I have Crosby at 4th behind Gretzky, Mario and Orr. Its honestly mind boggling to look back at his ppg during the the dead puck era. If Sids prime was during this era hed be putting up 140, 150 point seasons yearly while playing selke level defense
@8799crosby
6 ай бұрын
The dead puck era was 98-2004 . Not when Crosby played . Selke level defense , but has never even been nominated for the trophy in 19 years
@Musso8771
6 ай бұрын
Offensive superstars don't typically win the selke tho, no matter how good their 2 way game is. Crosby is too much of a monster in point production. Datsyuk is about as close as it will get. I think Yzerman won it once too.
@8799crosby
6 ай бұрын
@@Musso8771 if Bergeron or pavel r in the league Crosby is not even in the conversation.
@justindietzler8787
6 ай бұрын
@@8799crosbythe point is the scoring was way down and no where near it was today. There was a year around that time the leading point scorer had 89 points
@sinevins
6 ай бұрын
@@8799crosbyWait... you mean the league that hockey is today? The league that Crosby literally had one of the biggest, if not the very biggest influence and persoanl hand in creating. I'm sorry but he will always be in the best of the best conversation. Eberyone at this point who is still trying to deny this, sorry but how can they think that and claim to truly know what hockey even is.Thqt is auch a ridiculous answer anymore. It kust doesn't evem make logical sense, like at all. None!!
@sctvfan1313
6 ай бұрын
I'm a huge Penguins fan - and when I saw the title of this video I almost didn't watch it, assuming three leaf fans would trash on crosby.... I was pleasingly incorrect and saw proof why SDPN is a great "hockey" channel..and not a "leafs only". Thanks guys
@briangoat-b6b
6 ай бұрын
They can be biased sometimes, but we all can when it comes to our teams. They are indeed great at what they do - Panthers fan
@billk516
6 ай бұрын
They are only bias when the leafs are involved, otherwise pretty fair
@YoYoYoYoYoYoPeace
5 ай бұрын
I'm Canadian and I find leafs fans usually respect Crosby. He's Canadian legend so no matter what he's all over our media. Have to respect him and he's won so much for Canada as MVP
@bradmelnyk3994
6 ай бұрын
What he is doing this year is unbelievable. Putting this team on his back
@stephen686
6 ай бұрын
I don’t remember another player ever so clearly carrying a team like Crosby is right now.
@rickpapineau5939
6 ай бұрын
Perhaps Taylor Hall in 17-18?
@HockeyTruther
6 ай бұрын
I’d say anywhere 3-7 is reasonable to rank Sid all time.
@8799crosby
6 ай бұрын
4-10 ,no way he is better than orr gretzky or mario ,if mcdavid wins some cups and keeps going his path ,he could break the top 3
@sj4iy
6 ай бұрын
McDavid isn’t close to that right now. And Crosby is top 5.
@8799crosby
6 ай бұрын
@@sj4iy can’t put Crosby ahead of Gretzky , Orr Lemieux , messier , or Howe . I could make an argument for bossy , and Jagr as well . Crosby is in the yzerman , sakic area
@jackoakes1998
6 ай бұрын
Crosby's anywhere from 1-5 all-time
@jackoakes1998
6 ай бұрын
@@8799crosbySid easily ahead of messier and Howe
@Jammonstrald
5 ай бұрын
Crosby's peak was 2010-2011 before the concussion. He had 66 points, 32 goals, 34 assists, in 41 games. He was on pace to score 64 goals and 132 points (and I honestly think he could have gotten more with how he gets better as the playoffs approach). For comparison, the goal leader that year had 50, and the point leader had 104.
@thecrew2128
6 ай бұрын
He's the best complete player to ever play the game
@TheMemeBorrower.
6 ай бұрын
What about sakic or Lemieux
@thecrew2128
6 ай бұрын
They were good not saying anything bad it's just Crosby defensive skills and cycling the puck no one in history played like this best complete player my opinion specially at his age right now
@Connor8609
6 ай бұрын
Sakic in unworthy of comparison to Crosby. Mario was not as well rounded a player ( but was better)@@TheMemeBorrower.
