You ask Persona if it's homophobic and it says it's gay and avoids answering the question.
@edwardgamerx9061
12 күн бұрын
Yukari...
@SpectralT23
14 күн бұрын
Absolutely, next question!
@JesseColton
13 күн бұрын
I came here to say exactly this 😂
@Toads23
10 күн бұрын
Kanji, no question.
@TheFakeMakotoYuki
10 күн бұрын
Smash next question
@TheFakeMakotoYuki
10 күн бұрын
Especially my goat ryoji (just incase this a joke)
@CereDulce37
6 күн бұрын
*not
@andreoquinn6349
13 күн бұрын
this is SUCH a nuanced, considerate and well-researched analysis -- as a queer persona fan i've definitely had similar musings and this was such a great summary of many of these thoughts. definitely hoping that persona 6 has even a *crumb* of canon queer representation but at this point hope is all that i can have lol
@garfieldkermit
12 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@teeth227
10 күн бұрын
the ShuAke deniers obviously have never heard of toxic yaoi
@supremeoverlord0
7 күн бұрын
Never understood the recent obsession with ships/romances having to be healthy. They DO realize that literature and drama as a whole has been founded upon years and years of tragic romance, right?
@teeth227
7 күн бұрын
@@supremeoverlord0 youre so correct!!! also fictional toxic romance is good bc its an outlet for expressing those kind of relationships in a way where they can just be fun and not have any irl consequences
@zukosvfx
6 күн бұрын
i dont mind toxic yaoi but shuake are clearly just friends and rivals
@teeth227
6 күн бұрын
@@zukosvfx damn u wouldnt know yaoi if it hit u in the face. next youll tell me sam and frodo are just friends
@zukosvfx
6 күн бұрын
@@teeth227 i do know yaoi and shuake feels very unnatural to me as a yaoi couple when they're clearly just rivals them being romantic would ruin the narrative just to appeal to some fans😭😭😭
@solsticehashealed
11 күн бұрын
Talking about gayness in Persona and then not mentioning Jin “I would do anything for Takaya” Shirato is a little disappointing.
@garfieldkermit
10 күн бұрын
I spent too much time on Shuake, the toxic yaoi overload would've been too much :'(
@Ga1an07
14 күн бұрын
It wasn’t really mentioned but in ryojis second(?) linked episode in p3R he mentions wanting to maybe be something more with makoto and yea in the grand scheme it really isn’t important but you can’t look at that scene and say it isn’t queer coded
@garfieldkermit
12 күн бұрын
I actually got round to mentioning it briefly in the Oversights section at the end! Still can't believe I missed it first time round since it's such an obvious thing to include!
@sleepygamer6320
9 күн бұрын
For Ryoji, it's also notable that if you complete his Linked Episodes, Makoto places his music box at the top of his bed (the only item from a Social Link/Linked Episode displayed in his room). His first Linked Episode is also automatic, and Makoto will always say that Ryoji's piano playing will stay with him forever on 3/4 because of that. These things aren't necessarily romantic out of context, but combined with Ryoji's confession (which, unlike Social Links where you can avoid girls' confessions entirely by not hitting romance flags, is impossible to avoid short of not completing his Linked Episodes) and the lines on 12/31 taken from his romance route, create an interesting separation between Makoto-as-a-self-insert and Makoto-as-a-character. The romantic Social Links are effectively for self-insert purposes, and rely on player choice. But you don't choose to put the music box there - Makoto does that himself. It reminds me of how they originally didn't want to give Aigis a Social Link (and it's not there in vanilla P3), because it wasn't really necessary. Makoto has a special relationship with both Ryoji and Aigis no matter what the player does. I think it could be argued that Ryoji occupies the same space as Aigis once did in vanilla P3 - not a romance option for the player, but one for Makoto who exists outside the self-insert aspect of the game.
@Bawktee
12 күн бұрын
we live in a society where we watch a feature length video titled “Is Persona Gay” and I love that society
@ashevale
12 күн бұрын
I think with naoto its just a bit messy because to me its naotos arc definitely was intended just to be one about sexism but, similar to what was up with kanji and even yosuke, the way they went about the dungeons and story arcs hammed the point up so hard they ended up coding them as queer anyway. Like no matter what you believe, i feel like there was better way to go about those arcs (if you didnt want coding) than "i want a new body" and "welcome to my mens only bathhouse"
@azureblooet5053
8 күн бұрын
Honestly the queerness of Persona feels like a gay art school who's faculty is homophobic, like there's a lot of gay clubs but its all in SPITE of the school not because of it and if at any time they stop fighting they'll be snuffed out
@voiceofthelegion578
13 күн бұрын
I want them to add back in yosuke's cut confession when p4 inevitably gets remaid but I think atlus would be too cowardly to go through with it.
@notthefbi7015
11 күн бұрын
No dude its completely weird when like a massive part of his social link is moving on from Saki's death.
@voiceofthelegion578
11 күн бұрын
@@notthefbi7015 I don't see what those things have to do with each other, he has the whole year to work through what he had going on with Saki.
@vernessawashington9007
8 күн бұрын
@@voiceofthelegion578bro the social link ending with you dating yosuke right after he moved on from his crush dying sounds mad weird lmao like I dont even know if there to describe how that's messed up lmao
@voiceofthelegion578
8 күн бұрын
@@vernessawashington9007 Dude it is not weird to have moved on to dating someone else a year after your crush has died. I KNEW people in real life that were able to do that and it wasn't because they didn't care about the person that died.
@vernessawashington9007
8 күн бұрын
@@voiceofthelegion578 why do you keep saying a year that's misconstruing the events yosuke doesnt naturally doesnt ever truly get over saki's death unless you do his social link and in rank 8 or seven he just broke down and got over saki's death it be weird if you just helped him through the death of his crush one rank then the next start dating him him there's no way to date yosuke in the story without it feeling predatory on yu's side without completely overhauling parts of the story
@eridanampora3024
8 күн бұрын
It is actually wild that Shin Megami Tensei dx2 has an open lesbian and hinted at a bisexual male but we can't have male love interests in persona anymore
@TheSuperrenato
4 сағат бұрын
I stopped playing the game, so can you give me their names so I can obsessively search info of them online?
