Very good video, one of your best! I had to pause several times to look at those maps and very good info material.👍
@mx2420
Жыл бұрын
Funny how Finland become not a part of "Scandinavia" a bit after 1809 when Russians defeated the Swedes in war and took 1/3 of the Kingdom of Sweden .. prior to that Finland had been part of Sweden for almost 700 years ..
@Miku-2020
Жыл бұрын
good video. though could have mentioned the mountains
@flyfin108
Жыл бұрын
@@mx2420 No.
@ristorantanen5769
Жыл бұрын
All for you brah!
@oontaakissa9998
Жыл бұрын
It's nice that Finns and Scandinavians can agree that Finns are not Scandinavian. Now if rest of the world understood and agreed with us that would be cool 😂
@cinderellaandstepsisters
Жыл бұрын
Partly Finland is located on the Scandinavian The only difference is that Finland has got more ppl with blue eyes and blond hair peninsula.
@cinderellaandstepsisters
Жыл бұрын
Partly Finland is located on the Scandinavian peninsula. However Finland 🇫🇮 is a Nordic country with Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸 politically, economically, religiously, culturally and geographically. They are all members of the Nordic council and are prosperous countries with a high standard of living. Finland was ranked the best country by World economic Forum conference in Switzerland Davos 2019 and World happiness index report and UN ranked Finland the happiest country six times in a row 2018-2023. Why? The reasons are approximately the same. Finland is at the top in almost every category. The other Nordic countries are among the ten best and happiest countries. The other Nordic countries have no need to be ashamed of Finland. I wish Finns would defend their country more, when a lot of foreigners still think Finland is a part of Russia.
@danielmalinen6337
Жыл бұрын
Well, "finland is not Scandinavian country but a part of the Fennoscandian region" is general knowledge that is taught to all children in basic school geography classes in Finland. That information cannot be avoided in Finland.
@eksiarvamus
Жыл бұрын
Oh Estonia gets this difference very well.
@artofstormdancing3319
Жыл бұрын
@@Hrotiberhtaz Sweden colonised Finland for hundreds of years, you are result of that. They took our history, our religion. They killed our people in pointless wars that had nothing to do with FInland. They used Finland as buffer against Russia and did NOTHING when Russia killed and raped and took slaves.
@trond-ivaringebrigtsen2077
Жыл бұрын
Short answer No, long answer Hell no.
@hctps1713
8 ай бұрын
why can't it be Finland
@Disillusioned_JELly
Жыл бұрын
You forgot one geographic - or rather geological - definition of Scandinavia: Scandes. It's the Scandinavian mountain range. Apparently, the only reason Denmark is even above sealevel is because it's located on top of the southern most part of the geological formation.
@kasperilindroos2370
Жыл бұрын
If the mountain range is what makes them Scandinavian then people living around the appalachian mountains in USA, the Scottish people at the highlands, and the Moroccan people living around the Atlas mountains are also Scandinavian because it's technically the same mountain range.
@Disillusioned_JELly
Жыл бұрын
@@kasperilindroos2370 Nonii. Defining Scandinavia based on Scandes is a weird and a bit contradictionary mix of geography and geology.
@backisgabbeYT
Жыл бұрын
@@Disillusioned_JELly Yeah, the Scandes argument is the one I learned in school, being Swedish, but it includes culture as well. The argument for it is that if Norway is classified as a scandinavian country with Scania as a base, then Iceland should as well, since it was also part of Denmark at the time and spoke a scandinavian language.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
Scandinavia is an ancient Romance contraction (a portmanteau) of SCANia+DINamarca+Noruega and was the name for the Danish trade federation also called Co-DANovia. Later when the Danes generously gave Sweden its independence, the Swedes became regarded as Scandinavians rather than simply Norwegians.
@backisgabbeYT
Жыл бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 Not sure what you mean by this, but Pliny the Elder called Scandinavia Scatinavia already in the 1st century AD and that's before Denmark, Norway and Sweden existed. Also, "Denmark gave Sweden independence"? What do you even mean by that?
@MultiCanis
Жыл бұрын
I remember when I first saw that new slogan of Oulu. I was sitting in a buss and another buss went by with that slogan taped on it. I immediately went "but we're not part of Scandinavia, wth".
@herrakaarme
Жыл бұрын
I guess purely geographically, if you totally ignored national borders, one should draw a line from Tornio/Haparanda to somewhere northeast, maybe to the great city of Varangerbotn in Norway, to mark the beginning of the Scandivanian peninsula. I'm not sure of how much of Finland that would leave within the Scandinavian peninsula, maybe 1/7 or 1/6. It would also leave a tiny bit of Norway outside of it, but that's just how it is in my eyes.
@Cikeb
Жыл бұрын
Geography is perhaps irrelevant, because if it was a question purely about that, then Denmark would not be included. It would just be Sweden and Norway, that are on the Scandinavian peninsula (and yes, part of northern Finland too). Much more important is political, social, linguistic and historic ties, but these have given way to the Nordic dimension since the 1950's. The Nordic dimension is a much more important than the Scandinavian one today, when it comes to cooperation. I claim "Scandinavia" is a fluid term. It has changed over time, and the idea that it's just Sweden, Norway and Denmark comes from the 19th century. Just think, what would Scandinavia have been defined as if Sweden never lost its eastern half and/or if Iceland still had a monarch in Copenhagen?
@herrakaarme
Жыл бұрын
@@Cikeb Yeah, that's why I included the word peninsula. And indeed Denmark isn't a part of it. Of course just looking at the landmass isn't that meaningful, but it's still there. The most interesting what if question indeed would be what if Sweden never lost Finland. Probably in that case Finland would be included in Scandinavia. Iceland is way out there, so cutting it off might not be such a big deal.
@DNA350ppm
Жыл бұрын
@@herrakaarme Oh, yeah, it would be a big deal - like saying Celtic is not a big deal in the north-western parts of Europe. Iceland is the keeper of our most original undeluted traditions - we can't do without it in a Nordic setting. Icelanders and Finns are in addition very similar as people (not language), great literary traditions, weather-fest population - independent, stubborn, creative, sturdy - and can drink you under the table anytime, hehe! And both countries have been pioneers in having excellent female presidents, as decided republics, no kingdoms there.
@herrakaarme
Жыл бұрын
@@DNA350ppm Like I said in my first post, a part of Finland is purely geographically already a part of the Scandinavian peninsula. That's how close Finland is to Scandinavia. So, if Finland was still East Sweden, it makes some sense Finland would be counted as Scandinavia. Iceland, however, is about a thousand kilometers away from Norway. This has got nothing to do with how important Iceland is culturally. It's obviously more Scandinavian than Finland culturally, keeping in mind the language and cultural history. All that being said, this is nothing but how I view it. Even if Finland was still a part of Sweden, and if we assumed native Swedish speakers were still a minority in Finland (obviously a huge portion of native Finnish speaker would speak Swedish fluently if Finland was a part of Sweden, but that's irrelevant here), I'm fairly certain there would be people in the Nordic countries who wouldn't consider Finland (East Sweden) Scandinavian, perhaps rightfully so.
