For today's video, we're asking the question of whether or not it's legal and/or ethical to share knitting patterns. I have synthesized a lot of information I've gathered through research as well as valuable dialogue I've had with folks both here on the channel and over the phone. My text-based sources are available in the description box. Please keep in mind, I am based in the US so all legal information is based on US copyright law. Sit back, relax, and enjoy. ❤
@vanessabrumage
Жыл бұрын
I've always shared pattern books because it's my only source and copy of the pattern. Refrencing only my physical copy not any of my digital books. I paid for 1, and if I give it to a friend that's my business and I'll likely buy the book again if I don't get the book back. If it's a pattern I purchased online where I can print unlimited copies I don't share those around. That's where I feel it's unfair to share as I can lose my physical print out a print more with no limits.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
@@vanessabrumageI agree. ❤
@MyParamedicAfterLife
Жыл бұрын
It’s my personal opinion that what I pay for a pattern is only a small amount of $$ that creators have put into them and sharing freely is unfair. My friends and I don’t share patterns, but if the creator has discount codes, I feel like that is fair.
@divinelyengineered
Жыл бұрын
I help lead a fiber arts ministry at my church. We are currently focusing on chemo caps. Weve had a lot of interest from people who dont know how to crochet, so we are offering a class. You have to buy in to the class, $10 to cover the yarn, hook, and a bag. My co-leader found a really good pattern that she would like to share with the class, but its not free. So she contacted the designer and explained what is happening and if we could make photocopies of the pattern, and she happily said yes! So, as long as you do your due diligence and ask the designer, sometimes sharing patterns is ok!
@helenstrickland3894
Жыл бұрын
I don’t have many friends who knit. My SIL and I occasionally share patterns we have bought. I don’t see any harm in this. I have bought many patterns that that I will never knit. You don’t always realise that the pattern won’t be suitable until after purchase, in my case I don’t think designers are missing out
@maryeberle8994
Жыл бұрын
As a former IP attorney, I give you an A+ for your presentation! Copyrights exist to promote creativity. Copyright is based on the U.S. Constitution, which states, "[the United States Congress shall have power] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." Let's support creators!
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I’m taking a big sigh of relief. I did a lot of homework for this one so I’m glad I carried it off. Thank you!
@Kpup
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious about the part where you said libraries don't have access to new books for 4-6 weeks. Librarian here, and that isn't accurate, we get new releases at the same time as the public who purchase the books. Sometimes it takes a while for those books to show up on the shelves, because of shipping/transit and the cataloging process. Libraries are some of the biggest purchasers of books and contribute to the revenue to the creator. My library alone will purchase 10-20 copies of popular new releases. When it comes to digital and e-books, libraries pay more for the rights to digital books than individual purchasers, because we have to pay for the license to that content every time the book reaches a max number of checkouts based on the agreement between the library and the vendor.
@Sincyn241
Жыл бұрын
Small and rural library director here, agreed. Regarding digital materials, we also pay significantly higher than public rates for digital licenses that also then expire under Digital Rights Management (DRM) built into the file, and we have to purchase another copy.
@virginiauberti7701
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100% Tayler. A person is willing to spend $100 + bucks for yarn to make a garment but they’re too cheap to pay $5-$10 for the pattern?! How does that even compute?
@rachelmitchell2144
Жыл бұрын
Preach. 😉
@patriciashapiro361
Жыл бұрын
Oh yes, thank you! Further up someone said that when they already had to dish out for yarns and needles they hated to have to pay for the pattern on top. ??? So, if you want to knit this particular thing then you factor in the few bucks because obviously it is important enough to have that specific item at the end of the process. If you don’t care then by all means make up you own thing or use a free pattern. As you said, it just doesn’t compute…
@maryfoster5189
Жыл бұрын
Not everyone is happy to spend $100 for yarn for a project. But with yarn you usually know what you're getting. So many patterns now are not tech edited or even test edited and have many mistakes and poorly written directions because the person is not trained in pattern design and doesn't understand the important of tech editing, but instead just asks a bunch of friends to knit the pattern. If something is wrong with the yarn you can get your money back. Can you return the pattern and get your money back? I've never heard of that happening.
@maeish9471
Жыл бұрын
Personally if someone asks about a pattern then I always direct them to the pattern creator to get their own copy, but while I don't share patterns I also don't see a huge issue with sharing a pattern with one or two people you are close to, I do think of it as being the same as sharing a book. Sharing it on a mass scale or giving the pattern out for money is 100% never okay. You wouldn't buy a pdf of a book, print it out and bind it, and then begin reselling these new books
@silveralanatural
Жыл бұрын
I, personally don't share paid for patterns! For me, it would taking income from a small business owner. Just my opinion 🤷🏽♀️
@LDSVenus
Жыл бұрын
I have 4 free pattern, that I designed, on my blog, but I do ask that people to not share my patterns themselves, but instead to direct them to the page on my blog to get the pattern so that it helps people to know I designed it and to help keep my pattern from being stolen by someone who wants to claim the design as their own.
@beakolbeebersbach6598
Жыл бұрын
Please recognize though, that some (a lot) of them, are not small businesses even though that's the image they portray on instagram... some make millions a year
@LDSVenus
Жыл бұрын
@@beakolbeebersbach6598someone put the time and brain power (yep math) to design that pattern and unless the designer sells the rights to the design to someone else it’s the designer’s. And without permission to give the design out, rather it’s a free or paid for pattern, from the designer, it’s stealing, doesn’t matter if the designer is a big company or a small business with just the one designer. Tin Can Knits has free patterns, and I love her Flax baby sweater, but I always direct people to her website if they want to knit one of her designs, the pattern is not mine to give out but I can tell them where they can find it.
@Kaila999
Жыл бұрын
@@beakolbeebersbach6598even if a company makes “millions a year”, who are we to say what a person or entity should legally earn?
