My buddies and I are always discussing how there is no resumptive pronoun in the compositional Greek. I mean, seriously, how do people not know this?
@TobiasC-mg4zk
2 күн бұрын
Underrated comment!
@franklinanderson9687
29 күн бұрын
As the knuckle-dragger I am, It sure is helpful to get carefully walked through the scholarship and evidence. Thanks again Dan.
@kamilgregor
29 күн бұрын
1:50 Ah yes, "Studien zur Septuaginta-Syntax". What a thrilling read that was. I was on the on the edge of my chair the whole time. Ilmari Soisalon-Soinnen sure knows how to take the reader on an odyssey of the mind. 10/10
@scambammer6102
29 күн бұрын
Sad that he never finished the series.
@kamilgregor
29 күн бұрын
@@scambammer6102 I have my own interpretation of the last volume according to which it is the author's intended ending. It makes sense on the assumption that the author is not trying to tie all the loose ends and is intentionally leaving the series open-ended.
@2023betterresearch
29 күн бұрын
I thought you were being sarcastic on Studien zur Septuaginta-Syntax
@robinharwood5044
29 күн бұрын
Don’t spoil it by telling us how it ends.
@Cor6196
28 күн бұрын
You’ll be happy to know that my screenplay adaptation, “Stud!” has been optioned by Netflix and is slated to start production in September of this year. We’re hoping to get at least a three-part series out of it. Stay tuned!
@beachdriving
25 күн бұрын
This guy sounds like he just got the gnarliest ride of his life on the most EPIC wave bro. 😂
@royalcreations3970
29 күн бұрын
Excellent.
@TobiasC-mg4zk
2 күн бұрын
The key to understanding some aspects of this controversy is that there is another Pentateuch that was written down independently of either the Septuagint and the Masoretic texts. The Samaritan Pentateuch is much closer to the Masoretic reading. Interestingly the main divergence between these is in Deuteronomy 27 where the Israelites are told to build an altar. The Masoretic says mount Ebal. The Samaritan Deuteronomy says Mount Gerizim. When the oldest Torah copy was discovered at Qumran amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls library it was discovered that their Torah states its Gerizim! So we can deduce that the Samaritan Pentateuch is the original text and that the Septuagint is a copy of the later Masoretic text.
@williamtalty4378
26 күн бұрын
@ladybabylon should do a sit down with you.
@danjohnston9037
29 күн бұрын
But what about the "Time Stream " , Man ? That sounded Far Out and Groovy 🤪
@jamesjarvis3486
29 күн бұрын
Don't cross the time streams.
@azurejester1520
29 күн бұрын
It's okay if it's the homies
@benjamintrevino325
20 сағат бұрын
When Dan says, "Alright, let's see it," you can be 99.999% sure you're not going to see it.
@2023betterresearch
29 күн бұрын
Oh man that man smokes lots of salmon
@AffectionateComputerChip-re4iq
29 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 I think Billy Carson would talk about this
@Mughicoeurl
29 күн бұрын
There's fingerprints hinting at a Greek origin for at least some passages, such as when Yahweh was about to kill Moses and Zipporah circumcises their son: in the LXX she kneels at Moses feet and says "the blood of the circumcision is staunched (stopped bleeding)", but in the hebrew nonsensically touches Moses feet with the foreskin as if a blood magic ritual to ward off Yahweh. As if a translator from greek to Hebrew didn't know the Greek for "staunched" and translated without learning, thus changing from the LXX straightforward narrative about the importance of circumcision to incoherent story where Zipporah making a blood offering to Moses feet, as he read the greek as: Yahweh about to kill Moses and Zipporah circumcises their son, then....something about Moses feet....and.....blood of the circumcision.....then Yahweh spares Moses and leaves. My hypothesis would be that the hebrew source material was mostly just lists of laws, lists of patriarchs, and some poetic and liturgical material, while anything with a dramatic narrative where a plot unfolds or has dialog between characters, or where a god appears with anthropomorphic features, including the bulk of the "J-source", was originally greek to provide narrative scaffolding for the limited hebrew source material. The books of Moses also seem to have been edited together by someone who didn't understand how dramatic narrative works, as he stitches together contradictory stories with no concern for overall coherence, further demonstrating that dramatic narrative was a greek innovation that semitic people didn't originally share.
@fre2725
29 күн бұрын
Three things to think about: 1) Couldn't a Greek translator have rendered it that way to make it more sensible? The Hebrew was difficult or fragmentary and thus they added a plausible sounding word? 2) It seems kind of racist to assume that Semites didn't compose dramatic narrative, that it had to come from Greeks. And it's wrong, given that other Semitic people groups had narrative materials going back further (Assyrians and Canaanites). 3) The continuous books of the Bible (Genesis through Kings minus Ruth) make mention of older sources that appear to have been composed as poetic narrative. They are clearly in more archaic Hebrew than the surrounding text. The logical conclusion would be that the audience would be reading a whole Hebrew composition with older excerpts, but all intelligible (unless the intended audience was bilingual).
@gabitamiravideos
29 күн бұрын
@@fre2725 Scholars have long known about contradictions and duplicates in the Bible, and they have discovered that they tend to have characteristics that make them more of a way to keep different groups included (groups that have concerns and variants of their myths).
@Winning33
25 күн бұрын
Very good point.
@Winning33
25 күн бұрын
@@fre2725 "more sensible"? It completes changed the story and pretty drastically so whoever changed it greatly mistranslated/warped the text to their liking.
@fre2725
25 күн бұрын
@@Winning33 I'm not sure who's replying to whom in this thread, but to expand on that change specifically: the speculation is that circumcision originated as a coming-of-age/marriage rite before it was ever applied to infants. So the Hebrew story (which is only a fragment) has a kind of ironic joke that was totally lost in later times. I can see a Greek translator just scratching their head at the Hebrew (because it no longer made sense) and doing a highly speculative "correction."
@brielleanyez7113
Күн бұрын
Thankyou ❤
@ryanchicago6028
29 күн бұрын
According to Oxford, the book of Matthew was also not originally written in Hebrew.
@gabitamiravideos
25 күн бұрын
Indeed. None of the books of the New Testament were written in Hebrew. By that time Greek was the lingua franca among the literate. Paul spoke Greek and wrote in Greek. So did the authors of the Gospels (who were not any of the disciples). But the last book of Hebrew Bible was composed centuries earlier. And the author being addressed here makes claims about the Hebrew Bible.
@MindForgedManacle
25 күн бұрын
Because Matthew is in the New Testament. The Septuagint was of the 5 Books of Moses, not the New Testament.
