I’d be more concerned on how they justify six Inquisitors combing the galaxy, and killing thousands of them over 19 years, than some of them surviving.
@nickreed3924
Жыл бұрын
There's more than 6 inquisitors. They've never confirmed just how many there were.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
@@nickreed3924 Because LAZY WRITING!
@Mr_Mcgee_
Жыл бұрын
Not just the inquisitors, but Darth Vader as well. The implication is, at the very least, that by the time Luke comes around, that *most* of the Jedi that survived Order 66 had been hunted down and killed by Vader.
@LongLiveDarwin7007
Жыл бұрын
Yea I’ve never got why people have such an issue with Order 66 survivors it’s kinda ridiculous to think out of about 10,000 Jedi that some wouldn’t survive the galaxy is gigantic. On top of that it’s not like just because the Empire is in power more force sensitives aren’t being born. I’ve always viewed Yoda telling Luke he’s the last one as he’s the only one powerful enough to deal with Vader. I love the Original trilogy and think it should be respected when writing new stories and used as the foundation of everything but if you cling onto every little piece of dialogue said in those movie imo the world building of Star Wars would held back significantly.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
Жыл бұрын
Thousands? The clone wars already spread the jedi numbers thin, and then order 66 devastated jedi enough to likely only leave a few hundred left. Most of which Darth Vader took care of in the Old eu, being regarded as the greatest Jedi slayer in the history of the Galaxy. Which actuslly makes me like the inqusitors less because they belittle Darth vaders own skill for tracking jedi down himself.
@timefly4221
Жыл бұрын
Yoda is most likely aware that there could be other Jedi survivors, but his point is that only Luke is still committed to training as a Jedi, defeating the Sith, and rebuilding. The other survivors were either killed or decided to abandon the Order and go into hiding by assuming a new life.
@drevan1138
Жыл бұрын
Good thing Luke didn’t go into hiding and abandon the Order.
@timefly4221
Жыл бұрын
@@drevan1138 I meant the real Luke, not that low-rent Rian Johnson impersonation. 🙂
@drevan1138
Жыл бұрын
@@timefly4221 agreed, real Luke wouldn’t do that #legends
@ertymexx
Жыл бұрын
@@drevan1138 *ROFL* Now now, don't take the Disney fan-flics too seriously. ;-)
@BrakSplash
Жыл бұрын
That kind of doesn't align with the original films. Yoda gave up on even considering the possibility of training Luke, Obiwan had to convince him. The Yoda in Luke's Era seemed to have already given up and accepted the Empire's takeover
@jonathancandelario9976
Жыл бұрын
Yoda wasn’t Omnipresent and technically Luke was the last Jedi as in the only one left following the teachings of the Order. Plus no one could’ve saved Vader except for Luke
@theCantinafan
Жыл бұрын
If we look at that. During episode 6 Ahsoka: Is not a jedi Ezra: MIA Kanan: KIA Cal: We don't know how he is by then, and he could be hiding on Tanalor by then. Gungi: TBD Grogu: Not a jedi, just a youngling with the Force. Kaleran Beq: TBD So we see no actual Jedi alive or at least thought to be during episode 6
@benjaminroe311ify
Жыл бұрын
@@theCantinafan Thank you! This is what I have been saying.
@Haydawg06
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, due to the existence of characters like Ezra and Cal, Luke would not be the last jedi.. by your definition. I think we have to look at Clone Wars to understand my definition of it. Yoda was the last Jedi from the old order that had trained for his death, that truly understood what it meant to be a Jedi. The teachings he passed on to Luke was all he needed to defeat the Sith and to build a better Jedi order rather than the dogmatic teachings of the old order. While there were "Jedi" remaining in the galaxy, there was only one that could bring the Jedi out of the dark ages and into the future.
@jaernihiltheus7817
Жыл бұрын
@@Haydawg06 or leia, but leia hadn't been trained yet so if luke failed they'd have to go through all that training all over again - and any doubt vader had would've probably been stamped out by palpatine by then.
@valkorian3172
Жыл бұрын
It's confirmed in one of the Darth Vader comics that Jedi council members Oppo Rancisis and Coleman Kcaj have escaped the purge and were never found by the Empire. They are probably out there somewhere in the galaxy.
@ElRevenio
Жыл бұрын
Even if a hundred survive, the effects of the event are still being felt in everything else. Plus, they like to remind us of Order 66 by putting a scene from it in every series.
@oliveragag8576
Жыл бұрын
Even then, when they added character development to the jedi who died during order 66 like Plo Koon, Ki-Adi Mundi, and Depa Billaba, it added more emotional weight to the scene. It doesn't matter that a lot of jedi survived when even more jedi the fans cared aboyt died.
@Zsmot858
Жыл бұрын
Agree with everything you said, especially considering George Lucas’s own sequel plans had 50-100 Jedi survivors left after ROTJ. Which would be 1% of the 10k Jedi still alive in ROTS. Makes total sense for a few to have survived. Would be weird if they didn’t…
@chromatinkiss
Жыл бұрын
I was about to comment what you mentioned, that Lucas said himself 50-100 Jedi survived
@jaernihiltheus7817
Жыл бұрын
Especially since in episode 3 we see obi wan change the transmission in the temple warning any who got it to stay away. There were most likely quite a few that saw the original message, started to go to coruscant, then got the updated message and stayed far away from the core worlds
@chromatinkiss
Жыл бұрын
@@jaernihiltheus7817 Good point!
@Andrew-sk4py
Жыл бұрын
I think that the way legends handles this problem well. There are a good many jedi that survive Order 66, but by the time of ROTJ, almost all of them have been killed by Vader, the inquisitors, or just other life factors. The big issue with Disney's approach isn't the number of survivors, it is the fact that they have chosen to make those survivors the protagonists of major tv series and video games, meaning they can't really kill them off. That said, Kanan was a good example of how Disney can do this correctly. The idea should be that only a VERY small handfull actually survive to the post-endor era.
@delta2372
Жыл бұрын
Hell some Jedi didn't even trust the clones and didn't command clones and instead took command of the judicial forces or in kota from the force unleashed case, trained his own men to fight the war
@dony2852
Жыл бұрын
Bringing out a survivor used to be like seeing a unicorn. In the old EU, they brought a few out, all of whom were either broken in some way or not fully trained. Most would then be killed off in a heroic sacrifice, emphasizing how special Luke and Leia were. You never got too much background on them, adding to the mystery of the Jedi. With Disney, that just isn't there.
@karethrihker1829
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I liked how then they were all weak, broken or untrained
@dony2852
Жыл бұрын
@@karethrihker1829 It really did emphasize how much of a struggle Luke had rebuilding the Jedi. All that were left were half insane ancient hermits, a cyborg that had less meat parts than Vader, middle aged jedi apprentices that was brainwashed and fallen to the dark side, etc. With how Disney is going about it, Luke literally doesn't need to exist for a new order to rise again.
@TWD77710
Жыл бұрын
@@dony2852 he does need to exist because he is the only one capable of bringing Vader to the light lmao. Not even ahsoka was able to yall saw in rebels lmao so yep no Luke means Sidious remains and no Jedi order lmao
@laisphinto6372
Жыл бұрын
ahsoka shouldnt survive the OT and only luke can being down vader is bullshit excuse since if it was the case where the hell was she in the OT? they have Ahsoka massively link to the rebellion aka the rebels should know about them and probably had to link the jedi up especially between Episode 4 to 5 where luke searched for guidance. the surviving jedi become a Problem when they are jedi who fight for the rebel alliance and have all the moral codes in check and basically can restart the order. in the Expanded Universe the jedi were hermits, survivors, went insane ,went to dark side and hid and any who attempt to go against the empire was destroyed by the empire and the vast majority had no links to the rebel alliance and if they were they died quite fast
@dony2852
Жыл бұрын
@@TWD77710 Without Luke there is still Leia. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney did a reboot of the OT that Luke would get marginalized in favor of her. That said, with all these new survivors, it doesn't take much for a new Jedi order to pop back up under Imperial rule. It would just be forced underground the way rule of two Sith were.
@matthewk4912
Жыл бұрын
Not only that, but the Chosen One prophecy; Anakin bringing balance to the Force at the end of Return of the Jedi. George said Anakin was the Chosen One, and even in TLJ, Luke says there was balance for many years until Ben. Now we're having Thrawn use an entire army and Force-wielders with lightsabers, and somehow the New Republic is supposed to not notice so that it can lead up to The Force Awakens.