@chelious1973
6 ай бұрын
@@thecrew2128You would be correct. I watched Gretzkys and Lemieuxs whole careers. Crosby is at that level. He did things I haven't seen Lemieux and Gretzky do. Pass to himself and then back hand it in the net over the goalies shoulder? Huh Or split the whole defense then one handed slip it over the goalies shoulder? Or in OT shoot it from 30ft out and have it hit the post, then he proceeds to smack it out of mid air 20 ft out to score? The first and third he did within a week within each other by the way. My jaw dropped when I saw it. Or singlehandily beat Nashville in game 5 for the cup finals.
@KaleFGB
6 ай бұрын
Orr, Federov and Datsyuk have entered the chat
@NifeOO4niff
6 ай бұрын
I just love living in a fantasy world where Sid leads the Pens to the cup this year. I want him to get that 4th cup so badly lol
@pt93music
6 ай бұрын
The era adjusted argument pisses off many older fans but it’s completely valid. He did so much at a time when goals were harder to score. When he finally beat the wings, that team was so defensively stacked it was a miracle they did it. He’s won EVERYTHING you could ever win and he was robbed of anywhere from 200-250 points at his prime. Based off how he plays right now he’s got at least 4 more seasons in him. He’s certainly top 3. And era adjusted I think there’s a good argument that he would hold his own against Gretzky and Lemieux.
@mikegreck2625
3 ай бұрын
I say top 3 easy. nobody has ever been that good and so successful in so many areas,
@BangHeadShotDed
6 ай бұрын
Crosby tied Jagr for 5th most playoff points in 28 less games
@nateklein7342
5 ай бұрын
Crosby is the best hockey player to ever pick up a stick. Period. Go ahead, try to change my mind. I spent 48hours total in airports and on planes to get from Vancouver Island to Pittsburgh to watch Crosby, Malkin, and Letang in person. Even during this pitiful Penguins’ season, it was spectacular. Even when I ask my Amazon Alexa who’s your favourite hockey player? Alexa says: “Whoever said Penguins can’t fly hasn’t seen Sidney Crosby’s game. He is a one-man power play, but it’s his charity work with children that sends my circuits into over-time” Even AI knows who’s the best already.
@spsawyer22
5 ай бұрын
As good as Sid is as a player, he's a better human being. Met him twice. Great guy. Tremendous professional as well, he's been the perfect captain for the Pens and arguably with 66 helped save the team for the city of Pittsburgh.
@jackoakes1998
6 ай бұрын
Its crazy we're saying Sid's probably already at 2-4 on the list and the guy missed 2.5 years (2010-2013) with that nasty concussion history. Sid was robbed of probably 250+ points because of that injury
@rickpapineau5939
6 ай бұрын
It's almost like he's Mario...
@RIPJimmyA7X
6 ай бұрын
Without the concussions he'd be a lock for 2k points, and in the dead puck era that's insane
@blowstuffup1
6 ай бұрын
@@RIPJimmyA7X he never played a single game in the dead puck era, now Jagr he did play in the dead puck era
@bigboyflubbins
6 ай бұрын
I don't remember the exact stat but the years he had concussions he had an 82 game span of like 130 points
@nneichan9353
3 ай бұрын
Crosby is the top grinder in my book. He is the guy who put his head down after getting his bell rung a couple of times, to the point he could have never played again. But he put his head down and came back.
@robertpue9820
5 ай бұрын
Agree with the first readout. Grezt, Mario, Sid and Jags. It is what it is. All of those guys are great in anyera
@Slidezy
6 ай бұрын
I was never a Penguins fan and honestly I found the hype around Crosby when he was a rookie was very obnoxious especially before he was drafted. That said there's no argument that puts him outside of the top 10 and really he'll finish his career as probably the second or third best all time
@jarofgames9620
6 ай бұрын
Liking what I am hearing Dangle everyone tries to sleep on Sid the Kid, but we all know if you sleep on Crosby he will split your defense and take it to the house every time.
