Hey @jumbocommander there's a lot of dead time after the video. Half of the time stamp is just black with no audio. Just letting you know. ☺️
@rulezer0682
Жыл бұрын
Yeah weird things happen in some of his videos. Like the time he announced a playmate and ends the video after a pause saying "alright we're done I did a good job" just weird
@Demotros
Жыл бұрын
My issue with poison isn’t that it wins the game, but it knocks a single player out early then the game can continue on at a more reasonable pace. One person can get knocked out before they had a chance to play. So one person gets to sit and watch the group play the game for however long it takes. If I’m setting aside a night to go play Magic I hate getting knocked out by a Yargle buffer with a Tainted Strike before I get to my 3rd turn, and then watching the table continue playing.
@BAAWAKnight
Жыл бұрын
I got knocked out on a Maelstrom Wanderer's turn 3 once. Not by poison. Commander damage. So I had to sit there for the rest of the game. All I had done in the game was play 2 lands. That's it. I played 2 lands. And got knocked out. It can happen in non-poison decks.
@Chonus
Жыл бұрын
You could just say this about any Voltron commander, I can easily do this with a Balan deck and countless other equipment aura based decks. The shadow and double strike on Jodah's avenger is functionally no different than blighted agent in the mimeoplasm.
@minine6508
Жыл бұрын
Gonna come out of nowhere and say that I think infect is a healthy game mechanic. It turns commander, which can be a slog for some playgroups, into a game where everyone is on edge and trying to think carefully while the infect player slowly takes over. It also makes games shorter, which is a big plus
@Renegadetothe64th
Жыл бұрын
Is nobody going to talk about the extra 15 minutes of dead space after the video?
@ty_sylicus
Жыл бұрын
It was sent to exile.
@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299
Жыл бұрын
If my commander can get big and I am playing Black, Tainted Strike all day. My new favorite is Inkmoth Nexus in Raggadragga since it is considered a mana dork it gets +2/+2 and one 7cmc spell makes it 10/10 Flying Infect :P
@hiver285
Жыл бұрын
I always had issues with justifying piloting an infect deck until Atraxa, Praetors' Voice came out. Like Skittles Blight Dragon decks went around my play group but other infects never took off because winning with Infect was basically a hard feat in of itself. Infect has a strong stigma, but it mostly lies in the combat trick cards like Triumph of the Hordes and Tainted Strike. I think the inclusion of Toxic helps Poison winning deck get more creature variance even if it's a fixed number. The introduction of Ixhel and Vishgraz also offers us some nice deck building variances as well to help add some diversity. Definitely excited to get my hands on some of these support cards to add into Atraxa, Praetors' Voice as it's always been a New Phyrexia themed deck.
@Ashaman556
Жыл бұрын
I have many commanded decks, 8 together and ready to play, though my Atraxa infect is my favorite, pet deck. I have been waiting for this set for many years. I love it. Hail Phyrexia, embrace completion.
@BAAWAKnight
Жыл бұрын
My Atraxa infect is my favorite as well.
@jasonferguson9052
Жыл бұрын
Love proliferate in my fungus tribal. Can't wait for the goodies
@erikmoore2918
Жыл бұрын
Oh damn I haven’t even thought about these cards for my Slimefoot deck, let’s go!
@MilkshakeSkunkette
Жыл бұрын
Reject tradition, Embrace compleation \o/
@cyberdaikaiju
Жыл бұрын
Infect/toxic has great flavor, but it kind of sucks in commander. I think proliferate and the new corruption mechanics are interesting directions to go however.
@treyconover4107
Жыл бұрын
Personally I've never played against an actual infect deck, I've lost to triumph of the hordes a few times which I think is where most of the stigma lies. I have a rat deck which plays the two rats with infect just because they're good rats for the curve (there are not many to pick from) and if even one hits the table people go wild when it would take me five hits per person with them to actually get a poison kill. It's really wild hah.
@Skyfysh
Жыл бұрын
The people blowing poison counters out of proportion are the same people running minimal creatures and multiple combo wincons in every deck.
@nheimi99
Жыл бұрын
I wasn't convinced until the point he made at 14:50. Can't argue with that! PHYREXIA FOREVER!!!
@LordKingKon
Жыл бұрын
Our house rule has always been just to count infect for half of starting life total. Really makes a huge difference.
@realname4430
Жыл бұрын
So infect becomes commander damage?
