The chain lubes test is finally complete - you can watch it here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/z6Wpzp6DbnV1lKg Thanks for your patience, John
@ggj666
3 жыл бұрын
"we asked a man who makes and sells chain lube, do we need to use chain lube" something tells me that the answer would be yes. If he was selling a Banana as chain lube and you asked him if it was needed and you wanted to pay for it guess what his answer would be ?😁😁
@ekimandersom4478
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah kinda stupid
@ioriyagami9982
3 жыл бұрын
True
@STho205
3 жыл бұрын
A banana might work well
@mickl8212
2 жыл бұрын
The man who sells chain lube is telling the truth. It's not to lubricate the inside of the rollers on the chain(if they have O rings), it's to lubricate contact between the outside of the chain roller, side plates where it comes into contact with the sprocket.
@Chokkan
2 жыл бұрын
6:44
@smiley50ish
4 жыл бұрын
ryans fort nine survey is a must see really interesting
@BigBadLoneWolf
3 жыл бұрын
i clean my chain with parrafin, wipe dry, then apply 80/90 gearbox oil, then wipe off excess, as advised in the owners manual. if anyone is familiar with ryan F9, he did a test and came to the same conclusion
@thewatcher5271
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, FortNine Does Two Of The Best Videos On Chain Cleaning & Lubrication. I Use Kerosene To Clean & Gear Oil To Lubricate. Thank You.
@richardbrown9344
2 ай бұрын
But parrafin destroys the rubber seals in the links they say?
@buskman3286
11 ай бұрын
I haven't lubed an Oring or Xring chain on a street bike in at least 15 years. No issue with wear. Cleaning the chain occasionally is all that is necessary. Chain lube just attracts dirt and causes this abrasive paste to work on the chain sprocket.
@richardbrown9344
2 ай бұрын
How do you clean it mate?
@charliem5332
5 жыл бұрын
Lubrication and penetration. It makes the world go round. Not just the chain.
@kcdmine3635
4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@nvkulk
4 жыл бұрын
I Live my life by lubes and penetrants!
@death2pc
3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the mint jelly!
@guri131
Жыл бұрын
Winner
@jamiehalifax4954
Ай бұрын
Just hawk tuah on that thang ! 😮😂😂😂😮
@rushiiiop
5 жыл бұрын
gear oil 85/90 cheap and effective
@christiannoble5549
4 жыл бұрын
that's exactly what you need!
@marcpilon9189
4 жыл бұрын
@@christiannoble5549 I've been using a slightly thicker oil for less fling 75w140
@paulsven7923
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcpilon9189 but some of us like a little fling ;)
@davidheaney9249
3 жыл бұрын
Been using it since 1984 always got good mileage out of my chains never had any problems
@bootz0409
3 жыл бұрын
If you read the bike handbook, this is exactly what is recommended. 😀👍
@bacbladerunner
7 ай бұрын
I would very much like to hear others' opinions on my controversial belief. I have had a theory for 50 years. I think a never-cleaned and never lubricated chain and sprockets may last just as long as those that are serviced. At least in the Bay Area of CA, where I live, where we have no road salt and mild conditions. Modern chains are greased internally behind rubber O-rings. As for the outside of the chain, I wonder if lubing it just attracts more grit and turns it into sandpaper? So, I am finally running an experiment. I put a new DID chain on my KTM 390 Adventure and am riding it with no maintenance whatsoever. So far, I have 4,000 miles on it, 50%/50% on/off road in CA, NM, AZ, and UT. So far, everything looks fine. If I can get 10,000+ miles without ever looking at it, and without carrying supplies, and with having no mess, I am more than happy and feel I am way ahead.
@bennettsbikesocial
4 жыл бұрын
This test will still be gong ahead, but lockdown has caused a major delay in getting hold of some of the materials. Hit subscribe and you'll get a notification when it's complete. Cheers, John
@timmasonguitar
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. I am subbed, so I get the alerts. Agree that Ryan did a great job, but just not comprehensive enough to cover the UK. It was interesting to see which "approved" cleaners managed to get past the o rings. I currently use Muc-off cleaner and Wurth Dry lube.
@hdchiriac
4 жыл бұрын
I hate doing chain cleaning, so I designed a new tool: ChainBath. kzitem.info/news/bejne/tqihzoabcZmCg34
@avsolanki94
4 жыл бұрын
still waiting for the test.
@bennettsbikesocial
4 жыл бұрын
@@avsolanki94 It'll be worth it...
@fictiveaudio
3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting, would be super interesting.. come on guys!!!
@bobbyblueace
5 жыл бұрын
80W90 gear oil applied to warm chain. There is no point trying to layer it on because it will fling off. Just apply half a tea spoon of oil with a narrow paint brush and wipe away any excess to leave a micro layer that stays put with no noticeable fling. Need to apply it more frequently than chain gloop though but it does only takes 2 minutes with no mess. Cheap too!
@raymondo162
5 жыл бұрын
Scott Oiler
@tweetchris46
4 жыл бұрын
BobbyBlueAce that’s what I do 👍 especially easy on a bike with a centre stand
@harryw9598
Жыл бұрын
true, it was recommended by yamaha in my manual way back in 1994.