@dannyhuskerjay
Жыл бұрын
Well there were sith around during legends as well
@TWD77710
Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. Thrawn and the Imperial Remnant will be defeated lmao because the Empire never came back in canon lol theres still over 20 years before force awakens in the ahsoka timeline. So it's more like there will be a war between the New Republic and Imperial Remnant in which Thrawn loses. Filoni himself said that's the plan
@RoaryUK
Жыл бұрын
@@TWD77710 Wrong! The Empire DID come back according to Disney canon, not just the EU. They were defeated by the New Republic at the Battle of Jakku, returning just one year after the events of ROTJ, and this is why TFA's opening crawl states how the First Order "has risen from the Ashes of the Empire". In other words the Empire was actually beaten twice, but the second time was fatal, as confirmed by a number of books written by Chuck Wendig known as The Aftermath Trilogy.
@jamesw1425
Жыл бұрын
@@RoaryUK nope actually what you’ve said is wrong, you claim that the empire rose again and then had the battle of jakku when actually the empire in Disney canon was never fully gone at Endor and only fully broke after jakku
@olympicnut
Жыл бұрын
There is no way Order 66 would have wiped out 100% of the Jedi. It sounds like it was about 99.98% (Assuming 100 survivors of 10,000) effective and that is an amazing figure.
@ThreadBareHope1234
Жыл бұрын
That is true. Plus many of those survivor's turned or died. So if their are still under 50 survivors and they have enough variety in their Survivor stories, like them being somewhere besides Coruscant, or go a unique direction with there stories after their escape, I'm alright with there being a few more.
@347Jimmy
Жыл бұрын
99.98% wiped out from 10,000 leaves 2, not 100 1% of 10,000 is 100
@Jaws1375
Жыл бұрын
"There is another... and another one, and another one, and another one..." -DJ Yodaled
@thebrannoncannon6565
Жыл бұрын
I like that there are Jedi who survived Order 66. It doesn’t really diminish it for me because it opens up a lot of story potential. A lot of Jedi during this time are hiding because they know it’s a hopeless fight. The fear of being discovered by Vader and trauma from surviving makes them unbalanced and prime inquisitor material. Cal is a great example. In Survivor’s story, every small victory he obtains comes at a great cost, and the Empire is barely affected by it. No matter how hard they push, the Empire remains unchanged and it’s reach continue to grow. I expected Baylin to be a survivor. I’m really interested in what made him go down a darker path. The Jedi who fell to the dark side during this time turn out to be really cool characters. Like how Taron Malicos believed he could create a better order, neither Sith or Jedi on Dathomir. Even though he was obviously using Sith principles of dominating and obtaining power.
@paulzan2246
Жыл бұрын
I think that order 66 survivors are fine, but the vast majority of them should be dead by the start of the Original Trilogy. Their deaths would show the power of Darth Vader, the Inquisitors, and the Empire, and show why Luke really was their last hope.
@kwisatzhaderach88
Жыл бұрын
luke was their last hope because of his family, not his power
@tvvistedv3nom26
Жыл бұрын
@@kwisatzhaderach88 Well it was kind of both. Because the jedi knew he’d be the only one to become powerful enough to defeat Vader and the emperor
@DerricsRevenge
Жыл бұрын
@@kwisatzhaderach88 that is absolutely NOT the case. He had that power BECAUSE of his family.
@kwisatzhaderach88
Жыл бұрын
@@DerricsRevenge did you miss the part were palpatine won and was BBQing Luke?
@DerricsRevenge
Жыл бұрын
@@kwisatzhaderach88 did you miss the part where the only reason why palps was interested in Luke one way or another was because of his latent power and potential?
@ThreeFoldPath
Жыл бұрын
I think that what we have seen with Ashoka and how they keep stating in universe that neither she nor the Jedi Order saw her as a Jedi, means that the word Jedi implies more than just a user of the light side. They are instead someone who is part of the Jedi Order and who follows their rules and teachings; from that point of view then Luke could well be seen as the last Jedi as most other "jedi" who survived are off doing their own thing or following their own path.
@Seeker_Blade
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I wouldn’t count Cal until his story is complete. I could see him end up dead, or being an inquisitor by the end of the story
@thorskywalker
Жыл бұрын
He's still a survivor of Order 66 though.
@ThreadBareHope1234
Жыл бұрын
I too don't count those that turn or die as jedi. But I was actually hoping Cal's story would be a self improvement and taming the darkness within to better fight the darkness without story that the fans want or don't know they need. But my hope will probably be in vain... again.😆😆
@oweeenie1754
Жыл бұрын
I think the point is that Luke is called “the last of the jedi” because he’s the only one left who is willing to take up that title with true meaning. there are other force users out there, but they aren’t sworn to that title and/or they have given up on the hope that a jedi needs to have. i think it’s meant as, “the last of the believers”. because even anakin could’ve turned back to good, and regained the status of jedi, but the whole point of the OT was that he had fallen so far, he no longer ‘believed’ in the light.
@hawkeye0378
Жыл бұрын
There are maybe 4-6 Jedi that we know of that are still alive by the start of A New Hope besides Obi-Wan and Yoda. Ezra is in the unknown regions, Ahsoka proclaims to no longer be a Jedi and is either stuck on Malachor or on some sort of force journey, grogu is still a baby, there’s this guy in the Ahsoka series who has renounced the ways of the Jedi, and we don’t know whether Cal or Gungi are still alive. It still makes sense for Luke to be considered the last of the Jedi after Yoda’s death and it’s honestly pretty remarkable that the empire did such a good job of killing 99.9% of the order since the galaxy is so big. Plus there were more Survivors in pre Disney canon. In the force unleashed alone, which takes place a little before ANH, there were 4 of them including a Jedi council member.
@vestarakhai5303
Жыл бұрын
First off Ezra wasn't an Order 66 survivor he was just a force sensitive youth found by Kanan and trained up
@andersonn330
Жыл бұрын
was literally born after order 66 lmao
@JoRoq1
Жыл бұрын
Correct, but that's being overly nitpicky on the question. Kanan was the one who survived O66, but Ezra is alive during ROTJ and had contact with Yoda during Rebels. Yoda had all but acknowledged Ezra as a full Jedi Knight, so he is still applicable to the question about Yoda's statement to Luke.
@darth_yoda
Жыл бұрын
@@JoRoq1 During Return of the Jedi is presumed dead after having dealt with Thrawn and being taken along with the purgils and the Chimera.
@JoRoq1
Жыл бұрын
@@darth_yoda I presume you mean Return of the Jedi? At the end of the Rebellion, Ezra would have been officially considered either Missing In Action or Missing Presumed Dead, but we know Ahsoka still knew Ezra was alive (and Sabine, though she is not Force-sensitive as far as has been established) beyond just a question of hope. Yoda had made a connection with each of Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra during the events of Rebels. It has been shown that Jedi can sense the injury or death of someone connected or significant to them, even from another star system, as well as mass events. So while Yoda likely did not have specific knowledge of their whereabouts and activities, it is plausible that he could have a general sense of whether they were still alive.
@thorskywalker
Жыл бұрын
Didn't say he was a survivor of Order 66, he's a Jedi (albeit Padawan) alive during the Original Trilogy. There were two different questions at play here.
@vetarlittorf1807
Жыл бұрын
Hey, Thor. I have been wondering. What if the prequels had been made in 1987, 1990 and 1993 as originally planned?
@jedipsy
Жыл бұрын
The simple answer to this question is: they wouldn't have. George has said that he was waiting for the technology to get sufficiently advanced to allow him to achieve his vision. I guess you could say that the prequels would be mostly the same, albeit with less polished VFX.
@lookingforwookiecopilot
Жыл бұрын
George should have made the sequels back then.
@Sir-Raph
Жыл бұрын
Lucas waited a full decade because the technology needed to realise his vision did not yet exist. He invested heavily into ILM's R&D projects, revolutionising the VFX industry many times over in the process. I know it's trendy to criticise the prequels' use of CGI, but they pioneered the tech. It's easy to be critical with the retrospective benefit of learning from their mistakes & achievements. They had no such luxury of course, being the ones to take risks with novel technology. Prequels made in '87-'93 would likely have had all of the *_story cringe_* with none of the *_visual flair._* I'd be more curious to know how they might have turned out if he'd kept using directors and screenwriters (as with Empire & ROTJ) rather than doing it all by himself.
