I mean... Bastion was literally created for war so yeah... He is a 10/10
@cartermchugh4017
3 ай бұрын
my argument is those are all omnics, while genji isnt, he has human parts, he rated ball a 10/10 cause he was an animal encased in metal, while the omnics skin is metal
@wh1msical796
3 ай бұрын
@@cartermchugh4017 well with genji, a lot of the metal on him is infused with his skin. So unlike ball, if it gets damaged, he can't just take it off and it counts as his main body being wounded.
@cartermchugh4017
3 ай бұрын
@@wh1msical796 i mean there really isnt that much of him thats skin, like one arm a little bit of his face, his brain heart and reproductive organs are really all thats left and theres metal covering all of it
@scuffed_z
3 ай бұрын
ram and orisa are too
@alfieravenguard4594
3 ай бұрын
However, Bastion is still, in the context of Overwatch, basically world war tech. So more advanced models might be able to trump him just for tech superiority than bastion is (Idk new overlore so in my knowledge Bastion is still wandering the woods after waking up for decades and damaged by overgrowth without repair, another weakness)
@fl00fydragon
3 ай бұрын
All I heard was "Abandon the weakness of the flesh, embrace the strength and certainty of steel"
@Jackson-ub1uv
3 ай бұрын
Literally just the origin of the Cybermen
@fl00fydragon
3 ай бұрын
@@Jackson-ub1uv Transhumanism can go either way It's up to us if we'll use it to emancipate humanity from the cruel chains of the inadequacies of the evolutionary process or use it to perpetuate the lot it forced us in. However, not attempting at all is singing our own death sentence. The universe has one constant: you either advance and live, or you stagnate and die.
@Jackson-ub1uv
3 ай бұрын
@@fl00fydragon Again, that's Cyberman logic. Whilst I agree that augmentation _could_ be a good idea, if done properly and ethically, it should _not_ come at the cost of a person's emotions, free will, or quality-of-life. The way you've presented your arguement is _exactly_ the same as what was used in World Enough and Time; a city full of people dying from genetic defects and poor living conditions has its citizens forcibly experimented on to "prepare them for a world not made for flesh", resulting in mute, faceless, shambling patients living in _constant_ agony and wishing for death. To make things worse, the surgeons and technicians working on the project don't try to make the conversion process less invasive or painful, instead creating a device that "won't stop the pain, but makes you not care about it" by removing your emotions. Is _that_ something you want to advocate for?
@fl00fydragon
3 ай бұрын
@@Jackson-ub1uv Ok, let me put memes aside and explain exactly what I and the vast majority of transhumanists want. Also, sorry for the long post in advance, but it takes space to explain. First biases: For one I have personally experienced the kind of prison a human body can be to a human consciousness and it's well being and free will. Both becasue I am trans and I was in a society that forced me in a closet and because my body has other problems that reduce my qualtiy of life without being major health issues. I also have family members whose body has made their existnace pure torture for themsevles and their children taking care of them. That's the basis of my bias. With that out of the way I shall explain my position I do not want to violate free will or emotions I want them to flourish, same with self expression and quality of life. I simply see gthe human body as far too limited a platform to accomplish that. The vast majority of transhumanists believe in something called "morphological liberty" this concept means that a person should be free to modify their own body as they see fit so long as it's not a product of coercion and there is informed consent. The goal is for each person to become the truest version of themselves. In addition other goals of transhumanist thought are a massive increase in quality of life, that is believed to be impossible because evolution operates on a "It works well enough to pass genes to the next generation, no need or care how the flesh bad feels about it" basis regardless if you are a human or a worm. Trust me, this is in my field of expertise, the lists of nonsensical "well enoughs" at the top of my head would fill in another comment this long. Finally I see it as any other medical advancement: Morally justified If you can make technology that can eliminate sources of suffering like disease, disability, aging, etc then in my opinion it's a moral imparative you develop it. Not developing a medicine out of fear of it's misuse as people who would have fulla nd fulfilling lives with it suffer and die is monstrous to me. Please remember that science fiction is not a reflection of how technology will work in reality, it's almost always an allegory of problems of the today. The allegory of that episode is how a sopciety that's single mindedly trying to acheive a goal in a top down form will make tools out of it's people with no humanity left, something we've seen time and again in fascist regimes and in discatorships like north korea. Now, I am not saying all scientific research is good. If you want to scruitinize a field of scientific research there is one that deserves it: weapons R&D. The research in that field turn war into an ever evolving hell that drains the humanity of those involved in it. In short More transhumanist R&D and more emancipation of humanity down to teh individual level Less weapons research that turn the world into hell for petty power grabs final edit: this is why despite me being in favor of such tech I am actually against one of these projects: neuralink. Not only is it shoddy, outdated by 10-17 years when compared to other BCI and meant to make profit over all else. The man owning it has shown a complete lack of respect for free will.