@lyrics36
Жыл бұрын
That's what I do. I do after every ride. Whether 100 miles or 700 miles. A bit of fling .... I'm sure I put more on than I need to ... but my chains are laying 40,000+ miles.
@marcpilon9189
4 жыл бұрын
If the main objective is o-ring integrity, shouldn't we just use a silicone based dry or wet lube ? Silicone is the go to for lubrication of o-rings in other fields
@someone46018
5 жыл бұрын
Gear lube, and be done with it. Cheaper than chain lube, and is actually what DID recommended on my new 520 O-ring chain, same recomendation by Honda on the bike's manual.
@ANDY1985UK2011
3 жыл бұрын
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274319990313?epid=652688914&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3fdebede29:g:XZQAAOSw~HBefnBh&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACgBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkY3FSd4Ad8xn3oRtkVexxrKQuNfZ0NUK7P1qFxyQGTK9guZHnbT3V7bNjTpKtTFDpdPVvrWEDj3FwGsxYR36H9iebqlcjlbmNeWCErLuPPFl%252BzV3fpbCw4jKU6cnDSVBU06hVtoBZSrz0V4sNJbuXeq8YTUNKgOwBuDgnIyqgAshqg6E6qPavikbnBpoBPCvHGcDZJTb3kZDamrKQy6yMEbufsbc012E4hCoL990vFkKQ3bgPVUxfZbT5Yc%252BqqP7OkCZHKL8yohn5RtgAdfC3izCfbdZ5r8lymBNWC%252B8yH92ZvWbO2Eg4zuyvg2tp2LI9hC6FVgnTEQXgGOiK2mgI2JzbhGgUhZ%252FaCuxFXRYp6mdh6PtcxPznGPeNY0DlxrVtwD04OW1xT08j2c9O5pmqLMzYH6h%252FjePTUM3u%252FXC%252BoWXudxEGDsSGFFf%252Ba3BGn4%252BjaAIpk8rxKMliwMCH1zKJ37v1dTFuVBn63TI8N0I1ceU%252Fl2XxD8fXi7SWFoEDI8XbbXoHECzyF88e8q4igKwoTxVJGJFg9yEOMBiP7xaKwxngbIMVvDMWxjoI7crUV3n59IOiJXIAcLzjjKwdZOYrvHdiZROLHYDzpPJjqwL%252FGYIW2g%252B%252FGF9o%252BkTmk6HclnJG3N%252BQ4%252FG9NXdnTBtt4ILEDAlAnb6RhlMq0ip1NUjTlgOEP2YlvzNeVuMK0Y83IW9WTzPNckyFrNWkB%252BKwz%252FWoLZ3YYEXp%252FVgYc9qnsLdq7vTQQkXKjKxC4%252BHt0KSBdGkXGFPxZTNFJq7IojrzLBeyonEGDBUj2Ji2Ovt9uK3bjhM%253D%7Ccksum%3A27431999031318414f6cc3034c8b92e86ff5f053755c%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524 this stuff okay?
@Truth.Keeper
2 жыл бұрын
Same with my 2006 kx450f owner's manual.
@johnmortison5763
3 жыл бұрын
Chain saw bar oil works great. It's sticky and stays on pretty well and it's cheap.
@ItsMeeJon
5 жыл бұрын
I prefer a wax over a typical liquid lube. Far less flinging when applied properly. Warm up the chain first. Apply wax. Allow to set up. Ride!
@raydavison2972
5 жыл бұрын
Wax definitely has less fling but penetration is poor even when applied as you suggest. I use the sDoc white chain lube shown in this vid and it really is good with minimal fling. The sDoc chain cleaner is also the best I have tried from many brands. In fact, although expensive all of the sDoc products I have used impress massively no matter what they are compared against.
@loggggon
3 жыл бұрын
Crap sticks to wax
@taz4100
3 жыл бұрын
@@loggggonit goes on completely liquid tjen the wax dries and it has dry lubricants to lubricate. It keeps the chain cleaner then any other lube I have seen. But I don't believe it lubricates as well as a traditional style lube as the chain gets warmer with wax lube. But it doesn't attract gunk so you don't have the the dirt grinding In the chain. I believe it's a small trade off for easier maintenance, no fling and the reports I have seen show 25k out of a wax chain.
@hyerinjun2468
4 жыл бұрын
chain lube is scam..jusr use diesel for cleaning,and used motor oil for chain lube
@h4fiz_202
3 жыл бұрын
My bike is broken i tried you're tip didn't end well 🙃
@King-Arthur-The-First
3 жыл бұрын
GEAR OIL👍 chain lube sprays 👎
@nvmcrider8475
3 жыл бұрын
I never oil my chains and they last several years. Granted I live in the desert, but lubing them just creates a mess and a chain is a relatively inexpensive replacement item.
@tweetchris46
4 жыл бұрын
After 30+ years of riding I’ve only recently changed over to using gear oil instead of chain lube. Oil is so much better.
@PrimoStracciatella
3 жыл бұрын
I bought a liter of chain saw oil years ago, haven't used half of it yet. It lubricates well, dirt doesn't stick to it much and if you don't apply too much it sticks to the chain well. I simply apply it with a finger.
