The ultimate superintelligent being that commands to be loved and worshipped......under pain of eternal torture for non compliance. That's some super intelligence you got there.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
Randy -- God's nature is a different question from whether He exists or not. How do you explain our universe without a Creator God? If you have a scientifically defensible one, you win!
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@Jim Merrilees OK -- what are the initial conditions of your infinitely large and infinitely old universe? Was it concentrated? Was it diffuse? What temperature was it at?
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@Jim Merrilees You claimed the universe is infinitely large and infinitely old, right?
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@Jim Merrilees What claim have I made that you question? I've explicitly said maybe there is NO God, but then we still have a universe that needs an explanation.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@Jim Merrilees No, my question is how we explain the universe that definitely is around us? How do YOU explain it? A scientific explanation would be preferable to God, IF you have one.
@nwachukwushekinah3797
2 жыл бұрын
Weird to see nick bostrom in beard
@aidagomezpineda
6 ай бұрын
This lady is confident and sure you can see her peace that she knows Jesus Christ that’s awesome the other guy he has a very hard time he’s unsure and it’s kind of scary! Believe in the gospel believe in the only truth, savior who is able to give us everlasting life! Isaiah 53
@bitkurd
Жыл бұрын
I think God doesn’t care about how you judge or feel about God. God only cares how do you think, act and feel like God. Imagine you are a TV and suddenly you become aware of your content, then the time comes you have decided to destroy the content of your TV, who’s going to get hurt? Who will lose?
@cor3944
3 жыл бұрын
Why people are always thinking that everything must be perfect? Why God has to be perfect and not like a theory of play?
@justaguy328
3 жыл бұрын
This is a dangerous idea, and one the powerful love. I'm not sure you fully understand the hell that comes from the idea that God doesn't need to be perfect. It's the calling card of tyrants. These aren't arbitrary distinctions. One of the greatest illuminations of humanity is that God is perfect. It has such a profound impact on humanity that theres the famous saying "If God didn't exist, humanity would need to invent him.' By definition, if God was imperfect, he wouldn't be God. If a being wasn't all-knowing, and could be wrong and could make errors, he would be a very wise being but not God, and he would not be above question. If God isn't perfect, then there is nothing to stop human beings from declaring themselves God, because like you said, God doesn't have to be perfect, he just needs to be more powerful than you. It happens in places like North Korea, and its happened throughout history, where rulers have declared themselves to be God. The question then becomes, is this leader of North Korea, God? You would say No, but why? Well, you might say, because a God would be more powerful than that. But just by saying that you are creating some sort of standard of what a God would be, and if you take that to its logical conclusion, the ultimate standard is perfection. Okay so it's not the leader of North Korea, but what about the most powerful person on Earth? Let's say the president of the United States. He's the most powerful person on Earth, but is he God? You, again, might say no, because what if there is some alien civilization with vast more power? And here's where it takes off. If you bring up the possibility of a more powerful being, whether aliens or God, the tyrant will reply, do you have any proof that this alien civilization exists? No? And we all know "God" doesn't exist, so as far as we know, I am the most powerful being in the universe. Worship me as God! And he's right, there's no proof of extraterrestrial life, so if "God" doesn't exist why shouldn't the most powerful being in the universe (president of the US) be worshipped as God? This has been the thinking of every ruler who genuinely thought of themselves as Gods. Why are they wrong? Why couldn't the wisest and most powerful being be called God? God doesn't need to be perfect. Here's why. We know of no other civilization, but we can "conceive" of an alien that's more powerful than the most powerful human. You can do this easily. Despite being the most powerful person in the known universe he is extremely flawed, and isn't worthy of the name of God. Even if there was an extremely advanced alien civilization, would they be Gods? Well no, because what if there is a civilization that is more powerful than them? And so on and so forth. So if there's always a being that could be more powerful? Then you follow this to its conclusion arrive at all-powerful, meaning capable of actualizing all logical possibilities. It doesn't get more powerful than this. It is not logically possible to be more powerful than this. And that's what God is, "the greatest conceivable being". It is not possible for there to be a greater being. You can't be more powerful than all powerful. Anything less is great, but it's not God, and should only be treated as great, and not as God. Now what if there were two beings who were all powerful, but one of the beings was also all-knowing, and knew truths about existence that the other one didn't know? Well the being who is all powerful and all-knowing is "better" than the being who is all powerful but gets things wrong sometimes. Which would you ask for advice? But what if there were two beings who were all powerful and all knowing but one of them was evil? And used his knowledge of the truth to spread lies and cause chaos? That's where the goodness quality comes in. Other qualities would be sovereignty, eternal. These are called "great making properties" and you may be able to quibble about some such as whether it is greater to be timeless or temporally eternal, but at this point in history humanity has pretty much agreed on all-powerful, all-knowing, all-goodness. And from science we know that he would need to be spaceless, and immaterial. This is well thought through. There may be extremely powerful and wise people or aliens or interdimensional beings that exist, but if they aren't perfect, then they are still fallible and they aren't God. So they shouldn't be treated as God. None of this is arbitrary. This is wisdom revealed to us by God, and through millennia of human thought.