@Jackson-ub1uv
3 ай бұрын
@@fl00fydragon Ok, fair enough. I understand wanting to be better than what you are, just as long as nothing gets sacrificed in the process.
@Tesemer999
3 ай бұрын
Genji doesn't need armor. He needs healing
@nivocz769
3 ай бұрын
As a mercy main i can asure you... I am not chasing that maniac around the map i have other people to save
@Roman_the_black_cat
3 ай бұрын
And a nerf.
@GoofyGuyDJ
3 ай бұрын
dw as a mercy main i stay loyal to my genji
@genghiskhan6809
3 ай бұрын
@@GoofyGuyDJSame. Genji can really do his thing when he has a pocket.
@VSN-wb2ly
3 ай бұрын
Did someone just say Nerf? 🗣️🗣️🔥
@josephcometa1992
4 ай бұрын
Bastion is a 10 because he's a combat bot so his external frame is an armor alloy same with Orisa. Combat model Omnics have an inherent advantage over non-combat models because they're COMBAT models.
@user-ev2nj6dj7e
3 ай бұрын
Don’t forget that bastion in ow2 was upgraded by torb which is why he’s so much better than the other models
@friheten9081
3 ай бұрын
Yeah but how would they be able to defeat floaty robo Jesus
@3plate
3 ай бұрын
Nerd
@sagolius
3 ай бұрын
@@friheten9081they can't, he wins every time
@PR0F3T69
3 ай бұрын
Nah i'd win
@shrxpnel5788
3 ай бұрын
Difference between them is Genji is a Cyborg. He has human organs. Most of the others are Omnics and are literally just robots.
@Greenfire_
3 ай бұрын
Sojourn a Cyborg too
@thexplazer6549
3 ай бұрын
Hey um you know omnics is what the robots are called right? Genji isn't an omnic he's just a Cyborg EDIT: I just remembered that omnocs are specifically robots with free will and intelligence, however your comment implies that cyborgs other than Genji are considered omnics, if I am miss reading/understanding I know I look like this ☝️🤓
@shrxpnel5788
3 ай бұрын
re-read what i typed.
@130pawel
3 ай бұрын
Omnics have a soul. Or that's at least what Zen thinks.
@Merilirem
3 ай бұрын
@@130pawel *Shoots your Soul*
@myegg6585
3 ай бұрын
How did bro not even talk about reinhardt, he alone is an absolute unit.
@provaricus627
3 ай бұрын
“That’s why these characters were absent from the first video”
@onlinemenace
3 ай бұрын
@@provaricus627But Rein is a human wearing armor. No metal implants or whatever.
@mrfancyshmancy
3 ай бұрын
@@onlinemenace''that's why they were absent from the first vid''.
@FlyingForth
3 ай бұрын
@@onlinemenaceIs it really that hard to understand?
@hue_lord_4208
3 ай бұрын
because he's not made of metal???
@siegfried1422
3 ай бұрын
Genji and Zen demonstrate why just being made of metal isn't a good metric because even though they are made of metal, they're not heavily armored. One is covered in metal prosthetics and the other is a robot, but they're not intended to handle direct punishment like Reinhardt
@omarsali2990
3 ай бұрын
275 hp zen would beg to differ
@VitorSilva-ee7vb
3 ай бұрын
@@omarsali2990100 HP only. The rest is shield. Without his shield absorbing damage he would be the frailest hero.
