Hello everyone, this is Chris Huntley, director of marketing for Bart Ehrman. We appreciate your engagement and interest in Dr. Robyn Walsh's appearance on our channel. We'd like to kindly request that comments remain focused on the fascinating insights she shared during the interview. Dr. Walsh is a highly accomplished scholar, holding a Ph.D. in Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean and serving as an Associate Professor at the University of Miami. We're delighted to have her expertise contributing to our discussions. Let's continue the conversation with respect for her intellectual contributions and impressive scholarship. Thank you!
@jeffryphillipsburns
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I didn’t notice any “fascinating insights”. I only heard a lot of talking around the subject. I didn’t hear the subject actually addressed.
@UnimatrixOne
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, true
@bloopyscoopy3141
Жыл бұрын
Interesting--your comment is not doing the very thing you ask us to do.
@albertomartinez714
Жыл бұрын
She is also very pretty
@thetopface
Жыл бұрын
@@bloopyscoopy3141you can’t be serious
@nathanaelsmith3553
Жыл бұрын
Megan's variety of eyewear always adds some visual interest.
@taffybanda2082
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Ehrman is always a win! But Meghan Lewis 😍, you are also a win!! Dr. Walsh 😍, thank you for your time. This was nice and insightful. You're a win too!!!
@delasias9153
Жыл бұрын
I'm a new subscriber and I wish I had come across this sooner. It would be good if more people exposed themselves to this kind of approach to these subject matters. very enjoyable and informative. I also enjoy the range of glasses that Megan wears in different vids. the pair in this vid are fascinating.
@harrispinkham
Жыл бұрын
Very insightful! Thanks Megan and Robyn!
@stephenarmiger8343
Ай бұрын
Robyn’s book sounds intriguing. Paused the video to purchase a paperback copy. Looking forward to reading it.
@urisbdbcn
Жыл бұрын
Interesting new ideas. Megan did a fantastic job introducing us to Robyn's views, would love to listen to part 2 with Bart pushing back from his "german" perspective!
@maxthefacts
Жыл бұрын
Hey Megan. I'm amazed at the variety and multiplicity of your spectacles. Are you unfortunate and breaking 😢 them and having to replace them or........
@kelvinnkole5433
Жыл бұрын
Megan’s quirky glasses! I couldn’t focus 😄
@bubbercakes528
Жыл бұрын
I had the same problem!
@dianadeejarvis7074
9 ай бұрын
There are audio only formats on other platforms, y'know.
@MichaelYoder1961
Жыл бұрын
I love how Robyn links the Germanic folk tales and Brothers Grimm to the folk tales of the early Christians, Romans and Greeks. And she taught me a new word that I can work with as a writer "Paradoxography". Brilliant! Thanks, Robyn and Megan!
@mtheinvincible4156
9 ай бұрын
Love this. It's badly needed to bring a more Classical perspective on these books, because so many New Testament scholars only know Greek from studying Koine "New Testament" Greek which has led their translations and understandings to be circularly "theological." Yes, Pneuma can be translated (and usually was, in Classical texts ) translated as words other than "spirit" as Dr. Walsh says here!
@alanroddis126
17 күн бұрын
A powerful Roman Senatorial family called the Calpurnius Pisos wrote the Gospels, that's according to Henry Davis who states this in his newly revised and updated book "Creating Christianity". Davis explains how he discovered the "Royal Code" and how he deciphered it, Mr. Davis is an historical researcher and you will be astounded by what he reveals, l appeal to you to read the book, it's jam packed with information.
@murph8411
Жыл бұрын
Already signed up for the ‘conference’ during Bart’s broadcast on Sunday.
@bartdehrman
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Murph!
@konaboyz1690
Жыл бұрын
Here in Hawaii God has waved his hand and Exempted all churches from trash pick-up fees another great example is they'll form an exempt organization and never paid taxes net profit after they steal every dollar they can out of the exempt Foundation
@bubbercakes528
Жыл бұрын
And we all ask; why does God need money? 😏
@drgeorgek
Жыл бұрын
@@bubbercakes528you cannot worship God and mammon (money)…. But give as much mammon to God as possible
@andrewheacock7743
Жыл бұрын
I love Bart, I love Robyn Faith Walsh, and I REALLY love Megan’s glasses!
@kencreten7308
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic. Thank you both.
@khaleelorwhatever
8 ай бұрын
I have her book in my cart! Can't wait to read!
@jillmorgan7309
Жыл бұрын
Megan's glasses are great!
