A “F1 Team” that is willing to Adapting & Evolving?!...
@Chyeahokay
22 сағат бұрын
You have that same energy if it was redbull?
@hindools2107
22 сағат бұрын
@@Chyeahokay Yes, I’ll have it for every team, not a blind fan of one team.
@Dyils
19 сағат бұрын
@@hindools2107 The congratulations, you're one of the few. You know damn well that's not true for half the fanbase.
@MidTennPews
17 сағат бұрын
@@Dyilswell more than half mate. Probably 70% or more I'd guess.
@Heisenberg_747
Күн бұрын
Ferrari should bring back 2019 engine. 💀
@twistafear
Күн бұрын
Alpine already tried that
@notorious_nrsa
Күн бұрын
@@twistafearwhen?
@rmpelnilschen130
Күн бұрын
@@notorious_nrsaOn the AZE weekend. They have been dq'd from Quali for Fuel Flow Rate exceeding 100kg/h
@AndyHack10
Күн бұрын
@@Heisenberg_747 Instant ban just like Red Bull's rear wing of 2021.
@NicotineRosberg
Күн бұрын
That’s the last mighty engine. Illegal or not
@jansz1589
Күн бұрын
It's astonishing how much controversy can a detail like this raise... and how significant advantage can it give you...
@ronbelanger4113
Күн бұрын
Shows it really is a Constructors championship.
@juzoli
22 сағат бұрын
Even if it is a small detail, it might be just enough to push airflow to above the wing, effectively disabling the wing like a DRS.0
@cuckmasterflex9106
21 сағат бұрын
There are far too many rules in F1 currently when it comes to car development
@TatorTaco
21 сағат бұрын
@@juzoliseems small but it's a huge advantage. It aids in straightline speed but also medium to high speed cornering with turn in. That aids in tyre deg. That explains the insane true advantage they've exploited in multiple races this year. Add in the flexi front wing and the additional brake duct cooling channels. Rolling controversy.
@salkdhfpoahergpoahre1534
20 сағат бұрын
I think everyone is massively massively overstating the benefit it has. Leclerc was holding Piastri off just fine until the first stops, and he didn’t have it, and only got passed because he left the door open while Piastri had a tire advantage, which allowed him to send it
@markorr7035
Күн бұрын
Not only the straight line speed, but the can run more downforce with no penalty
@owenmonckton2713
Күн бұрын
No penalty is a bit of an exaggeration
@mikereyes2269
Күн бұрын
This trick comes at the expense of being slower with actual DRS open, check the stats, MCL38 was the slowest with DRS in Baku among the top teams.
@pikeroast1573
Күн бұрын
@@mikereyes2269Curious as of why the actual DRS speed is slower though, since in DRS the flap is totally open, and the drag should be even less
@godIIy
Күн бұрын
@@mikereyes2269 Wasn't piastri somehow faster than leclerc who has drs?
@vikdotexe
Күн бұрын
@@mikereyes2269id guess that was gain in speed
@Lucie-b6i
8 сағат бұрын
The FIA response is also flexible depending on which team is doing the rule bending.
@finns7615
9 минут бұрын
Exactly
@AtreusMobile
23 сағат бұрын
I just dont get the FIA's consistency, last year they got a sniff of Aston's flexible wing that passed their tests and immediately deemed it illegal, but this year they delayed any decisions for multiple months
@SergioLopez-tq6wq
4 сағат бұрын
Spanish vs British driver representing each team
@sdcraig
9 минут бұрын
@@SergioLopez-tq6wqAw. Diddums, wannabe victim.
@finns7615
8 минут бұрын
Fia act like they don’t see it when it’s McLaren or Mercedes
@finns7615
2 минут бұрын
The Fia don’t want to make it illegal because then the title fight wouldn’t be good. From their perspective everything is great, multi team winner, close championship. It’s all about the money.
@zardozal8239
Күн бұрын
This is why we love Formula 1. It has always been this way, teams carefully reading the rule book and pushing the limits of what is legal.
@JDT2309
17 сағат бұрын
Agreed. Innovation is at the heart of F1 and it’s a shame that so many people will instantly cry that something like this is illegal instead of accepting that a team is pushing the limits. It is what it is I guess
@FrankDyke
14 сағат бұрын
Yup, I love this stuff. It's what makes F1 specifically and motorsports in general different from all others: the constant technical innovation.
@ricardovelazquez6480
10 сағат бұрын
yes but it is unfair RB or ferrari if they find these gray areas they ban it next race. They should be consice with all teams.
@StreetComp
5 сағат бұрын
Absolutely! Kudos to McLaren, and really after the last few years of utter boredom since title was won by June, this season has turned amazing so it’s fine with me if teams use grey area stuff to make races exciting again
@BeautifulModelBarbaraHutch-v4e
22 сағат бұрын
What I don't like it's FIA changing rules mid season. If some team discovered a loophole on the rules, let them have it, let other teams try to achieve that. It should be the pinnacle of the sport, trying to get the best of the rules available at the start of a season. FIA could/should cover this loopholes to the next season and that's it.
@hedlund
21 сағат бұрын
I'm with you on that one. Especially since they do specify a _static_ load be applied during the actual testing, so.. FIA's bad.
@alexanderb3340
21 сағат бұрын
Exactly. It’s all about exploiting loopholes. That’s when innovation appears.
@arnaud2107
21 сағат бұрын
there is no loophole in that area on the technical regulations: page 33- 3.10.10 Drag Reduction System (DRS) point C, F and G: C: There must be no relative movement between the constituent parts of the DRS Bodywork F: The design is such that failure of the system will result in the uppermost closed section returning to the normal high incidence position. G: Any alteration of the incidence of the uppermost closed section may only be commanded by direct driver input and controlled using the control electronics specified in Article 8.3
@Arsenic71
21 сағат бұрын
Don't worry, they don't always do that, only for certain teams.
@HaIPeHaOP
19 сағат бұрын
Yeah, all teams play the same game, as long as rules are enforced equally then let them have it.
