My biggest fear about this whole saga (which dont get me wrong in really excited) but these 3 expansion are gunna feel more like 1.5 xpac worth of content and its gunna feel were gunna pay a ton of money for half the content
@naga1595
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I feel that's what's going to happen sadly
@maxpowers4436
3 ай бұрын
Doubt it. If its anything like DF they are all going to have steady 0.5 patches alternative things to do with plenty of new zones.
@Cashinn_Outt1754
3 ай бұрын
They basically already confirmed that with the faster release cycle. Delves are also directly imported from ESO which does “sagas” which are functionally one expansion but broken up and sold into multiple parts
@tylerblue9691
3 ай бұрын
I doubt it but also I’d rather that anyways. Short expansions means faster story!
@GioFan201051
3 ай бұрын
@@Cashinn_Outt1754 In name copied from ESO only, the delves in WoW don't seem to be anything alike tbh. And everybody does sagas not just Eso
@ff7522
3 ай бұрын
My favorite part of a new expansion is leveling my main. Shame they started going in this direction a decade ago.
@vinnythewebsurfer
3 ай бұрын
MoP/WoD’s leveling experiences still reigns supreme. Crazy.
@spaceowl9246
3 ай бұрын
Indeed they do.
@CosmicCleric
3 ай бұрын
Always amazes me that they can't just keeping doing more of what they did in MoP/WoD.
@brettcloud8550
3 ай бұрын
Man I have such fond memories of WoD. I know everyone hates that expansion, and justifiably so, but a lot happened in my life at that time and that was also when I had gotten into my first real raid group and got to a point where we had heroic hfc on farm. I had such a great time in that expansion lol.
@Eustres
3 ай бұрын
@@CosmicCleric they have tried just unsuccessfully
@0mirix
3 ай бұрын
maybe wod but not mop and df was good and you are all coper boomers
@Snagprophet
3 ай бұрын
I mean Tiragarde Sound is like seven chapters but the story about Ashvane is only three, and the rest being those side quests about the sirens, Norwington Estate, the gryphon roughnecks, the western part with the squid and the logging camp. It's just that it lists these side hubs on the campaign menu like it's the main story when it isnt Stormsong Valley the main story that leads you to the dungeon only takes half of the chapters. Drustvars story takes you through most of the chapters leaving two chapters to cover one of the Order Inquisitor's side quests to the south
@GioFan201051
3 ай бұрын
My guess is that it'll be like Tiragarde, just with the sidequests being optional like in DF. You get a nice main campaign and people who hate questing won't feel pressured into doing the rest. If it's like that it's a win/win. Us questers get equal the amount and Blizz can be more creative with the optional stuff.
@Thrano
3 ай бұрын
*significantly buff player power during levelling* *reduce required XP by 70% (or to 70%? can't quite remember)* Gee I wonder why the levelling in TWW looks so quick. This is all about the destination, not the journey.
@fallefel8132
2 ай бұрын
Destination? The journey continues beyond leveling
@Kronical69420
3 ай бұрын
The way they tell the story feels like its dragged out to keep you subbed. Before we got the entire story leveling and new patches told the next chapter. Then in Shadowlands they took the main hunks of story and chopped it into 4 pieces to be shoved in with the that whatever system. Then Dragonflight its stuck behind renown. Either they suck at what they do now, they have less content but are hoping we dont notice so they can keep charging the same price.
@PowerCellReactor
3 ай бұрын
I see the beauty of it. Short and sweet story and then it’s up to you to make your own story. Enjoy the world, explore, begin your own journey.
@olliminati
3 ай бұрын
Correct! You wonder what is up the ridge you never bothered exploring? Go out there on your own quests! The reward is the time you spent enjoying yourself and taking in the flavour. Maybe, if you find a cool spot, go there with a few friends/guildies and have a some drinks. Just a chill evening with the boys.
