped and I think that while that certainly helps him sell books (Something I am very grateful for as it means I get more of them) it also hurts him critically because people go into his books having been told he is the best thing ever and when he is 'only' excellent feel they have been cheated. I am a fully lost Brandon fan but when I recommend his books I try to just say, 'Hey try this guy I like his stuff and it's quite different.' Then inside I am like 'I bet they will love it! No one writes books as great as these!!!!' I have realised I have a taste and he has just hit it full swing and by trying not to overhype him I think I have ended up doing him a favour in my reading circles. I love you reasoned and balanced choice of words and your lack of vehemence, there is too much of that in discussions online.
@Phoboskomboa
5 жыл бұрын
I had a lukewarm reaction to most of wheel of time. When Sanderson took over, I was like "I'm barely enjoying this series. I hope the new guy doesn't make it any worse." It was night and day. Suddenly the series got GOOD. After that, I read everything he'd written. I've read most of the Cosmere stuff twice! Sanderson is my all time favorite author. It's not hype. I didn't even follow news or channels on novels until I got into Sanderson's work. That was my completely unbiased reaction having heard no one else's opinion on the matter.
@Severian1
5 жыл бұрын
Things like these are always subjective. Personally he's good but he's not great. He has potential as you say for greatness. But I can never see him beating Steven Erikson. Malazan is just huge and deep and scarring and true and humorous and more. Again, just my opinion.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
I hear you. Thanks for being part of the conversation. I feel like you do just in reverse. I can appreciate what Erikson is doing but I just don't enjoy what he writes. He is a great writer and his world building capacity is stunning but his books just wander too much for me, too many characters I just do not like or care about. I acknolwedge this is NOT because of his weaknesses as a writer (The guy is amazing) it's just I do not like most of the people he portrays and some of his stuff is just so gritty and scaring I do not want to revisit it. Someone like Brandon who does have some characters that though flawed are pretty clearly good poeple (Like stright up good people) are more what I like to read about and identify with. so I totally agree no such thing as a GOAT in a subjective, creative field. I would for example say Erikson is one of the greatest writers of our time, but I would rank Brandon's writing a clear level above in maintaining my attention, pulling me into his viewpoint characters and his clarity of worldbuilding. Malazan's is really deep but much of what is happening and why and how is unclear. So some of the deaths and the movement towards the overall plot just left me almost unwilling to finish. Brandon books I feel I can barely put down even on rereads. I only got that feeling with Memories of Ice and Deadhouse Gates. Anyway I will stop talking. Thanks for your insightful comment and bringing up Erikson such an interesting writer he deserves to be in the coversation.
@oliviaracanelli558
4 жыл бұрын
I love Brandon Sanderson’s lectures. I think he is an amazing teacher. However, his writing approach is too organized and cookie cutter. He’s overall goal is to write a satisfying narrative. While that is important, I think he limits himself narratively. He won’t take as many risks as other authors because he wants the reader to be satisfied rather than socked. I feel that if he were to relax on the action and magic and focus more on description and character development he would be a goat. But for now he is a great writer, creating great stories to pander to his readers.
@garbledsand-which2321
3 жыл бұрын
Well said. As a writer myself, I will take notes on what you said here.
@deadlyk12538
5 жыл бұрын
All these Brandon Sanderson videos are killing me 😂 I’ve just finished the second book in The First Law series and I’m just starting The Name of the Wind. The first stormlight book is sitting on my shelf to be next but with all the hype I really want to read it. Hoping I won’t be disappointed!
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Resist the hype and just read it for what it is when you get to it. You will enjoy it a lot moe that way. First Law is great as is Name of the Wind so don't rush them. Enjoy all these serie for what they are. You live in a golden age for fantasy.
@halliehurst4847
5 жыл бұрын
I think part of the reason he’s so hyped (possibly overhyped) is there’s not a lot of big fantasy authors currently writing who are well known and are being widely read. And those that are don’t exactly have a lot of goodwill aimed at them at the moment... Brandon Sanderson on the other hand is a consistent and prolific writer. Yes, he is a very good author and I personally love many of his books but we’ve gotta admit a lot of his popularity comes from him being, well, popular. Hopefully in twenty years from now his writing will stand on its own and it can be judged a bit more fairly.
@AS-rh7mg
4 жыл бұрын
Martin has destroyed his own legacy, unfortunately.
