If women get paid less for the exact same work, why would anybody who knows anything about economics ever hire a man? Women would fill every role. The reason they don't is because it isn't true.
@SineEyed
5 жыл бұрын
Bingo..
@IamKnucks
5 жыл бұрын
It's the same reason. We don't value women the same. It's like saying, why would anybody buy a cheaper than over an expensive tv. We value name brands. People will buy a white t shirt for hundreds if Kanye sells it.
@constantinvaldor3742
5 жыл бұрын
@@IamKnucks there's zero evidence. That a employer would employ a man to pay him more. When he could pay a woman less 😕 it was hard to type that comment cos it doesn't make sense. Money makes the world go round. People buy name brands for the quality. Same reason men do engineering and women do care work and social work. Women are more caring and men are better with their hands. Every building ever built much?
@giulianorivieri2806
5 жыл бұрын
@@constantinvaldor3742 Only in a mad society you buy the same "product" to an higher price while you can have the same at less... It's insane. This simple thing shows that the "Gender pay gap" (as a result of a sexist discrimination) is a lie.
@bridgefin
5 жыл бұрын
@Lydia Jade Women have always networked better than men in my observation, both among themselves and with management in general. And there are all sorts of women only activities to help women get up to speed and excel. But women networking with men has been dealt a severe, if not deadly, blow by #METOO. You are shooting yourselves in the foot. Now you lost much of the benefits you had in networking and you further gave men a really good reason to prefer men to women. Hiring and promoting women may be just too risky a proposition. There's far less risk in hiring and promoting a less qualified man who will bring much less potential legal risk to the business. And he's much more likely to put in more hours and more sustained years as a result of different choices regarding family.
@oh-totoro
6 жыл бұрын
"Men get all of the best jobs." No! Men get all of the WORST jobs. It's MEN that work down mines, sewers, on construction sites, collecting rubbish, on fishing trawlers and oil rigs, etc, etc.
@leroy30
5 жыл бұрын
Precisely why they get paid more. Danger pay, hard labour, shortened life expectancies, high expectation of overtime, long distance travel, confrontational co-worker environments, etc, etc. There's also a strong case to be made for age of entry. A 15yr boy who drops out of school is, statistically, lightyears ahead in terms of physical potential than a 15yr girl who wouldn't be considered an appropriate hire in such harsh working environments especially because there are so many dodgy men who'd harrass a young woman. It's not an easy overnight fix and to be honest I believe people outta take ownership of their own career paths. If I want to make more money, it rests on my own shoulders to get there. I don't look for unfair disadvantages to lobby for changes against, I look for my own advantages and take action.
@xallthatremains8339
5 жыл бұрын
Not just the hardest to work jobs but also the most dangerous ones. You don't see women lining up for those jobs do you? Women want all of the benefits men enjoy while putting in less work and taking on zero risk. It's all bullshit
@Thunda1986
5 жыл бұрын
they're also high paying jobs
@rickzor2700
5 жыл бұрын
what a fantastic comment.
@snuffeldjuret
5 жыл бұрын
@@shimmer4771 if female dominated careers would get significantly higher pay, more men would choose it. Since women choose those job despite the low pay, why give them more money? We live in a capitalistic society and that is how a capitalistic society works.
@ryancormack6934
6 жыл бұрын
Expert sits in the audience. Why?
@iAmTheSquidThing
6 жыл бұрын
Because that's what they do on this show. They have a few panellists for the entire episode, and then a few special guests in the audience who they speak to briefly on certain topics.
@AndrooUK
6 жыл бұрын
Experts don't want to be full time on this trash.
@daniels.3062
6 жыл бұрын
She's in the audience due to sexism. That's the only answer.
@adlofheltirchiefadvisortot40
6 жыл бұрын
they put her in the audience because shes a nobody, only the stars get the comfy seats and a cuppa tea
@pepegstar
5 жыл бұрын
Because she is a woman! Expert or no expert, makes no difference. She knows where is her place! It is either that or she just wanted to be with her girlfriend who is by the way gorgeous looking.
@Torquemadia
6 жыл бұрын
"How do you explain a 9% gap between what men earn and what women earn?" Men work 20% more hours.
@Pax00Imperium
6 жыл бұрын
Kate's pretty awesome. Intelligent and holds her ground with a strong foundation of real facts. I'm hopeful that Kate will be going far and being another voice of reason in the world.
@jamessmit1864
6 жыл бұрын
Are u serious @Pax00Imperium she’s a disgusting and disgraceful woman. She shoots down other women who are trying to make a difference. She’s catty and she’s not helping women. Watch her interview with the mp about the Pay Me Too Campaign. Then you’ll see her true colours...
@spector969
6 жыл бұрын
Teddy Trenowden, I saw that interview, Kate Andrews was spot on, it's disgraceful to try and co-opt a sexual abuse scandal to whine about a wage gap that only exists due to women's personal life choices. If there's this massive discrimination against women in regards to pay, how come women out-earn men up until their 30s? The reason for a pay gap after that age is obvious, as women will often *make the choice* to raise children in their 30s). Kate does help women, she tells them the truth.