@VSP4591
Жыл бұрын
My hope was to find an answer to the question: Is the New Testament Actually Greek Literature? Yes, No or Maybe. At the end of the video I am more confused that ever about this. The discussion is not structured and has no answer.
@mcosu1
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm going to have to actually read her book instead of relying on YT interviews. She leaves a lot unsaid about her findings. Probably intentional to stoke interest.
@davidk7529
Жыл бұрын
I felt like the answer was clear enough, but it depends on your criteria for whether a question is answered. If you want a firm “yes” or “no”, you should avoid any academic topics, since such plain answers are only available for base principles. For complex cultural processes among the vast variety of human activities and interactions in the real world, the answer is “both,” which means the purpose of this discussion is to understand how our views of the subject matter change when we tentatively accept the proposal that the answer is “yes.”
@VSP4591
Жыл бұрын
@@davidk7529 I do not think so. After 2000 year of studying the NT we should be able to answer to this question. Probably some other people can answer. Not the lady in the video. As regarding academic topics, this channel is so appreciated due to the fact that can transmit clear ideas and messages to the people in cases of complex Biblical texts. Of course the answer is not 100% sure but within a confidence interval a specialist may say YES or NO. The NT has 27 books and the authors are anonymous except the 7 letters of Saint Paul. My expectation was to do at least a sort of literary analysis of the 4 Gospels, Acts and Revelations. The Letters are probably difficult to interpret from the point of Greek language but not impossible and many interesting ideas could emerge. Instead we have learned a lot about how difficult the text is, about German Romantic era and so on.
@anthonyzav3769
Жыл бұрын
I’d trade every manuscript of the Bible for one new Sappho poem.
@brainmoleculemarketing801
Жыл бұрын
The human brain/genome really has very few (repetitive) tropes, motifs and themes it responds to. Religion has branded the most powerful ones, eg, life after death, etc. It is worthwhile for anyone working with story telling and behavior, inlcu biz folks, artists etc - to dig into the sources. The academic professionals are doing us alla services to uncover how these magical-religious stories were cobbled together. I am studying Dr. RFW's book and others closely.
@Badumtss2468
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Bart Ehrman - Please have a debate with Dr. Brant Pitre on your claims and make it public. I see you debate everyone but not good religious scholars. Extend an invitation to him, he will not pass it down.
@rpoorbaugh
5 ай бұрын
16:30
@jps0117
Жыл бұрын
Megan's eyeglasses make me dizzy. How odd.
@harryhagman6063
Жыл бұрын
😂
@FacePaster
Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤
@UnimatrixOne
Жыл бұрын
Yeah Robyn is so very pretty 🤩
@emilromanoagramonte9190
Жыл бұрын
Were is Bart, looking for the Holy Grial... Monty Python?
@danielgibson8799
Жыл бұрын
30:55-31:12 That’s (mostly) ridiculous. P.S./Edit: this really seems like a kind of rebranding of richard carrier to sound a tad bit more palatable for academia. It’s Jesus mythicism without saying Jesus mythicism.
@Luke_Meyer
Жыл бұрын
Except she's stated other interviews that she is definitely not a mythicist and she thinks Paul was personally acquainted with people who knew Jesus.
@danielgibson8799
Жыл бұрын
@@Luke_Meyer That’s fine, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a fringe argument with very little weight that mainly appeals to mythicists.
@Luke_Meyer
Жыл бұрын
@@danielgibson8799 yes, but definitely not quite as fringe as just "Jesus never existed at all". And plenty of scholars are open to doubting how much really can be reliably known based specifically on the gospels.
@danielgibson8799
Жыл бұрын
@@Luke_Meyer It is indeed true that the Gospels (especially the ones after “Mark”) don’t provide a reliable factual life of Jesus. Doesn’t mean that Paul was educated in paideia and the Last Supper is correlated with the satyricon.
@lamalama9717
Жыл бұрын
Minnie Drivers American accent is pretty good.
@willingtolisten4978
Жыл бұрын
👏👌😊
@sextoempirico2243
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Ehrman says he's an atheist, but he's always surrounded by beautiful smart ladies. That's my idea of heaven.
@acidspaz4252
Жыл бұрын
A little too verbose without getting to the point... But she's really pretty so I finished
@harryhagman6063
Жыл бұрын
IS THIIS COURSE REALLY FREE OR I AM GETTING MY COAT TAIL PULLED ❓️NO OFFENSE 👀.
