No lazy ideas and bad writing is killing Hollywood
@xxdavecz3811
7 жыл бұрын
you just write why critics are critics and not movie writers :-) these lazy and bad writers probably will be next critics :-)
@darth_kal-el
7 жыл бұрын
Rey R nothing is killing Hollywood
@sleepyazathoth5238
7 жыл бұрын
The problem is with the stupid people that believe that if you don't give a movie a 10/10 the movie is shit, the people that only look at the score and doesn't bother to read at least one fucking review until said review has less than 140 characters that feed this thumbs up tumbs down bullshit mentality, the people that believes that Rotten Tomatoes is one critic. The fundamental problem is Hollywood doing shitty movies, but a lot of stupid people are not doing RT any favors either, for me (someone that follows a lot of critics, and loves to talk movies) RT it's a powerful tool.
@Ziggz47
7 жыл бұрын
Your God Wilfred I agree with you 100%. Today's age is "Best movie ever" or "worst movie ever" there is no in between and it's killing us movie fans who don't think that way
@darth_kal-el
7 жыл бұрын
Your God Wilfred also on that note people who don't understand what Rotten Tomatoes is or does of which they are so so many
@jazzx251
7 жыл бұрын
The reason behind that is that visiting the cinema is EXTREMELY expensive. The film industry isn't helping themselves. You want to know that you'll not be wasting your money ... so a 10/10 is the only thing you might take a chance on. [well - a 100% tomatometer would be a sign that you should probably invest your hard-earned on that movie] Personally, every time I took a chance in the last few years, I was right to. Going way back - these are some of the movies I watched in the cinema thanks solely to the tomatometer, and then reading the reviews, and also loving the movie [no James Bond, Star Wars, Hunger Games or Harry Potter, because I was always going to see those no matter what]: Children of Men Moon Brave Tangled Driver Looper Inception Baby Driver Gravity Silver Linings Playbook The Descent Those are movies I would never have gone to without the tomatometer, and then reading multiple critic reviews.
@serenityq26
7 жыл бұрын
aka 100% of the people who use that site bka americans tka a non factor when movies are international and a lot of films are making MOST of their money from the "foreign" markets
@pokemonmanyou4239
6 жыл бұрын
Your God Wilfred The way I view rotten tomatoes is that is the percentage that you will find the movie worth your money. Ifa movie has a 50 percent on Rotten Tomateos, then there's a 50 percent chance you will like the movie and find the movie worth your 10 or eleven dollars.
@wgjung1
7 жыл бұрын
Making better movies might save Hollywood.
@keitht24
7 жыл бұрын
juan gomez Or holding screenings for critics you know will give you a positive review, while embargoing every other critic until after the films release. You know, like they've started doing.
@Scrapluv
7 жыл бұрын
They can't partially embargo while letting others post positive reviews. The embargo is across the board or not.
@mgeek1
7 жыл бұрын
Hollywood will save itself. It's cyclical. Hollywood may be in a slump right now, but it always bounces back.
@keitht24
7 жыл бұрын
James Robinson Uh, are you delusional? They've already done it with Annabelle Creation. It had 15 critic reviews, all positive, putting it at 100%. Certified fresh. Then suddenly a second embargo lifted & the rating dropped sharply by almost 40%.
@enigmatic474
7 жыл бұрын
damn right. what the studios really mean when they say "RT is destroying Hollywood!" is "RT & other review sites are helping audiences make informed choices so they don't waste their money watching cookie cutter shite that Hollywood used to be able to pump out like pig swill".
@diegom6053
7 жыл бұрын
No. It's destroying bad movies.
@willemdee
7 жыл бұрын
As long as the reviews are honest and come from a genuine place, RT is saving the consumers from awful content that Hollywood keeps greenlighting.
@NStarks007
7 жыл бұрын
Nigga fuck that subjective talk... in no fucking world should CHIPS have been green lit and cost 20million to make
@kylestyyle987
7 жыл бұрын
Cinemaniac Jean No one's saying it's not subjective, but the vast majority of the time the general audience opinion parallels the critic opinion, so it fairly accurately indicates what movies are generally considered worth your time.
@nenabunena
7 жыл бұрын
Tbh I don't look at rt as their ratings are very different from my personal ratings
@memorandom7484
7 жыл бұрын
Sequels, pointlessly franchised series, remakes and cash grabs are destroying Hollywood.
@y3ee3e
7 жыл бұрын
Rotten tomatoes should make movie producers and directors accountable. Movie tickets are expensive as fuck. As the viewing experience costs roughly 30 dollars a person if you include concessions. So if someone is gonna spend that much they better make sure it's a good Movie, first. And rotten tomatoes does a great job of telling people what movies are good vs. Bad.
