Yeah I don’t get why we are using an R from two generations ago. They stopped making it in 2014.
@kahless0173
2 жыл бұрын
This wasn't about fair. The golf read even tuned to near current golf r power levels. It was about how technology has progressed
@PapiAndrey
2 жыл бұрын
A stock Mk6 should do the quarter mile in 14@100mph, a stage one should be in the low-mid 13’s at around 104-107mph. I understand it’s not sea level, but it could’ve been driven more aggressively. I guess this video shows what most people in the real world would run. A Mk8 golf r would destroy all the cars in the video
@rjsoderlund81
2 жыл бұрын
@@PapiAndrey I want to see the mini and the R somewhere at normal altitude.
@mikewhitehead50
2 жыл бұрын
how would that be more fair? it's irrelevant. the Golf actually being stationary while starting would be more fair.
@jeffr6280
2 жыл бұрын
"unlike your vehicle, this one takes skill".....proceeds to almost stall upon launch...lol. Point made. lol
@stickylightning852
2 жыл бұрын
The Volvo just pulls and pulls until it reaches the 112 mph limit.
@rondail5675
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to have the Kia EV6.
@OtterlyInsane
2 жыл бұрын
Golf GTI wasn’t the first hot hatch. The Simca 1100Ti predated it by 3 years, and the Renault 5 Alpine / Gordini came out 3 months before the Golf GTI went on sale in Germany.
@Stuka87
2 жыл бұрын
They meant for the US market I am sure. Neither of those cars were ever sold here.
@jaffsharp769
2 жыл бұрын
Not in America.
@OtterlyInsane
2 жыл бұрын
@@jaffsharp769 And it may not have been the first hot hatch sold in the US either based on it only coming out there in 1983. V8 AMC Pacer might be the first maybe?
@jaffsharp769
2 жыл бұрын
@@OtterlyInsane gti FIRST in USA, get over it.
@OtterlyInsane
2 жыл бұрын
@@jaffsharp769 under the definition of a hot hatch, it wasn’t the first anywhere. Not sure why you are so committed to an incorrect “fact”
@Off-Road10
2 жыл бұрын
15+ 1/4 mile for the golf r ouch. I remember seeing these run high 13s when they first came out. That elevation really hurts the performance of that car.
@PapiAndrey
2 жыл бұрын
Either that or the driver isn’t doing it right. It should run low 13’s or high 12’s with whatever tune he’s running. Maybe he doesn’t want to destroy the clutch, elevation doesn’t make as big of a difference for turbocharged cars. Of course it does and moreso at that elevation, but he should at least do 13’s with a proper launch and shifting at the correct rpm
@9663mu
2 жыл бұрын
Loving this nee 1/4 mile Track guys. Very nicely done securing it.
@TFLcar
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment
@aussie2uGA
2 жыл бұрын
@@TFLcar I'm hoping you'll create an official off road track/path on the new ranch so you can compare vehicle capability and times consistently. Similar to the top gear board, would be fun to see and track rankings through the next several years.
@kevinbarry71
2 жыл бұрын
If you think the joy of a hot hatch is about drag racing; you really missed the Point
@rjsoderlund81
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Throw in some handling and not only does the Golf win by a mile, but the driver has the biggest smile when it's over.
@Toyota4Life
2 жыл бұрын
Yikes bad showing for the golf R to get by that mini lol
@PapiAndrey
2 жыл бұрын
Lol bad indeed, a stock one should have no problem leaving it in the dust. A stock Gti (same generation) puts down better numbers in all aspects except the same 0-30 time. 5mph higher trap speed too. Must be the driver or elevation, maybe both.
@OlJackBurton
2 жыл бұрын
Roman didn't do "roll-out" with the Golf R, but a rolling start or what Car And Driver used to call the "street start" or 5-60. Which is the most accurate measure of how fast a car consistently is, taking out much of the variables like traction issues, surface type, and human error (for launching). But by using this metric, most cars (non EVs) are no where near as fast as most people believe they are...