@stevetop5970
3 жыл бұрын
@@PrimoStracciatella Cheapest and best.
@nockianlifter661
3 жыл бұрын
I use the oil which comes with the Scottoiler. The thicker the grease, the more muck sticks like a grinding paste. Light oil shrugs it off.
@STho205
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Dish soap and a toothbrush in that pinch point he points out to remove old dirt. Hose off. Blow or sun dry. Toothbrush and chainsaw bar oil applied at that same pinch point as you rotate your wheel. Rub it on the side of the links last to avoid visible rust. Thats good nuff. Costs about 3c a treatment.
@mickeymouse4897
Жыл бұрын
I keep telling the younger guys, gear oil & non O-ring chain is far more cost effective & lasts longer than any O-ring rubbish, they only developed the O-ring chain, as most riders are bone idle & not wanting to actually clean a chain properly, plus the crazy price on top for chain lube & crazy chain prices for a chain that is inferior to a no O-ring chain, as they can never be cleaned effectively nor lubed either... it's an industry rip off 100%.
@RogerFance
8 ай бұрын
Chain lube just attracts grit which grinds down chains and sprockets. I don't use lube. No problems.
@johnDukemaster
5 жыл бұрын
Dry lube for me! Used it for years and the chain looks fine after 35-40 000km. And no dirt on the wheel!
@kcdmine3635
4 жыл бұрын
what are dry lubes?
@johnDukemaster
4 жыл бұрын
@@kcdmine3635 Chain lubrication, not based on oil. Much better since it stays on the chain with a much cleaner looking wheel. Been using it for years with no issues.
@Nanosoft017
4 жыл бұрын
@@johnDukemaster what are you using mate?
@johnDukemaster
4 жыл бұрын
@@Nanosoft017 Well Dry lube...the can on the shelf right now says S100 on it. But there are other brands. Once you start using dry lube you'll never look back.
@garyt123
3 жыл бұрын
Total bullshit! I have used Scottoilers for 35+ years on all my bikes and chain lube is a complete waste of time/money/chains & sprockets. I know riders who lube and riders who fit a new chain and run it "dry" until it dies - same approx. mileage in both cases. I personally have part-exed a Triumph 955i with 150hp with 50k miles on the clock with its original chain and sprockets (adjusted 3 times during its lifespan) and the dealer (same dealer who sold me the bike new) commented to me "Oh! Excellent! You have recently changed the chain and sprockets!", "Errr..yeah I replied". That bike ate rear tyres every 2200-2300 miles and was not riden like a nancy - just the reverse. I challenge anyone, anyone at all, to ride out 100-200 miles with a mate who has a Scottoiler fitted, then when you stop for a brew/beer, just touch your own chain (carefull its hot!) then the chain with the Scottoiler fitted...which will just be slightly warm. Heat is what kills chains and lubricant that sticks to a chain also gets full of grit, sand and other sh1t and just becomes grinding paste which f'ks yer chain and yer sprockets. My current bike, also bought new, is at 42,000miles on the original chain & sprockets, still looking like new. It did about 20 miles without a Scottoiler (distance from the dealer to my garage).
@enginerikli5895
3 жыл бұрын
If I clean and lube the chain religiously, how much more chain life would I get? 30% more? 50% more? And how much money would I have spent on chain products? More than the price of a new chain I guess... I quitted cleaning my chain. I just nonchalantly lube it with motor oil. Jerry-rigged a plastic extension at the end of my chain guard to keep oil splash in check.
@barryroberts2474
5 жыл бұрын
In the days I started riding in 1965 we had chains with clips that separated. I like many riders then, periodically took the chain off the bike, soaked it in parafin overnight to remove grime.Then heated grease in a pan and placed the clean chain in the pan of hot grease. Removed excess grease, replaced the chain and rode away. How many riders would do that today. Great video.
@bennettsbikesocial
5 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that I'm so geeky I probably would! John
@SmallSpoonBrigade
5 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how many even could. All the chains I've used had one time use master links. Doing all that work isn't really worthwhile. Even with negligent maintenance, my last chain lasted like 10k miles. Removing the chain and redoing the masterlink represents a net decrease in safety all to avoid having to replace a chain after thousands of miles.
@michaelsteven1090
5 жыл бұрын
Damn your old..
@barryroberts2474
5 жыл бұрын
@@michaelsteven1090 yeh! But I'm still riding a high powered bike and enjoying every minute.
@2sx4u
5 жыл бұрын
Me. It's the best way.
@0222ie
5 жыл бұрын
Nearly 4000 kms on a zzr1200 two up fully loaded, around France, dry lube at the end of every day, is a high quality chain, didn't adjust it once and still no need to, nó grit stuck and no fling, rag and wd40 to clean, 12,000 kms and chain still good. Dry lube wax👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@helenodetroyo7035
Жыл бұрын
lubricating in o ring chain is not nesesary cos it is sealed. is worse cos the environment dust and sand stick to the oiled chain and that is worse than a dry chain where the dust will not stick.
@deanchild9848
5 жыл бұрын
Just use standard gear oil (most of the time gear oil is mentioned in your hand book) stop buying chain lube.....Looking forward to seeing the results of your tests.