@gabitamiravideos
25 күн бұрын
@@MindForgedManacle Eventually the Septuagint included later books of the Hebrew Bible, and books of the apocrypha.
@MindForgedManacle
25 күн бұрын
@@gabitamiravideos That is not what is being referred to here as the Septuagint. You're talking about the genericization of the term later on, not the original Greek translation of the Torah which was THE Septuagint.
@gabitamiravideos
24 күн бұрын
@@MindForgedManacle My bad. In any event, only religious believers dispute the fact that the New Testament was written in Greek. (To be honest, reducing this to the Pentateuch raised more questions than it answered, but this is not the place to make them).
@scottyvanantwerp
29 күн бұрын
Love your breakdowns and examples...
@rogersacco4624
29 күн бұрын
It's all examining men's speculations put to writing.They didn't know what they didn't know .
@stevebryan2446
29 күн бұрын
When he said "Ah, you can just tell" I lost my shit 🤣🤣🤣
@kydoko
29 күн бұрын
You can tell by the way it is
@nairbvel
29 күн бұрын
What he meant was, "No, I just interpret it that way... that's my story and I'm sticking with it."
@zefciu
29 күн бұрын
Can you give us an example of such phrase? You can just tell.
@COSMOS_AND_SUPER_ULTRA_MIND.
26 күн бұрын
☝ Do you know that even in the Talmud it is written that the text LXX (Septuaginta) is correct??? Also, do you know that even in the Torah, in its first books, it is written that the Lord God speaks of Himself in the plural??? Do you know exactly about this??? This is precisely from the stories of the creation of the World and also from the story of the Tower of Babel, and also from the story of Abraham!!! Really take this and start checking this everywhere!!!
@zefciu
26 күн бұрын
@@COSMOS_AND_SUPER_ULTRA_MIND. Cite the Talmud fragment that you invoke.
@alex-qe8qn
29 күн бұрын
It is now essential to read the fourth revised and expanded edition, 2022, of Emanuel Tov’s book, “The Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible”! Questions of Masoretic Text, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint, Dead Sea Scrolls, Judean desert finds, etc., are all expertly handled, taking account of recent scholarship!
@n1devine
28 күн бұрын
The person who you are responding to is Dr. DC Ammon HIllman. He is a bit of his bio. "Dr. DC Ammon Hillman earned his MS in Bacteriology and Ph.D. in Classics from the University of Wisconsin Madison, where he specialized in Ancient Greek and Roman medicine and pharmacy. His first book, 'The Chemical Muse,' was published with St. Martin’s Press immediately after his dissertation committee forced him to delete all references to recreational drugs from his thesis." I've taken this excerpt from "The Sacred Speaks" information provided when Dr. Hillman appeared on that podcast. I invite you to speak directly to Dr. Hillman on your KZitem channel, so that the two of you can have a scholarly discussion about this.
@rsmith7994
26 күн бұрын
👆👏👏👏 Well said.
@TheFrugalMombot
26 күн бұрын
😂
@gabitamiravideos
25 күн бұрын
The one thing you won’t find in his bio is Biblical Hebrew. He said he didn’t need it in by order to make his assertions about which was the original text, which is bad methodology. The Septuagint has its number of famous weird takes that are easily explainable because of bad translation.
@immrnoidall
17 күн бұрын
"Dr. DC Ammon Hillman is giving a class on youtube. It's very good but his voice cracks me up, and freaks me out. lol. He speaks in sarcasm.
@wingedinfinity6715
13 күн бұрын
@@immrnoidallHe speaks in riddles. That should answer the questions for most people. This is all just confirmation for me that humans are programmed to be easily led.
@brock2k1
29 күн бұрын
I'm betting that creator doesn't know enough Greek to find a frat house.
@owenswabi
19 күн бұрын
He’s a Greek philologist
@creamwobbly
29 күн бұрын
I love that it seems they got tired of translating! Or handed off the work to junior translators. Things like this make the history of the Bible so much more interesting than the lie of it being anything like inspired and guided by magic.
@robinharwood5044
29 күн бұрын
Very likely. Translating is pretty boring anyway, so having to plough through the turgid junk of the OT would be absolutely soul destroying. I’m surprised anyone ever finished it.
@thomasdalton1508
29 күн бұрын
Even if the Septuagint didn't contain lots of Hebrew idioms, it wouldn't mean it wasn't translated from Hebrew. It could just have been translated competently. When you translate idioms, you are supposed to use a corresponding idiom from the new language. The argument here is one only someone that doesn't understand how translation works could make. (And someone that doesn't know Ancient Greek, of course.)
@cpnlsn88
29 күн бұрын
That implies they translated like it was the NIV. I don't think they translated like that except for wisdom literature.
@thomasdalton1508
29 күн бұрын
@@cpnlsn88 I'm not sure what you are trying to say...
@cpnlsn88
29 күн бұрын
@@thomasdalton1508 the NIV exemplified exchanging ST for TL language. Few Bibles before that embraced that methodologically, though more have recently.
@thomasdalton1508
29 күн бұрын
@@cpnlsn88 All translations that want to be remotely useful translate meaning, not words. That has always been the case. Consider the KJVs rendering of Amos 4:4. The literal Hebrew says "three days" but the KJV says "three years" because they understood it to be idiomatic. It is common in Hebrew to treat years figuratively as days (talking about a week of years and a Sabbath year every seven years, etc) and the translators thought that was happening here, so translated it as years to make the meaning clear to readers that aren't familiar with Hebrew idioms. (Later translations typically render it as the literal "days", since it isn't entirely clear what the intention is. It certainly doesn't literally mean they should tithe every three days, which would be absurd, but the absurdity may be intentional hyperbole, which is lost in the KJV rendering.)
@cpnlsn88
29 күн бұрын
@@thomasdalton1508 Not really. Some tend to follow more literally, some are smoother in the TL.
@AaronDaley117
2 сағат бұрын
So Carl Ruck is also wrong?
@dezukaful
29 күн бұрын
It would be so much better if you interacted directly with the work of Russel Gmirkin instead.
@ready1fire1aim1
29 күн бұрын
It's interesting how the Septuagint matches the Samaritan Pentateuch so much better than the Masoretic text version.
@JopJio
29 күн бұрын
Not true at all. We also dont have a single Lxx but many versions of it. They also was never a single Lxx. Christians themselves admit to have had different Lxx versions and they some them started to prefer the Hebrew text
@ready1fire1aim1
29 күн бұрын
@@JopJio Yes, it's true. There's between six thousand and seven thousand differences between the Samaritan version and the Masoretic version and the Septuagint matches the differences of the Samaritan version.
