Thanks shade for slowing down and teaching scripture without preconceived ideas please believers let scripture speak for itself
@ShadeStoneMusic
28 күн бұрын
Thank You Brother!
@homemakercalling1217
Ай бұрын
Love and kindness and decency. Amen Shade. Thank you!!
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You so much for the continuing encouragement.
@deanfloyd8931
Ай бұрын
John harkens back to the Genesis beginning, revealing who Jesus truely is.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Some do agree with that. That is a fair interpretation. I don't personally think it's clear. Some say John is talking about the 'New Beginning'...Pointing to God's promise of the New Covenant established through Christ. That is also a reasonable interpretation. I've heard some other good ones as well. Thank you for sharing! 💌💌
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
No.
@SmutchyBritches
Ай бұрын
WOW..............love this teaching!! You amaze me with the depth of your teaching!!
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You so much for the kind words; they sincerely mean a lot to me.💌💌
@karenrogers
Ай бұрын
Love and appreciate you!
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Holy Hugs from me to you Sister! 💌💌
@karenrogers
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic Keep up the great work and humble heart! We need more love in this world!♥
@AiluraMelas
Ай бұрын
Word Up! 70s 80s kid here
@mochamarie9741
Ай бұрын
Me too
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Always great to hear from you '70's 80's kid'!!
@brad724p
Ай бұрын
Lev 19:18 "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Yes indeed. Some say this Golden Rule existed before Leviticus. Here then was the problem. No one actually did it consistently...Until Christ. Thank You for sharing.
@euston2216
Ай бұрын
If, while I was watching this video, someone approached me, pointed to my laptop and asked, "Who's that?", would I answer, "That's Shade Stone", or would I answer, "That's not Shade Stone"? Clearly, the former. The latter answer would be absurd. -- The viewers of this video are undoubtedly looking at Shade Stone. -- More precisely, they're looking at Shade Stone's *image.* Shade Stone's *image* _IS_ Shade Stone, the human himself, revealed in a different form - a "cyber" form, if you will. -- Shade Stone and Shade Stone's *image* are not two different Shade Stones, but rather one-and-the-same Shade Stone in vastly different levels of existence. Shade Stone is a human, and Shade Stone's *image* is that _same_ human revealed in cyber form. Likewise... -- The viewers of the man Christ Jesus - the only begotten Son of God - are undoubtedly looking at the Father ("...he that hath seen me _hath seen_ the Father..." - John 14:9). -- More precisely, they're looking at the Father's *image* (2 Cor.4:4, Col.1:15, Heb.1:3). The Father's *image* _IS_ the Father, the _Spirit_ himself, revealed in a different form - a genuinely _human_ form. -- The Father and the Father's *image* are not two different Fathers, but rather one-and-the-same Father - "The everlasting Father" (Isa.9:6) - in vastly different levels of existence. The Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24), and the Father's *image* is that _same_ Spirit revealed in genuine human form. *1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV)* _And without controversy _*_great_*_ is the _*_mystery_*_ of godliness: _*_GOD was manifest in the flesh,_*_ justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory._
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing this! You stated your case very well. I sincerely think this is very good work. That said, I do have a video coming out on Sunday about two of the passages (1 Timothy & Isaiah)...you may be interested in checking it out when it is released. No pressure. Just mentioning it. Thanks again!
@JackMcClendon
Ай бұрын
Thank you Brother Shade for another love first flawless Bible study. Jesus prehuman existence is stated plainly by Jesus at John 17:5 - King James Bible And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You Brother Jack for reminding me of this passage! Awesome! Interestingly enough, it is 2 verses after Jesus tells us His Father is the "only true God". It really is a beautiful picture.
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
No.
@DaRealIceO
Ай бұрын
I really appreciate your dedication to be honesty when reading the Bible. So many people are dishonest for the sake of relaying their biased interpretation. I worked on this verse a while ago. And I didn’t get the orthodox interpretation.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You! I appreciate the kind words. I didn't get the standard interpretation either. It could be as simple as one of the other commenters suggested...the Word became the Son of God. Ultimately, there is room for other views on this passage. Thank You again!
@megansousa2659
Ай бұрын
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. Revelation 19:13
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Yes. This is a good connection. And a very fair Scripture to put on the table for this topic! That said...it can be interpreted similar to 'The Word became flesh'; But of course it would be more like 'The Word became the glorified Son' after God The Father exalted Him and had Him sit at His right hand. Revelation 19:12 also says He has a name that no man knows except for Him. That's another interesting passage to put in the mix. Thank You Sister! 💌💌
@kellyblakeborough3371
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusicbut in John chapter 17 , Jesus asked for his former glory in which he previously had . Also John amplifies this in his eternity in 1 John 1 : 1 to 3
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
@@kellyblakeborough3371 ...Yes; another subscriber also pointed out John 17:5 as you are...it appears that Scripture points to the pre-existence of Christ. Jesus does say: 'the glory' He had was 'With The Father'. I do think passages like this is why the Subordination position was so prevalent for the first 300 years after Christ.
@kellyblakeborough3371
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic but if I had a music disk and I lent it to you and after a while I asked for it back what was given was already mine without the idea that I have to beg for this
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
@@kellyblakeborough3371 ...I'm not sure what this means. Sorry. I'm not being 'snarky'. I just don't really understand what you mean.
@bobclarke2332
Ай бұрын
I appreciate your attitude expressed as you expressed your thoughts. Over the years of studying the Scriptures, some of the leanings I have today are altered from how I was first taught. Blessings to you.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You so much for posting this Brother. It reminds me it's ok to not understand all things & it's ok to be unsure of what every passage means. It brings me back to Love God and others as self.💌💌
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
There is nothing to study when it comes to worshipping and speaking to the Most High. Religions and belief systems would have Most thunk otherwise.
@ArsenioMarcelino
6 күн бұрын
I taught lot's are grudges and being full of hatred concerning Jesus Christ High Ranking position ❤❤❤❤
@monicashuart-ls1hw
Ай бұрын
Raised in the CoC, i reluctantly believed the trinity doctrine. After many decades of being reluctant, i began to study it on my own. I now know that our Lord and savior was a human being similar to you and me, and was highly exalted by GOD our Father. Thanks keegan Chandler for your book " the God of Jesus".
