Bagging is terrible. Doing it at a supermarket is the worst because everyone is like "no you bag it like this no you bag it like that" I JUST WORK HERE
@PlayersPurity
9 ай бұрын
We don't have baggers in our supermarkets, people back their own stuff. It's much better in my opinion although the supermarket workers here are very good at it anyway lmao.
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
That's why I always frontrun from the supermarket. The baggers can't catch up and neither can the cops
@newlevelgaming7129
9 ай бұрын
W comment 😂
@newlevelgaming7129
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321YES 😂😂😂
@thunderhog45
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321LOL
@theskeletons2317
9 ай бұрын
Literal definition of "yeah, I'm a Bitch, but a professional at it"
@jamiesmith2093
9 ай бұрын
amen
@Gimmegames4free6942
9 ай бұрын
Fr ong
@deehill6719
9 ай бұрын
😂😂 yo you wild
@Okami400
8 ай бұрын
Lmao
@theelitesavage1224
8 ай бұрын
Items are part of the game it’s smart
@BagBagBagBagBagBagBagBag
8 ай бұрын
i feel like i should have the ultimate say on this issue.
@Tiperia
6 ай бұрын
You should
@LePhantom777
6 ай бұрын
I agree
@albond
6 ай бұрын
So what's the verdict
@rianweston-dodds6247
5 ай бұрын
So, what say you?
@SeattleSeahawksFanlol
5 ай бұрын
Whats the verdict?
@UltraDucc
3 ай бұрын
bagging is not "no skill" but if you show up to my house and we're playing mario kart and youre bagging then youre outta here
@longsleeve3280
2 ай бұрын
That's just house rules. Also it's much less effective when you can screen watch
@dark3mperor
2 ай бұрын
Sounds like you just have no friends
@UltraDucc
2 ай бұрын
@@dark3mperor none of my friends bag because theyre normal people and not mario kart demons
@bencri6248
2 ай бұрын
@@dark3mperorif you bag at you friend’s house you’ll be the one with no friends💀
@justsomeguywholikeswater3566
2 ай бұрын
tbf there's two different ways of playing Mario kart at a house at a party with randoms (im playing to impress so ill bag) at my friend's house (playing for funny times so ill race)
@Or_is_it_spelled_Charlie
9 ай бұрын
I don't think it takes no skill but it really takes the spirit out of the game
@Randomness662
9 ай бұрын
so does holding onto 4 "draw 4" cards to wombo combo your little brother when he says "uno" yet no one bitches about that
@Crazy_Vulpix
9 ай бұрын
Nah thats completely different. You have to hold on to your good cards and be patient with that, with bagging, you literally just got slower to win an a frickin racing game. @@Randomness662
@alegitnolife
9 ай бұрын
@@Randomness662you get to hear their reaction so its funny
@Jinority
9 ай бұрын
@@Randomness662 Ball poop
@Randomness662
9 ай бұрын
@@Jinority and Mario Kart is about items lmfao. If someone's so pressed about using items to gain an advantage which is the core identity of a Mario Kart game, then play an actual racing game. May even want to consider Assetto Corsa since mfers want a realistic and skillful racing experience so bad.
@Buzzblade146
9 ай бұрын
Bagging is like jumpscaring your opponents. Ideally, it's not going to be cheap. Edit: dear god I started a war
@thatonedude932
9 ай бұрын
But it always is
@Venture729
9 ай бұрын
It is
@Major_Arachnid_1
9 ай бұрын
But it is cheap
@goofyfish17
9 ай бұрын
BULLET BILL JUMPSCARE
@armstrong9497
9 ай бұрын
@@Major_Arachnid_1wtf do you mean cheap
@AldenPilling
6 ай бұрын
Me: getting hit with 8 reds in a row This guy: your just not that good
@Shortcat321
4 ай бұрын
The skill issue is being in a position where that can happen, on a track where it is more advantageous to be in the back than the front. You're not unskilled for not being able to dodge the item, you're unskilled for using a strategy that is terribly suited for the track you are playing. I go into more detail in the pinned comment.
@Ihatedropshippers..__.__.._..6
4 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321but is that because it’s skillful to try and get better items or because of a design flaw? Do you think Nintendo would create a game that rewards staying in the back until the last possible second? There’s a reason why Nintendo nerfed bagging.
@zigmaster5199
4 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321dawg not everybody can spend this much time on a fucking video game they just want to play causally
@mythicwarrior2724
4 ай бұрын
@@zigmaster5199then play casually against the bots on 150cc and dont be surprised when the gameplay in online competitive ranked is different 💀💀💀
@theplaguedocta
3 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321So by your logic it's a skill issue to play the game as intended instead of abusing a non intended feature?
@Wraithan_
2 ай бұрын
"Yeah, if you get hit by completely unavoidable red shells, you're just bad at the game." ~Logic of the millennium
@HamLover17
9 ай бұрын
I don't think it takes no skill but I do think the fact that purposely losing for several laps in a game that's about racing is a good or in some cases optimal strategy is bad game design.
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
100% agreed. I wouldn't mind if a few tracks worked like this, but the fact is that lots of tracks work like this and it gets pretty old. Bagging takes skill, but I don't think it should be one of the main skills required to win in mario kart.
@alex2005z
9 ай бұрын
Its simply not designed for competitive gameplay. Its designed to play with friends, and the comeback mechanics are there to help worse players have a chance.
@wesleybelcher2283
9 ай бұрын
If u want real racing then play a different game. I like bagging in Mario kart because it’s a very different playstyle from most racing games. Racing in Mario kart feels way different. Obviously it’s annoying when I front run and lose but If I wanted to sim race I’d go sim race
@HamLover17
9 ай бұрын
@@wesleybelcher2283 if you want real racing go play a different game? Bro I promise you it's not that serious
@alex2005z
9 ай бұрын
@HamLover17 I mean if you want a racing game without RNG play one without RNG. Mario kart wasn't made for competitive play
@johndamilkman
9 ай бұрын
getting hit by multiple red shells doesn't make you bad. you're just being targeted.
@Deadly_Potato
9 ай бұрын
Yeah 😭 people just have it out for your ass
@Birb112
9 ай бұрын
Shouldn’t have been in first.