@omarsali2990
3 ай бұрын
@@VitorSilva-ee7vb his shield doesn't absorb damage it just regenerates fast But he's still fragile It wont stop me from going frontline tho
@VitorSilva-ee7vb
3 ай бұрын
@@omarsali2990 It still absorbs 175 damage. My point is more gameplay translating into lore, that damage hitting Zen’s unshielded body is very dangerous. Of course with Zen the powerhouse if you go in and kill who is shooting you first, you won’t have to worry about taking damage.
@HeraldOfOpera
3 ай бұрын
@@VitorSilva-ee7vb If you mention Zenyatta without his mystical shield you also have to mention D.Va without the MEKA. But that still illustrates the point; when the only character less capable of taking body blows than you is a gamer stereotype you are clearly not armored by any reasonable definition.
@a_game_nub6884
4 ай бұрын
Honestly it should be based on how robust their frame is. If the metal is thick enough and has enough room for key components to be safely contained then that would be 10/10. In a sense how we determine tank armor. Bastion and Otis’s are 10/10 because they have thick and robust frames, while echo and zen have most there key components in relitivly thinly armored areas
@cronusciller2124
3 ай бұрын
but echo is made by a genius inventor in the future, so it’s honestly hard to say her armor is thin, because she may just have very small electronics, and her shell might be super strong
@faebees5793
3 ай бұрын
It mightalso help to take into account how exposed joints are too
@wingedbluj1674
2 ай бұрын
Bastion, Orisa, Echo, and Ramattra are all built for combat, while Zen was a civilization model.
@wisemankugelmemicus1701
2 ай бұрын
Ok but if we're being serious, futuristic robots slaughter medieval knights. The mfers couldn't even last two generations against pike and shot formations.
@Leporidae1
3 ай бұрын
Genji isnt all metal his fleshy bits are covered though
@grim-xi4vb
3 ай бұрын
Confirmed by the developers, that Genji did not lose his "thing" when turn to cyborg so he also would only be a 9/10 Edit: I would just like to mention that this is my second most liked comment I've ever made and it's about Genji's ...
@NotSoMax
3 ай бұрын
I’d argue you can still rate fully armored characters, you just have to consider it beyond just coverage, ie how is the armor laid out, how much protection would it actually offer, range of motion, how well it’d deflect/absorb impacts, etc.
@THERATSANDTHERATS
3 ай бұрын
Orisa, Ram, Genji, and Bastion, Sojourn are primarily combat baded machines or cybernetics, Zen and other normal Omnics would be far lower in defense as a result of just being a normal guy in robot terms, more durable than a human, certainly FAR weaker then a Bastion
@PhatBean
3 ай бұрын
The thing is, with genji is that there's a squishy human body underneath the metal
@Its_Squiddd
4 ай бұрын
good job you listed all ten out of tens
@pubberhubber3462
3 ай бұрын
Try to punch zen in the face and see how well he takes it
@A.Singularity
3 ай бұрын
@@pubberhubber3462he'd make you repent
@smallertoast8806
3 ай бұрын
@pubberhunbber3462 considering that a widow fully powered sniper shot didn't dent Mondatta's head in the cinematic "Alive" I'd say that any normal person would break their hand before any real damage would be done to Zen.
@Its_Squiddd
3 ай бұрын
lmao why are we talking abt punching zen in the face hes just a little guy dont do that
@helge5565
3 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t be surprised is Echo and Rammattra were also made of plastic or other synthetic materials
@vhirtue0594
3 ай бұрын
Ram is a combat bot but also a commander so could be a bit lighter than something like bastion even though I doubt it he is a tank
@dalton2592
3 ай бұрын
Rammatra has Nemesis form covering 80% of his body, and Echo can transform
@painapple796
3 ай бұрын
"It goes in the square hole" vibes
@kagomagica
3 ай бұрын
The issue with robots is that their vitals are not only easily accessed by their standards of weapondry, but jounts are often prone to damage. Wedge a good sword through their and you remove one of their limbs that could contain countless or wven their only form of weaponry.
@Misadventuresofcamreaboy
3 ай бұрын
Yes. This makes sense. The perfect armor is, in reality, to become *only* armor.