@eridanampora3024
2 сағат бұрын
@@TheSuperrenato Ririn Ueda and Jeng Yun Tsai
@kirajg4970
13 күн бұрын
Hear me out - aroace Yusuke makes me very happy and it makes a lot of his dialog make a lot more sense
@asyuoli696
12 күн бұрын
He's a lonely horndog how does that make sense
@kirajg4970
12 күн бұрын
@@asyuoli696 Well things like him clearly not understanding how Ann would be worried throughout that entire painting arc is probably the easiest example. Not only does he not see the problem, but he even gets more unconfortable when she suggests that he means/wants anything other than literally painting
@sushiirolled
11 күн бұрын
glad I'm not the only one who thought about this!! he is the epitome of aesthetic attraction
@lolzu
10 күн бұрын
@asyuoli696 how is he horny bro he doesn't lust after anyone except the "hints" at Ann but that could easily be his passion being mistaken for attraction
@katl.7022
9 күн бұрын
I'm very much not aro or ace myself and even I got that vibe from him. He has a strong appreciation for aesthetic beauty but seems to have little interest in dating. (Also, some of the most openly horny people I've met have been asexual. They just aren't horny about people. It comes across to me as more of a conceptual or hypothetical horniness. I dunno if that makes any sense but that's the only way I can think of to describe it.)
@synth-wave_steve
14 күн бұрын
Something I’ve noticed is that no one really ever brings up is Naoto’s dungeon features a heavy use of tokusatsu imagery. The hidden base and operation references Kamen rider’s transformation surgery into a cyborg, and Shadow Naoto is based off of android hikaider. This adds to the idea of immaturity, as these are mostly children’s media, in Naoto’s character that is never really brought up in popular discussion. Also the shadow not fitting into the lab coat and her whole link.
@harrietr.5073
14 күн бұрын
Transman dungeon.
@starlesscitiess
13 күн бұрын
9:44 HEJDHDJHEJRJR AKECHI SLOWLY FADING IN KILLED ME
@silentpartner9957
14 күн бұрын
Bratsona 6 really got to me lol, I wasn’t expecting it. Great video btw, really covered a lot of my own complicated feelings about this series that I love so much, and also really laid out well why this fanbase has been at each others throats for so long with no sign of stopping. It’s one of the most frustrating fanbases I’ve ever been a part of, and sadly the text of these games makes that sort of unsurprising. Funny enough, the most “queer” reading of characters in this series I’ve personally really felt excited about that was not brought up in this video was the relationship between Akihiko and Shinjiro in Persona 3, ironically because it has very little basis in canon meaning there’s very little baggage that comes with thinking about them as a hypothetical couple. Pretty much everything else you brought up in this game just screams “discourse!!!” to me and makes it all frustrating and impure, but I can enjoy this idea of Aki and Shinji being in love without having to think about any of it lmao
@lianglianggoh2753
13 күн бұрын
Aren't Akihiko and Shinjiro just best friends? I don't like the idea of them in love, just two pals who got distanced.
@silentpartner9957
13 күн бұрын
@@lianglianggoh2753 Yeah, that’s kinda the point haha. They’re close friends in canon but I like the idea of them being together in a romantic sense. I feel like they have chemistry and their relationship has depth and intrigue.
@vernessawashington9007
8 күн бұрын
@@silentpartner9957I'm pretty sure they see each other more like brothers but I could see how it make sense if that was the angle they were going for
@thegaminggod4679
14 күн бұрын
So, I’m about halfway through the video, and I have a couple thoughts to share. May have more when i finish the video, dunno. 1. It should be noted that P3’s Male Protagonist (that I’ll refer to as Makoto) and Ryoji, share Japanese voice actors with Shinji and Kowaru (I think that’s how it’s spelled) from Evangelion, a pair of characters with a very similar homoerotic friendship with each other. They also play similar roles in story, more so with Ryoji and Kowaru. This is more obvious with Reload’s Makoto and Ryoji scenes. If I remember correctly but I could be wrong, someone involved with development said the choice of VAs was intentional. This puts more evidence that there is something going on with Makoto and Ryoji. 2. Amazing how discourse about P4 so easily lines up with P4’s themes
@Kriseiri
14 күн бұрын
Both Makoto and Ryoji are actually voiced by Akira Ishida, Kaworu's VA. Shinji's VA is also in P3 but she voices Ken.
@totokishi1668
14 күн бұрын
I didn't finished Reload but if I'm not mistaken in FeMC route, where Ryoji is a social link, I think he states that he loves her, no matter if she was a girl or a boy
@LonelyStar04
14 күн бұрын
Doesn't matter. Voice acting shouldn't be considered, it's not actually cannon to the story itself. It should always be in-game and never through a meta narrative, intentional or not. Still, I guess that's an interesting fact, but that isn't evidence or shouldn't be used as such.
@GlitchyPixExtra
14 күн бұрын
@@LonelyStar04 I mean, Ryoji's relationship with the male protagonist isn't a canonical thing anyways, no one was claiming that? We're discussing Persona's relationship with queer representation and queer interpretation, the latter is going to focus on aspects that lie outside of the game's canon
@LonelyStar04
14 күн бұрын
@@GlitchyPixExtra Which I do not see the value in. What's outside the game cannon doesn't matter to me, it's what's inside the game that holds my attention. And the comment I was responding to suggested that the Voice Acting choices was somehow supposed to hint something was going on between the characters. So someone was in fact claiming such. It was implied at the very least. I just didn't think that was reliable and declared that it couldn't be used as evidence. It's an interesting fact at most to me.
@Jonahjoko
13 күн бұрын
persona 5 Royal where the two main boys see each other in their perfect reality playing chess together not like parents or a girl they like but just their best friend not lover best FRIEND
@GreekJR2
12 күн бұрын
I have to pushback on “there are no differences between golden and vanilla 4” The Golden’s epilogue doubles down on the queer erasure by showing how the characters changed after the story. Kanji and Naoto are shown to have “straightened out”. The voice acting and some lines changed as well. In the vanilla PS2 game they continue to use male pronouns for Naoto even after the dungeon. In Golden they switch to more feminine pronouns for Naoto.
@notthefbi7015
11 күн бұрын
Kanji was always bisexual with a primary focus on romance (hence their one sided attraction to Naoto) and no I played the original P4 they didn't continue to use male pronouns after the dungeon. Hell Japan doesn't even have the same understanding of transgenderism the west has so your point falls completely apart.
@GreekJR2
9 күн бұрын
@@notthefbi7015 oh, a racist and a transphobe
@roomtomush
5 күн бұрын
@@notthefbi7015 ...the original translation definitely continued using masculine pronouns for naoto after the first dungeon. And while transness is a lot less commonly known in Japan, this game was made in 2008. You're ignorant if you really think Japanese people had no concept at all of trans people by the early 2000s.
@FyodorFazbear
7 күн бұрын
a few fun facts: akechis english VA is a supporter of shuake (joker x akechi) and even made exclusive merch of it, and in the p5r guidebook, one of the game directors refers to the royal trio (joker, akechi, and sumire)'s dynamic as a "love triangle" in a way implying akechi has romantic feelings for the protagonist
@Doguinn
7 күн бұрын
I hate how people literally ignore this, is literally the biggest proof that Akechi is gay lmfao
@jjjabbers
14 күн бұрын
While it did handle the subject poorly, I'm very happy that Persona 4 tackled themes of LGBTQ. It's a perfect fit for the narrative and sparked many interesting discussions. Especially for a game that came out in the L A T E THE L A T E THANKYOUFORTELLINGME GRAAAAHHH 2000's, I say that it's an impressive start to what could be...