@COSMOS_AND_SUPER_ULTRA_MIND.
26 күн бұрын
☝ Do you know that even in the Talmud it is written that the text LXX (Septuaginta) is correct??? Also, do you know that even in the Torah, in its first books, it is written that the Lord God speaks of Himself in the plural??? Do you know exactly about this??? This is precisely from the stories of the creation of the World and also from the story of the Tower of Babel, and also from the story of Abraham!!! Really take this and start checking this everywhere!!!
@bbeenn
7 күн бұрын
He should go after you for Slander.
@anthonypeterson9686
29 күн бұрын
We need some greek translation refutiation for this guy
@Dr.Bitterbrains-xf9pr
29 күн бұрын
He needs to step to the challenge of Dr.Ammon Hillman
@dundeemink3847
29 күн бұрын
My wife has gone to the West Indies. Jamaica?......I wonder how well this translates from English.
@robinharwood5044
29 күн бұрын
I just tried rendering it into Swedish, and again into Japanese. As expected, didn’t work either way. (There was a film in which POWs were rehearsing for a concert party and used that one. The real joke was that Richard Wattis (you remember him) had to look at his script for the response.)
@CriticalEatsJapan
28 күн бұрын
Probably as well as a lead balloon...
@welcometonebalia
29 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@lisaboban
29 күн бұрын
So many conspiracy theories, so little time. Sigh... Now I have to go down the rabbit hole as to why this guy thinks there is no original Hebrew Bible.
@k98killer
29 күн бұрын
His main argument is that there really wasn't an ancient Hebrew literary culture, while by comparison the ancient Greeks had a flourishing literary culture. Iirc he posits that the Hebrew language and Hebrew scriptures were reconstructed from fragments after the Babylonian exile. If he stuck to his main points about the evidence of early influence on the Hebrew religion from neighboring cultures, he could make a pretty strong case, but as far as I can tell he is greatly overstating his case with this claim.
@lisaboban
29 күн бұрын
@@k98killer Thank you.
@k98killer
29 күн бұрын
@@lisaboban no problem
@JDrocks4ever
29 күн бұрын
@@k98killerYeah, and the case for the adoption from neighboring nations is fairly strong and expected. It shouldn’t be surprising that there are similarities in their thought to Egyptian, Persian, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, thoughts as these would’ve been popular in there vicinity throughout time; especially bc they we’re subjected to all of these nations at some point in time. Just goes to show that the beliefs aren’t as original as the fundamentalists would like to assert 🤷♂️
@Mendozam4
29 күн бұрын
The original septuigent was just the 5 books of Moses right?
@Canaanitebabyeater
29 күн бұрын
Yeah, or that's what's been claimed at the very least. David Solomon briefly touched on this in his lecture on Jewish history. I'll leave a link below if you're curious (he discusses this at 42:11). kzitem.info/news/bejne/26il3plmi1-SZpwsi=53VPkwXwUqbZgrRl
@JopJio
29 күн бұрын
Yes and this fable also has never been proven. There was also never a single Lxx, because people just made "translations" and called them lxx. So there were many different Lxx versions
@Mendozam4
28 күн бұрын
@@Canaanitebabyeater thanks!
@Ishco
28 күн бұрын
How high is this dude?
@bogdy72000
12 күн бұрын
how low are you ? ! :D
@icollectstories5702
29 күн бұрын
What concerns me more about the Septuagint is how the individual books were chosen. It sounds like a random stack of books that survived while others didn't. Do the rabbis think these were the Most Important Books as selected by a cleric? Do they believe there are texts missing from this collection? Are there books that seem to be of dubious value for religious study? Are we missing much from the Histories between Kings David and Josiah?
@Darisiabgal7573
28 күн бұрын
You are mistaken in the phrasing of the question. The Septuagint is only the “five Books of Moses” (Pentateuch) Septuagint refers to the putative 70 Jewish scribes hired by the Ptolemaic Emperor in Alexandria to translate the Torah. “The Septuagint (/ˈsɛptjuədʒɪnt/ SEP-tew-ə-jint), sometimes referred to as the Greek Old Testament or The Translation of the Seventy (Ancient Greek: Ἡ μετάφρασις τῶν Ἑβδομήκοντα, romanized: Hē metáphrasis tôn Hebdomḗkonta), and often abbreviated as LXX, is the earliest extant Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible from the original Hebrew. The full Greek title derives from the story recorded in the Letter of Aristeas to Philocrates that "the laws of the Jews" were translated into the Greek language at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285-247 BCE) by seventy-two Hebrew translators-six from each of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Quick Facts Also known as, Date ... Biblical scholars agree that the first five books of the Hebrew Bible were translated from Biblical Hebrew into Koine Greek by Jews living in the Ptolemaic Kingdom, probably in the early or middle part of the third century BCE.” Around 276. However, this is not the end of the story. Other Greek translations of the books of the Tanakh (three forms- Law, writings, prophets- of composition in the Hebrew Bible) began to appear in the Greco Roman world and were curated by Christian scholars like Origin in the 2nd and 3rd century CE, so 400 hundred years after the original Septuagint you have Christian scholars adding books to the Septuagint and editing the original text. All extant text are derived from these curated copies, we do not have much in the way of the original Septuagint with the possible exception of fragments derived into the DSS. Origin himself studied Hebrew, but largely what he was using was spurious Greek texts that appeared that he fused and edited, sometimes correcting, sometimes imparting his Christian take. By the time of the reformation there were so many contradicting variants in the Old Testament that the English scribes decided to retranslate the Hebrew Bible. So for example Matthew misquotes the Hebrew Bible on a couple of occasions, we cannot be certain that these are inventions or whether he was relying on a bad Greek translation of the Hebrew texts. This is demonstrable that Matthew was not a disciple.
@icollectstories5702
28 күн бұрын
@@Darisiabgal7573 Thanks for the correction. I guess I should have asked this about the Tanakh instead. Bottom line, there is no consensus on what constitutes the Tanakh or Old Testament, and varies by Jewish or Christian sect. Each section may have begun with different sources and may have been edited and translated by different groups at different times. To say that it is all the inerrant Word of God is to be a generous soul indeed.