@AltCtrlSpud
Жыл бұрын
this morning I wiped my ass with a spider because there was a spider on the toilet paper O_O
@spiritualanarchist8162
Жыл бұрын
Now this comment touches on something that will change the views on the gospels for decades to come !
@chrisyoung5363
Жыл бұрын
Dont be too bloody arrogantly humorous - you don't wamt to get Spider "Vains" do you ? :)
@les318
Жыл бұрын
Those glasses are incongruous and the fan was distracting.
@davidk7529
Жыл бұрын
It’s primarily a podcast. You can listen to audio-only if that helps.
@les318
Жыл бұрын
@@davidk7529 "An addiction to distraction is the death of creative production." Robin S Sharma
@jeffryphillipsburns
Жыл бұрын
Most of this is about Robyn Walsh herself, and the rest is vague, intangible, and abstract. When the host asks for specific examples of biographies analogous to the gospels, Walsh answers instead by listing vague categories. When the host asks host asks how Walsh’s scholarly approach differs from conventional approaches, Walsh answers instead by telling a personal story about how she came to do what she did.
@gylnnteichmann4985
Жыл бұрын
She did and inserted her opinion about how they were written by slaves.
@davidk7529
Жыл бұрын
What video were you watching…? I didn’t get that impression even slightly. Maybe there was some distracting situation or preconception that made it hard to listen…? After seeing dozens of videos of this podcast, this one was perfect for augmenting the understanding I’d gained from Bart’s talks. Maybe it will sound totally different if you just come back to it later after making the rounds through the other videos.
@davidschneide5422
Жыл бұрын
Shaved head, bleached hair, nose ring, gaudy glasses, ear pierced above the lobe... Dr.Walsh proves dimes don't need accessories.
@twitherspoon8954
Жыл бұрын
Jesus is a fictional character.
@TheDanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
As far as books written, all beings in a story qualify as "characters". The question for many is who was the inspiration for the story.
@nakeebissadeen1606
Жыл бұрын
please note that the divine message was revealed to Jesus in Aramaic language in his mother tongue. Greek Gospels in New Testament are the mixture of 3 things. One, the word of God, two, what Jesus said and three what others saw in Jesus. It's a third-party account of the Gospel writers. If you consider Gospels are the inspiration from God then there were many Gospels written by others in 325AD when the New Testament was canonised by the first Nicaean council and those stories and parables contained in Gospels were transmitted by the eye witnesses not inspiration from God. Even the Gospel writers didn't even know when they wrote that their Gospels will be canonised in a scripture called Holy Bible. The Gospels are about Jesus not by Jesus. Christianity is a religion about Jesus not by Jesus.
@jeffmacdonald9863
Жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone considers all Gospels or only Gospels inspiration from God. Even those unaware that there are other Gospels also consider the rest of the Bible inspired. In theory, those Gospels (and Acts and Revelation and various letters) were considered scripture because those were the ones that were inspired, unlike all the other early Christian literature. Also, the New Testament wasn't canonised by the first Nicaean Council. That's a common misconception, but has no basis in fact. It wasn't even one of the questions. Canon developed over time and wasn't the subject of any major Council - until the Council of Trent in the 1500s. It was long solidified by then, of course.
@twitherspoon8954
Жыл бұрын
The only Bible author who claimed to have seen Jesus is Paul who asserted that he met him in a vision and described Jesus as being only a bright light. Paul actually stated that his sources were non-human, "...the gospel I preached is not of human origin." (Galatians 1:11-12). Paul further asserted that Jesus selected him alone to speak for him (Acts 9:15): "Paul is my chosen instrument to take my message to the Gentiles and to kings as well as to the people of Israel." In Romans 1:16 Paul reveals that no other gospels existed at the time, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ." The Jesus story began in 48 AD with the first of the Pauline Epistles (which comprise nearly half of the New Testament books) when Paul realized the Daniel 9:25 prophesy of a messiah expired without fulfilling so he made one up decades later and set the story decades in the past matching Jewish expectations of the messiah to make the prophesy seem true. The fulfillment of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy written in 444 BC was the test of the true messiah. By 48 AD it was known that the prophecy of a messiah coming in "seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" had not occurred on the prophesied date. It was the 69th Week and the 70th Week was soon to come. The prophesied messiah was expected and the anticipation set off a messiah craze. "Seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" is, 7 plus 60 plus 2 equals 69 total weeks. One prophetic week equals seven biblical years of 360 days (the Julian calendar was created centuries later), so 7 times 69 equals 483 total biblical years beginning with Artaxerxes' decree in 444 BC to Nehemiah to finish the wall at Jerusalem. Those 483 biblical years equal 173,880 days, or 476 Julian years. Therefore the Messiah would come and be "cut off" in AD 33. One prophetic week equaling seven Biblical years is something “Daniel” invented in about 165 BC, effectively an admission that Jeremiah 25:11-12 failed. Paul made up the entire Jesus story and added historical figures, locations, and events to add authenticity. In the Galatians "road to Damascus" conversion vision tale written in 48 AD he claimed to have gone to the Arabian desert to study the Old Testament for 17 years to align with the Daniel 9:25 prophecy. Paul's goal was to garner support for the insurrection against the Romans which began in 46 AD led by two brothers, Jacob and Simon, in the Judea province. The revolt, mainly in the Galilee, began as sporadic insurgency until it climaxed in 48 AD when it was quickly put down by Roman authorities. Both Simon and Jacob were executed. He created the fiction of having witnessed the risen messiah. He wanted to show that the messiah had come as prophesied but was murdered by the Romans. This was to entice the Gentiles to aid in the Jews' rebellion against the Romans.