@kougaon8513
14 күн бұрын
Late 2000's. It was 2008 or 9 I believe.
@BARALover96
14 күн бұрын
P3 came out mid 00s and P4 late 00s
@CaptainTitforce
13 күн бұрын
Where exactly?
@antidave
13 күн бұрын
Bruh the 90s had the best queer content for Japan while the 2000s suddenly were full of homophobia and transphobia
@garfieldkermit
12 күн бұрын
I get that tbh, like it's far from perfect (as I repeatedly say lmao) but I appreciate that they were at least willing to examine the themes, even if it was flawed.
@lotticello
9 күн бұрын
At least we have the canon gay Jun and the canon bisexuals Tatsuya, Kotone, Aigis, Elizabeth and MY BI KING RYOJI
@cinnosnom1039
11 күн бұрын
this video is honestly really great and nuanced. normally when people discuss these things, they let their bias get in the way, but i appreciated how you tried to see both perspectives, even with the most divisive characters like Naoto. i agree that a lot of people get way too heated about this topic, so this was a nice breath of fresh air lol I will say, I think the reason many people blame Hashino for the homophobia in persona is because of an interview he did after p3's release. when asked about why romances were required in the vanilla version, he said it was because he had never been in a relationship with a woman that wasn't romantic (aside from family memebers), which is obviously a pretty sexist view to have, so many people assume he has equally as outdated views on other topics. also, with akechi, in an interview (i believe it was from either the vanilla artbook or the royal guidebook), wada compared the relationship between akechi, joker, and sumi to a love triangle, stating that akechi only cared about joker during the third semester and could care less about sumi. he specifically said it was "like a love triangle" and laughed, so i wouldn't take this as explicit confirmation that akechi is in love with the protag, though it seems the devs were at least aware of the implications and likely played into that dynamic.
@garfieldkermit
10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Hadn't found that Hashino interview and tbh him saying that makes a lot of sense, and I actually mention the Royal interview v briefly in the Oversights section at the end, but I don't blame you for missing it since it's just after the conclusion!
@milliabea
3 күн бұрын
In Persona 6 there will be a character who will look directly at the player and say "I'm transgender," and people will still argue that they're not trans and that we don't understand Japanese culture
@mariogarciaurena1104
11 күн бұрын
Jojo is gay. Hence, Persona is gay. Thank you for your attention.
@lovelyerzy
12 күн бұрын
this isn't part of the game or anything, but the artist of the persona 1 manga drew a naoya(protag)/hidehiko doujin if that means anything
@BARALover96
14 күн бұрын
I’ll say this for me Kanji is bi or pan. I know the straight guys get their panties in a twist by saying that because they relate to him in some way so they are thinking we are calling them gay for it. I myself as a gay tween/teenager I related heave to Kanji so hard. That’s why he quickly became my favorite.
@wtfdidijustwatch1017
13 күн бұрын
Nobody gets anything in twist as far I’ve seen
@CaptainTitforce
13 күн бұрын
Because nowadays people tend to attribute everything outside of 100% traditional male as being gay. Kanji is not that. His whole arc is to understand that even though he likes some traditionally viewed hobbies that are attributed to women, it doesn't mean he's not a man. There would be nothing wrong with him being gay. But that's clearly not what the writers were thinking with Kanji here.
@antidave
13 күн бұрын
@wtfdidijustwatch1017 😭 you haven't seen the persona sub reddits that go crazy thinking anything queer of them
@BARALover96
13 күн бұрын
@@wtfdidijustwatch1017 thats bs I’ve seen people have meltdowns because of some one just implying that he could be attracted to men
@CaptainTitforce
13 күн бұрын
@@BARALover96 cuz is dumb. Men can be good friends and knit without being gay. This is the same argument as Frodo and Sam being gay. Men just can't be very good and close friends without buttfucking each other.
@nikoXsprinkles
9 күн бұрын
The Naoto conversation has always been distressing to me, because one side usually analyzes sub-texts while the other side often uses the topic as a tool to scream terf rhetoric. I personally think the continued use of masculine pronouns in the Japanese text is what sways me.
@Deadss2796
13 күн бұрын
Let's all be honest here, there's a pattern no one ever brings up when discussing the games and that, as you progress through each game, you get more social link options to romance. As if, every game has to one-up the other. To prevent every social link from being female in the next game, I can see them adding gay romances just so they can beat the amount P5 had. Atlus won't add them due to DIE or wanting proper representation or rather it's just so John P. Six can be a bigger fuck boy than Joker P5 and Yu P4. It's almost to the point where I have to wonder if it gets in the way of writing because some of the best social links are with the males from P3 (Sun) to P5 (Hanged, Sun) and that may be because they don't have to use the final 2 links for romance bait but instead just concluding the arc. But, of course, because these games have always had a certain self-insert fantasy to them, a certain group will complain if the new protag can get less babes than the last one, so they have to add more, even if that means with guys,
@babula1965
14 күн бұрын
Honestly, great video. I'm a long time Persona fan and got into the series with 4 when I was a queer kid. I saw a lot of myself in those characters and it was very refreshing to see someone both engage with the text as it is and work with its cultural context whilst not becoming excessively vitriolic and homophobic. You did an excellent job being very even handed and explored the topic in a way that had a lot of nuance while still respecting the queer and non-queer fans. I'm shock, shock, frankly to see such a level headed display of discourse. Your sarcasm was delightful as well, you really had me a few times with those transitions (no pun intended). I am very hopefull for the future of Persona and video games in general, not just for queer people but for marginalised people all over. Honestly, the bar is so comically low for Atlus that at this point if I just get a single game without a joke that makes me feel deeply uncomfortable, I will count that as a massive win.
@garfieldkermit
12 күн бұрын
Haha thank you, I'm especially glad you liked the transition gags lmao. So true on your last point though, just one game without an uncomfortable joke would be lovely!
@discodog4582
9 күн бұрын
I’m going to be honest the most experience I’ve ever had with persona was watching my buddy play through the yukiko dungeon over discord and my biggest takeaway from that was that chie and yukiko are extremely sapphic for each other
@jamjam445
12 күн бұрын
As a bisexual male, I've never been upset that I couldn't romance a male character. If the MC is written to be straight, then it seems silly to be upset that he won't seek out male characters. The only time I was ever kinda upset that I couldn't explore a relationship deeper was in 3 reload with Ryoji It's just such an interesting concept to me that it would have been neat to see it play out in full.