@LordKingKon
Жыл бұрын
@@realname4430 close. But for 1v1 w 30 starting health, we do 15, and 20 for 40 starting. Makes for more fulfilling games for sure.
@mmartak
Жыл бұрын
I was really OK with infect / poison until Mutate came around. That mechanic alone broke it. Now I'm a little salty on poison winning out of nowhere. I think I'm generally OK with poison if you see it coming a mile away ( I was not very fond of cards like Fynn, the Fangbearer, which quickly become "kill on sight"). Toxic plays it fairly safe.
@nik700
Жыл бұрын
I mean, poison out of nowhere was already a thing with Triumph, Tainted Strike and Grafted Exoskeleton
@nerdlabmtg
Жыл бұрын
proliferate with this support is strong. I am not looking forward to this. The ability to knock out a single person really fast is exactly what I don't want to happen in commander. I build all my decks to end the game for everyone at once if at all possible. People also seem to forget about the -1 counters that go onto your creatures so you don't even want to block a 1/1. you proliferated a time or two and your 3/3 is now dead. love the video.
@idkjustleavemebeplease
Жыл бұрын
I think what could have been more interesting is the idea that the counters don't kill you directly, BUT they amp up creatures you attack with. Think a bunch of 1/1s that can't be blocked if the defending player has one or even a threshold of poison counters.
@ChrisDavis-tt1dj
Жыл бұрын
I like when an occasional pod has infect. Whether it is me or someone else playing it, it forces action. So many games lag for over an hour and nothing happens. Then someone combos. Combo is much more of a problem in casual games than infect.
@bencollins5607
Жыл бұрын
This is where I'm at, it speeds up games so I am so I'm pro infect.
@mercadonathedrawmartinezro1660
Жыл бұрын
IT IS NOT INFECT. Is the fact that somebody dies at early stage then the threat y deal by the other two players and became a 1vs1 Game Fantastic👏. And thats true for all decks that kill somebody early and then dont do anything.
@Chonus
Жыл бұрын
exactly might as well ban any one shot voltron commander
@thedanath
Жыл бұрын
One of the big problems for me is one player will get taken out early and then have to sit around doing nothing. The other is its only 10 poison counters needed to take someone out, and the added support with the new set coming out its going to be even easier to rack up poison counters on everyone.
@lechampion2349
Жыл бұрын
I think we the new cards , it’s gonna be much easier especially this new set
@dragonbear2004
Жыл бұрын
It’s very difficult to win the game with infect/poison. Maybe kill a player or two but you run out of gas very quickly. Infect/poison is fine especially at 10 poison counters. Go forth, All Will Be One!🎉❤
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
Hail the mother of machines!
@TripsAhoy
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@thomaseddy7347
Жыл бұрын
There will be a TON of Toxic decks (pun intended) floating around for the next few months, but after those players get spite killed out of every game, the number of those decks will plummet dramatically once the aforementioned players get sick of dying 10 minutes in and have to sit and watch the rest of the table continue playing for the next 30 min-1 hour.
@robertglover2676
Жыл бұрын
I do feel there is a feel bad component to losing to infect. With that said prior to this set I feel that it was much less common and the cards that had infect were costed to offset the ability. With that said Commander damage requires 21 damage from one specific card, yet infect counters can come multiple cards and only takes 10 to kill someone? Not only that but proliferate works with other counter synergies, so you're giving other players the ability to kill someone while just playing the game (proliferating your own +1/+1 counters and it just so happens another player has been hit with infect and you give them another poison counter, for instance). With an entire set based on an alternate win condition I don't believe it should be the easier win condition, but I think it will be. I think once people have seen how games play out and infect damage becomes the #1 game ender it will have to be adjusted. 10 counters just isn't enough in casual power levels IMO. Hopefully it's before people get tired of playing against it. I'm still 100% sure if someone comes to a table and says they're playing 'toxic' instead of 'infect' they're still going to be the #1 target.
@jonathanrichman2330
Жыл бұрын
I made a Rig Streetwise Mentor toxic deck that uses the extra card draw from the attack triggers of small toxic creatures to find proliferate cards that came out recently. Bant has most of the best toxic/proliferate cards without just being an atraxa deck and I get huge card advantage in the command zone. I don't think it should be banned or changed when cascade slivers/jodah just wins faster and has access to more colors.
@SmashCentralOfficial
Жыл бұрын
Is my phone glitching out or is there an extra 15 mins of nothing on the end of this video?