@candycane1686
7 жыл бұрын
damn, you spend 30 on concessions. Maybe not be a fat ass then.
@nikemi
7 жыл бұрын
Candy Cane what a moronic statement. He said $30 dollars including concessions. Which is ticket + snacks. It's not even that hard to believe spending $30 on concessions given how highly priced snacks are, especially is major cities.
@konohahurricane07
7 жыл бұрын
lol you actually buy concessions? Sucker born every minute.
@Alchemist1330
7 жыл бұрын
OH NO! Terrible products are being designated as terrible? WHAT? How dare critics get in the way of billionaire studio who are trying to scam audiences into paying money for a terrible movie, instead of spending their money on a good movie.
@davidmitchell-baker1701
7 жыл бұрын
Rotten Tomatoes isn't ruining cinema, the internet is ruining cinema; it spreads reception of a film to a broader and broader audience every day, everyone feels the need to state their own opinion and threaten to kill someone who doesn't agree with them, it's making a critic's job easier to promote their work, it's increasing interactions between celebrities and studio higher ups with their audiences and the critics, it's providing us with alternatives to cinema so we can save our 10 bucks and spend it elsewhere, it's warning us what to see and what not to see, and above all social media infests every movement of our lives that we can't avoid it, even so far as people taking flash photos in the cinema for Snapchat. I'm almost fearful of going to the cinema these days in that the last example will ruin my experience and also I have to save/spend my money wisely because I'm cash strapped so I will listen to a critic to see what I definitely should/should not see.
@TravisHouze
7 жыл бұрын
Everyone's a critic. Word of mouth can ruin cinema with a million different views and opinions
@alextexan6761
7 жыл бұрын
Disagreed - the internet actually has increased the hype and expectations of stupid movies that in reality are complete crap - thus increasing the audience attendance for a movie - case in point - the star war series.
@vanzetti7
7 жыл бұрын
Wow when I watched Baywatch, there must have been three groups of teenagers that were taking flash photos on their phone! It was very disorientating.
@mgeek1
7 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of truth to that.
@SDsailor7
7 жыл бұрын
I want to read what the critics say about a movie that I am interested in because I don't want to throw my money away on a terrible movie. In my area the tickets range from 12 to 14 bucks.So I read the reviews and from there I take an average and then decide.Also seeing the previews helps because sometimes you can tell if the movie will be good/interesting.Cheers
@Ironbat92
7 жыл бұрын
Transformers 5 has 15% and still made half a billion dollars. Emoji is like 7% and made 170 million dollars on a 50 million dollars budget. Meanwhile, Scott Pilgrim is 81% and Dredd is 78% and no one saw them. If critics did "hold the power", the latter two would have made hundreds of millions.
@1Kevin
7 жыл бұрын
Joseph Ocasio dredddddd
@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Scott Pilgrim, though? Not enough 15 year old emo kids out there to BE the audience for a movie like that.
@ronaldososa
7 жыл бұрын
You don't need to be a 15 year old emo to like Scott Pilgrim, most movie critics are mostly in their 30s and 40s and an 80% of them likec it
@ronaldososa
7 жыл бұрын
John V Why won't you let him?
@RykComerford
7 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Rotten Tomatoes is owned by ticket seller Fandango & movie studio Warner Bros. Pretty sure their owners want to sell movie tickets.
@umarbajwa101
7 жыл бұрын
Ryk Comerford Lol you'd think if they were gonna manipulate the system to sell tickets they wouldn't have let Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad get catastrophically low scores
@RykComerford
7 жыл бұрын
I didn't accuse them of manipulating anything. Just mentioning it's ironic some in Hollywood are blaming Tomatoes for bad box office when their owners actually want good box office. Hollywood is to blame here, not a website.
@enigmatic474
7 жыл бұрын
oh, and the fact that WB owns a majority stake in RT is FUCKING PROOF that RT is run independently, otherwise surely RT wouldn't shit over loads of WB movies!
@konohahurricane07
7 жыл бұрын
Then why did Batman v Superman get terrible reviews?
@TheCamcamTV
7 жыл бұрын
The problem with RT is that nobody knows how the percentage even works
@henry_b1230
7 жыл бұрын
It's the percentage of positive reviews (6/10 and higher)
@akburst510
7 жыл бұрын
You can't be serious.
@MrKJ444
7 жыл бұрын
it's more straight forward than metacritic lol
@Nayr747
7 жыл бұрын
Cameren Ceniceros It's just the percentage of critics that liked the movie... How is that so difficult for people to understand?
@xxdavecz3811
7 жыл бұрын
Nayr747: But that doesn't mean that movie with 90% is better than movie with 60% according to critics. You can like movie which isn't that good and you can don't like movie which is pretty good but you don't like some aspects.