@Pax00Imperium
6 жыл бұрын
I did, and that's why I like her. She at the least is being honest about the fact the stats that are being collected that some use to drive the Wage Gap myth is misleading at the very least if not completely lacking in amount of data to find what is actually going on. I didn't wholly agree with her sentiments here but when every where else is this pervasive sucking of the oxygen from the room when you point out the myth that is the Wage Gap, it's refreshing to see someone trying to have an honest discussion. At the bottom end of it all, you'll simply see individuals making different choices in their life. And that can be verified very clearly with how Sweden has put in place so much to help women in the work force yet still some jobs are largely done by men and some jobs are largely done by women. People make different choices. To punish or ascertain unfairness from a lack of mathematical fairness based on percentages from stats alone will not do.
@grime_garage
6 жыл бұрын
Pax00Imperium I guarantee that if she knew that men she work with earned twice as much as her she as a woman would turn into the women who are complaining.
@spector969
6 жыл бұрын
cheeckybutnice, no, she'd simply sue her employers, as paying women less for the exact same job is illegal.
@davidmeloche3563
5 жыл бұрын
"we don't CHOOSE to go into low paying work!" My ex went for her master's, and spent better than 50k in student loans, in order to get a job that starts at 35k a year...because she really liked social work.
@ericswift846
Жыл бұрын
I think she also probably knew that the man in her life would bring the money and she had the luxury to do what she wants. I have always had to do what I needed to do to support the family and never had the luxury to do what I want.
@DaveTaste
6 жыл бұрын
Certain white blokes. Can you imagine.... "Certain black women" being said on this?
@Ellzyboy
6 жыл бұрын
or if you really want the polar opposite you would have to turn "bloke" into 'chick'
@DaveTaste
6 жыл бұрын
Elliot Smith exactly that mate. I was trying to think of a word that was opposite without being jumped on offensive, but Chick is the one.
@maerunway8694
6 жыл бұрын
No because "certain black women" won't make any sense because how many black women are CEOs of big businesses in England? Acknowledging race isn't racist lol. Certain white blokes do prefer to hire someone that looks like them. This however isn't gender based discrimination but more racial discrimination
@DaveTaste
6 жыл бұрын
Mae Runway OK then Let's say "a certain community" are responsible for most knife crime in London. Does that sound OK? Not really does it.
@clownworldcartoons
6 жыл бұрын
Or a "certain community" that commits terrorist attacks. We all can generalise. The vast majority of homeless people I see on the streets are white blokes.
@ducki5373
4 жыл бұрын
"I've got loads of friends that work just as hard" - source: trust me bro
@tacolicker33
4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaah
@nathantyrell4898
3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌
@tallmilwaukee4452
3 жыл бұрын
Shhh,, you're giving up MSM sources lol
@Zer0nite
3 жыл бұрын
Source: Her friends
@az21bob666
3 жыл бұрын
the problem SHE does not know if they work just as hard, if all see is there pay check and men are higher, but you dont see MEN work 20 percent MORE hours then it changes your view.
@generalzod7959
6 жыл бұрын
Is the pay gap a myth? Yes. Let's address a few things here everyone on the panel didn't address.... 1) businesses exist to make money. If there were women equally as good at the job as a man but, the pay gap myth were in fact a reality, men wouldn't get hired in the overwhelming majority of cases (bucks before bros) 2) this is something no feminist will ever bring up... In the u.s. men make up around 97% of work-related deaths. I would dare say that number doesn't budge much anywhere around the civilized world. Why is this?? A: because men are the ones who build everything. The houses you live in, the roads you drive on, the office buildings you work in and they install the plumbing, the electrical etc. They also do the multitude of dangerous, deadly & unpleasant jobs women can't or won't do. Jobs where you get really dirty, jobs where you can fall to your death or get crushed or electrocuted. If anyone has ever watched several episodes of the deadliest catch, how many women are working the decks of those crab boats? Yep. None. These jobs pay better than typing on a keyboard in an office for a reason.
@joshuaweaver5316
5 жыл бұрын
General Zod lol surprised that nobody has gotten triggered over this and commented on your comment
@65tosspowertrapl36
5 жыл бұрын
No need to get triggered when it is true......and deep down you know it.
@davidwang1637
5 жыл бұрын
@@joshuaweaver5316I'm still surprised after 10 months there's still no triggered comment below him.
@guillaumveilleult9595
5 жыл бұрын
They work in an office where climatisation is sexist against Them.
@guillaumveilleult9595
4 жыл бұрын
@Adam Beasley I am not triggered...
@stevo728822
6 жыл бұрын
Correlation is not causation.
@yurhomi4478
5 жыл бұрын
stevo728822 beautifully summed up, that’s one of the major things you can take from this video and topic.
@xelio9050
5 жыл бұрын
stevo728822 Where did I hear this? Was it Ben Shapiro?
@wippyfr
5 жыл бұрын
@@xelio9050 One of the most basic principles of statistics which you have to consider, always
@swamdono
5 жыл бұрын
Correlation is also not caucasion.
@xelio9050
4 жыл бұрын
Adam Beasley lmao true
@nesknero
6 жыл бұрын
2:18 WHAT? does this women listen to herself? it shouldn't matter that you are crap at negotiation a better pay? How exactly should that play out? "Well you have given me absolutely no reason to do so but here's your raise anyway?