@vetarlittorf1807
Жыл бұрын
@@Sir-Raph Nope. The original plan was 1987-1993. But that changed when Lucas went through a divorce.
@lookingforwookiecopilot
Жыл бұрын
@@Sir-Raph Prequel cgi looks great (in the background) its when the entire clone army is cgi that is too much.
@Shadow05eth
Жыл бұрын
I don't think that it cheapens order 66 but I do think it cheapens the rebellions victory against the empire and Luke's task of rebuilding the Jedi order.
@xavierleggett4117
Жыл бұрын
Great video and great content. Yeah, when I was a kid and I saw 'Return' . . . decades ago, I always thought that Yoda had to be mistaken. There's just no way, I remember thinking. The galaxy's just too big and there must be a dozen or so jedi out there going about their lives, doing their own thing. Anyway, good content and thanks for sharing your observations.
@f1jones544
Жыл бұрын
Best then we didn't know how many there were to start. It was totally plausible.
@MC-810
Жыл бұрын
I always thought there were not a whole lot of Jedi to begin with based on Han Solo’s lines in Episode IV. Han Solo was a very experienced pilot who had been all around the galaxy he thought it was a hokey religion. In essence, a bunch of bullshit.
@Hanoua2
Жыл бұрын
I agree, I dont have a problem with surviving jedi, it makes sense and its a cool era where they have to pretend to be normal everyday civilian and you have inquisitors hunting them down. The problem is with the execution of some of those story (looking at you Obi-Wan)
@ertymexx
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that show really made Vader look like a loser and a chum.
@Mpiewizard
Жыл бұрын
Ever since I saw Revenge of the Sith in theaters when I was a kid, I’ve always been absolutely fine with the idea that some Jedi survived the attack. It made sense to me back then and it still makes sense to me now and to give Disney a semblance of credit, it does make sense to me that many of the survivors would have been padawans at the time considering their masters most likely would’ve tried to take the brunt of the attack. Kenobi basically confirms this in New Hope (with nowadays context of course) and says Vader helped the Empire hunt down and destroy them, meaning it’s not implausible that many Jedi survived and were slowly taken out over the next 20 years. Jedi survivors (lol) have the potential to be extremely interesting characters considering how many different ways you can take them. It’s the very reason Cal Kestis is easily my favorite character of the Disney Star Wars era. That being said, it is kind of turning into the protagonist with the child-sidekick type thing now. Meaning it’s becoming an overused trope in Star Wars to have a Jedi who survived Order 66 in the story. I find this all a bit funny though because I do remember when people used to complain that the Jedi were taken out too easily and now having actual survivors of Order 66 is too easy (but yes, as a trope, it’s becoming a bit tired).
@alistairgrey5089
Жыл бұрын
The way I've always seen it is that at the start of episode 1 there were 10,000 Jedi. A bunch were killed during the battle of Geonosis, and who knows how many were killed in the Clone Wars themselves. Combine that with order 66 and it's not too far fetched to think that most of the Jedi, say around 80% were dead by the end of RotS. That would still leave 2,000 Jedi to be hunted down, turned to the dark side, leaving the Jedi wars behind, and/or surviving until the OT. For there to be only a handful left during RotJ makes sense. It also makes sense that Yoda wouldn't have known of any of the survivors except Obi-Wan since they were all likely in hiding or otherwise hidden from Yoda's perceptions. I think, so long as they don't go overboard, having surviving members of the Jedi order makes perfect sense in how everything went down. There obviously can't be that many but the small handful that we've seen or heard of is completely understandable.
@ertymexx
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see stories or shows where Jedi are actually killed. By Vader, preferrably (I am no fan of the inquisitors). Maybe even a show about the purge, where Vader has to hunt down and destroy those who try to help Jedi and other force sensitives escape the empire's grasp. And of course, catching up and destroying jedi as individuals or even enclaves. Make Vader Scary Again, sort of. ;-)
@alistairgrey5089
Жыл бұрын
@@ertymexx so you want to see the Vader that was portrayed in Rogue One but an entire series of that? I'm okay with that so long as Kathleen Kennedy doesn't have her hands in it.
@ertymexx
Жыл бұрын
@@alistairgrey5089 same. She is sadly not a good influence, it seems. :-(
@ThreadBareHope1234
Жыл бұрын
Hey Thor, I really like your content and the unique view you have. You dissecting and even defending the lessons of Star Wars, and answering to miscommunication actually helped me reexamine my rigid and critical opinions. There are plenty of other creators to affirm the cynics in us. Your videos, such as those on Kanan and Aayla, have been much needed variety in the fan base. Don’t be afraid to have people disagree with you, even me. I think your work is substantial. May the Force be with you.
@justchyll2009
Жыл бұрын
I never thought it lost its impact because a few Jedi survived, but I don’t think the writing that Disney has poorly devoloped at times has helped, because in legends comics there were a lot of Jedi, who became soldiers, Sith Lords, or bounty hunters etc, personally, when it was handled like a bunch of leaves scattered to the corners of the universe, it felt realistic
@admiralseabass8993
Жыл бұрын
Since Disney already neutered the impact of Luke being "the last of the Jedi," I guess it doesn't really matter in Disney canon how many Jedi survived order 66 and are still around post Return of the Jedi.
@ClearlyNeo
Жыл бұрын
I like the analogy you used! Also the idea of an ex Jedi becoming a bounty Hunter sounds dope(not like Ventress lol) ((then I realize that’s basically Bode))
@dannyhuskerjay
Жыл бұрын
There were also Jedi from the republic who survived to join Luke’s order
@oliveragag8576
Жыл бұрын
@@dannyhuskerjay K'khruk even survived past Luke and became grand master.
@diondorsey3376
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, I believe that the Jedi who keep surviving Order 66 who were in the temple itself takes away from Anakin/Vader. Like Reva surviving when none of her fellow students didn’t… Lucky. Grogu getting smuggled out when the 501st was killing everyone including children… Lucky. Order 66 on Coruscant should have stayed ground zero at least.
@ridensroom6957
Жыл бұрын
Definitely. As much as I've grown to hate the book Order 66, I loved that the planet was put on lockdown, people's bags were checked for sabers and there was no escape.
@f1jones544
Жыл бұрын
All of that is retcon.
@strikeflyer
Жыл бұрын
I feel like Yoda didn't know that there were other Jedi out there that survived Order 66. And I hate the idea of only Obiwan and Yoda being the only survivors after Order 66, it never made sense to me as a kid and after reading plenty of EU books in middle and highschool. I like to think 300 survived the initial order and by the time of episode 4. Only half were left standing more than likely hunted by Vader like in the Dark lord of the Sith book by James Luceno and plenty of comics. Plus I'm a sucker for stories of Jedi surviving Order 66 in between Episode 3 and 4 for the EU and I'm guilty of writing a story about one such case.
@JoRoq1
Жыл бұрын
Rebels showed us that at minimum Yoda was directly aware of Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra. He may not have known specifically where they were and what they were doing during ROTJ, but his attunement to the Force and the connection he made to them would make it plausible that he could be generally aware if they were still alive.
@sanderspijkers2495
Жыл бұрын
I understand you beïng a sucker for jedi surviving. You want jedi in your story because they are cool, and there is no real star wars without lightsabers. But it does make Vader look incompetent for not hunting them all down, it makes Obi-wan and Joda wrong, and it makes Luke unnessesairy if asoka can restart the jedi order with any survivors.
@strikeflyer
Жыл бұрын
@@sanderspijkers2495 I view it not as Vader being incompetent. I view it as him just being extremely busy since he not only goes killing Jedi. But he's leading the 501st by quelling insurrections, going to planetary officials and engaging in "diplomacy" and what not.
@Lord-Emperor-Vader
Жыл бұрын
Yoda is not omniscient and Luke was the only Jedi Yoda knew was alive and still active. Luke said something similar in Thrawn trilogy when trying to figure out if Jorus C'baoth could have survived although he was wrong about C'baoth in that instance but is right that Yoda does not know everything. Plus of the survivors none of them stood a chance against beating Vader let alone Palpatine. Luke only did it because Vader was his father and held back until he was redeemed.