@DNA350ppm
Жыл бұрын
@@herrakaarme Yes, indeed, Mr Viper and everybody, opinions would vary, as always, when there is the least wiggle room. How close do you consider Finland to the Slavic peoples and how close to Hungary - and in which respects? And what are your ideas about Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania - and also to all of you: how important are parlamentary democracy (free elections and diversity) and Lutherian Christendom vs other versions of Christendom, from Ethiopia to Utah? Are rather geography and language the greatest factors for grouping countries together?
@HeadsFullOfEyeballs
Жыл бұрын
It's funny how Finns get annoyed when you lump them in with Scandinavians, while the Estonian government markets the country as Scandinavian on the basis that it's kinda like Finland.
@osmoahma
Жыл бұрын
I kinda wonder who is even interested is some country part of scandinavia or not, especially as it seems that often the one asking it, does not even know any accurate definition of Scandinavia... Nor can s/he tell me why this means something to them.
@HeadsFullOfEyeballs
Жыл бұрын
@@osmoahma Well, Estonia's problem, in terms of international perception, is that nobody knows anything about the Baltic countries. Scandinavia meanwhile is an internationally recognized Thing with a good reputation. If you put the word "Scandinavian" in front of a product, people will assume that it's high-quality, nicely designed, probably ethically sourced...So Estonia figured it would be easier to convince investors, tourists etc. that Estonia is like those other Scandinavian countries they've heard about than to teach them about the Baltics.
@danielmalinen6337
Жыл бұрын
I suspect that it's because in Finland, people are proud of our school system and the knowledge that the schools teach us. 😅
@bluerfoot
8 ай бұрын
@@osmoahma usually the type of people who watch and comment on videos like this.
@mirvale87
Жыл бұрын
Never realised Skåne is Scania in english.
@dasmarkopo
Жыл бұрын
Still is Sweden and Finland pretty intertwined. Swedens biggest foreign population used to be Finland (maybe still, but debatable). Still there are a lot of finns (1st, 2nd generation) in Sweden. Would like to see even more cooperation between Finland and Sweden (culturally, politically and so forth). They share a lot of common history. A lot of finnish loanwords in Finland is a direct translation of many common Swedish words.
@dasmarkopo
Жыл бұрын
@@user-ej1dh3hb6l skip the slave mentality. It’s sad.
@oligultonn
11 ай бұрын
It would be like saying that Iceland is a part of Scandinavia despite us being 1000km away from actual Scandinavia. Scandinavia is a geographical region and not a cultural or linguistic one. Finland is a Nordic Country yes like Iceland, Faroe Islands and Norway (Some would say Sweden and Denmark but I disavow them as Nordic and I give Sweden to the Arabic world and Denmark to the German world). The relationships between the Finns and the Norse dates back almost 1500 years and there were even Finnish vikings and so a lot of culture and traditions are shared. I will admit though that Finland is a very unique country within Europe and has it's own deep cultural roots dating back into prehistory before the Finnic people migrated west from the forests just west of the Urals and after they arrived in Karelia, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Ingria.
@minnaorv
7 ай бұрын
Can swedes stop erasing Finnish culture and let us be our own individuals
@nobbynoris
Жыл бұрын
I have never been to Finland personally but I am reliably informed that it is quite a long way from Egypt and lots of miles from Japan.
@cinderellaandstepsisters
Жыл бұрын
Finland, 🇫🇮 is a Nordic country with Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸.
@Pining_for_the_fjords
11 ай бұрын
But it does share an extremely long border with Thailand and Madagascar.
@farber2
11 ай бұрын
Python.
@hctps1713
8 ай бұрын
@@Pining_for_the_fjords mitää vittua selität
@butterflies655
7 ай бұрын
@@Pining_for_the_fjordsDig out your map and look at it better.
@windsongshf
Жыл бұрын
Factoid: The largest concentration of Finns in the U.S. are in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. The "U.P" is still pretty wild. It's 1/3 the land mass of the state of Michigan but only has 4 % of the state's population! Finns like their solitude. :) P.S. my Finnish family immigrated to the UP in the late 1800s. My mom and dad were born there. :)
@ambermarie211
Жыл бұрын
I am from the U.P.! Adding to the factoid by saying that 15% of all U.P. residents have aome Finnish ancestry and in some of the more Northern parts it is as high as 25%! One set of my great grandparents came over from Finland in the early 1900's.
@windsongshf
Жыл бұрын
@@ambermarie211 Do you know where they settled? Mine were in the Keweenah, the north west area. Houghton, Hancock and Calumet. :)
@ambermarie211
Жыл бұрын
@@windsongshf My great grandparents settled in the central U.P. near Trenary. Their farm is still in the family, and is now 105 years old! My Dad grew up in Houghton/Hancock though.
@Gibbetoo
Жыл бұрын
do you teach history? great video. again.
@Rowanberry96
Жыл бұрын
Just to add: also when Finland gained independence at the same time as the Baltic countries the 1st time, we were considered a Baltic country, and only after the USSR had taken the Baltic countries Finland was considered a Nordic country more than a Baltic one
@carlossaraiva8213
Жыл бұрын
Really? That!s quite interesting.
@lottaraatikainen3942
Жыл бұрын
@@Hrotiberhtaz Well, Estonian isn't a Baltic language.
@artofstormdancing3319
Жыл бұрын
@@lottaraatikainen3942 And Livonians, another Baltic Finn people, used to rule over modern day Latvia. They have been slowly pushing us into a smaller and smaller area. What is now Russia, East from Finland, West from Ural mountains used to be Finno-Ugric through and through. And some people wonder why we want to be Finnish, not part of something that oppressed us centuries (Sweden, and Scandinavians/Germanic people).
@PuppuPosti
5 ай бұрын
Bull shit. Finland has always been considered Nordic Country, never Baltic country. Don`t be ignorant.
@sam_mg
17 күн бұрын
Interesting video! Did you use music from Skyrim as background music? It reminds me of the music they play in the taverns, hehe. Regards from Mexico.
@blacktronlego
11 ай бұрын
I knew that Finland was not considered part of Scandinavia, thanks for a well-presented explanation of why.
@ernue9038
Жыл бұрын
Nicely done video! You introduce the subject neatly and in a comprehensive way! I think that the comment section also proves well the final point of this video in that it is a lot better to simply use the term "Nordic" rather than "Scandinavian". That way one can avoid the never ending and headache inducing debates of whether Finland is Scandinavian or not, since people agree on Nordic but there is no similar agreement on Scandinavian. (In my opinion from cultural, historical and linguistical perspective, Finns are not scandinavian. :))
@joelallonen5501
Жыл бұрын
such a short and wholesome video! ...wait! it continues?!