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing. I never heard of that book by Mr. Chandler. Thank You for sharing that as well. Grace & Peace.💌💌
@garyreid8787
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic
@robshank1983
Ай бұрын
I love it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 great teaching man. grace love and peace to all in the name of Jesus Christ
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I always love your passion Bro! God bless you brother.
@mochamarie9741
Ай бұрын
Amen!!!
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
💌💌
@helenlowder3424
Ай бұрын
Love no grace in the law such a powerful statement
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing this. Grace, in my opinion, is necessary for all of us. I can certainly speak for myself when I say, I don't know where I would be without it.
@deanfloyd8931
Ай бұрын
"Don't tell me what it means, tell me what it says". if anyone who cracks open the Word of God could discern truth by reading, Holy Spirit enlightenment would be a necessity.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
This may indeed be true. I suppose the problem arises when people have different interpretations, yet they all say they received a 'revelation from the Spirit'. They can't all be right.
@deanfloyd8931
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic Exactly, my contention is "we can't all be right, but we can all be wrong".
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
@@deanfloyd8931 ...I agree brother! Thank God for grace!! 💌💌
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
"The word of God," implying its authenticity "untouched". Despite clear records showing how it was pieced together, how it changed over time and not to forget what some call (using a common descriptive) "supernatural" type changes (something all religions and belief systems experience). Take for example the following. Based on the original texts of Jdm, the Most High divided this part of creation among (quote) the "12 Sons of God". This later was changed to the 12 tribes of Isrl, and this is a tangent of its own. One of the 12 Sons appears to be YHWH, who had a wife and offspring. This is not to forget the other species of creation, such as the various angelics, etc. Christianity could have been its own religion / belief system. The creators of it decided to attach to Judm many hundreds of years later, rewriting their version of the "Old Testament (the Tlmd / Trh). To give themselves authority. For example. The original Hbw text reads to be born of a young woman (aylmah). Christianity translated this to read virgin (batulah). However, when Christianity was translated back into Hbw, it read virgin. What Christians need to reconcile is the translations back and forth should have the same word when describing the said woman. Rather than focus on religions and belief systems, which have little to nothing to do with the Most High, why not just focus on the Most High rhetorically asked!? Oh, programming and social engineering / conditioning.
@LeeRomero-qt4hj
Ай бұрын
The word is a lamp unto my feet. The word is God's Spirit of understanding.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing this interpretation. Something that folks should consider.
@rogerhales9966
Ай бұрын
@ShadeStoneMusic As Don preston says The challenge of Christ ,,well the challenge of Christ is how Paul looked at it,,so Paul said FOR IF THE DEAD RISE NOT OR IF THE CHALLENGE OF CHRIST IS NOT MEET CHRIST IS NOT RISEN SO I SAY ,,DID THE DEAD RISE ? IF NOT CHRIST IS NOT RISEN
@loleki737
Ай бұрын
This study brings a lot of clarification to the passages in John 1. So appreciate how you dig into the original Greek, which I see as critical in getting as close to the truth as we can. And it was a blessing to hear you expound on John 1:9...that Christ was the true Light of every man, coming to the Kosmos. Thank you, Brother. Grace and peace. ❤❤
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You Sister! I always appreciate your continuous encouragement and support.
@janosterud4188
Ай бұрын
Shade Great talk Thank You. One of the things I think should be emphasized more in understanding John 1 is the purpose statement John gives in 20:31. In simple language he says I wrote these things to tell Christ is the son of God. So whenever we're told John 1 is teaching us Christ is God that goes against the purpose statement John gives. In reading scripture I think in most cases we should think like Father like Son. God came unto Israel and they received Him not, same way with the Son Israel received Him not. God is light the Son is light etc. etc. etc. When I look up "made", "heaven", "earth" together used, ONLY The Father did those things, but like You brought up, on account of or through the Son these things came to be. Truly our fellowship is with The Father and The Son
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I never saw it from this point of view. Thank You for sharing! And I also never heard the word 'through' as 'on account of'; that indeed gives the statement a different 'vibe'. Thank You so much for sharing this with me. I greatly appreciate it! 💌
@jeffkooistra264
Ай бұрын
Good post. It's of the form "Do you really know what you think you know, or do you only know what you think?' And the first chapter of John is perhaps the best place in the Bible to try it. It reads so easily it is not hard to skim past relevant details unnoticed.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Absolutely Brother! Every thing you posted here is spot on...Thank You for the confirmation.
@Scott48-w9i
Ай бұрын
The Word became the Son of God
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
That is a fair interpretation. Thank You for sharing this!
@trevorcourtney5415
Ай бұрын
Good afternoon Shade, thank you for the video, just offering a few initial thoughts. I may have missed it but, did you mention who “the word” is referring to in John 1:1 if not Jesus? Even though I see this differently I enjoyed the video because it is making me firm up my understanding. Also, isn’t the qualifier of “the” word the distinction that needs to be looked at in every use of the word logos? I would think that anytime in scripture that “the” logos was used it would be referring to “the truth” and therefore “the Jesus”…I’ve heard some cool “living letters” teachings about Jesus being the alphabet. I’m not going to say that the trinity is easy to explain but what are we to do when we read scriptures that identify Jesus as God, the Father as God and the Holy Spirit as God and then it says there is but only 1 God? I don’t understand the whole “persons” thing because I just don’t talk like that and I have currently decided I won’t fully understand it as right now I know in part.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing this. And we are in the same boat...We 'know if part'...I love that! In fact, I think that is the ultimate point that I am trying to make in the presentation. This passage can be interpreted in different ways and because of that, I think using it as if it's 'clear' is in my opinion an overstatement. Allow me to give a different but possible view of this passage: So 'the word' some say is God's wisdom. So is Gods' wisdom 'divine'? Absolutely! So then, God's wisdom was fully incarnated into Christ. That isn't a trinitarian interpretation...and that isn't a modalism interpretation. Yet it is a fair interpretation. Thanks again!
@brotherray5645
Ай бұрын
Hey Shad, hope you’re doing well. I have watched your series on the book of Revelation. You’ve given me much to think about. My question for you is, given your explanation of the lake of fire, how should one understand Luke 16 verse 24?