@Darisiabgal7573
28 күн бұрын
@@icollectstories5702 The greater collection is called the Hebrew writings. John Hamer over at Centerplace has a video about the texts that compose the various bibles. We know that there were older sources because the Bible says there were, but we don’t have them all. There were additional stories of Daniel that were found in the Dead Sea scrolls. As well as a lot of other stuff scholars think was circulating about, like the Enochic literature and Jubilees. The Masoretic text is the preserved text of rabbinical Judaism that evolved from pharisetic teaching scrolls and added to by the oral Torah (Mishnah and its Halakhic material and the various Talmuds) All of these supported each other to create Judaism whereas certain text were left behind. It’s like if you went to Judea during the second BCe to first century CE you would have seen a variety of sects of Judaism being practiced. Some of the variants curated their own texts but other might have copies for comparison purposes. The one day 2 of the more notorious sects disappear, the remaining sect does not feel the need to curate material form sects that died out, but they might take excerpts from the text and include them in the Talmudic conversations and the Midrash. When a group of believers died out, it was considered that their god died, but what it really means that no one tells their stories of their god anymore, but those stories are often adapted for use in the practices of the surviving sects.
@user-fu7mu2bs5y
28 күн бұрын
Dan, please consider debating Dr. Ammon Hillman in the public square live.
@ronjones1414
29 күн бұрын
First blush, the translators were getting less and less interested in the process as they went through the Torah.
@robinharwood5044
29 күн бұрын
Fair dos. Translation is pretty boring anyway, and ploughing through the turgid masses of the OT must be a real slog. I’m surprised anyone ever finished it.
@timothymalone7067
29 күн бұрын
Thanks! As I keep listening I begin to appreciate the phrase “it’s all Greek to me”. I don’t even have phrase to reflect my ignorance of Hebrew. Keep feeding us truth Dan. It is appreciated.!!!
@user-gk9lg5sp4y
29 күн бұрын
I always wonder when apologetics are so wrong, if it's just ignorance or deliberate misinformation.
@k98killer
29 күн бұрын
This isn't an apologetic argument. This is a fringe source critical argument.
@user-gk9lg5sp4y
29 күн бұрын
@@k98killer OK. My statement still stands.
@k98killer
29 күн бұрын
@@user-gk9lg5sp4y okay. In this case, I think it is a mix of factors. DCA Hillman has mostly studied ancient medical texts and attestations of ancient mystery cults. My guess is that if he was to state his case about the Septuagint in detail, it would include the oldest fragments rather than the modern Rahlfs-Hanhart LXX. I don't think he has a particularly strong case to make, though, as this is just another rhetorical point for emphasizing the importance and influence of Greek culture rather than the main focus of his study.
@cedricgaming5106
29 күн бұрын
Apologetics is the defense of the faith, like believing in Jesus Christ, and being God. It is an apologetics job to defend that belief to be true. I don't think no apologetic who is legitimate study. We'll have a problem with what Dan is saying here. I know I certainly don't
@user-gk9lg5sp4y
29 күн бұрын
@cedricgaming5106 You might not, but every single religious apologist I have ever seen is lying to themselves and/or their audience
@dadkingcoffey8333
5 күн бұрын
PLEASE DO A DEBATE WITH THAT FOOL . AMMON IS OUT OF HIS MIND
@thomast5948
29 күн бұрын
The story that King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher". God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did. This is utter fiction. Ancient Hebrew was an inferior language compared to the Greek. They were not only incapable of translating Greek at that time, but also constructed a narrative that was self serving. Ancient Hebrew has only 8000 unique words compared to Ancient Greek 250k - 500k.
@avishevin3353
28 күн бұрын
Given that pretty much all our knowledge of ancient Hebrew and its vocabulary come from the Hebrew Bible, it's quite a stretch to assume that the words contained therein are the sum total of Hebrew vocabulary from the era.
@immrnoidall
17 күн бұрын
@@avishevin3353 Why would you think the known Hebrew vocabulary , was only derived from the bible alone? please research and study first, then speak. The biblical knowledge of DOCTOR, Ammon Hillman, is unmatched.
@avishevin1976
17 күн бұрын
@@immrnoidall There has been very little Hebrew text from the era that is not from the Hebrew Bible. Yes, there are _later_ extra-Biblical texts, but they represent a significantly smaller sample, and they don't contain much in the way of unique vocabulary. There's also the occasional clerical record or an inscription found. Again, insignificant relative to the corpus of the Bible.
@cpnlsn88
29 күн бұрын
Thank you for this technical explanation. On a more intuitive level it seems to me the diction of the Jewish Scriptures is semitic with plays on words and semitic expressions. Another problem is the Jewish texts as we have them have multiple sources. At some poi t that is beyond debate, though finer points can be argued about. If the original is the LXX then there's too much retelling and overlap and inconsistency of stories. Quite apart from multiple tellings there is such a disparity of style and approach in given books and that is hard to create as artifice.
@BlackLionSupreme
29 күн бұрын
Yeah I use to believe that the Septuagint had to be the original until I started to study what an translation looks like. But one thing the guy said is true we don't have any copy of an Hebrew text to say this is what the Greeks used to create the Septuagint.
@JopJio
29 күн бұрын
Not true. Early Gentiles or Converts to Judaism knew that the Lxx differed from the Hebrew and prefered other Greek transatlations. And there was never a single Lxx but many different Greek versions called Lxx. Origen also edited his versions and most versions come from Christians.
@BlackLionSupreme
29 күн бұрын
@@JopJio show me a copy of the Hebrew text older than the Septuagint.
@JopJio
29 күн бұрын
@@BlackLionSupreme the Dss are older. The many Lxx versions we have come from mostly Christians and those Xtians admitted e have many different Greek versions. And the fable of the "orginal lxx" says it only contained the 5 books of Moses. There is no evidence that it ever existed and the OT was written originally in Hebrew and Aramaic and not Greek. The believers also were 99% HEBREW . The lxx versions we have also include books who are apokrypha. Origen also edited the versions he knew
@BlackLionSupreme
29 күн бұрын
@@JopJio okay so the DSS is not the Hebrew text it's copies of manuscripts of the OT. No biblical scholars says that the Greeks used the DSS to create the Septuagint. Now I said we know that the Septuagint is an translation from the Hebrew ,but that doesn't change the fact that we have no Hebrew bible we can say was used in order to make that translation whatsoever.
@JopJio
29 күн бұрын
@@BlackLionSupreme the DSS is still older than any Lxx version we have and less edited and more reliable. you said the Lxx was what Greeks used. And i said we don't even have a single Lxx and even Gentiles themselves prefered other translations because people just made their own "translations" and called them Lxx.
