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@wiggesobk
Жыл бұрын
Nerding out about headphones sounds good lol
@kitgroovemachine
Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing, another factor for a home studio is the phones help keep the peace with others other people having to listen to a song so many times through the speakers !
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
A great consideration! -Justin
@joshhanson9321
Жыл бұрын
Yes please do updated headphone roundup!
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
On it! When I do, you'll find it here: sonicscoop.com/the-best-open-back-headphones-for-mixing-and-mastering/ -Justin
@patrickfouhy9102
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Scheps has been mixing in $100 Sony 7506 headphones for years. I'm so glad that the "don't mix on headphones" myth is starting to get properly refuted. I was mixing on headphones in my apartment almost 10 years ago, and I was getting decent results for someone who had just started mixing. I saw somewhere this laundry list of reasons why I shouldn't mix on headphones, so I stopped. I was told it would be detrimental to me becoming a good mix engineer, so I started mixing on my studio monitors and I spent YEARS trying to figure out why my mixes on my fairly decent Focal Alpha studio monitors weren't as good as the mixes I did on my Shure SRH440 headphones. I spent time and money treating my control room the best I could, I got so discouraged at one point I almost quit mixing because I just couldn't make a mix that translated from my studio to any other speaker. Not to mention, I had to tied to my studio desk for mixing, so that wasn't giving me as much time to work on the craft of mixing as I wanted. Then I saw that Scheps and many other big boy mix engineers use headphones and have been for a long time. I'd since broke my Shure SRH 440 headphones (a bass drum rolled over them haha) but I had a pair of Sony 7506 headphones laying around, so I put them on, and within an hour of working on a mix I had a better, more natural sounding mix than I would have gotten in 5 hours using my monitors in my room. My studio is a tracking studio, the control room just isn't big enough to translate low end. I used EQ to alter the output of the monitors, but that only helped so much. Popping headphones on also means I can mix at home again. YAY!
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Wow, great story to hear Patrick! Unfortunately, some people will give you advice that serves THEIR interests rather than yours. If you've invested a lot in speakers and room treatment and you are trying to mix for others, it's potentially in your short term self interest to persuade others that they just don't have the tools to try it themselves. This is weird to me, because throughout history, professionals in music have earned a large portion of their income by helping others learn how to do music even better on their own as their hobby. I don't see why this shouldn't extend to mixing and the like. That said, if you gave me the choice of super nice high end speakers in a well treated room and inexpensive headphones, I'd take the super nice high end speakers, because I believe they help. But at the lower end, $300 headphones can sometimes substantially outperform $1000 speakers when the room isn't up to par. And at the higher end, the results from $4,000 headphones can be competitive with some very, very expensive speaker-based monitoring solutions. Very best, Justin
@patrickfouhy9102
Жыл бұрын
@@SonicScoop oh absolutely. Thanks for the response. I’d certainly prefer to mix on my speakers, but the room I’m in right now is impossible. Like I said, it’s a tracking studio. The live room is one of a kind amazing, it gets compared to London Bridge studio here in Seattle all the time. But the control room is so small. Haha. My partner and I are hopefully going to be able to buy a house in the next year or two and I’ll see if I can’t get a decent mixing room built in there. Until then, I’m mixing in headphones. Haha.
@cyber-db-6
Жыл бұрын
I master on audeze lcd-x paired with rme adi-2 dac! Clients are happy 😊
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you’ve found something that works for you! -Justin
@brentjohnson7044
Жыл бұрын
This was a timely video for me. I am new to mixing, so as I see it the most important thing I need to do is develop my ears. But it seemed to me that the chances of getting my room right at the outset were pretty slim, especially since I don't have a developed ear in the first place. So I figured I would be better off learning to hear on a nice flat set of headphones. I just got my new Audeze MM-500's back from Sonarworks in Latvia this week, where they were individually calibrated. If I can't learn on those, I reckon I can't learn at all.