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Great question Brother Ray! But it's a long answer. So here is my take on this Scripture. First, I would note that Jesus communicates 4 parables in a row from Luke 15 all the way to Luke 16 verse 13. Then in verse 14 we read that the first century Pharisees begin to 'deride Jesus'...why? because they were 'covetous' and they did not like that statement in verse 13 where Jesus said they couldn't serve both "God & mammon". Then in verse 15 Jesus tells the Pharisees that 'God knows their hearts' and that they 'self justify' their own cruel behavior. And that's when Jesus gives them...and I would suggest specifically them, this parable of the Rich man (the Pharisees) and Lazarus...(You may want to note that in the Gospel of John, Christ resurrects "Lazarus" and the Pharisees plot against both Lazarus and Jesus...compare that to the last line in Luke 16 verse 31). So ultimately, I see Luke 16:19 - 31 as a "Prophetic Parable' letting the first century Pharisees know that they will be suffering in the Roman/Jewish war (under God's wrath) as the righteous judgment and recompense that John the Baptist and Jesus warned was coming upon them that would lead to the 'spiritual consequences' of those actions as Paul speaks to in 1st Corinthians 3, 2nd Corinthians 5:10 and Galatians 6:7-8. Let me know if this helps Brother Ray!
@YeshuaReigns2-t2d
Ай бұрын
The interesting thing is the rich man wants his 5 brothers warned. The rich man represents the apostate judahites. Note judah had 5 brothers from Rachel. Judah wanted to protect his full brothers from sharing his fate. And to raise Lazarus to warn them. Abraham said no, you have the scriptures plus they wouldn't repent even if one was raised from the dead. This was proven when the real Lazarus was raised, they still rejected Christ and would therefore not escape the punishment. Peace.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
@@YeshuaReigns2-t2d ...Someone (maybe it was you bro) had told me about the 5 brothers before...this information further points to the parable being about those specific Pharisees that were deriding Jesus at the time. Thanks for adding this.
@brotherray5645
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic Thanks for this Shade. Let me ponder a while. Cheers,
@brotherray5645
Ай бұрын
@@YeshuaReigns2-t2d Thanks for this. There is much to consider, which makes it all the more interesting.
@davomato
Ай бұрын
I know this is a very difficult subject to discern. I enjoyed your study and thoughts on this subject.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for posting this comment Brother! I know how much accuracy means to you; so when you say it's a tough passage, then it certainly confirms to me that it really is a tough passage. Thanks again Brother!
@Bradleymarlin-e7w
Ай бұрын
Great message Shade. Not sure I agree with all your thoughts but thats okay. Love covers a multitude of sin which could be wrong thinking. I agree thank God we're not saved by our understanding of scripture. Your teaching is making us think and thats a good thing. Gods blessings brother.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I greatly appreciate this message! Very honest and kind, and still very encouraging. Thank You!
@daviator4720
Ай бұрын
I think the scripture is quite clear, and you did a great job explaining it. Thank you, Shade.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You Brother Dave!
@boastonlyinthecross
Ай бұрын
Hey Brother Shade!! I remember very keenly the first time I heard the phrase “God The Holy Spirit” in church during Covid. I was a catechumen in the Lutheran Church of the Missouri Synod. I soon heard all the Creeds as we recited them all in various seasons of the Church year. I had never thought about these things until I heard the phrase “God the Holy Spirit”. I wondered how they decided to use that phrase since I didn’t think it was in the Scriptures that way and they proclaim Sola Scriptura. This was the passage one pastor quoted for me to support their stance and to bolster The Trinity view. Can you give a few remarks on this? God bless you!! “But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”” Acts 5:1-4 The pastor told me that this means The Holy Spirit is God and is part of the triune revelation of God’s being. Thanks for any light you may shed!
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Hello! I would be happy to lend my thoughts to this. So the first thing I note is that once again, somehow, they use a Scripture that has 'two' (God & Holy Spirit) to prove 'three'. So automatically I see a monstrous flaw in the position right out the gate. In John 4:24 Jesus says that God "Is" Spirit. So I don't see the passage in Acts saying that the Holy Spirit is a "2nd Person" or a "3rd Person" of a 'triune god'...but rather that they lied to God who is Holy and The Omniscient Spirit. I imagine Peter could have said, 'you lied to The Father'...Would that be another person making it a 'Quad-rinity'? I don't think so. But I suppose I could make that argument. Then I could really stretch it by pointing to verse 9 where the term 'Spirit of the Lord' is used...is that yet another Spirit making it a 'pentagon-inity'? Again, I don't think so...But I suppose I could make the argument. Ultimately, the creeds say 'God the Holy Spirit' and state that the Holy Spirit is a '3rd Person''...but the Scriptures simply do not say that. Personally I think your first instinct was (and is) correct. Let me know if this helps!
@boastonlyinthecross
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic Yes indeed thank you again!
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
@@boastonlyinthecross ...Awesome! Always a pleasure. 💌💌
@megansousa2659
Ай бұрын
If you don't want to see it, Shade, you're not going to see it. But i'm going to try to reason with you a little bit. Your argument, that John doesn't come right out and say jesus is the word, doesn't hold water, if you compare it to other conclusions that we as full preterists have come to by simply letting scripture interpret scripture. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that, being a full preteris, you have come to believe, through reading the book of Revelation that ancient apostate first century Jerusalem is the Babylon spoken of in the book of Revelation. Or that first century apostate Israel is the harlot spoken of in the book of revelation. Yet John never comes out and directly states that Jerusalem is Babylon and apostate Israel is the harlot. We, as preteris, have come to this conclusion through the clues that he left leading us to that conclusion. Even though he never comes right out and states it. Also, not one of the Apostles or Jesus ever came right out and said that Jesus is going to return within 40 years and judge Jerusalem and all those of apostate Isreal, completely fulfilling the old covenant and consummating the new covenant. Jesus will empty Sheol and judge the living and the dead , at the time, and not some time in the distant future. But we as preterists believe it. Because we let scripture interpret scripture. In Revelation 19:13, speaking of Jesus, because we know that the Book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, John clearly says that the name by which He is called is The Word of God. Like I have said before, it may be hard to understand how He can be God and the Son, but that doesn't mean that it isn't so. If His name in Rev. 19 is The Word of God, and in John 1: 1, the Word was God, how can we be sure that any of the clues that we use to come to full preterists conclusion are correct. How much more clear can it be?
