I am an old timer in my 60's. I have built Suzuki Samurais and Suzuki LJ80 with lockers front and back, and run 38 inch boggers on them.I tell ya what. Sammy axles are WAY smaller than the jeep axles.I also have a few old YJ jeeps with the 30/35 combo and have run 35 and 37 inch tires for thousands of KMs. (I am in Canada). There is no doubt that if a person does not have the skills or the finesse to crawl along, and be smart enough to use the winch when you need to, then you are going to break parts. I suppose because I am an old trapper, I always had to make due with whatever I could afford, and so I learned how to drive gently. To me, the Dana 30/35 combo works just fine. Let the rich folks build their jeeps into one ton trucks with a jeep body if they want to. . I prefer to test my skills and make it through the bad stuff in an actual Jeep.
@SarahSmith-hd8kd
4 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY people are usually just plain dumb with the mentality of "just slam a v8 in that xj N 1tons ur good" well news flash unibody cherpkees especially will be ripped apart if not framed N boxed out at every corner wich mine is by the way but I'm one of very few who will go the distance with that, and people don't usually even have any REAL skill offroad and are probably dumber then the rock they slammed down on. I will say this had 8xjs so far this ladt one is the BEST by far but I ditched the weak ass dana 35 for a ford 8.8" partly cause of the easy swap and31 spline rear disc brake upgrade and partly cause I was not going to run 37" locked front and rear N break down alone offroad cause I like to go alone sometimes but the front is a DANA 30HP trussed, c-gussets, Weld in inner tube sleeves not slam in ones and the WJ dual piston HUGE brake upgrade and HD mevotech balljoints from rockauto.com and sir let me tell ya it's a monster and I pick my lines well with skill enough said. Yes its ALOT of time N effort but who in reality won't drain their wallet in there 4x4 who are REALLY into wheeing I mean really add it all up and it's worth every penny to me to stay away from the HEAVY headaches of the one ton axles swaps just thought I'd share my experience and thoughts hope this reaffirm sort of what you said and your opinion🙂
@Shagggdude3
2 жыл бұрын
Good advice. 1 tons are double the weight, and with large tires, require more power to run, and the XJ drive train, just wasn't designed for it, nor was the unibody frame, by the time you beef up the body, you've added 2k pounds. And then you're gonna want add tools, and recovery gear.....
@timpeterson87
Жыл бұрын
Well said. This reply has ended the debate in my mind about it. I had a feeling this was the case.
@bcb2585
4 жыл бұрын
I ran a Cherokee for years with the stock Dana 30 with 34 inch tires. My parents gave it to me and my brother in high school. He and I ran that Jeep HARD; we were kids. We ramped it, sank it in mud holes, drove fast over crappy rocky trails, and knew nothing about axle gear ratios or mechanical limitations. We never broke anything on that Jeep. We racked up over 300,000 miles before it was totaled years later by our little sister. I watch KZitem now and see so many videos about how the Dana 30 sucks. If I didn't know what I personally put that Cherokee through I might believe that the Dana 30 sucks; but I know better. Maybe if a guy puts 37 inch tires, a front locker, massive lift, and does technical rock crawling, then I suppose there could be problems. I don't know. I will say though, for your average off-roader, even for the person that gets irresponsible on the trail from time to time, as long as your Jeep is mostly stock, you shouldn't worry. In my opinion, with a mostly stock Jeep, your suspension limitations will most likely keep you off the trails that are the kind that will put the Dana 30 at risk. The more modifications you do, the more you need to do. Change one thing, you need to change 2. Change 2 things, then that causes two more you need to change. Like lifting the jeep... new springs means new shocks. Higher ride height means control arms. Larger tires means new gear ratios. The more you do, the more you in turn have to do on top of what you did. A Dana 30 is bulletproof for a Jeep that maintains a mostly stock configuration. My Cherokee back in the day had a 1 inch body lift and 34 inch tires. Other than that, it was bone stock. My new-ish 2015 JKU has much more work done to it, and the more I do to it, the more cautious I am about wheeling hard. I think that's funny. The more capable I make my rig, the more conscious I become of its limitations.