@JoRoq1
Жыл бұрын
Rebels showed us that at minimum Yoda was directly aware of Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra. He may not have known specifically where they were and what they were doing during ROTJ, but his attunement to the Force and the connection he made to them would make it plausible that he could be generally aware if they were still alive.
@Lord-Emperor-Vader
Жыл бұрын
@@JoRoq1 The fact that he didn't have contact with them and the fact that Kanan died and Ahsoka and Ezra were presumed dead and in hiding there is no way for Yoda to know any of them were alive.
@JoRoq1
Жыл бұрын
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader We’ve been shown that Jedi can have a general awareness of a person who is significant or connected to them. They can sense when something significantly bad is happening, especially death. So to say there is “no way” for him to know they were alive or dead is to ignore a demonstrated fact within the lore. For example, Yoda showed no surprise when Obi-Wan spoke to him in ESB. We can thus infer that he was already aware of Obi-wan’s death without ever having any material contact with anyone who knew. It is on this foundation that it is plausible for Yoda to be similarly aware of Ahsoka and Ezra still being alive.
@PsychedelicDude
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! It makes sense that there are so many survivors. As for it being more dramatic if Luke was the last Jedi, sure, but i think it is more interesting that Luke can interact with survivors of the old order
@fdsajfldaskjf
Жыл бұрын
There are so many attempted genocides throughout history where the affected party has a pocket of survivors. It isn't unreasonable to assume that, of the 20,000 or so Jedi around during the prequel era, a handful survived. And that's exactly what both canon and Legends say. A *handful* survived. And 20,000 is a pretty big number so a handful of 20,000 could be a couple hundred survivors. And that's not counting the force sensitives across the galaxy that weren't even documented or trained by the Order. I always took Luke being the "last of the Jedi" as just a flat out lie by Yoda anyway. Something to make him feel that things were more dire when he went to go confront the Emperor. Also I think that it partially was Yoda telling him that he was the last of the "true Jedi" or the last one who hadn't rejected the Order as many surviving Jedi had likely either fallen to the dark side or had been tainted by it during the reign of the Empire.
@tinybee7780
Жыл бұрын
I love the explanation that Order 66 was more of a symbolic way of the Sith finally overthrowing the Jedi after so many years hiding in the shadows. As has been mentioned, logistically speaking, it just makes sense that there will be Jedi who are nowhere near any Clones during that time, either doing undercover work, or being in fringe places that both the republic and the empire may not have enough power to exercise their authority.
@f1jones544
Жыл бұрын
The Empire destroyed entire planets, starting with the Rebellion's government. They weren't into symbolism, they were into complete eradication of anyone who opposed them.
@scottmacadam6599
Жыл бұрын
But it doesnt mean tbey weren't swiftly hunted down in the days after. Many didnt even know what was happening till the temple beacon was changed.
@Jedi_Hush
Жыл бұрын
I look at it like this. How many Jedi were hanging out with clonetroopers when order 66 was implemented? I'm sure alot of them were out doing their own thing solo or just with their master/apprentice.I could see alot of them going underground once they found out about order 66.I could see dozens of them in hiding. Makes for an exciting universe.
@johannesseyfried7933
Жыл бұрын
Hell, there were even Jedi who never actively participated in the Wars, like the AgriCorps. Sadly, those were the groups of Jedi who died the easiest, because they were so far away from the war, the attack of the clones took them by surprise.
@Ava6581
Жыл бұрын
I’m fine with other Jedi being alive at the same time as Luke. Since Lucasfilm destroyed Luke I’d prefer the Jedi Order be carried on by literally anyone other than Rey.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂👎👎. They should have respected Lucas and his vision
@fdsajfldaskjf
Жыл бұрын
Dude it's not gonna happen they're gonna make her the new grandmaster. Just accept it at this point. No amount of boycotting and activism is gonna change things anymore.
@Hanoua2
Жыл бұрын
Maybe Cal Kestis will have his own academy on his little planet at the end of Jedi Survivor
@stevenwoods8463
Жыл бұрын
I think part of what Yoda was saying was there would be no hope for a new Jedi Order without Luke, especially if he was turned to the dark side. Yoda would know other jedi survived, yet he only waited to train one that would represent the future and also was so intimately connected to the Chosen One.
@ThreadBareHope1234
Жыл бұрын
That's a good point. Luke was their last hope. Plus, I would say sense many of the survivor's were killed, turned, or not really making there presence known, he might not know if there were anymore. Someone mentioned he isn't exactly all knowing. As long as Disney keeps the jedi count pretty low by Return of the Jedi, I think it's alright.
@toegrit
Жыл бұрын
I'm not really all that upset about the number of survivors so far. In hindsight, it would make less sense if Yoda and Obi-Wan were really the ONLY survivors. I take Yoda's line in ROTJ to be referring to Jedi in the traditional sense of being trained and following the Order.
@scottmacadam6599
Жыл бұрын
I agree in a sense. Being that yoda was the grandmaster he was still head of the broken order. The only functioning line of communication would've been between himself and obiwan. The fact is that luke was the last official memener of the jedi ORDER. Survivors may have still held to the jedi code. But to them the jedi were essentially gone as an organization.
@captaindc3889
Жыл бұрын
Less than 100 Jedi survivors out of 10,000 Jedi Knights- (Some Clones may have been unlucky or unavailable)
@grimlockprime1972
Жыл бұрын
I think George Lucas once said that he expected a lot of Jedi managed to escape the purge, hung up their robes and lightsabers and tried to just live a normal life without catching the Empire's attention. If they cut their attachment to the Force the way Obi-Wan did in the series, I would think that would make them difficult if not impossible to find with an entire galaxy to hide in. Also, I don't think Obi-Wan and Yoda would have left that warning beacon at the Jedi Temple if they thought they were two of only a handful of Jedi who survived the initial purge. I don't think even Vader and Palpatine believed they could eliminate every Jedi from the galaxy, but if they could keep them scared and in hiding, that would be just as good.
@Amphibax
Жыл бұрын
We should not forget after Order 66 the Jedi lost nearly all official support and it wouldn't be surprising if many of them have given up on the Jedi way and just decided to live a peaceful live some where in the outer rim not drawing any attention to them. Pretty likely they heard some information about Vader, the hunting down of the remaining Jedi and that the Order is more or less dead so just try to life a normal life and leave all the war behind.
@laisphinto6372
Жыл бұрын
this is why the disney approach feels like they disregard 66. nearly all jedi survivors basically act like jedis with no struggle for their faith and are way too willing to save the Galaxy, ignoring the fact that it isnt just palpatine evil scheme but the entire galaxy hates the jedi because they made a Galactic war and attempt to assasinate the supreme chancellor. the writers and fans should really look way more into how people in the Star wars Galaxy see the jedi to realize they probably wouldnt be that willing to help after the galaxy basically betrayed them and hunts them down
@Kowkarot
Жыл бұрын
I think Order 66's effectiveness was pretty unrealistic even before all the Disney era started to expand SW. Now it just became more apparent, because they keep introducing more Force users, and the Inquisitors never looked competent enough to serve as an explanation as to what happened to all the survivors. Yoda's message always felt like it was a huge issue for Order 66. But for me, what Yoda tells Luke, is that he's the last REAL Jedi, as in, he's the only one left fighting for the Rebellion, which is definitely something a real Jedi would do. At that point, every other Force user is either in hiding, missing, or not being a proper Jedi. Luke is the only one left who's still fighting for the right cause, and trying to bring balance to the Force and peace to the galaxy, like a true Jedi would. If they were to introduce another Jedi survivor fighting with the Rebellion during that same era, now that would be a huge fuck up, and there would be no way to re-interpret Yoda's message anymore.