@GaneshPalraj1991
4 жыл бұрын
His popularity comes from being a good author.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
I like your comment. iwanted to add though that one of the reasons he is popular (Apart from his authorial skills) are his interpersonal skills and business management. He is a product and he sells that product extremely well. Never have I seen any author, in any field (I include fiction and non-fiction) be so transparent about their process and deadlines. He is amazingly prolific which makes him easy to get into and for hype to build. When you are getting a new book at least once (And often more than once) a year, when he is constantly on Reddit etc doing AMAs, when he is doing constant tours signings and there is always another new thing on the horison while all his old properties are still getting discovered by new blood... I mean no wonder the popularity. Then with that the extreme hype. I really mean it. If he is overhyped I think it is primarily because he does the business /social interaction side of being an author SO WELL.
@juliand6317
5 жыл бұрын
After coming off WoT into the Cosmere I see one major thing that Sanderson excels at (apart from what Daniel said). Sanderson has an amazing grasp on PACING. Very few of his books struggle with dragging story archs, even his biggest novels. Time will tell with the storm light series whether he can keep this up I guess.
@Military-gradenutella3068
2 жыл бұрын
Sanderson’s great if you’re an inexperienced fantasy reader, a big fan of comic book superhero plots, or someone that thinks the fantasy genre should, first and foremost, be easily statable into Dungeons & Dragons. Sanderson is the Coca-Cola of fantasy; it’s popular and fun, but sparse on real value, gets boring fast, and attracts pompous, critical gadflies like me.
@rammiine
5 жыл бұрын
Here's my thing. I absolutely LOVE his worldbuilding. He is so fantastic at it and it's something I have not really seen or hardly seen in the genre for a very long time. However, I feel he lacks very much in his actual writing and with his characters. Too many times do I feel like he's explaining things to me constantly rather than expressing it through words. Constantly characters feelings and actions are just explained away right off of the bat, as if I wouldn't be able to piece things together on my own I needed someone to tell me. He has really great themes in his books as well as character archs, however, I do feel his writing style gets in the way of actually making these journeys...great. Or stand out for that matter. Many times I see people saying that his writing is easy to get in to and let's them dive into the story easier I believe, for not it completely takes me out. It makes me feel aware that I'm simply reading this stuff that is happening rather than "transporting" me into this world and experiencing it with these characters. Now, of course most of these are my personal opinions (I would argue, however, his prose is lacking is not) they are issues that stop me from ever saying any of his books as they stand right now are "classics" or THE best of the Fantasy genre right now. This is not saying he isn't a good author or that I don't like his work. I just feel this are some glaring issues so many fans overlook, I mean wouldn't you WANT someone to be better at things? I mean as always to each his own. I feel very torn between being frustrated with certain aspects and loving the stories and the world. Like you said though, he has so much potential to be one of the greats and have a lasting affect on the genre, only time will tell.
@lajaradayne3679
5 жыл бұрын
Hey there "cousin!" Nice username. I completely agree about his writing style. It's too plain. At times it's refreshingly economical, in that he doesn't do unnecessary descriptions. If the "camera" is zoomed in on some object in a scene, it will be important to the plot so best not forget it. But it's to the point of being too obvious when describing characters' thoughts. He did this in WoT but I excused that as the necessary clumsiness in writing someone else's story. But not after having just finished the first Mistborn trilogy, I think it's just his writing. I'm glad for the people who find it accessible, but to me it comes off as beating you over the head with a point sometimes.
@lajaradayne3679
5 жыл бұрын
I'm also personally spoiled by GRRM really cinematically setting a scene and never quite explaining anything outright, so nothing quite holds a candle for me...
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting take and well explained viewpoint mate. I do not feel this way myself though I do not feel I am ignoring it. It might be that I do feel like I am in his worlds, universe and (especially thanks to his very personal use of viewpoint) in his characters. Do I hope he progresses in every area YES. Do I think he is progressing YES. I have heard a lot of people say his writing is too plain but I just do not find it so. I can read it or hear it easily enough and it opens the reality of his greatest strengths such as his world building, epic conflicts and in depth character struggles just fine for me. I don't say this to suggest you are wrong (literally hundreds probably thousands of poeple agree with you, I see the comment EVERYWHERE) but only to say the writing style really works for a lot of us. I would rather read brandon than Tolkien (Who I love and have read several times) and even than Stephen Erickson (Who is an amazing world builder and writer). I just find that the communication is so clear and 100% with Brandon. I am never thrown out of his story as the story telling is seamless. So though it may be an area for growth it doesn't hit me as a great weakness and I would hate it if in an attempt to really focus on writing with a more Rothfus style he let his worldbuilding, character development, magic system plotlines slip. In the end it comes down to do his strengths outweigh his weaknesses for you? And the ultimate question do you enjoy his work? For me those are both a rousing yes. Really interesting comment thank you for sharing. Oh and what books do you personally find outstanding? (because I know you said until he gets there with prose his will not be for you.) I'm guessing from your comments ASOIAF?