@OhNoTheFace
3 ай бұрын
Tire of "rush to endgame." I will do the side quests, and am no hurry to get to the end in the first week. I am happy there is more at the "end." Actually leads into "what's next"
@Shiirow
3 ай бұрын
you are an extreme minority, Im sure there are more people who would opt to just delete leveling.
@vinnythewebsurfer
3 ай бұрын
@@Shiirowweird how when wow was at its peak numbers it was before that “minority” felt displaced and unwanted by the endgame focus.
@CosmicCleric
3 ай бұрын
/agree (just to show @Shiirow that we are not the minority)
@anthonystrickland7049
3 ай бұрын
@@CosmicCleric third
@Eustres
3 ай бұрын
@@vinnythewebsurfer We cannot make this comparison ever because the peak happened at a completely different point in time for Technology, gaming, mmorpg gaming specifically and so on. We can say that is the most popular time of WOW but we have no way (factually) to suggest which specific variables made it like that.
@kthomas107t
3 ай бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong obviously, but wasn’t DF chapters all shown ( like 8 ish for valdrakken accord) but the later chapters unlocked in the renown bar so you only had 3 or 4 in DF leveling too? I may be wrong it’s hard to remember lol.
@markm9548
3 ай бұрын
I think you're right, but I forgot also.
@Iqnacio.
3 ай бұрын
Not exactly but pretty close, only Thaldraszus had 3 chapters and the Waking Shore had 5, the other two had 4 chapters each which means that in TWW the leveling campaign has overall 4 less chapter or in other words on average each zone is a chapter shorter, which seems to have been completely on purpose in order to make more room for the max level campaign, great choice imo.
@charlespickering2726
3 ай бұрын
I suspect this is likely what they are going to be doing. Three main chapters but other story lines eventually pop up over the course of the expansion as you gain renown. I think this time they are just not showing those others in advance which seems not unreasonable. Could just be more condensed so they can take this expansion at a faster pace since they seem to want to get them out faster for the next three expansions.
@willythemailboy2
3 ай бұрын
Mostly correct, but they cited gating campaign questing behind renown as one of the mistakes they did not want to repeat. Expect the future chapters to be gated somehow but not by renown. I'm personally expecting the X.5 and X.7 patches to be substantially larger in terms of campaign progression compared to Dragonflight. They may even revert to explicit weekly time gating like parts of Shadowlands, although I see that as less likely.
@Renemu
3 ай бұрын
And again the same way I missed the Chromie quest (forgot the name , but everyone was happy about it) I missed the sins of the sister quest , cause have no idea where to pick it up , they need to do better so people could find new quests easier (maybe map filter by patch for quests ? is there a mod for that ?)
@kileNoe
3 ай бұрын
Bro you literally get it when you log on
@zoegraham594
3 ай бұрын
That’s literally what the adventure log is for
@Renemu
3 ай бұрын
@@kileNoe False , literally just logged in to double check , you only get the harbinger quest which I've done
@7PlayingWithFire7
3 ай бұрын
@@Renemu Chromie is in front of the fountain. You'll definitely miss it if you already have question marks in the area
@olliminati
3 ай бұрын
I mean, I believe Blizzard said that with this new cycle of expansions, the expansions in itself will be shorter, but the cadence of releases will be quicker.
@anthonystrickland7049
3 ай бұрын
Leveling was a power progression system that they've largely marginalized. If you consider the endgame loop as the game, then leveling is too long. If you consider leveling content an intrinsic part of the game, it's too short. At this point, Blizzard should have just made it so you can choose to set alt level to cap after a character reaches current cap.
@CosmicCleric
3 ай бұрын
It really comes down to if WoW is a RPG, or a Lobby Gear-Grinder game.
@God_is_a_High_School_Girl
3 ай бұрын
I hope those five max level chapters give you a full set of starting gear to kick off endgame, a la Zaralek and the Dream. Easily their best unsung change in DF, making story worth playing with gear that's good, but not competitive with grind gear.