@Larzh220469
Жыл бұрын
As you correctly point out, the rest of the world should learn to use the term "Nordic countries". "Scandinavia" only makes sense in a purely geographical sense (the peninsula shared between Norway and Sweden), and perhaps a linguistic sense, which would include Denmark (or more precisely, the lands where the "continental" north-Germanic languages of Danish, Norwegian and Swedish are spoken). Geopolitically speaking, there is no such thing as Scandinavia.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
Scandinavia is an ancient Romance contraction (a portmanteau) of SCANia+DINamarca+Noruega. Which is why using the word Scandinavia for the peninsula shared between Norway and Sweden is absurd. Likewise, Icelandic is a North Germanic language, but as opposed to Denmark, Iceland is not a part of Scandinavia, so your "linguistic sense" is a load of nonsense as well. Claiming that "geopolitically speaking, there is no such thing as Scandinavia" is ridiculous. Geopolitically speaken Scandinavia is indeed a cultural region. That´s just a fact. I would suggest that people, rather than indulging in nonsense and misinformation, should simply stop playing experts in things they know nothing about,
@Larzh220469
11 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 Have a good day, Jesper.
@MooseDuckVlogs
3 ай бұрын
Love this I am so glad to learn more of Finland......Hello from Nova Scotia Canada.
@Kyosti5000
Жыл бұрын
First 10 sec had all the facts you needed to hear. Carry on!
@IrishinFinland
Жыл бұрын
Story of your education I take it.....
@fintux
11 ай бұрын
A Finn here. The *real* reason why Finland is not considered a part of Scandinavia but Denmark is, is simply that Norway, Sweden and Denmark want it so. There simply is no coherent argument from linguistics, geography or history. Like thvideo shows actually. There are a bunch of reasons that kinda sorta make Finland different, but it is a mess of rules and exceptions. Geography based on the Scandic mountains would leave Denmark out. Language would include Finland as Swedish has an equal legislative status to Finnish. History would include Finland. Only some cradefinitions like "Scandinavia are the countries and their islands in mainland Europe, where a Swedish-like language is spoken as the only official language" (or alternatively "... with a Swedish-like native language, and which never was under the ruling of Russia"). Or you can simply define Scandinavia as "Sweden, Norway and Denmark". That is arbitrary, yes, but at least it is openly so. Why do Sweden, Denmark and Norway want this definition - maybe that would be a better topic for discussion. I think those countries do still have closer ties. It is easier that the majority of people speak the same language. And I think a small part in the back of many of their minds sees Finns as hillbillies that they do not want to have a strong association with. I'm not saying they actively think this way, but sometimes it shows through I think. But this does leave Finland in a weird limbo: we are not counted in Scandinavia and we are not counted in the Baltic countries. This actually shows often in the scores in the Eurovision song contest, too! Sweden, Denmark and Norway all give top scores to each other, like do the Baltic countries, an we give the top scores often to Sweden, Norway and Estonia.
@cubicajupiter
Жыл бұрын
I am a proud nerd! These videos are like vOdKa to me! Btw, the table at 9:18 reminded me that Spede in in cinemas now, go watch it! (ok... it probably has no English subtitles.)
@chahrazedebdelli
29 күн бұрын
Nice video!
@kasperilindroos2370
Жыл бұрын
The short answer is that a part of Finland is part of Scandinavia and our cultures have intermingled for so long that we're actually culturally very Scandinavian. Technically Finland isn't a Scandinavian country, but it kind of is, though.
@Woffenhorst
Жыл бұрын
That's where the term "Nordic" comes in, to detach those parts of the term, from the geographic and historical baggage.
@Silveirias
Жыл бұрын
We share a lot of similarities with Scandinavian culture, true, but our culture at its roots is not Scandinavian. We do not share the same mythology, and despite Christianity being forced upon us, parts of our native religions were still practiced well into the 1800s. There are still a lot of habits that come from our own culture most people aren't even aware of. The habit of not revealing a child's name until they are baptised is pre-Christian and originally you would not reveal the name until the baby had their first teeth. This had to do with the belief in three souls. People being very modest and unwilling to praise themselves or the things they own is also pre-Christian and has to do with the belief that good fortune is a finite resource. Your good fortune is literally away from someone else. If you show off your good fortune, then someone could get envious and look at you with an evil eye or otherwise try to take your good fortune. This is why people to this day say "oh, it's nothing special, just something I got off of a sale" when you compliment their new shirt.
@farber2
11 ай бұрын
My dad Finish, my mom Scots - Irish. Scandinavia to me seems like the Germanic countries. Finland to me seems more like Eastern Europe.
@butterflies655
7 ай бұрын
Finland is far from eastern Europe. Finland was directly a part of Sweden for over 600 years and got its culture and sivilization through that period. Even today Swedish is the second official language in Finland. Finland🇫🇮 is a Nordic and western country culturally, politically, economically, religiously and geographically with Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸. They are all prosperous countries with a high standard of living. Finland was ranked the best country by World economic Forum conference in Switzerland Davos 2019 and the happiest country six times in a row 2018-23 by World happiness index report and UN. Finland is at the top almost in every category. All the other Nordic countries are among the ten best and happiest countries. Eastern European countries have never achieved that position. Finland was never under communism. Never a part of the Soviet union and never an eastern bloc country.
@TheNismo777
Жыл бұрын
You did good job!
@killerkuuttid1455
11 ай бұрын
My finnish geography teacher told our class that we need to remember that Finland is not part of Scandinavia and if we say it is, we look stupid as everyone knows it's not. Fast forward to the age of the internet and 90% of people is calling Finland Scandinavian. 😂 I don't mind it too much except times when people are bringing up Scandinavia, and I am left wondering if person added Finland into that or not. Are they using term correctly or incorrectly? It's a mystery. 😅 Thank you for the video! Awesome job yet again.
@MegaStara
Жыл бұрын
Erin go bragh! Thank you sir!
@andrewbayada2475
Жыл бұрын
So we'll researched, &, very easy to digest. We'll done mate!
@rursus8354
Жыл бұрын
Scandinavia (from proto-Norse "Skaðin-awjō", believed to mean: 'flat lowland island') is etymologically the same as Skåne (c.f. Old English "Scedenig"). The term is first known from Pliny the Elder. The term is not colloquial, Nordic peoples speak about "Norden" - the North. "Scandinavia" is used in science to refer to the Scandinavian Peninsula, and sometimes about the North East Germanic languages, by the later it has a cultural meaning, but is not very well understood by ordinary people. Finnish and Finland belong to Norden, but they don't *generally* speak an North East Germanic language as a first language. They are kind of "honorary Scandinavians" by speaking Swedish as a second language, but they are regarded as Nordic, because they live in Finland that are partaking in the Nordic Council, and because of the many connections with Sweden.