@wisildur
5 жыл бұрын
I dont want to look like an asshole, but how could we talk about the best in the world/of all time, since Americans or english speaker does only know english or american fantasy?
@safinan8008
5 жыл бұрын
I’m fan of Brandon Sanderson!! 😄😄 always like watching ur videos!!
@rodeljagad8127
5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think there’ll ever be “a goat,” so to speak. The matter of narrative is too personal and subjective to say that one person is objectively the best. The intent of the author vs what the reader interprets... the context in which the author wrote it... people’s personal taste and what sort of conflicts speak to them... There is no goat, there is no #1 story. There are simply stories. Some are poorly written, some are good, some are amazing, and some are absolutely genius to those readers that they speak too.
@rodeljagad8127
5 жыл бұрын
The interesting thing about writing (especially fiction) is that it’s less about there being a correct way of doing things, and more that there are certain things which absolutely do not work. Every good author breaks certain “rules” but to do so well, you must know what the rules are and why they are. (This is why I find writing absolutely fascinating. For all the amazing writers that are out there, writing is still an enigma that can’t be completely understood.)
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. But it is fun to discuss and he is certainly written some great stories and done it well.
@benwilson7870
5 жыл бұрын
I think he could be one of the greats. But it is really tough to become "the" greatest. That is pretty rare. I think (as you said), time is the biggest factor. If his books are still selling and popular in 70 years, then you can confidently say something like that. But my gut is that most of his books will probably never rival the Tolkien books. At least in the minds of the general public. I think Martin's books are more likely to do this. Even though I personally do like Sanderson's books more. Great video!
@joshcooper7
5 жыл бұрын
I am a member if the same church as Sanderson. I hadn't noticed any preaching in his mistborn series (I have only read them so far). I havent even heard anyone make that claim, tho I am not involved in the fantasy community.
@lajaradayne3679
5 жыл бұрын
I think it's easier for an outsider to find things like that. Many people take their own worldview for granted: a worldview is the water someone swims in, so they don't notice its presence. That said, I'm wasn't sure which parts people are talking about that might be LDS-related, so I looked into it. This blog (www.millennialstar.org/the-mormonism-in-brandon-sanderson-novels/) points out a few, and commenters point out others. Deification was the biggest one I noticed before looking into it. Overall I think the references are pretty flimsy, general, and typical of fantasy anyway. I don't feel he's trying to convert anyone. I admittedly came into reading his books with an anti-religious bias, expecting to find allusions to doctrine or something.
@joshcooper7
5 жыл бұрын
@@lajaradayne3679 thanks for that link. I read it and I do think they are pretty weak. A good experiment would be to give the books to someone who doesnt know Sanderson is a mormon and see of they can pick up on the "themes". I just dont see how it connects. In fairness I was an atheist about 6/7 years ago before I became a member of the church. I hope not alot of people complain about his religious beliefs in the book because I dont see much of a case here. It seems more of people working backward, trying to make the hypothesis work.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
@@lajaradayne3679 Thank you for this well reasoned response and the link. Agreed a lot of themes including that people can assend and be gods is not unique to him. Lot of that in fantasy.
@mohsenensafjoo7912
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon sanderson is an amazing author and I like all of his works. But, like you said I want to see a deeper philosophy in his works too. And I beleive we will see it in stormlight archive.
@JZETH_
5 жыл бұрын
I’m reading through my first Sanderson book, Skyward, and it’s freaking awesome. Such a page turner and I can barely put it down. I will go through the Mistborn series after I’m done with Skyward. .
@nathansequeira182
5 жыл бұрын
Dont read mistborn first. Read stormlight archive. Mistborn will make you quit many times and you will give up sometimes (Not saying it's bad) but stormlight is amazing
@JZETH_
5 жыл бұрын
Nathan Sequeira I was actually looking into Stormlight as well but decided to jump into Wheel of Time first. Maybe I’ll try Stormlight when I’m done with the first WOT book Thanks for the tip! I have heard good things about Mistborn though
@GaneshPalraj1991
4 жыл бұрын
@@nathansequeira182 why was mistborn bad , asking just to know your opinion.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
@@JZETH_ Mistborn is fine, as is way of kings. Way of Kings however is a lot more unorthodox and the series is flat out a longer read. Basically you can enjoy either. If you liked Skyward though you should consider his other YA stuff like Reckoners and Starsight. If you read WOT book one (Eye of the World) you will likely want to read the rest of the 14 books so it might be a while :)
@chrw93
5 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this, don't normally enjoy book reviews but your video felt calm, critical and honest. Edit: book review channels*
@anoniem1006
4 жыл бұрын
I think Brandon Sanderson is a brilliant worldbuilder and he’s good at plotting a story, but some (note: not all) of the characters in his books are poorly written. Especially the women.