@fintonmainz7845
Күн бұрын
The wings are what can be seen. Imaging the scope for "bending" the rules on the floor...
@Bala.the.Baldie
Күн бұрын
I don't think the floor is flexible
@fintonmainz7845
Күн бұрын
@@Bala.the.Baldie we have no way of knowing. It's where the most extreme low pressure area is .
@Gamurboi
Күн бұрын
@@fintonmainz7845 there isnt a rule saying you cant have too low of a pressure under the floor...
@fintonmainz7845
Күн бұрын
@@Gamurboi yes we all know that. There is a rule against movable aerodynamic devices and has been since the 1960s. (Drs being the exception). The purpose of such movable devices would be to release pressure (and hence drag) on the straights.
@Anthony-j7q
Күн бұрын
@@fintonmainz7845 exactly
@poopsiclemcgee1134
Күн бұрын
FIA is so annoying their half assed meddling is just a negative. Allowing more ingenuity on the cars would make things so much more interesting lol
@olivierb9716
20 сағат бұрын
fia.... the only rulemaker??? and, no
@grgavin85
Күн бұрын
this rear wing reminds me of the mclaren speedtail 🧐
@mpow3r972
23 сағат бұрын
Now that you mention it 🤔
@CringeLord0119
22 сағат бұрын
This kind of creativity in interpreting the rules is necessary in f1. Amend the rules if it’s such a big deal, otherwise it’s fair game.
@AdamWebb1982
21 сағат бұрын
I think everyone is missing the fact the whole rear plane was twisting down, it wasn’t just lifting the front corners up
@SuperfluousIndividual
Күн бұрын
Ferrari engine controversy, Ferrari's fault. Mercedes DAS controversy, Mercede's fault. Red Bull's flex-wings and the rumoured illegal brake system controversy, RB's fault. McLaren flex-wings controversy, McLaren's fault. When will F1 fans stop blaming the teams for looking and exploring grey areas in the rule book and start putting some pressure on the FIA to create actual regulations without loopholes? If their wing passed the flexibility test and was deemed legal, why are people blaming the team? Blame the FIA instead and have them come up with stricter regulations for that sort of thing. Every year shit like this happens and people are more concerned with attacking the teams who're being smart than the FIA for not doing their job properly. It's insane.
@dhomnawhsa
Күн бұрын
Finally someone said it! I have nothing against team finding loopholes and being creative about it. What bothers me is the inconsistency of the FIA itself. They were so quick to punish in the past and now even after all this leaked footage of MCL's rear wing we still havent heard a single shit from FIA itself.
@slipnemesis
Күн бұрын
You can't possibly create rules without loopholes, to do that you need to think of every possible technical innovation before the teams do... and then ban it. It isn't realistic, and even if it was you're just better off driving spec cars at that point. I do agree with the sentiment around how FIA can be judged as to be "unfair" over what it percieves as legal or not. For me personally there should be no mid-season rule changes (unless it impacts safety), if a clever team found out a way to exploit the rule then they should be free to enjoy it, until the other teams catch up or FIA bans it for the next season.
@506thLittleberry
Күн бұрын
@@slipnemesis You're right in the sense that writing a set of rules that eliminates all loopholes is pretty much impossible to do. But the FIA has historically done an extremely poor job at even attempting. In order to achieve a desired effect, for example to eliminate outwash from the cars, the FIA tends to describe components like front wings etc in the rules. F.ex. the wing can be this wide, the end plates have to be this shape, etc. This is the kind of thing that allows teams to exploit loopholes the most. Instead, if the FIA wants to eliminate outwash in order to improve the racing, they should just explicitly state in the rules that aerodynamic surfaces that create outwash are illegal. That means that it doesn't matter what clever way a team could come up with to bring back some outwash, it would be illegal automatically.
@Appletank8
Күн бұрын
Outside of making rules that say "you can only do this and nothing else", the creativity of hundreds of engineers is going to result in unexpected solutions compared to what the handful of rulemakers in charge can account for. And even then, no mechanical part is 100% rigid, otherwise the slightest pressure would cause them to snap. Anything in the windstream is going to bend at least a little bit, teams are going to try to bend as much as the rules allow.
@yourlovabledictator
Күн бұрын
@@slipnemesisfully agree. The only real issue of concerns was around Ferrari's engine which seemed to be completely against the rules rather than a loophole which was all dealt with in secrecy.
@3rdGenGuy
22 сағат бұрын
it'll be legal until Redbull makes their own version.
@mineralwater6736
3 сағат бұрын
yep
@MahendraGaadhi
Сағат бұрын
Exactly
@pdxholmes
Күн бұрын
I will never understand why people want this kind of stuff stamped out. This is GREAT, this is what we should want F1 to be. These kind of crazy pushes towards the tiniest advantage. It's what makes F1, F1. If you want to watch a spec series plenty of those exist. F1 should always remain a series about engineering on the edge.
@bugsymalone5744
23 сағат бұрын
Exactly, it's all about exploring grey areas, it always has been.
@thedutchfoxxx
23 сағат бұрын
I partially agree. Exploiting has always been F1, but F1 has always decided to put an end to these unfair advantages to allow a more level playing field. If I somehow found a legal loophole allowing to steal, the state would close the loophole very quickly. In this case, Mclaren is in a very gray area, going directly against the very clear rule that the DRS flap should not move at all. It's pretty black and white here, and the FIA should clearly issue a clarification TD as they have done in every previous season when one team (Redbull, Mercedes) were exploiting gray areas of the rules.
@guilhermefonseca1562
22 сағат бұрын
The teams don't want the others to find advantages, that's why they complain to the FIA (which I guess is okay). Some fans only want the team they cheer for to win, so they complain about any tiny thing when they're not (I don't think it's okay) I want to see great racing, and if a little bit of wing flexing keeps giving races like Baku I'm all for it
@Chyeahokay
22 сағат бұрын
We don’t. But fia can’t force redbull and Ferrari to have Almost zero flex, while allowing this on others…. It’s insanity how they allow different teams to do different things
@Gapson76
22 сағат бұрын
@@Chyeahokayguess youre a ferrari fan boy?