@sirwillypeckerson7674
6 жыл бұрын
Precisely, a company would happily pay their workers in bread crumbs if it was realistic. When you're a valued worker who is needed, they want you to be satisfied enough not to leave, some men are also not good negotiators and they don't get better pay either, because it's not like your employer is going to come up to you and say "well thanks for working for us, here's a raise that you didn't even ask for". If you're bad at negotiating, that sucks, it really does, try to get help with that and good luck in the future but don't blame people for being better off
@lrdisco2005
5 жыл бұрын
Because, erm, eh, feelings that's why. She lacks the cognitive ability to construct a sentence, so a reasoned argument is an impossibility.
@FreedomOfTħought
4 жыл бұрын
I don't wanna be "that guy" but companies DO give pay rises if an employee's performance throughout the fiscal year warrants it. Of course you should still be negotiating the "big deal" cases where you're severely underpaid for the value you provide.
@406transient9
6 жыл бұрын
lets use another uk example. wimbledon. the prize money for winning in both men's and women's tournaments is equal. except women play best of 3 and men play best of 5. shouldn't the women perform equal work for their equal pay?
@sammortimer9165
5 жыл бұрын
If they really want equality then let the women try to compete with men at Wimbledon. If they really believe in equality there is no reason to have a separate male and female tournament.
@lesfox2010
5 жыл бұрын
You are forgetting a little rule that applies to sport. Men's sport generates more money than women's. That is reflected in the difference in payouts. Also applies to a number of professions as well.
@dimirockeropoulos6104
5 жыл бұрын
Would be a different story if the Grand Slams weren't held simultaneously...lets see how many attend a womens match in an exclusively womens tournament.
@brunolopes2205
4 жыл бұрын
@@dimirockeropoulos6104 no tit wouldnt. Men sports are just more popular bc they are far better. Men are stronger faster and more trained. Have you seen the female football World cup ?? They play like 15 year old boys in district tournaments
@pokerboy72
4 жыл бұрын
True that.. being from india no one like to wat h women cricket. The field is made half the size. Stupid fielding errors. Dropped catches. Well then how do you expect to make revenue when there is No entertainment.
@renegadedalek5528
6 жыл бұрын
So much discrimination by extrapolating anecdotes, this is the nature of feminist analysis. Or rather: make up stuff, invent a conspiracy to make yourself look a victim so you can demand what you wanted in the first place, but without the hard work and responsibility.
@carolgladfelder272
5 жыл бұрын
@Entrenched Mgtow I'm a woman and agree with you 100%.
@andrehas82
5 жыл бұрын
I tried to offer my wife equal sharing of the "stay home with kids". When she realized that she had to works as much as me, to make the same money, she quickly said that I could work, and she could stay home with the kids... She had the control, and she made the choice (as always in Sweden). We work at the same job by the way, but I work a hell of a lot more, that's the difference.
@jekubfimbulwing5370
5 жыл бұрын
"Is the gender pay gap a myth?" Yes, next question.
@mrheatibmor
3 жыл бұрын
😂
@Writeous0ne
3 жыл бұрын
I mean yeah it exists. But its not because of discrimination against one gender lol.
@simpleasliam657
6 жыл бұрын
Kate is a great example of a strong minded, intelligent and considerate lady :) it seems no one here actually listened to what she said yet she heard their points and countered them all
@tiernanmulligan7093
Жыл бұрын
Because what she said is bs 😂😂 she’s trying to bring this “gender pay gap” and maternity leave and try put them together 😂😂 the truth is most women want to be the ones in a relationship that take the 6 months to a year off with the child and I’ll put money on it if the maternity leave was the same amount of money the woman would be crying to be ones that get the time of 😂😂 you really think they wanna be at work while your at home looking after the new born 😂
@richardtaylor3471
6 жыл бұрын
why the fuck is she boiling it down to schools asking for a parents number lmao
@pauljackson2409
6 жыл бұрын
'cause she's a fucking idiot. I'd like to know how much she gets paid. Whatever it is, it's too much.
@clownworldcartoons
6 жыл бұрын
Middle class first world third wave feminist problems.
@TOM-os9rk
6 жыл бұрын
Haha that was hilarious
@silas0898
6 жыл бұрын
Men not being considered as an emergency contact is discrimination against women. #logic
@Cashback13
6 жыл бұрын
Because she has confused individual responsive actions, with collection solution methods. Soon as she said "My female friends" you knew there was going to be some overused trite 'bubble-speak' soundbite coming out which was essentially meaningless on the context of the debate. You can have more than one emergency contact number it isn't illegal! Problem Solved!
@Hindsighht
6 жыл бұрын
"old etonians hire old etonians". That's a class issue mate, not a gender issue. Finally someone touches on the conversation we should be having and no one picks him up on it. FFS
@jozigirl7114
3 жыл бұрын
And considering that etonians would make up a minute percentage of the UK population - not really relevant tbh. The working classes hate the middle classes because they have money, and yet the working classes don't save. They don't plan for their futures. They don't teach their children to put money away. They live from paycheck to paycheck and spend thousands on stuff they don't need. Why do you think primark exists? The middle classes are frugal and Conservative by nature.