@woolybooger7770
29 күн бұрын
Dazed and Confused
@brianozment9608
23 күн бұрын
I wonder how far into the future people will sit around and argue about who is right and wrong about nonsense, fairytales, and bullshit. What a waste time it's amazing
@owenswabi
19 күн бұрын
Is it a waste of time? It’s one of the wonders of the human mind.
@brianozment9608
19 күн бұрын
@@owenswabi you're right 👍 if it weren't for arguments like these I would have never freed my mind from the lies of Christianity.
@owenswabi
18 күн бұрын
@@brianozment9608 dull life
@xx99Username99xx
29 күн бұрын
Was the guy in the clip maybe thinking of the New Testament? Because in my circles, it seems like a lot of Christians operate under the assumption that the Khoine Greek of some or all of the New Testament was translated from a (now lost) Aramaic original, when we have every reason to think the NT's original text was indeed Greek. I feel like that guy might have heard something about that debate and mixed it up with something he heard about the Hebrew Bible / Dead Sea Scrolls. Otherwise, I'm having a hard time seeing why anyone would even try to make that argument.
@Zacchus
28 күн бұрын
No Ammon is talking about the Old Testament but the New Testament was definitely written in Koine Greek.
@bogdy72000
25 күн бұрын
it was written in the Septuaginta that you r a spammer
@gabitamiravideos
29 күн бұрын
Yes, the guy that thinks the Septuagint was the “original” because it had more words than the Hebrew version, which according to him this “naturally” meant that the Hebrew language lacked concepts that Greek did have. He probably hasn’t done many translations. When you don’t have a single word to express a concept in the target language it’s very common to use more words than in the original to render a meaning or it’s nuances. In Spanish the word “banco” is used for the words “bank”, “ bench”, and as part of the phrase “banco de peces”, which is “shoal of fish”. One word in Spanish, with three different concepts and meanings rendered with it. He was asked if he had studied Biblical Hebrew, and he admitted he hadn’t, and that he didn’t needed to validate his hypothesis. 🤦🏻♀️ And of course, the distinctions in style and language use that exists in the different parts of the Hebrew Bible were totally lost to him. So Dan has his work cut out for him, not only having to deal with wacky apologetics, but also with scholars dubious academic practices..
@MitzvosGolem1
29 күн бұрын
The original Septuagint 72 rabbis were forced ( 10th of Tevet is a fast day on our Hebrew calendar because of such forced transition)to translate into Greek was only Genesis to Deuteronomy. Not the rest. Much later Apostate Hellenists translated the Lxx balance of Hebrew scripture Tankah modified edited translation ( removed Isaiah 2:22 and other passages). Much later Church father Origen put together the Old testament using hexapla method using Hebrew Aramaic Koine Greek much later. So these people claim that Jews never had any original Hebrew scripture? Oy vey. Nudniks Excellent channel 👍😂
@hectorlarios8689
29 күн бұрын
Oh, yeah. Ammon Hillman. Take everything that guy says with a ton of salt! I don´t know Greek, but I'm pretty good at Hebrew. I've seen him working through Hebrew and his knowledge of Hebrew is laughable.
@duncansonoryan
29 күн бұрын
Who is this guy? I tried looking him up but can't find anything that isn't by him or those he's invited to speak by. This removing of the OT from it's Hebrew origins stinks of antisemitism...
@hectorlarios8689
29 күн бұрын
@@duncansonoryan As we'd say in Mexico "sólo lo conocen en su casa" (only his family knows who he is). He's also promoting this idea of Jesus ch!ld m0lest!ng, wearing a corset and other stuff.
@tsemayekekema2918
29 күн бұрын
Don't take him seriously on anything that's outside CORE-Classical Greek/Roman stuff
@tsemayekekema2918
29 күн бұрын
What's the most annoying is that he & Neal (Gnostic Informant) are NEVER teachable when called out on their nonsensical fringe etymologies & linguistic assertions that require ignorance of Hebrew to accept
@MoreLifePlease
29 күн бұрын
@tsemayekekema2918 Or bacteriology? 😆
@baxterwilliams2170
26 күн бұрын
Wish Dan would have addressed the Greek idioms in the Septuagint that Dr. Hillman referenced in the clip. Are their Greek idioms? Does this mean the translator was creating a small piece here? Or does it mean the translator was being less literal wih translation?
@robstreet1630
29 күн бұрын
I double dare you...say what again! Look at Deuteronomy 23: 17-18 and demonstrate/show/prove the Biblical Hebrew root for the supposed translated Greek word τελεσφόρος (telesphoros) I'm assuming you know more than most; about how the Biblical or Ancient or Drastically Basic Hebrew of the 3rd Century BC could be translated into this kind of sophisticated word; A word that in actual fact (ironically) - Is the name of the Pope in the 2nd Century AD. Gave us Easter you know? Although the verse has traditionally been interpreted as a reference to cult prostitution, there is no good evidence for such a practice in ancient Israel or its surroundings. Specifically a prostitute of the cult variety. So why the requirements for the word? Did all 72 scholars just stick the word in there by some sort of synchronised phenomena? All the best Dan; You'll be outdoing Oxford I'm not expecting a reply.
@avishevin3353
28 күн бұрын
Most of the words are English, but they don't form coherent thoughts.
@BrentJohnson-ki7jy
28 күн бұрын
This is all based on the assumption that the legend of the LXX’s composition and all of the details (i.e. all 72 mss were exactly the same) actually happened. That’s not a great propositional position to begin your argument.
@francesconicoletti2547
22 күн бұрын
I’m looking at Bible Gateway’s parallel Hebrew English of Deuteronomy 23:17-18 . I don’t see anything resembling telesphoros. Could you point to what you are actually referring to ? A law banning something tends to indicate that thing exists. So these passages would be evidence for ritual prostitution. Most of what I have read puts the composition of these passages in the 7th century BC . How do you reason they were composed four centuries later ?
@shanegooding4839
29 күн бұрын
The Septuagint is also closer to the Samaritan Pentateuch than the Hebrew Pentateuch. If the Hebrew Bible came from the Septuagint it's Pentateuch would be closer to it than the Samaritans is.
@k98killer
29 күн бұрын
Not sure I follow the logic here. The Masoretic did not come from the Septuagint because the LXX is more similar to the Samaritan; therefore the Septuagint and Samaritan came from the Masoretic? And somehow this would be different if the Greek came first?
@JopJio
29 күн бұрын
The Dss are closer to the Mt. The Samaritan torah also only contains the torah and not the whole Ot
@k98killer
29 күн бұрын
@@JopJio not completely. Some of the readings from the DSS were better preserved in the Septuagint. But I think I get your argument.