@patricionunez3521
5 жыл бұрын
I really like Brandon Sanderson, but I kind of hate when people claim he is better than Tolkien... Like, what the fuck?
@vispian7688
5 жыл бұрын
I agree he is up there with Tolkien and Jordan in the top 5 but as a Goat i have to see not only how the stormlight archive comes together but also how the Cosmere as a whole develops. He is one in a few with the potential to be one of the greatest, but we just started his golden age that could go either way. unpopular opinion - Elantris is my favorite standalone fantasy book, just thought it deserved more appreciation
@jeandiatasmith4512
5 жыл бұрын
Elantris is one my favorites too. Every time I reread it, I get sad that there's not more coming in that world.
@mc9723
5 жыл бұрын
Elantris was my introduction to him. I was trying to read more fantasy without diving into a full series of books and heard it was pretty good. Shortly after I acquired the Misborn series and am now invested in SA. The dude may or may not be the "GOAT", but there is no doubt he's sitting at the same table as them.
@vispian7688
5 жыл бұрын
@@jeandiatasmith4512 Brandon has confirmed a sequel to Elantris and Warbreaker eventually. Warbreaker is far in the distance, but he keeps saying he will get to Elantris soon when the current age of mistborn and book 5 of stormlight are done.
@jeandiatasmith4512
5 жыл бұрын
@@vispian7688 This makes me happy! Thanks!
@taylorguttryhall5799
5 жыл бұрын
Elantris and warbreaker get so much hate but I love them. They're both on my list of favorite novels. When warbreaker came into the most recent stormlight book I was so happy! However, I don't think Elantris would tie in as well and I hope he let's it rest as the beautiful thing it is.
@mrgodliak
5 жыл бұрын
Also while maybe there isn't classes for Narnia I've heard of plenty for CS Lewis.
@HarantheBlue
5 жыл бұрын
He is more widely regarded within the Christian community. Haven't read the books, but the movie is one of my favorite works of fantasy.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It was never likely that people would run college classes on children's books regaurdless of how inpactful and well loved they are or were. I would not say C S Lewis has faded into obscurity. However his works are now considered controversial. I have had to defend myself to some people when I say I have read them becasue those people consider him not to be diverse and even sexist/racist. That is a result of the current era and its sensibilities nothing to do with the power of his stories or even his authorial intent. Annoys me sometimes... it really does.
@davidalex565
4 жыл бұрын
I dont know how any one author can be the greatest of all time since that is all subjective....
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree, but it is nice to chat about it.
@HighdesertOgre
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon has a seat at the high table, but he's not alone and his chair is not center placed.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Nicely worded.
@KeeliaSilvis
5 жыл бұрын
UPDATE: Whoops, I commented before I watched the whole video. Yes, anyone who claims Sanderson is "the greatest fantasy author of all time" is falling into overenthusiastic hyperbole. Calling *anyone* the G.O.A.T. would be overenthusiastic hyperbole! But I still think he is AMAZING, and I'm having a delicious time working my way through his Cosmere audiobook by audiobook. ORIGINAL: In the past year alone I have listened to all the Mistborn books, Warbreaker, and the first Stormlight book, I can enthusiastically answer, "No, he is not overhyped, he is completely and justifiably AMAZING." This all started with how fantastically he completed WoT. I'm addicted, and I don't intend on seeking a cure.
@rae5425
5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson and H.P Lovecraft are my 2 most favorite authors. Brandon Sander with his insanely written characters, can't express this enough. Lovecraft for the most insane prose I've ever encountered.
@dalemoore7394
5 жыл бұрын
I am just finishing The Way of Kings. Aside from the last 3 books of WoT. My first Brandon Sandeson story. It took me a minute to decide if I liked it or not. He dropped you into the middle of this world he has fully realized, but we are just learning about. It was quite jarring to me. That being said, he so masterfully illuminated the characters and the world in which they live, I can't wait to read more. I have a limited frame of reference to make a judgment on whether he is the G.O.A.T, but I am certainly going to be reading more of his work.
@TaRatTinCan
5 жыл бұрын
Never considered myself “a fantasy guy” (although if I think about it, I read quite a bit), but Sanderson’s writing in the last year made me binge-read entire Cosmere, re- appreciate classical high fantasy genre. In the result I found this channel and now consider to read other authors, just because how I like his books. My opinion, for what that is worth.
@boldnotbald3705
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a Brandon fan since 2011 when I discovered Mistborn. He’s been my favorite since then. Side note: all my family’s dogs are named after his characters (Kelsier, Marsh, and Shai)
@molllykbat
4 жыл бұрын
LOL i would totally name a dog after kelsier just because... Y not
@RestingBookFace
5 жыл бұрын
Funny considering I'm just starting my Sanderson story. I don't generally get too into hype; but this should help keep things in perspective. Thanks Daniel!