@SK-kh2rs
Жыл бұрын
@@jozigirl7114 interesting point. Migrants from certain cultures where they are very frugal end up having more wealth than the native working class very quickly
@Ebb0Productions
6 жыл бұрын
Kate Andrews is so good at staying calm and collected during heated debates. I'm quite amazed.
@bradleycannicott2348
6 жыл бұрын
These people think all the so called best jobs are a breeze - men and women that work in these high end top well paid jobs get absolutely thrashed! They literally work 12 hours a day 6/7 days a week who would even want to do that? They often sacrifice family and social time to focus on reaching the top - I’d like a discussion on why anybody would want that lifestyle but I suspect more men than women are prepared to sacrifice these things for the single pursuit of being at the very top
@thrilla72
6 жыл бұрын
Bradley Cannicott Thank you!!! I remember Jordan Peterson made a similar statement as well.
@Cashback13
6 жыл бұрын
The point where you majorly jump from a significant role to an even more significant role is probably the biggest change in lifestyle and security for a lot of people. Even someone who's say been a supervisor somewhere for a few years on an average of 27-28k a year, suddenly gets the chance to be the manager on a 40K+ salary. They will have had a pay-rise of a 1/3 extra of what they already earn. Which affords them opportunities they didn't have before e.g childcare/investment in extra curricular activities for their kids, holidays, or anything else extra they wanted to do over the years post getting the job. So that is the balance versus the long hours over more than 5 days a week. When they get the time off they have the means to really do something with it. Some people would prefer the extra time off rather than the extra money/work, Just depends what you prioritise, but if you are going for a job of higher responsibility it will affect your life outside of work whether you like it or not. The upshot is being able to retire early and having loads of free time + a good pension/financial security. That's the end reward (assuming you live to your twilight years of course)
@onetwothereefour
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! It's a number games pure and simple. You got over 100x the men compared to women who are willing to sacrifice their lives, no wonder a gap with who has the top jobs exists. Equality of outcome is all that is being preached by the feminists here. Load of garbage.
@Cashback13
6 жыл бұрын
You can't have Equality of Outcome though without Equality of Participation. They want to skip to the ends without going through the means (or want guys to do that part for them) and funnily enough we have our own ideas on the matter. You can have all the 50-50 targets you want, but you can't force women to go into certain jobs/careers and so there is always going to be a gender imbalance whichever way it dips. You can't just focus on the ones that are dipped towards men and not the ones dipped towards women. That's just favouritism not equality of wealth distribution by Gender across the board.
@AJarOfYams
6 жыл бұрын
2:24 “Saying we are a bit rubbish at negotiating salaries, but that shouldn’t matter!” *THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO WITH IT!* Men have to negotiate salaries to get more money out of the jobs they’re getting, so why shouldn’t women? Saying that negotiations aren’t a factor is a blatant lie “Is it discriminating against women or discriminating against ‘with kids’?” “It’s both, isn’t it?” Come on, it’s more likely the ones with kids. How many women with children %-wise are as willing and as able (if not more) to work 50-60 hour workweek as men? If it’s more profitable for a company to hire Person A than it is to hire Person B, of course the company is going to hire Person A. I have to agree with Kate from another interview: “Men should take more parental leave.” And I believe men should be able and allowed to on a culture wide level. If you want equality, don’t shame men for taking paternity leaves.
@khyzatatira8542
5 жыл бұрын
Kristian Thomsen work is work you work 1 hour you get money you don’t work 1 hour you get no money women with kids choose to not work there hours so they get no money it’s as simple as that
@lesfox2010
5 жыл бұрын
If a man takes paternity leave, his career value plummets. If they split it between both mum and dad, both their career values plummet. Then what? It would take years for then to rebuild their value again.
@jameznash
6 жыл бұрын
one statistic - retirement age - if my wife and i do the same job and work the same hours for the same pay - you still end up with a pay gap because she gets her pension at 65 an i have to carry on until 67 (probably longer). This creates a pay gap between my wife and I, even if we get paid the same. The first and easiest way to balance out the pay gap is to raise retirement age for woman so its the same as men and women should vote for this if they want equal pay.
@strategyplayer1988
6 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered if this is ever modelled in to the statistics. My guess is not!
@Philiptanzer
6 жыл бұрын
The stats do mdel it, but the feminists just use median vs median which don't take it into account. They are just lying to everyone by using incorrect figures.
@John...44...
5 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming your talking about the UK. But apparently they are raising the retirement age to suit men's... And there's a group called Justice for Women or something who are campaigning against it.... They only want equal rights when it's in their favour lol
@yurhomi4478
5 жыл бұрын
thornburn1989 what a joke, at least there are people who are aware feminism has nothing to do with equality.
@K20EF8
5 жыл бұрын
You forgot one crucial fact. Women and men both pay into pensions at equal rates. Yet woman retire earlier and live longer than men. In other words women use a bigger slice of the pension pie. There should be a correction factor applied.
@rayeasom
5 жыл бұрын
The men who are at the top also tend to be workaholics, they live and breath the job and do nothing but work 80+ hours a week; they sacrifice family, friends and a life outside of work to reach the top. There are not many women in those roles because not many women are willing to do what it takes to get to those roles.
@alphalobster8021
6 жыл бұрын
As. White male with no experience or ability to be a CEO I am being discriminated against because I have nerves been given a “top job”. I am sure there are more men passed over for promotion pro-rata than women applying or fighting for the same jobs.