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I appreciate the reasoning here Sister. I also appreciate you sharing your position, and you are always considerate when you do so. Thank You. So in response...Here is what I am thinking. Revelation is a unique book, so as a comparison it's not quite the same as John 1 since Revelation is so symbolic where the Gospel of John is not. There are no 7 headed Sea Beasts or Fire breathing people in The Gospel of John. But even Full Preterists don't all agree on all interpretations of Revelation. For example, there is still huge speculation on the Two Witnesses & lots of differences on the Lamb that has two horns and speaks like a dragon. Allow me to use your quote here: "Like I have said before, it may be hard to understand how He can be God and the Son, but that doesn't mean that it isn't so." I agree that it 'could be so'. So I'm not dismissing your position. That's why I don't slam my fist and simply say that Modalism is wrong or heretical. I suppose it is possible. But to say that it is 'clear'...that for me is an overstatement. Full Preterists (and all Christians) also have to accept that 1st Corinthians 15:24-28 - has Jesus delivering the Kingdom to His Father and then being subject to His Father. If Jesus is subject to The Father; then to me...He doesn't appear to be The Father; He appears to be the Son of God subject to His Father. It's a fair interpretation. Ultimately, that is the point for me... I don't think anyone can say for sure what the relationship of the Father & Son is exactly; And how the Holy Spirit plays into this is also a difficult topic. I appreciate you Sister!
@megansousa2659
Ай бұрын
@ShadeStoneMusic and I appreciate and love you, brother 😊
@davidst-jacques5901
Ай бұрын
I like to believe that God told us the mystery of John the Baptist and of Christ in the beginning, Genesis 24:7... For the LORD, the God of heaven, who took me from my father’s house and my native land, solemnly promised to give this land to my descendants. He will send his angel (Jesus ?) 👉🏻 ahead of you, and he will see to it that you find a wife there for my son. And in the end, John 1:15... John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because 👉🏻 he was before me.’”
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I love this! Thank You for sharing. Very much appreciated.
@davidst-jacques5901
Ай бұрын
@ShadeStoneMusic welcome! Matthew 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
@dutchd3619
Ай бұрын
This explanation really helps me understand alot more than i did forsure !! I wonder how 99% of people in the past didnt see any of this ,its like the last few yrs God opened the eyes of people when interpreting the scriptures !! Also off topic, i like Etymology ,and the word NICE means foolish originally. So now im wondering if the word NICENE, as in the Creed means that lol ??
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for posting this comment...and the 'Nice-ene' joke...that one caused me to laugh out loud!
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
Which should be the only important thing; the writings and interpretations of others or having a relationship with the Most High!?
@dutchd3619
Ай бұрын
@@AnthonyRMaradin Both, thats why the bible was written !!
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
@@dutchd3619 - No, only the Most High is important.
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
@@dutchd3619 - No, only the Most High is important. Religions and belief systems have little to nothing to do with the Most High.
@farmerj490
Ай бұрын
Word = Torah = Truth = Light = Yeshua The right hand of YHVH (Yeshua) goes forth to do the Will of the Father. The Father's will is torah and establishes truth and righteousness. Yeshua kept it perfectly and is our example of how to walk. Psa_119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing!
@kellyblakeborough3371
Ай бұрын
Considering the WORD , in Colossians chapter 2 : 2 , 3 the apostle Paul wanted to make this congregation understand because of the Jewish infiltration the MYSTERY of God , namely , Christ . In Christ is all the wisdom and knowledge in how we get to know WHO God is . Jesus is the the God revealed to us in the flesh . Reconciliation can only be made between God and man in which Adam lost for us and in this Jesus , this was our perfect exchange to undo our separation . Hence now we are saved
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing this. There is a lot of good work here to consider and think about! That said, I do think we need to acknowledge that Jesus was not revealed to us in the flesh...we never seen Jesus in the flesh; we can only read about what He did while He was in the flesh. He was revealed 'in the flesh' only to them in the first century. Something I think we need to consider when interpreting these passages. Thanks again!
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
For those who only have (any kind) of scripture(s) to rely on, which is skewed in itself. Jdm pooled together from previous religions and belief systems to create a super religion for all. There was no Jwsh infiltration, Christianity ultimately attached themselves to Jdm some hundreds of years later. Jdm rejected Jesus because he did not fulfill any “prophecies”, thus Christianity had to come up with a second coming. Side note; when some in Jdm thought a Rabbi was the messiah and he passed away (1980s), they adopted a second coming from Christianity. Ism came along and took from both, with more focus on Jdm some seven hundred years after Christianity. Religions and belief systems have little to nothing to do with the Most. No, Jesus is not the Most High incarnate. No, logical fallacies are relied on to assume Adam was the first; Genesis 1 and 2 talk about two separate creation events. No, only the Most High vetts those who are worthy or not. The human species of creation are flesh and blood, not (for example) angelics prior or turn into angelics. Here is the first time for the human species of creation. Those successfully vetted are transferred into “new bodies”, those not have eternal death (cease to exist). For Christians, the sell is “being saved”, implying being successfully vetted with the ease of accepting Jesus. However, regardless from a Christian perspective or not - would “you” still serve the Most High even knowing “you” will not be successfully vetted rhetorically asked!?
@AiluraMelas
Ай бұрын
I think I can rightly say that we can never fully understand God's pre-existence let alone His Son's. I think only hubris could speak otherwise.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I would definitely put myself in the 'never fully understand' group...that said...it's still so much fun to try!
@byrontolver6711
Ай бұрын
(Gen 1:26) Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Who is the "us" and "our" in the above scripture? Could it possibly be the father, Son, and the Holy Ghost in one?
@marekfamulla
Ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/2G97vWeFi5yhiG0si=SncpDX13KwRHW2pn here is the answer - it means divinitys in heaven
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Some say that is the case. I think it is fair to consider this interpretation. Others would say this is more 'magisterial' in nature. There are a variety of interpretations for that passage as well. Genesis 1 is another tough Chapter. Thank You for sharing!
@Truth3eeker
Ай бұрын
God spoke life into existence, so the word was made flesh ?