@zacharyshaye6111
4 жыл бұрын
Robin hobb and scott lynch are the greatest and most underrated authors
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Both very good and sadly not hyped enough. Incidentally I have heard Bradon recommend both of them as well as Guy Gavriel Kay who is another underappreciated author.
@lyunardo
4 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson is a truly great storyteller. He's written some of my ALL TIME favorite books, and I'm always excited to pick up his latest. Having said that, he's not a great writer. His writing is not polished. He doesn't have a "way with words" like Sturgeon, Gaiman, or William Gibson. I suspect that's because he's always working on multiple epic, giant books. Maybe he just doesn't have time to polish his writing. He's developing magic systems, and worlds, and histories. Also, he's pretty much been a celebrity all of his life. And he (like me) was raised in a somewhat isolated religious tradition. That might explain why his dialogue often doesn't sound comfortable, or natural. Also, I don't think his humor lands 80% of the time. At least for me. Now... having said THAT... he's very, very good at that storytelling thing I mentioned earlier. When it comes to creating interesting characters that I actually care about, living on fascinating worlds... then yes, he is the G.O.A.T.!
@thecaptain3594
4 жыл бұрын
Not a Sanderson fan. I've tried to be, I just am not. Every book is the same: they start out pretty good, but descend into a meandering slog of pointless filler and sssssssslllllllloooooooowwwwwwww moving story that serves absolutely nothing to the overarching plot; then, this incredibly slow and boring story is punctuated by sudden moments of explosive action (Kaladin and Dalinar's fight with Zeth, the duel in the arena, etc.), but descend right back into the meandering slog of pointless filler. If Sanderson would shave off about 300-400 pages on every one of his books, I think I would like him better. The themes he addresses are mostly just extremely momentary hot-button issues that are being talked about in the moment, but quickly fade out of the zeitgeist and are forgotten. Very few universal eternal themes worth mentioning. And none of the book's parts have me on the edge of my seat. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields always has my heart pounding. I feel nothing at all when I read the action scenes in Sanderson's book, except maybe a sense of, "Ugh, finally! Something is actually happening!" And he also uses a lot of common cliches in his books that frankly surprised me. A love triangle between Kaladin, Adolin, and Shallan? Seriously? Did he really just do that? All in all, not a fan of his work. I just don't like it.
@playermartin286
5 жыл бұрын
Of course he’s overhyped... as are 90% of things that are out there
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Good point
@thomashahn4667
5 жыл бұрын
I have to say that while I enjoy Brandon Sanderson's books(in all fairness, I've only read a few...), he is a good, but not a great author. He definitely has certain strengths: He knows how to write battles and is incredible at creating this sense of chaos that occurs when consequences seem to mount up at an ever-increasing speed, which leads to a fascinating reading experience...I do feel that the dialogue he writes isn't at the level of many other modern fantasy writers(George RR Martin comes to mind)...Maybe I judge him harder than most for the following reason though: I feel as though he "ruined" Mat in TWOT, by taking his traits and mannerisms and kind of exaggerating them. Having said that, he wrote Mat exceptionally well in the last book and, as a whole, really did justice to the series.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
A really good comment and this from someone who disagrees with many of your points. You put yourself across in a balanced and reasonable way and back up a lot of what you say. I hope you enjoy some of his other work as you go on but either way you explain your position well.
@michaelklaczynski3650
5 жыл бұрын
His ability to plot is great. There's nothing like having the rug pulled out from under you only to realize that there was never a rug to begin with and you were actually stepping on a very valuable Picasso original that you really should have noticed when you entered the room. The area where he is lacking is in character and character development. He always tells you exactly what is going on inside someone's head, consciously and unconsciously. Development doesn't happen subtly over time but always through dramatic epiphanies. Sazed realizes he doesn't believe in any religion, and suddenly becomes a broody mess. Marasi gets a taste of power and realizes she's okay being a side-character. Perrin realizes that a hammer can also build things. Now don't get me wrong, I loved the scene of Rand on Dragonmount deciding he doesn't want to destroy the world, but the sudden change from Darth Rand to Jesus Rand was a bit dull compared to the slow descent into madness that occurred over the previous 10-ish books. He's a good author. But in my book he has yet to prove that he is great.