@kondjedes4866
21 сағат бұрын
What McLaren is doing may be in a grey area, what is NOT is the FIA's inconsistency when it comes to mid season bans. Those only seem to happen to Aston Martin and Red Bull...
@pidfenderlane9012
7 сағат бұрын
Also the Ferrari floor in 2022😉
@logantoleary
Күн бұрын
Their explanation of how it works is wrong (although the net result is still correct). Theres a video floating around out there with static grid lines placed over it to help see the movement, and the thing that it really shows is that the leading edge of the DRS flap ISN'T moving, and its the rest of the rear wing/rear of the drs flap that moves under load. This is whats creating the appearance that the DRS flap is lifting. With the other teams, the front of the DRS flap along with the swan neck/drs actuator move relative to the rear wing, while again, the McLaren's doesn't move at all under load. Conjecture time: It didn't seem like McLaren's rear wing was backing off more than the other teams so my guess is that they just found a clever way to mount the DRS actuator/swan neck to the chassis so it doesn't deflect along with the rear wing. That seems like a much easier thing to engineer compared to working some magic with materials elasticity but I also know nothing about materials science so don't take this section as any kind of fact
@QwoaX
20 сағат бұрын
FIA when RBR/AM: "How dare you!" FIA when McL/Merc: "Weird flex but okay."
@renaultmeganesuperleggera
16 сағат бұрын
blud literally forgot when DAS was only usable for a single season and fia actually helped rbr right from the start of 2021 season by changing the rake angle for all cars
@pidfenderlane9012
8 сағат бұрын
@renaultmeganesuperleggera, flexing is the subject mentioned, not Das system from Mercedes. Also the rules that you mention in 2021 to favour Redbull, were expected to hit the high rake cars.
@formulabedrin
4 сағат бұрын
@@renaultmeganesuperleggera the fia only allowed mercedes to use das nobody else was allowed to make their own
@QwoaX
3 сағат бұрын
@@formulabedrin Well, anyone could've copied it for the season but the implementation would've taken too long to see a reasonable benefit in-season. They were better-off focusing on other things.
@mineralwater6736
3 сағат бұрын
RB fanboy spotted. no one benefited more from FIA'S inconsistency than RB in the past 3 years.
@Spearkly
23 сағат бұрын
if youre not testing the limits of the regulations, youre not trying hard enough
@AyyFuji
17 сағат бұрын
What I hate the most about this is the lack of consistency within the FIA. We had this exact thing with flexi wings in 2021, teams were given a date to change their wings by. But now, it’s suddenly fine, and they won’t do anything? How is it this hard to run F1, when all we want is f’ing consistency
@Mohallekiaunty
Күн бұрын
if this was Red Bull doing it and winning then people would lose thier shit over it saying jow its illegal, rule breaking, not healthy for competition etc etc..but since its Mclaren, its just a cheeky innovation and team pushing thier limits and finding loopholes.
@acs7167
Күн бұрын
True enough
@B__L
Күн бұрын
It's almost like people are sick of Red Bull winning but happy to see Mclaren do so for the first time in a while? Crazy concept to wrap your head around!
@tobiclarence5236
Күн бұрын
True
@user-ly4el7qf7t
Күн бұрын
what? ive heard nothing but people getting mad about it.
@Scherfix15
Күн бұрын
If it would have been red bull doing this the same amount of people would be complaining as it is the case with mclaren right now. But in the end this sport is just about finding the best way to push their car to the maximum and still be within the legal regulatories. Mclaren has just found the most efficient way and still be legal for the moment. Most likely next season this exact rule will be adjusted so that this is not possible anymore, or the other teams will do the same as mclaren with their wings. This is what F1 is about and always has been in its history. And btw I´m no Mclaren fan just to make it clear.
@cabanford
Күн бұрын
If it's in the rules... That's the whole point of F1
@TheDevnul
23 сағат бұрын
Exactly, it passed all FIA stress tests.
@balintmatrai6702
22 сағат бұрын
That excuse didn’t work for Red Bull and Mercedes when their wings were bending.
@TheDevnul
22 сағат бұрын
@@balintmatrai6702 they will either amend the rules like they did with asymmetric breaking or they will do nothing until it becomes a problem. I’m sure RB and Ferrari asked the FIA if they are going to do something about it. If not, they are working on it now.
@fintonmainz7845
22 сағат бұрын
It's not so much about "the rules" but what the stewards can effectively measure
@cabanford
22 сағат бұрын
@@fintonmainz7845 the only really interesting part of F1 is the politics. The racing usually rubbish, but all the BLA BLA kinda fun.
@outlawfps3948
21 сағат бұрын
In a cost cap era, there should be no mid-season bans. If a team is smart enough to spend their limited money finding the FIA's loopholes, they should be allowed to keep it
@guneytopal1713
7 сағат бұрын
It won’t be a ban to McLaren per say but if they do deem is illegal the spec will be banned so McLaren will have to go back to an older spec or upgrade. You can’t ban or give a points deduction to teams who are legal on paper but find loop holes. Hence why RedBull never got a points penalty or constructors ban in 2021 and it’s also why Ferrari were given a points penalty in 2020.
@LongTimeAgoNL
20 сағат бұрын
Why is it, that when Red Bull and Ferrari finds something in the grey area, it is banned the next race. But when Mercedes or McLaren find something in the grey area its "difficult" and "we might do something about it next season"?
@marcpaola1371
13 сағат бұрын
Because redbull and Ferrari don't have British drivers or drivers from where English is a second language
@TheSarcasticEngineer
11 сағат бұрын
@@marcpaola1371 ... what?! Dude, you just described almost everywhere on earth.