@critical_6164
11 күн бұрын
Ryuji in p3? ☠️
@jamjam445
11 күн бұрын
@@critical_6164oops I meant Ryoji lmao
@nilesstandish1802
10 күн бұрын
As a bisexual man, I really wanted Joker and Akechi to kiss. Like a lot.
@jamjam445
10 күн бұрын
@@nilesstandish1802 lol! You have type then :p I think that would have been an unhealthy relationship imo. But who doesn't love a bit of drama?
@TreyGarlic-mr7ut
9 күн бұрын
@@jamjam445indeed lol.
@averyaustin1
13 күн бұрын
Yes. Next question.
@stino9635
7 күн бұрын
Persona is a little bit queer but always taking one step forward, two steps back.
@AwkwardFellow
5 күн бұрын
You missed the female npc in Persona 4 + Golden who comes to realize her feelings for a girl in the library, ends up being a little obsessive due to the fog, and upon the fog lifting she accepts her love interest falling for a man instead of her. But honestly P4 is the most homophobic LGBT game they have funnily, and I love it despite it. I think that saying Kanji and Naoto are one or another alone diminishes their stories as a whole. There's dialogue in the game that implies Kanji is leaving his sexuality/romantic interest to the backburner as his want to be accepted for his interests is more important to him. Naoto on the other hand is focused more on their want to be a detective but still can't shake being uncomfortable with their body. I don't think that seeing either as LGBT takes away from the focus of their social links being gender roles and how those affect them in their daily lives. I think people who aren't allies or aren't LGBT themselves don't realize that heteronormativity affects them as well as us. Woman in the work place being treated as lesser affects men, woman, straight, gay, cis and trans people alike. Men being made fun of for their interests affects woman, men, straight, gay, cis and trans people alike. If Naoto's a trans man that doesn't change how woman are treated in the work place, treated in relationships and those feelings of wishing to be a man that Naoto has to face as a person with a female body. Kanji being gay/bi doesn't take away from the fact that men in general are made fun of for being sensitive or having certain hobbies. Anyway gotta finish the rest of this video lol
@Pluuxo
2 күн бұрын
Another thing: In the third semester of p5r, two young men talk about their wedding date being set and everything is going great. Maruki said gay rights
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Completely missed that lmao, Maruki is the woke agenda
@icecreamorc
10 күн бұрын
What I love about Kanji is that he is so well written that we CAN debate on these things. I myself and an Amab non binary person who used to be of the opinion that Kanji was explicitly queer representation. Then I sat down and replayed the game after hearing the prespective that his arc is more of a commentary on masculinity, societial expectations of being a man and being true to ones self. Honestly I have replayed the game with that mind set and having gone through my personal struggles with toxic masculinity I personally feel more strongly about his arc being about masculinity and how it can shape your prespection of yourself and your sexaulity. Not that my own personal experience and thoughts invaldate anyone else conculsions on Kanji, whats great about well done media is that every person is allowed to consume and take away what they want from it and I know a lot of folks who passionately consider Kanji very important queer representation for their own journeys through sexaulity. I hope if we get a remake they don't change a thing because to me it's important that he can continue to be a topic of discussion and analysis. A good character will have a strong impression and most people will a strong understanding of them the frist time around. A great character has complexity and nuances that can be interpreted in a lot of ways and resonate with just as many people.
@keshagriffin3375
13 күн бұрын
Wokesona era is upon us! Bask in it’s homosexual glory…..
@user-mu1os7me8s
11 күн бұрын
Persona has had queer elements ever since P2. We've always been basing in it.
@SulaMoon
23 сағат бұрын
Ah, excellent video! thank you for it
@fifageak7461
7 күн бұрын
As a straight guy who loves Persona, I can't deny the sexyness of a lot of male characters, Joker, Ryuji, Iwai, Yusuke to some degree, Akihiko, Ryoji, Makoto, Naoto, Akechi, Josuke, Zenkichi, Konoe and Shinjiro
@inu8442
14 күн бұрын
I like the Kanji dungeon, it was like living my own process to start accepting my sexuality.
@mattm6147
4 күн бұрын
looking back at it i love how casually queer person was before p3! those revelations gays are absolutely fab
@paintedpig3021
12 күн бұрын
Is water wet
@PlagueBunny
12 күн бұрын
What a fantastic video. I enjoyed it so much and I can’t wait to see more content of yours in the future!
@garfieldkermit
10 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! :)
@acehealer4212
11 күн бұрын
I watched the whole way through and enjoyed it a lot. 👍 If Persona 6 adds some same-gender romance options or just fleshed out LGBTQ+ characters and stories, I'd be real interested in checking that out. If not, then at least there are other developers putting in that work.
@garfieldkermit
10 күн бұрын
Exactly, like I'm not gonna boycott if it's missing, but it would feel like a pretty obtuse exclusion at that point yk
@nivorann
7 күн бұрын
i honestly thought that this would be a lighthearted little video but i got absolutely hooked. it is genuinely so saddening that bringing up the topic of queerness or any representation at all tends to get shot down cause this is genuinely some eye-opening stuff- people all over the world and their many different experiences are good to learn about, and from. with that being said, i really love how considerate and in-depth this video is. well done!
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Thank you! :)
@phoenixmesmer3396
8 күн бұрын
When you were talking about the queering of JRPGs, I wanted to mention something about Sylvando from Dragon Quest XI. In the Japanese version, his name is Sylvia, and he uses stereotypically-feminine pronouns. From a quick search on it, it looks like "man using feminine pronouns" is something of a gay stereotype in Japan, but considering how his story has a whole "I ran away and changed my name to be true to myself" angle, it could be said that his character was a trans woman in JP, and this was changed in EN. I...haven't played the game myself, and don't read Japanese, so I don't think I could properly argue in any direction, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
That's really interesting how differently the character is portrayed between the Japanese and English since that really didn't come across at all in the version I played, but thanks for pointing it out! :)
@matheusfuentes4188
3 күн бұрын
The persona 6 in brat style made me laugh so hard I spilled the milk all over my breakfast, I blame you.
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Sorry for ruining your breakfast it was a worthy sacrifice :)
@matheusfuentes4188
14 сағат бұрын
@@garfieldkermitIndeed it was.
@negarhythm
3 күн бұрын
unless i missed this being mentioned in detail, p2 IS has the optional scene where if you have yukino stay behind at caracol, her shadow and anna kiss and commit double suicide which effectively lobotomizes her. this is to my knowledge the only gay kiss in the series and it’s the worst of two outcomes in that scenario nevermind the fact that anna might be underage. and they still haven’t been brave enough to do that again! i have a lot of feelings on p2 rep where people glazing tatsujun meant i was shocked at the transphobic writing for those npcs (even if the intersex fortune teller lady seems to be fine). but at the same time there are people who think tatsujun being for the fujoshis makes them bad/fetishistic rep like they’re not one of the best examples of queerness in the series and the series hasn’t had the guts to do more than be coy about it since persona 3! like say i love shuake but they’re never gonna do more than queerbait with those two and it makes me mad 😭😭 Whew. with that out of the way this is a great video and it taught me a lot about the games i hadn’t played:) i had a comment that got eaten somewhere so i can only assume i posted it in the wrong place. oh well!