@cary3428
Жыл бұрын
100% ! I’ve been in the music / audio business for decades now, playing live since ‘76 and producing and engineering since ‘84. I take my hat off to everyone who is learning how to make good sounding records and have never had there hands on a compressor, a 24 channel desk or miked up a kit, etc. It’s serious work to get competent at this game no matter where you start. If I were in your shoes I would do exactly what your doing. There are about five YT channels that will show you all you need to know, ( and Bobby Owsinski’s book ). Those cans with the Sonorworks correction will take you a long way down your path. Get a $100 little Bluetooth speaker and check mixes with that as well. Consistently reference outside material. Oh, and limit yourself to 10 plugins your first year and know that there are no “ tricks” only procedures. Have fun.
@brentjohnson7044
Жыл бұрын
Thanks @@cary3428, I appreciate the encouraging words. All the more so since I bought Bobby Owsinski's not too long ago. (However, I hope VSTs are not included in that 10-plugin limit.)
@sub-jec-tiv
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Super agree with all of this. Another thing is, back in the 60s and 70s, people used to almost always listen to music on speakers. Since the Walkman and then iPod happened, increasingly since the 80s, people listen in headphones. If you don’t use headphones as a reference at least, you are simply not doing your job. Checking your mix on phones is a must, which is why i have an excellent pair of pro headphones (Hifiman with a DAC), but also i keep a pair of Beats headphones around and believe it or not listening on those bass-hyped consumer phones can be super helpful. Beats phones are, like it or not, a medium a vast vast number of people are listening on, so i consider them a helpful tool. Like the car-stereo test, which i also always recommend to people. My headphone advice: turn the volume down and listen. Listen at all volume levels. Crucial imho.
@practice_Chinese_yoga
Жыл бұрын
Great review, discussion, and news Justin!
@jewlz_verne
Жыл бұрын
I’d definitely love a video on the best headphones for mixing at different price points, and and maybe some suggestions for headphone amps.
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Working on it Jewlz! -Justin
@chungang7037
Жыл бұрын
After trying modern analytical/detail oriented headphones I realized that most albums must have been mixed on monitors/gear that was not analytical or detailed, and probably smoothed over the defects in the recordings and mixes. Many are downright painful to listen to, and can ruin an album for you until you get a headphone that is on the opposite side of the spectrum (laid back, smoothed over sound, less detail in many cases). It does not help that a lot of these modern analytical headphones are tuned to be overly bright and sterile sounding, but I guess if I was mixing today I would want something like that to reveal where the recording is sibilant or messed up in some way.
@BinExis
Жыл бұрын
In recent 2-3 years mixing in headphones went a really long way with the release of new tools to mix in headphones, like Slate VSX, AA Sienna and more. I'm a Realphones user from 2019 and really happy with it.
@gibson2623
Жыл бұрын
Still headphones.... most of these apps make the headphones even more fake. I never like this option, but it s great it works for you, of course.
@magneticpitch
Жыл бұрын
definitely YES please a current round-up of best headphones for mixing & mastering!! thanks!! ASAP!! lol
@manykzdj792
7 ай бұрын
Hey, you should do a video above headphone amps cuz that topic is mandatory!!!
@tiffanyflanagan1892
Жыл бұрын
I get great results with Slate VSX and my Audeze LCD-5s. Especially using Mike Dean’s NS10s and Car. The room response in the emulations let you accurately time your reverb decays. It translates wonderfully.
@themastroiannis
Жыл бұрын
fantastic intro/ insight into mixing with headphones! would love your take on best headphones for mixing and mastering at different price points (for sure you have not listened to all(!), but the ones you are familiar with). I've been recently using a pair of Audeze LCD-X and my mixes and mastering projects (jazz, classical, folk rock) went from night to day! absolutely love them!! would love to have a second pair of something else for reference. Some that come to mind: HEDDphone, Neumann NDH 20 or 30, Focal Clear or Clear MG. Had the Beyerdynamics DT1990 for a short while, but the extra presence on treble frequencies really caused ear fatigue and a true lack of objectivity on critical decisions. I ended selling them.... anyway, i DO hope you make a second video with info on cans you would recommend. Thanks for all you do!