@spiritualanarchist8162
Жыл бұрын
@@twitherspoon8954 Well there's Peter and his letters.
@twitherspoon8954
Жыл бұрын
@@spiritualanarchist8162 _"Well there's Peter..."_ Yes, I suppose that's correct... but Peter is likely fictional too as he exists only in the New testament and is merely church legend.
@twitherspoon8954
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffmacdonald9863 _"I don't think anyone considers all Gospels or only Gospels inspiration from God."_ Should we expect God to know what the Ten Commandments are? Which was Jesus's sixth commandment? (Notice that Jesus lists only the secular commandments that make no mention of God): 1. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Matthew 19:17-19) 2. Honor thy father and mother: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor thy father and mother. (Mark 10:19) 3. There was no sixth. Jesus listed only five commandments: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother. (Luke 18:20)
@bigtex4058
Жыл бұрын
Please keep us updated on whether Bart finds the Holy Grail.
@timandmonica
Жыл бұрын
If it ends up being anything like Mrs. Davis, for God's sake, Bart: please don't drink from it!
@christopherjohnson5575
5 ай бұрын
I've already got one. It's verra nice.
@robertbrowne7880
2 ай бұрын
@@christopherjohnson5575 Is there someone else we can talk to?
@robertbrowne7880
2 ай бұрын
He keeps his keys in it.
@BigZebraCom
Жыл бұрын
I like Bart Ehrman, but I love listening to Megan Lewis.
@Cor6196
Жыл бұрын
I agree. The only thing that deters me from listening to Bart Ehrman, whose books have taught me so much about first-century Christianity, is the brief bursts of (nervous?) laughter that so repeatedly interrupt the flow of his words. Megan Lewis, though, draws him back quickly into a more fluid, less choppy approach, and I can listen (and learn!) to their conversations from beginning to end. It’s been such an improvement over Bart’s solo performances! 👍
@thelostone6981
Жыл бұрын
I would love if they switched seats and she talk about her field of study and knowledge.
@JayBandersnatch
Жыл бұрын
What perplexes me is how Megan is still a believer with the research her husband and her have done. My wife is a believer also, but she's not an assyriologist, nor is her husband. I do like her approach and open mindedness though.
@thelostone6981
Жыл бұрын
@@JayBandersnatchPart of me wonders if there is a physiological component to belief? That we all are wired differently and that for most people, as Hume pointed out in an almost direct reference to Thomas Paine, there is an emotional component that can override logic? So no matter how much we can point out flaws, a person will be physically unable to let go? This reminds me of Mayim Balick (spelling?) from Jeopardy and Big Bang Theory and how, dispite her being a PhD level neuroscientist with mountains of literature on the subject, still justifies believing in her own higher power. I don’t know…I could be mistaken, but I just think we are wired for it and it may be impossible for most people to give up. This is NOT a slam on believers (unless they are fundamentalists and fanatical).
@JayBandersnatch
Жыл бұрын
@@thelostone6981 I understand your point, however in long term believers turned non believers, what actually happens in their brain to "let go"? I was a believer for 35 years, in fact I was a fundamentalist for those 35 years. I understand that emotion can override logic, yet with myself and many ex-fundies, logic ultimately won.
@danstracner9053
Жыл бұрын
I find Dr. Walsh’s views highly insightful and helpful. When reading the gospels (as well as other religious literature), I usually think: Creative writers at work.