@jozigirl7114
3 жыл бұрын
There are more women in executive jobs than there are men - but that's supposedly still "not enough"
@nebulous6660
6 жыл бұрын
I can't decide whether these people are pushing this for political tactics or if they really believe this shit.
@ItsTheMunz
6 жыл бұрын
The truth is that a lot of male bosses don't hire females because it only takes one bad experience with a sexual assault claim to look for any reason you can not to hire a woman. I know a few girls with rich AF Dad's who just honestly told me he won't hire women in his office because he's been accused of sexual assault before.
@jozigirl7114
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the spoiled little girls who have an entitlement complex - my brother has his own company - doesn't hire unmarried women under the age of 30 having that particular nightmare played out in his office (not against him personally) which cost his company thousands.
@blondemario
Жыл бұрын
People will declare practically anything they can get away with in this woke pronoun society. Obviously they have to have SOME evidence but it's usually not massively convincing.
@Rishabh-Dev
2 жыл бұрын
Feminism and Equality is only limited to air conditioned offices.
@Andrew-tx9jy
2 ай бұрын
Woman: "I do exactly the same job as a man but he is paid more than me. It's so unfair!" Man: "How many hours do you work?" Woman: "24 hours a week." Man: "How many hours does the man work?" Woman: "48 hours a week." Man: "And you still can't figure out why this man is earning more than you?" Woman: "I think it's the patriarchy."
@jackstar5208
6 жыл бұрын
There's no 'do you believe there is a gender pay gap' question! It is not an opinion, it is a fact that it doesn't exist
@j0k3r88
3 жыл бұрын
2:40 "We don't choose to go for low paid work". "We choose only to cry about it and not fix it"😂
@lapelcelery42
3 жыл бұрын
It's also not true. Women on average are less likely to move for a better paying job, less likely to work outside for more money, less likely to work in a dangerous field for more money, and less likely to take a better paying job than one which pays less but is more enjoyable. So yes, compared to men women actually do choose to go for lower paid work on those criteria. But it's an average. Any individual woman can choose not to make those decisions and make more money. In fact, women who don't have a family and kids are promoted faster and earn more than men who do the same. That's why the earnings gap increased hugely around the age of thirty - that's when women leave the workforce with babies on average.
@WhoCaresWhatIThink
3 жыл бұрын
I always find these interesting, one thing I notice is they never propose a solution. The reason being is we have equal pay already, so the only option is to discriminate and pay men less. I also notice there is never mothers on the show bemoaning having to stay home with the kids and not be able to work. In my experience, I have 3 children, oldest being 7. My partner (female) hasn't worked since the first was born. I have always been in charge of providing. I can hand on heart say I couldn't do what she does, but, she would say the same about doing what I do. The example always goes to the CEOs that are on big money, never the bin man or labourer. This isn't about equality, it is about being superior.
@larjkok1184
5 жыл бұрын
I worked in HR for years across many organisations. Not once was a job advertised with a salary attached to it, only to be modified once a woman/man was appointed.
@GLFiveGaming
3 жыл бұрын
I’m a man and I would never want to be the CEO of a company working 80+ hours a week. It just so happens that type of job commands a very high wage and that it’s usually men who wish to sacrifice their social and family lives in persist of it.
@fcukugimmeausername
2 жыл бұрын
I think the simple reality is, one that not many people actually want to address, is that all things being fair men should be earning more. If men and women are earning an equal amount, that would indicate quite clearly that the men are being handicapped somehow.
@methatis3013
5 жыл бұрын
STATISTICS ISNT DISCRIMINATION!!! There are more animals than people on Earth, Earth is discriminatory towards people. Statistics and discrimination have nothing to do with each other.
@guillaumveilleult9595
5 жыл бұрын
Statistiques : un average, each human have one testicle and one ovarie...
@signupstuff
Жыл бұрын
My company is trying aggressively to promote female talent into executive management roles. The problem is too many of them aren't interested. I mean, they want the money that's not the issue. What they don't want is the time commitment that promotion entails - coming in early and staying late, every day.. the weekend work.. being on call when you're technically off.. having to be available on short notice, including for travel and being away from home for several days. The so-called ceiling women hit is more like a door they're unwilling to walk through because they don't like what they see on the other side. For most of them their children is their priority and that's incompatible with reaching the highest levels at their job.
@mistaken5289
5 жыл бұрын
regardless of her stance being right or wrong, she has such a warm, addictive smile.
@tablettwist5639
5 жыл бұрын
Who is this woman arguing that gender pay gap is a myth? This is one smart woman who is so refreshing to listen to because she talks sense. Respect.
@thrustkicktkd841
5 жыл бұрын
I worked in Employee Compensation for 42 years in several different industries, and I never detected a significant difference in men's pay and women's pay who performed the same jobs. In fact, women have been running HR for the last 30 years (e.g. women hold 80% to 100% of the jobs in any given HR department), which includes Employee Compensation. If there is a problem with pay disparity, why haven't they fixed it.