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Will do! It’s coming. Remember to like comment, subscribe and hit the notification bell to see more like it :-) -Justin
@iantanner7579
Жыл бұрын
I'm most definitely not a professional, but I've been messing around with outboard, synthesizers, samplers, mixing desks, etc since the mid 80s. My first "pro" monitors were just a pair of NS10m, with an Alesis RA100 amp, eventually sold them to my older brother. Then, I bought a pair of Mackie HR624 mk1 monitors, which I preferred, I see them as miniture versions of the Reggae soundsystem speakers I grew up with clubbing around North London, - they have a harder sound, but personally, I found them more focused than the Yamahas, great for listening back, though probably not so good for critical, professional, mixing purposes. Anyway, at around the same time I bought the Mackie monitors, I also bought a pair of Sennheiser HD600 headphones, and I was absolutely blown away at all the extra detail they exposed, up until then I'd been using a set of DT770pro and compared to the HD600, well there is no comparison IMHO. With the HD600 I can really appreciate the finer details added to a signal, for example, like the clarity one gets from the transformer saturation of a Radial JDI box, and so on... I still have the Mackies, but they've been boxed up now for over a decade. The HD600 are still going strong, and I have a pair of HD650 also, but I use those just for the listening experience, as they have a slightly extended bass response, which can get in the way when having to hear things more critically. love to ALL, feel no hate
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comment. The 600s absolutely excel in giving good, clean, detailed, unhyped top end. Some absolutely great headphones for a secondary reference check. The top end detail is better on them than the Blues I mentioned for sure. (The Blues are a bit dark on top, which is actually helpful for me. But different people have different biases that they need to compensate for.) My only concern is that producers and mixers who use them to help compensate for a system that is misleading in the lows won’t get much additional support there from them. Still can be a great choice for many people though! Hope that makes sense, Justin
@iantanner7579
Жыл бұрын
@@SonicScoop makes perfect sense, much appreciated too btw, superb content
@Charlie_Echo
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Justin! I'd definitely appreciate a headphones roundup including those Neumanns you spoke about.
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
They just came in the mail the other week. Should be doing this soon :-) -Justin
@edwardrivera7690
Жыл бұрын
Just recieved a pair of DT 900 PRO X headphones to compliment my DT 770 - 80ohm...would love to know your thoughts if you get to try them
@angelestevis7544
Жыл бұрын
Beyerdynamic 770 studio ..great if your on a budget
@kattysat
Жыл бұрын
I got them, do the job for my level as I'm no professional. I find if you mix with a reference track as a guide (similar genre) and get used to your headphones response then play your music on various output platforms like mobile phones, in the car, on external monitors etc. and play a professional reference track on the same devices you can get used to what your monitoring source can do.
@mikewallace1270
Жыл бұрын
And just like you might do with your monitor speakers check a good reference mix on your headphones before you start using them.
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Got to tune yourself. You are an instrument! -Justin
@tylerwinter512
7 ай бұрын
Mixing in headphones is not the worst thing in the world, I just don’t like wearing headphones AT ALL. I would say be careful with volume though, it’s easy to mix too loud tiring your ears.
@danymalsound
Жыл бұрын
Slate VSX is all you will ever need... or Ollo's if you don't want to use a plugin
@nomad1517
Жыл бұрын
I don't know why it's actually not mandatory to mix with cans. You're going to do it on planes, trains, Uber, and in the studio. Might as well.
@edmoss2020
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this, great info.......thanks
@indie12
4 ай бұрын
thank you. best video in youtube about this topic. subscribed, can you suggest a good plugin where i can mix 5.1 sound for my short film?greeting from india
@antonyharding5360
Жыл бұрын
Hi, so much useful information, I feel I can trust your words, Genuine information... Thankyou... Regards Antony, Warrington Cheshire
@BWOGG
8 ай бұрын
How about lcd-x powered with topping a90/d90? Will they deliver the same experience as studio monitors?
@ramonf.9217
Жыл бұрын
It would be valuable to hear your approach when you are mixing with headphones
@The_Absurdistt
3 ай бұрын
Nuemann NDH30 for the win... at least for me.
@SonicScoop
3 ай бұрын
Those are good headphones! -Justin
@josephramone5805
Жыл бұрын
Truth!!
@iamtygar
7 ай бұрын
Thoughts on Beyerdynamic dt990s?
@XmenPlayTheXbox
Жыл бұрын
What about using Apple Airmax Pros and then using sonarworks to fix the frequency response?