@troelspeterroland6998
Жыл бұрын
The term *Skaðin-awjō (it is reconstructed, thence the asterisk) is likely to mean "danger island" or "danger peninsula" (or "scathing" peninsula if you will) because of the dangerous reefs on its three corners.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
Wrong. "Skaðin-awjō" is a fantasy word that has never been attested. Which is why it should always be written with a preceding asterix. There´s no evidence that the word "Scandinavia" is of Germanic origin. Scandinavia/Scadinavia is a typical Romance contraction (portmanteau) of SCANia+DINamarca+Noruega and was used on the European continent for what was also called "Codanovia" (COalition de DANemark et NORVÈge). Sweden was never a part of the portmanteau. At the time the Swedish language was simply regarded as a Danish dialect and Uppland and Svealand had status as a provinces, and not independent nations. Iceland was a complete deserted Island at the time, with no population. Also the language of ancient Scandinavia was clearly called "Danske Tunge" according to the oldest Scandinavian sources (Such as the oldest Icelandic text "Fyrsta málfræðiritgerðin"). "Old Norse" was a much later broken dialect of Danish which was spoken primarily in Iceland, the Faroes and some parts of Western Norway and Upper Sweden.
@rursus8354
11 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 "fantasy word" is overly strong wording when it is actually a word reconstructed by linguists based on established sound laws and factual knowledge of the from inscription attested Proto-Norse language. And strong wording is also in discord with the cool Swedish codex of thinking before writing and thinking before speaking.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
11 ай бұрын
@@rursus8354 I´m not Swedish, so you´d have no reasons to assume I´m not thinking before I´m speaking. "Fantasy-word" is a polite term. It is a perfectly fair and decent classification not only because the term "Skaðin-awjō" has never been attested and is nothing but undocumented conjecture. Indeed there is no linguistic basis for the "-awjō"-part where as "-via" interpreted as in "way" could very well explain how the English name for Norway arose. But more importantly the term "Skaðin-awjō" is in conflict with basic Scandinavian grammar and orthography: According to Scandinavian grammar: if the "Scan"-syllable was indeed the root of a Scandinavian term "Scandinavia" IT WOULD CARRY THE STRESS. It´s an indisputable fact that in Norse languages it is the specifying ROOT in basic word constructions that carries the stress: SKÅNelande, SKAGensmalere, SKIBSbyggere, NORDen, etc. The stress is not necessarily carried on the first syllable (as some British and European linguists once imagined) but on the root, none the less: tilSIDEsættende, forSTANDig, iØREfaldende, vedLIGEholde. In Scandinavian languages the stress-carrying root in compounds (incl. abbreviations) can be defined as "the LATEST attached specifier/modifier". This is a functional definition as opposed to the lexical definitions used for Greek and French. English once followed the same - functional - rule ("LICan/aLIKE", etc) until English became Normanized into utter confusion. The problem is clearly that the pronunciation of the term "ScandiNAVia" doesn´t follow the ancient Scandinavian order for basic word-constructions. To the contrary "ScandiNAVia" is perfectly in line with other typical romanic constructions such as Macedonia, Catalonia, Mesopotamia, megalomania and necrophilia. Note the big difference here. "MegaloMANia" does not carry the stress on it´s latest attached specifier as opposed to the Scandinavian word "STORhedsvanvid". considering all this the reconstruction "Skaðin-awjō" surely seems to be utter nonsense and therefore the claim among ignorant linguists that "Scan" is the root of the term "Scandinavia" does indeed reveal their complete lack of knowledge of even the most basic grammar of Scandinavian and old Germanic languages. As I have already hinted at: There´s an exception to the rules both for loanwords and abbreviations containing several equally valid roots (BeneLUX, abC, etc.). Therefore the term "Scandinavia" is either a loanword or a portmanteau, - or both. It´s really that simple. But what no linguists should be able to ignore: There´s strong evidence ("coDANus Sinus" = Kattegat) that the word "CoDANovia" must have had the stress on the second syllable, since the "co-" syllable is a typical romanic prefix that doesn´t carry the stress (as in "comarco", "commerce", etc.) and likewise the "-us"-syllable in "Codanus" is a typical romanic suffix that also never carries the stress either. This analytic insight evidently renders the root as "DANE". This is solid word analysis. Who can argue against that? Now, you try and refute my knowledge-based assessments without descending into senseless "reference to authorities"-logical fallacies and absurd claims of "established sound-laws". Linguists have yet to show they have any profound understanding of Germanic word-constructional grammar and I have yet to find a linguist who doesn´t treat all language as it was simply a mere word-based hybrid-pidgin like his own. A false consensus among thousands of biased linguists doesn´t make utter nonsense true. Why? The proof is in the pudding.
@mricardo96
Жыл бұрын
0:04 haha I like this, had the same idea if I'd have video with the answer there already
@viljanov
Жыл бұрын
Does it matter tho? Is Greece a Balkan country or not? Is Poland Eastern or Central European country?
@DNA350ppm
Жыл бұрын
It is news to me that Finns, native speakers of Finnish, would take offense if you call Finland Scandinavian - from a socio-political perspective Finland surely is part of that same tradition, as even throughout the roughly only *one* century period of Russian rule, Finland was still all the time adminstrated under the same set of laws as during the time when Finland was the eastern part of Sweden. (Ok, there are details to that fact...) Religion, politics, social security, food, pop culture, industry, buildings, and sports - are very much the same. To call Finland a Scandinavian country is not strictly accurate according to some definitions, and Nordic is a more modern concept, as there are more Nordic sentiments and collaboration since the establishment of the Nordic Councel and the Nordic economic collaboration agreements, like the open borders within the Nordic region from 1952. Polls indicated that the vast majority of Swedes and Finns would have preferred a Nordic Union to the European Union, but the politicians manipulated us into the EU disregarding the polls. In Sweden the population regretted this decision immediately after the fact. On the other hand to confuse people - the company SAS or Scandinavian Airlines was founded 1946 as a joint project between Denmark, Norway and Sweden, whereas Finland has "always" had its own company, Finnair, which was founded in 1923. It is often awarded the honor of being the safest flight company in the world. (Not the cheapest, though.) The friendly competition between the Nordic countries makes this region a vital, developing, progressive part of the world. Sweden is considered a big brother that is equally challenged by the four other "siblings", which can occasionally band together against Sweden's cocky attitudes. And that correction is very much needed, haha!
@flyfin108
Жыл бұрын
just think of it, everyone in finnish areas are able to understand each other, we have been country for thousands of years, atleast. anyone saying otherwise is driven with agenda we dont speak scandinavian
@janhanchenmichelsen2627
Жыл бұрын
Up here, the somewhat vague term Scandinavia is mainly used in marketing and when communicating abroad. And, sometimes, about the North Germanic speaking Nordic continuum of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland and even - occasionally - Iceland. But Nordic is the chosen term for a region with many common traits: Mixed marked economies, hi-level democracy, liberal social norms, extensive welfare states and so on. These countries are Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland and of course the various autonomous regions. And maybe Estonia will join the club one day?