@Djfletch978
5 жыл бұрын
To be honest if I was a business owner, the smart move is to hire men over women so you don't have to pay maternity costs down the line. Doesn't make it right, it's just cost efficient
@sl9sl9
6 жыл бұрын
The video description is plain wrong or deliberately misleading: ''Kate Andrews, who claims other factors like experience, time out for children and a reluctance to demand pay rises are to blame''
@Pukekura35
3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with Kate here. Your pay is determined by what job you do, your performance, your experience - all sorts of factors. It’s got nothing to do with gender. So sick of these brainwashed people talking such nonsense.
@Grinchier
6 жыл бұрын
She admits women are rubbish at negotiating pay rises - but it shouldn't matter. Women should just be given them, shouldn't they? Because they can do everything men can do .. except for .. the number of years of work, hours worked, the most dangerous/disgusting jobs ...
@Grinchier
5 жыл бұрын
Also - nobody mentions the other 'gap' - time with the children. Who's getting to experience all those 'milestones'? The first .. whatevers .. that are supposed to be so magical. Who do children tend to go to first for help/support? Share those moments with? But that's not something that so many men are missing out on? Let's have equal leave, and equal expectations .. and see what the reaction to that is.
@4812megan
6 жыл бұрын
I have been a male nurse for 20 years and I have been on the receiving end of sexism, from women. This continues even now in 2018. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble.
@kjhlkyu
5 жыл бұрын
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data"
@chrisinidaho4569
5 жыл бұрын
Here are some factors on why men tend to earn more - * Men choose higher paying jobs. Women tend to focus on jobs caring for others - teachers, nurses, daycare, home health workers, etc...while men enjoy STEM fields which are higher paying. * Men put in more hours at work than women do and therefore are earning more if paid by the hour or earn more in commissions for making more sales. * Because men put in more hours and maybe work nights and weekends, they get more experience and are therefore more valuable which justifies pay raises and promotions. * Women often leave the workforce to have kids. This means that when/if they return, they have to start from scratch while the men who were hired originally with the women have been promoted. * Women aren't as aggressive in negotiating their pay when hired and/or promoted nor are they as aggressive in seeking/demanding promotions. * Women are more likely to stay with a company that turned them down for a raise/promotion. They are risk adverse. Men are less afraid of risk and will look elsewhere if they are passed over for a promotion or are denied a raise. Companies know this and therefore are more likely to give men that raise/promotion rather than face the higher risk of them leaving. * Since women work less than men, companies aren't going to offer women promotions if the promotion would require them to work longer hours. Women won't accept such promotions as often as men and the companies know that she is likely to turn it down so they offer it to the equally qualified man rather than having the man knowing that he was the 2nd choice. * Since women tend to seek husbands who earn more than they do, women are much more likely to have a higher earning spouse than a man. This means that the women will be less likely to accept a promotion requiring more time/travel since she may not need the money as much as the man with a lower earning spouse. the woman's husband is also less likely to accept the wife being on the job more hours and he will also be less willing to move if the woman's promotion requires it. He may not be able to make the same money if the new town while the spouse of the male employee will be much more likely to find similar paying work. These factors discourage women from accepting such promotions and knowing this, the company is also less likely to offer it to a woman over an equally qualified man. * Women with higher earning husbands feel less pressure to enter less attractive, but higher paying fields. They gravitate to jobs that they like. Men tend to have lower earning spouses and therefore are forced to choose higher paying jobs, even if it's much less enjoyable. All of the above show why men, on an annual basis, earn more than women. There is nothing that attributes the difference to sexism. It's all about personal choices that men and women freely make.
@LionKimbro
Жыл бұрын
This is the smartest version of the argument I’ve seen yet. There are good points on both sides, and it gets beneath the surface.
@AdamWebb1982
5 жыл бұрын
sigh... If women were so cheap on wages, no one would hire men? Last time i looked it was ILLEGAL to pay men and women differently for the SAME JOB.
@lilmax86
6 жыл бұрын
An unfiltered pay gap can only quantify how much men and women make. It's simply unable to qualify any percentage as discrimination. But its unfiltered nature does have significant consequence for the "gender pay gap" narrative itself. Suppose the unfiltered pay gap is around 20%. It then follows that men earn about 55% of all income. Calculation: where men earn 100, women earn 80; together they earn 180; 100/180 = 55,56%. So... an unfiltered pay gap of 20% only describes a practice where men's earnings deviate a mere 5,56% from a 50/50 split. The horror. It does not describe a practice where women earn 20% less for the same job. That's a blatant lie. It doesn't even care about any 50/50 split. That's where the ideologues come in to tell that lie. But it's still a lie.
@pauljackson2409
6 жыл бұрын
You should look at who the money is spent ON. Women's clothes, shoes, toiletries, hairdressing etc. , way more than is spent on men. That's in the private sphere. When you look at public spending 2/3 of healthcare spending is on women and twice as much on their state pensions. The average man will make a positive contribution to the national finances over his life-time, while the average woman's contribution is negative.
@lilmax86
6 жыл бұрын
True. Sorry for editing the shit out of my original comment though. It now looks as if yours doesn't relate to mine. But be assured that it did. Again, I'm sorry.
@annmarieblanc6363
2 жыл бұрын
I know this is anecdotal, but, why is it when you see women working on road crews (pick one, any one, it doesn't matter) they're always directing traffic and not doing any of the hard work? I'm Andy not Annmarie!