@GDurango11
3 жыл бұрын
@sick puppy being messy is what makes it great for the chain, keep it wet and nothing sticks to it so it last.
@nandu1770
2 жыл бұрын
Is gear oil same as engine oil?
@nandu1770
2 жыл бұрын
@Shalin what is gear oil?
@jadonx
Жыл бұрын
@@nandu1770 more gloopy than engine oil. Its used in a gearbox
@edwardm9227
5 жыл бұрын
I did a French tour a while back with a big kwack, I had a mini aerosol chain lube which I did most days. We had terrible weather, rain, heavy or torrential! At the port in France on the way back after passing control I rode around to the embarkation area, I thought I was being followed by a Panzer tank! Bought a scottoiler mini, I now adjust the chain once a year, which includes a European jolly of 1500 miles or so every year.
@mickeymouse4897
3 жыл бұрын
A non O-ring chain lubricated in gear oil would not have failed on u ... enough said
@edwardm9227
3 жыл бұрын
@@mickeymouse4897 on a 1500 mile European jolly with poor weather, non o ring oiled on departure would have been dry day two, eight days with no lube! no, chain oiler on big power bikes is the only way ✊
@elekkr
Ай бұрын
If you can extend the life of your chain and sprockets with all the regular cleaning lubing and work and the expenses for the lube the cleaner the cleaning up the mess after and how much can you extend the life of them .? ! Especially considering your chain is already sealed and lubed from the inside . You know what ?! thats BS ! when my chains are streched beyond the point of adjustability (and that will happen lube or not ) i just change them and when the sprockets wear out i just change them out they cheap parts and you can easily do them every great once in a while and forget about the rest of cleaning lubing and all this malarchy .😅😮
@teneretraveller8980
5 жыл бұрын
Tuturo chain oiler on my last 4 bikes. Simple to fit and use. It cleans as well as lubricates. 30,000 from a chain and I usually change before I have to because I don't want to be caught out mid trip. And that's on singles and twins, not smooth, non snatchy triples and fours. How about running an oiler against a well cleaned and manually lined chain?
@bikersquest
5 жыл бұрын
I have one on both my bikes, it's made the drive chain almost maintenance free!
@ray8328
5 жыл бұрын
I use the Cobrra Nemo 2 oiler, similar concept with 80W90 oil. I was considering the Tuturo but I got a good deal on the Nemo here in Switzerland. I agree with your sentiments, as my chain maintenance is now made much easier without all the sticky chain lube. Cleaning is quick and drys overnight and ready for lubing on the way the work.
@babar69110
Жыл бұрын
obsession about greasing chain, but what makes hard points and elongation is torque peak which deforms the inside rollers...
@Shahar_C
5 жыл бұрын
I'm using 80W90 gear oil for years. thin layer with brush every ~800km (maybe ~400km in wet conditions). Its very cheap and it works great. (*by the way it is what REGINA chain recommends on their chain maintenance manual. you can yourself on their site.) For me, It doesn't make ANY SENSE to spend extra money on chain maintenance on chain spray lube and cleaners. Chains are relatively cheap and easy to replace anyway, don't take it so seriously. IT IS JUST A FRICKING CHAIN.
@bennettsbikesocial
5 жыл бұрын
80W90 is on the list...
@tonykartracer8032
5 жыл бұрын
A freakin' chain that can fail while you're going 80+ MPH on the freeway and now you're relegated to sippin' Big Mac's through a straw all because you don't see it as a big deal to maintain.
@Shahar_C
5 жыл бұрын
@@tonykartracer8032 I didn't say that chains shouldn't be maintained. I just say that you don't need to spend money in order to do so. It doesn't make sense to spend so much time and money on a cheap chain.
I'm bewildered as to why this question keeps coming up 🤔 as an engineer this is common sense to me that lubrication on ANY metal to metal contact is a must. I ALWAYS lube my chain after a ride when it"s hot so it really gets into the gaps then cools with the lube on it. Better slightly too much than not enough but watch it doesn't get all over that wheel and tyre 😉👍
@eskertoo
3 жыл бұрын
I have been using WD40 spray to clean the chains on my Street Triple and Speed Triple for over a year now.Spray on and wipe off.After every ride of over 50 miles.The chains are still looking very clean.Each bike has covered about 5000 miles.There is never any grit on the chains because there is no lube for it to stick to.Still not showing any obvious signs of wear.And when I spin the back wheel with the bike on the Abba stand it has that nice smooth buzz sound.This This cleaning method was advocated by Neevesy from MCN so I gave it a go.Takes about 5 minutes.
@parf2665
5 жыл бұрын
Chainsaw oil as well ?
@bennettsbikesocial
5 жыл бұрын
Good call... it's on the list now.
@R6trackaddict66
4 жыл бұрын
retired from motos to race MTB Downhill and I use to use Chainsaw oil on my MTB, it attracts way to much dirt....Now I'm using a Lithium spray but it goes quick. going to use gear oil like I did on my motos.
@richardsimpson3792
3 жыл бұрын
I use a diesel-soaked rag to clean the chain, then wipe with a dry rag. Then apply MucOff dry lube onto the inside of the bottom rung of the chain, while turning the back wheel backwards. I paint the joining link of the chain bright red to make it easier to find and check and this also serves as a marker to ensure the entire chain is cleaned and lubed.