@danielmalinen6337
Жыл бұрын
I don't know why someone markets the Nordic countries as Scandinavian countries (whoever does this probably hasn't been awake during geography lessons at school), but when Finland markets the Nordic countries abroad, it is customary to talk about the Nordic countries as they officially are. But maybe others are more relaxed and flexible with these things.
@janhanchenmichelsen2627
Жыл бұрын
@@danielmalinen6337 I’m talking about products. Scandinavian design and so are famous terms. Nordic, not so much.
@danielmalinen6337
Жыл бұрын
@@janhanchenmichelsen2627 When it comes to design, what comes from Finland is strongly marketed as Finnish because we want to emphasize Finland's country brand and recognisability. For example, Alvar Aalto's Savoy vase or Marimekko's patterns are not called Scandinavian design but they are called Finnish design even in the products themselves.
@janhanchenmichelsen2627
Жыл бұрын
@@danielmalinen6337 Yes, I know, also working for a boating magazine. The national pride regarding such premium products is well founded.
@LebowskiDudeful
Жыл бұрын
It is very different from the rest of Nordic countries. Sámi languages are more closely related to Finnish than Estonian. Sharing language and dna with the Sámi does set us apart. That is why it is an atrocity that alcohol is legal, but not cannabis. In these tribal lands not even the amputated are allowed to use cannabis for pain, but are prescribed opium and stronger drugs. We used to have savusauna, the Scythian-style sauna, a tent sauna filled with cannabis. Sauna is accepted as Unesco's heritage, but still we are not allowed to take a sauna the traditional way. Getting caught with half a cigarette means one is punished for the next 70 years by law, should that cigarette be laiden with cannabis. The Irish also have a stronger connection with nature than many other nationalities due to their heritage, so I think the past harsh cannabis laws in Ireland are also very unethical, but Finland is still enforcing them like a teacher's puppet, a model student in the EU. They fine war veterans and amputated and the ms-diseased for it, which means they suffer from that one fine very much as it means they now have been marked down as criminals and are not allowed to drive, travel, work or have children or pain medication when one is old. There is zero legal way to get it from a doctor no matter if you were holding your head detached from your body in your hands and saying this hurts. This means even our brightest, the Einsteinian autists, are cast out of the physics department and out of the entire society, for one medical cigarette for autism, made to collect cans off the street instead and often institutionalised and drugged against their will to make them unable to use their brain power for good as they are seen as the developmentally disabled who have gotten into a crack habbit rather than being sick of an illness for which the only cure known to man is cannabis that removes autism completely for its duration and enables them to present their autistic findings to larger public. Autism means being so painful every day, that the only way to escape the pain is to escape it by studying something for a lifetime. Einstein or not, with that effort one becomes like a rare expert, but is not allowed to free himself from the grips of autistic pain not even for a few hours. Absolutely bonkers I tell you.
@cinderellaandstepsisters
Жыл бұрын
In Finland 's case the language and race are two different matters. Sami ppl have a completely different culture and they are a different race.
@LebowskiDudeful
Жыл бұрын
@@cinderellaandstepsisters Yes they have a different culture, but we speak a language that is mutually almost intelligable. We share things, but of course they are of a different culture, but of the same root. Dna and linguistics prove it. But I wouldn't be studying Sámi, if I didn't believe they don't have nothing to add to my Finnishess. I am Sámi and a Finlander. I believe knowing both strenghtens our indigenous heritage.
@Niko_P_Iskanius
Жыл бұрын
Finland is Also a part of fennoscandia. Fennoscandia = Scandinavia + Finland + North western Russia ( Karelia, and Kola Peninsula)
@huginmunin8253
Жыл бұрын
It depends on defenition, if its geological/geographical then yes if its languages/racial/cultural/political then its debateble, in languages and racial no, political and cultural they have more similarities to Sweden of course some with the others and then you can ad them to scandinavian. But its easier to say nordics.
@carlossaraiva8213
Жыл бұрын
I find the concept of Nordic Countries to be more inclusive and accurate, better highlighting their closeness. These are: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Faroe, Aland, Gotland, Estonia, Scotland, Orkney and Shetland.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
None of these are Nordic: Estonia, Scotland, Orkney, Shetland. None of these are countries: Aland, Gotland. However, you forgot Greenland. It´s a country and it is Nordic.
@carlossaraiva8213
Жыл бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 You, of course, mistake countries for nations. People who post like you always do that mistake. Greeland is not a nordic country, it's a Innui country that is an autonomous region of Denmark situated in North America. Seriously you think you made a grand argument? Seriously? All the countries and nations i mentioned are considered nordics. Deal with it.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
11 ай бұрын
@@carlossaraiva8213 Sorry, but you totally messed it all up. Scotland, Orkney and the Shetlands are British not "Nordic countries". Actually Orkney and the Shetlands are part of Scotland which is part of Britain. Estonia is a Baltic Country and is NOT, as of yet, regarded as a Nordic country. Greenland is indeed a member of The Nordic Council. Maybe you could just bring some receits for your unfounded wild claims before rambling about things you obviously know nothing about. Just a suggestion.
@carlossaraiva8213
11 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 nice try. Cant wait to see Scotland independent so you can make a picachu face on Scotland becoming part of the Nordic Counsil and trashing it's imposed "british" identiry by the english. Snd go yo Shetland and try to tell the l8cals theirs is not a country in its own right, i dare you. Estonia is both a Nordic and Baltic nation. Nations can be two things if they so chose to. Like how Spain is both Western Europe snd Souther Europe. You get it? Your attempt at smart failed. Go back to school.
@davewatson309
Жыл бұрын
Interestingly, for those not acquainted with British naval recruitment techniques in the days of sail, for the lower ranks, was called "press ganging" you were basically taken. The only people in the world inelligible were the Finns
@Silveirias
Жыл бұрын
Sounds fascinating. I've never heard of this before.
@normanclatcher
Жыл бұрын
I'd assume the Portuguese were also exempt. Longstanding friendship and all that.
@Gibbetoo
5 ай бұрын
your video is in AmericansLearn channel, pretty cool.
@Mukation
Жыл бұрын
"Part" of Finland is in the Scandinavian peninsula and culturally they were part of Sweden for 700 years so yeah, there is that.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
Part of the Scandinavian peninsula is outside of Scandinavia. That´s the Finnish part. Part of America used to be part of Sweden.
@JerryHollywood
Жыл бұрын
Finland is not a part of Scandinavia but Finn-Swedes are definitely Scandinavians.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
Nope. They are simply Swedish speaking Finns. Doesn´t make them Scandinavians any more than the Icelanders and the Faroes-folks.