@stephenmills2632
6 ай бұрын
I have no problem with that assessment. Alot of people forget that in the 70s and 80s, out of a 21 team league, 16 teams were going to the playoffs, so a team didnt have to be any good to make it in. in a 30 team league, the competition gets alot more tougher. I'm pretty sure one year in the 80s, one team got in the playoffs with 59 points or something crazy like that.
@Ramitupyourkilt
Ай бұрын
I got Mr. Howe 1.05 ppg, Gretzky 1.92 ppg, Lemieux 1.88 ppg, Defenseman Orr 1.39 ppg. There is no way Mr. Crosby 1.25 ppg is knocking Gordie Howe, in his prime, off the puck...or the Mount. Sorry gents, we're gonna have to add to the mountain. Might as well start carving out a spot for the absolute quickest, and maybe the fastest skater EVER to lace 'em up, McOnepointfive ppg, as well. Lol!
@robertbrown8900
4 ай бұрын
Crosby is one of the greatest players ever. But c'mon... he can't touch Gretzky, Orr, or Lemieux - I mean, really? Are you honestly saying that Crosby is better than the greatest defenseman of all time? C'mon. Howe scored over 800 goals and played the 2nd most games ever. He's Mr. Hockey, for a reason. Since none of us actually watched Howe play live, we have to base his greatness on stats and stories. I recall hearing an older gentleman describe Howe's playing style, back in the 90's when Lindros was dominating games.... this old dude asked me if I had ever watched Lindros play - I said 'yeah, of course'. He said "well, Howe was far better than Lindros - he was faster, stronger, and more physically imposing than Eric Lindros at his best" Are we gonna forget the greatness of Rocket Richard? 50 goals in 50 games in the NINETEEN FORTIES!. It took 36 years before another player scored 50 in 50. Richard was the all-time leading scorer until Howe broke his record. He won 8 Cups, I think. Is Crosby better than Beliveau, Esposito, Jagr, Messier, Francis, Trottier, Bobby Clarke, Ray Bourque, or Guy Lafleur? I would rank Beliveau, Espo, Jagr, Mess, and Bourque over Cros. Sure you could make a case that Sid is top-10 all time, but more likely he's on a tier with Bryan Trottier / Bobby Clarke. And another point: The whole 'stats adjusted for era' is total BS. We say players in the 2000's would have scored more if the goalie pads were smaller and the neutral zone trap wasn't a common defensive tactic. You could say players in the 80's would have scored even more, if they played with carbon composite sticks, and lighter pads/equipment, and modern training methods. How many more goals would Esposito and Lafleur have scored if they trained all year round (like today's players), and if they didn't smoke? If Gretz scored so much, because the goalies sucked, then how come no other players were able to score 200 points in a season while Gretz did it 4 times? No need to adjust stats based on the era. All in all, Sid is top 20, IMO. Eventually McDavid will eclipse Sid, as well.
@KaleFGB
6 ай бұрын
When you get top 5 it becomes more than stats, it’s about how they change hockey and the culture on and off the ice. That’s what Crosby lacks compared to those Top 3, maybe even 4 in Howe
@Court-r6v
6 ай бұрын
He's top 10 for sure
@Connor8609
6 ай бұрын
He was top 10 back in like 2018
@jackbrons4904
6 ай бұрын
A correction, you said 3 is the record for cups by a single player in the modern era but Chris Kunitz has 4 (2007, 2009, 2016, 2017)
@rockdet
5 ай бұрын
They said in the same team
@opinionaytedonhockey
6 ай бұрын
Pat Maroon has 3 cups with 31 teams, I think the only player to do so. GOAT?
@jsquared1013
2 ай бұрын
All 3 with the same team, while winning multiple personal awards in the same time frame? Didn't think so.
@campion04
6 ай бұрын
He’s in goat conversation. Without a doubt.