@lajaradayne3679
5 жыл бұрын
He does lack subtlety with characters that I get from other authors. In reading his original works that was harder for me to see, but it was jarring when getting to his WoT volumes. He would come right out and tell you Nynaeve was in denial about something, "e.g., Of course, Nynaeve would never admit [something about her hypocrisy]," whereas Jordan SHOWED us that without ever needing to say it. I think Sanderson's character work is easy for many to overlook because it's adequate, whereas at least the books I've read (first Mistborn trilogy) he excels in worldbuilding and plot so well simultaneously. I find that rare. It seems like he might be victim to a "halo effect," from psychology. We generalize from one or a few good traits to see someone as all good and overlook flaws. I think he does a good job with making some aspects of characters believable, but you captured really well how the changes are so sudden. Thanks for putting a voice to an issue I had a hard time really putting my finger on!
@currangill430
3 жыл бұрын
Since you have given me the option to hate him, I'll say I hate him. I find his characters unrealistic, his Mormon ideas suffocating, too YA, his dialogue is the most cringe worthy thing about his books. I just don't like his work.
@josephhirning2642
Жыл бұрын
Thats fair, and while I'll like him, he will never be the fantasy goat in my opinion. Tolkien holds that crown for a reason.
@currangill430
Жыл бұрын
@@josephhirning2642 I don't consider Tolkien the goat but get why people consider him the goat. I respect lotr but it'll never be my favorite
@emilolsen8189
5 жыл бұрын
Could you maybe do a ranking of the wheel of time books? Would love to see you´re ranking of them. For me its: 15. Crossroads of Twilight 14. The Fires of Heaven 13. A Crown of Swords 12. The Path of Daggers 11. The Great Hunt 10. Towers of Midnight 9. A Memory of Light 8. New Spring 7. The Gathering Storm 6. The Eye of the World 5. Winter’s Heart 4. Knife of Dreams 3. The Shadow Rising 2. The Dragon Reborn 1. Lord of Chaos
@Ravi9A
5 жыл бұрын
How is Amol worse than New spring?
@katheraineee
5 жыл бұрын
I could marry and have kids for waiting on his Stormlight Archives not a problem with that. Love Brandon Sanderson a lot GOAT
@kimkosyjana9511
5 жыл бұрын
So i have only read Stormlight Archive, but i have lots of Cosmere books on my shelf ready to read (starting Mistborn now), but just reading Stormlight made him my favorite author. It was all pure genius. His way of making everything come full circle at the end of the books, his characters, world building, storyline... It's just pure awesomeness :) I'm so obnoxious because i just constantly recommend his books to all my friends!
@nickelmouse451
5 жыл бұрын
Only through part 1 of The Way of Kings, so this can only be my initial thoughts, but so far he seems a little overrated. The world is really interesting, and the characters are well realised, but---so far---he’s made Kaladin and Shallan too competent for my liking. E.g. Kaladin should have been dead so many times but miraculously comes out unscathed (perhaps this is explained later on). Also, Sanderson keeps making reference to the study of logic and argument, but he’s clearly either never read any logic or not understood it. I’m sure this won’t matter to most, but why bother spending some effort to convince the reader that your characters are competent in a skill you don’t know anything about? Why not either: not bother, or do some proper research? Still, I’m looking forward to seeing where it goes from here.
@andrewhenley2976
5 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, I thought the same thing. The Kaladin thing is explained in full later on.
@nickelmouse451
5 жыл бұрын
@@andrewhenley2976 Ah, ok cool. I'll look forward to that!
@GaneshPalraj1991
4 жыл бұрын
@@nickelmouse451 how to do you feel about the way of the kings now?
@nickelmouse451
4 жыл бұрын
@@GaneshPalraj1991 I'm ashamed to say that I stopped reading it shortly into part 2. This is not necessarily much of a reflection on the book itself, as my work load at the moment is incredibly heavy. Perhaps, under different circumstances I would have persisted. I definitely liked the world building, as it did give me an image of a truly unique world, which is rare for me. (Though perhaps this just reflects the fact I’m not very well read in fantasy). However, I thought a lot of the character writing was a bit sloppy (which is perhaps to be expected with a book on this scale). It's not that I think the characterisation is bad, but I think the way it is translated to the page can be very unimaginative. I think the final nail for me was the scene in which one of Adolin’s sons (can’t remember which one, sorry its been a while) is being teased for being a Lothario. It just came across like the dialogue from an 80’s action film. I’m an enormous JG Ballard fan (I know he’s sci-fi not fantasy), and his writing regarding sexuality is so captivating: sometimes its disturbing, sometimes cathartic, but always deeply human. The structure of his narratives are also focused on the psycho-sexual motivations of his characters, such that the narrative is intimately bound up in their psychology. (This is also true for writers like Philip Roth and Don DeLillo, though they are also not fantasy authors). In comparison, Sanderson’s character writing just felt a little flat. Of course, I understand that Sanderson is probably much more concerned with world building and scale of storytelling than character writing. That is completely legitimate stance; art criticism isn’t objective.