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
This is interesting. I appreciate you posting this. Thank You! 💌💌
@Truth3eeker
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic ❤️🙏❤️
@ma.h.5591
Ай бұрын
That’s how I see it. God wrote The Book of Life. He wrote many words and names in The Book of Life. In the beginning he spoke into existence his creation. The Word becoming flesh was his prophecy.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
@@ma.h.5591 Thank You for sharing this. I personally think this is a good view point.
@megansousa2659
Ай бұрын
What do you say to this scripture? For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon[a] his shoulder, and his name shall be called[b] Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 Everlasting Father?
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I have a video coming out about this passage...along with two other passages. I plan to release it this Sunday at 8am. Should be worth a watch good Sister!
@jimingvaldson7076
Ай бұрын
No man hath seen God. Yes that is ignored by most. But that is normal with scripture that doesn't line up with various teachings. John 3:13 is another: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man, which is in heaven." So, sounds to me like Jesus is saying he'd ascended to heaven before. If he'd ascended he would have had to descend before as well. Such as in a fiery furnace with 3 other men. Such as outside of Abraham's tent. Maybe even in a burning bush too. So why are we teaching that his first and only coming was as a baby in a manger? When it appears he'd already been back and forth a few times already. Hmmmm. Thanks for the teaching Shade. Love you.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
These are excellent points! Thanks so much for sharing this. We really do have to consider these passages you brought to the forefront. Love you too!
@mochamarie9741
Ай бұрын
The Word is Jesus Christ with the Double Edged Sword out of His Mouth, which is the Bible today and it has His Message. John 1 proves that Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Father Who takes away the sins of all the world (cosmos and all time forever). John wrote this under Spirit of God inspiration to go against Gnosticism. Thats the point of John 1. Jesus Christ was the real Son of God in the flesh to die a real physical death with a real physical bodily resurrection and ascension. So, I believe I included that too in my American Sign Language Lesson years ago. "The Word" is Jesus Christ, the Physical in the flesh Son of Living God, who gave us The Word (the Bible) which has The Message. Its the whole thing. Who is the witness in John 1? John the Baptist - who technically was a Prophet before the Cross. Many people in John's time did not believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah in the Flesh. His Word says He is the Messiah. Thats what John was up against. "The Word" is Jesus Christ with His Message that He is the fulfilled Messiah prophesied in earlier times. Amazing!!! John the Baptist and the Apostle John are two witnesses. So it is fact and legal and done. Praise God!
@waterfall2141
Ай бұрын
Bravo Shade! Unpacking the “Word” as Yeshua and taking a deep dive into Trinity doctrine is or can be challenging. Here are my thoughts to ponder.: To understand the 'trinity' it is may be better to understand that scripture defines the parts well enough. The Ruach is the 'Holy Wind' or 'breath'... The son, is the 'word' which cannot be formed without the 'breath' nor the mind/will to 'let it be so'. Perhaps one may consider this perspective, God the Father, as the HEAD ship, the mind, or brain who can create by 'speaking things into existence'. The 'word' is what comes out of the head, and is the spoke/voice command that causes things to happen/be created. But again, without the breath, the word is silent and meaningless. Just as the word without the Head, is incoherent or 'babble'. These facets work in a way similar to how we talk. The brain forms the idea, the breath pushes the wind from the mouth, which forms the word. It's not as if there are 3 different 'gods' acting as one god. Just as we are not created in the image of 'wind' or the 'word'... but, we are created in the image of the mind or the head=God. Image is not necessarily a physical form. We have this form to function in this world. Two legs for locomotion, two hand to act, with a 'trunk' to hold all of our soft bits within, a heart to pump, innards to digest... God, has no need for organs, or arms or legs, but he does have a 'purpose' and it is with this same 'purpose' that we are created in the same/similar image. Which may I suggest is the capacity to love. God is nothing but pure love, thus we are created also in 'love'. How we choose to love, or how we accept love, is no different than the Father. To assume that we are physically created in the image of God, means that God must also require a similar physicality. Notice in the 6 days of creation, the 'word' was with God, but after the Sabbath, God did not 'speak' creations into existence. Rather he formed Adam out of the clay, and then.. here it comes, he 'breathed life' into the nostrils. For whatever reason, the 'word' was not with God, when Adam was created... Care to think about that for a few moments? The headship and the Ruach together created the life that became Adam. A creature of such immense power, that he could stand next to God, where even most angels had to be shielded from God's brilliance. A creature so powerful, that most of the angels bowed in reverence, as they gazed upon the 'man', who was given dominion over all other creations. Odd as it might sound, the 'word' became flesh, and thus could not speak his own creation into existence. The word was still with God, but would become the template for how God and man would interact. Now if this was later to become the messiah, the 'word' would always be with God, but not in a 'creation' capacity. Now, the word had been spoken, and so long as there was a 'word', there would be a 'law' and the law is to be walked out, daily, unchanging, and now 'brother goeth to the law with brother, and that before the non-believer.' The law, is the 'word' it is the thing that binds us all, it is the foundation of our realm, and it is everything that has to happen, that must happen. And then what happens at judgment day? Earth is rolled up like a scroll, and becomes formless and void. Who knows what happens to the 'word' after that? Who knows what happens to the HEAD, or the breath? That answer, is found by a few who understood that we were created in the image of 'love' and what we chose to love or hate, may have the most dire consequences in the end.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
There is a lot of great material here! This is one of those posts that I'll need to read at least a few more times. Thank You for taking the time to post this.
@One-Ruler-1Victor
27 күн бұрын
Amen! I belive in the preexistant Word of YAHAVAH that became flesh. Yeshua didn't exist from eternity. Amen. My2Cents
@ShadeStoneMusic
27 күн бұрын
Thank You for sharing my good Brother! It's interesting to me that the subordination and unitarian views between 100AD and 320AD were the prominent views. At least that's what my research uncovered.
@belindadavenport1031
Ай бұрын
Genesis 1:26 says let us, so I always assumed that meant God, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but I’m not sure
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Yes, I've heard that before. Quite a few would agree. Others say it is a 'magisterial' statement. Because in verse 27 it goes back to singular: 'So God created man in his own image.' Others say that John 1 is about the 'New Beginning' of the New Covenant, and not so much about Genesis One. Lots of good interpretations. Tough passage. Thank You for sharing!