@marcpaola1371
11 сағат бұрын
@TheSarcasticEngineer what iam saying is fia and liberty favour the British teams and British and English speaking drivers! Like I said, if Ferrari did this you would here the never ending calls to ban it, they are cheats etc..
@tobiaskroger7102
10 сағат бұрын
It is because not all grey area findings are the same. It is hard to acknowledge, because the simple version you present gains so many upvotes.
@marcpaola1371
10 сағат бұрын
@tobiaskroger7102 it's true, though, with redbull they were on to it straight away even though they passed the homologation tests but with McLaren, the FIA is waiting till the end of the year as they feel it's to late and will be to disruptive to the team. They will let McLaren have the advantage this year to try and have a close title and ban what they are doing for next year.
@daltonhawbaker1166
Күн бұрын
I thought those dots they put on the wings were supposed to prevent this from happening.
@acs7167
Күн бұрын
Rules are always subjective in F1 if you have the right people in your pocket they are mere suggestions
@Mrcento
Күн бұрын
They are for looking for entire wings leaning backwards/tilting (As they were at one point in the past), this is 1 element twisting so the corners lift a little on the DRS flap when it's closed.
@ballaking1000
14 сағат бұрын
@@acs7167 Quit talking out your... Please give examples because in my experience, the 9 other teams wouldn't exactly be okay with a team running something illegal but gets a free pass because they merely had the right people (which are, who?) in their pockets. The second response makes way more sense and with zero edge in it too!
@CaptHotah
Күн бұрын
If it's legal then every team should do it asap
@southpawjinx1
23 сағат бұрын
Yes that’s how it works
@vishwavichu3861
23 сағат бұрын
Exactly that's the point of exploiting the loopholes, the competition will become even good tbh. Let all of them do this and we have a great end to the season.
@coolio33388
Күн бұрын
F1 is always so back when you get videos like these
@vralmanuel
Күн бұрын
I find the people raging at 'illegal' parts hilarious. F1 has always been at its best when you have controversies over teams finding edges, grey-zones and technological breakthroughs.
@jonlamontagne
Күн бұрын
@vralmanuel I just made a post to the general area about my favorite part of F1 actually racing in general because NASCAR used to do it as well is the pushing of Grey areas Merck D tuning their V6 hybrid with their split turbo so it didn't show how big of an advantage they had and of course the infamous blown diffusers of red bull. Can you imagine the 2021 season having Red Bull and Merc trading punches pushing the areas of flexi wings? Hell I hate Mercedes and I don't really have one team I root for I root for what we have right now in F1 which is competition. Or think back to 2010 and 2012 with Red Bull and Mercedes trading punches 2018 with Ferrari pushing the engine boundaries. But it is always funny to me when you have a team like Red Bull report somebody for flexi wings or Mercedes point out somebody pushing engine boundaries hell I just forgot 2021 also had the DAS system on the Merc. I also want to clear up that I said I hate Mercedes but I also wasn't very happy with Red Bull for the past 2 years either. I don't just randomly pick a team to hate it just seems like Mercedes had such a long reign of dominance that it truly bothered me even though it wasn't as dominant as Red Bull just had for the past two seasons. But I was also extremely disappointed in Mercedes because I really thought they were going to catch Red Bull at the early quarter of last season because they seem like they actually had a shot at it not to mention even Red Bull was saying they were worried about Mercedes ability to develop the car and how quickly they would be able to catch them. I guess we all kind of have that mentality of Mercedes would dump as much money as they possibly could into a problem fix it and have it ready for the next race or One race following that. I know they can't spend crazy money anymore but they are still Mercedes and they can still win as they've proven last year and this year and will continue to prove going forward.
@andrewmelton2686
Күн бұрын
Build up to the last 3 singapore GP have been spicy (2022 cost cap rumours, 2023 flexi wing technical directive and here we have 2024
@DAGATHire
Күн бұрын
@@vralmanuel well, you are half right... people say things like your comment when their fav team is the one's bending the rules. But turn the tables, with Merc or RB or someone else and these "oh people raging is so hilarious" suddenly they are the ones raging! Excluding you of course!
@vralmanuel
22 сағат бұрын
@@DAGATHire It just happened too. People raging at Red Bull for the rumor (cause no one has proof of anything) that they were using asymmetric braking systems. Its a competition between engineers. I wish there was more stuff like Ferrari's injection shenanigans, Renault's mass dampers, etc.
@jadepalmer5608
Күн бұрын
If this were RedBull and not McLaren people would be throwing an absolute fit lol
@LouSassol69er
20 сағат бұрын
Definitely. Mclaren gets a pass by fans because of how popular Norris is.
@simon9548
20 сағат бұрын
They would say stuff like Flexiwingstappen
@Cinnamonbun9000
20 сағат бұрын
You mean like the hot blown diffuser of 2011 that enable red bull to dominate by getting on the throttle earlier, generating more downforce out of the corners? Oh yeah that old chestnut. Another one of Neweys ingenious understandings of aerodynamics. Red Bulls wing didn’t pass the static test. Let’s also not overlook the fact that Red Bull were the only team to breach the cost cap when it was first implemented. You’ve also probably noticed Red Bulls performance has diminished somewhat after Miami. That’s to do with their independently operating brakes being deemed illegal and quietly not running it anymore, despite nothing being said in the open. So you tell me about the FIA being inconsistent. If it doesn’t breach the rules, then it doesn’t breach the rules. If it does, the FIA will act.
@TassieLorenzo
20 сағат бұрын
@@Cinnamonbun9000 "You mean like the hot blown diffuser of 2011 that enable red bull to dominate by getting on the throttle earlier, generating more downforce out of the corners?" This was targeted by the FIA with a fixed exhaust position in 2012. The exhaust could no longer be located at the floor, be at the rear like on the Red Bull or at the front like on the Lotus or whatever. In the 1980's it was VERY common for cars to have the exhaust exit under the car, most of the Senna-era McLarens used an underfloor exhaust and all of Newey's McLaren of the late 90's all had the exhaust exiting under the car. Until 2012, it was never considered that the exhaust exiting above the car should be mandatory. Ferrari had their own reasons to pursue top-side exhausts from the F2001 onwards (which most of the others had copied).