@knitted_sweater_near_fireplace
Жыл бұрын
I think it's fine to share it with friends who otherwise couldn't have afford it. Because I live in second world country, so typical prices for patterns are very high here (10 dollars can pay for 3 days meals) so the creator wouldn't have gained anything from them. But there are so many great free patterns, it's not necessary to share paid ones in my opinion
@amandamiergarza2243
8 ай бұрын
Internet had changed everything. Everyone wants to sell the pattern of a sweater that sometime it is not his/hers own idea. We made things based on our memory, everyone takes one other two things in ideas that we’ve seen. If I buy a book of knitting I can share with someone else as I do with a normal book. I am not doing anything illegal because I had paid for the book. Back in days we share many things
@sofieandersen5098
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! As a knitwear designer trying to build a stable income from knitting patterns, I have spent a lot of energy worrying about the illegal distribution of knitting patterns. I have witnessed it many times and tried my best to converse openly with people around me about this topic. It means a lot to me (and a lot of other designers I am sure) that people are beginning to talk about this. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
My pleasure Sofie. I’m so happy I can give this issue a platform. ❤️
@benjaminmarshall2768
Жыл бұрын
Another issue with digital file sharing is that it effects popularity algorithms. Even free patterns help the designer more when they’re downloaded from the original source by individual users.
@megs_ae1617
Жыл бұрын
Next can we open the can of worms that is selling products made from patterns or using a pattern and adapting it and then selling that knit item? Some patterns say you cannot sell knit items made from the pattern but apparently that’s not a thing they can control? And how do we even feel about creators doing that?
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I love me a (productive) can of worms. 😉
@angelajohnson2830
Жыл бұрын
Folks who share patterns tend to be more financially constrained. Being ethical comes so much easier to those who can afford it. Whenever someone asks me to share a pattern with them, I do, and I just buy another one.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I understand that. And like I say here, ethics can be subjective.
@jessicacollins8049
Жыл бұрын
I AM financially strained. Sharing copy righted materials is about ethics for me, not finances. I have very black and white thinking when it comes to right and wrong. Its copy righted, so to me its wring to share it.
@patriciafedler6926
Жыл бұрын
Sorry. I don’t agree. Ethics are ethics regardless of economic status. As one who grew up very very poor, I understood living without. I do applaud the fact you will buy another pattern to give. That is huge! The designer and the recipient win.
@karendavis7278
Жыл бұрын
I don’t share paid for patterns. Like you, though, it’s not something I’m faced with often as I don’t have many avid knitters near me. Another thought to consider- I also won’t share a free pattern. Rather, I like to direct the knitter to the website or platform the free pattern is on. Visiting that website or platform helps the designer because they are getting the traffic on their site. I want to support designers however I can!
@susanfoster8637
Жыл бұрын
Excellent, well informed content! Thanks. As a librarian I have a pretty good understanding of copyright laws, and I feel you summed up the whole issue very accurately.
@Marielm1
Жыл бұрын
I am impressed with your ability to convey this information. I worked in book publishing, specifically in rights, licensing and contracts for 3 decades. Brava.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! That’s a very kind compliment. I’m glad I could do it justice. ❤️
@HappyCraftyHomemaker
Жыл бұрын
Moral/ethics are very different than legal. It is an important differentiation. Thanks you for this video!
@loganknits
Жыл бұрын
This is such an amazing, thoughtful, and thorough perspective on the situation. A few things came to mind as I was watching: 1. This topic is bigger than just patterns and printed materials. The urge to share things with people comes in a lot of different forms. Whether it's sharing something with a friend, giving a gift to someone, or donating to a person in need, we do it out of good faith and with the understanding that it “feels right” and is appropriate. The real issue is that unintended consequences, particularly any loss of revenue to an independent creator, are an easy thing to overlook, especially since digital sharing has the unique advantage of being at everyone's fingertips (literally) and going unnoticed most of the time. 2. Creating a pattern and putting it out there in the world means that someone put their time, effort, stress, and anxiety into something so that other people may enjoy it. Creating patterns is tough, and maintaining the supply & demand to keep a business afloat is often a full-time commitment. Sure, it may not impact "big names" as much as it does lesser-known designers, but the principle is the same. Purchasing patterns is the simplest way to say "thank you". 3. With that said, a number of pattern creators have had some... unsavory reactions, let's say, to people obtaining their work for free (for example, informing test knitters that they will be invoiced for pattern costs if they don't complete a test knit to the designer's satisfaction). This definitely doesn't help the situation, but it does give an interesting view on the reality that's actually happening in the crafting world right now. People have the autonomy to make their own rules, and everyone is doing what they deem appropriate. 4. Regardless of what copyright law says, people are going to share patterns. Designers realize this. Knitters, too. But just because your local knitting circle does it doesn't mean that you have to, too. Being an informed consumer should be a goal no matter what you're purchasing. 5. The “TL;DR” summary to this is simple: support all creators by purchasing when possible. It’s just the right thing to do. Copyright laws can be tricky to untangle, and there are tons of scenarios that blur the lines even further, but supporting designers by purchasing their patterns is straightforward.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I love this Logan. You’re so right. It’s so much bigger than just patterns. Thank you for sharing these thoughts. 😘😘
@debradockendorf3155
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. It’s an uphill battle for many independent designers. As a designer, most of my pattern sales occur in the first few days, a week at most. Some sales do trickle in past that, but it’s one here and one there. The volume of purchases pays the bills. A designer often does not receive compensation for the time that was invested in the designing process. In many cases the designer has paid a tech editor to ensure that the pattern is accurate. The cost of a paid pattern is not much different than what someone would pay for a coffee or drink and is minuscule compared to the cost of the yarn.
@michellebee1117
Жыл бұрын
I love that you don't shy away from the spicier topics!
@staciehite6834
Жыл бұрын
I share “free” patterns by sending a link to the creator’s website. I know that those few pennies from blog ads are what makes the “free” pattern option viable.
@RhondaLorch
Жыл бұрын
Something else it may be helpful to know about is Public Lending Right which allows authors to be fairly paid each time their book is lent through public libraries. It’s a small amount to be sure but they are compensated on your behalf when you borrow their book from your local library. I’m not sure how it works in other jurisdictions but in Canada compensation comes from the Canada Council for the Arts. PLR was extended in Britain in 2017 to include e-books and e-audiobooks. Thank you for addressing this complicated and multi-layered issue Taylor. 🇨🇦💕
@jaimedill2467
Жыл бұрын
As a book editor, I especially appreciate how you represented the way book launch and revenue works and how our actions impact the author's success with their publication!