@MRBass6000
9 ай бұрын
Should've showed him his id address so noone would target you
@johndamilkman
9 ай бұрын
@@MRBass6000 id address?
@U9DATE
9 ай бұрын
@@Birb112”shouldn’t have been in first in the racing game”
@SyriakYT
8 ай бұрын
I think the problem is that most of the fanbase is casual players and being as sandbagging is a competitive strategy for competitive players, they naturally aren't fans of it. But when you have the lobbies that I do or actively play competitive (lounge), you need strategies like these if you want a chance at winning
@destroyermcw626
6 ай бұрын
Nerf now the casuals will have to get good
@genericname_
8 ай бұрын
Nintendo should implement a penalty for staying behind in a race on purpose or something, or make a cool down between collecting items
@iceburgess461
6 ай бұрын
If you backpedal/ backpedal behind item boxes, you are automatically banned from receiving bullet, shock, ad star. Mushroom king and triple mushrooms only. That would ban bagging. Either that, or van them from online
@iceburgess461
6 ай бұрын
They'd have a detector for it also
@arminarlert7273
4 ай бұрын
That's literally what they did in the last update.
@rachm8072
3 ай бұрын
@@iceburgess461Doesn’t work that well tho, just hold accel to stay in bad placement and drive into walls, it’s still nerfed tho
@imkingnoobuwu4326
2 ай бұрын
Why not have a dedicted item dead zone that you into if you intentionaly bag.. like if you are too far from 11that only happens realisticly if your bagging. Where the items are the same as first place
@claytondavis6835
9 ай бұрын
I think the real issue is that this kind of feels like a design issue. In a race you’re well supposed to go fast and finish the race in as little time as possible. Rewarding going slow feels counter intuitive.
@pianoman7753
8 ай бұрын
This. If I take every turn optimally, because I practiced and learned how to time my drifts and boosts and I took every turn at EXACTLY the right angle, accounting for bumping other players, weight, etc etc... Then I should win. And then some guy spammed items until they got a bullet bill and 3 shrooms, and apparantly that takes more skill.
@albingrahn5576
8 ай бұрын
it's because mario kart is not a competetive game, it's a party game. the game is balanced around 4 players on the same couch with vastly different skill levels still being able to enjoy the game, and for even the worst player to have a chance to win.
@falk9417
8 ай бұрын
The game is based around item play, luck and overall driving skills. To be the best you can’t solely rely on driving alone, you need to be able to defend your position too. At the start of the race you need to make a decision about wanting to run or bag, sometimes running works and sometimes not, that’s part of the game.
@tylerowen8982
8 ай бұрын
@@pianoman7753 thats because it isnt gran turismo, go play a realistic racing game if you want to race realistically, you still have to know all the shortcuts, race well and know how to use items to bag, stop crying
@FlittaLink
8 ай бұрын
I think you’re just playing the wrong game with this mindset
@blacklight683
9 ай бұрын
"You are not good at this game cuz you got hit" Blu shell:literally a 100% accurate homing projectile
@SuperAgua
9 ай бұрын
Skill issue
@Grim00yoyo
9 ай бұрын
Unless you have a mushroom
@Ryo-mr7kx
9 ай бұрын
Just perfectly timm a dodge
@AGZhark
9 ай бұрын
@@SuperAguakid
@jesusofthestreets
9 ай бұрын
You could slowdown and let someone potentially overtake you.
@ritzgamez
8 ай бұрын
I normally only do it offline, just to try to mess with CPU’s rubber banding.
@zacharylandrum4789
8 ай бұрын
Honestly, if you're doing it with just CPU players, then I see no harm in it.
@tbl5138
8 ай бұрын
You dont need it when playing with cpus thats the thing. I was 1st place offline all the time i got hit sometimes but still was 1st place. So if you have to use it against cpus then you are even worse than online.
@tibers17
2 ай бұрын
People who say bagging is cheating are the same people who try to use the strongest combos they know in fighting games even tho they dont know about frame advantage
@junglejuicejuno
2 ай бұрын
no they're the same people who'd complain about status moves in rpgs because they don't deal damage
@zara5023
9 ай бұрын
I think the issue is that you could frontrun the entire race, avoid being hit by every red, blue and green shell that comes your way, taking every shroomless shortcut perfectly, and then someone who's been sitting in 12th the entire race can just come win at the last minute just because they can mushroom boost through a mile of offroad.
@benski0573
9 ай бұрын
the thing is though that doesn’t happen on every track. some tracks are horrible for bagging on. but i see your point. cheese land is notorious for having baggers pass you at the last lap. i’ve been leading that race many times only to somehow end up in 5th in the time span of like 2 seconds.
@RusticRonnie
9 ай бұрын
But that just means they had a better strategy and out played you.
@jaycyclondo
9 ай бұрын
because mario karts a strategy game, nor just an acceleator go brrrr game. If you use the same frontrunning strat every race with zero situational awareness, you wont win
@gene8792
9 ай бұрын
@@jaycyclondoIt’s not a strategy game either wtf?
@jaycyclondo
9 ай бұрын
@@gene8792 yeah its a metaphor my guy, if u dont have a strategy and arent able to adapt to the race your gonna place bottom half of all 3000 or higher lobbies
@ethandwatts1958
9 ай бұрын
I see your point but for me it’s not an enjoyable experience. I see multiple players who race well the entire game then lose out because the track is rigged on the last lap. Almost every race dissolves to who can shock dodge and get a bullet/G mushroom/star combo. No thank you!
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
I wish bagging was less powerful as well. I have fun with it, but when bagging works on a track that isn't even full of shortcuts, it's just weird.
@ethandwatts1958
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321 First KZitemr to reply to me ! 🥳 Love your videos, keep up the great content! Me and my roommates watch your stuff whenever it drops and always gets us in the Mariokart mood.