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
I remember hearing about the Yukino and Anna scene but tbh I didn't look into it that much so thanks for mentioning it here! And yeah I agree, pandering to fujos is slightly questionable, but if it ends up with good gay rep then it's kind of a net positive imo. Glad you enjoyed the video! :)
@katsue5874
5 күн бұрын
As someone who is Japanese the vibe I got is Atlus devs are warmly open to queer representation but don't fully know how to go about it. Given formal queer education is nonexistent and that until these recent years average LGBTQ people were largely completely invisible unless you intentionally seek out the community; the rep reads to me as attempts when your only frame of reference is stereotypes, or second hand empathizing with queer people but not enough insight into lots of queer people's actual lived experiences to flesh out the themes with better execution. But I think that's why despite stumbling into straight-cis views of gay/trans tropes many queer Persona fans can still strongly resonate emotionally, and Lala's Crossroads in P5 is a very lovely representation of an "okama bar." Ironic next to the two gay men in vanilla P5, but given how often I use to hear people say Shinjuku Nichome (Tokyo's gay district) is a very dangerous place to be avoided as recent as 2018 when I was last in Japan, I'd be pleasantly surprised if staff members had ever set foot there. Btw it's not dangerous, really it's a night life area and safe haven for gays. Just goes back to that zero education thing making gays out to be those unknown different people. My family also cautioned us never to go there lol not knowing my brother and I were secretly gay and lesbian and already frequenting Nichome. But stigma has rapidly died down and I hear wider LGBTQIA+ awareness in Japan is now a whole world of different since 2018! So just maybe there's hope in P6 yet. Fantastic video a great use of an hour and a half :) thank you
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Thank you so much, and it's really interesting to hear that perspective about Nichome, it's funny to think that a lot of the scenes there could've just been inspired by stereotypes. Glad to hear you're hopeful for P6! :)
@kingofthe_humanz8285
4 күн бұрын
p3 is gay, ryoji straight up asks you out. and as femC states he loves you no matter what form you take, implying he loves you as a dude as well as a girl, he bi aigis loves you regardless also, she bi jin is super devoted to takaya and completely idolizes him. das gay mitsuru and yukari super close and promise to stay together forever, mitsuru watches yukari on tv and is a huge fan of hers, they go on shopping dates they gay, i think they gay
@xkairouxvampirex2
Күн бұрын
I have examples of gay representation in SMT, since you said you couldn't find any. Though it's in spin offs, not mainline. In Devil Summoner Raidou Kuzunoha VS King Abaddon, Raidou is tasked with finding a girl's brother. She gives Raidou a picture of him so he can ask around town. There you can ask this woman if she has seen him. She says she hasn't but not before she asks if the man in the picture is a lover and that he would be perfect for Raidou. She lives near what I think (it's been a while since I've played the game) was some kind of red-light district where male escorts flirt with Raidou. And another instance is where a female friend walks in on an innocent situation between Raidou and his mentor, and jumps to the conclusion that the two are in a romantic relationship. She is surprised but not disgusted or anything, which is nice. There are also male demons who hit on Raidou but that's not really surprising. Female demons do the same. Humans too. Raidou is just seen as good looking by most people it seems. The game is very much not focused on romance at all, so at least it's acknowledged in the game world. But overall, most of the queer interactions are played off as a laugh or just plain crude. Which is typical of Atlus games, sadly. Another game is Devil Survivor 2. MC has flirty dialogue choices with most of the main cast, regardless of gender. Though the males usually respond negatively to it. Most of the gay jokes are played for laughs here, which is typical. While romance is just side content similar to persona, you can raise your "social link" with your companions in this game too. If you raise this particular male characters SL to max, you can pretty much set off together on a trip around the world in one of the endings. (Which is considered the best true ending.) And the game makes it no secret that he cares ONLY about MC and values his opinions very much. So much so that if you side against him in the endings he truly believed that the others brainwashed MC against him. Even ingame, the others know MC is his favorite. They make MC talk for them, since they are too scared to talk to him on their own. All this to say the game is very upfront about the relationship between MC and him. But it's all just implications and never outright says it's anything more than a very close friendship. A lot of people call the game "fujo bait" and it's hard to argue against them. But I digress. I love Persona /SMT. The stories Atlus tells are great and I'll keep playing their games. Hopefully in the future, Atlus won't be afraid to commit to actual gay relationships and LGBT themes in a positive way. As long as it's believable and not forced or shoehorned in. They've done it in the past with Jun, so I'm hopeful. Thank you for the video!
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Thanks so much for covering the SMT content I overlooked, I haven't played the series and from what I surmised it was mostly subtext which is only really noticeable when playing the games, so thanks for laying it all out here! :)
@sleepygamer6320
14 сағат бұрын
I'd argue Anguished One is also very clearly into the MC. Official material even lists his type of romantic partner as "A Shining One"(what he calls MC) and the anime portrays him and Yamato in effectively a love triangle over MC/Hibiki. I think Desu2 actually handles its potential gay romance well, since it's no less canon than the straight options, and the options to flirt with the women are also often taken as jokes with the except of maybe Io and sometimes Makoto (but then flirting with Yamato and Anguished One is also genuine). Joe also flirts back with the MC, from what I remember - but then turns him down because MC's too young for him, not because he's a guy. And there's a drama CD which has Io outright wonder if MC is bisexual.
@GrapefruitVodka3
12 күн бұрын
Really interesting video! Hopefully not too many people are upset by the subject. I hope persona becomes more gay. People who complain against it were definitely not gonna buy it to begin with. Feels like a lot of gaming conversations are tainted these days… maybe people will stop idolizing Japan as straight man’s heaven. Unrelated to persona, but I love how Zero Escape writer Uchikoshi has been included a lot of lgbt stuff in games. It’s so cool to see and people will call him “not Japanese” for daring to include that subject lol
@garfieldkermit
10 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, I need to check out Zero Escape tbh :)
@GrapefruitVodka3
10 күн бұрын
@@garfieldkermit there’s a bit of gay innuendos in zero escape but mainly in his newer work, Ai the Somnium files, there’s an outright gay character, drag queen bar tender (kinda similar to Lala) and a scene where one of the main characters straight up goes on a minute long speech about loving and respecting lgbt people. Very sweet
@joeshmoe9204
7 күн бұрын
I’m glad the comment section is so tame and supportive! As a gay guy and long-time RPG fan, I know how quickly online conversations like this devolve into thinly veiled homophobia/transphobia.