@leonardorojas1781
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your tips, mate 😁
@richardbrown9344
2 ай бұрын
But diesel is no good for the orings...
@shravandode
Жыл бұрын
Okay the point here is, We regularly need to clean the chain and lube it to extend the life cycle and protect from corrosion.
@NebukedNezzer
3 жыл бұрын
back in the 1950s on the farm where machine chains ran in dirty dusty environments. NO lube. The chains and sprokets ran the longest with least wear. we did not let the chains out in the weather to rust. my suzuki dr200 the factory manual tell us to NOT put lube on the chain. I keep my motorcycle in the garage when not in use. no problems with chain or sprocket wear. what these guys do not understand that dirt and grease make a grinding compound.
@ANDY1985UK2011
3 жыл бұрын
most people dont have a garage though
@Banditmanuk
5 жыл бұрын
If you have an MT10 with yellow wheels you clean, lube and then wipe the chain with a cloth so there is little left to fling.
@iancurtis5397
5 жыл бұрын
I use maxima clean, lube, and wax After applying all of the above I can feel a difference as far as the movement of the chain itself. Makes so much difference
@jsin22366322
4 жыл бұрын
I second that comment.
@ferszl
3 жыл бұрын
Scottoiler type continuous lubrication with anything makes you ride carefree till your front sprocket allows (up to 40kkm in my case)
@leeengelsman1855
Жыл бұрын
Hmmmm... interesting!.
@King88_8
3 жыл бұрын
Yes yes... It's called gear oil l buy it, use it
@crm2507777
5 жыл бұрын
The cost of the chain lube isn’t cost effective compared with replacing a chain Yes this lube does work but your better of using wd40 and cleaning your chain properly and replacing it more often rather than spending £30 on 2 cans of this stuff 🤷♂️ A good chain can be had for £50 now Makes even less sense if your riding off road machinery
@raydavison2972
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but it's not just for wear. As discussed, It's also to keep the 'O' rings (Or 'X' or whatever) soft so they retain the grease as well as to reduce wear on the sprockets, help with smooth gear changes, reduce noise etc. And in doing all of that it reduces friction so increases power transmission.
@crm2507777
5 жыл бұрын
Ray Davison Well just use a Cheap Silicone based lubricant then 🤷♂️
@blipco5
5 жыл бұрын
crm2507777 ...Head down to the Hone Depot and pick up DuPont Teflon spray in the blue can. Here in the US it's about $4.59 US.
@raydavison2972
5 жыл бұрын
Why not go further. Don't bother with fork and shock oil refreshes, engine oil and filter changes. And hey, why bother washing the bike either? All of these will save you money, just change the bike instead.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
5 жыл бұрын
@@raydavison2972 That's a bit different. Swapping sprockets and chain isn't that hard. I'm terrible about chain maintenance and I still get years out of a decent set. There's a certain point where the expense makes no sense whatsoever. Those other things are either a pain to repair the damage from or can result in extremely expensive damage to the bike. In terms of the chain, as long as you maintain the slack and pay attention to the wear on the chain/sprockets, there isn't much harm done to anything else. By the GP's numbers, you'd have to be going through a new chain/sprocket set ever like 6 months before you get anywhere near the point of braking even. What's more, there's an environmental impact that comes from this stuff washing off.
@cpuuk
5 жыл бұрын
Ah, at last, I've long had a theory that lube was lubing the roller\ sprocket contact point- thanks for confirming it.
@King-Arthur-The-First
3 жыл бұрын
arrrr us Brits can be sarcastic, but as long as we keep each other entertained with it😋👍 I do think that all experienced motorcyclist and every single motorcycle racer will tell you.... why the hell is anyone spraying their chain with any aerosol, chain lube or cleaner? Chains just need small smear of gear oil as per the chain mamanufacturesnstructions.
@Maax1200
3 жыл бұрын
@@King-Arthur-The-First If its o-ring yes. Not all bikes use o-ring though and not using some kind of chain lube/oil in bigger quanteties than a smear will kill the chain within a matter of weeks.
@mctourer5549
5 жыл бұрын
I use kerosene with a brush to clean. Then 80w-90w gear lube. I clean the chain every 1500 miles and lube every 500 miles. Seems to work well. My V Strom has 59000 plus miles and only one chain replacement just recently.
@spider121
3 жыл бұрын
After lubing, do you wipe it off with a rag to prevent fling?
@mctourer5549
3 жыл бұрын
@@spider121 I got tired of the "fling" from gear lube, I have been running chain wax since and I really like it. A lot less mess, and it's been holding up in the rain as well.
@happydays1165
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never used lubricant on my chains no problems
@schmill2
4 жыл бұрын
I'll just continue with my Scottoiler thankyou.
@rockintigger
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah an degrease the back of your bike every weekend 😒
@schmill2
3 жыл бұрын
@@rockintigger I've got better things to do at the weekend. That said, it's a small price to pay for hardly ever needing to adjust my chain. If the Scottoiler is adjusted correctly there's not much "throw off" onto the back end. Flow needs to be adjusted seasonally due to ambient temperature.