@JopJio
29 күн бұрын
@@k98killer the MT is still more close to the DSS as a whole. I am not speaking about 99,99% similarity
@alex-qe8qn
29 күн бұрын
The reading of the fourth edition of Emanuel Tov’s book, on The Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible, is now essential!
@iamfiefo
29 күн бұрын
What was the guy in the original video smoking? Asking for a friend.
@Antidoton
6 күн бұрын
A lot of common folk coming to the knowledge . Not your usual crowd but with experience of a vast knowledge you do not possess.You are going to need a better explanation than ridiculous. If this gets out the whole show is over and im sorry for those that misunderstood their own jobs. The job just got harder.
@DaveHawthorne-lk9mz
28 күн бұрын
This guy comes across as an angry person. Is he interested in the truth or Truth? Does he read ancient greek? Listen to Ammon. Decide for yourself what you believe. So you want to live under angry monist talibs, or do you want freedom, knowledge and wisdom.
@BrentJohnson-ki7jy
27 күн бұрын
Textbook non-sequitur.
@DaveHawthorne-lk9mz
27 күн бұрын
@@BrentJohnson-ki7jy wow. You're deep.
@BrentJohnson-ki7jy
26 күн бұрын
@@DaveHawthorne-lk9mz Thanks.
@francesconicoletti2547
22 күн бұрын
Is angry monism a thing I can research ? Given that everyone from Stoics to Marxist are Monists it would help me if you could tell me which branch of monism is taken up by Angry Monists.
@TobiasC-mg4zk
2 күн бұрын
They are an ancient offshoot of the Jolly Monists. I could provide some sources for this but I’m too busy rubbing purple koolaid powder into my eye sockets.
@theoutspokenhumanist
29 күн бұрын
let's face it, this type of nonsense would be undetectable to the average person. I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and well-read but I have to take Dan's word for all of it. That doesn't mean I would believe the space cadet but how could I possibly argue against him? Two things to take from this. Be thankful we have Dan and others like him and be very very sceptical of anything you see on social media. The wilder it sounds, the more it is probably made up. I always ask myself, if it's true, why am I hearing it on Tik Tok or You Tube and not through the media reporting on a peer reviewed study?'
@avishevin3353
28 күн бұрын
Dan provides sources. You don't have to take his word for it.
@theoutspokenhumanist
28 күн бұрын
@@avishevin3353 Whilst you are technically correct, understanding the subtleties of the different styles of Greek when compared to biblical Hebrew and Aramaic takes a little more than just looking up a reference in a book. That's why we have scholars. But you are right that, like science, these things may be verified personally if one is prepared to put in the work. The same cannot be said for the claims of religion. Thanks for your comment.
@COSMOS_AND_SUPER_ULTRA_MIND.
26 күн бұрын
👎👎
@theoutspokenhumanist
26 күн бұрын
@@COSMOS_AND_SUPER_ULTRA_MIND. Thank you for adding such insight to the debate. Not sure if you disagree, or just do not approve or maybe just don't like something but thanks anyway.
@COSMOS_AND_SUPER_ULTRA_MIND.
26 күн бұрын
Do you know that even in the Talmud it is written that the text LXX (Septuaginta) is correct??? Also, do you know that even in the Torah, in its first books, it is written that the Lord God speaks of Himself in the plural??? Do you know exactly about this??? This is precisely from the stories of the creation of the World and also from the story of the Tower of Babel, and also from the story of Abraham!!! Really take this and start checking this everywhere!!!
@Zacchus
28 күн бұрын
Dan, bring Ammon on! It would be a great discussion!
@rubysfishingadventures6779
28 күн бұрын
I would to see This too🍷
@BrentJohnson-ki7jy
28 күн бұрын
It really wouldn’t.
@danielgibson8799
29 күн бұрын
Yeah it’s also basically impossible to fake the detail of isaiah 1-23. That’s obviously not coming from the 3rd or (more likely) 2nd century BCE. We have “Daniel” (164 BCE). It’s clearly not isaiah 1-23. P.S.: There are elements of the Exodus text that seem to be cognizant of the late ramesside period (which is one of the reasons why i think the text is older than Amos, Hosea, and Micah and dates to around 925-920 BCE). These are not details being made up in the 7th-6th centuries BCE, let alone the 3rd.
@duncansonoryan
29 күн бұрын
What's the point of trying to remove the OT from it's Hebrew origins? Like, why would someone argue that. It stinks of a few things I can think of.
@ronjones1414
29 күн бұрын
My entering assumption is to satiate a desire for notoriety and make money.
@sasropakis
29 күн бұрын
The authors of the NT and other early Christians used the Septuagint. So I guess if one wants to argue that they were right and used the "better" version the next step would be to argue that the Septuagint was indeed the original one.
@ronjones1414
29 күн бұрын
@sasropakis they used the Septuagint because it's all they had?
@sasropakis
29 күн бұрын
@@ronjones1414 The NT was written in Greek and Greek was widely understood so I was rather natural to use the Septuagint. This doesn't mean that the Hebrew Bible was somehow lost or completely inaccessible though. If the authors of the NT made some arguments based on the text of the Septuagint but the text of the Hebrew Bible would have different meaning this would mean that they were actually wrong which would cause some problems. A good example is Isaiah 7:14 where the Septuagint uses the word "virgin" but the Hebrew Bible just "young woman". So are the stories of the virgin birth based on a mistake or is the Septuagint just more correct? And if it's based on a mistake what would this mean to the supposed inerrancy of the NT? But if one argues that the Septuagint was actually the original text then this would mean that the authors of the NT were right when using it. Of course this is false interpretation but kind of useful to the apologetics.
@ronjones1414
29 күн бұрын
@sasropakis I would like you to educate me by identifying a Hebrew Bible other than the Greek that was in use and present in the time and geography in question, please.
@sanguillotine
29 күн бұрын
The dude in the clip sounds high as shit
@kennethogorman5436
29 күн бұрын
Thank you Dan. So sick of these apologists and their lying agenda
@bman5257
29 күн бұрын
Was that an apologist or just some quack?
@kennethogorman5436
29 күн бұрын
@@bman5257 Yes you’re correct; an utter quack lol
@PasteurizedLettuce
29 күн бұрын
@@bman5257antitheist apologists are literally the exact same as apologists
@dayofthejackyl
27 күн бұрын
@@PasteurizedLettucehe’s not an antitheist
@Essex626
29 күн бұрын
The hallmarks of translation are even how they knew that some of the books of the Deuterocanon/Apocrypha were originally written in Hebrew, even though they had few or no extant manuscripts in Hebrew, right? Then they found examples in the Dead Sea scrolls, confirming that the Hebrew existed? I think that's the story with Sirach, anyway.