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Often not so thinly veiled lmao
@demibourbon5921
12 күн бұрын
boooooo no yukichie mention booooo (not for serious loev the vid ^o^ but still yukichie were in lovr fr)
@garfieldkermit
10 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, I did miss yukichie first time round but I actually mentioned it if you skip to the Oversights section at the end! :)
@demibourbon5921
10 күн бұрын
@garfieldkermit oh okay !!! I didn't watch till the end because I wanted to avoid persona 2 spoilers (I still haven't played it) but thank you for telling me!!
@mirrorimagery
6 сағат бұрын
i know a bunch of other people have left this comment by now but thank you for the level of time and depth you put into this video and the related research! a couple of things i'd love to say- (though for clarification i havent gotten to the extra content yet so sorry if you mention it at the end! it's also very long omg im so sorry) firstly, i definitely agree in saying that it's not fair to blame hashino 100% for the state of megaten's treatment of gay people. there's a lot of nuance there, especially considering (and i'm so surprised this didn't come up in the googling related to other megaten/atlus titles!) one of the games he directed before persona 3 was shin megami tensei digital devil saga, a game which was written partially by science fiction author yu godai and finished off by satomi tadashi, the writer for both persona 2 games. i can't explain the degree to which all of its queerness exists due to being a huge spoiler, but a main character of the first game is coded as sapphic (to the point of another character referring to the object of her affections as her girlfriend in the text) and two major characters in the second are explicitly intersex and nonbinary respectively. the intersex character is not entirely accurately depicted but is a tragically sympathetic villain, while the nonbinary character is met with NPC pushback (much like the demon negotiation in p2) that is framed as being wrong and close-minded. in addition, godai wrote a series of novels finishing her original interpretation of DDS's script called quantum devil saga with permission from atlus, and the protagonist serph is depicted explicitly as transmasculine and has homosexual subtext with another main character (but the details are also spoilers there + novels 3-5 are not entirely translated, though reliably translated summaries exist online). i believe she mentioned writing the sapphic characters' relationship with GL in mind, referencing the word for lily being yuri quite literally in the final novel. obviously, the trend with hashino's work does show him being quite misogynistic especially considering he'd stated persona would "never have a female protagonist under him" and the distaste for queer identity does repeatedly show up, but he's definitely not the sole reason it exists. secondly, i really really feel seen by your video and the way you chose to explore the topic at hand. megami tensei as a whole (SMT especially, but the whole series for sure) is my special interest and as a queer person navigating those fandom spaces can be really difficult. your points are all well-articulated and i especially appreciate how you mention it's unfair the way these discussions are so quickly shut down for being "whiny". genuinely gives me hope that the persona fandom has more people willing to actually engage in discussion about queerness without it turning into slapfighting. thank you so much!
@damthatssick
Күн бұрын
Buddy never mentioned Ryoji's feelings for Makoto in P3RE 😢
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Actually mentioned it in the Oversights section at the end, it's easy to miss though!
@Calliemariie
8 күн бұрын
In my opinion Yosuke, Yu, Aigis, Kotone, Jun, Tatsuya are enough evidence that persona has Bi/Gay characters Edit: Also yusuke gives heavy asexual vibes im ngl
@Calliemariie
8 күн бұрын
Also less explicitly i find akechi and ryoji are heavily bi/gay coded just from their relationships with the MCs
@SakuraPottage
13 күн бұрын
When all else fails, blame the Goldface and the Pink Plague of Yasogami.
@benign_canine3423
7 күн бұрын
This has to be my favorite break down on queer themes in Persona I've ever seen, though I'm probably biased in that it mirrors a lot of my own thoughts on having replayed 3-5 very recently. I was initially introduced to 4 on KZitem recommendations (from, as far as Im aware, cishet male allies) back in 2013 specifically for its queer themes, and Kanji and Naoto did a lot to help me explore my own identity and back then, really helped me feel seen when I was an isolated teenager without many outlets for my queer experience. Of course, upon replaying the game, it was a much more mixed experience in that regard as I've gotten older and experienced more nuance in the queer depths. It makes me really happy to hear someone mention how deep a character Naoto is and just how much conversation can be had around her. She may be a cis character in my mind, but I do feel she undergoes a person of questioning her own identity, and comes to the conclusion at the end, that what she's feeling is actually internalized misogyny, something I've heard echoed from many transmascs and GNC lesbians actually. I think her experiences will undoubtably resonate with many queer folks, even if the character herself, isn't trans in text. And I think that's important and should be celebrated! Honestly with how the Beauty on the Beach scene as well as the many other things in Reload, it makes me wonder how exactly Atlus would go about remaking 4, as there's a LOT more explicit and implicit queer themes that could be touched up with a modern lens, or at least handled with more care to get a clearer point across.
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! It'll definitely be interesting to see how they'd go about changing P4, but tbh I don't see us getting it before P6, and I think how P6 ends up will be a pretty good indicator for how they would change P4... if that makes sense :)
@benign_canine3423
Күн бұрын
@@garfieldkermit Absolutely! I'm definitely excited for P6 too! I'm curious to see what direction they take things, what issues they decide to tackle, and just the themes in general. Whatever the case may be, it'll be nice to have another game in the roster to play and enjoy and dissect
@no1ryomafan585
6 күн бұрын
I didn’t think I’d make it through a hour long video with my awful attention span but WOW this was good! Really well put together and digestible, but since I didn’t see the prior single uploads I sadly couldn’t give input that could’ve been put in the correction section so ill just do it here: while Aigis could be seen as bisexual like Ryuji due to liking the mc regardless of gender, something I don’t see talk about is Aigis’s gender. I’ve only played portable so I don’t know what it’s like in other versions-well besides one minor thing in reload-but Aigis a couple of times expresses her disconnection towards being a woman. In her social link she downright saids something along the lines of “I’m shaped to be a female, but I’m a machine” meaning Aigis arguably sees herself under the non binary umbrella. I think this only gets overlooked cause Aigis is still referred to as she, but my friend while playing reload even noticed when you have the option of “would you like to hangout with x” they/them pronouns are used for Aigis, which is a nice detail for reload! So yeah, lengthy comment aside since idk if anyone else pointed it out, I wanted to throw this out there. I know it’s very minimal so Aigis could still be seen as a girl and people have expressed robots as non binary representation isn’t good due to them not being human, but for me, as a non binary person who loves robots? If Aigis whole character in the last month of the game is about being more human, I think it’s okay to have her be under the non binary umbrella. I just wish it was explored more.
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Thanks for pointing that out, and I'd honestly completely missed those details! It's a shame I didn't get a chance to mention it here, but if I ever make a follow-up in any capacity I'll try and find a way of squeezing it in!