@michaelwoodall7922
6 ай бұрын
You Missed Kunitz. 3 with the Pens, (Plus one with Ducks)
@MaybeCaleb
6 ай бұрын
What's crazy is leon draisaitl is 3rd all time behind gretzki and lemieux in playoff points per game, mcdavid is fourth. Both are underpaid (8m and 13m). How in the world management hasn't won a cup blows my mind
@scottwill19
6 ай бұрын
There is no argument for Crosby being top 2. Zero. Mario had 2 points per game in a season he was under going cancer treatment. Case closed. I think at best Crosby can argued at be 4th because in order to argue for him to be at 3 you have to come up with a better reason than a defenseman winning Art Ross trophies.
@EvanSullivan-z6m
6 ай бұрын
Depends on how you list it, centres for sure heck he’s top 3 but overall he’s 5 if we don’t count goalies
@Thealexglass
6 ай бұрын
that jiu jitsu comment is underrated
@laronda10
3 ай бұрын
Crosby is goat, played amazingly in multiple eras. Way more dominance in the international play then gretzky. Problem with gretzky is most of his best years were played when the nhl didnt even have all of the best players in the world. No russians for like 8-10 years.
@sendtodevnull1269
5 ай бұрын
Like I have said before, Sidney Crosby has no flaws in his game. He is the best 2 way player we will ever see.
@Mythos131
6 ай бұрын
I think from 3rd - 5th is reasonable for Crosby. McDavid has time but he has to find his big game player mode like the others in this list. Even with the gold record, Ovi is not in the top 10.
@kevinpendergast5818
6 ай бұрын
He is Mount Rushmore for forwards, but with goalies like Roy/Hasek/Broduer/Dryden and defensemen like Orr/Lidstrom/Bourque I don't think he is Mount Rushmore overall. Also, championships in a 30 team league is a bit of a cherry picked stat. 3 in a 30 team league is not more impressive than 2 in a 30 team league and 2 in a 27 team one.
@mikegreck2625
3 ай бұрын
Yes. And there is a very solid argument for top 3
@MaverickRE
6 ай бұрын
I'm not 100% sure if he's top 4 of all time, I'd say he's easily top 10. likely just above Stevie Y and Sakic but to get top 4 how do you push off Orr, or Gordie or some of the other greats. Even with Mcdavid, outside of not winning a cup yet, his stats are likely going to be way crazier long term, so how do you keep him off that list? Where I'm sort of more curious is why the opinion of Ovechkin isn't that high? Likely because he's Russian and not Canadian, but at the end of both their career's they'll likely have very close to the same amount of points, but Ovi will have more individual awards by a landslide and he will have more all time records by a landslide. Not to mention that the most difficult thing to do in hockey is score goals... so, how do you keep the greatest goal scorer of all time off that list? I mean outside of cups (which are a team award and lets be honest, the Pens have had a much more stacked team for years than the Caps), if we are counting stats and accomplishments for who's on that top 4 list. Then Ovi's got more, so how is he not up there?
@AJeazy
6 ай бұрын
I'll say 6th. Put Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, Orr, and Bossy ahead of him and put him at 6th. He will in all likelihood be 5th or 4th in all time points when he's done playing. And ovechkin will not end close to the same amount of points as Crosby. Ovechkin is two years older than Crosby and is 50 points behind him already. So, if both retire at 40, Crosby has 4 more seasons and Ovechkin has 2.
@MaverickRE
6 ай бұрын
@AJeazy fair, although, Crosby will eventually slow down. Quite a bit. He could also retire early. That still doesn't change the fact that Ovechkin has more trophies and all time records
@jeanjacques9365
5 ай бұрын
@@MaverickREit's the impact and overall presence. Ovechkin has had a lot fewer years of end to end plays he became a one trick top of circle one timer guy which is a lot less impressive than a playmaker and if you look at them right now everyone would pick Sid over Ovi to make a team.