@isarose3136
Жыл бұрын
Definitely needs to be said and clarified. Thank you! I heard one designer say recently that a store was selling their patterns and not reimbursing them!
@karenalbery2773
Жыл бұрын
My mom teaches greeting card embroidery classes and designs embroidered greeting cards herself. Shes run into this issue from absolutely every angle. Knowing exactly how much of her heart and soul goes into her work and how it impacts our whole extended family and also the craft store and other related business owners and teachers she collaborates with makes we super careful to do what i can to be legal and ethical. I like to pay for patterns even when designers offer free versions and sometimes when i really appreciate someones work i buy patterns or books i realistically have no intention of ever making. And i never ever share or post anything related to a pattern except a finished object. Thanks for the thoughtful video.
@jenniferjohnson9335
Жыл бұрын
Today's was a thought-provoking post. I am happy to pay for digital download/copy and really appreciate free patterns. I have several books I own, a few I inherited, and little family to share them with, but would happily share. I tend to "do unto others as you would have done unto you", so try to do right by the pattern designers. It's only right to pay for their work, if they want a fee. Thanks for sharing your research--very interesting!
@LochBriarKnits
Жыл бұрын
Great episode, Tayler! I'm not a knitwear designer but as an author, this hits home. Here's my take from that perspective - I don't have a huge issue with someone sharing a physical copy of one of my books. While it would be better for me financially if everyone bought their own, I also think of the sharing of a physical copy as 'promo'. If the person who receives the shared copy ends up really liking the book, they are more likely to then become a regular purchaser of my books. However, I don't feel the same way about the digital version of my book and the reason behind that is that (1) the bulk of my income comes from digital sales; and (2) the piracy of my works by people who will then take that file and sell it repeatedly on their own site takes a definite chunk out of the income that puts food on the table and pays my bills. So sharing a physical book, is not the same from an income perspective (at least in my world) as sharing a digital file. Also, just as an aside, when someone borrows one of my books from the library, I also get a bit of a kick back on that which is great. So given all that, and knowing the impact repeated sharing of files can have on someone's bottom line, I will not share a digital file of a pattern. My two cents. 🙂
@alecsgirl
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for chiming in on this! Do you feel comfortable linking your work?
@emilycreager2269
Жыл бұрын
I loved this and think it needs to be addressed more in general. Do I like paying $6+ for a knitting pattern? Usually not. I don't repeat knits very often because there are too many new patterns to try out, and when I have to buy the yarn and occasionally needles to go with, I hate adding on the additional expense of a pattern. But if its something I love by a designer I like, if I can, I buy it! If not, I look elsewhere for a different pattern or try to come up with my own thing anyway (to varying degrees of success and hooray for trying new things!). I always want to do the right thing and the legal thing, as integrity is something I am imperfect at but strive for. For me I feel a bit like its a recipe in a cookbook: if there are only one or two recipes in a cookbook I like, I don't mind making a copy of those couple of recipes then selling in a garage sale or giving away the cookbook to someone who would better utilize it or sharing those recipes with a friend. Many more recipes, then maybe I keep the cookbook and buy a copy for my friend. With a knitting pattern book, I think sharing one or two patterns, if only available through the book and not individually, isn't bad, especially when letting your friend try that pattern leads them to buying the book themselves. It may not be the most legal thing, which does make me pause a little bit in claiming that opinion, but i think that's kind of where I'm at on this issue. And I'll even look for a used option before new because I can't usually afford the book at full price, and I like keeping used books in circulation to keep them from getting trashed; so while the designer may not be getting money from me because I'm buying used, I'm still trying to be legal and do the right thing by not sharing the pattern without their consent. And sharing digital patterns is definitely too sketchy for me to feel comfortable doing.
@jessmakingit
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! ❤ I am an independent designer in the quilting, crafting, & art world. Additionally, I previously was a partner in a business that represented several other independent designers, that I still work with & design for today. We run into this ALL the time. A LOT of people think that they "own" the design and can do as they please when they purchase a digital file. The simple truth is that they purchase a "license to use" the design in a way that is dictated by either the copyright holder or the distributing agent (company selling on behalf of the designer/copyright holder). Sharing a physical copy of a digital file is a violation, in my understanding, based on conversations with IP attorneys. The reason behind this is that the original distribution source was a digital file, therefore not covered under the 1908 First Sale law. Other common misconceptions of copyright are that if you change X% of a design/pattern that it's now yours. That is not true. There is no set percentage. The law actually reads, that it is a violation of copyright if the design/pattern if the resulting variant can easily be confused with the original. That does leave a huge gray area that can cause some problems. Just FYI for all readers, there is no set percentage that leaves a person in the clear. That being said, can multiple people come up with similar or even identical ideas at the same time? Absolutely, especially now that our world is so much smaller in terms of being easily & often exposed to tons of the same images, ideas, etc. I've come across other designers coming up with nearly identical design ideas within days of each other and they had no significant contact, other than perhaps being in the same city for the same event. That just tells me that something that they saw there spoke to both of them in a very similar way. It can, but doesn't always mean that one copied from the other. To muddy the waters more, the textile industry faces another type of loop hole that deals with producing designs/products that are considered of 'utilitarian value'. In many cases certain elements of a garment are not protected by copyright, however the drawing/pattern may be protected. In other words visually recreating the garment may not be a problem legally, but using the pattern/drawing and making a few changes, then claiming it as your own design is a problem, both legally & ethically. This area of non-protection is because certain items have to be created a certain way in order to produce a useful item. For example a sweater has to have some way for your head to come out, neck opening, front or back opening, etc. So the fact that there is some type of opening can't be copyright protected. However, the drawing of a specific collar with a type of stitch can be copyright protected. There are also other type of things that are too wide of a scope to discuss in a comment, but there is so many weeds in this pond that it's really difficult to navigate it all. That being said, there are also exemptions for 'educational use' that affects certain patterns/drawings/instructional materials. The specifics of which materials can be reproduced & distributed are available online in government documents. What can be copyright or trademark protected depending on the type of object created, is the graphic design portion, the logo, the specific design printed onto fabric, or other substrate. Basically, the 'artwork' is protected. The written work & word is protected. Whereas, the idea that you design a shirt that has sleeves, or the execution of making a shirt that has sleeves is not protected. It's a commonly accepted utilitarian consideration. Now that may not be exactly the right words, but I'm not an attorney, so take it for what it's worth. I just have several decades of dealing with the navigation of this swamp personally & professionally. From an ethical or just considering that a designer has put time into creating a pattern/drawing/design and that artists/makers do better when they aren't starving, it is nice to help support their efforts if you appreciate their work. Basically, I know that I can recreate a lot of knitwear, crochet, quilting designs, drawings of a lot of things without much trouble. However, I purchase the pattern anyway. I may not even use it, or even look at it. Because I like a challenge and like to figure out these things myself most of the time. But I want to support the artist/designer that gave me inspiration, who put their time in to create the pattern, even if it only serves me as a safety net, if I hit a brick wall when trying to figure out the items on my own. Ultimately, personally, I like to go forward with the idea that I want to respect their efforts in the same way that I would hope that they respect mine. Again, thank you for making this video. Any conversation that sheds light on Intellectual Property Rights is a good thing. There is so much that is misunderstood. There is so much that is still gray areas. Only by bringing those gray areas to the attention of the public, can we work toward legislation that clears them up.