@theobserver_ger4616
4 ай бұрын
...Super-AI is Not God, it is Satan. OS-Iris!
@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@MrAuskiwi101
3 жыл бұрын
Only in your imagination.
@abashedsanctimony154
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, this universe had a beautiful beginning. And yes it is the only universe, because the mention of quantum mechanics as the underlying groundwork; for the obvious reason, it must exist for quantum physics to function. There are not multi-universes functional at multiple times. There is the fact God contained our universe to be under His control. There are levels to our universe, which atheists and many no atheist scientists cannot, certainly cannot explain. They stumble because they are not the superintelligence of the universe God is. And then His universe encompasses our relative existence. We function along side His existence because He allows it., because He has the power to destroy what our ultimate destination will be. Yet He can also destroy everything He has created and Still exit. Himself or their selves (Trinity).
@MrAuskiwi101
3 жыл бұрын
@@abashedsanctimony154 A no origin being is a nonsense excuse for origin. " There is the fact God contained our universe to be under His control." Is not a fact, just a baseless claim as you have no evidence for a god, any god. A god exists in your imagination only. "I don't understand something so goddidit" and "the answer for origin is something with no origin" was Neanderthal nonsense and of course remains so.
@abashedsanctimony154
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAuskiwi101 actually. You aren't making any verifiably accurate statements. Not even theoretically scientific statements. Such as the fake theoretical physicists claim to make. A non visible being is easily attainable and provable by any means at this point. I am a being telling you that your being - is wrong. For reason, it's based on emotion. You simply hate that you aren't perfect . Underlying your nonsensical comments are the fact you can't make intelligent thoughts. God made a perfect existence; regardless of what mere creatures do in the limited time frames given to exist, individually, we do exist, and unperfectly At best, but were perfectly created. You truly can't have much of a response if you can't admit a being that you can't see didn't make a being , such as yourself, then your mother didn't create you. She didn't see you when were conceived. For the universe to create itself from nothing and then evolve into a scientifically observable and accurately understandable construct, (by ignorant from the dust of the earth organisms such as ourselves) then someOne of immense intelligence is obviously the factor behind it. For we can not see it, (all of it) but those who hate themselves would never deny something as the universe would not be created ( at microscope level ) of such ingenuity fabricated to produce what you see. There is a comment thread about quantum physics and thermodynamics etc that I doubt you understand much less have ability to engage in, but you certainly know how to put down another human that you cannot mentally compete with, so you attack God. Also someOne you cannot compete with.