@claygillman9351
Жыл бұрын
I have never played infect before. I think that is because most people have a negative opinion about it. But I am actually excited to try it now.
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
Welcome brother
@danielscott9960
Жыл бұрын
I play a G/U ezuri infect/control deck that regularly gets people to 8 or 9 counters but rarely follows through all the way but my playgroup still keep asking to house rule it to 15 counters
@spec2k5
Жыл бұрын
By the way DJ, the last 15 minutes in this video are just black screen and no audio :-( I was prepared for 28 minutes but only got 23 ... 😕
@Trance2400
Жыл бұрын
I've found that Infect is similar to Voltron in that you either get hated out of the game early, or you manage to kill one person before you become the archenemy. VERY rarely have I seen either of these strategies outright win the game. I don't like playing Infect myself, but I'll sit at a pod with an Infect player knowing that they'll probably get knocked out early anyway.
@MrWh33lz
Жыл бұрын
I've got ichor rats in atraxa... and I make every play, even myself, hit 10 poison counters at the same time when possible. I even did it when I could win on attacks without infect.
@vasylpark2149
Жыл бұрын
I have a Thassa God of the Sea Infect deck. The number of infect creatures is low, but I'm hoping the few colorless or blue infect creatures makes the deck more viable. especially that once people see it is poison counters they hard target me.
@AS-kx5jt
Жыл бұрын
2 of us in my playgroup infect decks and we have a Rule Zero discussion that Infect doubled in Commander. No matter what the cards say, any player who gets 20 poison counters dies. That way the games are less kill-on-sight and one-shot-kill. We find it works well and I'd love to hear what anyone else thinks.
@JackThrowerofPrinnys
Жыл бұрын
At that point you might as well play any other aggro strategy. The creatures are better and your opponents can help whittle down life totals. If 20 counters works for your group great, but the extra work you have to put in to win, when the Jonny's can still win out of nowhere with 2 card combos, makes poison counter decks unappealing.
@BAAWAKnight
Жыл бұрын
So you've banned infect. Because you've made it impossible to play.
@vapixdarmana4428
Жыл бұрын
Infect is the MOST balanced alternative win condition in commander. It's very straightforward and easily handled if people are playing properly. I would much prefer to see 3 infect players tham 3 infinite combo players at my tables.
@empurress77
Жыл бұрын
If you think infect is balanced, you haven't played against the level of players i know. It's an infinite combo to combo too. It just gets to its combo faster. I quite agree with your opinion about infinite combos. If by "Playing properly" you mean counterspell effects and removal, those ain't fun either. Those decks are what my playgroup call "Top decking games" as excessive counterplay results to no one playing anything other than counterplay. When a ability comes down to HAVING to counter that ability it's cheesy. Counterspell and destruction decks are what commander has always sought to avoid resorting to. AKA: Playing other strats is fun too. This is why rule zero is the best rule.
@Chonus
Жыл бұрын
@@empurress77 Bruh, infect isn't even high power viable tf you on about? I can name a handful of Voltron commanders that one shot faster.
@empurress77
Жыл бұрын
@@Chonus My not be high power for you but it is if you do it right.
@adamdunn9219
Жыл бұрын
I'm my local groups infect guy, we play fairly competitively and my yawgmoth infect deck wins a fair share but everyone's way more fed up and wary of oracle combos and the like then anything
@stalkerstomper3304
Жыл бұрын
Wizards had a real opportunity to update the poison mechanic properly in commander by adjusting the effect to be half of a player's life total, which is exactly how it was meant to function within its design environment when commander wasn't really a thing yet. But nope, Wizards wants to sell cards that require less skill to draw the newbies and scrubs in.
@TheCeltic91
Жыл бұрын
Honestly infect is a valid way to win but I see why alot of people don't like losing to it.
@ALTR_no_EGO
Жыл бұрын
White Sun's Twilight made me grumpy. As a Jinnie Fay player, it's just Martial Coup, except I gain life. So it works out to being better, and if someone removes my Commander in response, I'm making mites instead of cats...
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
I love it when people cry over infect. Only makes me want to play it more.
@craig1287
Жыл бұрын
Why is that? Do you lack empathy for other players? Do you enjoy games when one player gets knocked out and must then sit there while the game continues for 45+ mins?
@CimInc
Жыл бұрын
@@craig1287 How about preparing? Build decks that can handle more than just one thing....