@Bow-to-the-absurd
4 жыл бұрын
There's no lubricating the points of contact between the rollers and the sprocket.
@ncsteeltoe
5 жыл бұрын
Dupont Teflon Multi works well for me (not Dupont Chainsaver which is oddly ineffective). Maxima Chain Wax is good. Easy to clean and lasts a very long time.
@jeffbarnard348
5 жыл бұрын
Maxima chain wax has served me well on multiple bikes and 10s of thousands km. I'll never use a lube that flings off everywhere again
@MotoM1234
4 жыл бұрын
Chain lube traps dirt so you have to clean too. Used WD40 only - had 17k miles on my bike and zero wear. Fz1.
@King-Arthur-The-First
3 жыл бұрын
I would recommend a small amount of gear oil for the rollers and sprocket life also mate.
@whittlad
5 жыл бұрын
I use paraffin for cleaning and gearbox oil for lube because they are cheap and both work. That said I’m open to new ideas and products👍🤘😎
@Robnoxious77
5 жыл бұрын
ThunderingTosspot yes, it is
@NishadAbdulkhader
4 жыл бұрын
paraffin means kerosene or jet fuel
@rw1415
3 жыл бұрын
The only problem with paraffin/kerosene is, it's penetrating the seals in no time, getting into the grease trapped inside the o/z/x rings. Very good cleaner tho, but not for sealed chains.
@scotwilson4169
3 жыл бұрын
I used to, destroys O rings in chain and the grease came out
@duncanfraser2390
5 жыл бұрын
It's a complete scam. Use 80w90 or thicker gear oil, as per manufacturer recommendation. Stop paying these crooks £15 for a aerosol can that does 6 applications.
@malakiblunt
3 жыл бұрын
"i asked chain lube manufactures is chain lube a scam?" they said no - wow science in action
@mikewatson361
5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your findings 🤔 as always, worth watching to the very end 🤣🤣😉
@PanamaSticks
Жыл бұрын
My bike has an undersized chain (520). So it tends to stretch. I noticed decades ago that some NON O-RING racing chains had higher load specifications. So I switched to those types of chains and have not had a problem with stretch. So now my question is, are non o-ring racing chains internally greased, or do they rely on the chain lube penetrating? I used a whale oil based chain lube for years that did not fling off. When whaling was outlawed. I switched to a lube with Moly in it. I'd like your thoughts on that...
@Jp1970-pw1ld
4 күн бұрын
Gear oil with paint brush with light touch with paper towel to remove excess as I spin the rear wheel.
@fivespeed3026
5 жыл бұрын
I have a chain tool so replacing a chain is not really a big deal. I don’t maintain my chain very often.
@assortedpov
5 жыл бұрын
What about chain cleaners though (I don't think Ryan F9's chain cleaner experiment was sufficiently scientific - what's the likelihood that balloons have exactly the same chemical composition as chain seals)? I think using Motul chain cleaner might have caused me some problems but can't be sure of what's caused one of my o-rings to split. After watching this it could also be that my alignment is very marginally 'off', or it could be something else entirely.
@bennettsbikesocial
5 жыл бұрын
I'm building the chain cleaners test at the moment; it will be a way off, but it'll look at O-ring compatibility (as well as the plastics used on chain guards). Cheers, John
@davidhardstaff8110
5 жыл бұрын
I've been riding for over 40 years, always used paraffin to clean, always got good chain life.
@herbycarlos6794
5 жыл бұрын
@@bennettsbikesocial I would be curious to this as well since RyanF9 tested that Parrafin (Kerosene for the U.S.) would creep through the o-rings and essentially wash out the grease, but it is generally the most recommended chain cleaner from bike manufactures in the owners manual.
@tcbglasgow800
5 жыл бұрын
Tried gear oil for a while, great in dry weather, but would wash off when bike was left out in the rain leaving me to run the chain dry. Changed to a rock oil spray, been good so far feels very tacky though. Will be interested to see how it copes nearer the winter months. My commute is a 50+ round trip and use the bike in all but extreme weather. Having chewed up 2 chains in 18 month anything that helps prolong the life would be of great interest. Looking forward to the results!
@King-Arthur-The-First
3 жыл бұрын
gear oil whenever needed prolongs chain life as per the manufacturers recommendation. chain lube attracts dirt.
@burtonparsons7717
3 жыл бұрын
Include Diesel fuel in your test. I've heard it is the best and available at most gas stations on a trip.
@sidharthshivappa1359
5 жыл бұрын
Gear oil bestest
@johnbarker9448
3 жыл бұрын
What about chain oilers? Be interesting to see the different results.
@stevenkelby2169
3 жыл бұрын
Scottoiler is the only intelligent answer!
@thanosa2206
11 ай бұрын
Just gear oil 80/90 1L for 10 years
@zzrider805
3 ай бұрын
That's what's stated on japanese motorcycle manufactures service manuals. We must give credit to them. Japanes engineers know what they're doing. Honda alone has more than 800 motorcycle Grand Prix wins. Just an example (not from Honda): "If a special lubricant is not available, a heavy oil such as SAE 90 is preferred to a lighter oil because it will stay on the chain longer and provide better lubrication." On road bikes, the only downside compared to comercial spray lubricants is more rear wheel fling
@stevepbriggs
Ай бұрын
I clean mine with diesel, and use old engine oil as a lube. I have a Scott oiler that uses old engine oil. My chain on my zzr14 is over 25k miles old and still good. I believe that keeping the chain clean is as important as lube.