@flatwhitecanvas1658
12 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this
@garfieldkermit
10 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@JeromeSankara
5 күн бұрын
Kinda surprised you didn't mention anything about Shinji and Akihiko for P3.
@beefwater60
14 күн бұрын
I watched this whole video and all I can say is your so based (compliment)
@properjellydontbeproper3652
14 күн бұрын
I’m straight but idc about gay in the games. People get too butt hurt about it. It’s about the same as saying stop adding black people to games to be woke or cringe or forced inclusion etc. this whole fighting is dumb going on & it should just be including naturally & seamlessly. Not a big deal or show of it but just natural in life like u getting milk from the grocery store. Doesn’t even need to be talked about,just ignored & there like wind. Because I’m straight & I know most games have a male protagonist,I would love if the male could also romance other males because I am straight female who wants to see romance routes with males & if anything not having that option probably awakens more females to be lesbians considering the limited options.
@user-ec8nz2ns4b
5 күн бұрын
I will never understand the people who hate on Catherine for having one of the best mainstream representations of a transgirl. I think it's because she's treated like a friend and not given a pass or something. Her struggles are genuine and relatable, and the only one who actually teases her about her past is the protagonist who we are constantly reminded is a scumbag for most of the game.
@klaus.sfc01official30
14 күн бұрын
This title sounds like a twitter threat by an SMT Fanboy lol.
@alnkrttt4540
16 сағат бұрын
bro idec if persona is gay or not js the way u talk and the accent are so satisfying to listen to
@Arexion5293
6 күн бұрын
Canonically only Jun has been confirmed gay. Tatsuya seems to be bi considering his romance options and originally Yosuke from P4 was planned to be gay but guess that idea was cut. So with modern Persona we're left with Kanji dealing with gender dysphoria due to his interests being perceived as feminine and him trying to hide away into an overly masculine mask to avoid being labeled. And Naoto struggles at accepting her femaleness, which is a topic that also applies to queer topics but isn't exclusive to them. That's about it. The whole Naoto discussion on the internet annoys me because it's basically simplifying a more complex concept, that being gender expression and personality not being gender identity. Femininity isn't gender identity. If the idea is that a male or a female has to act a certain way we're forcing roles upon people, putting them inside boxes, defining gender identity as behaviour rather than an identity. Her struggles and topics are indeed made to be relatable and ones that can be associated with many things, including lgbt topics, but that doesn't mean it is exclusive to them. She isn't trans, and trying to label her as such would be just missing the point. Crossdressers aren't trans, tomboys and femboys aren't trans. Gender expression is a wide topic that cannot be used for determining one's gender identity because it isn't the same topic.
@antidave
13 күн бұрын
Tbh even before i figured out i was trans i looked at naoto and loved them and said they were trans before anything even happened storywise lol i just saw the hat and the hair and went thats my character 😅
@suumee
2 күн бұрын
idk is water wet
@heyitkota
8 күн бұрын
After 9 years, we've finally found the longest yeah boy ever
@madowl-hatter799
6 күн бұрын
Love the video and the research done in it, as well as the handling of these topics, but one thing i need to point out - you explicitly said tatsuya is bisexual, but no mention for kotone being bi as well. She still has a romantic final sl with aigis because aigis (prior to reload) was a canon (non-negotionable) love interest for the protagonist, as they have been stated to be soulmates. Also, if elizabeth is chosen as a velvet room attendant, they can have an implied intimate moment in her final date, if the player choses the correct options for it. Again, this is not such a big deal but i do think that when discussing queerness and its scarcity in persona as a whole, we should point out and name every character that is queer and especially when its in a positive light. All in all, good job, can't wait to see more analisys from you
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
Thank you so much, and honestly can't believe I missed that out, I think it likely got lost in the mix since there was quite a bit to talk about in P3 compared to P2, but thanks for highlighting that here!
@mortysempai6585
12 күн бұрын
Yes. It’s why the refuse to give us more femc/kotone :(
@DoYouReadSutterCane
8 күн бұрын
90 minutes of video essay for a question with a 1 word answer: Yes!
@arlynnfolke
8 күн бұрын
seems it's one of the hardest question, just look at the video's duration length
@sharcraz211
3 күн бұрын
Persona is wild, because the core concept, especially for 4 and 5, seems almost inherently queer, but the games, for the most part, just don't address it.
@sharcraz211
3 күн бұрын
Also, Yosuke gotta be the gayest homophobe.
@crinklechips6950
20 сағат бұрын
What are you even on about?
@Kneevirus
7 күн бұрын
As a bi man who is primarily is bi for feminine or pretty men rin being romancable in catherine full body made me so incredibly happy even if he is defintely too morally upstanding for what the original catherine was going for which is weighing your options between 2 not super ideal women.
@user-ec8nz2ns4b
5 күн бұрын
I always thought the "beautiful lady" was just someone from Shinjuku.
@tomo8940
14 күн бұрын
If Jojo is then yes.