@rachelmitchell2144
Жыл бұрын
Librarian here, and we deal with copyright on the regular. You explained the ins and outs so clearly, hacking a path through the weeds. Just fab. One of your best pods to date, despite there being no actual knitting content. 😆 🧶💚
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Rachel!
@cjkathe
Жыл бұрын
Great summary. I think it's interesting that libraries treat digital content as they do physical books. Being on a waitlist for digital content is a pain, but you can see why!
@SarahJo
Жыл бұрын
Something that always gets me about this is the idea of "losing money". Like the creator feels entitled to that money, but if I was never going to purchase that pattern in the first place, then no, the creator did not "lose" money, they simply did not make money off of me, those are not the same thing. This is more of an issue with large corporations, but thinking that every single person who has been shared a pattern would have bought that pattern otherwise is just not the case.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I understand what you’re saying here, however I think this issue is bigger than who may or may not have purchased a pattern had they not been lent a copy. It’s more about the principle and what is seen as acceptable and what the implications are on a broad scale. It’s important to step back and look at it like that as opposed to viewing it in isolation as a sort of microcosm of the market as a whole. As for losing money, that really does depend on whether or not the individual would have purchased the pattern otherwise and that’s something that cannot be accounted for once the pattern is given to them for free. It no longer applies. Once the pattern is given for free, the recipient is no longer in a place to have to choose to purchase it or not. They are no longer a potential customer (their interest in the pattern to begin with is what makes them a potential customer) and that indeed is potential revenue lost and in business, potential revenue is a big deal.
@SarahJo
Жыл бұрын
@@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS I can see what you mean, I just think it's more complicated than always being right or always being wrong. Especially because there's a situation where I can see the designer making more money in the long run if a friend shares a pattern with a friend. Say a friend sends me a pattern from a designer that I didn't know about, or maybe knew about but just hadn't really looked into/connected with for some reason, and then I take a look at that pattern and realize I love their writing style, or something else about them that I wouldn't have seen if I hadn't been sent the pattern. Then I end up in the long term buying patterns from them when I wouldn't have before. It is a way of word of mouth promotion for designers. Now obviously that's not always the case, and there is a balance there between potential costs and potential losses for the designer, but I just think there are nuances and saying "it's always right" or "it's always wrong" doesn't work.
@thriftythreader5998
Жыл бұрын
I have pondered this question of sharing patterns that I’ve purchased. I compare it to a dvd movie that I’ve purchased. I am free to give it or loan it to family or friend for their viewing pleasure. Similarly, If my friend and I each purchase a knit pattern and we both make them, I don’t see how that can be regulated. Conversely, if I were a knitting instructor that charged $$$ to my students and included a paid pattern that I alone purchased then I’m profiting off of someone else’s work. That’s unethical. Two friends sharing patterns shouldn’t be monetized. I have the greatest regard for knitwear pattern designers, and have happily paid $10 for a single top pattern, because I am using yarn that I’ve purchased at stash sales, gifted yarns or frogged, thrifted sweater yarn. If I had to pay $10 for a pattern and $80+ for nice natural fiber yarns, I would not be knitting. Then designers wouldn’t make any money off my purchase. I do love when designers and yarn companies offer sales on patterns!
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
@@thriftythreader5998I think it’s important to consider the fact that regulation doesn’t play a very big role here as it relates to independent creators; if it plays a role at all. So in terms of asking what essentially boils down to, “who’s going to know?” the answer is: typically, nobody will know. And when that’s the case, you need to rely on your ethics to help you decide if you should or should not share a pattern you paid for with someone else. Now as for the DVD example, this is good at illustrating the sharing of books concept and how the first sale doctrine allows us to do that legally. You want to lend your copy of Die Hard to your grandma? Totally cool. However, if we’re using DVDs to illustrate an example of a more questionable means of sharing (comparing it to sharing a printed copy of a pattern download), imagine the legal implications should you burn a copy of the DVD and give it to another person while maintaining your original copy. I have to imagine that that carries a different legal and ethical burden in your opinion. It’s no longer a 1:1 exchange. It’s quite literally reproduction and that’s a right reserved for the copyright holder (and they make that quite clear in those FBI warnings at the beginning of movies). Just a thought.
@rebeccaknudsen6190
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I borrow knitting books from the library to see if I should buy it.
@lydiachiang2337
Жыл бұрын
If I paid for it I share the link... Get your own copy, but that's how the artist makes their money. BUT if it's a free copy... It's a free copy.
@MediaPeruanaKnits
Жыл бұрын
You hit all the major points here. 👍🏼If you appreciate a designer's work and want them to continue, do what you can to put money in their pocket-or at least not take money out of it!
@debkuppusamy7912
Жыл бұрын
I do not share independent paid for patterns. However, I have occasionally loaned out books- just as our library does.
@MelindaStewart-cr7wo
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Tayler for the deep dive. Interesting topic that will only get more involved as time and technology roll on. To me it boils down to just do the right thing. Don't be doing anything that you would not want done to you. The old Golden Rule!