@stevenst6337
20 сағат бұрын
If it was Redbull they would calling for all Max/Redbull titles to be stripped 😂
@jonlamontagne
Күн бұрын
It's funny in real time I noticed their wing and Ferraris Wing along with Mercedes Wing flexing down under relatively low speed conditions. It reminded me immediately of when I noticed the Red Bull Wings flexing back in the early 2010s I can't remember the exact year that the controversy was because it kind of just carried on through the years but I do believe teams should be given a little bit more of a gray area to push so we can see things like flexi Wings develop to the appropriate level and then be capped because imagine the arms race we would have had in 2021 with Mercedes and Red Bull and flexi wings with Mercedes using their front and rear wings and Red Bull using mostly its rear wing. I think personally I love when teams attack the gray areas like McLaren's F duct Mercedes being so far ahead in the new engine era that they literally tuned down their engines so that it didn't show how large of an advantage they truly had and the infamous blown diffuser of Red Bull.
@mistertheking
21 сағат бұрын
Find it funny that flexi wings with Red Bull the FIA stepped in immediately, but with McLaren they haven't put any sort of technical directive or anything when they're well within their right to do so like they did in 2021.
@Maxdubi
18 сағат бұрын
Aswell as redbulls torque brake steering
@stephendobbs7312
16 сағат бұрын
no other teams are complaining about it
@marcpaola1371
13 сағат бұрын
Because redbull don't have drivers from places where English is the 1st language.
@snowrabbit9558
22 сағат бұрын
It’s legal according to the British media 🇬🇧, and unfortunately, that’s all that matters in F1. The development rate of that McLaren seems illegal all over! Front wing flex, rear wing flex, controversial side floor-add it all up, and it makes the car a lot quicker.
@dalmeow
Күн бұрын
Some other diagrams I saw showed that even the top of the rear wing deflecting a bit downwards as well.
@meta4282
Күн бұрын
If this was RB, people would be getting chest pains.
@bot_harxxhil
Күн бұрын
especially FIA, United Kingdom winning here too.
@thephoenixfromtheashes
Күн бұрын
well.. people are very much angry on this one as well I'm guessing there is just more people that don't want RB to succeed, than people that don't want McLaren to succeed
@issahgyandi3365
Күн бұрын
If this was your mother, she would be a woman of the streets with how often her gap pops open.. But it's not, so be glad for that and stop speculating with the "But if's".....
@danielvilliers612
Күн бұрын
Poor redbull fans, they thought they would win for the next decade. I thought you people were saying Max can win in a Sauber lol.
@stevenst6337
20 сағат бұрын
@@danielvilliers612who is saying Max can win in a Sauber? I love how all Max haters take Helmut Marko comment he made in Brazil last year saying Max could win a pole in a haas in wet conditions. And now all his haters claim that all Max fans say Max can win in any car 😂. You’re a fucking joke buddy
@kala457
20 сағат бұрын
Mclaren rn: Hmmm what else can we make to be very flexible 😂
@Cardioid2035
22 сағат бұрын
What would be awesome is if the body of these cars transform wildly over the course of a race in the future. It would be so cool to watch them drastically change shape everywhere in real time
@Delos-33
17 сағат бұрын
The FIA seems to be a lot more accepting and circumspect regarding the complexities of ruling out loophole exploitations by teams that start with M rather than those starting with R. There were no such ‘complexities’ when the RB rear wing was banned after 3 races in 2021.
@WillMushivochi
8 сағат бұрын
"We don't think this is illegal" if this was RB or Ferrari ...
@mineralwater6736
3 сағат бұрын
if it was RB the wouldn't even be an investigation.
@BruceWayne-nr3nl
23 сағат бұрын
RBR 2021 wings passed the FIA load test but they instantly banned it. What's the changed this time?
@marcpaola1371
13 сағат бұрын
Mclaren has a British driver, that's why
@andreacava5512
23 сағат бұрын
Well, you have to admit that this is a very cheeky innovation from McLaren. From the engineering point of view of the f1, this is extraordinary
@Jay-nk6dm
Күн бұрын
You explained the mechanism incorrectly. It is not possible for a downforce creating element to suddenly “move up”. All elements of the rear wing are tested for flexibility, EXCEPT the wing tips. If you watch the onboard, the wingtips flex quite dramatically. Since the wingtips are connected to the drs flap at the top, the drs flap bends over too. Additionally, since the DRS connector cannot move, the flap is stuck at the front. The result is the back of the flap moves down, the front stays the same, creating the opening.
@KlavarRecordings
18 сағат бұрын
It’s not just about the extra speed, that extra 10th of a second will allow them to fit a higher downforce wing for slow corners, and help tire deg, and not have the disadvantage of being out dragged on the straight
@Sederiq
7 сағат бұрын
That's right. Piastri's perfect exits and acceleration out of the last corner lap after lap was, presumably, possible because of better controlling surface temperature of rear tires in the corner section due to higher downforce setup, comparing to Leclerc's Ferrari, which had to slide more through the corners, generating additional heat into the tires, which limited his ability to keep up with Piastri in the initial phase of acceleration out of the corner.
@tanishqsahu2564
Күн бұрын
Formula 1 has always been about bending the rules to gain as much advantage as possible. Every succesful team has been doing this for years, so it shouldn't be a surprise that McLaren are bending the rules in their favour
@AndyHack10
Күн бұрын
@@tanishqsahu2564 Yeah but some got their wings banned instantly, others aren't even questioned. Imagine if Red Bull had flexible wings...
@B__L
Күн бұрын
@@AndyHack10 The ones that get banned instantly fail the tests that are already in place. Mclaren's passes their testing.
@Spankster.