@JerryHollywood
11 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 cultural wise 100%
@CU65LATER
Жыл бұрын
Nordic ski. Nordic skijump etc....If you say Scania it is something else.I suppose.😅
@andriusgimbutas3723
11 ай бұрын
Damn, that's like reverse lord Lambert
@rursus8354
Жыл бұрын
The video arrives at a correct conclusion based on a probably flawed reason. The idea of applying the term "Scandinavian" to the history of Norden is probably wrong, it makes little sense. It's like claiming that all the Nordics are from Funen (the island) and are therefore Funenian, because they speak the same language as the Funen inhabitants.
@veronicajensen7690
Жыл бұрын
In the 4th century CE the Greek explorer Pythea traveled to "Scandiae" in southern Sweden among other places , Pytheas mention of the place in 325 BCE seems to be the first mention of Scandinavia -in the 1st century the Roman Pomponius Mela calls it "Codanovia" where the Roman Pliny the elder calls it "Scatinavia"and the Sea around =Codanovia, around 500 CE the Jordanes used the term "Scandza" about the area where the Goths came from and that was Scandinavia -Ptolemy 90-168 AD used the term "Skandia" about the area -in Norse mythology "Skade/Skadi"
of course it isn't, they have a shared history and finland has many borrowed elements of that culture, but this would also be true of the area east of finland up to the urals
@Bo-Ris-Yel-Tsinx
5 ай бұрын
As a Finn, I'd say that we aren't Scandinavian as it's strictly about geography of the Scandinavian pensinsula + Denmark which make up North Germanic countries and languages. Sure Finland borders two Scandinavian countries of Sweden and Norway and was exposed to their influence throughout thousands years. "Nordic country" suits Finland better as a cultural term.
@sinenkaari5477
Жыл бұрын
For me Finland is and has been lot more a part of Scandinavia than part of Europe. Flags are similar. That's just my opinion, i have never thought us as europeans couse we are back here in north. Would be cool if Scandinavia would form a Scandinavian union of our countries instead of EU that i dislake due to many reasons. Could be just that we are our own thing here. Just Suomi. Paras kieli maailmassa, ei hiljaisia kirjaimia eikä piiloäänteitä.
@Silveirias
Жыл бұрын
It's not a matter of opinion, though. The definition of the term Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. That's it. Finland is not a Scandinavian country. But Finland and Scandinavia are both Nordic. Just because we have a similar flag does not make us Scandis, or then Iceland would be, too. Also, the Scandinavian countries are already part of a political union, which Finland is also part of. It's called the Nordic Council.
@edwardalatalo419
6 ай бұрын
As Finland was part of Sweden about 800 years (As a part of the Viking occupations like in in England) or about 600 years (As an official part of Sweden), how does one decide if Finland has been or was a Scandinavian country? We have a quite interesting geographical and political dilemma here. For sure Finland is not geographically Scandinavia, but it has been a part of a Scandinavian country for over 600 years. All of that time Finland was officially part of the Sweden. Sweden was part of Scandinavia. And yet Finland was not geographically in Scandinavia.
@edwardalatalo419
6 ай бұрын
So Finland might have been a part of a Scandinavian country before. until 1809 because of the annexation.
@mikeh2772
Жыл бұрын
Love it.
@jenniosmonen5202
Жыл бұрын
🎉
@mollyo3558
9 ай бұрын
My Muonio, Finland family lived right on the border of now Sweden and Finland. Not a spec of Swedish blood in our blood. Do have Finnish Sámi blood.
@AverageE36Enjoyer
Ай бұрын
Okay, so absolute geograohy nerds (the ones like me who speedruns everything geography) say finland isnt part of scandavia, but fennoscandia, which is finland, norway and sweden (no denmark lol) which goes on the scandanavian pensinula, which finland is part of. Its complicated
@Joemamma664
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video.. But don't let this distract you from the fact that your belly button was your first mouth
@IrishinFinland
Жыл бұрын
Very true
@Veikko40
Жыл бұрын
Also, please acknowledge the other fact that you all came out from your own butthole.
@Kenruli
11 ай бұрын
Great video! heres my opinion: I kind of think more geographicly and id say Finland itself isnt Scandinavian but see the northern parts of Finland scandinavian so Finland isnt scandinavian but it also is. Same as the region of Kola in Russia (the region bordering Norway that is part of Russia) is also part of Scandinavian peninsula.
@saturahman7510
11 ай бұрын
It is just an area we live in , unfortunally .
@viljanov
Жыл бұрын
It's Fennoscandian.
@ae-jo5gc
Жыл бұрын
Seing all finns in the comment section playing victims is hilarious😂 Image living in a first world country and complaning about how opressed you are. I think it should be mandatory for all finns to live in a 3 world country 6 months to make them understand how good they have it.
@Xoxoxo679
Жыл бұрын
Finland is a nordic country / one of the nordic countries among Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland. Maybe Estonia, too, nowadays?
@turpasauna
Жыл бұрын
Nope. Estonia is def not.
@Xoxoxo679
Жыл бұрын
@@turpasauna hyväksytään 😀
@sonjaristolainen5116
Жыл бұрын
Hello
@karudemctorment1555
11 ай бұрын
Just watch the map. Geographically it is. Tallest fjell of Finland, is Halti, whichs belongs into same mountains as the rest of scandis.. This is very weird argument that Finland wouldn't be a scandinavian country. So it seems that some ppl also mentioned about the same thing.. Sorry about this :)
@apahualpa173
Жыл бұрын
Also to be included in the context, Finland is part of Fennoscandia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennoscandia
@aragorniielessar1894
Жыл бұрын
The map shown of the Russian Empire at 5.49 is wrong, it should include part of Poland, and Kaliningrad (which was called Königsberg) which was part of Prussia/German Empire not the Russian Empire, also the Ukrainian region of Galicia was part of Austria-Hungary and not the Russian Empire and should not be included.
@jonivalkila6382
11 ай бұрын
To complicate matters more, a part of Finland in the far north is on the Scandinavian Peninsula while Denmark makes it to Scandinavia without being on the Scandinavian peninsula. Scandinavian languages are spoken both in Finland and Denmark. So I don't see the logic in calling Denmark Scandinavia but not Finland. Greetings from Helsinki.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
7 ай бұрын
"Scandinavia" is a Roman portmanteau of Scania+Dinamarca used in southern Europe for the "Federation of Scania, Denmark and the Isles". The Scandinavian language was called Dansk Tunge/Dónsk Tungu in the oldest Icelandic text. The only people who can claim to be Scandinavians are those whose linguistic ancestors were once called Danes.
@shailingkhongmalai9515
Ай бұрын
@@jonivalkila6382 finns native language is not Scandinavian. That's what counts. It's like calling Africans french because they speak French.