@abashedsanctimony154
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAuskiwi101 A Creation that exists but can be explained by mammals is possibly more capable of proving a Perfect God exists.. He allows you to pretend you understand a lot more than you actually understand. He allows you to exist and tell others what you think even though you don't really know anything. Here is why a God has to be Perfect. Why does have to be perfect, Because He said that He is. And then gave you life so you can say you lived in the existence that He lives in. The Messiah stated that the One in Heaven is Perfect. But He didn't have to tell us, because We know that already. We cannot allow our selves to become perfect examples of evolved beings either. (You are attacking others on the internet, which isn't very evolved , much less perfection) The God in Heaven restated that the Son He sent on earth is also Perfect , before raising Him in His glorified body. He obviously existed as a Perfect being before He was killed. That is something many people like to gloss over. To be perfect, to live on this corrupt earth and remain perfect is not as easy as written. God loves as a Man, that is Perfection. The Messiah lived among men just like you and still remained perfect.
@tinytrouble9385
3 жыл бұрын
I'd expect better design from a superintelligence. Maybe a lazy or dumb god 😂.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
Do you respect science, Tiny?
@tinytrouble9385
3 жыл бұрын
@@20july1944 if it's done correctly yes.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@tinytrouble9385 Good. Is the eventual heat death of our universe 100% certain and inevitable?
@tinytrouble9385
3 жыл бұрын
@@20july1944 do I look omniscient?
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@tinytrouble9385 No, you sound pretty ignorant but this is a simple question. The heat death of our universe is 100% certain because stars turn matter into energy but nothing turns energy into matter.
@skepticusmaximus184
3 жыл бұрын
That wasn't a very BIG conversation.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
You were born in 1966 so you are 55. Do you have post-secondary education in any relevant science such as physics? The question of God's existence is clearly worthy of a big conversation. It's definitely good to be skeptical -- I'm a skeptic as well.
@guyjosephs5654
3 жыл бұрын
@@20july1944 do YOU have a post secondary education in any relevant science such as physics? Because you talk this big game about it but after a little exploring it’s clear you don’t. Go troll elsewhere.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@guyjosephs5654 Yes, I have a BA (international relations) from the University of Chicago and my coursework included a three-course sequence in astrophysics. I'm very eager to have a science-based discussion on the issue of God's existence. You mentioned CCC but CCC is a vacuous joke -- there is no way for a new cycle to start after the heat death of a former universe. You didn't know that and can't give me a model we can discuss.
@guyjosephs5654
3 жыл бұрын
@@20july1944 that’s adorable. Let me tell you how I predict things will go shall I? You like to tell people “let’s have a science based discussion…yet you use only a limited part of science. Now then- 1-you won’t actually give any scientific evidence for a God. You will only use inference. You won’t have demonstrated that all the other ideas and hypothesis out there are impossible. 2-you will be rude and condescending towards anything you don’t like and can’t grasp. 3-you just said you’ve had astrophysics studies…but I predict you won’t actually supply any answers, ideas or thought of your own minus one….”god did it”. Now considering this thread is different from the other ones we’ve done you have also shown how you don’t know how to have an open mind and look at things with fresh perspective. It seems your jumping to the ccc model…MODEL…which means it’s still in the idea stage, not proven. No one has said it is…which you would understand if you understood the process of science. You said a model we can discuss…why don’t YOU start with a model we can discuss since you act like you have all the answers….. I am happy to be proven wrong….will you show me I was wrong in my hypothesis about what’s about to happen?
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@guyjosephs5654 1. Yes, all I can offer is inferences -- but a lot of science and intelligence work is based mainly or solely on inference. I wish we had more and clearer evidence, but we don't. 2. No, anything that I can't understand I will just shrug agnostically and admit I don't understand it. However, CCC isn't an example of that. I actually understand the problems with the lying sack of shit Roger Penrose. 3. There are no answers from a scientific POV -- CCC doesn't work, the universe is heading toward heat death. You have embraced CCC, and I'm confident I've asked more than a dozen YT atheists to explain the step AFTER the heat death of a previous universe. I'd love an outline of several steps, but I'll value even the first step AFTER the previous heat death. I've explained the absolute inevitability of the heat death of our universe, and what will remain at that point. Do you deny what I've said?
@merrybolton2135
3 жыл бұрын
How you can still believe in this religious thinking is beyond me . The fact that after all this time ,critical thinking just go's over you head is depressing
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. Let's limit ourselves to science. Scientifically speaking, how do you explain our universe?