@korribreki
3 ай бұрын
I don't think Echo is fully metal. She's not meant to take damage. She is meant to be as light as possible so I'd think she's partially carbon fiber and the metals she's made out of are probably mostly light metals like aluminum
@Muuony
3 ай бұрын
Rammattra is a 20 out of 10 he has 12 feet armor for his already armor body
@THEDR0NEZ0NE
3 ай бұрын
You underestimate the amount of thermite i have
@ikhlasulkamal5245
3 ай бұрын
He missed the opportunity to say "Even his balls are made out of metal"
@bubblestar2007
3 ай бұрын
If you look at ow1 genji he actually has plate on some parts where he's still human under the metal frame
@robbieboydudeguy
3 ай бұрын
Once it’s not a question of flesh being a weak point, the next biggest weak points would be exposed joints or uncovered wire on top of their frames. If Echo’s joints aren’t reinforced/don’t have their own armor layer, points taken off 💥
@nivocz769
3 ай бұрын
🛡️"REINHARD READY FOR COMBAT!"🛡️
@dely9999
Ай бұрын
"From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh" moment
@dogfoodwaster9165
3 ай бұрын
Most definently! I need this fully fleshed out lol.
@Dr.Maggothead
3 ай бұрын
I think you could take a point to thickness of limbs or protection of joints as either thin parts connecting one to another or joints that are an easy target
@jacobwilson9099
3 ай бұрын
Genshis armor is designed to block 1 or 2 bullets or blades when he makes a mistake which makes sense for his character so I would give it a 10
@Ismael.arnais.skibiditoiletfr
3 ай бұрын
bro is majestic
@kyotheva9718
3 ай бұрын
I main every single omnic and i love them.
@BenisJones
2 ай бұрын
“When I discovered the weakness of my flesh. I was disgusted”
@dratmin8018
3 ай бұрын
Echo looks like a good rock through could tip her over. Maybe not crack or even harm, but cause her to loose balance.
@naevis_ow2
8 күн бұрын
genji doesn't have armor, he IS the armor 💀
@tidohoogenboom6084
3 ай бұрын
You could also rate on what alloy it is paired with the thickness of the plating infront of vital organs/wiring
@FIRE_BOMB1
3 ай бұрын
There is a big difference between different metals especially with alloys designed to protect from damage
@filip-pz2dx
28 күн бұрын
The day i understood the weakness of my flesh it discusted me
@mothiskobeni
18 күн бұрын
there is actually meat under the metal on genji tho
@skwooks1116
17 күн бұрын
It could be measured on how effective the metal is at protecting the vital computing parts. Example zenyada would rank low becuse he is quite skinny and there isnt alot protecting his vital circuits. Orisa on the other hand will rank higher because of how bulky she is witch is just exra armor on the vital circuits.
@marktursukow3976
2 ай бұрын
Fun fact: genjis lower body (legs and crotch) are still intact. But he wears some kind of sweatpants over them in the ov2 design.
@dejanbeep6293
2 ай бұрын
You could judge them on weak spots not covered by armor (like bastion sentry mode having many exposed "joints")
@exsision3039
3 ай бұрын
"Thats right, it goes in the square hole"
@RNVG269
17 күн бұрын
You can delve deeper instead of just saying there’s metal here so it’s automatically good
@BioshockDrill
15 күн бұрын
Metal deflect weapon. Armor made of metal. If made of metal, hard to break.
@groundcontrol0597
2 ай бұрын
Literally all of thes characters aren't just "made out of metal" they were specifically designed or modified for combat purposes. The only one that could possibly not be is Zenyatta, but i dont remember if his type of omnics were made for war or service or whatever.
@ENDtredecim
3 ай бұрын
If you do more video game armor, could you take a look at the different keyblade armors from Kingdom Hearts?
@jasoneclipse7828
3 ай бұрын
Orrisa, and Echo are both M.O.M material
@blazeedge1631
2 ай бұрын
My brother in christ, Zenyatta worked at a laser tag arena.
@eagle6161
2 ай бұрын
Bros hacking 💀
@Adonis-qb5ze
3 ай бұрын
from the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh...