@Stadtpark90
Жыл бұрын
To all the distracted guys: turn off the screen and stay with audio only 😂
@donroberts4020
3 ай бұрын
😊
@tomhenninger4153
2 ай бұрын
Amen! Her being beautiful is totaly distracting. Gotta focus! haha
@lonecandle5786
Жыл бұрын
Those glasses confuse my brain.
@MikeJw-je4xk
Жыл бұрын
Yes and fiction. In what language are the greatest mythologies written? Greek. Oral tradition or otherwise a 'game of telephone'. Science-ignorant, magic-believing, superstitious people telling grandiose stories to get others to believe in their version of Jesus.
@garycollins3908
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Ehrmans vast knowledge and expertise is endlessly fascinating, and keeps me hooked and coming back for more - the occasional guest keeps things interesting...and of course Megan's a gem! (Love the glasses).
@TupacMakaveli1996
Жыл бұрын
This one was so good. I feel it tells something about how the formation of religion happened, the coexistence of elites and commoners, their folk literature. The Greek and other literature mixed up with scholastic skills of early apostles and forming a new religion! It shows how religions form, roughly. How it mingles with local culture and becomes mainstream through time. Then we are told to believe it as the only authentic narrative. Your analysis was great. I'm glad we are not making new religions now haha.. I might get the red book only if I could afford it :pp Thanks againn
@mcosu1
Жыл бұрын
Have you followed these ufo fanatics? They are definitely creating a new religion!
@spacechecker4983
Жыл бұрын
MAGA is a religion in the making.
@mihaelastanescu1483
Жыл бұрын
18:44
@Sewblon
Жыл бұрын
"I'm glad we are not making new religions now haha.. " My boyfriend made a new religion. But he won't tell me about it. 😢
@jonmustang
3 ай бұрын
How about Scientology? Mormonism? Materialism? Communism? Scientism? Each ticks all the boxes of religious conceptualization of existence... a creation hypothesis, a "priest class" who tells you about what's real, and instructions on how you fit into it all.
@jonnykhatru
Жыл бұрын
Robin Walsh is awesome thanks for having her on the podcast
@ronaldmccomb8301
Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why the idea that any author isn’t influenced by other authors is so taboo.
@davida.taylor8444
Жыл бұрын
Particularly for the gospels this is because they are supposed to be inspired by God and a part of God's divine revelation. To say that these are influenced by Greco-Roman sources and that the gospels probably also borrowed from them almost feels like a type of apostasy and heresy if you come from a more fundamental or Evangelical point of view. Others though, may also still say that the reason that Greco-Roman text may also look like gospel text is because demons influenced and inspired the Greco-Roman text to look that way. I think that that is what Justin Martyr argues in his apologies from the 2nd Century and I have also heard personal friends use that very same argument.
@TorianTammas
6 ай бұрын
Christianity is a greek-roman cult with a jewish flavour. We have only greek sources. They are written by greek authors for a greek audience using tropes from greek literature.
@KarmasAB123
Жыл бұрын
Love those glasses, Megan
@barrymoore4470
Жыл бұрын
I was reminded of the position held by scholar and translator Jacob Rabinowitz, who emphasizes in his rewarding 1998 book 'The Unholy Bible: Hebrew Literature of the Kingdom Period', that the Jews never lived in isolation from the larger sociocultural sphere of the eastern Mediterranean, and were significantly influenced by Greek thought and literature in the centuries of Hellenization throughout the Near East. This was evidenced not only by the Septuagint that came out of Alexandria, being the Greek translation of Hebrew scripture that incorporated new texts originally composed in Greek, but also Biblical texts originally composed in Hebrew which yet are suffused with ideas and positions rooted in Greek philosophy. Rabinowitz presents and translates Ecclesiastes and Job among his examples. Rabinowitz's overriding conclusion is that ancient Judaism and its texts developed and existed in relation with the surrounding cultures of the eastern Mediterranean, and modern attempts to understand and honestly represent the tradition should acknowledge this.