@DefecTec
Жыл бұрын
I like to think around 10 survived till when Luke became a Jedi, and they’re just normal citizens who hid, maybe a couple have kids and Luke invited them all into his new Jedi order
@iheanyihemeson5420
Жыл бұрын
Also I agree with you I think that yoda may have also said it because the others may have disconnected from the order due to Order 66 we see in the comics that many of them put the jedi order behind them revoking their status of a jedi to themselves. Also we know that when vader met luke he kinda forgot about everything else and was just focused on him
@hellstrom4209
Жыл бұрын
1. There were 10000 jedi before the purge. Killing ALL of them in a large galaxy, even with an empire, is next to impossible. 2. If Yoda and Obi-Wan were the only survivors of the purge like the movies on their own implied, then they wasted their time to fight clones in the jedi temple to shut off the beacon luring the survivors back. And it was just a plot device for Obi-Wan to find out about Anakin's turn. 3. Yoda saying Luke is the last of the jedi shouldn't mean Yoda knows ALL the jedi are dead. He spent the entire empire's reign in exile. He couldn't know every survivor besides ones that he saw through the force like Ezra and Ahsoka. Plus, he couldn't tell the Chancellor he worked with for a decade was a sith plotting against him, so Yoda is not all knowing. 4. Legends had some survivors join Luke's new order. So Legends proved Yoda wrong anyway.
@abthedragon4921
Жыл бұрын
In response to the question, I would say no. I mean sure, I can understand why some people feel Order 66 is made less significant due to all the Jedi whom we've seen survive but ultimately I argue it does no such thing. Like you said, think of the scale of such an order. In Rebels, Kanan states that during the time of the Republic, there were around 10,000 Jedi knights defending the Republic. Now granted he never stated if that was before or during the Clone Wars or if he's including Jedi in training in that count but that's still a big number. Now, how many Jedi have we seen survive? If we include Jedi who preserved the ways of the order like Obi-Wan and Yoda, Force users who pursued their own path like Ahsoka (who famously stated in Rebels "I am no Jedi") and Jedi who turned to the dark side or went down darker paths like the Inquisitors, that's around only a few dozen. Then you factor in people like Luminara who survived the initial purge but was later tracked down and killed and that number lowers even further by the days of the Original Trilogy. P.S. I'm strictly sticking to Canon for this calculation. Overall, that would mean that Order 66 and the rise of the Empire resulted in at least 99.5% of the order being wiped out, and again, that's just a general estimate. And it's not just the number of people that Order 66 killed, it's the dismantling of an institution that has existed for millennia! This Order still had members who were alive but many of these members were forced to hide in the far reaches of the galaxy, unable to widely practice what they were taught without risk of being discovered and killed. They were completely cut off from their headquarters which held much of their knowledge and history. Obi-Wan famously states in his message "Do not return to the temple, that time has passed..." In fact Obi-Wan's message in general shows just how isolated any surviving Jedi who were left probably felt. They had only old messages and recordings to remind them of what at that point was basically a former life. Heck, some Jedi probably had to actively suppress the Force around them so other force users couldn't sense them. Also, like you said in the video, even with other Jedi still alive around the time of ROTJ, Yoda likely didn't know they were still alive or where they were. All in all I don't think more Jedi surviving weakens Order 66 as an event because the death toll along with what it meant for the galaxy was far too significant.
@gearedgiratina2136
Жыл бұрын
I think another thing we need to remember is that order 66 irrevocably changed what it means to be a Jedi during the rise of the empire and GCW. It used to mean being a peace keeper, changed to being a warrior whilst fighting the CIS, then to being outcasts during the collapse of the republic, to rebels and survivors during the the galactic civil war. The only ones who kept the original spirit of what it meant to be a Jedi all these years were Yoda and Obi-Wan (before the Disney show) who they then passed it on to Luke who was not tied to to the dogma of many-millennias old order like his masters.
@macwelch8599
Жыл бұрын
Disney can’t even keep up with their own canon, much less follow and respect the George Lucas canon
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
Modern Disney Star Wars SUCKS!
@macwelch8599
Жыл бұрын
@@chasehedges6775 it mostly does
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
@@macwelch8599👍
@jonathancandelario9976
Жыл бұрын
Lucas was going to have 50-100 Jedi survive and start a new order with Luke in his sequels
@achaudhari101
Жыл бұрын
@Mac Welsh You do know that Lucas planned to have more Jedi living past Order 66 right?
@darth_yoda
Жыл бұрын
Both in Canon and in Legends it is said that 66 didn't end the jedi as a whole. It toke out the majority of the Combat experienced Jedi but there were still lots of Jedi around (hence the recall beacon that Obi and Yoda have to go and change) That was also why Vader made the Inqusitors to hunt left over Jedi down. That being said suddenly having so many survivors around by the time of Return of the Jedi kinda DO kill Yoda's comment on Luke being the last. Also Ezra can't be concidered since he was trained by Kenan Post 66 and was Missing presummed dead by the time of Return of the Jedi. Also Ashoka had left the Order prior to 66 so Yoda wouldn't call her a Jedi.
@shawnwolf5961
Жыл бұрын
No. No it doesn't. Name me one Jedi that was around (confirmed) that could have done what Luke did. I'll wait.
@darth_yoda
Жыл бұрын
@@shawnwolf5961 I would love to but KZitem don't like posts that long but just Google "Jedi's known to survived the purge in Legends" And chose the FIRST suggestion it gives there you can find the FULL list of both New Canon and OLD Legends the old Legends have something like 70 names on it along.
@rajeevthundiyil746
Жыл бұрын
There's been way more surviving Jedi in legends than in canon. Like Force unleashed probably had like 5 or 6 that escaped the purge until Starkiller takes them out. So I don't find it too big of an issue but I think disney needs to learn to move away from that era and focus on other ones.
@laisphinto6372
Жыл бұрын
in the Expanded Universe most of them didnt survive before the OT happens and certainly werent that well linked to the rebellion, unlike in Disney
@laioren
Жыл бұрын
Couple of quick things to distinguish: 1) I think the distinction between "force sensitive" and "Jedi" is a very important one. And one that, even though not directly addressed in the 6 Lucas films, still exists within them, because what would you have called Anakin before he met Qui-Gon? He's definitely not a Jedi, but he's still using the Force (even the quote you use in the video is Qui-Gon talking about how Anakin uses the Force to see the future so he can pod race) and he's like... a billion midichlorians strong. And 2) You don't directly point this out, but there needs to be a distinction between "Jedi that survived the initial Order 66," (or "IO66") and "Post-Yoda Quote Jedi," or "PYQJ," if you will. These two events specify exact moments in time within the narrative of the franchise. IO66 starts the second Emperor Palpatine decrees the order up to... maybe 24 hours afterward? And PYQJ is the exact instant that Yoda says his quote up until whenever Luke would have trained the next Jedi (Leia in the Disneyverse?). I've got zero problems with any number of force sensitives running around PYQJ. As long as they never received any formal Jedi training. What makes a Jedi isn't the ability to use the Force. What makes a Jedi is the "cultural continuum." Their teachings of how and why to use the Force. The passing of the torch from one Jedi to another (like from Obi-Wan and Yoda to Luke). And as far as I understand (I haven't watched season 3 of the Mandalorian nor have I watched the Book of Boba Fett), Grogu received exactly zero Jedi training prior to PYQJ, so that's fine. He can be alive for 50 years as a baby force sensitive during the PYQJ times. No problem. As far as Jedi surviving IO66, that's also not a problem. I agree with your analysis that, though well planned by the Emperor, it was still unlikely (even if there were only 10,000 Jedi at the time, which I've heard quoted somewhere but which seems RIDICULUOUSLY small to me, but whatever) that all 10,000 would have been killed within say... 24 hours of the issuing of Order 66. So, if Disney wants to make stuff about a billion different Jedi surviving Order 66, then that's fine with me, as long as they're ALL dead by PYQJ. That's the important part. All "Jedi" (NOT "force sensitives") need to be dead (not outside of the galaxy or in a Sith temple, etc.) by the time that Yoda utters his famous quote. Because if he isn't 100% correct, then it really undermines the pathos of the entire original trilogy. Now, Disney is a corporation that's going to do whatever they can to generate dollars, so I don't give a crap what they have to say about anything. Even when it comes to the Clones Wars when Lucas was still in charge, there's a completely different "rule set" being used between it and his 6 films. So there's the Lucas canon (just the 6 movies) and then there is the extended Lucas canon (6 films + the Clone Wars), then there's the Legacy Universe (the old Extended Universe), and now there's the Disneyverse. People will like or not like whatever they do or don't. But trying to reconcile Disney Wars with actual Star Wars is already not worth the effort, and will only ever become increasingly tiresome and problematic. Now, if Disney has Ahsoka and/or Cal Kestis, etc. go out like a badass(es) in what's supposed to be like... the day before Yoda has his talk with Luke, then I'll tune in for that.