@belindadavenport1031
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic in Hebrews 1:2 it says that God has spoken to us by his Son, appointed him heir of all things and by him he made the worlds
@AnthonyRMaradin
Ай бұрын
Based on the original texts of Jdm, the Most High divided this part of creation among (quote) the "12 Sons of God". This later was changed to the 12 tribes of Isrl, and this is a tangent of its own. One of the 12 Sons appears to be YHWH, who had a wife and offspring. This is not to forget the other species of creation, such as the various angelics, etc. The Aramaic Targums also give much more details about the creation events.
@mochamarie9741
Ай бұрын
I actually did John 1 in American Sign Language once. I actually taught it to Deaf people way back. The Word is Jesus Christ and the Inspired Word of God we have and it was all planned at the foundations of the Earth. I never ever Signed in ASL the Word 3 times as Father , Son, Holy Spirit. I Signed " Word" is Jesus Christ, and God means "Father.". I went from English to American Sign Language. It is Father / Son in this context. There is no other way to say this. Sign Language Interpreters have to be as accurate as possible. We have to follow ethics. You cannot get a Trinity out of John 1:1. You get God as the Father and the "Word" as the Son. Linguistics is my job. Your welcome. I say this in love. By the way, on a side note, a reasonable historical view of Revelation is correct. Nero was the Beast with a few of his rulers after him before AD70. Again, I've worked in AP English classes as a Sign Language Interpreter. There are things in Revelation that can repeat to a certain degree, but it is highly unlikely we see anything as horrible in our faces as the first century global in that day Persecution. We have tyrants today. Evil today. Yes, we are close to a Revelation 13 scenario. We just cannot use Revelation as the proof text for our modern day. Certainly, a type or prototype of things. Technology is going too far. We should remain aware of this. Our faith is in Jesus Christ, not what evil does. We have a responsibility to not let it become a global tyrant Antichrist situation. I do believe in Divine Intervention for today. But, people need to awaken to truth that the evil does not need to get to a complete global nightmare. We do not need to agree with things. Stand for righteousness in peace and love and firmness. My two cents. Revelation 22 connects to our time. Its very interesting. Revelation 21 "It is Fulfilled.". How did we miss that one? Revelation 22 says Jesus Christ is for all the nations. We can have victory over evil again. It is possible. Revelation 22 destroys Hyper Pretorist View. Jesus Christ is for all today, no matter race or nation. He is Relevant Today. He already won the War. The Bible is our guide with prayer. We do need fellowship with other believers. Maybe even if we disagree, we need to in love still be a friend. Certainly, we can still be in a local church and still care about people. We do not have to agree with everything leadership says. We are all human. We are all facing difficult times now. Jesus Christ is our anchor. Our Rock. Our High Priest. Churches are always wanting more helpers or new ideas to reach out to communities. We the People can make Love the Center of a local Church again. That's the only way we turn the people in churches to truth. We can word our different views on things in love and in wisdom. Pray before talking. Understand Revelation and Eschatology is extremely complicated because of Church Tradition. It goes back to Augustine even. He started I believe A Millennial View. The Reformers were Historicism Bible Prophecy View. Revelation is a very difficult piece of literature. As a Certified Sign Language Interpreter, after deep research, a reasonable Pretorist View of Revelation is true. Hyper Pretorist View is False. So, as a reasonable Pretorist View, we can state we still have faith in Jesus Christ and we still believe the Bible. We still have hope. Certainly Jesus Christ can physically intervene again if things do get so bad, its impossible for humanity to get out if it. Only God knows the future. Lets be abiding in Present Jesus Christ the Word today! We are so blessed. My twi cents humbly in love. As a former Bible College Professor of mine said "Chew the Meat and spit out the Bones.". This was an AG Denomination Bible College Professor. The best statement of all 4 years!! Whatever local church we are in, we can practice that. No one can then control what we believe. We can actually through proper church governance definitely confront leadership in love over things. We the people can actually make a difference in our church buildings. We are the New Jerusalem. God can work in us to make changes. Be in love, respect and peaceful. Read your own Bible. Know in your heart what you believe. Boil everything down, our Salvation is in Jesus Christ and the Work done on Calvary. We ask foe forgiveness often, not once. Then, we can have better local communities again. All Denominations have good points and bad points. But, we are the people in the church buildings. They can effect local communities for the good or the bad. Jesus Christ is the Word and we are the reflection of that Word. We are His feet and His hands on Earth today. This totally can unite the Ecclesia in any church building. Are we a reflection if the Word daily??? There is a bigger message in John 1. I love the song by artist Michael Jackson "Man in the Mirror.". Wow! Does the Bible talk about mirrors????? It is considered a Gospel song. I researched it. Something for all of us to consider. When we look at ourselves from rhe Word, the double edged Sword out of if Jesus Christ mouth, what man in the mirror do we see? Even God can use a secular pop stsr to preach to the Ecclesia . Yikes. I do not like all hus music or condone certain behaviors. God used a donkey and a heathen in the Old Testament to speak truth to ancient Israel. He uses everything. Are we looking in the Word and to the Word today to check our love litmus test strip (Chemistry came in handy here.) This is hard stuff. Be blessed today.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You Sister!
@Bradleymarlin-e7w
Ай бұрын
John 1:9 I believe means Jesus was the light coming into the world. He gives light to every man, but every man doesn't recieve the Light, John 1:11.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
That is fair. That said, 2nd Timothy says: 2:13 says: if we believe not, yet He abideth faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
@Bradleymarlin-e7w
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic Whether we believe or not doesn't determine His faithfulness.
@One-Ruler-1Victor
27 күн бұрын
Amen! The logos of Hebrews 4:12 isn't the Bible. It's the one to whom all is laid bare.
@ShadeStoneMusic
27 күн бұрын
Well said and Amen to that Bro!
@marekfamulla
Ай бұрын
I wonder why these three are named here Mt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing. I do have a video coming out soon about this. But as a 'pre-vid' consideration...don't you find it interesting that the first century apostles never actually did baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? This seems to be a 'one off text' that was never actually obeyed. Peculiar to say the least. That said, the text ultimately never speaks to their positions or their relationship. All you can get from that text is that they exist. No Christian is denying that. The 'discussion' is in the defining of their relationship. That's where the differences are.