@aural_supremacy
Жыл бұрын
Ancient Judaism is a confusing term because Judaism is actually slightly younger the Christianity. Confused? Allow me to explain, the movement, religion or whatever you want to call it that came into Place through Moses in the wilderness and guided the Israelites and then the kingdom of Judah and later Judaea was not Judaism. If you were to put a similar label on it it would be Levi-ism . Judah was a tribe. They ruled from David onwards but all religious matters, instructions and teachings were not only exclusively administered by the tribe of Levi, but that was there inheritance through the Law of Moses. Everyone else got land, Levites got service to the Most High, Judaism only became the de facto when the Temple was destroyed and the Levites have been reduced to singers and have the dubious honour of the first Torah reading everything else has been usurped by Jewish Rabbis and the beginnings of that is rooted in the influence of Greek thought or Hellenisation and the opposition to it which ended up producing two schools of thought Pharisees and Sadducees but if you read the travails of Moses any tribe outside the Levites that tried to gain religious power were destroyed and any Levites that tried to appropriate the priesthood that was only for the sons of Aaron, Moses brother were destroyed. The Jewish legend or mid rash that says that the Talmud, the oral law they are obsessed with came through Moses also, if it started in those times it was started by a bunch of Jewish (tribe of Judah) elders complaining in the tent, ‘let’s go back to Egypt this Moses is going to get us killed and what’s with the funny hats?’.
@TorianTammas
6 ай бұрын
@@aural_supremacy The cult of Iesuos is a greek fueled movement that is a typical greek merge with a local belief system. So what we have is competing greek-roman literature using greek tropes from Homer, Vergil, Euripides and greek philosophy mixed with some jewish ideas.
@jeanne-marie8196
Жыл бұрын
Great interview! Both participants, are so easy to listen to. I always wonder where Megan gets her glasses. Such unusual! Love them!
@bartdehrman
Жыл бұрын
We should bring on a glasses company as a sponsor! haha
@Duvan_och_Hoken
Жыл бұрын
maybe a facebookgroup dedicated to Megans glasses....
@jeanne-marie8196
Жыл бұрын
@@Duvan_och_Hoken Sign me up!
@tbishop4961
Жыл бұрын
Holy crap those glasses make me dizzy😂
@ABLovescrafting
Жыл бұрын
Temple tantrum! 10/10. I really enjoyed this discussion and Dr. Walsh's ideas.
@harryhagman6063
Жыл бұрын
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL PEOPLE 👀❓️.
@vblake530530
Жыл бұрын
“The Temple Tantrum” OMG! That’s the name of your next book Doc! Don’t know how many people have unpacked that part of the NT, but it deserves some unpacking 😊.
@klaxongreg
Жыл бұрын
Your glasses are giving me crazy eyes.
@davidfrisken1617
Жыл бұрын
Sorry Megan, but those glasses are giving me motion sickness.
@robsambosky6444
Жыл бұрын
Meghan's glasses are making me go cross-eyed.
@spiritualanarchist8162
Жыл бұрын
English glasses rule the waves ! ;)
@petermarch3144
Жыл бұрын
I would love to share a pot of tea with these scholars! They are absolutely fascinating. Great chemistry!
@diannerenn4726
4 ай бұрын
I loved this. Why wasn't the book title in the notes?
@Re-Destro
Жыл бұрын
"I was raised Catholic, I was a terrible student." Too bad we weren't in the same school, hah! P.S. Megan your glasses look absolutely ridiculous this time.
@hrh2842
Жыл бұрын
An unwelcome distraction. Speaks of a mental/psyhological imbalance.
@WolfgangRP
17 сағат бұрын
I really like that this episode took the discourse in a totally different direction. Challenging and interesting :)
@shaytheo
Жыл бұрын
What a gift!!! As a pastor and person who went to seminary and LOVED this stuff, I am really loving the opportunity to be back in the weeds, if you will. Thanks!
@mattied9203
Жыл бұрын
Great episode. Love Dr. Walsh’s perspectives!
@jimmygravitt1048
Жыл бұрын
It's not fair to the rest of us mortals that beings exist as breathtakingly beautiful and otherworldly brilliant as these two.
@mark48430
Жыл бұрын
Walsh makes an interesting point. We approach the Bible as the story of one of the most popular religions on the planet. When it was written, Christianity was a Jewish cult. The majority of people in the second century would have thought of Christianity in the same way as we think of fringe cults today.
@TupacMakaveli1996
Жыл бұрын
That is true. I also think that early christanity attracted my talented people who laid the theology and this religion became mainstream.
@TorianTammas
6 ай бұрын
It is a greek-roman cult with a jewish flavour. We have greek-egyptian merge gods and Iesous is the jewish-greek variant.