Күн бұрын
@@B__L not always true… many parts that pass tests have been banned for being against “the spirit of the regulations” and/or lead to the FIA making revisions to the rules to close loopholes that those parts were exploiting, making them illegal to use going forward
@ImmortaliusMNE
Күн бұрын
@@B__L No, they passed the test. If they failed they would get DSQ.
@NotAcvp3lla
Күн бұрын
@@AndyHack10When Red Bull broke the cost cap it was termed a minor overspend, now McLaren is exploiting a minor gap in their rear wing. Fair is fair.
@vincentlussier8264
21 сағат бұрын
Formula One has become so technical now that I find it not only hard to understand all the changes but keeping up with them all. That's why I trailed away fom it and now I watch all the older Grand Prix racing footage going all the way back to the 1920's ! That was a real blast!
@TheKillkorde
Күн бұрын
So the gap is illegal when static but not in motion? Think Lewis Hamilton DQ after Brazil quali 2021. That EXACT gap was too large when static. The FIA only needs to use a single wind tunnel to simulate this...
@mikereyes2269
Күн бұрын
Wind tunnels are not cheap, and to test this they'll would need a state of the art wind tunnel. They'll probably allow it for this season, simply for the audacity of Mclaren to come up with the trick and that there's no way to properly test it. Besides I think the circuits where this was beneficial have already passed anyway. Can't really blame a team for exploiting a loophole in the rules, that's what you want from your engineers if you want to run a successful F1 team.
@SV-mc1jq
Күн бұрын
@@mikereyes2269 Good answer, a lot of people don't recognize that these changes are essentially only effective in long straights, and all 3 of Spa, Monza and Baku have passed already. In addition, to replicate the wind speeds of a car going over 320 kmph is ridiculously hard, possibly a handfull of them exist in the world.
@AKStovall
Күн бұрын
@@SV-mc1jq the only long straights left are Austin and Vegas. And those are both rather high downforce, even with the long straights, so it may be a negligible effect in those places.
@f.kieranfinney457
Күн бұрын
The gap is legal when static and not in motion.
@issahgyandi3365
Күн бұрын
@@AKStovall Exactly. People are crying about nothing.
@scs3drg
22 сағат бұрын
I hate how the FIA constantly gets in the way of innovation, put tests in place to make sure its safe, then get the hell out of the way
@muzzytt
18 сағат бұрын
If you look closely the whole wing structure is also bending
@joelanthonylopez
18 сағат бұрын
The question is. Is it legal or not? FIA seems to allow teams to do some extent of illegal modifications to their cars.
@scottb9868
Күн бұрын
Well considering theres not just 1 rule but 2 rules this violates i dont see how this has even gotten this far. 1) moveable areodynamic devices are illegal. 2) withen the rules for the DRS the wing is not to move or activate on its own.
@samuelfehl6263
Күн бұрын
Moveable aero refers to actuated movement, not flexing. The DRS wing move or activating on its own also refers to that, i.e. the wing cannot automatically open on the straight, the driver has to hit the button.
@scottb9868
Күн бұрын
@@samuelfehl6263 Flexing is movement. and the wing is starting to open by itself without help from the driver. Hence why they went after redbull for there flexing, They just didnt have a way of measuring it until they made rules. No your going to in turn say that the way there flexing it is ok but the other was not? There both the same.
@HootMaRoot
Күн бұрын
@@scottb9868flexibility and moving have separate rules when it comes to f1
@orangauvain1121
Күн бұрын
It’s beyond flexible wing as the video evidence shows . The deformation and shape change is basically active aero changing position of load should be a consistent thing. But it’s not as the flexing goes past the illegal limit just because it passes the load test. The teams should use the video evidence as proof as active aero.
@toddknight6855
Күн бұрын
Trying to understand the physics of this....I would expect a low pressure area necessary to lift up the leading edge, but it doesn't seem to make sense. Is it more that an area more inward is taking enough load to deflect down and subsequently cause the leading edge to lift up at its weakest point?
@ndog2004
Күн бұрын
Same here. I'm guessing the bottom lip in the middle has been made to give while the corners are stiff, so while the middle takes load and bends backwards, the corners bend forwards? I'm intrigued.
@Loudeboss
Күн бұрын
Precisely and that's KZitemr/ aerodynamicist B Sport's idea too. Rewatch the footage taking the top of the DRS pillar as a reference. Don't know how everyone is missing it.
@SV-mc1jq
Күн бұрын
I am no aerodynamics engineer, but could it be the generation of small, controlled vortexes from the lower rear wing edge to push the air back into the leading edge?
@Scherfix15
Күн бұрын
Been thinking about this aswell. I believe at a certain speed the pressure on the outer non drs part of the wing trying to force the air through the small gap gets so high that instead of moving the air above the wing it will lift the edge of the drs opening slightly. But this is just a guess of me
@logantoleary
Күн бұрын
Their explanation of how it works is wrong (although the net result is still correct). Theres a video floating around out there with static grid lines placed over it to help see the movement, and the thing that it really shows is that the leading edge of the DRS flap ISN'T moving, and its the rest of the rear wing/rear of the drs flap that moves backwards/downward under load creating the appearance that the DRS flap is lifting. With the other teams the front of the DRS flap moves relative to the rear wing along with the swan neck/drs actuator while again the McLaren's doesn't move at all under load. Conjecture time: It didn't seem like McLaren's rear wing was backing off more than the other teams so my guess is that they just found a clever way to mount the DRS actuator/swan neck to the chassis so it doesn't deflect along with the rear wing. That seems like a much easier thing to engineer compared to working some magic with materials elasticity but I also know nothing about materials science
@vishwavichu3861
23 сағат бұрын
This is what F1 is, find a loophole in the rules to make the competition better. Idk man this is what F1 should be.
@cameoappearanc3
21 сағат бұрын
I say fair play to McLaren. They’ve not broken any rules. I wish the FIA would back off a bit and allow the teams more space to be inventive.