@arturol.m.7245
Жыл бұрын
You also need empathy when you dont like other players decks, maybe they like it a lot, maybe they love the theme etc. So if you dont like infect, have empathy and tell the other player that you have the problem and that you will go find another table. Or are you telling me that infect players need their own table? They have to move? Just because you dont like it? Thats not empathetic
@craig1287
Жыл бұрын
@@CimInc I have personally never died to Infect in Commander, but I have seen a lot of players get attacked, then a bunch of instant speed pump spells and/or trample spells happen, and then they die. Then I watch them sit on their phone for the rest of the game that me and the two other players are in and I feel bad for them. For some people, that one day that week is their only chance to play Commander and they drove a long way to that LGS, I just feel bad for them.
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
@Craig1287 Because people are scared of a boogeyman that doesn't exist. It's a 4 player game traditionally right? The moment I lay down anything resembling an infect commander I'm kill on sight. So now it's 3v1, oh AND you can see kills coming from a mile away with the exception of a few infect cards obviously like tainted strike and triumph (and even triumph of the hordes is one of those things you look for when someone's going really wide) Point I'm making is it's a hard strat to actually win with and yes I suppose i do lack empathy for the community of players as a whole. I'm willing to play infect and get targeted immediately without whining so take your early exit with the same grace.
@lanesteele240
Жыл бұрын
I used to love infect. It was rare and safe. Now it will be everywhere
@GabrielTrinka
Жыл бұрын
Toxic infect is handled the same way edgar is, you focus the player. I never really understood why people don't just deal with the problem player. We can put toxic and infect in the same boat as combo decks can we not?
@mtgsus
Жыл бұрын
Imo poison is ok when you can knock out all your opponents at once, I.E. triumph of the hordes or with proliferate. It can make games end easier that way. If you k.o. one player the other probably deal with your board before you can take out the rest, therefor making one player sit and watch the game for the next 30+min. Don't think much people appreciate that. That's the same reason I scoop when someone has several extra turns, whether they win or not. I rather scoop on that then waiting to see if I'm death or not.
@memelorddavid2938
Жыл бұрын
DJ we need more videos damn it!
@ScorpioneOrzion
Жыл бұрын
So why does it end at 13 minutes, when the video last 28 minutes?
@mth4456
Жыл бұрын
The eternal outro
@williamrodenbough5518
Жыл бұрын
I love Infect! Wish the mechanic came back.
@danielkuttel7867
Жыл бұрын
I never has one person at the table that was amused to be killed with 10 poison counters but I would not say that is kinda bad for commander. There are a lot other mechanics that are not really fun, so at least: Yeah it sucks but hey, to be milled or locked down by a stack deck is too not very entertaining.
@mprospero
Жыл бұрын
Well, I can see a lot of cards to upgrade my -1/-1/infect Hapatra's deck.
@thrillhouse4151
Жыл бұрын
I tend to avoid counters cause I only have so many dice.
@Smoove1979
Жыл бұрын
I really like your perspective, great video. I am stoked for this set, even though my play group hates infect it will be exciting to see them handle more of a infect spread. It is good for the game imo because its a unique win condition that can be effective in many different power ranges.
@benjaminkaye5119
Жыл бұрын
I bath in the salt of my opponents when I spread the sickness !!! To the glory of phyrexia !!
@Thespqr1997
Жыл бұрын
well i love infect. i try to have at least 1 card in every deck that enables me to give other poison counter (as much thematically fitting i mind you). i like playing it without some pump-spells as that feels a bit too cheap (won´t stop me from playing cheeky tainted strike tho). In my playgroup the others also like to play thematically fitting infect. killing through poison is only occasionally. the most dangerous is the first & the last counter. the first open you up to another level of a game, because we know that others can use it too to pressure you (makes Ichor Rats a very intense card as through it everyone has a counter). i always laugh my ass of when i get killed through poison. the others are kinda neutral about it, though they are meh for triumph of the hordes as it has a bit of that cheap feel to it sometimes.