@BillyBoi911
Жыл бұрын
What do you think about Sonarworks SoundID reference for mixing on headphones? Have you tried it?
@angelestevis7544
Жыл бұрын
tried it didnt work just like all those nx plugs
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Yes! It’s a good optioned and that kind of thing is mentioned in the full episode. I don’t use them on my Blues because I got to know them so we’ll before Sonarworks was on my radar, and I didn’t want to have to relearn them. It can be helpful in many situations though. For headphones, the basic version only corrects for the average response of that model, which is better than nothing in most cases, but it’s not quite as good as paying extra and sending your headphones in to get a custom correction curve. A nice option too if you can justify it, or want to buy new corrected headphones from them. Hope that helps, -Justin
@danielkisel5661
Жыл бұрын
I would say study their curves as well as other headphone reviewers frequency response graphs and EQ them yourself go with maybe 50% rule to not tweak every little peak or dip but do broader moves and fix critical issues and you will improve them but not lose "their" sound. Sound ID is okay and sometimes quite shocking I've Bought individually calibrated DT770Pro from them way back ago, but I always found their EQ curves to not suite my preference curves and make Headphones sounding too boring. But now you can use their curves and decide which portion of the spectrum you want to leave unaffected and even add your own EQ moves inside Sound ID I think it's pretty good stuff especially if you don't know how to read headphone measurements that are available on the Internet correctly.
@MikaelRatilainen
2 ай бұрын
Hi. great advices! i am worried about hearing loss. How can i know my headphones are too loud? well obviously my ears hurt but is there a way to measure decibels or something to know when my headphones are just too loud
@SonicScoop
2 ай бұрын
There is only one device I know of that does this. A little pricey, but it can be super useful, especially for professional touring musicians. www.sensaphonics.com/products/db-check-pro
@MikaelRatilainen
2 ай бұрын
@@SonicScoop Looks nice! but yes very pricey indeed. How does pro mixing engineers balance the volume in phones. Is the only way, "if your ears hurt it is too loud"
@xMaSSxHyST3RiA
Жыл бұрын
I use HD 280 pro for sound selection and rough mix then HD650 to add some space and polish. Seems to work for rap beats anyway
@necroticpoison
Жыл бұрын
Hey Justin, thoughts on mixing and mastering (metal) on M50x's? Been thinking of buying/swapping to DT 1770's. Are they worth the price considering I have M50x's?
@vitaliistep
Жыл бұрын
I agree that it's possible to work with sound on headphones, but only after the moment you have worked enough on decent studio monitors to know how it should sound properly, what to listen to and what are the differences between the sound on headphones and studio monitors. Your own story and examples about other engineers prove it. Without that prior experience you will be just delaying your progress and fooling yourself in my opinion, no matter how expensive and good your headphones are, they can't sound the same and give the same quality of information about sound as studio monitors. It doesn't mean that you can't learn by using what you have at the moment (not expensive monitors in not ideal room or headphones), but you just need to be realistic, monitoring on headphones and on studio monitors are two completely different experiences and information quality levels.
@sarbansingh2362
Жыл бұрын
Hey Justin when will you make a review of Neumann Ndh30 headphones
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
I hope to have my headphone roundup out in June. -Justin
@bjmora9612
Жыл бұрын
I"m still a relative newbie, and I settled on an unusual headphone solution for mixing ITB - Audeze Mobius, USB-C connection (latency, obviously, on BT). Built in Nx takes care of crosstalk. As you might imagine, low end can still be a challenge. On Justin's previous recommendation, I have Blue Lolas as a backup, as well as Avantone's open backed Planar Pro. My default monitors are not terrible - iLoud Micro monitors with the smallest sub available (Soundmatters!) - yeah, I'm working in the smallest computer hutch around, but open to a fairly large room. So I strongly prefer mixing on headphones to take the room "out".
@practice_Chinese_yoga
Жыл бұрын
I’ve recently got the same monitors. So my hearing is in a process of adjustment, to listen externally. Listening at low volume can help to judge instrument levels better it seems true. I’ve used headphones a lot of the time, and think I need to upgrade these AKG’s, that I have liked.