@Glitchfaction
4 жыл бұрын
Where is nursing “low pay work?” Every nurse I know makes a pretty decent living.
@Writeous0ne
3 жыл бұрын
i'll tell you what is low pay work though, construction labour who earn minimum wage to carry concrete blocks around in freezing cold and rain lol...
@Glitchfaction
3 жыл бұрын
@@Writeous0ne I worked as a laborer in construction for a while and made like $16 an hour
@Writeous0ne
3 жыл бұрын
@@Glitchfaction Ok. In Britain labourer jobs are generally minimum wage here. BUt still you get the point, women arent lining up to lift concrete around in winter.
@tomb2574
4 жыл бұрын
Crying shame that the young woman is the only rational one. They tried really really hard to get her to say men are awful.
@sadev101
6 жыл бұрын
its so weird people always talk about do you believe in the gender pay gap... like its an religion.. something you believe or not.. when there is sufficient data acquired yearly that proofs there is not a gender pay gap in the sence that a women gets paid less for the same work.. look at the amount of hours made on average (keep the average in mind, mind you) by women and by men and look at the career choices they make. then you see factually there is no gender paygap where women get paid less for the same work (highly illegial btw and would end up in court) but there are choices in carreer and workhours men and women make differently on average. if feminist want to change that then they should try to promote different careers to female students and indeed try to persuade them not to take such times off after starting families
@Hellfire798760870
6 жыл бұрын
But if the current breed of feminists persuade young women into STEM fields, then no one will be able to take gender studies and spread the gospel.
@sadev101
6 жыл бұрын
omg dont get me started on gender studies as a curriculum. those so called professors of genderstudies are nutcases. inventing a course they can make up as they go along. as there is not a shred of proof needed. even proof denied as long as it suits their ridiculous narrative. if those people get more grip on the education system as they do already then the lindsey sheppard case would not be stand alone
@vond5829
3 жыл бұрын
"Men get all of the best jobs." Roofing in the middle of July, Oil field management, high construction work, the army, Electricity,etc Are yes, all of the best jobs
@falafeldurum2095
5 жыл бұрын
The Kate from the sky news interview ;)
@mogakasamwel1672
4 жыл бұрын
if a woman's quality of work is high, and she is highly reliable irregardless of her social situation, why would companies hire men to pay them more when they could find cheap labour?
@PostApocolyptica
6 жыл бұрын
Yes; next question, please.
@sefin7151
3 жыл бұрын
Passive aggressive vegetarian feminists disliking this video. 🤦🏻
@GoA7250
6 жыл бұрын
That guy at the end was talking complete BS. The ABC stopped putting not only names and gender on applications but age as well. Less women were employed as a result, so in this case the hiring based on sex argument is complete Bull.. Companies are screaming for women to meet their quotas... FFS
@svendsen6437
3 жыл бұрын
Let’s just face it : women want more money to go on shopping sprees. Without working as hard as men do.
@joelchapman8622
6 жыл бұрын
I love how she talks :)
@henkverhoevenonevolutionar9811
3 жыл бұрын
When you consider all the facts, there is not much of a problem left. And that goes for many issues. Sadly.
@flightyzeus2
6 жыл бұрын
2 crews of disposal operative round my end No females
@namesurname2958
3 жыл бұрын
Thats trash talk! 😂
@NibberKSmooth
3 жыл бұрын
How many women are bricklayers, plumbers, sewage workers, refuse collectors, sanitation? Men are in more jobs because they MADE those jobs and MEN do those jobs!!! My word....
@e1239
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. Next.
@Suchen_Wahrheit
3 жыл бұрын
There is gender Earnings Gap. There is no gender Pay Gap.
@Jamie_Wilson
5 жыл бұрын
How many people think women do a better job raising children than men? I think on average most of us, I don't think that controversial to say. So unless the woman is on a lot more money than the man, or has a potential career that's important to her to maintain, and staying home with kids will impact on this, what's the problem with women not working and the men brining in the money? Many couples choose this setup deliberately and are both happy in their own roles. But there's always someone there to tell them to get back to work shouting "ladies unite, we must ensure our average women's pay is above the men's and then we finally achieve the victory"
@Lorenzconnok
3 жыл бұрын
"Do you believe there is a gender pay gap?" the host asks. The answer doesn't require belief, reality doesn't require you to believe it. The reality is no, since the late 1970's there has been no gap. Period. Next?
@mmoooo1111
5 жыл бұрын
More men doing higher paid jobs does not discrimination make, because the small % of women doing the same jobs doing the same hours would still be earning the same as the men. Its not difficult to understand.
@douglasrodrigues9329
5 жыл бұрын
If women get paid less for doing exactly the same job as men, with the same productivity, why would anyone hire men? I don't believe the pay gap issue revolves around the sex of women, but they're productivity.
@veetour
3 жыл бұрын
There's a colored eye pay gap, height pay gap, language pay gap, age pay gap, body type pay gap, etc...
@HoldenNY22
2 жыл бұрын
How come no one brings up the Honelessness and Suicide Gaps where Homelessness and Suicide are much, much higher for men than for Women.?
@hjjjjk8399
2 жыл бұрын
This is myth. I have never worked in a job where women are paid less. They act like men have not gone to school and studied for their position.