@dalejones4322
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the drag races. Great video. I imagine how some of the races would have turned out differently at the old track. Thanks guys
@_shreyash_anand
2 жыл бұрын
Does the American EV6 have a different front bumper? It looks so much sleeker, and IMO, better than the international version
@Xaid0nTT
2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the spec, the basic 'Air' has this bumper, and the GT has a more angular bumper.
@shitloveaduck
2 жыл бұрын
13 second family cars,,, hard to do in my 69 Camaro 396, approx 14.5 second car, but my 67 Mustang,,,,,, in the high 12s now that I replaced the more base 302 with a 345 Stroker!! (On street slicks). I have easily as much money in my classics, but they appreciate. The fuel economy is stellar in these!! Depending in how I drive I can get double digits mpg 😂😂😂. I really like that Volvo!!!!! It might just, jussttt, edge out the Golf R for me Roman,,,,,, but I generally appreciate your great taste!
@MrAmtrak207
2 жыл бұрын
Must have been the aftermarket wheels on the Cooper SE.... As always, the overarching question is "How much does it weigh?" The point to the Mini is that you are not dragging around as much dead weight as the 200+ mile range cars. This favors efficiency over the brute force solution of just adding more batteries. Now that the winter is over, I'm averaging 5.0 miles per kilowatt hour again. All these other heavyweights can't come close to that. The EPA range estimate is totally detached from reality. I live seven miles away from work. It is doubly wasteful to haul around all that weight just to put your mind at ease that you're not going to run out of power. Then you will be penalized twice because cars with more battery capacity take longer to charge and will cost more to run. If you can align your life with the needs of the vehicle by charging at work or charging while you are at your destinations, then an EV works for you. If you can't do that, then it probably won't end well. I am able to charge at work, and afterward, I can bring a bike and charge the car while I go out and ride. This both recharges the car and encourages me to get more miles in on the bike. Mission accomplished. The instant it rains or snows or the road has curves in it you will be reminded that force equals mass times acceleration, no matter what the marketing department does to obscure that. The car weight death spiral is alive and well. Before, they would throw in an engine capable of accelerating the vehicle, but that's not fast enough, so they made a larger, heavier engine, with a larger fuel tank, and bigger wheels and tires. That put the weight up, so the body structure had to get reinforced, which added even more weight, until eventually you end up requiring an even larger engine with an even larger fuel tank and even bigger wheels, and once the weight crossed a certain value, AWD became more important, and so the weight goes up.... where does it end? For every single pound (or kilogram or whatever) that the weight goes up, it requires more energy to move it. I believe Mini engineers deserve a lot of credit for keeping the weight to a reasonable value, despite everyone's howls of protest about the limited range. Science. Specifically physics.
@stevenswann2835
2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the clearest and best summations I've seen. I too own a Mini SE and it is remarkably efficient - because of the smaller battery and lighter weight. There is a huge law of diminishing returns with EV batteries, performance and range. Many larger EVs have nearly 300% the battery size and weight of my Mini for ~50% more range.
@jlautomotive6349
2 жыл бұрын
Just have to say really like the ending credits!! Nice job 👍 Another great video guys!! Keep up the incredible work!!
@AnotherSimpleDayinUS
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, did the TFL team get a Rivian for review? I saw the Out of spec reviews took delivery of Rivian. Can't wait to see a similar review from TFL as a fan.
@MrPAULONEAL
2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't in middle school 10 years ago either...
@morgandrives
2 жыл бұрын
Ok. A tuned older R. 👍
@Bikerbug2020
2 жыл бұрын
Tommy you couldn’t possibly run out of range if you go from your house to the Whole Foods and back, I am sure that it is only 5 or 6 miles round trip. LOL
@Toyeboy89
2 жыл бұрын
It sounds fun to have an EV because they’re quick but then I remember the whole reason is to save money on electricity over gas. I’m sure if you launch it like that all the time gonna get horrible mi/kWh.
@NoxNoctisUmbra
2 жыл бұрын
"this thing goes like an absolute stabbed rat" got to love Tommy's lines.