@JerryCrow
Жыл бұрын
English is so hard and plastic through time, scandinavia does not mean geography in common english. But you're saying that the latinazed north germanic is what determines scandinavia? You explain it quite good it in the video, but to say iceland is not skandinavian is wrong. And there are similar amount of north germanic talking people in iceland, and finland. So as finland didn't exist, rather was a part of sweden untill they started killing peasants -> lead to language as war always does. So don't let the finns tell you they're not swedes first. Why sweden ever got great, was because of finnish hakkapeliittas. Theyre the bastion of the borders, from göteborg to tallin. So saying that finns are not swedish whilst why even sweden is relevant is the finns, yea. So if you just think of the swedes as the swedes, skip the whole who was king that lead to denmark-sweden-norway dissolution from kalmar union concept which is what people mean by skandinavia. But imagine all englishspeakers starting using "north germanic" correctly, rather than "skandinavian" then sure, or using it as what it means: the geographic penninsula. ur welcome for the comment
@IrishinFinland
Жыл бұрын
Nerd
@joukokorhonen7920
Жыл бұрын
Far from Russia - Ireland and UK are quite hard relationships...?
@Alien.Musk666
Жыл бұрын
Ireland was part of Scandinavia but we used lots of boats,rope and musclepower to drag it out where it is now. why? Cause they look weird and if you give showel to one it starts to sleep against the showel immediatly😂
@lavamatstudios
Жыл бұрын
As someone who's never been to Finland or any Scandinavian country, I dunno I still feel like they're kinda Scandinavian.
@freyjasvansdottir9904
Жыл бұрын
Suomi on pohjoinen maa, Finland is a Nordic country.
@JohannesNikitin91
11 ай бұрын
You can say Finland is not Scandinavia, but with what logic our Käsivarsi (in north-west) is not Scandivania... It is!! Ei jjestas näitä videoita taas.
@FrostWolfPack
Жыл бұрын
We are not scandinavians we are our own type as our off cousings from Estonia
@Halli50
11 ай бұрын
In my mind Finland is not really "Scandinavian", both geographically and language-wise. They are, however, solidly NORDIC!
@Caldera01
Жыл бұрын
Uuuhhhh.... I'm sorry, but I feel like you're over thinking this a little, which funnily enough made you miss out on some more basic bits. For example: The hard geographic area of Scandinavia covers a big chunk of Finnish Lapland, so a part of Finland IS physically in Scandinavia. Finland also often groups itself under the Scandinavian banner at various events, so they can hang together with the other Nordic friends instead of choosing to stick alone. If you ask regular Finnish people on the street, a lot of them will say that they're in Scandinavia because geography as you note here is not exactly most people care about all that much and since we have strong cultural and historical (Together with the little bit of geographical tie through Lapland) ties with Scandinavia, many do group Finland together with them. So is Finland in Scandinavia? Well... no, kinda? You're not technically wrong if you say no, but that's just it, it's mostly only technical, which is why we also have the term Fenno-Scandia, which DOES include Finland, which clearly demonstrates just how deep Finnish roots are in Scandinavia, or such a term would not exist at all.
@IrishinFinland
Жыл бұрын
Nerd
@Caldera01
Жыл бұрын
@@IrishinFinland Fair.
@rytkosenjussi
Жыл бұрын
When i was in school i was teached that Finland is part of Skandinavia. Not a single word of Fennoscandia.
@IrishinFinland
Жыл бұрын
That's crazy
@rytkosenjussi
Жыл бұрын
@@IrishinFinlandthats true. In 80-90s school system was pretty good but it also had its fails.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
They still teach it. They defend themselves by simply claiming that it is what "Scandinavia" means in English.
@adambohlin5112
5 ай бұрын
No it is not but it is a Nordic country, Scan=Norway, Sweden Denmark Nordic these 3 plus Finland and Iceland and (Greenland) Danish from the beginning now independent but still partly "Nordic".
@pupper5580
11 ай бұрын
I think we can conclude that the word "scandinavia" makes absolutely no sense in any sense. Not geographically or politically or linguistically. Let's just agree that it's just a special cool kids club of norway sweden and denmark, and everyone else is explicitly excluded.
@amadeuz8161
Жыл бұрын
Lets say that Saami, Finns and relatives occupied almost the whole Scandinavian peninsula before the first Scandinavian people moved to them. Then started the mixing and fighting so we were left with the border we have today. Like if a Swede insults me by saying that I am Scandinavian then I usually tell them about the gene maps that shows that the people in central Sweden shares pretty similar genes with us and the Estonians. You can still find maps that shows why and that there was not long ago big areas left of fin speaking people in central Sweden but now they are Swedes with Fin genes also(if it was the other way around you would see the similarities in Norway and Denmark also, plus northern and southern Sweden). Saami still live in Swe and Nor. So if you go by culture we are not Scandinavian and if you look at geography then we are more Scandinavian than Denmark(our arm, the head and the backside is within the peninsula touching the most northern part of our breast. Hard to find a real map when all seem to be stpd guesses but once I saw one without the country borders to confuse people) . If you look at Sweden its just finns that turned to rainbow colored folk and lost their Sisu. Use Nordic countries because many finns will be insulted if you say they are Scandinavian and if you talk about Scandinavia you leave others out. At least when I speak about Scandinavian I speak about the language/culture they belong to so I include those islands outside the peninsula. Never seen the Scandinavian word according to what Sweden once made it to be when they chose that only Denmark, Sweden and Norway should be included in the word. There's a reason why fennoscandia was used, I assume the finns back in the old days didn't like to be called scandinavians. We have mixed but we ain't still related like the countries in UK but still its like UK would be called England when you call the Nordic countries Scandinavia. Like people understand what you are talking about but still some can take it as an insult(and the swedes get roused because you include others). Its old silly history that really has no real meaning anymore except that we can use it against each other if we wanna argue. Still use the word Nordic countries, that word unites us while those old words doesn't have the same effect.
@amadeuz8161
Жыл бұрын
Then there was Scandinavian people in Finland before Sweden existed just to make it a bit more complicated. Just tell your friends, The Nordic countries.
@amadeuz8161
Жыл бұрын
Now I feel bad for leaving out the Baltic countries so soon we might include them also so then you can't use Nordic countries anymore :D
@cinderellaandstepsisters
Жыл бұрын
Sami ppl inhabited Nordic countries before finns came there. Finns are completely different ppl and have completely different cultures. Actually Norway has got the biggest number of Sami's. Sweden is the second and Finland has the smallest number of them.
@amadeuz8161
Жыл бұрын
@@cinderellaandstepsisters We are the same people, like ffs they have proved it with gene tests!!! Yes our languages are also related so yes we are the same people none of us are indo european. Yes finns have been influenced by indo european cultures more than the Saami. Like when they wrote down the texts for Kalevala it was hard to find good sources so most came from eastern parts that had been less influenced by indo european cultures.