@keniferusxj7047
5 жыл бұрын
I run a 30 with chromoly shafts and a ausie locker with 35’s .. I’ve beat it up never had a problem
@KyleSVT
7 жыл бұрын
35s no lift here too! So many ppl telling me how my jeep doesn't work lol
@StrainingDingelberry
6 жыл бұрын
The Dana 30 is really stronger than it should be I wouldn’t put 40s on it but it really can take some abuse. I’m running same setup as you axle wise and I love it. Hope to put a locker in my 30 soon.
@ajas6580
6 жыл бұрын
I have been running 37s on my stock d30 for 30000 miles. I have changed out ball joints once,it is geared to 488 and I have a big brake kit on it,that's it. I wheel it one to two times a month in colorado... no joke
@kevinwhite9761
3 жыл бұрын
People want you to spend money that they have but you don’t.
@Shagggdude3
2 жыл бұрын
The WWW, as usual doesn't know WTF their talking about, the HPD 30 is a exceptional axel, and a great platform for beefing up.
@alexfred8789
6 жыл бұрын
Dana 30s are fine with 35s just know how to drive and know it’s limits . Dime a dozen
@SarahSmith-hd8kd
4 жыл бұрын
You could be like Rusty411 and run even 40" lol but really truss, inner tube WELD in sleeves and c gussets swap to mevotech HD balljoints rockauto.com and if you're doing all that like I am almost done with now might as well do the WJ knuckle swap brake upgrade and of course all the linkage upgrades that need to be or should be done as well and hey i will be trying 40"s till I hear a break after I burn through my brand new 35s my favorite BFG KM2S don't know why they discontinued them. Well any do all that and you could do almost anything out on almost any trail just saying. And no this is not a chick typing here I have to use my wifes account till I can figure out the damn profile setup ir have her do it LOL😁
@Rogue.Rider0
4 жыл бұрын
I have 30/35 with lockers in both. 4.56 gears, 33 12.50r15 and I wheel extreme and never grenaded or broke anything.
@causeuncause4059
3 жыл бұрын
Right and everyone on forums say they’ll break there trash and I run 33s just fine with my 30/35
@Rogue.Rider0
4 жыл бұрын
The dana 30 is almost identical to dana 44. Only difference is the housing.
@street_legal_go_kart7356
4 жыл бұрын
Way before the trail rated system they were putting the 44 behind the Saharas with 373 gears
@moggiethejeep1828
4 жыл бұрын
Finally, the truth and not parts marketing
@choking0smurf
5 жыл бұрын
The 3.73s are whats saving you when it comes to abusing it. Buddy of mine has 37’s on his tj, stock open axles no issues either weve been to moab with it. Now my xj. I have 35’s 4.88s and a selectable locker with zero issues if im carful. Get on the pedal on the rocks where smokes blowing by the end of the day I need a ujoint or 2. But 100% agree. D30’s hold up great i dont understand all the hate.
@MyDatrsPrsnlATM
5 жыл бұрын
I subb'd after your last statement because F youtube and the general public.......lol.
@LivingOnCash
5 жыл бұрын
Dang dude, slow down a little! I gave you a thumbs up anyway. :-) Yes, I can't tell how many people give me shit for running a D30 in my XJ. I'm on long arms with 33x12.50's and 4.10's. 8.25 with Detroit rear and the D30 with an ARB in the front and an AX15 trans. 166K miles and no issues. I might go to 35's when my current tires wear out but will keep the D30 as is until it breaks. Even then like you say, there are a ton of cheap D30's in the bone yards so might just throw in another one instead of spending big bucks to upgrade.
@humzilla707
5 жыл бұрын
The high pinion d30 only found in the xj is around 30% stronger at the gears. Its a great axle just needs a truss
@Mike__S
4 жыл бұрын
People think Dana 44's are made of gold. I'm kicking myself for giving away a rear Dana 44 from a grand wagoneer. I'm just going to go the Ford 9 or 8.8 route, I get more axle for a lot less money since folks want to sell junker 44's for a grand or more.