@lorifontaine
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tayler, as always, you are helping us see ALL sides of an issue. I paint landscapes and when I sent an image to a friend to show her, she used the image as a screen saver, thinking I should be GRATEFUL if other people saw it in her public job. Nope! Some art galleries make artists sign contracts that the art they are submitting will be the property of the gallery until it is sold or returned. If I can't even have a painting (that I painted!) on MY website, it can't be a screen saver just because somebody likes it. It is a legal/ethical issue and I'm so glad you tackled it. You are the best.
@celineocallaghan6915
Жыл бұрын
Great podcast Tayler, very informative as always. Thankyou ❤
@bettychen6401
Жыл бұрын
As an independent knitwear designer, BettyChenCreates, I truly appreciated your updated podcast which clarifies that it isn’t okay to share copyrighted patterns. I have patterns which clearly state it is not to be shared, but I also have a FREE pattern which people are allowed to share. If a pattern says it is fine to share, then feel free to give it a friend. Otherwise, please support independent designers who spend a lot time making and designing patterns. Thank you!
@shannonbrown7488
Жыл бұрын
I do agree that for the most part we should not share modern patterns from independent designers. That said I have a lot of vintage patterns which I do share since they are not commonly available. I should also point out that I have knitting, and quilting books which I do share with fellow knitters, and quilters because I know they will like them and generally once they see my copy they like them so much they go order one of there own (the most recent example of this is the book Seasonal Slow Knitting which I showed off at my knitting group and one of them took the information down to order a copy of her own). I mention this because I think it's important for designers to realize that sometimes they benefit when we share their work. Another example of this is recently I saw a KZitem video mention a designer named Anne Wood and when I went to check her out I loved her so much I bought several patterns. In conclusion it's a delicate balance....
@Animalbandittt
Жыл бұрын
Such a good discussion and I hope it inspires more and more podcasts to share! A very important topic that I have not thought much but realized now is very important. Love your work!
@kimsechrest2202
Жыл бұрын
I so agree with everything you said....and appreciate you talking about the subject. I have said "no" to friends in the past that have asked for a copy of a knitting or quilting pattern and felt kinda of bad doing that--but it's my ethical feelings that tells me it's the right thing to do for me. So thanks for validating my position in not sharing any pattern with friends. Thanks Taylar.
@lainieepstein7753
Жыл бұрын
We've had this discussion in our knitting group. We all have diverse knitting styles and yarn choices but there are times when some of us are drawn to a pattern. Thanks for doing the research (love the throw back to a supreme court decision about publications) and having the input of pattern designers to summarize it. I have a curiosity about yarn shops (online and physical locations) that provide a printed or pdf file of a pattern at no additional cost to the buyer.
@darbystaton3192
Жыл бұрын
Copyright law is such a fascinating topic. It’s frankly really hard to protect intellectual property. It’s a very beautiful thing when people respect what another has created and shared. And truly, when it comes to knitting/crocheting patterns, they’re at most $10. That not much to help support an independent designer.
@octoberedith1404
Жыл бұрын
I really don't think the US copyright laws could get any more complicated. Our library system has the US copyright statute posted at their copy machines, with a statement that it is illegal even to make copies of copyrighted material. And, as a lifelong creator, I have always struggled with selling something I've made that wasn't my ORIGINAL idea. (Et*y, I'm looking at you.) The best legal advice I ever read was there's no such thing as an original idea, plot, pattern, etc. and what is made from that idea, plot, pattern, etc. is the maker's interpretation. Now we're off into derivative vs. copyright, and that's a whole other thing on it's own. Bottom line for me is I'm glad my personal knitting circle isn't big enough for others to ask for the patterns I've used, because, I would frankly make up an excuse of why I couldn't give it to them. I once referred someone to a library book for a pattern, and then regretted it as they remarked it would make a good craft fair item. Thanks for covering this, Tayler. Something I am very interested in.
@Kaila999
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this thoughtful followup to your earlier episode! I really respect that you revisited the issue of sharing paid-for patterns, thereby offering your viewers a fuller understanding of the issues. All the best!
@KimClinger
Жыл бұрын
Well said Taylor! Thanks for setting us straight! ❤
@suzannecarr5871
Жыл бұрын
You obviously did some serious homework and I so appreciate the information and especially the emphasis on acting ethically if there is a grey area.
@annab.5052
Жыл бұрын
Great video! What about photo-copying a pattern from a book/magazine and sharing it? My mother and her friends did this all the time. Copyright violations happen all the time in the quilting world too. I have seen unethical quilters figured out a pattern from another quilter's blog or vlog (created to promote their business) and claim it as their own in major quilt festival competitions (where prizes can worth thousands of dollars). It is than up to the real designer to hold the fake designer accountable by hiring a lawyer to collect damages. Since this rarely happens due the sheer expense of it all, some very talented quilt designers have stopped digital sharing completely (whether it be blog, vlog, or digital downloads). There is also the problem of people taking photos of quilts at quilt shows and applying the image to bags, t-shirts, scarves, puzzles, etc. for their own profit. Thus, many quilt show no longer allow photography -- you have to buy the program book. All of this has made me think twice about sharing my creations on social media. When I do, I use photoshop to put a watermark over the photo (something like "This image can not be reproduced") -- my family and friends forgive me for this, and I do not care if the people who want to steal my design for profit or prestige are annoyed.
@kit000003
Жыл бұрын
I have my patterns saved as PDFs for the most part and just print them to use them. If I gave away my printed copy, I would then need (and be able to) print another copy for my own use. This steals money from the pattern creator, especially since I could do that multiple times and only have a cost of a few sheets of paper.
@fleeperification
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with everything you said here, and appreciate the research behind it. Now, I am curious for opinions on this one. Thoughts on sharing a pattern that is no longer available to purchase with a friend? I feel like this is a gray area..
@genier7829
Жыл бұрын
Norman at Nimble Needles did a related topic and I stumped him with this query. What about digital patterns that are no longer for sale? Can I buy a digital copy from someone who has it? Or could that person give it to me for free? I'm not talking vintage, just something recent within ten years, for example. I can't pay the designer, I can't buy a used book/booklet, so what do you think?