@MaverickRE
5 ай бұрын
@jeanjacques9365 I have to disagree there. Yes Ovi's shot from the circle is certainly something to be astonished by. But he's absolutely not a one trick pony. His in front garbage goals, his end to end rushing and even his play making skills are very under rated. Not to mention his does things Crosby does, like hit. He's one of the best leaders in the game. Etc. In my opinion anyone saying g Ovi is a one trick pony clearly hasn't been watching him play
@jeanjacques9365
5 ай бұрын
@@MaverickRE when compared to crosby and as i said his end to end plays WERE amazing but those days are long over in my book, you are right about the playstyle tho he played a hard game and thats why today he isn't doing as much as he used to. But Crosby plays both sides of the game and has for his whole career, he is the puck protection metric for the past 18 years basically. and he still put the team on his back at 36. I've always prefered Ovi growing up but today to me there isn't a comparaison between them anymore.
@yo-Rowe
6 ай бұрын
“It’s no disrespect of some of the legends” Yes iI is. Not intentionally so, but clearly it is. In no way does that short perspective respect, acknowledge, appreciate or recognize what the legends did. Saying no disrespect is an empty platitude if you weren’t there to see it. You won’t find a hockey person who saw Orr play rank him lower than third. The distance between Gretzky, Lemieux and Orr and who ever is fourth is a big gap. I’m a big Crosby fan but I don’t see how he could possibly crack the top three now. Winning 3 cups on the same team is not one of his big accomplishments and NO, it’s not that important. It is innumeracy to argue otherwise. Winning 3 cups on different teams is much more impressive but also not that important because teams win cups - not players. Dionne had zero cups and ranks much higher all time than Henri Richard who won 11 cups and that isn’t even a close call. If cups were an important measuring stick Henri would be the best player in history but he is not even top 50. I do think Crosby will end up around 5th, but it’s guys like the Rocket, Howe, Bossy and Messier that he has to pass. McDavid will likely be somewhere between 2nd and 4th before he is done.
@jeanjacques9365
5 ай бұрын
yeah i have a similar view, some of the arguments and only rely on stats you lose the spirit of the game. Dominance is much more and can hardly be put into a stat. Some of the legends had an aura that gets forgotten because well 50 in 50 was as good as it got. But yeah overall i will always put Lemieux over Gretzky, Orr and the rest is very era dependant and a matter of preferences.
@trevorlawrence310
6 ай бұрын
Don't forget Mike Bossy, Eric Lindros. Injures and early retirements...
@ssboooy4153
6 ай бұрын
What’s more annoying is that Lemieux, Crosby and Jagr played for the same team. And then you have Gretzky and McDavid…
@jsquared1013
2 ай бұрын
Jagr played for six teams, and that's just in the NHL, then you have to add Russian and Czech teams
@vipeholmskolan6052
6 ай бұрын
It's between him, Orr and Howe for 3rd, but McDavid will probably challenge them all when we have seen more of gis career.
@thelowgradehero4361
6 ай бұрын
Also back to back conn smythe winner.. no one on the blackhawks did that. In this era to win back to back conn smythes
@KaleFGB
6 ай бұрын
Ya but it’s pretty much agree on that he didn’t deserve both of those and was given bc of the name
@jackoakes1998
6 ай бұрын
Yes he is. that's the answer
@percys9427
6 ай бұрын
NHL needs a Hart Trophy for over 35 year old's
@JaknDax
6 ай бұрын
I think the argument was over 7 years ago for Sidney Crosby whom solidified himself as a top 5 player of all time. The rest is all gravy.
@safertobeanonymous2224
6 ай бұрын
Lol 2nd?? No. 2nd best pen? Maybe….. Wayne, Lemieux, oar, then we talk a half dozen players who can be discussed. But is he better then Howe, Jagr, Richard territory?
@johnwiens
6 ай бұрын
I really love Sid the kid, and he is a top 5 player for sure, but there is only one champion of longevity…
@davidreynolds6718
6 ай бұрын
Crosby is an all time great - definitely the second best player of his generation after Ovechkin.