@nickmatthewsmusicstudio
7 жыл бұрын
$15 for a shitty movie in a theater, or $15 for HBOGO and 70 hours of Game Of Thrones. Easy choice
@kempiro
7 жыл бұрын
"Raw Deal" was awesome! It had one of Arnold's best lines ever: "You should not drink, and bake." Pure gold!
@nikolai9520
5 жыл бұрын
John Carpenter's The Thing is a good example of criticisms not assessing a film's overall storyline by nitpicking at grotesque scenes, seemingly unrelatable characters, and a conclusion that offers no resolve. Sometimes an assessment should take the time to delve into what is presented and refrain from giving an immediate response.
@Code_Dee
7 жыл бұрын
I give this youtube video about an 8.0. Production values were good, enthusiasm was good, but not enough Lemire or giant jars of water on the table. Gotta give the people what they want.
@paulmeredith9404
7 жыл бұрын
Cody Davies new article: is Cody Davies destroying What The Flick?
@jmac2050
7 жыл бұрын
Critics be wrong is not the problem, critics banding together and coping each other's negative reviews os the problem with RT
@adamJKpunk
7 жыл бұрын
My only problem is that the "aggregate" used in the tomato meter is not a real number because it's impossible to use that number as it's always from different people. They pick and choose which critics appear on what movie reviews, it's weird.
@1080TJ
7 жыл бұрын
I'm getting tired of seeing this talked about over and over. Plenty of movies get good reviews and do poorly because they don't appeal to general audiences (Logan Lucky is a recent one that comes to mind). Some franchises (Transformers, Fifty Shades, pre-Wonder Woman DCEU) are critic proof and will always make money. If you're making a blockbuster movie, put actual effort into telling a good story and maybe don't inflate the budget on excessive visual effects. If you put out a good and accessible movie people will come to the theater: see IT, Dunkirk, Baby Driver, Get Out, Logan and plenty of other recent films. Studios fear something like Rotten Tomatoes because unlike previous decades, general audiences are able to be well-informed about a movie's quality in a quick and easy way. We're under no obligation to shell out $12 and up to 3 hours on a pile of crap like The Dark Tower, King Arthur, Baywatch or Pirates of the Caribbean 5 just because a studio was stupid enough to pour a bunch of money into it without trying to make a good film. Studios don't want to admit that they're the ones at fault here. So they use RT as a scapegoat. If you're afraid of people giving reviews of your product, your product probably sucks.
@haberjeff
7 жыл бұрын
Great discussion guys. Ben mentioned A.O. Scott, the NY Times film critic. The Times had never used a rating or scoring system for their reviews - you had to read the review and decide for yourself what the critic's opinion was of the film. But I have noticed that the Times is now using a "Critic's Pick" checkmark to determine whether to count the review as Fresh or Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes. That's certainly a testament to the power of RT.
@Jeremy-ql1or
7 жыл бұрын
There is is a commercial on TV right now saying that Broad City has a higher Rotten Tomatoes rating than Game of Thrones. This is a condemnation of Rotten Tomatoes.
@aldridgejay
7 жыл бұрын
They said the same thing about Siskel and Ebert. There was a time that those two names and their two thumbs were "killing" the movie industry.
@omarsalkamusic
7 жыл бұрын
I wish Ben was on all the time. One of my favorite hosts/critics/commentators
@enigmatic474
7 жыл бұрын
"The blood-stained hand points a finger" lol - exactly!
@MiSTSYL
7 жыл бұрын
A big problem is that it seems that a lot of people don't understand how the Tomatometer works. I've seen/heard plenty of people think it's a defacto score and they don't understand that a score of 10% isn't a 1 out of 10, and could actually equate to most critics giving the film a 4 or 5 out of 10. There are plenty of watchable, perfectly average films that have crappy Tomato numbers
@sutea3772
7 жыл бұрын
Came for the clickbait, stayed for the conversation.
@konohahurricane07
7 жыл бұрын
It's undeniable that Tomato Scores hurt/help ticket sales, but not by a whole lot. As for the question is it destroying Hollywood? Hell no!. If anything, because bad reviews hurt ticket sales somewhat, it pushes studios to actually try making good movies.
@Zombeastsqurl
7 жыл бұрын
I don't know that he's totally wrong but it's not just RT, it's the readily available opinion of a movie from various sources that is part of the problem as well. I remember in the 90's if you wanted to see a movie you either went and saw it or you waited a week or two until some reviews started to come out about the movie. I think this is why the movie star has dissipated as well because no longer can you say "Tom Cruise is in my movie" and the world goes to see it like you once could. Because we have so much more access to this information about the movies we want to see, no longer are people taking a movie at face value like they used to. The problem with RT is now people see a number and assume the best or worst rather than just deciding for themselves.
@HitoKunioka
7 жыл бұрын
Patty Jenkins is officially directing Wonder Woman 2!! Yaaaay!