@Frankthetank302
3 ай бұрын
Blizzard keeps saying they want some story to be a a thing nut they literally spend so much time going expansions and patches and in return they give us literally half the amount of story you would expect to be given with the amount of time they take to get the content out. They need to beef up the story or make shit come out faster
@malekith1987
3 ай бұрын
theres no reason why you should be finished with the story just when you hit max level
@MysteryMan159
3 ай бұрын
They should remake archaeology as not a profession but a sort of “clue finding” hunt which leads to hints to where the story is going.
@kileNoe
3 ай бұрын
I dont mind it being short so to say. Lets be real the amount of fillers in dragonflight can be exhausting. "Kill x mobs. Interact with x things" i love a great Blast but too much fuller gets exhausting
@mogalixir
3 ай бұрын
So they’re completing the MSQ and drip feeding us weekly rather than letting the B team make main story during patch cycles and fail. Let them do side content, as it’s the only thing they’re good at.
@Charlezworth
3 ай бұрын
Much rather they put more time and effort into Max level narrative content, because then everything can scale properly gameplay wise
@Shiirow
3 ай бұрын
why even level right? just make everyone max level the second they create their character with an appropriate item level for a fresh character. get you on that gear treadmill as quickly as possible.
@TheBigdaddydude
3 ай бұрын
Leveling has gotten stupid short. For 1st toon should be considerably longer and then shorten drastically for alts.
@al44tec
3 ай бұрын
I don’t see this as a negative. End game is all I typically care about anyway. Leveling is just something I have to do to get to what I really want to do.
@UltimaKeyMaster
3 ай бұрын
"Why is the story so short?" Because leveling in WoW means literally nothing, the entire world scales with you just to speedrun you into endgame. The only thing "leveling up" does it give the drip feed of talent points
@Syntari
3 ай бұрын
My idea of introducing horizontal progression is getting more and more enticing!
@360Fov
3 ай бұрын
It's got shorter, and shorter, and shorter....everything is about maximum speed and minimum time invested..."respect the player's time" ...The game is now the antithesis of What a Long and Strange Trip It's Been, and not my cup of tea anymore, but I'd like to see it do well.
@Seeker7172
3 ай бұрын
With every expansion folks like Asmon whinge that leveling takes too long. So it should not be a surprise we're here now.
@PearseNation
3 ай бұрын
I usually level in a day or two so I’m fine with a shorter story, but I see why others wouldn’t be down with that.
@burgers5675
3 ай бұрын
Because stories that are longer are definitely always better
@Xfacta12482
3 ай бұрын
Calling WoW leveling "stories" like there is any sort of well paced narrative during questing is insane. Its the lowest common denominator of a story wrapped up in gameplay that doesn't challenge you a single time. Its brain dead. Make it quick and easy if they refuse to make it engaging.
@lucasjesposito
3 ай бұрын
I like leveling and tbh I think it’s being streamlined due to the “quicker pacing” of a trilogy. Like they said, things are going to be much quicker this time around, but it should be fun if executed properly
@JmasterJPofWoW
3 ай бұрын
I don’t love Dragonflight’s story, but the questing ever since MoP has been amazing. Great, streamlined quests that put players on the path to max level. That’s how it should. It’s fun, engaging, and capable of lasting for years and years after the expansion concludes. With that being said, long quest lines that have really boring stories and have zero impact on the “main story” cause the game to drag on. It’s been said for so long; if they’re going to focus on max level content, what’s the point of 10 levels?
@AMKN75
3 ай бұрын
If the content is good, I won't have an issue with short leveling. I always finish everything either way 😊 Any idea when the next two expacs are coming? Maybe there will be a shorter time span between releases
@makcraft
3 ай бұрын
Story Does not equal leveling to max lvl. Even at launch, I was at max lvl before finishing Azure Span. I think that turbo mentality for realm-first (even if there is no feat of strength) created that sick culture in every WOW gamer. I think that LVLing should be tied to MSQ and be finished when you finish the MSQ to understand what in hell is happening in the lore.