@GaneshPalraj1991
4 жыл бұрын
@@nickelmouse451 good to know. One day i hope that you do finish the book , great story even with the flaws.
@TheJohnnyonthespot1
5 жыл бұрын
Went looking for fantasy book recommendations post-GOT finale and discovered your channel. Picked up my first Sanderson book today: Mistborn! Am excited to dive back into fantasy after several years off, having previously read ASOIAF, Tolkien, and The Dark Tower.
@lajaradayne3679
5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see I'm not the only one here on ASOIAF methadone. *Edited to add "here." Obvi I know tons of other people are pining for the Winds of Winter...
@nestrior7733
5 жыл бұрын
I see it as with all goats: They are realized to have been either near the end or after their time and it is a completely temporary title. There have been others that carried the title of goat in fantasy before Tolkien. Maybe more general for fiction. I would honestly put Stoker up there too until a Stephen King started pumping out his multiverse. There will never be an eternal goat unless you are a total die-hard fan for someone, at which point we have another situation. Objective goats are never eternal and Brandon has a good shot for this generation. When we finally am able to look beyond Tolkien's war commentary and Jordan's criticism of lacking communication to finally focus on what makes our societies traumatize people systematically.
@matrimcauthon1850
5 жыл бұрын
He is the goat at being consistently great and pumping out books but I don’t think any individual book or series has been in the goat category and you kinda need at least one series that you can point too and say that’s why he’s the goat. Just like all the goat sports stars have won championships and not just had consistently good careers.
@Inurendo88
5 жыл бұрын
I cant say whether or not he's the best fantasy author, but he's certainly my favourite fantasy author.
@oliverizzard8751
5 жыл бұрын
Haven't started stormlight yet. Really enjoyed mistborn first 3. Struggling a bit with number 4 start ... Terry pratchett is the GOAT.
@MJZA93
5 жыл бұрын
Book 4 is meh but 5 gets good and 6 is probably my favorite mistborn book, give it a go and you'll be more hyped for book 7 than you can imagine.
@oliverizzard8751
5 жыл бұрын
@@MJZA93 I'll keep that in mind mate thanks. ☺ Edit: can I skip book 4?
@MJZA93
5 жыл бұрын
@@oliverizzard8751 nope, there are some new... Mechanics in book 4 and it does a good job of exploring the individual potential of allomancy and ferrochemy as well as do some world building. You also come to expect things from characters which later books challenge and change. Book 2 is more about the plot and intrigue and book 3 is just phenomenal as a whole. If you finish a book and remember this thread, feel free to come tell me what you thought - I'd love to get other people's thoughta on it
@psal8715
5 жыл бұрын
@@MJZA93 Wow, i really enjoyed book 4. Different stroke for different folk i guess. I do agree that 5 and 6 are better.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't consider it book 4. The Wax and Wayne series is a whole new start it is series 2 books 1-4. I can't fully relate as I love Alloy of Law and the whole series. You are allowed to like Brandon as an author and not like one of his series. If it is not for you, you can put it down and read something you like better. However if you push on I think it will have the chance to grow on you as I liked it more and more the more I read. Especially characters like Steris who was an absolute revelation for me. Can I ask what are you struggling with? Is it the tech (gunslinger) era? Characters? Is it that it is more detective rather than heist or high fantasy?
@leslieoliverii9035
3 жыл бұрын
I find it rather ironic that people have accused Brandon Sanderson of trying to convert people to Mormonism with his work. When Jasnah Kholin is perhaps one of the GREATEST Atheistic characters in Fantasy.
@LucysLocket
2 жыл бұрын
6:44 "Strike That, Reverse It!"
@Djslimei
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, this channel is growing fast. I remember in October last year when I saw a guy that looked like you in a restaurant and told my girlfriend "he looks like Daniele Greene. It's a KZitemr with 3k or something, but he's engaging and gonna blow up once". Seems like you'll get into that 100k-500k range soon. And... THAT GUY LOOKED JUST LIKE YOU I SWEAR TO FU...