@dweagon
18 күн бұрын
orisa being 10/10 is lore accurate cuz of fortify
@calebwulfe9921
2 ай бұрын
I think you could still rate based on armor placement and coverage of there more fragile parts, joints mainly
@willjapheth23789
2 ай бұрын
I think you could grade them somewhat because of all those exposed joints could definitely be a vulnerability.
@gunamari5215
3 ай бұрын
Thing is tho the omnics are omnics which means the metal is their flesh so technically they could be like a 5 out of 10 or something for lack of armor but having an advantage for being made of metal
@jameskelley8307
2 ай бұрын
The thing about genji is that he still has flesh under that metal armout lool at his blackwatch outfit. There is flesh. The other characters you pointed out were omnics. Robots that are made of metal, they arent wearing armour, they are the armour.
@yourbritishnarrator1148
3 ай бұрын
To be fair both bastion and ramattra were made for war, and orisa was i repurposed war drone. Echo was made with the intention of protecting and learning so yeah and zen has the power of a machine god so yeah
@archieoconnor7509
2 ай бұрын
Bastion is a walking turret
@NoobsontheImperialFist
3 ай бұрын
"From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me, i craved for the strength and certainty of steel."
@deadlywolf6110
3 ай бұрын
I mean, tbf, giant metal balls are also a pretty good deterrent against attackers
@baggelissonic
2 ай бұрын
You can still judge how weak and unprotected the joints are. You can also judge how mobile they are as some of them don't have full range of motion.
@ThatNakuraGuy
17 күн бұрын
Genji is not made out of metal he is a cyborg he has a metal body that is used as an armor to protect the rest of his flesh body
@braydenburton7314
2 ай бұрын
Genji actually is a human covered in armor the reason why is because of the injuries that he got from his brother but I completely understand the thought and reason behind saying he’s just a robot at first I was confused but I understand :)
@pathfinderelegante6986
3 ай бұрын
Imagínate que se atasque algo en el brazo de genji brazo mientras recarga
@Mr_cosmic404
2 ай бұрын
I still think we need more omnic heroes maybe even Maximilien but that is a long lost hope
@Eyes3210-pk6rd
Ай бұрын
I would say it would be easier to rank the Monica if we knew where their main circuit boards and stuff were that would be like “vital organs”
@coltonturbville3851
3 ай бұрын
Genji and Sobjurn are equal in ways. While they have mechanical parts, they still have organic parts remaining as well
@murlocrj3108
3 ай бұрын
To be fair Genji is a humam underneath so his vital organs are all covered.
@user-fx5hj9wd9l
Ай бұрын
Nah monk gets no scoped in the god damn short film, widowmaker got that 360 on his ass 💀
@Fredy--
4 ай бұрын
I feel like if a charcetr is wearnibg armor you have to account for cybernetics if youre gonna rate their armor at all. You cant deduct points for them having cybernetics.
@the10lbturkey
3 ай бұрын
See, but Genji’s really is armor… there is a man under there, it’s not just completely metal, so… not that my opinion matters, just thought I’d add
@BEEEEEEZ
2 ай бұрын
Genji isn’t made of metal. He is still a human in a suit of metal
@Nokijola
2 ай бұрын
The bastion lego skin is 11/10
@Captions-Eric
3 ай бұрын
Shapes are ballisticly important for armor just because it’s metal doesn’t mean a glancing blow is just as effective as a meat shot eg semi parallel vs perpendicular
@kraken8644
3 ай бұрын
Ohhh it’s for armor I got confused for a sec
@spritezAllManaged
20 күн бұрын
Machines do have vital points. A servo or an actuator are often weaker than the rest of the body. Silicon is brittle and vulnerable too. A main control wire is also a vulnerability. Jamming a piece of metal or other material in a joint could render it completely immobile. I suggest judging the armour effectiveness of robots based on how well the weaker components of their body are protected. Also luv the content!