@briangoat-b6b
6 ай бұрын
Yes
@editionsportscards
6 ай бұрын
Crosby is 6-7. Top 5 reserved for Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Howe and McDavid.
@jsquared1013
2 ай бұрын
McDavid isn't there yet. Raw talent wise, yes, accomplishments no.
@sampicano
6 ай бұрын
Yes. Mount Rushmore is - Howe - Orr - Lemieux - Gretzky But the Canadian generational talents are: - Howe - Orr - Lemieux - Gretzky - Lindros - Crosby - McDavid - (Maybe YOU...probably not you, probably Bedard)
@jackoakes1998
6 ай бұрын
- Gretzky - Lemieux - Sid - Jagr - Orr
@sampicano
6 ай бұрын
@@jackoakes1998 if you took off Howe for Jagr you are 100% dead wrong Howe did EVERYTHING JAGR did...and did it longer
@jackoakes1998
6 ай бұрын
@@sampicano Howe isn't doing anything against any of those guys. Howe laid the ground work but all those guys are more complete versions of him playing in a much tougher league then when he played. And Jagr's still going
@sampicano
6 ай бұрын
@@jackoakes1998 look up Howes stats and put them side by side against Jagr.... Jagr OWNS THE TEAM...and averages like 12 points a season...he will break Howe' record....playing in division 2 czechia... DIVISION 2 CZECHIA....... Yeah REAL impressive to not score ten goals in the second division of the Czech Rep.
@RIPJimmyA7X
6 ай бұрын
Last year Sid moved past Howe for me
@FloridaHockeyFan
6 ай бұрын
Gretzky, Mario , ovi (once he breaks the record) Bobby Orr, lidstrom (the most underrated defensemen of all time)
@Mythos131
6 ай бұрын
Getting the goal record won't move Ovi into the top 10, he's the best ever goal scored but he's not a top 10 player
@FloridaHockeyFan
6 ай бұрын
@@Mythos131 18 years 30+ goals.. stayed healthy his entire career. Won a cup and has a highlight reel of huge hits..
@Mythos131
6 ай бұрын
@@FloridaHockeyFan Gets him into the top 20
@FloridaHockeyFan
6 ай бұрын
@@Mythos131 being the greatest goal scorer gets you heads and shoulders above top 20. The era needs to factored in. Ovi did it during a much harder era of scoring.
@Mythos131
6 ай бұрын
@@FloridaHockeyFan No it doesn't. If Gretzky only had the top goals record no one would be talking about him and Lemieux would be the undisputed greatest ever. Except for a couple of years, Ovi is not a top points producer like everyone else in the top 10. Ovi struggles to the make top 50 some years--he just not a good enough hockey player.
@JackyJames1
6 ай бұрын
Come to Montreal you will never regret it
@bart1858
27 күн бұрын
How that even a question?
@elninoson5282
6 ай бұрын
Damn it's 2017 again
@TheGPS68
6 ай бұрын
Gretz Lemieux Jagr Orr Gordie Howe Crosby
@stevenlopez1717
6 ай бұрын
Yes. Alright next topic
@FloridaHockeyFan
6 ай бұрын
Has Crosby been great this year? Sure has… is he on a terrible team? Sure is… are we forgetting what happens to good players on terrible teams? Their stats are inflated. I think Crosby is great and having a resurrection of his career points wise. However he’s playing on a 2nd wildcard team battling for the last spot in the playoffs. He doesn’t belong in the heart or mvp race. All those saying remove kucherov and add Crosby have fallen down and bumped their head. Kucherov has over 50-60 points more than Crosby… lmao
@jayskate6631
6 ай бұрын
Yes but he’s not going to be in the top 5 long. Sadly injuries kept him from getting more then 2 art rosses and players will come up in the future winning 5+ like mcdavid and at least some of them will have playoff success as well.
@WolfgangGe
6 ай бұрын
Top 10 definitely … top 5 maybe but why are we discussing this before he’s even retired
@WolfgangGe
6 ай бұрын
It’s interesting when we discuss the “best players all time” your really just asking “best forwards all time” nobody ever name drops defenseman or goalies. Sometimes you’ll hear a Hasek or a Orr name dropped but really it’s almost always forwards just sayin
@NoOneYaKnow666
6 ай бұрын
I think he's a top 5'er for sure.