@sebolddaniel
Ай бұрын
I will settle for approaching the New Testament as strictly literature and as a product of a literary community. Fascinating what she argued about Mark injecting a Latinate influence into his Koine (Huck Finn) Greek. Seems like Jewish women were not allowed to oil up dead male bodies--according to Rabbi Singer--a lot of poetic license in these works. The Romantic British poet William Blake was very much attracted to Gnostic Christianity in poems like the The Tiger, hardly a man to take an Orthodox interpretation, but I see no Romantic nationalism in his approach, more a rebellion against orthodox religion, which perhaps is also a Romantic approach
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
9 ай бұрын
Dr. Robyn Walsh md harvad, ma from brown and phd brown, start of gospel, in dept of religion of miami focus and writes on early new testament and roamin greco lit. for also non academic audience. book tries to bridge b/w research into synoptics and other ancient greco roam literature. she started off in classics. She wondered on why some words were translated the way they were. she wanted to research paul's letters. she says the organization wasn't there, then there was branch off based of debates of the sects. 10 :00 - in her book starts of a story gustuv voltsmar, he was secular denying eclipse in crucifiction etc. and was ostrasized. says Mark has latin. Would say this word is from maccabees in old t etc. compare core message theme... some say Jesus's message was altered in city to appeal to pagans. she was catholic, talks to sister yvette. lit is affected by poli, germany was protest and resisted Catholics. folk means ppl and their writinfgs were called folk tales. this affected even disney princesses. in her dept you would bring methodology, in romantic period you can work on different texts and bible but now it's separate. but in past they focus on folk tale. says she can speak of non canon later she focus on synoptics, says its 3 authors telling same story and should have source material but may not. 20 :00 - says mark, mathew, luke and jon all took the stories of the folk or ppl of their community, put their own twist and represented the story of Jesus from their home town eyes. she says not avg. jope can read, but then says don't gend it, not avg. person. says paul is boring, but these gospels were greco roamin and says jue can be included. brings up the brother's grim. the nt writers are a scatterred ppl in 1st century. 30 :00 - says writers maybe effected by genre, structure, a cultural producers. says they are aware of epic, of homer or virgil. says this story is written with structure of roamin. so it's not just written for xtns. says look at the literary language then you can see who are the true gospel authors from those groups and how it affected the message. Canada Moss, she says if you were rich you can pay ppl to write literature for you. says many writers just make up things and be skeptical. is a detail found elsewhere, are authors trying to insert message. she tries to reconstruct, who is translating from who, who is patron, who is the so. network or level of education can help her understand some of the works says this is more tracable then illiterate spokes ppl, not saying it doesn't happen. 40 :00 - luke and mathew have pre birth, and birth narratgives, they can be called bios. Jesus isn't a typical hero, gets by by wits in Mark. Uses miracles. she discusses with David says figures like esa and alexander romance match trhi s writing. Jessica lightfoot is who she is reading, talks about thalma or wonder. - Jesus was doing alot of wonder working paradoxography is another literally structure in gospel. says how can I view this work w/o pre knwoledge. Suzanne MArshall book on roamnticism influenced her. her book origins of early xtn lit, greco romain. 50 :00 - temple tantrum is on cover.
@bobbart4198
2 ай бұрын
Oh my God ... Robyn Walsh is GORGEOUS ! ... Oops, I guess that's the wrong attitude, Huh ?
@RosaLuxembae
2 ай бұрын
Megan did a good job (as always) but it's a shame Bart couldn't make this one because it sounds like some of the things Robyn criticises are things that Bart has put forward I'm previous episodes, so it would have been nice to hear them discuss their differences in a constructive, scholarly way.
@Robert_St-Preux
Ай бұрын
Am I the only one who found this exhausting? I struggled to find a point to most of this rambling. Poor Megan hardly got a word in edgewise.
@Darisiabgal7573
Жыл бұрын
So my critique if you can call it that concerns paradoxology. I will preface the critque with this. We cannot be absolutely certain when editing occurred to the gospels. Although now it seems likely that Luke is second century and bits and pieces of the gospel of John are being added in the third century. Having said that. Paradoxollogy? Seriously. Most of what we have on this genre is after the third century. The only exception to this is On Marvelous things Heard, which is more or less a dirty laundry list of things added to a presumptive Aristotle, officially called Psuedo-aristotle and widely considered psuedepigraphy. I wish Robyn would go into more detail about subversive biographies, both extrabiblical and biblical.
@Roach9994
Жыл бұрын
Robyn is my favourite. Loved her book
@juicedgoose
Жыл бұрын
What's the betting the holy grail he's after is Cornwall's best pasty?
@rhondah1587
Жыл бұрын
What I see in the gospels are stories that pushback on the pagan gods' powers attributed to them. The gospels give their character magical powers that are equal to the many ancient gods people were very fond of. It's also obvious they used a great deal of stories from more ancient writers like Homer, changing bits here and there and repurposing them for their purpose. Also, there were lots more written than the 4 in the NT.