@gottbutter
7 жыл бұрын
why would anyone give a shit?
@IsaiahHudson1
7 жыл бұрын
TALK FICTION Idk maybe the ones who supported it like myself😂It mafe 800 million dollars so ppl gave a shit
@gottbutter
7 жыл бұрын
@ totally forgot, it' s all about the money. transformers 3 made over a billion, therefore great movie. nonetheless the WW ending was shit. anyone could've directed that.
@IsaiahHudson1
7 жыл бұрын
TALK FICTION I mean but u also have to take into account that its a comic book movie nothing else. Stuff like that has to be in there whether its good for the story or not.
@gottbutter
7 жыл бұрын
@Isaiah Hudson da fuq ur talking about? a dumb ending is an integral part of a comic book movie? so movies based on comic books don't deserve better endings? have you ever read a comic? comics, like any other medium of storytelling are plenty of good stories. beginning, middle and ending. whoever wrote that useless bossfight at the end of WW is a fucking hack.
@thejenmath
7 жыл бұрын
I'm with Alonso on finding reviewers you like. I have never once looked at ratings on Rotten Tomatoes because it doesn't tell you anything; it's a number. I watch the What the Flick team, Chris Stuckman, and Jeremy Jahns to decide whether to see a movie I'm on the fence about.
@JulianWyllie
7 жыл бұрын
Personally I prefer to just hear critics explain their points, like on this channel. After that I read reviews between 5 and 8 stars on IMDB from regular people to see what they point out as flaws, then I combine that with the premise of the film/trailer and just go from there. It's never failed me yet. Perhaps the issue is people just have been burned by movies with a lot of hype and don't want to risk their money, which I understand. For me, I heard great things about "IT" but I felt lukewarm in the end, but that's just part of the game of hunting for what really becomes memorable subjectively.
@Phi1618033
7 жыл бұрын
All movies should be ranked on a three-point scale: 3 points = go spend $10 at a movie theater to watch this movie; 2 points = worth renting if you want to kill a couple hours; 1 point = if it happens to be playing on HBO and you have nothing better to do, go ahead; and 0 points = beware! you'll never get those 2 hours back.
@danielyeatts491
7 жыл бұрын
This summer was a lesson in Hollywood's current reliance on sequels, reboots to make money. In release order over the summer: Guardians 2, King Arthur: Legend of the Sword, Alien Covenant, Pirates 5, Cars 3, Baywatch, Diary of a Wimpy Kid 2 or 3 whatever who cares, the Mummy, Transformers 5 or 6 whatever who cares, Despicable Me 3, Spiderman Homecoming, War for the Planet of the Apes, Annabelle Creation, and the Nut Job 2. All of these are sequels or reboots. Some sequels work of course, but this is mostly due to the fact that no previous sequel has been made so there is less fatigue. However, even the best of sequels generally get worse reviews than their previous films. (Guardians 2 was arguably better than the original yet still critics gave it worse reviews than the original due primarily to fatigue.) We are all getting bored as movie goers. We like an occasional sequel but we don't want nothing but sequels. And reboots can be all right but are almost never better than the original no matter how old it is. WE NEED ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
@leroystea8069
7 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting conversation. I have seen movies with low tomato scores or negative reviews, mainly because there was something about the film I wanted to see. "After Earth", "Valeron and the City of a Thousand Planets" and "Passengers". Love different kinds of science fiction. Not great films, but each had moments I loved and would eventually buy the DVD for (or will buy when released) . So yes, Hollywood's complaint is ridiculous. Great to see you again Ben...it's been awhile.
@junkyard014
7 жыл бұрын
They may believe Rotten Tomatoes is the enemy, but here's the thing. Some movies have been critically acclaimed and done poorly at the box office while other movies that were poorly received did amazing at the box office. The word of the mouth does not always affect the box office performance. Sometimes it is the marketing, sometimes it is the subject matter. Different factors play a role how well a movie will perform.
@whothetechknows
6 жыл бұрын
I completely loved this segment. The tomatometer definitely helps me make a snap decision if I'm going to rent or see a movie. I have limited time and I try to see things that I know or at least in the ballpark or something that I might like. However, I do know that I'm a fanboy on certain topics and those movies would drive me to see those anyway. I also believe that Studios still green like shit more often than they would like. Also, there are other factors that go into that maybe they greenlit an awesome idea but it just wasn't possible to execute it for the millions of factors that go into creating a movie. And now they're stuck with it and they're trying to find some way to salvage it. The tomatometer makes it harder for them to hide it.
@tylergcole1727
7 жыл бұрын
I rarely go to see movies that score under 60% anymore, not to be pretentious but the Tomatoemetre is often accurate.