@muffinconsumer4431
9 ай бұрын
Cry
@rafaelcalmon2858
9 ай бұрын
@@muffinconsumer4431 Grow up
@JohnDoe-es1rk
9 ай бұрын
This is exactly it shit ruins the game and isn't enjoyable
@bigbooce4842
6 ай бұрын
This is the type of guy to absolutely crush a make a wish kid in a race then say “your just bad”
@thomasbrouns1366
8 ай бұрын
The difference between racing games and Mario Kart is that in Mario Kart you have items. So the items are the main aspect of the game.
@okey7281
9 ай бұрын
Dude was definitely that one kid on the playground
@ReaperXxK
9 ай бұрын
All of us were probably a kid on a playground
@coolerstv5396
8 ай бұрын
@@Instanenceand your the person that they didn’t even know because you where the one kid doing amine poses; insisting that they where cool.🤓
@danielc.5724
8 ай бұрын
@@coolerstv5396 many English
@coolerstv5396
8 ай бұрын
@@danielc.5724 Read it and don’t glazed it. It will make sense.
@charlesmayfield3
8 ай бұрын
@@Instanence your parents are siblings 100%
@MoonGhostDoodles
9 ай бұрын
“The game is not being unfair, you’re just not good” While it’s true skill plays a big role, no matter how obsenely good one can be at the game, blaming losses to “bad skill” when RNG also plays a part is a ridiculous claim. Even the best players can get abyssmal luck with lightning strikes, item pulls, etc.
@Deadly_Potato
9 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s a pretty shitty and insensitive thing to say.
@user-we5xb8kv4k
9 ай бұрын
not entirely true, better players win WAY more often even with terrible RNG, in fact great players will use said RNG to its best outcome
@calebbrown1068
9 ай бұрын
@@user-we5xb8kv4k just like how Will-O-Wisp is a perfectly balanced Pokémon move, Aaron Zheng is just bad for missing it 3 times in a row in a single game.
@user-we5xb8kv4k
9 ай бұрын
@@calebbrown1068 why are you talking about pokemon when the video is about mario kart, the same issues do not apply to both
@FenixMisogino
9 ай бұрын
@@user-we5xb8kv4kbut it is pretty much RNG lose in example. in both cases, matches can simply be winned with RNG
@kindsteel5
11 күн бұрын
You seem like the kind of guy to open your eyes during the hide and seek countdown as a kid
@Ankh_The_Artist
6 күн бұрын
L
@childman6414
4 күн бұрын
Counter point W
@Uggnog
2 ай бұрын
Bro said "skill issue" in the calmest and most respectful way possible
@pathogeneration5138
Ай бұрын
Bro said "skill issue" in anti-competitive party game settings. Yeah, game is about items. Delivered by a slot machine. "Give some respect to the" yeesh take your hand off it doofus- "Da GayM iz nOt beeInG unFaIR." Being unfair is what the newer, dumbed down 8 is FAMOUS for. It's DESIGNED to be a party game, to give a chance of hope to whatever casuals are present in your lobby. "Yu ar juzT nOt gUd." I could've handled the commentary if this guy wasn't a self-glorifying wanker about a party game with a slot machine for items. Obviously, you can improve you odds by strategic management of items. But the result is still ultimately dictated by the god-hand of Item Draw.
@Uggnog
Ай бұрын
@@pathogeneration5138 Skill issue
@pathogeneration5138
Ай бұрын
@@Uggnog Lol. PARTY GAME
@pathogeneration5138
Ай бұрын
@@Uggnog Sho sum ruhspekt Far out, it's not QUAKE 3. The skill gap is low. And it's heavily randomised. You can do everything right. And smart. Equalize the skillz and the gap still fades into the slot machine
@pathogeneration5138
Ай бұрын
@@Uggnog And to get me not wrong, it's a fantastic game. But this guy talking pretentious shit, as if its competitive streak is really precise and credible? Yeesh doofus, get a grip.
@AegisRick
9 ай бұрын
That's why MKDS was goated. Even with items, it was a racing game. You could dodge blue shells with drift and snaking alone.
@mimori8
9 ай бұрын
whats the point of a blue shell then
@user-kz5fq8tq5l
9 ай бұрын
@@mimori8ending friendships
@destroyermcw626
6 ай бұрын
@@mimori8For the noobs
@blixten635real
9 ай бұрын
Bagging is honestly just way more fun than front running in my opinion.
@darthimperious1594
9 ай бұрын
This. Both are valid means of playing, but items are half the fun of Mario Kart, and getting nothing but coins, bananas, and the occasional green shell isn't very fun, especially since even if you play perfectly, you're 1-2 blue shells or lightning bolts away from losing your position. I do agree with the theme of the video though, both take skill.
@Vent_YT
9 ай бұрын
@@darthimperious15941 min ago lol
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
I think frontrunning and bagging are both fun, just depending on the track. Bagging is incredibly frustrating when it doesn't work, so I wouldn't try bagging on a track with no shortcuts. But frontrunning is even MORE frustrating when you get unlucky with blue shells, red shells, and the shock.
@darthimperious1594
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321Completely agree. Front Running is very satisfying if you only get 1 blue shell (generally good play can give you enough of a lead to survive one blue), and if you use your defense wisely enough to hold off the onslaught of reds. It takes strategy, it takes few mistakes, etc. I just feel like I more often than not get 2 blue shells, often with 2nd place coming up with triple reds lol. Bagging sucks when, say, you get nothing but mushrooms on a track with no shortcuts, or triple mushrooms when then guy ahead of you gets the shock.
@ashthegamer5178
9 ай бұрын
Bagging is comeback mode and when u get first it’s so satisfying
@MashuSlyferiux
2 ай бұрын
The fact that it takes skill doesn't make it any less good
@DaltonIzHere
7 ай бұрын
One thing to note is that Bagging and Item Smuggling are two different things with similar starts. Both involve you getting into a bad placement to get good items to get back into the race. The difference is that Bagging is using the items to get to 1st and win. Item Smuggling is specifically bringing a broken item like a Star or Lightning into first to help you win.
@Ankh_The_Artist
6 күн бұрын
Item smuggling is almost never specifically because you want to win. I'm pretty sure it's only used for bragging rights or trolling lol
@derekg5006
3 күн бұрын
Item smuggling actually gets you blacklisted from the airport
@facundosilveira5535
9 ай бұрын
A server full of "good players": no one's moving, everyone is just staying at the start line because they don't want to be 1st
@IsomerMashups
9 ай бұрын
That's what we call a degenerate mechanic!