@fepeerreview3150
Жыл бұрын
"there were lots more written than the 4 in the NT" So true! And I wish they would get more attention. After all, the 4 were only differentiated from those others and given a uniquely special authority after more than 200 years had passed and they had undergone numerous revisions. It seems inappropriate to approach the subject of early Christianity as if all those other writings weren't also pivotal in shaping and expressing the views of the people at that time.
@jeffmacdonald9863
Жыл бұрын
@@fepeerreview3150 That's not really true though. There were certainly other Gospels, but all the evidence is that they were all later and usually more fanciful as time went on. Even in the earliest references that we can trace to the canonical 4, they're clearly seen as the most important and thus would always have had more effect on shaping the growing religion. Formal canonization was later, but just reflected what had already been long understood.
@TorianTammas
6 ай бұрын
@@jeffmacdonald9863 Every single source claims to be the only authority. So John showed how false the others were as did every other single author. They considered themselves as the ONLY true story. So to compile stories must have been done long after the death of them.
@cbrichey1
Жыл бұрын
I like Bart Ehrman, Meghan is a little too much.
@mcgie2002
Жыл бұрын
I apologise for being blunt, but the Elton John glasses theme is really starting to get to me…
@moncaman1
Жыл бұрын
These two ladies are awesome!!!...👍🤔🤗✨🤟😎...
@davidk7529
Жыл бұрын
Megan, are you reselling your frames every week at a mark-up and giving the proceeds to charity? I’ve watched dozens of episodes already and I swear I have never seen you wear the same pair of glasses twice… and they’re eye-catching every single time!
@shoblette961
Жыл бұрын
Where does Megan get her glasses I MUST know.
@dennissmith1435
Жыл бұрын
Meghan Lewis and her AWESOME glasses!
@thescoobymike
Жыл бұрын
Woah I love those glasses
@bmbrod34
Жыл бұрын
They are amazing!
@karlu8553
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic conversation. Interesting scholarship. I've heard for so long about the Jewishness of Jesus, Paul and early Christianity that seeing the gospels through a classics/Greco-Roman lens feels like a big switch...but I'm listening. This interview passed the Bechdel test with flying colors too, which was nice
@samspade225
Жыл бұрын
This approach on the gospels must be applicable on the Quran too?
@theobolt250
Жыл бұрын
Robyn gives a good insight of how contemporary filters can stand in the way of a more factual understanding, how it REALLY was then! Her approach of the material is really refreshing and therefore her contributing has added value. At least to me.
@randyallen2966
Жыл бұрын
New lecture series sounds disgusting.
@diannerenn4726
4 ай бұрын
And why not the conference link in the notes?
@MilesfromNowhere21
Жыл бұрын
Bart…Bart…Bart who???
@thecanaanite
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Walsh is an amazing scholar. Love to learn from her. Entertaining
@kevinbeck8836
Жыл бұрын
Megan! I hate your glasses! 😂😂
@LukeDewingMusic
Жыл бұрын
Would love to hear Bart’s thoughts on this these views.
@lesliemccann628
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Walsh brings so much to the table. I could listen to her all day, so glad she’s on the podcast today
@AlistairMacPherson
Жыл бұрын
How can South Africa honestly stay friendly with Russia after that? Being a South African, 10 kids with air rifles could probably successfully invade South Africa😂. Our military could not even control our civilians from rampaging, theft and destruction.
@Corey_Brandt
Жыл бұрын
She’s really smart and pretty 😍
@UnimatrixOne
Жыл бұрын
Robyn is indeed🤩
@pauledwardtrejo6903
Жыл бұрын
Say that Christianity is actually Greek and JEWISH literature, and we have a deal. Philo was well-read in Greek literature. So was Josephus. So was the Apostle Paul.
@integrationalpolytheism
Жыл бұрын
17:00 Shakespeare would be ENGLISH not British or UK, especially since the UK did not exist in his time. Robert Burns would be the relevant equivalent for Scotland.
@welcometonebalia
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@brainmoleculemarketing801
Жыл бұрын
Bottom Line: So all scholarship and narrative is solipsistic, projection? Both Freud and "selfish gene" models would agree.
@AngelRoseAngel1980
Жыл бұрын
❤
@danlds17
Жыл бұрын
13:40 - Maybe the early 1900s expositors had the attitude "I do want to seek truth, but we mustn't offend the church too much".
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