@gfujigo
3 жыл бұрын
@@20july1944 Why just the other day a horse popped into my living room as a brute fact, thereby proving no God is needed. It's just like magic. Why can't you theists see all the evidence we have of things happening with no cause or explanation? All you need is magic and things appearing with no cause or explanation. After that, science can explain everything by itself - well, with the exception of consciousness, the fact that things persist in being, and any realities not describable via physical quantities. Once the evidence points to realities beyond the physical, all we have to do is wait eternally in the future for the eventual complete triumph of physicalism and naturalism. You will see. That's a complete answer. 😂😂😂 How anyone can serious think that naturalism or atheism provides a real account of anything is fascinating to me. We have clear evidence that there is far more to reality than just the physical and that contingent realities need causes beyond themselves. Yet, some ignore that evidence for the fantasy of naturalism.
@guyjosephs5654
3 жыл бұрын
@@gfujigo wow wow-please share this clear evidence that there is more to reality? How and why is naturalism a fantasy? What do you think atheism is?
@rimanm6934
3 жыл бұрын
@@gfujigo Problem not just belive the naturalism is way. Because if there is no God, than it mean human are pinacle of intelagance in dead universe. And that mean humanity are "god". It basicaly what comunists and marxists men speak about: desire to be gods. All this talk about using technology to extend life to only to persue lust power and money. It born form narcisistic worldviev of spoiled rich kids. I like Penrouse aproach: atleast he said: I dont know. He dont exclude such idea, but what he exclude is human arogance and desire to become gods. I dont where this came from but seems west:"rebel against God" because they want be gods theself. But what the theory really is? Universe is dying and it empty. Wo what are we dyieng gods of dieng world? That absurd. Vanity assume we is picnacle intalagence in universe. If our councisness exist than most like Ultimate counisness must exist aswell. BEcause only intelegance can create inteligance.
@dereksewkumar07
3 жыл бұрын
"We're still have religious monotheistic war's right now with us in 21st century from a 7th century Faith 📖 🇵🇰🇸🇦 ..."No change there anytime soon! .. "And this ..supposed way of thinking is to benefit the populations of our Earth 🗺. 🤔😑😄😆🤣 ..🤡?? d 🤕🗺🇪🇺💜
@gbaili
23 күн бұрын
There is no such thing called "God". We can only rely on trust. There is no "God"
@moonshoes11
2 жыл бұрын
Gods that don’t exist can’t be behind anything. Agreed?
@dadsonworldwide3238
3 жыл бұрын
Clearly this is humans first theory uninfluenced by anything but observing and testing our surroundings coming to conclusion that its a power greater than our selves. . I'm really shocked by how some struggle and get confused. Put wild speculation and just get lost on what where when how to understand God. I've watched so many wrestle with God and it looks so exhausting. Always trying to fit in with what they think others want to hear .
@dadsonworldwide3238
3 жыл бұрын
How hard is it to observe double split and not conclude human observation dictates. Or how it is only human observation from first to last cyborg or bio example that smothers out last human trait. Its individual movie we are all in it vice versa. Its very natural and easy to grasp . Its only probability no facts. No matter where human stands they are center stage of this movie so to speak . The Juda Christian God is by far the smartest ever came out of humanity. No doubt the only theory stand the test of time
@MrAuskiwi101
3 жыл бұрын
Which god? Does it happen to be the one you believe in lol. The creator tooth fairy perhaps? Q: Is God the ultimate Superintelligence behind everything? A: No
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
Mike: I'd love to discuss the question of God using only science and logic. Would you like that? We'd have to agree on a few things that we definitely DON'T know, and maybe a few that we DO.
@MrAuskiwi101
3 жыл бұрын
@@20july1944 Happy to discuss the question of a god regarding evidence that one exists.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAuskiwi101 Good. Is our universe headed for heat death?
@MrAuskiwi101
3 жыл бұрын
@@20july1944 Happy to discuss the question of a god regarding evidence that one exists.
@20july1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAuskiwi101 Is our universe headed for heat death?
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