@JustABrokenToy
Жыл бұрын
I have a UW infect/proliferate deck, so I'm certainly not running the strongest build in the archetype, but I was highly anticipating this set's release. I love that Corrupted incentivizes you to spread the poison out and reap a benefit from not killing a player who is infected. I'm hoping for a couple more toxic and proliferate pieces (Experimental Augury looks spectacular) to buff up my mediocre synergies, or that we'll see a bit of lingering synergy in MOM. But Skrelv is great for stacking an extra poison counter onto my Tine Shrike or Blighted Agent. I think it's ok to leave the threshold at 10 poison for commander, it can be a good equalizer for lifegain/pillowfort strategies. The latter point is a marginal argument, but I don't think the threshold should be doubled to 20, and even 15 infect damage may as well have been normal combat damage. I haven't played against a lot of Triumph of the Hordes, though, so I haven't experienced the potential oppressive nature of this strategy.
@proteus404
Жыл бұрын
Playing infect is the best way to get the 3 other opponents to team up against you. Triumph of the Hordes, is a good infect card that can be played in a non infect deck and can sometimes win the entire game or take out 2 opponents in 1 turn. I think playing infect is good if you can conceal the fact you are using infect as a wincon until the very end.
@JackThrowerofPrinnys
Жыл бұрын
Usually if you have a board that can win with Triumph, you could probably win with any overun or stampede effect anyway.
@bennycostello2472
Жыл бұрын
If you think 10 poison is too easy in commander do you think you should have to thassa twice? No? Why?
@itzmimz8238
Жыл бұрын
Anything that makes combat damage more viable in this pushed is format is good with me
@canadianham
Жыл бұрын
I played an infect deck using brokkos as the commander. It never wins, usually take one ayer out but because I am infect well... I am public enemy number 1.
@i20918
Жыл бұрын
I think the reason that commander players hate infect is that most groups have target power level that is optimal from group perspective. I have seen that player ask if he can play with the group and when he shown infect dragon commander players ask him to change deck. "You play the infect shit? You won, and now go play with somone else." Even if the group allows then the way the poison deck works make that all of them work together to take out the infect player. Those are short games and edh players came to have fun and play the game(win for most of them is optional benefit, not mandatory). I have many decks, some of them are even cedh level or just unfun but i almoust never play them and I play other decks instead because in the end it is the expirience that matters. If I would want the fast, brainless game with quick kill i would play standard.
@Chonus
Жыл бұрын
So is it ok if I one shot one player with insert any casual Voltron commander? I'll just use the shadow and double strike on jodah's avenger instead of blighted agent in the mimeoplasm is that acceptable?
@i20918
Жыл бұрын
@@Chonus Is this acceptable depends solly on the playgroup. Some decks are to powerfull, others just not fun from the group perspective. One friend of mine came up with a deck that is like turn 4-5 spins and is very hard to stop when it does and games looked like: He try to get to the point that he starts spining and everyone else at the table try to slow/stop him and when he does we lose or when he is stoped he scoops(becouse he's deck is so commander oriented that when killed few time he is no longer to do anything), and we keep playing but without him. Finaly he changed the deck becouse there was litle to no fun in that. Sure take those high power(from the group perspective) decks and clash from time to time, but still the most fun games are when You play the low tier ones, and in the end the fun You have is all that matters.
@BAAWAKnight
Жыл бұрын
As an infect player, I really don't like toxic. Poison counters are great, but I don't care about life total. I want to be hitting strictly for poison, which means pump spells in addition. And toxic doesn't allow for pump.
@davidbain7629
Жыл бұрын
Is it bad for commander, not necessarily. But infect players are bad for casual* commander. It is not balanced for commander and it should be. Just cause it doesn't win 100% of the time at 100% of tables doesn't mean it is fair. Turbo infect is the same as a combo player at a casual game.
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
Show me on the doll where the infect player touched you.
@azazelmorningstar5631
Жыл бұрын
Even my most casual decks (some just battlecruiser without combos) can easily trample infect decks, infect is just bad, if anything I hope this set will make it a playable archetype
@davidbain7629
Жыл бұрын
@@azazelmorningstar5631 respectfully disagree. It's like any other archetype. There are good and bad decks of it also with variance in those decks. Up until now it was not a recent mechanic so it was not that common to see but there is a reason why it is talked about so much.
@BAAWAKnight
Жыл бұрын
Tell me you don't understand infect without telling me you don't understand infect.
@Chonus
Жыл бұрын
@@davidbain7629 really silly bad take, I can name so many Voltron/aggro commanders that will kill faster than any infect deck.