@iansmart4158
7 жыл бұрын
Comet has a 40% I believe and is one of the most beautiful films ever made.
@MrTooboredtocare
7 жыл бұрын
Ian Smart That's why he said it was OFTEN accurate. Of course there can be exceptions.
@iansmart4158
7 жыл бұрын
Of course, I understood. Just saying that to give an example of How RT can give a negative perspective on some great films.
@sanyrub
7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn´t it be more accuate to only use average real scores like other sites and that´s it? How is it accurate a system that exaggerates the scores?
@darth_kal-el
7 жыл бұрын
Tyler G Cole However critics are some times wrong which means RT will be wrong. If RT existed by on the 80s The Shining would have had a score in the 30s
@johnpalacios9392
7 жыл бұрын
I only see movie reviews either after I see a movie, or if I have no intention of seeing said movie at all.
@janmil5630
7 жыл бұрын
When I was younger I had weird taste in movies (and video games) so when I went to RT (or gamestop) for reviews and end up watching their high rated ones, I end up not liking the movie/game and find it boring. I've learned to just look for the plot/trailer myself and hope they have a decent director/producer and I usually love it. Even if they have bad ratings on these critic sites.
@theadamblock
7 жыл бұрын
I like taking the average between critics and audiences and grading a scale based on certain factors like genre.
@alittleolder
7 жыл бұрын
The only thing I know is that I still buy every movie I am even remotely interested in on Blu Ray and for like the last 5 years it's been declining by 50% from year to year.. no idea what's going on. Maybe they're just concentrating on a few blockbusters but there go weeks and weeks without a new release to buy and just 3 years ago you could order 2 a week at least
@Hedgehog4real
7 жыл бұрын
i am a big fan of reading and watching professional reviews, because i like people who know 50X more than i do about the cinema and television voice their opinions in an eloquent way. reviews definitely have tremendous impact on whether i'm ever gonna give a certain film or show a watch. i can't see a single problem with that. i also very rarely disagree with the general consensus. i call it research. you look for something you think might interest you, you find out if it's well-made or not, you get it( or not) based on the previous action's results.
@BrotherAlpha
7 жыл бұрын
The Tomatometer Score is simply the percent chance the average critic recommends the movie. Having a 90% score doesn't mean all of the critics gave the movie rave reviews. It means 90% of them like it enough to recommend it. Sometimes, this means the vast majority gave the film a 7 out of 10.
@moviegeek151
7 жыл бұрын
7:14 hahaha. Ben's comment about "Mankiewicz and Lyons". Dead.
@hkr0065
7 жыл бұрын
Hollywood didn't need Rotten Tomoatoes to destroy itself. If anything, it's saving what's left of it. By having an easy system that people can check, movies might actually have to have genuine quality.
@davidranderson1
7 жыл бұрын
If anything, Rotten Tomatoes probably positively inflates scores. A movie that all the critics think is at least decent will get a high number; even if no one actually thinks it's great.
@fromthehaven94
7 жыл бұрын
The film festival method discussed at 8:59- I wonder if it would have helped the movie A Cure for Wellness.
@Brevincampbell12
7 жыл бұрын
They should slightly change it from postive or negative based on overall review to postive and negative to average rating
@thedanajamesjones
7 жыл бұрын
I'm in favor of "soft to the touch."
@jawshu
7 жыл бұрын
This was an insightful conversation - Ben, Alonso, and Matt have great rapport with one another
@marikotrue3488
7 жыл бұрын
Did not read the referenced article, but one word destroys its headline thesis, Transformers (its existence and its continuation).
@elementSe34
7 жыл бұрын
And all the other similarly badly-reviewed 'films' that make a fuck ton of money at the BO.
@twhip
5 жыл бұрын
Box office-wise, rising ticket prices ($15+ at AMC here) might just have something to do with it. One theater outing pays a month's HBO, etc. Would anyone be surprised to see $25 ticket prices this year? Captain Marvel is currently 21.99 for Dolby. ( No wonder AMC Van Ness had to close last month ...)
@Transplanar
7 жыл бұрын
The only times when critics pan a movie that audiences like is in the case of movies that go on to be cult classics. Movies disliked by most, but with a few die-hard fans. For example, I loved Cloud Atlas, but it didn't get the best reviews since its unusual story structure confused a lot of people. In a case like that movie, you could argue that on a logical level, it's story wasn't that great, but I think it definitely had a strong emotional core that overshadows that.
@MaJoRMJR
7 жыл бұрын
I have seen a number of films on RT that have very different critics review score to the audience review score, the current best example is The Dark Tower which has a Tomatometer rating of 16% but audience rating of 54% (so critics are saying it is terrible where the audience are saying it's hit and miss), so there is a case that the critics are being overly harsh on certain films. I would say you just need to take bad reviews with a pinch of salt, watch the trailers and make an informed decision as to whether you think you might like it or not. Some people are just waiting for average movies to come out on Amazon/Netflix for free before watching it. Side note cinemas in my area have recently slashed their prices from £9.75 to £4.99, doesn't take a genius to work out why.