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I think this is a new issue now that digital content is so prevalent. I have to imagine if the item is not on the market, then it’s fair use. But I’m not certain. Great question!
@mistakkesweremade
Жыл бұрын
Depends on why the designer removed it too, no? A lot of former designers leave their stuff on rav. Some don't. Some explain why it's gone, some don't. If someone removed their pattern for purchase for legal or personal reasons, it seems it's less a legal question than a question of are you willing to disrespect their wishes. In fairness, you don't know why that's their wish, and it certainly goes against yours, but it is a choice they made to remove that pattern from the digital world.
@anhu8528
Жыл бұрын
Great program! I don't mind sharing free patterns, but I don't share paid for patterns. Since I download them to my tablet, I can't print them off. Technically, I could print them from another device, but thankfully no one asks. Like you, I prefer to support the designers. Thanks so much for sharing this info!
@angelawesneski5029
Жыл бұрын
I generally don't share paid for patterns. However, I'm an elementary school teacher, and I'm starting a knitting and crocheting club at my school. I think I'm going to develop a library-like policy where students can check out patterns that our club has purchased, then return them when they're done. If they've made notes or crossed things out, I might print another copy and throw the first one away so another student can use the pattern. I think this is fair, as my school can not afford to purchase a dozen digital copies of a pattern.
@patriciafedler6926
Жыл бұрын
I think you will find, for your purposes, you can find free versions of what you want to use for instructional purposes. I’m a former teacher, librarian, and have been knitting for 60+ years… I truly can’t imagine anything complex enough for your beginners that you couldn’t find in a free format.
@TehTeh911
Жыл бұрын
Maybe get them laminated and the kids can use dry erase markers to mark their rows
@kno1ok
Жыл бұрын
What a great opportunity you have here to talk about legal and ethical sharing, as well as teaching knitting and crocheting!
@noelleparris9451
Жыл бұрын
I used to give friends copies of patterns (many years ago) and I never thought about the issues you brought up here then. But thank you. I definitely see the importance of supporting designers by NOT sharing their work/patterns that way. In the future I'll purchase the pattern for friends if they're interested. I don't think a lot of people understand the issue, and I think you did a wonderful job explaining the major points. Loved the way you incorporated the weeds in your ramble!
@maryfoster5189
Жыл бұрын
I think years ago most patterns for sale were by yarn companies or professional people trained in design. Now many patterns are written by people with no training and the quality varies wildly.
@knitgirl.7676
Жыл бұрын
Interesting and confusing topic. I buy most of my knitting books used so that is good to know and I do let my friends and family borrow my books - knitting and otherwise- although I don’t have many knitting friends or family either. No different than checking one out of a library. I don’t share digital patterns- to me that is a different. I never did understand the part on some copyright that says that you can’t sell the finished item that you make with the pattern. It doesn’t impact me as I don’t sell my knitting- but that is a bit over the top IMHO. What if someone buys the pattern for a knitter to make an item for them for a fee?
@KathiTrujillo-kn6qn
Жыл бұрын
I so agree about respecting the time and work that goes into publishing patterns. I will support the creativity by purchasing a pattern instead of " borrowing". Only exception is free patterns, where I feel that sharing is helping the designer to reach a larger audience.
@CanadianCrocheter
Жыл бұрын
I have another scenario which confuses me. I can purchase a book to gift to someone but the only site that I have been able to gift patterns from is Ravelry. I even reached out to Lovecrafts and directly asked how I can gift a pattern to someone, and they responded with “it’s not possible “. I’ll take it even further… I would love to buy a pattern and all the supplies for it and gift it but how would I do that if it’s a digital pattern without ruining the surprise? Or I’ll go one further… how do I purchase a digital pattern to gift someone if they aren’t digitally savvy or don’t have a printer? These things perplex me
@Croch80HD
Жыл бұрын
Good questions, Deb!
@nicola.p
Жыл бұрын
For me I would buy it and print it for the gift, then delete the file and not use it for myself without buying a 2nd copy.
@Croch80HD
Жыл бұрын
@@nicola.p That's the way I would think to do it. 👍🏽
@nancyisenberg6371
Жыл бұрын
Great video and information! I totally agree with your stand. Thank you!
@annr5404
Жыл бұрын
Creatives often have a difficult enough time with people’s lack of respect in regard to the legitimacy of their work. Paying for service, product, performance etc is both an ethical and respectful response.
@docksjodesign206
Жыл бұрын
In Sweden the libraries need to pay the license owner for each lending, sharing in all forms are illegal, only exception being secondhand physical books.
@lieslnew8247
Жыл бұрын
Wow Tayler. Thank you for doing this research. Definitely a lot to think through the next time someone asks me for the pattern of something I have made.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
My pleasure Liesl. Thank you for watching!
@isarose3136
Жыл бұрын
Just want to add that if someone can't afford a pattern, that's not an excuse to obtain a shared copy. I've heard that argument many times.
@needlepullingthread1573
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your research, as a avid crochet, knitter, and cross stitch, if some one sees me working on one and they ask for the pattern I will give them mine and order a new one. At Lila’s I have purchased a couple Quakers Welcome. I mean, they want and deserve to live on what they sell. And really it’s not going to break me.
@candacesuderman6848
Жыл бұрын
Hi Taylor, I love your information about pdf’s for knitting or crocheting patterns. Very informative, keep up the good work.
@feltlikeitbydebs
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making me think. You have made a great difference starting this conversation.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
Thank YOU for taking the time. I’m glad that this was helpful or eye-opening. I learned so much as well. ❤️
@sisterstephanie2557
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information. Now, the conundrum to be faced is what to say when someone asks us to share a pattern. Anyway, I'd like to hear you discuss the prospect of selling items that we have knitted. I see many patterns that explicitly state that the designer does not want us to sell what we have knitted. I don't understand why this is a problem. Very rarely will my sale prevent someone from buying the pattern and knitting it themselves,
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I understand what you’re saying here and I also wonder about how to navigate what could become an awkward exchange between friends when one asks another to borrow a copy of a knitting pattern. I think it’s up to us how we handle this. If it’s something that could cause a lot of awkward energy, it’s important to weigh out the circumstances. I personally wouldn’t judge either way. We’re all just doing our best. ❤️
@nefraial
Жыл бұрын
Whether someone wants you to sell something or not, that is your decision to make. Not theirs. When you sell your product, you are not selling the pattern nor any tools you acquired to produce it but the materials and labour you used to produce it. There is also no law stopping you from reselling an item made by somebody else.