@amadeuz8161
Жыл бұрын
@@cinderellaandstepsisters For the "who came first to finland" there is multiple theories. One is that the Saami took the northern path while the finns were even the first ones in Europe and so on. One theory is that we came about the same time, Saami northern path and Finns through Karelia(Estonians say Estonia). Some stpd Russian theory is that we magically just appeared here after that the Russian empire already existed. The sad thing is that Russians and the church have destroyed so much that even if there is like 8000 year old finds some argue its not finns(I do not remember the exact year anymore but it was something between 7000-9000 so 8000 is in the middle). While the route the Saami took has had less indo european extermination so the historians can be more sure about that.
@Robert-gc9gc
Жыл бұрын
Nerds assemble here, I guess I'm a nerd
@joukokorhonen7920
Жыл бұрын
Its not! Geographic no, language no, laws yes, political systems yes, religion yes...semi scandinavia... we are not swdish, we dont never be russians - so we are finns!
@kuga_4038
Ай бұрын
Still relevant btw
@johansvideor
Жыл бұрын
Of course it is. Or not. Or both. But the whole question is stupid and annoys me a lot. Scandinavia is more of a geographic or geological definition coming from the Scandic mountain range. But culturally, historically and legally Finland is part of the Nordic countries more than anything else. The concept of separating the Nordic countries into Scandinavia and dividing them up that way doesn't make any sense and doesn't have any purpose. To what end, you have to ask? Today the Nordic countries or Nordics is a better definition to use. I don't mind that English speakers use the word Scandinavia when they mean the Nordics. (But there is always some nitpicker pointing out how wrong that is).
@jesperlykkeberg7438
11 ай бұрын
Scandinavia was always a political term. "Codanovia" is a 2000 years old Latin abbreviation of "Confoederatio Dania-Norwegia". Likewise "Scadinavia" is a 4th century West-Romance portmanteau of Scania-Dinamarca-Noruega. Scandinavia was always East-Denmark, West-Denmark and Norway. Sweden was never part of the portmanteau. Sweden only began to claim to be a Scandinavian country in the 19th century.
@vesarintamaki2712
11 ай бұрын
Scandinavians are indoarabs and speak latin dialect.
@cinderellaandstepsisters
Жыл бұрын
The only difference between Finland and Scandinavia is that Finland has got more ppl with blue eyes and blond hair.
@svenderikjrgensen5335
11 ай бұрын
No Norwegians are also like that.
@eskokauppila1327
11 ай бұрын
"...gunsbringing is a big sin but we he have pure ireland in this case music is more than war
@BrandonKettunen-ft9hs
Жыл бұрын
Yes'nt
@grimoire7851
Жыл бұрын
is and estonia
@yoretabio4537
11 ай бұрын
Denmark + Norway + Sweden = Scandinavia (3), Scandinavia + Finland + Iceland = Nordic countries (5)
@vesarintamaki2712
11 ай бұрын
Scandinavians and others have moved into finnish land ( europe) ... they all have finnish genes , finnish finnish have only finnish genes , the oldest genes and oldest language : a world indigenous population . Blue eyes come only from finnish people.
@teemusalomaa6496
Жыл бұрын
why u r wrong, sweden and nordic and ur ireland was part of old finns area, thats even why ur appereance lmao, watch map where is the center of redheads and blue/green eyes... sweden and norway was hijacked by gothchristianity 900-1100ad... learn history and stop talking nonsense...
@IrishinFinland
Жыл бұрын
If you don't like this video you should have not commented, by commenting you have increased my chances of been seen by more people, So I think a thank you very much for watching my video AND commenting is in order, Thank you 🙏🏻
@qwineth
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, obviously - though tbh, the whole concept of Scandinavia is illogical: it's not about geography (Denmark and northernmost Finland) and not about language either (Iceland and Finland Swedes plus the Sami).
@jesperlykkeberg7438
7 ай бұрын
It is indeed about language. Scandinavians are those whose language used to be called Dansk Tunge. That´s why the Samis, the Finns and the Icelanders aren´t included.
@qwineth
7 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 But are Finnish Swedes and Icelanders included if it'a about language?
@jesperlykkeberg7438
7 ай бұрын
@@qwineth Even if the Finnish-Swedes are included as Scandinavians it doesn´t make Finland a Scandinavian country because Finnish is the predominant language in Finland. The Roman term Scandinavia was re-introduced by the Danes in the 1700´s. Hans Christian Andersen saw Danes, Norwegians and Swedes as one people whom he called Scandinavians. Even though Iceland belonged to the Danish Kingdom, Icelanders weren´t included since their language is descended from Norrön, which notably lacks the ancient Danish articles "en/et", which Danish, Swedish and Norwegian have preserved. The oldest Icelandic text refers to Dónsk Tungu, which was the Icelanders´ name for the contemporary language spoken and written by the Danish doctor Henrik Harpestræng who lived in the 1100´s. Danish, Norwegian and Swedish are today all equally close to the language of Henrik Harpestræng, where as Icelandic is widely different. But it´s also about geography, of course since we have decided that the geographic definition of Scandinavia is Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Does that seem arbitrary on a map? Perhaps, but so do most geographic definitions, including Europe, Asia, etc.
@qwineth
7 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 I'm not arguing that Finland would be a Scandinavian country, why would I do that? Just that the term Scandinavian is largely ethnic-cultural and not very logical, very 19th century in fact. The Swedish and Norwegian Sami are then not Scandinavian, but living in Scandinavia, some sort of honoured guest workers?
@jesperlykkeberg7438
7 ай бұрын
@@qwineth "Very 19th century in fact". Lol, no. The exclusion of the Norwegian Sami from being regarded as Norsemen is absolutely nothing new. That thing goes back like FOREVER and is attested in the oldest of texts. According to Ohthere of Hålogaland, a Norwegian tradesman and seafarer who lived in the "nordmest" (most northern part) of "Norweg" in the 800´s, the Norwegian Sami are "Finnar" and not "Nordmanna". The Sami´s were never "guestworkers" but mostly lived in the northern inlands ("Finnmarken") as reindeer herders. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohthere_of_H%C3%A5logaland
@3mp69
Жыл бұрын
If anything this just explains why finland is scandinavian or if not then neither is denmark. // swedishspeaking finn (who calls himself scandinaivian)
@jesperlykkeberg7438
Жыл бұрын
Codanovia (Latin portmanteau) = COnfoederatio DANia NOrVegIA. Scadinavia (Romance portmanteau) = SCAnia DINamarca Noruega Denmark and Norway is part of the portmanteau "Scandinavia" in all versions. Neither Finland or Sweden is.
@TheBarser
11 ай бұрын
It is not as simple as geography. Scania where the term comes from is literally the homeland of the danish people.
@dennislindqvist8443
Жыл бұрын
Then you can argue that Denmark is not part of the Scandinavian peninsula, but part of Finland is. "Nordic" sounds good to me although there will always be people who say "Scandinavians" when they talk about Finnish people but I don't mind, we all get along fine these days.
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