@misk1027
9 ай бұрын
I watched your videos and tried bagging myself because I thought it looked easy. That’s when I learned how bad I really was at this game. You really have to know the courses like the back of your hand to bag optimally and also know which courses it’s most beneficial to bag on. Definitely takes more skill than it seems
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
Cheese land was the first track I ever tried to bag on, and I thought it would be easy. Just get the bullet bill and use it at the first shortcut. What actually happened was i would tunnel vision for the bullet bill and end up so far behind that it only takes me to 6th, and now I can't get another bullet bill and my race is over. From there, I'd panic and try to front run and lose. Recently, I had a race on Cheese land where I got no bullet or shock, and I still won. Knowing what to do in every single situation is a skill that took me a long time to learn, and i'm still learning
@LeCrown
9 ай бұрын
nothing against your comment but "bagging yourself" sounds so weird and kinky 💀
@Mr_Spudder
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321Just like learning F2L!
@IdaeChop
9 ай бұрын
@@Mr_Spudder First Two Layers? Like in speedcubing?
@messmermusicals1367
9 ай бұрын
can't you just play the game like it was intended to be played???
@completelymuted5976
4 ай бұрын
I just learned about this, this weekend. It's pretty interesting. I'm a fighting game dude so seeing a game like Mario kart have a different method of playing is cool
@superdreamsgames4587
3 ай бұрын
It really is, people get pissed for no reason
@grimm20
8 ай бұрын
Bro was the kid who said he wasn’t playing when he got found in hide and seek
@xenohunter9482
9 ай бұрын
imagine calling someone bad for getting hit by heat seeking shells targeted at you
@ReaperXxK
9 ай бұрын
Imagine not dodging blue shells😂😂
@goldenninja9053
9 ай бұрын
@@ReaperXxKSometimes when you're in 1st you just have to take them. A super horn won't be around to save you every time.
@ReaperXxK
9 ай бұрын
@@goldenninja9053 definitely won't lol. And you won't always have a mushroom
@blixten635real
8 ай бұрын
Staying in first for a long time expecting to not get blue shelled when doing so is kind of what makes you bad at the game, no offense.
@hyukleberry5567
8 ай бұрын
@@blixten635realtrue. it's frustrating but it's a natural part of the game. and sometimes it's really my fault i get hit bc i didnt prepare enough for it. everyone needs to take a step back and reflect on whether it was unfair or if it was their own fault for not preparing to FIGHT to keep that number 1 spot. with that said tho, 3 red shells is pure evil...
@Fillster
9 ай бұрын
It’s annoying that it works in my opinion. I wanna race!
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm totally down for a bagging nerf. I doubt nintendo will do it though
@AyoSteven.Official
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321You can nerf bagging. Don't do it
@TheonlysparkleOwo
9 ай бұрын
Play forza then
@Fillster
9 ай бұрын
@@TheonlysparkleOwo That’s a terrible argument. I like how Mario kart plays
@user-lx3qt8zg5f
9 ай бұрын
@@AyoSteven.Official everyone else will and you’ll get destroyed Which isn’t a nerf but a handicap
@Popslushy
7 ай бұрын
This is what happens when mariokart becomes your personality
@HehehehawYt
28 күн бұрын
People when they realise that talking about mario kart is his job because he earns from it: 🤯🤯🤯
@Ourii
11 күн бұрын
people when the guy who has a mariokart channel does the unthinkable and… talks about mariokart
@Ankh_The_Artist
6 күн бұрын
You're saying Mario kart is his whole personality... Commenting on a video uploaded to his Mario kart centric channel...
@p.i.m.6008
4 ай бұрын
Ive been bagging since Mario Kart 64. Even with Double Dash, i gave friends an entire lap head start (i also made it 9 laps to give me ample time to come back). If it were only three laps, id probably give them a 10-15 second head start. Friends agreed to the stipulations.
@ryancollinson4847
9 ай бұрын
This is essentially ‘youre bad if you stay in first’
@ThingsWithSomeConnection
9 ай бұрын
No, it's "it's not cheap to use a strategy that's part of the game" Your digging in way to deep my guy
@echiko4932
9 ай бұрын
If ur in first, even if no one bags ur still gonna get blasted by attacks on lap 3
@dimitrimartinez4066
9 ай бұрын
You completely missed the point of thia video
@Rickby
9 ай бұрын
This is genuinely a Mario kart 8 thing, because in other games, yes you can bag, but you don’t get punished for front running. If you front run in MK8, 2nd place will just spam you with triple reds. MK8 is more of who can bag for the better items and guess when shock happens, while other games like Mario Kart Wii showcase driving skills
@ciderhat2760
8 ай бұрын
That's partly why mkwii still has a large playerbase.
@SeaOfPixels
7 ай бұрын
Not to mention you cannot at all strategize what item you're going to get, because of distance based item RNG being effectively impossible to judge from a glance. Not to mention several powerful items like stars and shocks no longer have a maximum amount in play (and the shock also no longer has a 30s cooldown that you can strategize around), so holding items becomes an RNG fest.
@dragon_nammi
6 ай бұрын
I knew mkwii had a more skill based balance.. those funky kongs were unreachable once they pulled away from the group
@kylemmein3096
5 ай бұрын
I miss Mario Kart Wii
@jjQlLlLq
5 ай бұрын
That's why I love CTR. Alas, everyone I know play MK8. It's pretty cool, I love Splatoon so I'm driving with Inkling, but mmmman
@seth3153
5 ай бұрын
Imagine if they made a cup that didnt have power ups. That would be all racing at that point
@chipi4179
2 ай бұрын
then it would be boring as hell, the spirit of Mario Kart is in the items
@bobiscius956
5 ай бұрын
I like to practice and play with my family on frantic item settings. It makes it way easier to get in first but really hard to stay. Trying to front run with experienced family members and hard computers makes for a very dynamic game
@bobiscius956
3 ай бұрын
@@breadandcircuses8127 it’s also great to train resistance to passing your controller to the person on the floor below you when you get hit by 11 red shells from 2nd and still get shocked off the jump
@giovicatalano8383
9 ай бұрын
It's not easy to play like that,the problem about this strategy is that it completely ruins the point of playing a racing game and turns a fun game into the 100th competitive game
@pabkedv9641
9 ай бұрын
I mean, you compete in races
@sap-fling-sap
9 ай бұрын
@@pabkedv9641Don't even try it
@pabkedv9641
9 ай бұрын
@@sap-fling-sap try what
@sap-fling-sap
9 ай бұрын
That argument
@pabkedv9641
9 ай бұрын
@@sap-fling-sap i dont get your point?