@bht824
6 ай бұрын
Top ten
@mattbi6180
6 ай бұрын
Yes. Yes he is.
@kvpunk881
6 ай бұрын
I love Sid, and I could see him 5th. But not higher, Mario, Gretzky, Howe and Orr have to be top 4.
@rorys3980
6 ай бұрын
I think his main issue is peak/prime years when comparing him to the top guys, and it's why I can't put him in that Gretzky/Lemieux/Orr group. What Crosby did at the top of his game just isn't comparable to what Gretzky, Lemieux and Orr did. Of course part of that is Crosby's missed time in that 2010/11-2012/13 stretch, but even if you string that together, I don't think it compares to what the others did. Gretzky is in his own world with more than a decade of the best seasons of all time, and Orr has a clear stretch of 5+ years of being miles ahead of his competition with video game numbers. And Lemieux, despite everything working against him with injuries and illness, still put up a handful of the best seasons of all-time over the course of a decade+, and some of those seasons include when he was dealing with those issues. 1992/93, which was one of the highest scoring seasons ever with so many players putting up career years, he had 104 points in 40 games (31 ahead of 2nd place Lafontaine), then was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. Missed 2 months (24 games) and came back still in 2nd place in scoring but down 12 points (116-104) to LaFontaine in the Art Ross Race. Plays the last 20 games of the season at an even better pace than he had before to beat Lafontaine by 12 points (160-148). The most notorious year for massive individual efforts around the league (that season had 21 100-point scorers when the next highest season has 16), and he breezed to a scoring title despite missing 2 months with cancer treatment. And that's one example of many for Lemieux, his 2000/01 season was even more amazing than that. Crosby is awesome, but what he's done just isn't at that kind of level, or at the level of Gretzky/Lemieux. That 2010/11 season was shaping up to be his all-time best season, and he was at 66 points in 41 games when he got injured, which was 10 points ahead of Stamkos for 2nd place. Amazing, incredible, all those adjectives you can use, but it's not the same as those others. The Howe one is the more interesting comparison to me, because there's more similarities with it being based on longevity, but I still think Howe should have that top 4 spot. The 6-team era is always going to be a drawback for Howe, but he did finish no lower than 5th in scoring in 20 straight seasons. Crosby's longevity is beyond impressive, but Howe's durability and consistency still is unequalled. And his own peak in the early 50s is underrated, his 4 straight Art Ross wins he won by a margin of 21.4% over 2nd place. Only Gretzky, Morenz and Cowley (in a World War 2 year) have won an Art Ross by a higher margin than that average. Around that same time he also led playoffs in scoring 3 of his 6 overall times and won 4 Cups. 1952/53 in particular is one of the greatest seasons of all time. 95-71 edge on linemate Ted Lindsay in the scoring race, 95-61 lead on Maurice Richard for closest non-teammate, who are two of the best of all time in their own right. As a comparison to 2022/23 McDavid (153 points, teammate Draisaitl in 2nd with 128, Pastrnak closest non-teammate at 113), it would be like if McDavid had 153 points, Draisaitl was 2nd with 114 points, and Pastrnak was 3rd with 98 points.
@Connor8609
6 ай бұрын
The Howe debate is wide open.@@rorys3980
@Billeh556
5 ай бұрын
YES
@Connor8609
6 ай бұрын
Yes. #4 . Next.
@redherring4119
6 ай бұрын
Gretzky and Lemieux are top 2 until further notice. Only guy with a chance to break that duopoly is Mcdavid but he needs cups. After that we can start talking about Crosby compared to the others. I think he's at the very least top 10 for sure.
@flyingtiger1603
6 ай бұрын
Top 5 in my opinion have to be divided by position because forwards, defence, goaltenders are all different. In my opinion top five for Forwards: Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, Jagr, Ovechkin. For defence: Orr, Bourque, Coffey, Makar, Lidstrom. For goalies: Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Dryden and Sawchuk.