@d3lan011
3 жыл бұрын
Women: there's a gender pay gap. Research and facts: due to women taking jobs in limited fields, women will work less hours, EVEN when paid the same rate as men. It has nothing to do w/ discrimination. Women will work more in HR, hospitality, schools, more white collar. Men will work more in trucking, construction, engineering, law enforcement, STEM, etc. It has gone on too long that women are at a disadvantage and that isn't true-they just choose to take advantage of certain laws and work less than usual.
@onlymurgs
5 жыл бұрын
They have done studies on the way males and females are graded at schools and have found that if names are removed from tests, the males do better then when the names are added. This indicates that males are discriminated against at school level which would go a long way to explain the gap between males and females at school, yet this is never addressed. Meanwhile we are constantly looking at this pay gap and despite it being explained over and over, we are STILL focused on it.. What a world
@SpoodinOot
4 жыл бұрын
"I shouldn't have to take responsibility for making myself worth more. I should just be considered worth more" WTF
@WarrenCromartie2
5 жыл бұрын
Kate Andrews is too good to debate such a serious issue with these clueless daytime TV mooks.
@KimPhilby203
5 жыл бұрын
100%
@roadhog1143
3 жыл бұрын
It's about time ,someone came out with real numbers ,and this young is it. She's knows what's she's talking about
@brothergunns5055
4 жыл бұрын
It's just like asking why 44% men face work fatalities while women face only 8%. A janitor cannot be paid same as a CEO.
@macmcmac9834
3 жыл бұрын
THE GENDER PAY GAP IS A LIE. Women doing the SAME JOB, DOING THE SAME HOURS AS MEN, HAVING THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE AS MEN ARE PAID THE SAME AS MEN. What these people declaring a gender pay gap do not want is equal pay for doing the same job. They want women in lesser skilled positions paid the same as men who have more demanding and higher skilled positions. Law already exist that require no discrimination based on gender. The young lady is correct in what she is saying. The panel don't have the ?alls to agree what they know is true. 🤔
@theTruthLifeNWay
4 жыл бұрын
Sign of the times, Arguing over something that doesn't exist. When a woman as well versed as Kate says it doesn't exist, It's time to move onto something else. Is the Sky REALLY blue? Is water REALLY transparent? Is the wind REALLY invisible? these are the real burning questions
@charlesjohn2763
3 жыл бұрын
That woman in the audience is a rare Gem. Sensible and logical. The guy at the end of the panel... The exact opposite.
@cameron120587
4 жыл бұрын
In the example at the end, that test would only be valid if you measured the effects of six types of applicants: 1. man married with kids. 2. woman married with kids. 3. man w/ no kids 4. woman with no kids. 5. man with kids 6. woman with kids.
@Daniela-pr7rz
4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't even matter. It's about productivity and people can be more productive in less hours than other in more. We are THAT different. So a valid assessment about wage gap cannot be made in the first place. It only creates tension and less incentive for the employers to hire women.
@jordan3400
5 жыл бұрын
This is such a good discussion.. usually this would get shut down. Props to all of them for having a civilised discussion
@marcobalderrama1962
3 жыл бұрын
Kate Andrews is awesome. She is informed and rational.
@jacobuiso989
3 жыл бұрын
choosing career over families is the causes of all these problems
@molemanns
5 жыл бұрын
I've never met a woman that wanted to work until the retirement age.
@stephenmcwilliams6013
3 жыл бұрын
The lady in the audience is a model of patience dealing with the idiots on the panel who can’t see past their own prejudices.
@sibusiso2841
3 жыл бұрын
I too think it's unfair that the male work force dominates garbage disposal, mining, construction, water and electricity utilities, agriculture, public transportation. It's so unfair that all these low paying jobs that most women aren't willing to do(yet are necessary in society)are primarily done by men
@jamiew1664
4 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe this non existent argument is still being discussed
@AlexSmith-gr4hp
6 жыл бұрын
The road to the top is a toll road. A fairly obvious indication it isn't discrimination is that we're always talking about the extremely wealthy; CEOs, elite actresses, elite sportspeople, elected politicians. Once you're earning over 100k I don't think you're still allowed to hold an oppression card.
@chriscoulter6089
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. It has been illegal to pay men and women differently for the same jobs for several decades now.
@abcdefghi9
Жыл бұрын
Companies are profit driven. If they pay women less, they would only hire women, but they dont, do they?
@cjchaworth
5 жыл бұрын
‘Sexism is the assumption that women have to be identical to men in order to be worthy of equal treatment.’ Debra Soh
@thisguyrighthere3647
6 жыл бұрын
Women HAD the best/most important job but decided making money was more important than staying home and raising children.
@XRPXLM
2 жыл бұрын
The salt must flow
@travellingtom6091
2 жыл бұрын
The lady in the audience was very insightful.
@JPRutledge
3 жыл бұрын
Kate Andrews is a new hero of mine.
@GeneralG1810
5 жыл бұрын
I’m not hearing the women complain about the lack of females in sanitation work
@Dragonblaster1
4 жыл бұрын
Where are all the successful lawsuits about this? It's illegal to pay women less than men for the same job. And if you could really get away with that, slashing your payroll at a stroke, why would you ever employ men?
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