@rcn5008
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that quote is from Top Gear but perhaps I’m wrong.
@xziang
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you are doing a 1/4 mile now. :)
@Mausy5043
10 ай бұрын
"Sport mode" is the biggest marketing scam ever. When you floor it, the selected mode is moot.
@devongee1776
2 жыл бұрын
Race between the EV6, Volvo, and Mini doesn't happen until 12:30. You're welcome.
@snupermoto723
2 жыл бұрын
Which of these vehicle's was the most engaging to drive?
@prrnrngr
2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it.
@jbm0866
2 жыл бұрын
The hot hatch as we know it is dead not because its not a viable and compelling mode of transportation, but rather legislation taking away our choices soon. I have no issue at all with EV's co-exisiting with ice engine cars, I do have an issue with glorified golf carts being our ONLY option soon. If it's all about 0-60, EV's win. My boss has a Challenger Hellcat redeye, 2018 Golf GTI, 2019 Tesla model S....guess which one he drives daily down the winding road from his hilltop home. (His wife has her own car so that isnt a factor)
@prrnrngr
2 жыл бұрын
Appliances is what we will be forced to drive soon. Get in, shut up, and let the car drive you. I'll ride a tandem bicycle by myself before I drive electric.
@jbm0866
2 жыл бұрын
@@prrnrngr I have no issue with EV's in and of themselves, its a very cool experience the first time. What I do have issue with is ice being legislated out of existence, and for what? Unless we collectively get over our fear of nuclear power, many more natural gas powered plants will need to be built to meet the demand of millions more EV's on the worlds roads. Wind, solar and hydro are nice supplements, but cant begin to approach the efficiency and reliability of gas and coal fueled power plants. This whole EV push seems like a temporary measure before everyone is herded into mass transit.
@carbide1968
2 жыл бұрын
15. 76 was the big scary golf time? lol get out of here.
@davidgrisco1939
2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I see a Kia on the road I've got to sing, "Ka-Ka-Ka-Kia" ...like the Chia Pet commercial. :)
@tarfeef101
2 жыл бұрын
8:40 okay offroad video when, then? :D
@10cpaul
2 жыл бұрын
Roman probably 40 years ago WE were in middle school!! haha
@72tubedmiaz
2 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite type of comparison you guys film
@erikstephens34
2 жыл бұрын
Peak horsepower numbers don't give the full picture. They work alright when comparing a combustion vehicle to another. Or EV's to one another. But not great for comparing an EV to a combustion vehicle. That's because combustion vehicles generate a relatively fine peak in their horsepower curve. While an EV has a much flatter power curve. So while a combustion vehicle might have a higher peak horsepower. The average power of an EV might be higher even with a lower peak.
@carstech2685
2 жыл бұрын
unfair to the golf R its a really old model comparing to new tech , could of had a newer model or use a golf r with a dsg at least
@stevepadua
2 жыл бұрын
How many miles are on the Golf R...turbo charged and still strong!
@stephenmorrissey1254
2 жыл бұрын
In 2007 Edmunds tested a Ferrari 308 against a Kia Minivan. Guesses which won the 1/4 mile?
@RogerM88
2 жыл бұрын
With the latest shortages with supply chains for battery production, and increase in manufacturing costs, won't be surprised with a switch in agenda towards Hydrogen powered cars.
@TheCapn23
2 жыл бұрын
I ordered my Bronco in October last year, been on hold since January. And I have a barebones, no tech options, manual transmission 2.3 4cyl model. It's all vehicles suffering from supply chain issues, I'm afraid.
@RogerM88
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCapn23 exactly. Not helping too, this trend to have almost an iPad on wheels full of technological features.
@jghall00
2 жыл бұрын
Because hydrogen cars don't have chips or other parts in short supply? Lucid can't even get carpet and windshields. Hydrogen is stupid for motive power. Too many conversion losses and no storage or transport infrastructure. That's why it has never taken off.