@paulwilliams6913
5 жыл бұрын
It's probably because I am an academic, but I seem to evaluate literature differently than what I general encounter on BookTube. Sanderson has, over the years, become increasingly a difficult matter for me. On the one hand, his production speed and penchant for spectacle are really great, and I like him as a person--every time I've met him he's been quite pleasant. And I like a lot of his characters quite a bit--Kelsier, Vin, Kaladin, and others are great fun to spend time with. On the other hand, I fear that with each of his books I've read in the last few I find myself growing increasingly frustrated with his writing style. When he's just freewheeling and telling a fun story with enjoyable characters and some satisfying pathos, it's great. However, I feel he's increasingly trying to surprise readers with sudden swerves in the plots that I find more annoying than provocative. And I find his prose are increasingly more troublesome for me, most especially in Oathbringer, which I honestly think should have been 200+ pages shorter. Still, I approach Sanderson the way I do movies in the MCU, meaning I don't expect more than entertainment. He doesn't always land with me, but in general he gives me what I expect from him, and sometimes even surprises me. All of that being said, the criteria by which I judge literature in terms of "best" generally swings me away from authors like Sanderson. I think it's important to keep in mind that Sanderson (and so many other authors) write epic fantasy, but there are so many other sides to the genre--fairy tale, alternative history, mannerpunk, carniepunk, science-fantasy, and lots more. Epic fantasy sells well and is crazy fun, but I do wish that people were more aware of the other shades within the genre. Ultimately, I'm more in favor of authors like Ursula K. Le Guin, John Crowley, Robert Holdstock, Gene Wolfe, E.R. Eddison, etc. Sanderson does his brand of fantasy very well, but that's just one part of a much broader field and I do wish more people considered more of the kinds of stories that fantasy can and does tell. Obviously the above cannot represent the full breadth of my thoughts on this matter--how could a KZitem comment possibly accomplish that?--and I'm happy to discuss it further with anyone who wants to. A few points on other things you mentioned, while I'm here: 1) C.S. Lewis still has a pretty robust place in universities, at least amongst programs that teach fantasy literature (which are too few). Over the past three years I have begun attending the International Conference on the Fantastic in the Arts and there's always lots of papers about Lewis, plus there's an academic journal (Mythlore) dedicated to the Inklings and Lewis is a topic of frequent discussion. One of my colleagues actually took a class on Lewis just a couple years ago at the institution where she did her MA. So while you personally don't encounter Lewis that much, I disagree with the apparent sweep of your claim near the end. 2) Being myself a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (i.e. Mormon, though we prefer not to be called by that label), I will say that principles from our faith appear quite readily in Sanderson's books. That being said, as you pointed out, it seems absurd to me that anyone would read his work and assume he's trying to proselytize. He thoroughly defamiliarizes these principles and while those who look for them will likely notice them, there's simply no reason to assume Sanderson has any sort of agenda beyond writing stories that he finds interesting and that his audience seems to enjoy.
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for contributing to this discussion. I love a lot of his work but I probably don't have the critical academic thinking as I am reading purely for pleasure and thought provoking ideas. As you point out he is great at that kind of thing. I just thought your comment was very readable and balanced which I appreciate even in people I disagree with. Your final two points were really well put and I agree with both in every particular.
@kevins4254
5 жыл бұрын
Original Question: Is Brandon Sanderson overhyped?My answer: Yes. That's doesn't mean he isn't very good. I'm not a fan of his work but I can understand why other people like him. Is he the GOAT? I don't believe there is a GOAT in fantasy writing. There are so many authors with so many different styles, and let's not forget that everyone's taste is different.
@nicolem7150
5 жыл бұрын
A great, well-rounded discussion! Personally I found that Sanderson is a good storyteller, but his writing style is too dry and dull for my tastes. To the point where I just can't get invested in his books. Interestingly enough this point was brought up in the video, but with a postive look: Sanderson spends more time describing the magic system, for example. And honestly that stuff bored me to tears. 😅
@Trisjack20
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you want a more descriptive flowing writing style you want Rothfus or someone. If you don't enjoy the very detailed broken down and crucial to plot line magic systems he just is not your style at all. Love the way you made your point though. So reasonable, your comment is easy to read and learn from even though I disagree with it. That's exactly the kind of thing we need more of on the internet.
@bradbrew5556
5 жыл бұрын
Is Brandon Sanderson the goat? Does a shardbearer shit in the rock buds?
@KBJ118
5 жыл бұрын
...but they shit in their shardplate not the rock buds.
@plus9775
4 жыл бұрын
@@KBJ118 one of my favorite of-all-time scenes from any media
@ChiIIChief
5 жыл бұрын
A laughed every time the G.O.A.T came up
@joewar2028
3 жыл бұрын
I get that it's the same universe, but his work is formulaic. Desolate world? Check. Magic system based on a foci? Check. He's a one-trick pony. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic trick. But.....when you put out all of these series and all of these novellas of different locales doing that same one thing, it makes that one-trick just too glaring. Again, I like a lot of his stuff, not here to bash for the sake of bashing. I'm just burned out on him right now, but I really hope I can come around again by end of Stormlight
@stfnknbb
4 жыл бұрын
He is unreadable. It's dungeons and dragons fantasy. I have tried but I just cannot enjoy him.
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