@jethrodark2372
3 ай бұрын
As a person who has played since vanilla, the longer i play the less i care about lvling since ive done it so much and for so long. So the shorter the better i say.
@Tehilliym
3 ай бұрын
Shorter the better
@CosmicCleric
3 ай бұрын
As someone who also played since Vanilla (still makes me smile having my Mini Diablo pet out when playing my Priest), I'm the absolute opposite of you. I care deeply about experiencing a new world and people, and (virtual) living in the world, which is what leveling gives me. The storytelling, and lore, and the experiences. Its too bad thats lost on today's gamers. I guess its a matter of not flexing one's imagination enough these days. IMHO, rushing to "end game" is not what a MMORPG is supposed to be. Thats just a 'Lobby Game' in the disguise of a MMO.
@CosmicCleric
3 ай бұрын
@@agentsmith404 They should give (not sell) boosts for people who have leveled through the questing content multiple times, a 'Pathfinder' for questing, basically.
@jethrodark2372
3 ай бұрын
@@CosmicCleric Don't get me wrong, if i play a new MMO i do take my time lvling and enjoy myself. What im talking about is WoW is so old now lvling all feels the same to me. I still read the quests and story for lore, but as i said before ive lvled up so many times in this game it just is not the great experience it used to be. I just rather M+ and Raid the less time i have to soed lvling in WoW the better. Edit: Idk i guess i just wierd like that, i wish i still enjoyed lvling but to me all the fun stuff is at max lvl🤷♂️.
@Amplifymagic
3 ай бұрын
Yeah the main questline can be good for one play through, but as far as my alts are concerned I’m trying to skip through as much I can.
@HH-hd7nd
3 ай бұрын
Isn't it funny how people always cry about levelling being too slow - and when it's fast they all of a sudden cry about levelling being too fast. Shadowlands was strictly linear btw on the first playthrough. You start in Bastion, then you're sent to Maldraxxus, then Ardenweald, then Revendreth. That said - basically everyone hit max level before even finishing Ardenweald.
@Mcdude02
3 ай бұрын
Its like each expansion gets smaller, less zones, smaller zones, shorter story, its just kinda underwhelming these expansions feel more like mission packs instead of addition to the world
@daketh4572
3 ай бұрын
I cant stand leveling in retail. I can lvl all day in classic for months on end. But retail it bores me totally. detest retail leveling. I love classic levelling
@bossen32
3 ай бұрын
I love how you said " Swedish jail " 🤣🤣 ( im Swedish btw ^^) , its more like beeing on a restricted holiday , beeing in jail in Sweden 🤣🤣
@Jason-ji8ql
3 ай бұрын
I haven't cared about leveling since MoP original release. There came a point where the level cap got so high they had to squish it. Perhaps its time to take a different progression approach besides "level go up, therefore stats go up." Gear numbers also just end up absurdly high to the point where it just feels like a mindless choice, and it kinda sucks. Part of what made playing Classic fun again was that things like gear used to matter, especially in a leveling environment.
@luizfbrc
3 ай бұрын
I actually prefer it this way. Hate to be leveling FOR AGES! they can always release more story content after leveling and im here for it, but I'd wish it would take place in more cinematics, or atl least like ff14 does it. Plus, I got a bunch of alts to level, if im stuck with a long ass leveling storylines, locked behind renown, id probably just quit. Id did it for most of dragonflight. Came back once it was all released and catch up was available.
@1982markjm
3 ай бұрын
As long as the story is good I don't care if the leveling is relatively short.
@gregjross852
3 ай бұрын
Eras good for leveling if you want a good leveling experience. Retails leveling system is fine due to the end game content providing 99% of the content. If more content was baked into leveling I’d be all for it but I don’t want to kill random mobs for hours if I did I’d play classic.
@jessicahampton4581
3 ай бұрын
Back in the day remember we did not have chapters which is great.