@buzzpedrotti5401
2 жыл бұрын
New EVs offer some new benefits and a few severe limitations. But this test is kinda persuasive. A ordinary car that accelerates like an E550 is an attractive proposition, until you realize it's more expensive than an e550. In 8 years when these $$ cars are in the $20k range, they might be a fun affordable purchase. If the body and trim age well and the range/battery remain above 200 miles. Nice to be out of the auto marketplace. Too many too many ways now for decisions to go wrong at very high cost.
@Van_Liberty
2 жыл бұрын
Uhhh, dear old dad rolled early on you, Tommy in the Golf vs. Minnie race...
@TrayCaddyyy
2 жыл бұрын
I saw a video where a Nissan Leaf beat a Honda S2000 in a drag race. Crazy what non performance EVs can do to older performance ICE cars.
@victorfu6332
2 жыл бұрын
That golf r should be at least in the low 14s especially with a tune on it.
@victorfu6332
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe high 14s but can’t be any more than that
@TFLcar
2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind we’re a mile above sea level.
@abbaby555
2 жыл бұрын
Run those against an i-pace and a mach e
@H8onG
2 жыл бұрын
Big ups for the intro music
@dano7145
2 жыл бұрын
A fun video! If the goal was to generate some excitement for would-be affordable-EV shoppers, I"d say, "Mission accomplished!" But... I'd like to see the same vehicles on a road course. As you know, there's far more to the Golf R (even a 10-year-old one) than straight-line performance.
@KP-xi4bj
2 жыл бұрын
Because EVs are only fast in a straight line. When the road bends EVs cannot touch an ICE car.
@toyota420xp
2 жыл бұрын
It would be a different story if it was a mk8
@jasonquaile2492
2 жыл бұрын
Put them on the track and see if the golf is still last
@suazzz3070
2 жыл бұрын
Where is this track at?
@williamoneil5696
2 жыл бұрын
Just get the latest VW Golf R and do it all again. Even if the Golf looses, at least is more fair.
@shitloveaduck
2 жыл бұрын
97+ mph at the end of the 1/4 in those conditions with the VW was really decent Roman!, Gotta sacrifice that clutch a little more Roman,,,,, can’t let all that out so soon, the car is heavy and all 4 wheel are biting VERY hard. Of course, easier said than done. If it was my new to me 69 Camaro Yenko (Tribute only) with the 396,,,, even with excellent tires,,,,, I would still be smoking the tires at the 1/8th mile!!! Hahaha. I’m not the one to “do”, I can only “teach”!!😂😂😂 Very fun comparo fellas!!!!
@TFLcar
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words
@Spoolingturbski
2 жыл бұрын
The Volvo Recharge is quick. Had it been the Hybrid… Thing is beating AMGs
@brandondyck20
2 жыл бұрын
Would be a quite interesting a Le Mans style drive with these set of vehicles. Which would last the longest?
@Joeromano95
2 жыл бұрын
How's about a race across the country. Bet the gas wins.
@adamchoi8136
2 жыл бұрын
Man these cars are wild. Regardless or speed I will miss the exhaust notes and burbles from ICE vehicles.
@aussie2uGA
2 жыл бұрын
Some want to go fast, others like to sound like they're going fast.
@calderondennis
2 жыл бұрын
@@aussie2uGA some like to wrench on cars like me, others can't even change a tire
@lplt
2 жыл бұрын
i got 4.68 0-60 in my ioniq 5
@jackdaniels2905
2 жыл бұрын
Make a video of a hot lap, same vehicle line up.
@scottroberts5529
2 жыл бұрын
I think my Golf R can gap all those ev's in that video I have a 7.5 Golf R tunned pushing close 440hp dsg tunned
@jayrichards3672
2 жыл бұрын
Not getting the stabbed rat reference, The little drag race they got there will usually end a predictable way. Nothing will beat electric off the line and the eighth mile. at a quarter mile ICE begins to win a few and in a race for any length engines will usually over take the EV. There can be exceptions and those are the comparisons I'd love to see. I wish someone would show up with a Lucid!