@hellohaveagoodday
9 ай бұрын
This has made me realise why i always lose in online races, i play the game like a normal person and that's a big mistake if i want any chance of having fun in random matches.
@UniverseElementalist
4 ай бұрын
In that clip, the bullet bill went straight towards Waluigi like it had a personal vendetta against him.
@dibby4316
8 ай бұрын
The game would fall apart if everybody bagged
@arthurmorgan5053
8 ай бұрын
Exactly but most of the time u bag your not gonna get first there will always be frontrunners, if u bag u have a higher chance of getting a decent spot 1-6, if your a frontrunner half the time your gonna get combod and fall to the bag of the line anyways
@-rlmn
2 ай бұрын
there are lobbies full of baggers sometimes, it doesn't works
@Averageuscitizen3
9 ай бұрын
I love front running, it is my favorite strategy, but i just cant state enough that front running takes more luck than bagging. I swear some times i get so lucky with front running, so much so i recently went on a 5 win streak with just front running. But the next day i was playing online and holy hell i was getting completely and utterly destroyed by red shells. I did not get a single first from a 4 hour play session. Red shells are so annoying in mk8 dx. If they weren't annoying enough i just loose all of my coins and from that I just can not recover because now im lost in the pack. I never found bagging annoying mostly because either way i get owned by red shells. Great short btw.
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
Thank you!! And omg that sounds rough. Yeah frontrunning is highly luck based, way more luck based than bagging. Red shells / blue shells / shocks are completely out of your control.
@castform7
9 ай бұрын
I also really enjoy frontrunning. I find it fun to try to get to first and maintain it but I also have to agree in the fact that it's an extremely hit or miss way to play. I enjoy the general first situation of having a defensive item and a coin and keeping up as good of a defense as you can but sometimes reds just never stop. Like my beef isn't even with blues most of the time, they're usually just the boss finishing you off from the onsalaught of enemies that are reds. I don't really bag often because it's not really my prefered strategy and I don't play on an actual competitive level, but it can certainly prove to be more useful for someone that knows what they're doing. Especially on good ol' Cheese Land.
@hellothere6363
9 ай бұрын
Front running is my least favoritw i get hit one time and then i am in the middle and everyon is hittimg and bumping imto me and i dont have that kind of patcience
@darthimperious1594
9 ай бұрын
TL;DR: Both front running and bagging take skill, but bagging is a bit too overpowered currently. While I agree that both strategies take skill, that bagging is by no means an easy strategy, my biggest issue with Mario Kart as a whole is that, if you're a skilled player, bagging, at least for part of the race, is significantly better than trying to front run. I feel front running should be just as valid a strategy as bagging, assuming quality play, with the differences between the two coming down to the course. Hell, I'd like it if bagging were a kind of high risk, high reward strategy, but it seems almost the opposite. I've found front running to be so unreliable that it's almost moronic to try and do it, at least from lap one. It's far more reliable to bag lap one, when the players are still fairly closely grouped, get a quality pair of items, then make a play for 1st, hoping to get there with a mushroom for the inevitable blue shell. Anyways, overall, can't disagree with the vid, just wanted to vent my thoughts a bit lol
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
This is a great take! A lot of people think that "bagging takes skill" is the same as me saying "bagging is great". I totally agree with you that while bagging is not easy, maybe it shouldn't be so powerful in the first place. I think we'd all have a better time if front running was the best strategy on at least 80% of the tracks. I want bagging to exist to add diversity and skill ceiling, but I don't like how too often it's just the best way to play. I might make a video on how bagging could be nerfed.
@darthimperious1594
9 ай бұрын
@ShroomlessShortcat Yeah, a variety of viable strategies would be great! That said, overall I think Nintendo has done a pretty decent job with the balance. I'm nitpicking here, if I'm being honest! And I think I'll sub for that potential video :)
@thunderhog45
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321great idea
@Kirb10
9 ай бұрын
Agreed. I think blue shell spawn rate should go down a bit so that front running can be balanced out more for those who prefer to. I'm not even talking a big decrease but imo blue shells should only be spawning once a race, not two or three times. It's really ridiculous. At least that would make up for the onslaught of red shells that first place gets from 2nd and 3rd. It's really disappointing when you have such a huge lead front running and you get bombarded so badly by blues reds and bolt. I feel like the hard work that went into getting so much space away from others is all pointless especially when you don't even keep your 1st placement. It's terribly discouraging.
@darthimperious1594
9 ай бұрын
@Kirb10 Yes, exactly! There should 100% be a way to dethrone a front runner, but it should come from 2nd/3rd raking advantage of a blue shell to fire their reds. Opportunity plus preparation. It's the 2nd and 3rd blues that really ruin it.l for me. Well said!
@allofthelightsbykanyewest
2 ай бұрын
bro acting like he healed the blind
@rigatoni_joe5090
4 ай бұрын
I honestly didn’t have a clue that people hated bagging so much, I personally don’t have much of a problem with it and it leads to super climactic endings sometimes.
@The_Asexual_Gamer666
9 ай бұрын
Honestly I thought Mario kart was about having fun rather than being a professional racing experience
@creeperinvasion6885
9 ай бұрын
Sadly there will always be people online who think playing video games just for the fun of it is something worth criticizing
@prestong.6391
7 ай бұрын
learning how to play the game optimally is where the fun lies for a fair amount of people
@metalvideos1961
9 ай бұрын
It's like camping in fps games.