@kindadumb916
Жыл бұрын
7:38 that Yoda impression was surprisingly accurate
@dicsord-server
Жыл бұрын
Hey Thor you should do a series like Battle of the Heroes and Villains for all of the Jedi Survivors; Have They Justified Their Survival? I could see this community having lively debates around it~
@LumVaughan
Жыл бұрын
Good answer, I salute you for your reasoning on how many Jedi would have survived initially. A lot of fans don't think that way. I'm not a fan of the series Kenobi, but in it (10 years after Order 66) they mention how The Path has saved a number of Jedi and Force Sensitives, sending them into hiding, including Quinlan Vos. I always thought that a lot of Jedi just gave up their former identities and assumed 'normal' lives, much like Kanan did in the book 'A New Dawn'. I doubt Vader and the Inquisitors hunted down every last one of them by the time of Return of the Jedi. Yoda's words were not so literal as they were practical. Luke was the only Jedi not hiding or suppressing his connection to the Force. He was the only one with the right frame of mind to take on Vader and Palpatine. If he failed (or if he grew disillusioned like he did in The Last Jedi) then all hope for the Jedi order was indeed gone.
@discobroccoli198
Жыл бұрын
Did people really think Palpatine created the Inquisitorious to hunt down a hand full of Jedi? And Obi-Wan even mentions in ROTS sith that he warned all surviving Jedi to stay away from the temple
@deadlykitten1158
Жыл бұрын
this is just unfortunately what happens when all the star wars media is set in the same time period. we need a new Era of completely new characters.
@FlameMammoth
Жыл бұрын
The fact that there's this many surviving Jedi who sat on their asses for 20 years before they sent relatively untrained kid to take on not only Darth Vader, but also the most powerful Sith Lord ever who basically singlehandedly overthrew the Republic is just stupid now. The fact that there's so many Order 66 survivors basically renders Luke completely pointless. You have to mentally discard the garbage Disney Canon to enjoy the OT, because the absolute boneheaded decisions they make retroactively ruin it.
@admiralseabass8993
Жыл бұрын
I have no problem with Jedi surviving order 66. But the OT clearly, strongly, directly implied that Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and kill the remaining Jedi.
@achaudhari101
Жыл бұрын
Not every Jedi were killed before ANH.
@admiralseabass8993
Жыл бұрын
@@achaudhari101 again the OT strongly implies that they were.
@achaudhari101
Жыл бұрын
@@admiralseabass8993 At the time it did but it got expanded with some nuances that fans have come to accept.
@DarthBreezus
Жыл бұрын
If Yoda says something, i believe him!!! I always had the idea that Vader probably hunted down all remaining jedi by time ep4 came around… Where are Ahsoka and the other 100s of Jedi during the OT? The impact of the final battle in ep6 was epic because Luke, the last jedi, was able to defeat the ultimate evil and free the galaxy.
@benjaminxm2011
Жыл бұрын
Is it possible Yoda didn’t know there were any other survivors? Not sure if he ever left Dagobah.
@CloneScavengerVulpin8389
Жыл бұрын
A bunch of order 66 survivors joined luke's jedi order in legends if my memory is accurate. Also legends plo koon's niece sha koon survived order 66 initially, by escaping through a secret entrance forgotten by the order, it led to the sewers where she attempted to kill darth vader after the rise of the empire but failed. So in theory some jedi could have escaped the temple through secret passages.
@andresvictoria1863
Жыл бұрын
1:58 the idea of some Jedi surviving the initial attack is not far fetched nor does it take away from the impact of the event. It would make sense if a great majority perished since the attacks came off guard. However, pre-inquisitors era, the scattered remaining Jedi were (or should have been) hunted down by Vader and Starkiller until the only ones left were Obi-Wan and Yoda and later on Luke.
@ClearlyNeo
Жыл бұрын
The retcon of all the surviving jedi does weaken Yoda’s statement, but it only allows you to see how the purge effected all of them. Many of them spiral out of control while others are in terrible states of grief. I’m glad there are survivors
@shawnwolf5961
Жыл бұрын
How does it retcon what he said? What "Jedi" left alive is still actually a Jedi, following the Jedi way? I'll save you the trouble. Zero.
@ClearlyNeo
Жыл бұрын
It’s a retcon because Luke wasn’t the last jedi, regardless if you say the other survivors are jedi or not. They technically are
@shawnwolf5961
Жыл бұрын
@@ClearlyNeo no, TECHNICALLY, they are not. A jedi is very specifically a certain thing with certain ideologies. If you do not follow or live by those ideals and codes, you are not a Jedi, period.
@ClearlyNeo
Жыл бұрын
@@shawnwolf5961 👍🏾
@monsieurcommissaire1628
Жыл бұрын
I think the relatively small number of surviving Jedi don't change or harm the OT's story. The fact remains that Luke showed tremendous courage and trust in the Force by putting himself directly in harm's way and going into the very heart of Evil, the Emperor's throne room. He did so unarmed. The end result was the redemption of Anakin Skywalker and the destruction of the Emperor. It wasn't simply the existence of Luke as a Jedi, but his actions and his trust in the Force that made him a hero.
@SamGutermuth
Жыл бұрын
Order 66 was, well, ordered at the very end of the war, and the Jedi seemed eager to finish it for good. So, it is plausible a disproportionate amount were fighting with the clones to route the remaining separatist forces.
@lordinquisitor6233
Жыл бұрын
Order 66’s impact wasn’t necessarily the destruction of the Jedi (as much as palatine would have liked it to be) it was the total dismantling of the structure of its order and given we are talking a galaxy wide empire, it does make sense there are a quite a few survivors. We have to consider that the Jedi were already being thinned by the clone wars and so order 66 was meant to be a sorta killing blow to its central order, leaving survivors to be mopped up by the empire later
@Farhan-rk1mt
Жыл бұрын
Even if we assume 100 jedi survived order 66, out of 10000, thats still a 1% survivability rate, which is horrendous considering 9900 jedi died at the hands of their own soldiers. An interesting case that exists in legends is that of Rahm Kota, who survived order 66 by refusing to have any clones serve under him.
@DMisigoy
Жыл бұрын
I really liked this the first time I saw one, with Kanan in Rebels. He’s one of my favorite characters in the saga. But when they gave Cal Kestis pretty much the exact same backstory I shook my head a little but enjoyed it because Fallen Order is a great game. I don’t think it diminishes Order 66 so much as it is indicative of a lack of creativity at Lucasfilm right now.
@colinbaker5306
Жыл бұрын
Personally I think it is less losing it's impact because more jedi survived, as you pointed out there were several Jedi who wouldn't have been with clones/in the temple when the order was executed, more that Jedi who are with clones/in the temple are surviving, I believe every Jedi who we know how they survived was either in the temple or with clones: Ahsoka, surrounded by clones on a star destroyer Kanan, near some clones, well within range of the clones (at least in the bad batch, I don't know specifics of his older survival) Cal, surrounded by clones on a star destroyer (again) Grogu and Kelleran, in/near the temple as the order came down on them Reva, Stabbed by Vader, but still survived Those are the major characters, but even the others still fall into the same category: Taron Malicos, killed his way through his clones Jocasta Nu, while we don't know how she survived to my knowledge as the Jedi Librarian she was almost certainly in the temple Luminara Unduli, again unclear how she survived, but from what we know she was probably with her troops leading an assault Vos, while out of the way of the initial order from what I can see he was quickly found by clones and killed them to escape Cere Junda, with clones when the order dropped At this point I got tired of going through the list of survivors on Wookiepedia But I think that proves my point that the Jedi who survived were near Clones/the Temple, if most of the survivors were away from clones/the temple when the order dropped that would be way better, but as it is order 66 is starting to look incompetent, with so many Jedi getting ambushed successfully by the clones, or being pinned within the temple and yet surviving, I personally think that there should have been no survivors other than Yoda and Kenobi who were near clones/the temple, Yoda survived by being one of the most force sensitive Jedi in the order and sensing it momements before it happened while being fairly isolated in a command position, Kenobi survived by being decently far from the clones and the initial attack having him fall into a deep pit of water he could hide in before sneaking out. Pretty much every other survivor of Order 66 was in a more compromised position than they were. Also I think part of the reason Order 66 is losing it's impact is that every time we've gone to it outside of RotS it has been about the survival of a Jedi, so we aren't seeing it as the hyper extermination, but as a tense survival situation. Personally what I want to see is a show called "Order 66" an animated show, as long as they can get it where we see several Jedi in their moments leading up to Order 66, and none of them survive the show, which won't go more than 2 or 3 days past the order ever. If done correctly I feel this show could be really tense as you never know when the order will be called, only that it will be, and then they have some where the order is called in the first few minutes and the Jedi just die and then the episode is about the clones needing to continue the fight while other episodes will have the order at the very end. You could even have a secret two parter snuck in, or maybe have a Jedi survive their episode only to show up in a later episode and die in that. (this idea is basically what my ideal final season of The Clone Wars would have been, sandwiched between the Siege of Mandalore where we see Ahsoka survive it by the skin of her teeth having just watched ~10 Jedi get killed)
@laisphinto6372
Жыл бұрын
you said it perfectly
@Hadar1991
Жыл бұрын
I doubt that Yoda would even consider Ashoka, Ezra or anybody who was not trained by a Jedi Knight/Master as Jedi at that point. Yoda may be a little more old-fashioned in what he consider a Jedi is. Besides Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi were there any surviving Jedi Knights or Jedi Masters during the event of original trilogy?