@jghall00
2 жыл бұрын
You want to see the exceptions... but the Lucid will smoke anything short of a Plaid.
@jayrichards3672
2 жыл бұрын
@@jghall00 yea I'd love to see the lucid and plaid racing
@jghall00
2 жыл бұрын
@@jayrichards3672 Dragtime and Hagerty did the Plaid vs the Lucid. The Plaid wins. It's also cheaper. But the Lucid is nicer and has far more range. If Lucid comes out with a tri-motor model it will beat the Plaid for sure.
@jayrichards3672
2 жыл бұрын
@@jghall00 love to see results of 10 mile race among all ICE 🧊 prolly for the win 🏆
@homiedclown19
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry but there is nothing engaging about driving electric vehicles ... Definitely not the choice for enthusiasts
@jghall00
2 жыл бұрын
Oh...I don't know. Instant torque is like being in low gear all the time. And regen is kind of like downshifting. It's like commuting in a very fast golf kart. And no more weekly fillups. Full charge every morning.
@jackdaniels2905
2 жыл бұрын
They fast AF boi.
@tonychau1983
2 жыл бұрын
Only mod they can do is shave weight
@4literv6
2 жыл бұрын
How many have you actually driven though? The model 3 perf is a point n shoot hoot of a car to drive. There are a few modified one's running some serious track time's now to. 👍🏻
@homiedclown19
2 жыл бұрын
@@4literv6 I've only experienced the entry level electric and hybrid models - Certainly nothing like a model 3. That said, being a Subaru enthusiast, the immediate loss for me is the combustion engine sound and I'm a manual guy at heart.
@jbm0866
2 жыл бұрын
Ancient hot hatches versus a couple ev's with instant torque..really fair guys. How about pitting the EV's against the ultimate hot hatch, Porsche Macan GTS (lets be honest about what it is) or even the GR Corolla once its released?
@DM72513
2 жыл бұрын
My 2003 MKIV GTI 1.8T 5 speed did a faster 1/4 mile stock. With 180 HP. Either you can't drive or that Golf R is running in limp mode lol.
@lanceripplinger8352
2 жыл бұрын
Love the content, keep it coming! 😀😀
@lexus1377
2 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@ManuelRodriguez001
2 жыл бұрын
This was really fun!
@manuelias86
2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the Corolla GR
@FrankySilverFace
2 жыл бұрын
We are ALL DOOMED!!
@yellowsnowman9157
2 жыл бұрын
Golf R isn't and has never been designed for 1/4 mile. It's about balance and around town. You can toss it around corners much easier and it's way more fun than the muted battery vehicles
@jeep2003
2 жыл бұрын
Wow that new Kia emblem is atrocious! I saw a teluride today I thought that was some gang symbol the owner stuck on there but now i see its factory.
@frank3722
2 жыл бұрын
Why not compare the Golf R to a 8 year old electric? Not a fair fight. you should have used cars all from the same year.
@wzDH106
2 жыл бұрын
I'm willing to bet an 8 year old Tesla S would probably take the Mini and R, degraded battery included. Aside from that, what other EV was there 8 years ago? A Nissan Leaf?
@zilboubmalyzayatsky5466
2 жыл бұрын
mini the worst électrique car ever OMFG -
@itgoesfast2722
2 жыл бұрын
Take them all to a road course and run 10 laps and see what happens. I am sure the gas powered car will make those EVs look bad. EVs are great until you have to stop or turn hard and repetitive….
@wzDH106
2 жыл бұрын
Against the Golf R? Maybe against the Mini. The Mini SE is known to throttle down early. But the Kia and Volvo will no doubt stay with it for a bit, the Kia is a rapid charging monster, with a cooling system that can most likely keep up. The Volvo performance, even degraded, will probably lap the R at a mile above sea level. If they do laps, I hope they reinstall those OE performance tires on the Mini SE. But I have a feeling they'll keep the lackluster Cross Climate 2 for laps. Fair game if they're all rocking similar shoes.
@roguedogx
2 жыл бұрын
also, while it's completely irrelevant to the drag race, nice collection of cars.