@heavensgateway
Ай бұрын
Thank you Shade Stone, I agree that we may all get different ideas of what the bible means. But I also think it was designed that way by God so that we continue in his word. If we all knew exactly what all meant there would be no need to study and stay in the word. Just like Jesus said: If they are for us, they can't be against us. So it's a good thing to me. So following are my thoughts and what I see. (sorry its long) COMPARISON OF GEN. AND JOHN Genesis:1-3 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (for the Spirit of God, which is the Holy Spirit, is who performed this, God spoke everything into existence, his word is the Holy Spirit) John 1.1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. Genesis: 1.3-25 ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY GOD and his HOLY SPIRIT (They are one, as we are one, flesh and soul) John:1.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Genesis:4.26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (God is speaking to his Holy Spirit, for Adam and Eve were made of flesh with a living soul, and given dominion of the earth, to rule) John: 1.10-11 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not .(All humans were made from Adam, he walked the earth, and they knew him not) Luke: 1.35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. John 1.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. MY THOUGHTS AND STUDY; The Holy Spirit is the Powers of God: The Word made flesh; the powers of God made flesh. (within the flesh of Jesus) The Holy Spirit overshadowed the body of Christ within the womb of Mary. He walked the earth filled with the Holy Spirit of God. GOD WITH HIM. Sons of God: When Jesus was on earth, he gave them the powers of the HS. The Sons of God mean being of the Spirit of God. Just like when the "Sons of God" came down to earth and made giants. They were of spirit, not flesh. So it is being of the Spirit that makes us the "Sons of God". THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, THE HOLY GHOST, they are ONE Jesus was the "only begotten" of God. He is the Son of God "THE" meaning only. But what makes him son? The Spirit of God created/formed him by his Spirit. We are all born of flesh. Jesus/Adam, created directly of the Spirit of God.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing this. It is clear that you have put a lot of thought and work into this; and it shows! Well done. I sincerely appreciate your intro to this as well. The challenges keep us studying. That is a good thing. Much of this simply reminds me that we are brothers and sisters; even if we make mistakes.
@heavensgateway
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic Thank you for your response. I don't proclaim to know everything, nor be right all the time. I just claim to be a child of God who wants to understand and know what took place in the past to get us here. I appreciate your take on what I am watching so far. I always have something I'm doing, so I can't watch back to back. But have watched a few and enjoy what you have to say. So thank you for that. And please keep going with your study, you have helped a lot. Thanks again
@mochamarie9741
Ай бұрын
John 1:34 "And I (John the Baptist) saw and bare record thst this is the Son of God.". Verses 25-34 is the Baptism of Jesus Christ by John the Baptist. This destroys Gnosticism completely. Jesus Christ is The Messiah Promised to Come.
@ArsenioMarcelino
11 күн бұрын
Brother do you have The Holy Spirit in you?
@ShadeStoneMusic
11 күн бұрын
John 1:9 - He is the true light that gives light to every man...so yes; I would be one of those people.
@mickday1260
Ай бұрын
So, is a Holy Ghost a person. We really cannot understand and explain everything.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I agree. That is part of the reason why I think we cannot be to insistent on this subject. Thank You for commenting!
@farmerj490
Ай бұрын
The Spirit is the power of YHVH. He is a spirit so why invent a 3rd person?
@mickday1260
Ай бұрын
@@farmerj490 So you are positive, saying,that the Spirit is power of God. What bible verses are you quoting my friend.
@farmerj490
Ай бұрын
@@mickday1260 Mar_5:30 And immediately יהושע, knowing in Himself that power had gone out of Him, turned around in the crowd and said, “Who touched My garments?” Luk_24:49 “And see, I am sending the Promise of My Father upon you, but you are to remain in the city of Yerushalayim until you are clothed with power from on high.” Act_6:8 And Stephanos, filled with belief and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. Act_10:38 how Elohim did anoint יהושע of Natsareth with the Set-apart Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for Elohim was with Him. Rom_1:4 who was designated Son of Elohim with power, according to the Set-apart Spirit, by the resurrection from the dead: יהושע Messiah, the Master of us, Rom_15:13 And the Elohim of expectation fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you overflow with expectation by the power of the Set-apart Spirit. Rom_15:19 in power of signs and wonders, in power of the Spirit of Elohim, so that from Yerushalayim and round about to Illurikon I have completed the preaching of the Good News of Messiah.
@MaryTruthSeeker
Ай бұрын
@@mickday1260 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you 👉from the Father-the 👉Spirit of truth who proceeds 👉from the Father-He will testify about Me.” John 15:26 BSB
@LeftyVee313
20 күн бұрын
Dr Michael Heiser has extensive info on this topic. His scholarly work on this put it to rest imo.
@ShadeStoneMusic
20 күн бұрын
Thank You for your suggestion. Brother Michael offered a lot of great work to glean from.
@Charles-mv7sv
Ай бұрын
Logos = message The message was about God and when the message became flesh it was known as a messenger.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I think this is a fair interpretation. And God's 'message' (logos) is also divine. So that would make sense as well. Thanks for sharing!
@flamingswordapologetics
Ай бұрын
Hmmm, this Word that was with God and Is God was made flesh and made all things, elsewhere we see that Jesus made all things (Colossian's), its easy to see that its clearly talking about Jesus here, the only reasonable question I think you've raised is the whole "the God" thingy, but otherwise, I would suggest strongly John 1:1 seems very straight forward. I honestly think this one is your most difficult to prove yet, just suggesting though, strongly. 😁
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Yay...More suggesting!! I love it. Actually though, since I lean towards the subornation position, I see this as ultimately God The Father empowering His Begotten Son to be the architect. So as Jesus said in John 5:19 - Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself'; So my position allows for me to suggest that 'the Word' is The Son that is With 'The God' who makes His Son deity. And you know I love mentioning that the Holy Spirit isn't mentioned here, so two never proves three...I strongly suggest! :)
@flamingswordapologetics
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic You and your suggesting lol. I tend to think you're trying to fill in seeming contradiction, which of course makes sense, but I think there are things in God, about God, what He could do or not do, or what He could be or not be, that is beyond us, thus I embrace the mystery, that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, worshiped, prayed to, and is called God in more than one spot, even though I can't figure out how that works, which seems to me to be what scripture reveals. Its one thing to question the Trinity, but there is more than enough here on both sides, to maybe say " I don't know" and that we could all suggest we worship Jesus, believe He is the 1st and the last like He said He was, and by faith just trust the scriptures as they are. So when it says Jesus was a man, we believe it, when it says as that man, He looked to God as His Father great, but when it also says Thomas called Him God and worshipped Him, and the Pharisees thought He was claiming to be God, we just accept the mystery and embrace it, without going all the way over to a different side, which continues to beg the question leading to just as much seeming contradiction as you had before, but I am just strongly suggesting all of this.