@chrisbunker2117
4 жыл бұрын
One used to be able to easily remove the chain. It would then be cleaned. The appropriate chain grease would then be put into a pot, melted using Heat, ie. over a flame or hot plate. When the grease becomes hot and fluid, simply lay the chain into the molten grease allowing the grease to penatrate the inner workings of the chain. There were recommended amounts of time to leave the chain in the liquid grease. After this process the grease would be allowed to cool so that the chain could be safely taken out of the pot. A quick whipe over and the freshly lubed chain is ready for reinstallation.
@MikeHarveyPhoto
Жыл бұрын
I remember that can't remember the name
@harrymurphey2634
7 ай бұрын
.... I was tought about "chain lube" by my buddy who raced "moto-cross" ... so I applied those lessons onto my bike chain ... I use a chain wax and just replaced my chain w/ +7000 miles at the beginning of the season... and ... I can clean the old chain and get another +2000-3000 miles yet ...maybe more .... walking home sucks because of a broken chain ...
@guylegros153
3 ай бұрын
For me I use graphite bloc (dry lubricant) the chain passing non stop on the bloc avoiding à compound made of grit dust and sand abrasiv for the chain and it works well
@keithhebson3982
Жыл бұрын
its dead easy ...................... just use old engine oil on your chain ! I always carry two small bottles and keep it well oiled !! Last bike Honda africa twin 35,000 miles in two years and only 2 adjustments .............. and its free !!!
@MotoGoato
3 жыл бұрын
I use paraffin, some old clean hand towels and a toothbrush for cleaning the chain ... always brings it up like new. Then I use Wurth HP Dry lube and a ChainMate for lubing duties. Lube after each couple of rides and give it a full clean once every 300/400 miles or so.
@firestorm755
4 жыл бұрын
I've been riding for 40 years now. The chain on my Firestorm has just been changed along with sprockets of course. 32000 that chain had done. It had zero corrosion due to lots of lube. I spray the chain liberally then wrap a rag around it while turning the wheel by hand then repeat. The chain now looks good and ready to go. The other trick is don't have your chain too tight. Adjust the slack with you on board. Your chain will thank you for this.
@captainbimble
7 ай бұрын
Been cleaning my chain with kerosene for years. Then I wipe away the residue and lube it with Wurth dry lube. Keeps chain in A1 condition and zero fling on my back wheel .
@russellcrockford2519
Жыл бұрын
Chain lube is ok for road bikes , but no good for dirt bikes. Our group stoped using chain lube and we have doubled the life of our chain and sprockets. I clean the chain after every ride with degreaser or bike cleaner. Then spin out the water. Spray with WD40 or Inox. 100 percent doubles the life. The chain lube attracts dust dirt and mud and and turns it into a grinding paste which increases wear.
@David..
9 ай бұрын
I use Motorex. I ride ~9k miles a year and go through maybe 2 cans of it. Tried gear oil after the Fortnine video. Seemed like a giant pain in the ass to save $34.
@michaelhayward7572
5 жыл бұрын
Two words ; gear oil. Or another two words ; shaft drive. Either or is fine.
@kavinsp
5 жыл бұрын
Belt drive doesn't need lube too
@kavinsp
5 жыл бұрын
Belt drive doesn't need lube too
@Heavywall70
5 жыл бұрын
I ride an old bmw Change the diff oil every 20kmiles It’s essentially as maintenance free as a final drive can be
@Sunrazor
Жыл бұрын
I tried gear oil for the first time. I am never buying chain lube again. Sure, it flings a bit from start. But what it also flings off is dirt and gravel. And the chain looks like new, is dead quiet and it stays this way for quite some time. The gear oil is also dirt cheap.
@CheetahNL
Жыл бұрын
What are the numbers on replacing chains and buying lube? I really have no idea, but replacing a chain is not like overhauling the motor or something. And chain lube is not cheap. So perhaps not lubricating and just buying a new chain is cheaper? Who can tell me this?
@skippynj1979
2 жыл бұрын
I use Honda.. it's not tacky.. and keeps corrosion protection down.. doesn't fling and it's cheap.. I don't over think it... If I'm in the rain and muck.. I spray it off with the Honda cleaner and a quick spay of lube.. no more than 3 minutes..
@KevinofWessex
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Bennetts ... check out 2021 Harley Davidson rotors they clunk like hell.. should there be do much play in them... i think they should have a factory recall.. over time they will get worse...honestly check them out..
@20cent
3 жыл бұрын
A lubed chain looks better than one that isn't. Like washing your bike. You bought a sponge, some soap and probably a microfiber cloth. SCAM!!! A dirty bike runs fine too...
@raheemgahelable
3 жыл бұрын
Have you heard a dry/ non lubed chain before on some homeless person's bike?? Yep! That's definitely not good! And your drivetrain would shift like absolute shit! Use lube on your chain, people!