@Borat69able
7 жыл бұрын
I have seen the video yet so sorry if you repeat this. The problem with RT is misrepresentation. We live in a great time where the audience can rely on critics on whether or not a movie is worth seeing but unfortunately the audience is relying on misinformation. The entire RT system is incredibly flawed. The fact that the number (50%, 70%, etc.) isn't a rating but a figure on how many people like it, isn't necessarily a bad thing. The issue is that it isn't made clear to those who use RT. Not only that, I've seen reviews where someone gave a favourable review but it came out 'rotten' and someone else give a bad review and it came out 'fresh'. If 10 out of 10 reviewers gave a movie a 6/10, the movie would be 100% on RT. That doesn't mean it's a great movie. If a movie got 5/10 from all reviewers, it would be 0% on RT. The system is flawed and there's some dodgy things going on that needs to be fixed.
@DarinMichaelGrant
7 жыл бұрын
The problem with what *you're* saying, dude, is that basically no film ever has gotten a 100% on RT and yet a 6/10 average rating. It just doesn't happen. So sure, theoretically, your point is valid, but it almost never happens, so it doesn't really count. Same for a 0% and yet a 5/10 average rating. Extremely rare that that happens. Look, I'm not saying that you don't have a point. A lot of people don't really "get" how RT works, but I get so frustrated with people who say, "A movie that gets 90% on RT doesn't mean anything." Sorry, but that is total BS right there. Even *if* every critic gave it a 6/10 (which again, never ever happens), that still means that almost *all* critics thought the movie was decent or fine. That's a pretty big deal when 200 or more critics can almost all agree that a movie is at the very least "better than mediocre." Do you see what I'm saying? Sure, if you thought that the movie was a *masterpiece,* you are liking it a heck of a lot more than most critics. But, nevertheless, you're still with the 90% of critics that at least "liked it." On the other hand, if you *didn't like* the film (3 or 4/10), sure...it's not like you're on an entirely different wavelength than most of the critics (because they "only" gave it a 6/10), but you're still in the gross *minority* (10%) of people who flat-out didn't like it. Anyhow, that's just *my* perspective on the subject/debate.
@curioso7867
7 жыл бұрын
I hope so. Anyone who helps humanity get rid of that pestilence has my respect.
@kdsmith24114
6 жыл бұрын
I almost NEVER agree with "Rotten Tomatoes"! It is very rare that they get it right.
@nero12345789
7 жыл бұрын
Videos like these are why Whattheflick is one of my all time favorite channels. They're fantastic!
@BrendanBeckett
7 жыл бұрын
The rating system is dumb. It should be average ratings, not percentage of "fresh" ratings.
@punkem733
7 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's the shitty movies. Hollywood is scared to do new shit, it's all remakes, sequels, and comic movies.
@briansager3744
7 жыл бұрын
PUNKem733 How many "original" movies have you seen this year? Cause they're out there, they just don't make money.
@thehobbsguy
7 жыл бұрын
Rotten tomatoes is a consumer protection against dropping a bunch of $$$ on bad movies. Maybe if the studios made better movies, they would make more money.
@thehobbsguy
7 жыл бұрын
Critics are just movie fans that have seen more movies than you, giving them more reference to talk about movies.
@AnthonyLewis1981
7 жыл бұрын
Lots of people aren't even using RT properly but to be fair RT relies on the catchy tomato meter when the more nuanced average score gives a better impression of reviewers thoughts. Positive and negative scores have a lot of variations. Most people look at the TM score then make their call based on that. How many people are reading 4 or 5 full reviews?
@y3ee3e
7 жыл бұрын
Anthony Lewis the tomatometer just tells people whether the movie is good or not. That's how it should be used. I agree people using it incorrectly. For example 200 critics can give a movie a 6/10...givimg the movie An amazing 100% on rotten. Obviously it's not a great movie but just a good one...but that 100% obviously toys with the minds of most In contrast another movie can get 190 10/10 and 10, 2/10s. Obviously the later is better. But the tomatometer won't show that.
@kroozader
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's like no one knows how the rating works and it pisses me off so much hahaha
@kylestyyle987
7 жыл бұрын
The TM is intrinsically better than the average score because the TM is not as heavily swayed by outliers, say, that give a great movie 1/10 or vice versa. But yes, reading full reviews is the best way to go.
@chrishale5213
7 жыл бұрын
Anthony Lewis I really think the TM score is a tie breaker though. If you know the story or love the brand you'll go see it. If your friends told you go see it, you'll go see it. You've never heard of it. Your friends haven't said anything. There's only a couple neutral stars, meh.... what does RT say?