@cgsmithinnola
Жыл бұрын
I only have the Beyerdynamic DT 990 pro 250 ohms - Are these not good enough? I have the Sonarworks correction software for the high end, but I hate it. As long as I KNOW my top end boosts with the 990s I can keep using them, right?
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
If you get great results with them, then they are good enough! That is the question. Fortunately, you can learn just about anything, with enough work. Flatter options tend to be easier to learn. And some ways of being skewed will better suit your personal biases more than others and better lead you in the right direction. Experimenting with different options to see what suits you is often a good idea when it comes to monitoring. But if you can’t do that (and even if you can) devoting yourself to really learning your monitoring system inside and out is key! Hope that helps, Justin
@LucianoSilvamusic
Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of DT 990 pro 250 ohms. I use it with Sonarworks with great results.
@16914
Жыл бұрын
Good stuff. I'm in a quiet zone that doesnt like rm mates blasting which I have both adam speakers and JBL subwoofer. Yet to hook up but I've played in live applications with wood panel walls. But at the moment I'm in a small hostile place and have only certain times to shut out the world. I wore head phones alot and one thing is the ear presses against the skin can cause a rash. Or potato lol behind your ears. But I do like both. And keep quiet my secret production mixes. Good stuff if the sound is true. Which is a billion dollar ears. Which I have
@Mbstudio144
Жыл бұрын
Slate VSX 👌🏻
@tilersun
Жыл бұрын
You don't need $1500 headphones, Skrillex mixed his entire debut album on $20 headphones because he knew how other music sounded through them. Spend money on quality instruments/sytlbths/vocalists/whatever and hoan your ability to listen.
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Yes-You can absolutely learn practically any listening system if you study them well enough with enough references! That’s one of the key points at the end of this bit. That said, some systems are easier to learn than others, and if you want to reduce your learning curve, spending more on your monitoring will almost certainly reduce it faster than spending more on mic preamps or something. Additionally, Skrillex got help from others with better systems, and did plenty of referencing of his material on outside systems as well. But yes: when I used to mix predominantly, I double checked every mix on a pair of $20 headphones I knew inside and out. I learned them so well that I bought multiples pairs, so I guess they cost me more than $20 🤣But I knew them inside and out, and they “sucked” in a way that led me in the right direction. Hope that makes sense! -Justin
@stupendousmusic4190
Жыл бұрын
Schpilkiss⁉ Do you have any idea of what that means⁉ You have ants in your pants coming off your headphones⁉ Really⁉😯 Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pros all the way for mixing Andrew Scheps uses cheap Sonys 🤣 Go for the open-back NDH 30s if using Neumanns for mixing. The Austrian Audio Hi-X65 should also be considered for mixing. I agree with you regarding the Sennheiser HD 600 and HD 650s. ( The 600 definitely being the superior headphone here.) FYI A contact at Neumann-Sennheiser in Germany told me that the new HD 400 Pro is the same driver as the HD 600 just repackaged for the pro audio market. The Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X and DT 1990 Pros are definitely worth considering.
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Shpilkes is kind of like schmutz, I believe. -Justin
@gibson2623
Жыл бұрын
No it is not, at all, it s not even how we hear things, with such a separation from each ear. On the other hand, it s hard to get a well treated room acoustically. So, oh well, will not be heresy to mix on headphones, since the other scenario may be hard to achieve
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
Bingo! Really good headphones are not as good of a reference as really good monitoring. But getting into really good monitoring is out of reach for some, and so, really good headphones can be a better bet than the subpar monitoring that is likely to be their most realistic alternative. Hope that makes sense! -Justin PS: there are some software solutions out there to introduce crosstalk into your headphones, which some mixers find useful.
@christiansilvestrov791
Жыл бұрын
🔝
@JacobHeldt
9 ай бұрын
simple answer: ask Andrew Schepps
@pepe7drum
Жыл бұрын
Would anyone recommend the Neumann headphones?
@SonicScoop
Жыл бұрын
✋ -Justin (PS: They don't pay me to say so. But they are really good for closed backs IMHO :-) About to try out the open backs this week! Will report back soon.)
@manykzdj792
7 ай бұрын
Hey, you should do a video above headphone amps cuz that topic is mandatory!!!
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