@ArsenioMarcelino
6 күн бұрын
Jesus Christ claim's a lot's of title He is all top natcher among them you. Can't compare Him to anybody else
@mled31611
Ай бұрын
JW believe on a son and father Rather than a triune God ARE WE CHRISTIANS WRONG
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
I' I don't think that Christians are 'wrong' to believe in the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. I think they become potentially wrong when they start defining the relationship between Them. I'm not sure exactly what the JW's believe. That said, not all Christians believe the Trinity as defined in the Athanasian Creed. I also don't think that all Christians believe the Holy Spirit is a person that we worship. There is Modalism, Trinitarianism, Unitarianism, Subordinationism...there are other views too; so they can't all be right on how they define the relationship. What they do have in common, is they believe in The Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. That, I would say they are right about.
@MaryTruthSeeker
Ай бұрын
Moses was not the one who INITIALLY gave the Torah. Adam, Cain, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob all made sacrifices. The Wisdom of Solomon states that men were secretly making sacrifices while they were in Egyptian captivity. The Word- Torah- the Father’s instructions (Commandments) for how to live and worship him (1-4) and how to love your neighbor as yourself (5-10). When the Messiah came, he said to NOT EVEN THINK that he came to destroy/remove/ do away with the Torah or Prophets. He removed the fealty penalty of the law, (all removed by one man), and offers grace/favor for those who repent from their lawlessness and turn again to the Father’s Way. He is now the “better way” of carrying out his Father’s will. He did not do away with it; he is the new authority that showed us HOW to carry it out, without all the dogma and traditions of man that was added to what the Father gave us. He taught nothing but what we have had from the beginning- which was the word of the Father.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
John 1:17 makes it very clear that the 'law' was given by Moses. That was the law at the time of Christ. The Mosaic age brought in many things that were never in the time of Abraham or Noah. Thanks for sharing.
@MaryTruthSeeker
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic I understand that Moses gave the Torah to the people who were brought out of Egypt. I’m sure much of that information was lost and corrupted overtime, such as him being told that Abib was the beginning of months. They also had a mixed multitude with them that knew practically nothing about it. Can you elaborate on all the sacrifices before the law was given to Moses to give to the people?
@mochamarie9741
Ай бұрын
John 1:32 the Spirit of God manifested in a Dove at the Baptism of Jesus Christ. Really, the entire chapter needs to be read . Remember, the desert experience of Jesus Christ is in the other Gospels. That happens before the choosing of the 12. John 1 is proving to his audience Jesus Christ is the Incarnation in the Flesh Primused Messiah, Son of the Living God. Already, we see in John 1, a certain group if religious leaders challenge it. Context is important. John 1 is the Father- Son relationship. We do not see "Spirit" until verse 32. We see a ton of spiritual things become physical to be seen. Gnostics do not like physical evidence etc. John 1 is Spiritual to the Physical. The Perfect Incarnation in the Flesh promise has come. So many people today eant to deny the physical incarnation of Jesus Christ. John 1 says it is all real in the physical realm on this Earth in a specific time in history. Two witnesses were provided. John the Baptist and John the Apostle.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank You for sharing this!
@chriswilford4657
28 күн бұрын
John gives the spiritual genesis Christ is the first born of the new covenant " first that which is spiritual then that which is spiritual" yeshua always existed in the mind of God but didn't preexist he came into being at birth from Mary Jesus isn't The Word in john1 he lived perfectly as the Word as our example
@chriswilford4657
28 күн бұрын
Natural
@ShadeStoneMusic
28 күн бұрын
This is a fair interpretation of John 1. Thank You for sharing this!
@ArsenioMarcelino
6 күн бұрын
Brother shade who is The source of All Life is not Jesus Christ John14:6
@ShadeStoneMusic
6 күн бұрын
I think the source is The Father; I think The Father did it through and for Christ Jesus.
@ArsenioMarcelino
6 күн бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic brother how do you know the Father exactly by whom we consult Is He not Jesus Christ
@ArsenioMarcelino
6 күн бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic me I admit and understand concerning those who don't accept my views using scriptures After Adam and Eve Fall He said I will put Emnity between You and Her seeds in Genesis
@ArsenioMarcelino
6 күн бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic that's why many who opposes
@DannyFesperman
Ай бұрын
Jesus is the Word. The Word is God. To say otherwise is antichrist.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
Are you taking a 'Modalism' position? I'm not being 'snarky'. This is an Honest question. If you don't mind sharing.
@DannyFesperman
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic I'm taking the Bible position. The Word was God. Jesus was the Word. The Word was manifest in the flesh. God was manifest in the flesh. It's what believers believe.
@ShadeStoneMusic
Ай бұрын
@@DannyFesperman That's not a 'bible position'. That's your interpretation of that passage. And it doesn't sound Trinitarian. It sounds like Modalism. I was just trying to clarify what your position actually was.
@DannyFesperman
Ай бұрын
@@ShadeStoneMusic That is the Bible position. It's straight Bible. There is nothing to interpret. Jesus is the Word. The Word is God. You wrest the scriptures, to your own destruction. You are a false teacher. You deny the person of Christ, and you teach universalism. Heresies. If you don't get saved, you are going to find out that the lake of fire does exist.
@flamingswordapologetics
Ай бұрын
@@DannyFesperman What Shade is asking, do you believe Jesus is the Father? I don't agree with Shade's overall position here, but he is correct that the Father and Son are different in regards to function, I just think he's incorrect not seeing its still one God, he's not a Unitarian, he believes Jesus is the Son, pre-existent, made all things, clearly Deity, he just doesn't take the Deity part far enough in my opinion.
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