@darth_kal-el
7 жыл бұрын
kylestyyle987 wrong. Average score is better. Saying otherwise shows how stupid you are
@planetg2125
7 жыл бұрын
Hardly a balanced discussion when you're all so invested in RT
@rehtorbF03
7 жыл бұрын
Ben would ban motorcycles?! I would like him to unpack that and defend his stance.
@l.neffahtitip-m9700
7 жыл бұрын
When Roger Ebert was alive I would always check in on his reviews FIRST before seeing a film. And because I trusted his expertise, perspectives, arguments--especially regarding black films--if gave a thumbs up, then I would see a film in the theater, although there were a few instances when I disagreed with his reviews. Bottom line, if you trust the reviewing source, you will or not see a film.
@herbzzz
7 жыл бұрын
These movie studios continuously spit out horrible movies & don't put any effort into making them good because they just want money out of it. So hopefully people continue putting their money toward good film projects so studios stop giving us terrible movies like Baywatch & The Emoji Movie
@lesleynoelle7337
7 жыл бұрын
Remember that you can leave any film within twenty minutes, and they will give you a rain check.✌🏾
@BrotherAlpha
7 жыл бұрын
11:00 What do you mean in a parallel world? I've seen those stories where people blamed Twitter for a movie failing.
@theolamp5312
7 жыл бұрын
If a movie is in my wheel house that I want to see, the critics will never dissuade me. I sort of use the critics to give direction on the movies that are outside of the genres I would usually watch. And I pay attention to who the critic is. And, did their criticism focus on something that would bother me? And audience reviews are as important as critics reviews. Sometimes that might make me miss a really good movie. But, more often it saves me 10 bucks.
@Krndancedance
7 жыл бұрын
It's like they said, you can't hide a bad movie. I grew up in the era of dial-up when the internet wasn't too useful, and guess what, we still had the Sunday newspaper tell us which movies were bad or not. In a way it's worse, as so many studios now are pumping in for a massive opening weekend where they can get their money back worldwide (not even US anymore), even if it drops like a rock the next weekend because it was shit... Honestly, it's just the same news scaled up, a little faster and a little shinier.
@marcoantonio7469
7 жыл бұрын
Great discussion, guys.
@Richoracle
7 жыл бұрын
SO you all know that RT is flawed, that people only look at the Numbers, no one actually reads the full reviews. No one is saying all movies are great but you must admit that more people would give a movie a chance for themselves if it wasn't for the tomato score. I have personally been pleasantly surprised by many low scored RT movies.
@nosuchthing8
7 жыл бұрын
Yes it is. It's simple math. In all other areas of life, you always use the largest sample size, not the smallest sample size. But only rotten tomatoes is immune to this, apparently. The smaller sample size is magically more accurate than the larger sample size. Lol.
@briansager3744
7 жыл бұрын
His game is Jerry Lundegaard, not Eric. He sold me a primo Cutlass.
@kchishol1970
7 жыл бұрын
60% can't be considered an arbitrary number; it is a common definition for a Supermajority.
@JAContes
7 жыл бұрын
All I know is that you never base your decision on what TV series to watch based on the tomato meter. Nearly every single bad show has at least an 80% on there. Basically the only people that score those shows are already fans of the show.
@kevinzambrano5179
7 жыл бұрын
I think that RT along with the Internet are helping people decide what movies they have to see. The "problem" that studios are claiming that exists is that RT is destroying their movies and that only is true when a movie is essentially bad. If it is "unconventional" there Will be still some good critic reviews or if It is just fine there will be some good audience reviews. I think bad movies are destroying Hollywood, not RT. Having said that, I agree with Alonso: if you want to know what movies to see and not to see, don't just look at RT's scores. Find a critic or a number of critics that you like and understand(in my case those are Stuckmann, Jahns and What the flick) and hear or read their reviews. then, according to what they said or wrote, go watch this movie or that movie.
@djcloutier3576
7 жыл бұрын
I like the tomato meter but I also have my favorite critics which I either read or watch their reviews. I have to drive 50 km to the nearest theater so I want my moneys worth when I go.
@huizhou47
7 жыл бұрын
Matt has lost alot of weight. Proud
@justincase5332
7 жыл бұрын
Studios only make movies with a pre-existing fan base or previously engaged target audience (i.e. reboots, sequels, prequels and cinematic universes) now because those are the only movies that will make money on opening weekend no matter what the critics say afterwards. Rotten tomatoes is handing consumers the knife with which we're stabbing the movie industry, but the point remains that those movies are trash and deserved to die. It's not like the movie industry is responding by pandering to critics beyond the occasional oscar bait genre piece.