@SarahSmith-hd8kd
4 жыл бұрын
DANA 30HP WJ brake N knuckle upgrade trussed, gusseted, inner tube WELD in sleeves, HD mevotech balljoints N if u go nuts free spin hub kit N you WILL be able to rock 40" no problem!
@scottjorgenson2892
5 жыл бұрын
Same with the 35. People think they know what they are talking about ran the stock on the yj axles no problem at all
@blahblahsacha
4 жыл бұрын
Dana 30 / 35 rear on 38s and i wheel all the time nothing gone wrong, i don't beat it but but i do drive 50 miles daily nothing has happen besides snapping my LB locker i am starting to believe my shit is possessed
@gorillahd9247
6 жыл бұрын
I have a 2002 TJ currently sitting on a D30/D35 combo with 35's. I have 3.07 gearing and your 3.73 sounds a lot better than my current situation. I have the 5 speed manual so I basically have a 3 or 4 speed Jeep instead of a 5 speed right now. I have a pair of brand new G2 D44's both front and rear ready to be swapped in. 30 spline chromoly axles, 4.88's and Truetracs for both front and rear. I think both of us will be happier once we get the 4.88's under our rigs. Scott
@thatbluething4438
5 жыл бұрын
Same here, I off-road my Jeep pretty hard and I've never had any issue with my stock axles at all
@mauricefluker6944
5 жыл бұрын
Gorilla HD I have a 03 TJ with a 5spd sitting on 33/12.50 with 3.07 gears and I'm in the same boat with you. I basically have a 3spd when going up a grade on the highway
@experttrolltrollingdirty2062
5 жыл бұрын
I have dana 30 on my kj and that gets proper abuse and it really is very strong
@blakebailey852
4 жыл бұрын
Ok, when I get new tires should I get 35’s spec sheet below. 2001 Jeep TJ 4.0 NVG3350 trans Dana 44 rear Dana 30 front stock gears. currently on 33x12.5 open country toyo’s. And a 4inch rancho lift I’m a casual wheeler and live in Arizona. Nothing too crazy just rocks here and there, 5-10 mph Again stock Dana 44 and Dana 30 Would I be okay with the Dana 30?
@larrylooney4495
5 жыл бұрын
They are strong if u weld a truss in and good axle shaft
@SarahSmith-hd8kd
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed but you should truss, gusset, inner WELD in tube sleeves and do HD mevotech balljoints available at the HD section in rockauto.com and boom you have probably upgraded the strength 100%-150% stronger and a WJ brake/knuckle swap would be killing it offroad sorry my experience and 2 cents for what it's worth🙂😋
@LuisGarcia-vr2qq
5 жыл бұрын
Hi my name is Luis, i have a TJ 2001 2.4L will it hold with a Dana 44 from a Playmouth trial Duster from the 79 wich had factory lockers from factory? what do you think
My Jeep sorry should of explained it better all jeep wranglers with 4wd from 03+ got the trail rated badge. it does not mean a single thing different. my jeep is not a Rubicon and it came with stock 27" ats, a Dana 35, and came with a trail rated badge... boom
@trsoff-road321
7 жыл бұрын
My Jeep www.jeepforum.com/forum/f176/what-does-trail-rated-badge-mean-584628/#/topics/584628
@MyJeep
7 жыл бұрын
boom boom boom
@randyanderson6110
5 жыл бұрын
You said you were going to debunk the naysayers. Thought i was going to see some abuse to prove it but instead all we got was verbage.
@SarahSmith-hd8kd
4 жыл бұрын
You can look at the rig and tell he's been wheeling it fairly regularly I'd say, and you aren't cutting fenders to shit like that without abusing the rig with quite often but I agree would be nice to see it at least hit a speed bump lol but I don't need to 8 xjs I've bought totaled sold n rolled and I can assure you they are tough as F@#$ but NOT the LP model I would only EVER run the HP model plus reverse cut gears so they actually push the ring and pinion together non reverse cut diffs if I recall have "deflection" that actually push the two apart creating a real potential for an issue if you really romp and stomp it which with intellect and skill should most often not be necessary unless your just trying to be a big boss hog and make em swing😉
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