@datboyke
2 жыл бұрын
Ahahahhahahahahaha i knew this day would come electric cars FTW
@mikek5298
2 жыл бұрын
Really? Will you say that when you are sitting on the side of the road, out if electricity, while gasoline powered cars smoothly cruise by you?
@manoloorz
2 жыл бұрын
cars peaked in the 2010's
@zilboubmalyzayatsky5466
2 жыл бұрын
LOL VOLVO lol this brand is already DEAD
@ScoobyFermentation
2 жыл бұрын
You guys owe Kyle a beer from Out of Spec for him finding that runway…
@TFLcar
2 жыл бұрын
Is that after the beers he owes TFL for finding the IMI racetrack for his track reviews and the Ironclads for his off-road reviews?
@ALMX5DP
2 жыл бұрын
@@TFLcar hopefully that was meant to be a funny response and not a indication that you guys are actually keeping track of who owes who.
@rondail5675
2 жыл бұрын
Roman can yell I'll Ketchup all day. He should try yelling Mustard 😜
@SimonLaudati
2 жыл бұрын
☝🏻
@buckeyepatriot3142
2 жыл бұрын
You keep doing drag races with electric vs. gas cars and we all know the electric will win. How about a one day 700 mile vacation trip and see who gets to the destination first!
@barrymccormick8827
2 жыл бұрын
So TFL is copying CARWOW…now. They have been doing these types of races and tests for the last 5 years. Gee even the start is the same and on an airstrip 😂
@twolazeblue9614
2 жыл бұрын
Instead of drag racing, do a who can get the best range or even best mpg on a track
@akashsarma8241
2 жыл бұрын
Yes can’t wait to drive a electric blender to work
@jghall00
2 жыл бұрын
Being first off the line all the time doesn't get tired.
@OldThomMerton
2 жыл бұрын
Roman cheated. . . . shocking.
@KP-xi4bj
2 жыл бұрын
You might as well race against the Ford Model T and then declare EVs is the sh*t and the future. SMH
@PhillyDee215
2 жыл бұрын
MAN GAS POWERED CARS WILL BE A THING IN THE PAST SOON😯
@mikek5298
2 жыл бұрын
Not at my house.
@PhillyDee215
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikek5298 MINE NEITHER🤫
@ALMX5DP
2 жыл бұрын
Yup some people still have horses in their stable too, just about what fits your lifestyle.
@PhillyDee215
2 жыл бұрын
@@ALMX5DP WE DON'T EVEN SEE AS MANY REAL HORSES AS WE USE TO😅
@ALMX5DP
2 жыл бұрын
@@PhillyDee215 true but enthusiasts find a way if they want it enough.
@mxpx148
2 жыл бұрын
Don’t care how much faster EVs are…I’d take that Golf R over even a Plaid all day long. EVs have no soul.
@jghall00
2 жыл бұрын
EVs also have no gas bill and virtually no maintenance. VWs have no reliability in ICE form.
@mxpx148
2 жыл бұрын
@@jghall00 being a car enthusiast, I’m just fine with paying gas/maintenance bills. ICEs don’t have a tendency to blowup/catch fire while parked charging overnight either. Also, while they don’t have maintenance, EVs, namely Tesla, have a lot of problems of their own, including quality control and assembly issues before they even hit the road. I have a Jeep and a Subaru…I can get a short block for either for $2-3.5k if/when my engine goes. No $15-20k batteries for either of them.
@ALMX5DP
2 жыл бұрын
I think you guys just proved that there are pros and cons to everything. As someone who claims to be a car enthusiast, I’ll happily take both and choose depending on what my mood or preference is for the day.
@4literv6
2 жыл бұрын
@@mxpx148 over 200,000+ ice fires in 2021 alone in the us would seem to contradict your statement. Might want to check how many cars various ice manufacturer's have under recall right now for risk of catching fire, yes even while parked. Hint it's in the millions upon millions. Ford actually leads the way with the amount of recalls per vehicle sold. 😁
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