@jarofgames9620
6 ай бұрын
You are absolutely moronic to place Ove over Crosby.
@BangHeadShotDed
6 ай бұрын
bad troll is bad
@flyingtiger1603
6 ай бұрын
@@BangHeadShotDed Are u drunk?
@BangHeadShotDed
6 ай бұрын
@@flyingtiger1603 a bad troll is being bad at being a troll. Would you like it in crayon?
@flyingtiger1603
6 ай бұрын
@@BangHeadShotDed why not? Sounds like that’s what you normally use anyway.
@Mulukkis
5 ай бұрын
Yes, yes he is.
@thedukeparty
6 ай бұрын
He’s #3 on my list
@KaleFGB
6 ай бұрын
Ridiculous
@tymacdougall3140
6 ай бұрын
200 foot game he’s the goat
@neme6ben
6 ай бұрын
2nd best? No, he wont pass lemieux at no2. Gretzky and lemieux will remain the top 2 forever probably
@zorigooleo
6 ай бұрын
What a joke. He is on the same level as Gretzky at least. Greatest complete player of all time.
@avalac7412
6 ай бұрын
Crosby is definitely better than Gretzky people know it but don’t wanna admit it 😂
@KaleFGB
6 ай бұрын
Greatest complete player is Bobby Orr. Even Federov and Datsyuk are more complete. Crosby might be 5
@michaelhiltz7846
6 ай бұрын
Hockey Mount Rushmore has to be; Richard, Howe, Gretzky, Crosby. If you want to add a 5th it has to be Orr
@stangsswang8355
6 ай бұрын
TOP 3
@KevinWood44
5 ай бұрын
#2 all time
@SamuelRichard-c9u
6 ай бұрын
Crosby #1 all time.
@KaleFGB
6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@tylergreene9316
6 ай бұрын
2nd all time is wild. 4th best max
@davidcutler1486
5 ай бұрын
no doubt top 5
@vincentd.2284
6 ай бұрын
Not above Lemieux and Gretzky.
@borisslager1906
6 ай бұрын
Jagr can't hold a candle to lemeiux
@borisslager1906
6 ай бұрын
Lemeiux is the second greatest ever. Without cancer, he could have been the greatest.
@CoreyD_42
6 ай бұрын
Not even close.
@mcj44
6 ай бұрын
He easily is, anyone that thinks otherwise just wants to be different.
@CoreyD_42
6 ай бұрын
@@mcj44 I can name 5 Red Wings alone that are higher lol
@mcj44
6 ай бұрын
@@CoreyD_42 You simply cant…pure delusion
@CoreyD_42
6 ай бұрын
@@mcj44 Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Lindsay are all locks to be above Crosby. Try to argue otherwise lol
@mcj44
6 ай бұрын
@@CoreyD_42 Howe is the only debate.
@anul6801
6 ай бұрын
McDavid Forsberg Lemieux Lindros Jagr
@creepyrobsta5509
6 ай бұрын
You are nuts. No Wayne Gretzky?
@shibbyjim
6 ай бұрын
Crosby lost to Bruins looking like they done now. Anyways McDavid> Crosby
@TBoneJohnny
6 ай бұрын
Ovechkin better than Crosby
@outerfroggy1
6 ай бұрын
He's definitely top 5 all time in crybaby temper tantrums
@TheLivewire18
6 ай бұрын
And you’re top 5 all time in bad takes.
@justinstewart3248
6 ай бұрын
Lol 15 years ago maybe. He’s a seasoned elder statesman now.
@BangHeadShotDed
6 ай бұрын
bad troll is bad
@handsomejustin
5 ай бұрын
McDavid sits comfortably at #1 Crosby I would put him top 10 out of top 5. But if we're only going by skills alone, I would say all current players are better than past players. So Leo Drasatil is #2 all time. #3 Nathan Mackinnon
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