@maryannc7223
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for addressing this important topic. I’m not a lawyer either, but I’m a librarian who deals with copyright issues a lot. I have designed exactly one publishable knitting pattern and it wasn’t even particularly complicated, but I was surprised at how much work it was to get the chart exactly right, make sure the instructions were clear, etc. I haven’t published it - maybe later - but when I think about also paying a tech editor and/or a photographer, I wonder if it would sell well enough to make any money at all. (I might just publish it for free with my own lousy photography and no tech editing.) I have always been respectful of knitwear designer’s copyright, but this brief design experience gave me a renewed appreciation for the time and creativity it takes for a designer to make a good pattern. To not give them their due compensation is literally the same as not compensating any other professional for their work. That said, one element of copyright law that might be of interest in this context is the right to make copies of physical items for personal use. This varies by country, but in the United States, you can legally make a copy of a pattern you own for your personal use. You might want to copy a pattern you already own so that you can write notes on it or make a version more portable than carrying an entire book. Legally, you can also copy a small portion (such as one pattern of many) from a book that you’ve legally acquired, such as through purchase or borrowing from a library, and then sell that book - or return it to the library - and still keep your copied portion for your personal use. What you can’t do, legally, is distribute that copied portion or keep a copy of a substantial portion of the work, such as photocopy of the whole book or multiple patterns. The details of all this are part of the “Fair Use” doctrine (in case someone wants to look it up) which gets into all kinds of details about the purpose the of the use, impact on the market value of the work, etc. This is a case where an individual might want to make a personal decision about whether saving one pattern copied from a book is ethical, because they’re keeping a copy without additional compensation to the creator, but in most cases it would be legal.
@TehTeh911
Жыл бұрын
I think that if the other person maybe can't afford it, but you can, still just pay for it again. Although I think there is something to be said about the assumption of a purchase being accessible by a household. If we're in the same household, my knitting library is their knitting library too, the same as my Netflix account. If it's a corporate produced pattern, well, let's just say I'm not going to be jumping through ethical hoops.
@catherinebuttrick5678
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information. We all need to hear this, and I appreciate your research and how you have explained everything.
@juliaboles7138
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to investigate and inform us. There is some really good food for thought here.
@Thehighfiberdiet
Жыл бұрын
You also need a disclaimer that this is copyright of the US. As Ravelry and LoveCrafts are international, other laws apply.
@Marielm1
Жыл бұрын
She does not need a disclaimer. She said this is based on her research and her opinions.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I am not providing legal advice here. I am providing information I’ve gleaned from my own personal research. If you have questions regarding the laws in your area, I definitely suggest doing that research as well. All that said, I did provide a note regarding this in my pinned comment.
@JeaWis
Жыл бұрын
After watching several videos on this subject I direct others to the source of the pattern. The ravelry sight, book or magazine. Even if it is a free pattern I am not an authorized distributor. Most books can be found in a public library.
@christianavance9124
Жыл бұрын
We learned about this in middle school and high school band about the copies we were given of the music we played.
@pennyc6316
Жыл бұрын
Copyright is very clear in Canada. It is illegal to share patterns. No gray area at all. 👍
@madisonheise
Жыл бұрын
I would probably never share a paid pattern with anyone as in give them a copy of it or send it to them. Because even if they don’t plan on selling the finished item and just keep it for themselves you never know if they will also then send it to anyone so you sharing it with one person could turn into many more people getting the pattern for free. I also feel like if you want to make something that badly just buy the pattern yourself. Most patterns are less than $10 so if you’re willing and able to spend much more on yarn and other materials then it shouldn’t be a big deal to buy the pattern for yourself. No one close to me crochets the way I do (variety of items, wearables, home goods, stuffed animals, etc) My sister in law recently learned to crochet and I made her a sweater from a paid pattern and she made a comment about wanting to make one too and was asking questions regarding if i still had the pattern and if I’ll always have it and so on. I told her how much the pattern was and where she could buy it herself. Follow up question though, the pattern is saved to my computer so would you feel it’s an issue if I let her look at the pattern on my computer without it being sent to her so she would not have her own copy of it and is just using it from my own file?
@colorjunkie
Жыл бұрын
I don't share books, because I never get them back. If I have a book that I think someone will love- I will give them the book and then buy myself another copy. Or- I will buy the book for them. Either way- the author is getting their money. Same with patterns.
@alisonsmith376
Жыл бұрын
Thoughtful comments, Tayler. Thanks.
@sewcellosusan8664
4 ай бұрын
This librarian especially enjoyed this one!
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!😘😘
@karachickering6769
Жыл бұрын
Excellent review, thoughtful and thorough. Thank you, Tayler!
@annulla3812
Жыл бұрын
Once I bought a digital copy of a knitting book and I got sent a pdf of the book. Usually when buying ebooks you are given protected files that are hard to share, but apparently the knitting community and even the publishers trust more the costumers than technology 😅
@debraraymer3386
Жыл бұрын
I am a lawyer and you have summarized the issue perfectly, except I do not think it is an ethical or moral issue. It is a legal issue. Suppose you give a digital copy of a pattern to your friend. She distributes it to the world on her blog. She owes no duty to the copywriter owner, you do.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your comment. That means an awful lot to me. And you’re absolutely right. If something is illegal it’s illegal and for all intents and purposes, if it’s illegal, it’s unethical. I think the discussion of ethics here really stems from the gray area of things where the law is not exactly clear. However despite my saying that some of these areas are gray (because I’m only a layman), I feel quite confident that if they’re gray, then they’re most likely not 100% above board, legally speaking. Thank you for your input here Debra. ❤️
@risapulver
Жыл бұрын
I loved the podcast, Tayler. So smart. Your podcast is one of my absolute favs in the knitting world. The designers who create these patterns are doing so for their livelihood. There are plenty of free patterns out there for those people who don’t want to buy a pattern. I would hate to be put in the position of someone asking me to share the pattern that I bought. This situation I am quite sure happens a lot. There are those people who think nothing of asking to borrow because they don’t want to pay for something like a pattern. Whether someone can or can’t afford it is not the issue. It is a business and people should understand that this type of business is based on people each paying for the pattern. I don’t think sharing the pattern with someone in your own household is such a big deal. As long as they don’t share it. Hopefully most people do the right thing 🤷♀️.