@birddogz545
23 сағат бұрын
I hope several other teams show up with this same type of wing, along with flexible front wings
@jamesdougherty4233
23 сағат бұрын
If I was redbull every aero piece would be moving independently on the straights. The whole thing vending was banned but apparently it's ok if u just make their bending independent ig
@emilioferral8606
15 сағат бұрын
I feel like a gap this small would only slightly reduce form drag, but possible turbulence would mitigate any actual reduction in drag.
@thomasandersen1784
18 сағат бұрын
A HUGE advantage (full stop!).
@bunky8077
13 сағат бұрын
Missed the fact the 2 outer small fixed parts on the upper element where the DRS flap hinges from are what's causing the gap. These parts are flexing down and back and with the DRS mechanism holding the flap rigid in the middle, there is a tortional load on the DRS flap lifting the corners up. These outer bits fall outside the area being flex tested. Very clever IMHO Edit; 2:13 shows how little this hinge part is "braced" compared to last year
@andrewa9700
Күн бұрын
Given the car they rolled out in 2023 it is all the more impressive that McLaren is coming up with all these clever tricks/cheats (depending how you view the rules/who you are cheering for) in their development.
@georgemathebula4661
9 сағат бұрын
As a RB Fan its just super impressive how we have been out developed by mclaren in the span of 6 Months all praises to the Mclaren engineers, they evolved this car extremely quickly quite astonishing if you think about it.
@MrAl2742
13 сағат бұрын
How about in the future someday, F1 will allow unlimited amount of flex in all areas of the car effectively replacing active aero with it's actuators and no more policing the amount of flex of current cars. So F1 will be benefitted a lot from high tech material science of the future.
@ajfullzy
11 сағат бұрын
Let the engineers cook. I hope the FIA doesn’t squash some of these creative ideas
@sirafoxtron1701
6 сағат бұрын
Last year : Red bull's magic floor This year : Mclaren's magic little DRS
@Dremansworld
Күн бұрын
Only 1 10th of a second?? Multiply that by 51 to 75 laps and its a significant amount of time.
@Loudeboss
22 сағат бұрын
and that's just on the straight - they can run a bigger back wing with more downforce gains in corners as a result
@de1623
19 сағат бұрын
@@Loudeboss Gap in wing was only opening up when it was going over 300 kmph, that was only a very small part of the lap. Only achieved that half way down main straight, not in those shorter straights after turn one.
@mikezappa
16 сағат бұрын
Also how many meters can the car travel in a 10th of a second at the end of the straight? More than enough to stay ahead of a car with a legal wing
@de1623
15 сағат бұрын
@@mikezappa who said it's illegal? You or the FIA?
@FatVaderStudio
8 сағат бұрын
There was an analysis on r/f1technical after the race showing that the drs flap did not deform but rather the whole wing around the drs flap, meaning that mclaren got around the "drs flap isn't allowed to move" regulation
@mattevans7150
Күн бұрын
In a sport that us supposed to be the most technically advanced, why are the FIA always looking to close these loopholes that get found and exploited by great engineering?
@VykronianF1
22 сағат бұрын
Once again the FIA proves its main purpose isn’t to keep the cars safe but to restrict literally every clever design the teams come up with.
@oTownruler
Күн бұрын
What do you mean only a tenth of a second on the straight? Having that more topspeed means more wing in the corners.. It is much more than only 0,1s over the whole lap
@EnhancedCD
Күн бұрын
Yeah but he said the straight. not the lap, you even said that in your post. Surely you know what you are typing?
@oTownruler
Күн бұрын
@@EnhancedCD yeah sure. because they are saying that it doesn't create such a big advantage which I disagree with because of exactly what I wrote
@Iron_Sheep
Күн бұрын
@@oTownruler Totally, it makes the car harder to pass. That inability to pass on straights with DRS significantly hampers performance in other parts of the track where things like running in dirty air etc. slows the faster car down.
@peterbalazs516
9 сағат бұрын
Rear wing flexing is dynamically tested with the dots, so you're wrong when saying it's only passing the static tests. It passes the dynamic tests therefore no question it's legal.
@PG-20
20 сағат бұрын
If the FIA says it’s not illegal, it’s not illegal. This is the same situation Ferrari were in back in 2019, but all the Tifosi were so desperate to defend them even though Ferrari lost all that pace in a year. They kept saying “where’s the proof?”
@AndreiTupolev
10 сағат бұрын
F1 really doesn't need any manufactured controversies to generate interest this season, it's become quite exciting enough without tiresome controversies and protests about some thing so tiny that any ordinary person would never notice or care
@hoelefouk
Күн бұрын
Someone's using chat gpt
@ForestCinema
22 сағат бұрын
The FIA needs to certify the onboard cameras as measurement devices, and then set deflection limits for the aero bits at various speeds. It’s really that simple. Good on McLaren for finding the grey area in the rules, but now it’s on the FIA to make the grey black or white ASAP so that other teams can either develop in this direction (or not, if it’s disallowed.)
@timpeachey9394
18 сағат бұрын
"We dont think it is illegal because we are British"
@whassupg89
Күн бұрын
Changes coming in 2025 then. The teams will always be ahead of the fia on this stuff
@Tadd-qo1xx
19 сағат бұрын
Wait. Both Andrea Stella and Tim Goss BOTH SAID "One thing we haven't attacked yet is the car at low level drag."??
@jims6614
10 сағат бұрын
Great graphics, big improvement over just showing media footage.
@fernandoarroyo3889
Күн бұрын
I get working in the gray area, but I don't see how this is a gray area. If the FIA says that the deformation has to be uniform across the Wing elements, then how can McLaren's when be legal if only the edges flick up? I understand there's no test for it, but we all have eyes, and can see visually that the deformation is not equal across the wing.
@ChiIIi...
Күн бұрын
The gray area lies in the fact that the bottom edges of the rear wing are lifting up. While the regulations made about the topic imply that it's about the trailing edge of the rear wing moving back. As how the rule stands there is no problem with the bottom edges lifting up but there is when the trailing edge moves back.