@majorearl12
Жыл бұрын
Within Disney canon where they were said to have taken Yoda's line literally, it has become messy. In Legends it was metaphorical, so it made sense there were many Jedi left.
@dannybright8708
Жыл бұрын
I should point out that since Grogu was merely a youngling and Ezra a padawan, neither of them would be considered true Jedi, as implied by Vader’s line in Empire: “The Force is with you young Skywalker, but you are not a Jedi yet.”
@demondoggo2768
Жыл бұрын
Depending on how you look at it this is a good or bad thing depending on how disney handle it, even in the original lucas ' Legends ' continunity there were jedi who survived the inital order 66 purge but they all met their end at the hands of inqusitors who themselves met a grumesome fate at the hands of vader. These stories can fit into the canon but for it to remain consistant with the movies all of these stories are going to end in a blood bath.
@laisphinto6372
Жыл бұрын
also most jedi didnt have the moral codes or were text book paragon jedi. you could tell the effect the purge had on them they were broken, some went insane or went to the dark side and they didnt trust the ones who they swore to protect since the entire galaxy sold them out. also there were very few who were directly linked to the rebel alliance
@Pyrowith2os
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if we see more characterized Jedi fall during order 66 if that would help impact it again
@joshuamininger7745
Жыл бұрын
Another perspective (this was always my thought on it anyway): Yoda was absolutely correct. Luke was the last Jedi at that time. In this movie, a big point is made about the status of Jedi, and like attaining it. The Emperor tells Vader earlier in Empire “The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi”, and it’s vaders idea to try to turn him before he becomes a Jedi. Vader is usually sent to kill Jedi, turning one was a new idea. Palps liked that idea and asked, “Can it be done?” To vaders “he will join us or Die, Master.” You will notice in the conversation between Luke and Yoda when Yoda gives him a compliment, Luke says, “Then I am a Jedi!” Yoda laughs (coughs), “not yet. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be.” When Luke defeats Vader and the Emperor approaches, the emperor makes his offer for Luke to fulfill his destiny and take his Fathers place at the side of the Emperor. But Luke Smiles, throws away his lightsaber (starting a trend for later I guess) and announces “Never. I’ll never turn to the Dark Side. You failed, your highness. I Am a Jedi, like my father before me.” And the emperor accepts this as Truth. He doesn’t know how or why he could become a Jedi without a Master to make him one, but he recognizes the truth of it and he looks upset. But he says, “So be it. Jedi.” My take: I always took this whole interaction as that the Emperor had foreseen that if the Son of Skywalker became a Jedi, it would be too late to turn him and he would be a threat to them. And the realization in Luke’s eyes when he realized that he beat Vader and looks at their hands. He did to Vader what Vader did to him, took his hand. It was Justice accomplished. And that was all a Jedi needed to accomplish, Justice. So he was done. And you can see him remembering what Yoda told him, and he was now, Officially, a Jedi. Being a Jedi meant something special, and it included a Duty to the Galaxy, which Luke also was fulfilling. So what? None of the other Force Sensitives in the galaxy were Jedi any longer. Inquisitors had forsaken being Jedi. Ashoka had verbally and publicly left the Jedi order. “I am no longer a Jedi”, she said. The good folk who were previously Jedi had been forced into giving up that role, no longer functioning as Jedi, which is literally Guardian of the Galaxy according to Obi-Wan in his conversation with Luke. They had been this for over a thousand generations. But the effect of Order 66 and later, Vader, was that these people were forced to no longer function as this role. They were part of gangs, the underworld, or just working at local factories trying to live out their lives without being caught. Truly, there were no Jedi left.
@Pokane1998
Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue isn’t the amount of Jedi that survived or not.. I’m just bored that there isn’t a more diverse set of origin stories. Not every villain has to be ex Jedi order 66 survivors lol
@GreaterGrievobeast55
Жыл бұрын
My sentiments exactly. Them making every inquisitor traitor Jedi, made them even more boring than they actually are. They might've had a chance to capitalize on the knights of ren before it got revealed they were somehow even lamer. I don't even think have a single worth while victory in any story beyond the movies.
@Alresu
Жыл бұрын
I think it's important to consider: Not everyone who survived Order 66 would still be a Jedi. I mean, counting people like Grogu still would be a stretch. And there are probably many survivors who just went to exile like Obi-Wan and Yoda, but as long as they didn't really do anything grand, Yoda would not know about them. It was still Star Wars. The force wasn't Space Skype back then, it gave sometimes unclear visions over great distance but it didn't make you omniscient in the slightest.^^
@joshuamueller3206
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the trope was handled okay at first, any survivors in the comics were quickly killed off by the Inquisitorious and the Inquisitors themselves were Jedi/Jedi Padawans who fell to the dark and it sure seems none of them survived to Episode IV considering no more came after Kanan and Ezra after the 5th, 7th, and 8th died to Maul. When Kanan was knighted, we knew he had to die and so he did. It went too far with Kenobi were it was revealed there was a whole Rebel cell dedicated to helping Jedi escape, meaning they had everything they needed to restart the order, but chose not too (plot hole). I am okay with Baylen though, as long as I ignore the Kenobi stuff. A Jedi Padawan who became a bounty hunter is cool, like a dark Kanan. Ezra does not count as an order 66 survivor unless you were expecting Clone Troopers to barge in a home on some nowhere planet to kill a 2 week old baby who was maybe not even known to exist by the Galactic Republic/Empire's census bureau yet let alone that he was force sensitive. Ahsoka, Grogu, Baylen, and Ezra only advanced to the rank of Padawan so they were not really Jedi, even though we the audience would consider them as such.
@mudman619
Жыл бұрын
I've always taken Yoda as meaning that Luke would be the last of the official Jedi Order. The last to follow Yoda's Order. The last to continue the mission of the Jedi Order. Yoda considered all the others as no longer part of the Order. That's what he meant. At that point the official Jedi Order had been down to Yoda & Obi-Wan, as the last surviving Council members - therefore only those directly taught by those 2 would be considered part of the Jedi Order.
@bobbymauro3721
Жыл бұрын
Well said Thor! Order 66 was the great purge but Vader (with his inquisitors) hunted down those that survived for the most part. There was no way for Yoda to confirm the existence of any other survivors. Could he sense that there were others through the Force, absolutely. But that's not the same thing..
@mac1991seth
Жыл бұрын
I think Order 66 was devastating enough and I'd love to see more survivors. Seriously, it's a gigantic Galaxy that's supposed to have over a million planets. Those that survived either abandoned the Jedi way or even went completely Dark Side. Ahsoka proudly proclaims, multiple times "I am no Jedi". Ezra has been trained by a guy who wouldn't qualify as Jedi Knight, let alone Master. I think people are a bit too petty about the Yoda quota.
@fazbrogaming7776
Жыл бұрын
There were 10,000 Jedi during the time of the prequels 900 of them could easily survive the purge and that is still a massive loss and still keeps the very same affect if you ask me.
@Sam_T2000
Жыл бұрын
I can take Yoda’s line as meaning “the last of the Jedi will you be… there’s lots of other former Jedi, but they gave up saving the galaxy a while ago. except Ahsoka, she’s kind of a cop-out because she’s totally a Jedi, just not officially. but whatever, just don’t screw it up.”