@DJDarkness65
3 ай бұрын
TWW and all of this saga really feels like they are turning what used to be patches of content into expansions.
@Trashman.exe.
2 ай бұрын
i dont really mind, because of side content like mop remix, aslong as they keep doing fun crazy side stuff ill pay my sub
@deutschesvolk8216
3 ай бұрын
"Is Levelling In WoW's Next Expansion Too Short?" No, these campaigns are unecessarily over-stretched. There's no need for them to be any longer than a handful quests long. As soon as these long questlines start to get into the double digits they are no longer being used for enriching the world, they are just being used to force you throught overblown shit to stretch the amount of time you spend doing shit you don't want to do. If the reward for a quest is more appealing than the story the quest is telling, then said quest shouldn't exist.
@alicevoidspeaker2100
3 ай бұрын
I think I'd much rather Zones with less chapter, but longer chapters, instead of zones woth a lot of chapters, but they're all short chapters
@alicevoidspeaker2100
3 ай бұрын
Less, but a bit longer chapters, with more quality in them.
@Raika63
3 ай бұрын
I'd be pretty happy with them shortening the time to max level but still having that story content in other places. Leveling through dragonflight the 5th+ time gets to be a little old, even though I did really like going through it all the first couple of times.
@CosmicCleric
3 ай бұрын
Well *any* content repeated five+ times is going to feel stale. They should give (not sell) character boosts for those who have leveled through threeish times, a 'Pathfinder' for questing, basically.
@anthonystrickland7049
3 ай бұрын
The problem isn't leveling. The problem is that there isn't enough leveling content for leveling to keep it from getting repetitive. This is a big reason why their non-msq leveling option in Shadowlands was so bad. There just wasn't enough out there for a decent non-msq leveling experience. In the earlier expansions, since there was no msq, players could easily pick and choose which things they wanted to do to level up.
@jessicahampton4581
3 ай бұрын
Maybe the rest of the chapters are not implemented yet?
@jonathannewsted4035
3 ай бұрын
Personally I don't think level should exist at this point. Just make it that you have to complete the story on your main. It's just a waste of time.
@DeeFourCee
3 ай бұрын
If the renown story references the main story it should be prerequisite and if a renown story is to be referenced in the main story is should also be made prerequisite AND remove the renown requirement
@-.-Monster
3 ай бұрын
dragonflight had quick questing too. the side quests? jeez. go for taiven. the quests are endless. I think they're just streamlining hitting max level and making ALL side content optional
@Zoeila
3 ай бұрын
You can tell they want wantbto compare to FF14 but for some reason are afraid too
@d1o2c3t4o5r
3 ай бұрын
Because blizzard can't be fucked to make leveling fun, so you might as well speed it up.
@jaymzOG
3 ай бұрын
Meh. Just means they'll have more max level storytelling. It's been proven time and again that current WoW players hate leveling. May as well just embrace it and design around it.
@TRGoon
3 ай бұрын
Realy liked df for the fact that you don't have to go throug the whole thing to get max lvl! And loved that you have the opportunety to choose so many sidequests to get extra renown for the factions!
@williamdante7470
3 ай бұрын
Quality over quantity. Give me a short, but exquisite, levelling experiencing over 5 zones with almost a hundred re-skinned identical quests
@omarcomming722
2 ай бұрын
There is no guarantee that quality will increase, i hate how people always jump to this argument. They are making shorter expansions and shrinkflating the game to sell you expansions and make hype cycles more often, you won't get any extra quality.
@williamdante7470
2 ай бұрын
@@omarcomming722 I still prefer quality over quantity. Just because I'm not getting that doesn't mean I still don't prefer it.
@MrThundaro
3 ай бұрын
The reason DF's main campaign felt lame is because the story IS LAME That is the problem.