@robsaxepga
29 күн бұрын
I've always known that believers are a little off their rockers, but after watching a month or more of these videos, I'm finding it difficult to take seriously anyone who believes this stuff, much less care to carry on a conversation with them.
@alananimus9145
29 күн бұрын
So I don't know if this is just Dan misunderstanding because of the clip but what he says here isn't actually responding to the full claim. The actual claim that he is making is not that the texts didn't exist in Hebrew before hand. He is not claiming that the Greek is fully original. He is saying the Septuagint is the original form of the collective texts. I know this because I have heard him state it elsewhere. Again what he is saying is that the original Septuagint is the first reaction of the collection. (Not the first reaction of any given text within the redaction). I do not know if I agree. I am 50/50 on it myself.
@KaiHenningsen
29 күн бұрын
If it's just the first collection, then what was all that about colloquial Greek? That only makes sense if it's the original texts and not a translation (which it isn't). Your explanation does not fit the clip.
@hardwork8395
29 күн бұрын
Ammon claims the Septuagint predates the Hebrew Bible; in other words, he thinks the Hebrew text is a derivative work. He has claimed that ancient greek has over 1.5 million unique words, as proof that this tongue was far superior to any out there, and he points to the few thousand that Biblical Hebrew has in comparison. He claims that this ruins the linguistic richness that the “original” (Septuagint) has when the Jews translated it into the “inferior” Hebrew language. His Greek word count is astronomically too high for what other scholars have estimated. His number seems to have derived from a sloppy reading of Wikipedia counts regarding the sum total of words found in all the extant Greek texts, up to a certain period, which include duplicates-not the number of unique words. He thinks Greek intellectual and linguistic richness comes from them having used drugs in orgiastic cultic rituals, along with being possessed by δαιμόνιον-some kind of divine being. He’s very invested in Greek polytheistic beliefs and cultic practices. He really thinks they were at the pinnacle of everything intellectual and divine.
@scambammer6102
29 күн бұрын
@@MandyMooreholdidn’t sound like satire
@hardwork8395
29 күн бұрын
@@MandyMoorehol I’m a satirist, too.
@alananimus9145
29 күн бұрын
@@hardwork8395 I don't have time for a full response but I want to point out one area I agree with you and one you get incorrect. I will give a more full response when I have time and a computer in front of me. We are in agreement that his argument over the number of unique words is ridiculous. It is true that ancient Greek has more words than ancient Hebrew. This is just a fact and has to be because of the difference between how widespread the two languages were. The Hebrew text for the most part is derived. This isn't really in dispute. We know this. The only real questions are where is it derived from, and what kind of derivation are they? The majority of the Hebrew text is derivative this is a plane fact. Saying the Hebrew Bible didn't exist before the Septuagint is not the same thing as saying the Hebrew texts didn't exist before the Septuagint. Many of these stories existed in independent forms prior to their collection and unification. The question is did the unification happen before, after, or alongside the creation of the Septuagint? No one gets to just assert an answer. They need to make a argument.
@deadfdr
24 күн бұрын
Hillman is 100% cringeworthy.
@MitchellRose-gi2ln
29 күн бұрын
You are a pro, no doubt. It is disappointing to hear you disparage others in somewhat disrespectful terms. I believe that you are above that.
@LukeNAndo
29 күн бұрын
I don’t agree that he was disrespectful at all. What did he say precisely that you found disrespectful?
@MitchellRose-gi2ln
28 күн бұрын
@@LukeNAndo"This is pure and utter nonsense". It concerns me that this kind of disrespect for fellow humans is so often unrecognized.
@LukeNAndo
28 күн бұрын
@@MitchellRose-gi2ln yeah I’m sorry I just don’t see that as disrespectful. That’s just Dan’s assessment of what the guy said. I think he just wants to state in no uncertain terms that there is no factual basis to what the guy was saying. I do appreciate your commitment to healthy discourse though, I just don’t agree that dan’s conduct is over the line :)
@Dr.Bitterbrains-xf9pr
29 күн бұрын
🤦im done this guy does not read greek at all if he does then step to Dr.Ammon Hillman i want proof not ideas i want sources not theories
@tbishop4961
29 күн бұрын
How are you calling אשר a pronoun?
@CrossBibleOfficial
29 күн бұрын
You could look it up on Wiktionary to find these *Usage notes*: "This conjunction is somewhat archaic, but still sees use in formal writing. Its less formal counterpart is שֶׁ־ (she-). אֲשֶׁר as a conjunction is a relativizer, which is something Standard English doesn't have. It functions somewhat like a relative pronoun, but an additional pronoun (called a resumptive pronoun) remains inside the relative clause. This can happen in English as well, when the internal structure of the clause prevents the internal pronoun from being dropped, but whereas in English it's somewhat rare and normally considered an error, in Hebrew it's quite common and quite standard. Specifically, in Hebrew the internal pronoun cannot be dropped when it's the object of a preposition."
@avishevin3353
28 күн бұрын
Dan's not a linguist. He meant preposition.
@tbishop4961
28 күн бұрын
@@avishevin3353 no he didn't. He said it repeatedly
@avishevin3353
28 күн бұрын
@@tbishop4961 Yeah, I actually looked up the term. It's a thing.
@tbishop4961
28 күн бұрын
@@avishevin3353 you "looked up the term"? Ffs🤦♂️
@BabyHoolighan
29 күн бұрын
The smoking gun is that presumptive pronoun. It's enough to set your hair on fire!
@veridicusmaximus6010
29 күн бұрын
It also has paraphrasing in trying to explain what is being translated. The LXX is interesting for sure. And there is more than one LXX.
@retromacman620
29 күн бұрын
Wow, Is there any world in which a sensible person who knows much about this subject wouldn't think that guy sounds ridiculous?! Honestly though, good to have Dan here for those who are not familiar. 😂
@COSMOS_AND_SUPER_ULTRA_MIND.
26 күн бұрын
☝ Do you know that even in the Talmud it is written that the text LXX (Septuaginta) is correct??? Also, do you know that even in the Torah, in its first books, it is written that the Lord God speaks of Himself in the plural??? Do you know exactly about this??? This is precisely from the stories of the creation of the World and also from the story of the Tower of Babel, and also from the story of Abraham!!! Really take this and start checking this everywhere!!! And start telling exactly this on your channel regularly!!! This is from the Jewish Torah, from its first books, that’s how Christians know that the Lord God is in the plural!!! And you didn’t say this anywhere on the channel!!! Because that's exactly what you don't know??? So you don’t know exactly this!!! Namely, this is the basis of the Christian worldview!!! And without this main foundation, you are in error regarding the Apostolic story from the Bible!!! Because with these statements you sow doubts in the minds of people, with these statements you continue to maintain confusion in the minds of people regarding the Apostolic story from the Bible!!! This is precisely why there should be no trust in you!!! And also learn everything about the protector of Azariah, Ananias and Mishael!!!