@paulvandermeer6461
19 сағат бұрын
This is legal because it's McLaren and Norris is still within a shout of the drivers title. If this was RBR or AM, it would have been banned immediately
@mcjitsu
16 сағат бұрын
My favorite quote of that race was "pretend like there is ***something*** sitting on your shoulder and NOT seeing any wheel spin coming out of the corners". Sounds like hypmosis !! Wonder if that is in the rules ????? Might explain the totally flat emotive state of Verstappen most of the time.
@petersieper
6 сағат бұрын
Front wing flexes down under load, but the rear tips flex up, even if the load is pulling down. Genius.
@etcarief
Күн бұрын
Imagine every team brings flexi-parts
@njvic
13 сағат бұрын
They should call this legal aero flexing the "Prodromou effect" since it seems to follow whichever team Peter Prodromou is working for.
@arelle1000
19 сағат бұрын
Make the elements of the wing a single piece across the span of the wing. They flex because there is a split in the element.
@brodiemiller2296
21 сағат бұрын
F1- We want to be at the forefront of technology and innovation! Also F1- Hey! Stop innovating!
@keithspencer4554
Күн бұрын
It’s currently legal. That’s all we can say. I’d imagine it will be outlawed in some way soon. But the question for me, is how does this actually work? The current tests place a weight on the wing and measure deflection downwards. More weight equals more deflection. And for the front and rear wings this makes sense. But what’s happening on the McLaren is the load is increasing on the wing and it’s deflecting in the opposite direction! It goes up, rather than down, and opens the slot. It’s definitely deliberate and is clearly also circumnavigating the rules, but the way it seems to behave is genuinely ingenious.
@sunilraj7692
14 сағат бұрын
Carry on. Something that shouldn't be policed IMO. There's a cost cap that will stop runaway spending.
@mitchell-wallisforce7859
Күн бұрын
7:35 Y'know, wishing the rules were less restrictive is such a cliche thing to say in an F1 comments section these days, but the trend persists for a reason. I guess I and anyone else who's followed F1 long-term should be over it by now, but seeing scope for creativity keep getting cut out of the rulebook hasn't ceased to be annoying as hell. It's happened before, it'll happen again, and it'll keep happening unless/until the FIA just mandates a spec car someday. But like a mild rash or a bad itch, this shit is just.....REALLY irritating.
@coopapalooza
Күн бұрын
I love this sort of ingenuity. And whats really getting up the other teams noses is that they didn't think of it first 😀
@guybunchofnumbers123
Күн бұрын
...because they were told it was banned
@fintonmainz7845
Күн бұрын
It's hardly a genius idea. Every designer would have thought about it.
@coopapalooza
Күн бұрын
Lots of sourness here it seems.
@adamsmith4953
Күн бұрын
The stance that: "We can't make it rigid because it will break" is total BS, look at the suspension arms on the car, they're made out of carbon, they're incredibly rigid and take TONS of load and they don't break.
@an_iguana4306
Күн бұрын
The carbon you see is a shroud that covers the actual suspension element inside, which is still a metal alloy of some kind. How do you think those suspension arms are mounted to the main structure? Carbon fiber, as strong and light as it is, is still limited by it's physical structure
@thunderbug8640
Күн бұрын
Different kind of load.
@ohhkida
Күн бұрын
bending and supporting something are completely different things
@leto_atreusII
Күн бұрын
lol the ignorance 😂
@f.kieranfinney457
Күн бұрын
@@an_iguana4306 I don’t think that’s right. Adding a shroud is heavy. They shape actual parts instead. When these cars crash those arms shatter. They’re fully carbon. They likely do flex, exactly the way necessary to improve performance. Ducati tried a super rigid frame on its MotoGP bikes 15 yrs ago or so. Disaster. Turns out tuning flex is a far superior solution. Carbon is perfect for that.
@detmer87
23 сағат бұрын
If they keep allowing (or look away) this sh+t then in 10 years time we are watching *F1 transformers* 😭😂
@nitinmittal213
9 сағат бұрын
It would be much better to regulate elasticity of the materials used rather than geometry of every part separately. It will keep things simple and foster innovation.
@leoarc1061
9 сағат бұрын
That is unequivocally illegal. "The incidence (angle of attack) of the DRS flap must not change except when DRS is applied."
@fryderykkrol7250
4 сағат бұрын
I don't always get the FIA approach towards limiting such innovations, F1 in the end is about innovations and technology, and finding loop holes like elastic wings might be great for feeding road cars development, if done right. This is not F2 after all, where every teams drive the same cars.
@knight2425
6 сағат бұрын
So the FIA bend flexible wings and then run cameras to keep an eye on these wings so if they pass the tests but still flex they can clamp down on it but here we have clear footage of a flexible wind and the FIA say everything’s ok, wow
@utahnl
6 сағат бұрын
The FIA's stance on what is legal is as flexible as those wings.
@markoarkaina8656
Күн бұрын
Probably designed by a bending unit named Flexo.
@gaivscaesar
17 сағат бұрын
This is an absolutely incredible piece of engineering.
@nigeldepledge3790
6 сағат бұрын
At least McLaren are giving us an actual battle for the championship this year. When one team has a clearly superior car (whether that's McLaren, RedBull, Ferrari or Brawn), the championship is far less interesting.
@riizec
Күн бұрын
Bending the rules is part of game imo. Even if they only get to use it for a couple races.
@JoshRaptor215
22 сағат бұрын
F1 should be about exploring the limits of the rules and even pushing them a bit, respect to McLaren 💪
@Fishmanistan
21 сағат бұрын
Honestly I feel like the FIA needs to just get with the program that exploiting flexibility is just part of F1 now. Word the rules in a way that things like pivoting joints and hydraulic-actuated movable aero parts are still illegal but rigid structure deforming under load is allowed so long as the deforming parts can pass structural rigidity tests.
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