@Andrew-tf2hp
3 ай бұрын
I'm just so sick of the rinse and repeat aspect of this game. I've been playing since 2006; I have no solution, just burnt out. I've quit, again and I don't know if I'll be back for TWW
@KiaStout
3 ай бұрын
As someone who enjoys the story and will read the quest text at least once, then im good with shorter zone stories. When they try to drag out the quests, a lot of the time, you lose focus on what your character is actually doing. Im good with as many side quests as you want, but the campaign being shorter honestly feels better.
@facetiouslyinsolent8313
3 ай бұрын
People have been complaining about leveling since vanilla. The faster the better. Thank you blizz!
@Shiirow
3 ай бұрын
Hate to break it to you but the average wow player has the attention span of a goldfish, they would opt to just delete the entire game except the next expansion and just start at max level if they had the option.
@gageracer
3 ай бұрын
Please add solo mode. I hate trying to quest and chill then group of people farming the shat out of mobs, sitting on top of quest givers and nuking the whole world like in Captain Grim videos. Let me play the game on launch the way I want to. The questing is the biggest thing you pay for in the expansion and it lasts maybe 5 hours if you are lucky. Let me fight mobs 1vX so I actually try to focus and play the game unless I invite someone to my party. LET ME HAVE THE CAMPAIGN FEELING YOU ALREADY DID IN W3!
@andrewballard2783
3 ай бұрын
This has to be one of the weirdest requests for an mmo I've seen. I don't even think that's financially feasible.
@gageracer
3 ай бұрын
@@andrewballard2783 You know we already have the party lvl sync? Same just for you so you don't have to see the chaos of people ruining the only good story moments in this god awful rpg game.
@andrewballard2783
3 ай бұрын
@@gageracer So what you're saying is you want them to develop something to create a sub-par experience of a different game you could be playing instead?
@gageracer
3 ай бұрын
@@andrewballard2783 It's not developing something extra. All the game data is in your client. Just don't show random people around you which is like a local online mode for any game in the world already have. I want solo questing mode cause it will be better immersion for all the voice acting while nobody is running wild like a maniac.
@andrewballard2783
3 ай бұрын
@@gageracer They would have to phase you and spawn mobs in that phase specifically for you. They could do it but it seems like you should just play an rpg instead. I wouldn't even be against an offline mode instead but I just don't see the value. Maybe if you can get a significant portion of the playerbase to ask for an offline mode you'd get it but then why would you pay for a sub? I'll agree they could offer the ability for you to be set in a scene for each mini cutscene to avoid the sounds of others around.
@natev580
3 ай бұрын
I understand that there is a group of people who enjoy leveling and more would be better for those people. What I wonder is, what is that percentage of people when compared to everyone else who plays for endgame? I think it is also possible that we have not seen all of the quests available, much like in Dragonflight. Perhaps Blizzard is making the leveling part of the story shorter for those who just can't be asked and will put in some crazy side stories or something for those who enjoy that experience, much like the renown unlocks in our current game.
@hypnotic13371337
3 ай бұрын
Why even have leveling anymore? Just include higher ilvl gear each expac, fuck it
@zerox3448
3 ай бұрын
The quicker I can get to max level so I can do endgame content, the better.
@Jaasielaomdrech
3 ай бұрын
This is a expansion simulator, leveling hasnt been relevant for years nor apart of the experience overall. Find better leveling/social experiences on a private server with the OG wow players
@Shiirow
3 ай бұрын
So rather than make it relevant and interesting, just throw it in the trash so you can get to your max level mythic+ runs quicker.
@The86Ripper
3 ай бұрын
Levelling is something completely and utterly unescessary and serves no purpose so no. By default it can never be too short.
@Shiirow
3 ай бұрын
it could serve a purpose, but you are too addicted to the gear treadmill, you cant fathom any other way.
@eXcaligore
3 ай бұрын
I expected it to be a bit longer since they we're gonna implement dungeons in the storyline (since follower dungeons are a thing). But that's fine, there will be more story in the patches that follow. I just wish that when 11.2 is released you can do the 11.0.5/7 quests as part of your leveling instead of having to find worldquests or sidequests to get those last one or two levels in.
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