@nickmatthewsmusicstudio
7 жыл бұрын
Hollywood's shitty movies are killing Hollywood. They're putting too much $$$ into marketing, expensive actors, and executive producers.
@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control
7 жыл бұрын
Even their shitty movies make bank. Nothing is 'killing' Hollywood because there's no equivalent in the world, unless you want to watch comedy/action/drama/musical Bollywood productions (oh, they all fit under that genre).
@oneopinion6806
7 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything the crew says here and still the studios are correct and here's why. Ben at the beginning says their argument only works if a movie was actually good but RT aggregate critics all said it was bad. But come on, "good" and "bad" in in studio terms has NOTHING to do with good and bad in critical reception. They care about 1 thing, ticket sales. Not creating art, not even winning awards (except to help with the first thing). Just ticket sales and media sales afterwards! So Transformers or Despicable me 3 get a billion dollars? Studio GOOD MOVIE. The last Apes move? Critical and audiences loved it--those that saw it, but not enough did. So studio BAD movie. The fact of the matter is that RT is a tool that can be used by consumers to overcome marketing (where they care to do so) to be more discerning with their movie dollar and that is all you need to know about why studios dislike RT and are technically correct that it is attacking their industry. Who wants an informed consumer? They want people to just watch trailers, get excited and go. Keep up the disruption guys. You're getting to them!
@DCMarvelMultiverse
7 жыл бұрын
I love scifi and superhero and things based on my childhood. If i pay $13, i prioritize that unless i learn it is bad with my own eyes. I only Transformers not the sequels. I think a lot of folks do that.
@mojok7070
6 жыл бұрын
I think it has become a joke in recent years. Back then Rotton Tomatoes rating was perfect for the great movies. Now you see movies like MCU in the 90% is a joke when they're not even that good to be put in the same rating as The Godfather, Good, Bad, and Ugly, The Terminator etc... MCU for me has made Rotton Tomatoes obsessed with MCU
@filmfury743
7 жыл бұрын
Ben mankiewicz seems like such a bad ass
@joeodonnell2304
7 жыл бұрын
Film Fury well he banged a miss America back in the day
@omarsalkamusic
6 жыл бұрын
Super intelligent
@griswold3006
7 жыл бұрын
Rotten Tomatoes didn't invent social cues or group think but it is interesting to see how we all adjust our viewing habits to the aggregate. If at all. That said, the whole pithy "Hollywood is destorying Hollywood" line that everyone seems to enjoy I think misses a crucial point. Studios are regurgitating tired franchises, ideas and such for a reason. One of which you and I as general consumers of movies are not completely... uninvolved with. Voting with our hot takes online to then be bundled up in aggregate scores is one thing, voting with our actual dollars is another.
@scottieman2
7 жыл бұрын
Better previews and better movies will help the movie industry.
@Vidiot-Savant
7 жыл бұрын
Cinema has apparently been dying since the invention of sound.
@b1bbscraz3y
7 жыл бұрын
there should be a rating system for movies. a different one for every genre
@rivinish
7 жыл бұрын
Brett Ratner is Chuck Schumer of Hollywood
@doubllechief7034
7 жыл бұрын
Rotten Tomatoes has done nothing but save people from wasting their time and money on terrible movies...
@Sam_windsor
7 жыл бұрын
What you don't understand is who cares what critics think? The movies wins awards no one see, they like lala crap just to prove a point
@Puntobaby1
7 жыл бұрын
Not that it's any of my business but what happened with Matt and RT? I first saw Matt on Shmoes Know several years ago and he was on RT then. I've always enjoy Matt and Alonso, even though I don't agree with them sometimes. They always make great points.
@MIchelle4reel
7 жыл бұрын
Well Twitter and rotten tomatoes lied to me about wonder woman. Let's talk about how many times a movie is hyped initially and it doesn't hold up 4 months later when the hype subsided. I've never seen RT tank an honestly great film, but they have aided mediocre ones IMO.
@starr0401
7 жыл бұрын
The industry becomes so toxic right now even Marvel starting to make shitty stuff.
@benjaminyeung972
7 жыл бұрын
Shitty sequels , stupid comic book movies, and boring remakes are destroying Hollywood.
@rubenperez5895
7 жыл бұрын
Tbh I listen to KZitem critics like schmoesknow, chrisstuckmann, and Jeremyjahns before I go to the rotten tomatoes meter.
@nikosvault
7 жыл бұрын
Oh. The Holy Trinity of awful.
@sanyrub
7 жыл бұрын
I hate Rotten Tomatoes for one reason: people don´t seem to understand how it works (most people). Most mistake percentages with real scores. Drives me crazy lol
@TheDarren1423
7 жыл бұрын
I had my thoughts on this format last year.
@tamilshoutcom
7 жыл бұрын
Matt is head of programming, as in a software programmer?
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