@JoeChristian02
Жыл бұрын
Nah, I think it’s more the idea that Luke is the last of the Jedi that directly follow the order, everyone else who is around isn’t really Jedi in the classical sense, I think it’s fine lol
@admiralseabass8993
Жыл бұрын
so you think with his dying breaths Yoda said this just so the Jedi name could be carried on? That it didn't really matter?
@JoeChristian02
Жыл бұрын
@@admiralseabass8993 more or less, yeah, Yoda in the prequels was very much focused on the Jedi as an order, and seemed to discount them progressing out of fear of breaking tradition
@zacharyfett2491
Жыл бұрын
Yoda was telling Luke he was the last of the Jedi; and that’s true from a certain point of view. Plus he was sending Luke off to do something that Yoda himself was unable to accomplish 20 years earlier. A seemingly impossible task. So, he told Luke exactly what he needed to hear in order for Luke to fulfill the mission.
@ThatScootFanboy
Жыл бұрын
I been feeling this ever since Star Wars: Fallen Order. Regardless of how difficult it would be to execute with 100% accuracy, that's the horror of Order 66. The fact that the Rebublic/Empire actually managed to kill tens of thousands of people, most of whom capable warriors who can use magic, is a testament to their power. Every time they pull the 'Order 66 Survivor', I care less and less and it makes the whole operation look so ineffective.
@jacobcenter7374
Жыл бұрын
No matter how many survived, the impact is not diminished. Regardless of the number of jedi in hiding, the temple still fell, the republic became the Empire and turned on the jedi, and a vast majority of them were killed, with those who remained living on the run
@oliveragag8576
Жыл бұрын
It's also hard to lessen rhe impact of order 66 when so many jedi who became fan favorites died during it. Like Plo Koon, Aayla Secura and a lot of other jedi are still dead.
@istari0
Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't have been the first time Yoda was wrong about something. There's also the question of how much Yoda knew about what was going with light side force users in the galaxy at that time. Even if he was aware of some of the others, who exactly did he regard as a Jedi? He may well have regarded Luke as the only other Jedi, meaning a member of the Jedi Order.
@Noda971
Жыл бұрын
I mean, we are talking about the Jedi likes it's a race and not a religion. Yoda was effectively the only part of the order left in RotJ. I think it can still have impact because he's essentially saying "the spirit of the order lies in you". And that's what luke goes and does is restart the order.
@grassygnoll3345
Жыл бұрын
There's a pressure to create more jedi when you want to expand the universe of Star Wars. When the OG films were released there was no defined Order 66 and Luke was the last of the Jedi. the moment it was decided to expand from the original films there's now a need to have more "Jedi" survivors to tell other stories. This opens up the possibility of diminishing the original stakes and also punching holes in the lore. I' don't mind, as long as it's well handled.
@eRobb4
Жыл бұрын
You always discuss the most interesting Star Wars topics! I enjoy your insight. 👊
@Jeroogalo
Жыл бұрын
They're all on Tanalorr helping with Cal's New Jedi Order. There is another... Lol turns out Yoda actually said "there is another, Skywalker!"
@daviddilks7018
Жыл бұрын
i don't necessarily think it's losing it's impact but I think it's starting to reverse it's interpretation. That's pretty much how I feel about everything between the prequels and disney. Everything in the prequels is far out there, and everything in disney is mundane. I thought star wars was at a good point during "rebels." It was nice that there was a jedi or 2 out there besides obiwan and yoda for vader to look for. But now that we are in the disney era we are kind of stuck with a bunch of jedi after revenge of the sith. I would assume that there are plenty of jedi in the rey era as well. It always disappointed me that we didn't really have a jedi character in the sequel trilogy.
@tylerhone1098
Жыл бұрын
Hey Thor. I often think about what would be different if the force awakens went 30 seconds longer and ended with Luke saying something along the lines of “I was hoping you would fine me.” Something like that so that Rian didnt have COMPLETE freedom getting to work with the cliffhanger FA left off on. Thoughts on if ep 8 woulda been different (and the whole trilogy) if FA went a lilll longer?
@Landoverse
9 ай бұрын
Thanks Thor. It baffles me that Star Wars fans need this explained (i.e. that the Prequels suffer from a lot of bad-to-nonsensical story beats).
@leonrobinson2053
Жыл бұрын
The point is still valid, think about the fact that the Jedi order contained multiple different types of jedi. Some deep believers and others, less so. The point was that some would be destroyed by vader/empire, others would fall to the darkside. Others would disappear like Obi Wan and others would lead their own sects. Coruscant wasn't the only location for a temple either, it was just the HQ. There most have been at least 10,000 or more jedi as they were Generals and Lt General of an army above a two million or more close troopers
@DogFiles
Жыл бұрын
Maybe Luke is the only Jedi trying to keep the Order alive?
@TheChabowski
Жыл бұрын
That's something people seem to overlook when discussing "the Jedi". The Jedi are a specific monastic order. Being the last surviving Jedi doesn't mean you're the last light-side force user, and being a force user who can fight, even using a lightsaber, doesn't make you a Jedi or a Sith. Not everything would fit within that ideological clash, or within either of those groups. If he was the last of the space vegans, it doesn't mean there's nobody else who eats vegetables.
@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t
Жыл бұрын
What it boils down to is that the main Jedi of the movies probably aren't representative of the Jedi as a whole. I mean, Dooku was about 80 when he died, but he had a body doub... I mean, that doesn't mean that every 80 year old human Jedi remains that capable. How many would break their hip trying all that force-assisted ninja-flip shit? So a fair number migt well not have had another 20 years in the tank after RotS anyway. A lot of Jedi who weren't around clone troopers when Order 66 was issued (and I can't believe Palpatine did every one personally, that's just dumb) might well not have been there because they just weren't suited to leading troops in battle. And there's probably a lot like the guy the Inquisitors get in the first episode of Kenobi; they just can't help themselves and lay low, for some reason, they're drawn to Tatooine, or another planet that was in the movies or Clone Wars show or whatever, and doing good deeds. And they're not powerful or skilled enough to survive when they are rumbled.
@hermittmog8697
Жыл бұрын
I think the existence of the inquisitors makes it clear they weren't all killed in a single moment, though most of them should have been.
@KMort
Жыл бұрын
I think it is actually fascinating that so many of the Jedi that survived became Sith essentially. Because the Jedi DID fall, just not 100% died. That being said, at this point, I will let out a gasp of shock if there is any nuance to anything Disney puts out, Filoni or not. I hope you make a video proving me wrong so I might watch it😂
@RomanHistoryFan476AD
Жыл бұрын
I think the problem is not that so many survived Order 66, but so many still survived till A New Hope and even past Return of the Jedi is the problem. Add in the amount of Post Order 66 Jedi we meet in the other works. The whole idea of Order 66 and the competence of the longer Jedi purge by Vader and Palpatine in debate. It's get cliché now with how many 66 survivors we are encountering, it makes Vader look incompetent.
@equitesloricatus6035
Жыл бұрын
So, I’m not nearly at the level of SW with my own universe, but I’ll say this. The entertainment industry (I’m an author) is extremely interconnected with its customer base. That in mind, it’s not at all surprising that dozens of Jedi, a second empire of Star destroyers with Death Star cannons, and the emperor returning from the dead are part of this universe. The people that make these stories (I know a former SW writer and my grad school program has another one as a keynote speaker for this summer) are doing what corporate says. Because corporate lays out their universe Bible and style guide, which determines what can and can’t be done. Here’s the thing, though, corporate *is not bound by their universe Bible.* that is just a tool they use to coral their creative staff. So, because most Star Wars fans like Jedi, and they like the OT period, lucasfilm will just keep making new characters and stories until people stop watching or reading about them. The idea that cannon is even remotely sacred in the board room needs to go away. Because it isn’t creative staff or hardcore fans running the show. It’s people who got their business degrees and know how to speak the Disney executive language. In short, none of this matters to Disney, and they’ll write whatever they want if people keep participating. Don’t expect that to change because it’s been 10 years since this started. Edit: Disney doesn’t care about fans, either. They’re looking for the widest consumer base possible, so the community can keep hating what they’re doing. It’ll never change.
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