@kayladernier1314
Жыл бұрын
You can always message individual designers and ask them about their copy-write when it comes to sharing with a friend, or if you are teaching a class, many will have a lower price for a bulk pattern purchase and things like that.
@alecsgirl
Жыл бұрын
Great video! I think this is an important issue to discuss, not just for protecting someone’s intellectual property, but also the knitwear designer’s time, photography, and tech editing expenses (etc.). I am someone who will debate on whether we “need” an item costing $10; however, when it comes to knitting patterns that are well-written and tested, I think it’s an absolute bargain. Just my two cents. Though this is probably an easier ethical decision for me since I don’t personally know any obsessive knitters like myself. ☺️ If you have someone in your life who expects you to lend them a digital pattern, you can always purchase and gift an additional copy to that person and avoid slippery ethics that way.
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
100%. Especially the gifting of the pattern to avoid an awkward situation. ❤️
@Mollydogdesigns
Жыл бұрын
Wow! This was very informative, thanks! I try to support all types of small businesses as much as possible. So I’d never consider stealing from them and now that includes knitting pattern designs. To be clear, I’ve just started buying patterns after enjoying free ones on Ravelry ( and I have not shared them). So in the future if I wanted to share a digital pattern with a friend. I’d purchase an additional copy for them….thanks for the education 😄❤️🧶
@julielandy9162
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the research and simplifying the legalese. Well done. ❤
@Atnow24
Жыл бұрын
My only two cents to add here is that the presumed degradation of the value of books is irrelevant to the conversation of first sale doctrine. Just a brief example that surprised me when seeking out some well known designers books recently: Because knitting books are often printed in such short runs, there are a variety of books that are now in high and costly demand because the better known designers who obtained those book deals have still-loyal and growing followings outside of the indie-designer pattern market in Ravelry. Thanks for a thoughtful video as always! Cheers!
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
Жыл бұрын
I understand what you're saying here regarding the degradation of a book not being an issue as it relates to first sale doctrine, however what I said here was that because digital files to not experience degradation, like a used book, attempting to create a market for used digital goods or developing a digital goods first sale doctrine, is not feasible. I linked to a case study in the description the discusses this issue if you're interested. Anyhow, thank you for watching and for this example you provided!
@madisonhuish4747
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad the knitting community has brought this question up! I have so many follow up questions and would love peoples thoughs. Sometimes I'll see a beautiful knit stitch pattern and place it into my own work. For example, I bought a paid for sweater pattern and loved the stitch pattern so much I used it on a bag I made up. If I ever sold this bag pattern would that be a copyright issue because I used the same stitches? (Don't worry I don't plan on selling patterns, just curious). Or if I see a sweater in a store and write my own pattern to copy the store sweaters stitch pattern would that be a copyright issue? I have never thought about this before and now I'm questioning everything. What do other people think?
@jessicacollins8049
Жыл бұрын
I dont share purchased patterns printed or digital. It hurts the designers. If a friend likes a pattern they should pay for it.
@carolinedubose5136
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Taylor for all of the information you shared with us.
@dawnupperman524
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for clarifying that about sharing patterns. Great info!
@megancalderon661
Жыл бұрын
Great information! Thank you so much. Definitely something worth thinking about and figuring out.
@bonnielundholm5535
Жыл бұрын
Very well said! Thanks for explaining so thoroughly.
@everystitchaprayer6268
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful video! Really helped answer some questions I had!
@susinok
9 ай бұрын
Sharing or giving away a paper copy of a digital pattern DOES violate copyright. Using someone's pattern in a class and handing out paper copies also violates the law unless the author was paid for each copy handed out. There is a subset of people out there who think that if it is on the internet, it SHOULD be free, and they are wrong. Ethically and legally. I quit a job once over copyright! I was working at a private college and to save money they wanted me to make copies of a text book as a hand out and they were going to return the originals for a refund. I went home, printed out the copyright law that pertained and handed it to them with my resignation the next day. That college went out of business less than a year later.
@susinok
9 ай бұрын
Compare the paper copy of a PDF to a taped copy of CD back in the day. Making and giving away that copy, even in another form, violates copyright.
@ddb777
7 ай бұрын
I have never been in this situation, but what if your sister, mom or a really close friend wants to take a look at a pattern or even recreate it, what do you say to them- go buy it yourself if you want it? And other thing I don't understand is why do most of the designers prohibit someone of selling a knitted item from a pattern they created. If I bought the patter,. the yarn and I put the hours of knitting something, why shouldn't I be able to sell the item if someone is interested in buying it? 🤷♀ If I don't wear a sweater which I knitted two years ago anymore and someone wants it and is willing to pay for it, why am I prohibited on making some money on my hard work because the pattern, which I paid for, is created by someone else?
@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS
7 ай бұрын
I think all of these are reasonable questions and ones so many folks have, including myself. I think whatever you would choose to do in either of these scenarios would be perfectly ok, despite what is considered “ethical”. This is not black and white.
@ddb777
7 ай бұрын
@@WOOLNEEDLESHANDS It just feels so surreal to see a reply from you while I am watching/listening to your videos (even those I have watched a couple of times in the past) the whole day while doing my house chores and knitting in between. I thank you for it 🥰❤️ I have indeed many questions concerning patterns. Pricing is one of them. I get every designer is free to price their patterns as they choose, but why is someone's pattern worth 6 Euro and other's 10? 🤷♀️ It is clearly not a matter of how creative and unique a pattern is 🤷♀️ I swear I have seen sock patterns for 9 Euro on ravelry. It is also an interesting topic, at least for me 🤗
@annedavis3100
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Taylor great research! I would not share a pattern for ethical reasons but one viewer commented on knitwear sold from a purchased pattern. Most patterns specifically state this is illegal yet I know someone who knits baby sweaters from a paid for pattern and sells a lot of them on Etsy. Who is responsible in this case Etsy or the knitter?
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