@wesleyv5934
9 ай бұрын
Facts
@DeJaylee
9 ай бұрын
Eso de verdad no tenía sentido o simplemente no juego a juegos de fps
@IsomerMashups
9 ай бұрын
It's basically the same thing. Rather than actually competing, you're abusing a poorly-planned game mechanic. That's not to say you're not _personally_ skilled - it's just to say that you're winning in a way that _doesn't require skill._
@omerelhassan9133
9 ай бұрын
@@IsomerMashupsbut camping is super easy to counter
@chipi4179
2 ай бұрын
bagging takes skill
@reshawshid
4 ай бұрын
I remember when I played Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing back in the day, I was getting tired of always frontrunning against the toughest AI and never getting the All-Star item as a result. So I started giving the other racers a full lap head start in a ten lap race. Made the game way more fun, and required me to constantly be trying my hardest to catch up. I now do it in other similar racing games where the lap counter can be changed. Little did I know that this would be close to what is now known as "bagging".
@Vendetta162X
3 ай бұрын
I guarantee you that if you were to speak with the developers of Mario Kart 8 (Deluxe), they'd tell you that this is exploiting a mechanic made to help a struggling player not to be cheesed due to the powerful nature of the item (and the fact Deluxe let's you stack 2 of them.)
@junglejuicejuno
2 ай бұрын
does it matter what the devs think when we brought the game
@sleepysunshiine
2 ай бұрын
devs remove exploits. bagging has been a thing in multiple mario kart games for ages. they’ve had chances to get rid of it and haven’t, meaning it’s not an exploit
@InsertCoolIdentifierHereLol
2 ай бұрын
@@junglejuicejunoi didn't even buy it☠️
@SkeletonGuyVT
2 ай бұрын
because we should always do things exactly as nintendo and its employees say, of course
@derekg5006
2 ай бұрын
@@SkeletonGuyVTfr why would i take what the company that added slipping to smash brothers seriously, they make good games but can be lame sticklers with competitive play. we are not obligated to listen to them unless what they say gets fundamentally added through an update or something
@johnlynch1353
9 ай бұрын
Bagging is like counting cards in poker. It is against the spirt of the game even if it is sometimes optimal and very skillful.
@Sip_Dhit
9 ай бұрын
Depends In some instances its like counting cards In some its like hiding aces in your sleave (the levels that exploit unforseen mistakes in movement, exploits are cheating in multiplayer games.) But additionally its as serious as an at home play with no cash. Sure sometimes its cheating but whatever
@CaptainChuk
9 ай бұрын
Yeah if pol agree to it fine but i don't play with it. To me its against the spirit of the game. In soccer if you pass the ball to your goalie without using your foot or a deflection, it is okay. You could always scoop the ball from your foot to your head and pasd to his hands which i think its against the spirit of the rules.
@high_stakes_ikea7087
9 ай бұрын
@@CaptainChukFully agree with you. A big reason Mario Kart is so popular for casual gaming with friends/family is because the item system gives an advantage to players who are struggling and need it. Keeps things tense, you don’t know who’s going to win and there’s always a chance? Taking that system as a good player and twisting it just takes the fun out for anyone looking to just play for casual enjoyment.
@FlorianFlorian573
9 ай бұрын
Also both are cool
@eighteenbat4257
9 ай бұрын
“Using a bullet and golden mushrooms to pass everyone takes skill” - this guy
@foxsaver7644
9 ай бұрын
Blud has the comprehension habilities of a peanut
@mystun3
9 ай бұрын
you have to know shortcuts and which items are optimal for each map, it takes skill to bag and get the lead
@jerryborjon
9 ай бұрын
It takes skill to get those items and still win. You can’t do that in 1st place. Use strategy next time, instead of mindlessly pressing A
@jaycyclondo
9 ай бұрын
u ever seen horse racing? the one at the front from the start usually loses. Same w mario kart, first place = most targettable, fronteunning is bad for most maps. Mario Karts a strategy game, not just a racing game. You gotta utilise your items right, take big risks, shld u risk exposing urself to a shell for the chance of a shroom to take that shortcut or just play it safe? If you play mk properly youd realise quickly
@hellohaveagoodday
9 ай бұрын
People really saying it takes skill to pick up items and use them accordingly 💀
@pillager2327
8 ай бұрын
I just think bagging is a toss up because don’t know what items you’re going to get. Chilling in first place means you get to avoid most dangerous items and the crowd, allowing you to make the gap between you and second place bigger and bigger. You get hit less, and keeping your coins makes that even better. Also I think constantly fighting for first place is more fun anyway
@TateTheTalisman
4 ай бұрын
This makes me like bagging even more now that I know people get pissed off by it
@sahaprocks7751
12 күн бұрын
SAME
@maybefoxtart
3 күн бұрын
You were probably that one kid on the playground that always said "pause" when you were about to get tagged
@jorgecastillo2391
9 ай бұрын
Personally, I just think it’s a more boring way to play the game. Like playing this game with friends who are all casuals that don’t bag makes the game a lot more enjoyable.
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
I would bag against my casual friends and call it "you get a head start!"
@SweetMelaninn
9 ай бұрын
Exactly. It's just so boring. Idk how people do it
@cobaltblu4196
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321and that's how you lose mario kart privileges
@Carma281
8 ай бұрын
@@cobaltblu4196buddy that's called a skill gap
@cobaltblu4196
8 ай бұрын
@@Carma281 Cool, you ain't playin mariokart with me again. we just trying to have a chill race while you exploit the game? Yeah fuck off buddy
@Fish_tennis
9 ай бұрын
Bagging doesn't take skill and this short just strikes me as bagger copium
@ginkowave5829
9 ай бұрын
Fr it's like saying "ummh akshually camping is very optimal way of playing shooters☝️🤓"
@Fish_tennis
9 ай бұрын
@@ginkowave5829 "Camping is a REAL strategy!!!! 🤓🤓"
@norwegian_child1703
2 ай бұрын
Bagging is like slipstream in any other racing game you stay behind until you have enough help to win the race
@awartix
2 ай бұрын
Bagging just to end up in 2nd place is crazy😭
@jamesnichols8581
9 ай бұрын
This is the camper argument. That is all thank you
@TheJinx64
9 ай бұрын
literally
@rustinhaigood
9 ай бұрын
comparing a racing game to a fps???