@gingercyclops4397
2 жыл бұрын
No way... talk about a biased result, good organized video almost completely nullified by the choice of source. You cant ask the people who profit off chain lube and expect an honest scientific answer
@sabre2x135
4 жыл бұрын
A scotoiler filled with any old crap oil from WalMart works great for me. Got over 30000 miles out my last chain
@coffindancer38
3 жыл бұрын
Dirt bikes need a chain i think. Belts die in grit. On the street? F++k chains, theyre out. And hes right, a sealed chain stays lubed maybe a drop or two of motor oils saved from you last change works jjst as well. Harleys used engine oil for years on the old non prelubed chains. The weep hole that lubed harkey chains on old bikes is why they lefg a puddle if they sat a long time. Now harley is belt drive that is maintenance free.
@mickeymouse4897
3 жыл бұрын
O-ring chains are the biggest scam ever, not needed at all, what use is a chain that you can't actually clean properly & re-lube ... Don't waste your money, buy a good quality non O-ring chain which is less than half the price of an over priced O-ring chain.
@YannisHourdakisPhD
3 жыл бұрын
How long does a chain last WITHOUT any lubricant? What is the cost of a new chain? How much does it cost to lubricate a chain and how long does it prolong its life? Answer these questions and everyone will know what to do.
@gmseed1908
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing more than a big racket. As long as the chain is lubricated to prevent corrosion and rust, everything else is marketing bullshit. Today, you can buy a good quality chain for £50. It's a cheap serviceable item and at the end of the day not as big a deal as people try to make out.
@robertbates1079
5 жыл бұрын
I've been saying for years, why dont they design bikes with enclosed chains with an inspection flap, they could make them look like a shaft drive system in bet. Here in the uk with our heavy rainfall, it would make sense and maybe our chains would last a lot longer. Maybe the manufacturers wouldn't like this though and that's why it's not happening.
@raymondo162
5 жыл бұрын
Honda 50 step thru had enclosed rear chain. makes engineering sense
@herbieschwartz9246
2 ай бұрын
Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Maintenance Free Chain
@markhorton7013
5 жыл бұрын
I always use Paraffin/Kerosene for cleaning & Gear Oil EP 80W90 for Lubing.... Done it for quite a while now and I get great longevity from my DriveChain. It states both these products in my Haynes Workshop Manual or Indeed it says alternatively use a Proprietory Brand of Chain Cleaner and Chain Lube suitable for 'O' and 'X' ring Drivechains. (Never use Gasoline to clean, as it will damage the seals and ruin the chain)
@robbo6799
6 ай бұрын
Snake oil. I buy WD40 in a 20lt drum. Cleans and lubricates just fine.
@rob379lqz
3 жыл бұрын
I’m goin’ nekked from now on. Way too much frustration with the fling. I’ll change by chain/sprocket twice instead of using chain schmoo.
@Kurkess
3 жыл бұрын
Regular gear oil and a tooth brush. Been maintaining my chain like that for years. Happy with that.
@PakmanR3
2 жыл бұрын
Wd40 all day
@confusingx3
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting and I never heard such a clean English from a German 😁 Und das sagt jemand, der selbst Deutscher ist 😁 (And that says someone who is German itself😁)
@eskertoo
5 жыл бұрын
I am of the opinion that there is no way any oil can lubricate the contact between sprocket teeth and chain rollers.Only an oilbath chaincase would make a difference.That's why we are told to lubricate the edge of the links.And it is purely to stop the chain going rusty.And it is OK to clean the chain with WD40....it does not affect the O or X rings.EP 80-90 Gear Oil was tested against 9 other chainlubes on another KZitem video and came out in 2nd place.A bloke I know destroyed a chain in less than 2000 miles....by pulling wheelies every 5 minutes!
@bennettsbikesocial
5 жыл бұрын
I did reference Fort9's video of chain lube tests, and I soaked O-rings in several cleaners (including WD-40) for over a year. No, WD won't damage a chain's O-ring, but it is a penetrant, which could help wash away the grease that comes packed in the chain. We'll be testing everything possible in the cleaner and lube test that's coming up... John
@vtv8man
5 жыл бұрын
I use Meguiars Ultimate Quik Wax... on the shaft drive for the R1250gs. Works a treat !
@bennettsbikesocial
5 жыл бұрын
Show off! :)
@davidfalgout7304
4 жыл бұрын
@@bennettsbikesocial Yea but wait until his shaft gives him the shaft! and to make matters worse the dealer might be closed down.... now what is he going to do! I tell you what, he will sell the bugger!
@wyncarleton1750
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidfalgout7304 Na
@davidfalgout7304
4 жыл бұрын
@@wyncarleton1750 YEA !
@chupacabra7224
Жыл бұрын
These days I buy my things with your recommendation. Do you think Scottoiler is worth it or not please
@grider8344
3 жыл бұрын
Most people have this in the garage. Kero, wd and spray lithium grease. 25000 ks Plus. Bs again.
@jamiehalifax4954
Ай бұрын
Lube is just as important for your sprockets as well then, isnt it
@steve-wu7jp
5 жыл бұрын
Maxima chain wax is extremely popular in the us for good reason . No fling , no rust and works the best. You guys should try to order one for the test .
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