@intelligentcounterspell16
Жыл бұрын
All they need to do is make cards that take away poison counters , I know there are some like leeches, and that Myclina chich the green one. Or a mechanic that proliferates down
@zackkelley2940
Жыл бұрын
If by SOME you mean LITERALLY ONE, then yes. Leeches is the ONLY card that can remove poison counters. Melira Sylvok Outcast PREVENTS them but does not remove any you already have. Melira the Living Cure REDUCES how many you can get to one per turn. That's it, that's all we have to help deal with poison counters. .....and one of them is from HOMELANDS.
@redhotchikapepr8978
Жыл бұрын
I would argue that specially in EDH all they need to do to balance Infect decks is change the rule from 10 counters to 20 to win, it’s really that simple.
@BAAWAKnight
Жыл бұрын
Then you've argued for banning infect, because you'll've made it non-viable and unplayable.
@lestertjester4140
Жыл бұрын
I deliberately never made a full on infect deck. Now I’m thinking about three decks to build. This might ruin commander.
@carlosvelez5798
Жыл бұрын
I think these new cards are going to make the rules committee change poison counter death to 20 in commander
@percivalyracanth1528
Жыл бұрын
Infect is good for any deck going tall instead of wide, it allows for burst damage instead of having to whittle down all 3 other players with one creature. Its also good for go-wides that have small creatures
@goldbergbrain
Жыл бұрын
I think storm decks, treasures, and extra turn spells are obnoxious in commander, but I’m not calling for a ban of those strategies. People who are salty about infect should look at what cards they play that suck and ask if those cards are “fun” for the opponents.
@flipadip2712
Жыл бұрын
People saying "its hard to win with infect" are probably not playing a very good infect deck. You only need to do ten damage.
@JackThrowerofPrinnys
Жыл бұрын
30 you need 30 counters on the board to win. Of which you have no help and 3 other players teaming up disrupting you. I'd argue infect is fairer than most of the dominant strategies in commander. People are just mad they can't durdle and build their dumb value engines while an infect deck is on the table. It's the same when someone pulls out a fast voltron deck like lightpaws.
@Snskch3
Жыл бұрын
I like infect or toxic or whatever. If it speeds games up I am down for that!
@daltonfalletta4686
Жыл бұрын
Dig the intro change 🤌
@DiabloTommaso
Жыл бұрын
Nothing? The only playable infect/ toxic cards are skittles and tryumph of the horde. Maybe the one sliver that gives toxic 1
@12jacobmar
Жыл бұрын
I'm fine with poison, if a player can pull off a win poisoning 3 other players that's quite an achievement. I congratulate them and move onto game two.
@SniffingHair
Жыл бұрын
I love infect I have a Drana, liberator of malakir infect deck. She pumps all my infect creatures each combat. I've won many games through infect.
@Zorzdog
9 ай бұрын
Proliferate and cards like Infectious Inquiry let toxic and infect not have to carry all the weight.
@jkjackson91
Жыл бұрын
This is commander, play infect if you want to play infect. There are so many other decks that win significantly faster than toxic but I don’t hear people crying about it. #LetsPlay
@Rewwgh
Жыл бұрын
If you don't like it, just rule zero it.
@bdawg8877
Жыл бұрын
Please do a deck tech on chiss-goria
@allenridenour1826
Жыл бұрын
I think toxic is a bit of a nerf compared to infect. Now I can't kill indestructible creatures.
@jehhhGames
Жыл бұрын
My play group now hhas our own format, Everything until The new phyrexian block.
@fenwayandwrigley
Жыл бұрын
Not toxic, not yet anyways. I would rather get blown out by infect then play group hug or go up against Stax. It's really hard for groups to stay focused after 10 turns....
@the_metamancer
Жыл бұрын
Why is this video 28 minutes long?
@cteal2018
Жыл бұрын
It is the counter to lifegain decks
@guillermovelasco103
Жыл бұрын
Infect EVERYTHING!!! MWuahahahaha!
@RheussGrmniey
Жыл бұрын
I think toxican effect is awesome
@iangenuine
Жыл бұрын
Infect ain't broken in cedh. And usually gets focus first in normal games. Nothing broken, jus toxic 👀
@diegoperezsommariva2509
Жыл бұрын
Is the title written like that on purpose?
@kyleskott6805
Жыл бұрын
15 min of dead air WTF
@LogoMotive11
Жыл бұрын
Mono white infect here we come
@anactualopinion868
Жыл бұрын
I hate when people say infect is fair..30 damage to 3 players is hard..is it though? Especially if you 2 shot someone on T4..now it's 2 v 1 and it's highly likely you out paced one of your opponents..