@TheJinx64
9 ай бұрын
@@rustinhaigood its the same argument campers use, and yes, you can camp in racing games.
@rustinhaigood
9 ай бұрын
@@TheJinx64 i did not know camping in fps is a integral feature in the game.
@jamesnichols8581
9 ай бұрын
@rustinhaigood argument is the same using a cheap tactic to get a leg up and claiming everyone else should just get better ever though you admit cheap tactic gives you an edge
@SkeleXon
9 ай бұрын
It's kinda funny how some say it takes skill to play and win in Mario Kart, which to an extent is true, but you gotta remember it's also highly rng based. You can be a really good player but you can also get Mario Kart'd *hard* and lose a race just like that 🙃
@bonkers5451
9 ай бұрын
The fact that Mario Kart’d is even a phrase proves the game isn’t fair in terms of skill. When your phrase for getting screwed is about the game itself and not other players, you know it’s not just a skill issue 😂
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
If I'm the best player in the room, what are the chances I win the next race? Maybe about 30%. What are the chances I outperform everyone else on average? About 90%. Yes, this game is highly luck-based. But it's not so luck based that you will consistently lose to players worse than you. Also when I was grinding my worldwide rating, I got 1st place every single race until about 5000 VR. Right now at 16000 VR, I can get top 3 on more than 70% of the races. Even though luck is important, skill absolutely matters a lot.
@Acceos
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321 Wish i could do it. But i just get hit by everything. I was First and the Finish line was about 5-10 seconds away. Then i got hit by 3 Red shells, that were timed pretty well and end up on place 5, then someone hits me with a Star and the next one with a Bullet Bill. I got last Place just because of the Items from the other Players, even if i was First place the entire Time. Sure this game needs some Skill to win, but it also depends on some LUCK: You can be Lucky and no one behind you gets Red or Blueshell to stop you. Or you can be unlucky and they manage to put you from Place 1 to Place 12 with Lucky Items.
@AaronNew78
9 ай бұрын
this happened to me in rosalina’s ice world lmao, i was not even 3 seconds away from goal in 1st and i got blue shelled, red shelled, and knocked to the off-road, and i went right to last place 😭
@Deadly_Potato
9 ай бұрын
Sometimes the Mario Kart council, when deciding your fate for that race, will decided to just fuck you over. And we can’t question them.
@cyrzalgreywulffe1258
8 ай бұрын
Them: "Bagging is cheating!" Me: "sounds like a skill issue bud."
@chimericalical
9 ай бұрын
Bagging is lame and encourages being lame as hell. Does it take skill? Sure. Is it still lame? Yes. Do I respect it or players who can do it well? Nope.
@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440
9 ай бұрын
U prob suck at Mario kart
@someguy496
9 ай бұрын
Exactly this. Its like camping in a corner with god aim. Is it a winning strategy? For sure. Is it part of the game? Yes. Is it lame? Without a doubt. This is why I play with friends, because people like this sweat at a game. Even wiis bagging wasnt as bad, it was mostly skillful driving, and good management of the tools in the game.
@atsukana1704
9 ай бұрын
In my comment I never said it didn’t take skill or anything like that. Just that I didn’t like it because it is antitehtical to racing. Such a point was still not addressed by an angry sounding shortcat here
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
I addressed it by saying this is not just a racing game, but item management is also an important skill. If you want to have pure races, you can time trial.
@SweetMelaninn
9 ай бұрын
LOL
@meganrenfro1704
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321but you didn't. All you did was admit to abusing a broken game mechanic. Abusing the items in MK to go from willingly losing a race to winning in the last lap is actually going against what racing games are supposed to be. You didn't address anything, all you did was insult a bunch of people by calling it a "skill issue" when it's actually a problem in the game not a lack of skill with the other players. All you did was get real nasty at everyone who called you out in a not so well thought out YT short, then all but back peddled in the comments of the people who aren't stroking your ego.
@TheJinx64
9 ай бұрын
@@meganrenfro1704fr
@princetbug
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321Time trial is not the same as person to person racing. That's a different game.
@IAmBriceDolan
2 ай бұрын
That glide at the end was dirtyyy
@C-shorts_Animations
6 ай бұрын
Bagging got patched😁 Edit: I think
@Crackhog
6 ай бұрын
No, just nerfed
@iceburgess461
6 ай бұрын
@@CrackhogHow?
@charlesnojinson4760
6 ай бұрын
@iceburgess461 It made it so you cant just stay and re grab the same item box, you actually have to be moving forward. So now its more just be at a bad spot and dont stop for items, just keep moving forward, not that big of a nerf
@C-shorts_Animations
5 ай бұрын
Dawg when did I comment this😭😭
@Crackhog
5 ай бұрын
@@C-shorts_Animations It's only been a month
@komiigobrrr
9 ай бұрын
I remember when mario kart was about having fun with ur family, not sweating against strangers
@GeoFrituurpan
9 ай бұрын
True
@ej3601
9 ай бұрын
yeah this guy taking mario kart seriously is insanely pathetic. next game theyll try to make competitive is mario party
@Helpmefindthewilltolive
9 ай бұрын
@@ej3601 minecraft got competitive, roblox got competitive, among us got competitive, fortnite got competitive. Fall guys got competitive. There’s literally a whole community of people who speedrun mario games to see who gets the highest score. Literally get in line with the rest of us 🙄 Of course these games would get competitive. It’s a racing game - These people aren’t playing to “have fun” their playing to win (because that’s where their fun comes from, winning). In any game where there’s winning - people will get competitive and come up with strategies. Deal with it
@goldenninja9053
9 ай бұрын
@@ej3601As much as I like to be competitive at the game, I would never take it this seriously and be this pathetic at it. Just play it normally and have a good time trying to win.
@klop4228
9 ай бұрын
@@ej3601 People will take eveything seriously and that's their perogative. No need to be a dick about it. I like to play Mario Kart more casually. Still find it fun to look at this, just for the trivia.