@lordreega8994
26 күн бұрын
zenyattas big balls protect him
@Calmite
2 ай бұрын
Just rate it on its angling, it’s made to withstand projectiles after all
@notabot3236
3 ай бұрын
I see no issues these are all 10/10. Edit: I have misunderstood the rankings
@grymohoi9923
3 ай бұрын
I think he wanted to refer to the fact that he still has falsh and has that metal to protect him or something.😅
@sauldimas7009
17 күн бұрын
My bro rated genji's butt instead of his armor
@Winter_Chill_
2 ай бұрын
doesn't matter if they are made out of metal, Bastion has a bunch of panels... but almost all his joints are exposed. Just because these guys have circuits and cables instead of guts and squishy stuff, doesn't mean they can't also be exposed to easy damage where armour isn't covering
@r3ktfox146
3 ай бұрын
Omg the characters with metal reinforcements and those who are literal robots would be well armoured?! Omg that's crazy, who would've thought
@user-mh9qz4qi1f
4 ай бұрын
can you do halo and warhammer 40k
@Jacobtheoneandonly428
3 ай бұрын
I would do based of if there joints and stuff were hidden or not
@seanstone749
26 күн бұрын
Did none of you guys see what happened to Mondatta???
@rabidgengar
2 ай бұрын
My only argument for bastion, is when he's turret form; his crit box is on his back and glows. I feel like that's an easy way to get killed so should maybe dock a point 😅
@Dootalt
18 күн бұрын
For one literally made of metal of any other substance, I’d say rate it by how strong that material is.
@sacreddatura1399
25 күн бұрын
There is nuance and other factors to consider. Genji is a human cyborg so his whole body literally is armour, he still has most of his vital organs intact under the suit. There are other skins for him where you can see exactly what parts are still skin and what parts are fully robotic, so considering in his main design that he’s all metal it is 10/10 armour coverage. For characters like Orisa and Bastion, they’re literally war machines who are built to go into battle with guns and lasers. They’re both 10/10 armour. But characters like Zenyatta, Ramattra, and Echo aren’t built for war like that and their “vital organs” are pieces of hardware. Their exposure to the outside world is similar to humans because where a human can be shot in the heart, they can be shot in their mother board of smthn so they also need actual armour which they don’t really have. Echo has forcefields I think? If I remember correctly? So her armour should be like 4/10 since it’s pretty effective but not actually covering her at all, then Zenyatta is like 1/10 because he’s just wearing fabric pants and nothing else, and ramattra is a tank so he doesn’t need quite as much coverage so maybe another 4/10.
@classiqq3
3 ай бұрын
I think Orisa and Bastion get free passes because i’m pretty sure theyre both classified as tanks (as of the first game, havent played the second one)
@I_Like_Hampter
3 ай бұрын
orisa rammatra and bastion are war omnics so they are 10's sojourn only has the legs and arms as metal so like 6 out of 10 Genji has more metal then sojourn but his metal was put on by zen who likely didn't choose heavier and stronger metal so I'd also say 6-7 out of 10 and zen and echo were never made for fighting so id put them at 5-6 out of 10
@gabodevilmaycry22
2 ай бұрын
Echo, smash, next question
@talortulk-ug9yh
4 ай бұрын
Sojourn is all metal exterior one of her emots shows that
@A_Typhlosion
3 ай бұрын
Tbf, Orisa and bastion are designed for combat, with bastion's plating begin designed to work in multiple configurations.
@invadee3179
2 ай бұрын
Genji still has fleah underneath so his armour is actually protecting skin unlike the robots
@rings2085
24 күн бұрын
In the Blackwatch skin, we know how much of Genji is now cybernetics. Its a large part of his torso, lower body, and a bit of his head. So all of that? 10/10. The rest? Considering how his body is basically broken, it might be like a 5. But idk your rating process lol, i just got here
@aidenzorn8322
3 ай бұрын
This is a crazy smash or pass
@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa0
3 ай бұрын
the difference is genji has human parts with the metal. genji's body is flesh covered with metal while the omnics like zen or bastion's bodies are the metal itself
@paddy1144
3 ай бұрын
He’s in a tracksuit but yeah 10/10
@someperson46
3 ай бұрын
See the thing is, a vehicle is made out of metal and can still be armored, therefore you must differentiate what is armor and what is the minimal metal plating for something that is made of metal
@lasercts257
3 ай бұрын
Genji is a cyborg he is genuinely wearing Armour on some parts
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