@davidthenewtheologian7757
29 күн бұрын
Thank god someone is reacting to this dude.
@thedude9941
29 күн бұрын
Yes This Dr Amun guy or Lady Babylon (whichever he prefers to call himself) is so obviously a charlatan.
@davidthenewtheologian7757
29 күн бұрын
@@The-Aion Dan doesn’t make you say hail Satan to learn the inner knowledge of dudes cult.
@davidthenewtheologian7757
29 күн бұрын
@@The-Aion naw I was never a member I don’t believe in the existence of such deities
@robstreet1630
29 күн бұрын
Pick one; there's plenty to choose from. Might I recommend thanking Apollo for the pure stream. Thank Athena for the wisdom and Pan for the massive hard on that you are! Because you lack the courage of your convictions.
@rocketdogticker
29 күн бұрын
Dan is correct
@helenaconstantine
29 күн бұрын
I haven't had much contact with people deeply intoxicated by Cannabis, but is the interviewee in this clip in that condition during the interview?
@birkett83
29 күн бұрын
Are you confusing pronouns and prepositions again?
@russellharrell2747
29 күн бұрын
That is his kryptonite
@CrossBibleOfficial
29 күн бұрын
@russellharrell2747 "Where" is not a preposition, if that's what you mean. In English, it's a relative adverb that introduces a relative clause, as in "...where something happened...". In Hebrew, a resumptive pronoun can link a relative clause to its antecedent, while the Greek 'ὅπου' serves a similar function.
@jonathonpolk3592
29 күн бұрын
I rarely believe in mocking people for their voice / speech, but this dude is just begging to get ridiculed. Bro almost sounds like Bobcat Goldthwait, only unintentionally.
@Cloudryder
29 күн бұрын
Not only laughable, but more importantly Antisemitic. Horrible. 😞
@robinharwood5044
29 күн бұрын
Antisemitic isn’t important. Truth is important.
@Cloudryder
28 күн бұрын
@@robinharwood5044 To marginalize people over searching for reality that doesn’t exist just creates more chaos. Ancient order is dehumanizing.
@owenswabi
19 күн бұрын
Claiming ancient Hebrew was less complex is not antisemitic. Interjecting contemporary politics into this isn’t helpful.
@residuejunkie4321
29 күн бұрын
*The Septuagint is just like all of the ancient Greek, Hebrew, Latin and Aramaic manuscripts, they have ALL been magically changed in recent years along with all reference books and every other bible on Earth. And every one of you ARE going to find out this is true too. Sadly though most of you won't until you're standing at the Gate crying.* 😢
@markv01
29 күн бұрын
Ok troll
@lavieestlenfer
29 күн бұрын
Citation needed.
@residuejunkie4321
29 күн бұрын
*What The Father has spoken will never change, His promises are still good and our prayers are still answered! Hallelujah!!! But as impossible as this sounds, like so many of the true stories in scripture, our bibles have all been supernaturally changed by Satan in the last several years, right in our homes, in the fulfillment of prophecy. It's being done to prepare for the reign of the antichrist. All languages and all translations have been changed along with concordances, encyclopedias, dictionaries, history books, the original Hebrew, Greek, Latin and Aramaic manuscripts. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls have been changed!* *I'm 71, was saved when I was 10, and have read only the exact same copy of the King James bible my church gave me in 1961. (This does not mean I was a King James onlyist but now I'm glad I never read other ones or I might not have noticed the changes as soon.) I had memorized many scriptures from it through the years. Then in 2014 I started seeing changes in it that I couldn't explain. I had never owned a computer or heard of the Mandela Effect back then. But after being given my first computer in 2016 I finally found out why I had been noticing all of the oddities that I couldn't explain. I then started diligently studying what should actually have been called the "Daniel 7:25 effect". That's where God said He would give the antichrist the power to do this. (Change times and laws, history and scripture) We're seeing many end time prophecies being fulfilled SUPERNATURALLY! This is some of the "lying signs and wonders" God told us He would give the AC power to perform which would even deceive His very elect, if it were possible in 2nd Thessalonians chapter two!* *God said in the end of days, (NOW!) that He would send us a famine for hearing His words in Amos **8:11** and that He would give the antichrist the ability to do this in Daniel 7:25. In Daniel 12:4 & 12:9 He told him to seal his book until the end days. He told John **_not_** to seal his book because the end time is at hand in Revelation 22:10. One of the Greek definitions of ''seal'' in Strongs concordance is “to protect from Satan”. He also told us to “hide His words in our hearts”, which meant memorize, if not word for word at least the essence of what was written, because He knew this was going to happen.* *God commanded us to "prove all things", and people **_better_** obey Him, especially on this subject. I urge you to research this. There are many brothers and sisters making videos about the changes with more proof of what was originally written and I have lots more about this in my playlist 👉 which can be found by typing in (PROOF OF BIBLE CHANGE RESIDUE JUNKIE 1)* 👈 *I've continued to stay in God's word by reading what has been documented to be what used to be written and what Satan has been changing. Soon Amos **8:12** will be fulfilled too and we won't be able to find God's word anymore, and the only way it can happen is by not being able to see these videos and PDF written lists of documented changes like the one at (amos)(8)(.)(org)* *May God bless all who read this with eyes to see this incredible faith strengthener, and how close we are to our Saviour's return!!!!* *P.S. Everyone is going to learn about this one way or the other. I'm just trying to keep so many people from hearing Jesus explain it to them at the Gate. If you ask for them at the address on my about page I will send you links for 17 films that absolutely prove the snake bite is the mark. And yt hates me, they won't notify me of replies and won't post my answers so write me at residue junkie in one word at g mail for lots more info yt would never allow you to see.* ❤✝️💪 *P.P.S. YT will not notify me if you reply here so write me at residue junkie in one word at g mail.*
@residuejunkie4321
29 күн бұрын
@@markv01 *"Trolls'' are people who make insulting and ignorant remarks under people's comments. Look in a mirror kid.*
@markv01
29 күн бұрын
@@residuejunkie4321 i did, i thought i looked good
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