@husky6672
3 күн бұрын
NO, if it gets gay romance option, it's woke
@princepeachfuzz
Күн бұрын
lmao
@kevlap017
Күн бұрын
Regarding Naoto: I can understand why people may worry that pushing a trans interpretation may detract from the criticism about women societal expectations in japan, but it's not like the game is suggesting that it would be ok for naoto to transition to gain ''Easy respect'' if anything, the game chastise that idea and encourages her to succeed regardless, which is arguably one of the better interpretations regardless of if you think the trans subtext is pro trans or not, since encouraging people to succeed as themselves is fine. What is more iffy, is the underlying subtext that Naoto isn't comfortable with herself even after she admits that she started passing as a boy to get around sexism. She identifies as female in the end, sure, but she isn't shy about how that doesn't mean she likes female gender expression now. And it has to be said that it's possible to interpret it as ''Women should be ok with presenting as more male'' since Kanji's ark is also stating he should accept his more female presenting side. But of course, the game is a bit hypocritical here, since Naoto is pushed far more into gender conformity than Kanji. Kanji's ''cute and girly'' interests are seen as a quirk that makes him likeable, and since these are mostly invisible, since he still present as masculine, it's seen as a tolerable level of eccentricity, but since Naoto goes as far as passing as a boy, the game's cast make it much more clear that they don't want her to continue doing this, that she can be ''herself now''. This isn't that surprising, The other female party members are ALL pushed into gender conformity, even if they skew conformity somewhere. Yukiko is expected to be a good daughter and take up the inn, which upsets her at first, but she ultimately conforms to these expectations by changing her own attitude about her hometown. Rise is also quite valorised AS the more sexualised and ''boy interested'' girl of the group, she clearly takes the leading role amongst the girls until Naoto joins, where then she eclipse every other party member given her background and late joining. Chie is a bit less obvious, she is tomboy-ish, and her demeanour doesn't seem to fit traditional femininity expectations, but there are some elements here. She likes being praised for her femininity at some point, and her social link IS about being less of a hot head, which does seem to fit Japan's norms about how women need to be quiet, apologetic and non confrontational. So yeah, It is not a surprise in this context that Naoto is pushed by the game to just conform. I used ''she/her'' just because the character canonically use those pronouns in english to be clear. If she kept referring to herself as male or asked the others to do so, then I would have as well even if the cast did not. Though what you said about how the japanese text apparently had her use the male ''I'' is interesting, that makes things even more complex. As someone who speaks french, a language where you can't really be gender neutral without telling others explicitly that this is your intention, because by default in french, non gendered entities will conjugate adjectives and other words as if they were masculine, (Which means masculine is both ''male and neither'' for singular or plural words that aren't explicitly feminine or ''both genders'' for plurals words that includes males and females. Yes it's strange, but grammatical gender isn't really about gender in itself most of the time, for example, in french a profession/academic discipline is a female word, but the person doing that as a career was historically a male word that just applied to both men and women, until we feminised those words, a bit how actor can also be used for women instead of actress in english. The same kinds of examples are very common in french yet we didn't see the need to ''masculinise'' the name of those disciplines or professions, only the people doing them to make gender distinction more clear, though this has the negative impact of erasing neutral portrayal of the word, since at least before it was unisex, so to speak) I can understand why that would be much more meaningful in japanese than a language that"s already much more neutral on both actual and grammatical genders like english. I haven't seen the french translation of Persona 4, but I suspect they just do like the english version, refer to her as man until the reveal by also using male conjugated adjectives. It's really hard to read into subtexts when part of that subtext is likely lost due to linguistic and cultural differences, what remains is enough for us to have opinions, but what's lacking in our understanding can make a big difference in interpretation sometimes. In the end I don't fully like the ambiguity in persona 4 portrayal of Kanji and Naoto, ambiguity means it's harder to see if it's truly supportive and tolerant, or if it's not that much. Ambiguity is the same old trick used in queerbaiting to edge off LGBTQ fans about their favorites characters, and it gets irritating to see it used as this eternal plausible deniability for the bigots that would be mad if the creators were more committed to a clear position on these issues. It's a shame because persona *tries* to have serious and principled positions about heavy topics like death, grief, abuse, truth, loneliness, corruption, free will, legality vs legitimacy, etc, but it drops the ball regarding social issues of which the very portrayal is actually more courageous in japan than philosophical pondering (which as a gay Philosophy grad student, makes sense to me. The most offensive topics are those that you CAN'T ignore. You can choose to ignore topics like death or free will if they make you uncomfortable, not so much about the existence of people around you). I did hear that Persona 5 very unsubtle criticisms of the Japanese justice system and P4 criticism of television were met with *some* backlash by conservative folks, but it's nowhere near the uproar an actual gay or trans character (let alone a playable one) causes. Heck, I don't even need to google it to know that rainbow pin in reload upset in Japan the same kinds of folks you'd expect outside japan to care so deeply about such a little detail, like the people that went crazy years ago about that very small trans flag in celeste.
@ParakeetDSi
13 күн бұрын
This is a well presented video!
@SAIZOxRYOMA
14 күн бұрын
im so glad i found this channel
@rydog777
7 күн бұрын
The whole Kanji represents toxic masculinity vs sexuality argument is stupid considering how closely linked the two topics are. Why can't I be both fr.
@josegillara5489
4 күн бұрын
Only if you let it be
@casrastr0phe
8 күн бұрын
I am a genderqueer/transmasculine person and Naoto's narrative really alligns with my own transition. I do understand her discomfort with being percieved as a woman even after accepting the fact she is afab, which im also going through. However, while i personally do not mind my own body that much and i allign with girlhood and femininity and the femme experience as a whole, provided that even us trans men still go through and are affected by women's issues, i find myself uncomfortable being perceived or refered to as a woman at any circumstances. Transition and gender as a whole shouldnt be based on a binary and i am not less trans or less of a man for not wanting surgery or not being uncomfortable with wearing dresses. Im not claiming that Naoto is trans, as thats what the writers intended HOWEVER to invalidate her alignments with various aspects of trans experience really cuts away from her character in my opinion. There are people like her that exist in the real world, myself being an example to some extent. You cant help people of any backgrounds relating to her on any extend and i think we shouldn't invalidate any interpretation of her character because of that.
@MRabb01
10 күн бұрын
PERSONA 2 REFERENCE!?
@kidboo4272
13 күн бұрын
great video, keep doing!
@milliegirl2005
3 күн бұрын
Here's my headcannon for persona 3 onwards: Makoto = ace Keoto = lesbian/ trans Yukari = straight Jupie = straight Akihiko = ace Mitsuru = bi Fukka = straight Aigis = lesbian Koromaru = dogs / straight Ken = straight Shinji = bi ______________________ Chadori = straight Takka = gay Jin = gay __________________________ Yu = bi Youska = bi / gay in denial Chie = bi Yukiko = bi Kanji = pan Teddie = pan / femboy / furry Rise = straight Narto = bi / genderfluid _____________________________ Joker = gay Morgana = straight Reugi = straight Ann = straight Youska = gay Makoto = bi Futaba = bi Haru = straight Aketchi = gay _________________________ And my cannon couples of the series are: Keoto + Aigis Jupie + Chadori Takka + Jin Yu + chie Kanji + Narto Joker + Aketchi ____________________________ Please feel free to aggre or disagree with Me.
@Polaroid_Probably
3 күн бұрын
i love how you spelt like half of the character names wrong… never cook again
@ringer1324
14 күн бұрын
Obviously
@poysona
6 күн бұрын
Sometimes
@MegafanX123
13 күн бұрын
No 😈
@shonaleigh5873
7 күн бұрын
Yes (video ends)
@times2die
7 күн бұрын
did i miss something or did the ryoji linked episode thing just get skipped over. i just finished the p3 section
@garfieldkermit
Күн бұрын
I missed it in the original video, but if you skip to the Oversights section at the end I mention it there! :)
@afterglow7984
13 күн бұрын
Yes
@nialia5414
14 күн бұрын
My how this series has evolved
@thepowerisyetunknown7710
6 күн бұрын
Dang suddenly I don't want to play ReFantazio anymore :c
@d4-v1d22
11 күн бұрын
Well it sure as hell ain’t straight
@Jaknife101
7 күн бұрын
Shh! Don't let them know we know! Then they'll make it less fun in the future. They strike a good balance of "Yeah, I could see it." with their characters, speculation is a million-times more fun than when they just write it in as fact. What would they discuss online then? Once it's fact, it's boring. That's why they only ever hint at official ships for the characters in the dialogue. Whether those hints are subtle or beating you over the head...now that's up to the writer's/localiser's transgression, lol.
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