@cteal2018
Жыл бұрын
Then the table deserves to lose if they don't gang up on the infect player
@Vonboon11dy
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a you problem. Hey you could just auto run platinum angel. 😂
@fenwayandwrigley
Жыл бұрын
Once I see infect on the table, that player goes down. it's a mechanic you must kill on sight because we all know what happens if it is allowed to breathe.
@anactualopinion868
Жыл бұрын
@@Vonboon11dy I said I hate that people think it's fair. Not that i wouldent play against it...also it's a YOU problem if you need to use unbalanced strategies to compensate your lack of skill
@Vonboon11dy
Жыл бұрын
@@anactualopinion868 ok Slowbro, didn't say you did. Seethe harder it's still happening.
@hanschristopherson8056
Жыл бұрын
Infect isn’t even that good in commander so I don’t know why people complain about it so much
@TommyDstudio
Жыл бұрын
Infect is overpowered, but not powerful enough to be in tiers 4-0...
@robsta6543
Жыл бұрын
Yea real bad for all the people playing watered down magic lol
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
The pettiness of this comment has me wanting to be your new friend.
@robsta6543
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffnosdivad3080 pettyest of the petty here lol
@zombne
Жыл бұрын
You gents seem like the kind to like real dirty magic. (Looks around making sure no one else is near) You boys wanna play some land hate? (flashes Armageddon from trench coat)
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
@@zombne Don't tease me like that big fella
@jeffnosdivad3080
Жыл бұрын
@Nick Ernst I just despise how soft the community is getting. It was already bad but I honestly feel like a fish out of water when I play with a new group and bring beer and use the F word like a comma.
@mikemacek4470
Жыл бұрын
Stop crying about the amount needed to kill with posion 10 is fair 21 comander if you can use it for dmg ban the voice not change the rules 4 posion
@Onbutteredtoast
Жыл бұрын
Because god forgive people learn to put early blockers and single target removal in their deck
@zombne
Жыл бұрын
Nope not at all. Commander is about going all out, not let's pace this nice and slow and all hold hands. I want to have an all out slugfest when I play. It's all fair. Steal my stuff, mill my deck, exile my grave, poison me, DESTROY MY LANDS. Give me all of the dirty tactics and political alliances and ploys you can give me. Nothings better than a game of commander where you think you're beaten and you pull an ace outta the hat like Yugi Muto, and when I lose that way I applaud my opponent for a battle well fought and won.
@ACRAZYMNKEY
Жыл бұрын
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@redhotchikapepr8978
Жыл бұрын
you’re describing CEDH friend, not casual commander
@zombne
Жыл бұрын
Play better cards if you don't wanna lose. 🤷🏻♂️ it's a competitive card game with winners and losers. You will be one or the other.
@spiritofthenight9067
Жыл бұрын
EDH is a casual format, not competitive. That's why there's CEDH, competitive EDH. Of course the goal is winning, but along the way ideally everyone gets to play their deck and have fun. If everyone in your group plays the same way as you do then you're going about it perfectly! Fun is what it's all about.
@ryuu_1988
Жыл бұрын
I've always thought that infect should have returned soon to us, maybe this ain't infect, but at least they tried
@blaze556922
Жыл бұрын
Yes HaTe it Won't use
@TripsAhoy
Жыл бұрын
Def not. The more ways to play the game the better.
@cas126
Жыл бұрын
My playgroup has already had the rule zero discussion that Toxic has an immediate mugging response. So the player that decides to play it cant complain because if theyre playing it, its their job to tune it to defend themselves or dont play it at all because losing to 10 infect is absurd.
@Chonus
Жыл бұрын
Pretty irrational, infect isn't even viable at high power, yet while you're focusing down the infect player (no stronger than any Voltron strategy) little timmy to the left just combos off and wins. People seriously have god awful threat assessment.
@alvirvillanueva1158
Жыл бұрын
In my playgroup, we set the poison counters to 20 before players die. 40 life in commander so half of that.
@Chonus
Жыл бұрын
Why even play infect then? Just play any voltron commander at least you'll actually get damage in before you die. 🙄
@Rvm5259
Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@MrFl0bo
Жыл бұрын
To put it in your style JD... INFECT is ok in Commander. TOXIC for Commander and Magic overall are content creators like you, that endorse WOTC printing 1K proxies. Cheers
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