@CatTheBeast
9 ай бұрын
It’s a children’s racing game. It was balanced around the idea that the items are supposed to help bad players. Intentionally staying behind kinda ruins the game, cause not everyone can do it. Someone has to drive forward for the race to end, and bagging punishes players who don’t want to wait forever.
@shineskopes
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, except he plays online which literally puts you agaisnt people the same rating??? Like??? He aint playing with new players 💀
@CatTheBeast
9 ай бұрын
@@shineskopes and? My point remains the same. Someone has to drive forward. They can’t all bag.
@LeonGoldMage
9 ай бұрын
@@shineskopesyeah, except I'm pretty sure that's not 100% true, given the number of lobbies I've been placed in with multiple people around the 100k range despite me being a new player online with barely 15 races to my name. The game definitely doesn't always put you against people the same rank.
@DaynNight1234
9 ай бұрын
I mean there's literally a decent amout of front running tracks as much as bagging tracks. It's not hard to frontrun like at all just make sure u always have a single banana or a shell and you'll be fine the only way you would get shocked or blue shelled even semi often is literally because of you having way more distance then the rest of the pack which is distance u wont have on average if we're being realistic
@DaynNight1234
9 ай бұрын
To summarize all of that bagging isnt really a punishing strat it's just smarter and safer to do then front running and its main use is for people starting in the back of the pack anyways.
@mainyt2971
Ай бұрын
In short form: „do everything to win“
@Ankh_The_Artist
6 күн бұрын
Yeah that's how higher level games work.
@user-eb2hs8or6s
7 ай бұрын
Sounds like Nintendo fixed this after wave 6 came out.
@cherricake1796
9 ай бұрын
I want a racing game, not a memorization test
@Left4Cake
9 ай бұрын
Even with out the comeback mechanic the games has short cuts and optimal routing on some course...
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
This game is a memorization game already. Every Mario kart game has been that since the beginning. If you drive "intuitively", you will lose by over 5 seconds on every track to the best players in the world who have every single line memorized. If you don't believe me, go time trial a track you haven't memorized and see how close you come to the world record.
@arbitrarymelon
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321 Wrong, Mario cart DS did not have this
@thyduke3010
7 ай бұрын
@@arbitrarymelonthings look better with rose tinted glasses
@w4stefr2
9 ай бұрын
Remember when we just played the game instead of doing everything in your power to be a pest
@ModernDayYasuke
8 ай бұрын
Pepperidge farm remembers
@Personwtcats
8 ай бұрын
They’re just explaining how and why it’s a good strategy. You are the one freaking out.
@lousashrex
8 ай бұрын
Sweaty neckbeards have taken over Mario cart this is crazy
@pathogeneration5138
19 күн бұрын
If the sweaty neckbeards were in control, the game would actually be "fair".
@MickBagger
4 күн бұрын
The sweaty neck beards are the ones getting salty because they aren’t winning races
@pathogeneration5138
4 күн бұрын
@@MickBagger Then, they haven't taken over Mario Kart by a long shot. MK8, is now the biggest selling non-package game ever. The audience is vast, and primarily casual.
@peristeronic37
Ай бұрын
"Our shortest path was a detour"-gyro zeppeli
@cursedcat6467
9 ай бұрын
Videos like these make me wish fzero still existed as ya know, a series
@Tneal78
9 ай бұрын
True. That was supposed to be the tryhard racing game. Who cares about competing this hard in mario kart of all things?
@NyOoOoOoOoM
9 ай бұрын
Fzero was the pinnacle of racing games no doubt
@scienceoffantasy9896
9 ай бұрын
Frontrunning takes a lot more skill because your goal is to optimize your run while playing defensively at the same time. You need to run the course using every shortcut you can without the help of boost items, take turns as tightly as possible, and put as much distance as possible between you and the rest of the pack so any hits that get through your defense won't ruin your placement. "Bagging" (I think a better term is "Lagging") gives you a better chance at turning the tables which is exactly why it takes *less* skill.
@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440
9 ай бұрын
Idk I win more when I frontrun than bag
@blixten635real
8 ай бұрын
I’d like to see you bag without a tutorial. Let me know how well it goes.
@blixten635real
7 ай бұрын
@@jamvey bagging got nerfed, it requires more skill now. And honestly, it’s way more fun now in my opinion.
@destroyermcw626
6 ай бұрын
@@blixten635realI’m so happy for that
@blixten635real
6 ай бұрын
@@destroyermcw626 yeah, same. Bagging is still viable, but more fun. Perfect for me.
@munaclassic4020
4 ай бұрын
Bagging in Mario kart is in a similar position to backwards driving in most other racing games(track mania mainly). In track mania backwards driving requires a lot of skill and due to some coddling oversights sim of the older games it is possible to be faster going backwards than forwards.
@Vixikitsi
2 ай бұрын
i don't mind if people do it in competitive play, i just think it's kinda icky when i'm just trying to play casual with friends
@ActuallyZee
9 ай бұрын
Good reason to never play online thanks for the warning.
@dimitrimartinez4066
9 ай бұрын
Skill issue
@Congnhan.NailtoclabonthathcNGU
9 ай бұрын
The real world is scary. U better just stay in ur mom house forever 😂😂😂
@decapcomix
9 ай бұрын
@@Congnhan.NailtoclabonthathcNGUwhat is bro yapping about
@nolyfe4814
9 ай бұрын
@@Congnhan.NailtoclabonthathcNGUI thought video games were an escape why we talking about real life?
@subxero_x
9 ай бұрын
@@Congnhan.NailtoclabonthathcNGUBro is going on a tangent
@AngryJT
3 ай бұрын
Being in first place for most of the race is the true challenge. "Bagging" is easymode.
@clinteasthoood2
2 ай бұрын
If you hate bagging, then you better NEVER throw a red shell at anyone because that takes ZERO skill at all.
@FastFostFive
9 ай бұрын
“If you keep getting hit, then you’re not good at Mario Kart.” Yes, because I had control over second place getting triple reds. (Having bad item management is what makes you bad when trying to front run. Sometimes this can lead to getting hit a lot but sometimes it is also just rng.) Edit: Racing lines also matter a lot.
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
I'm talking specifically about that track. You will almost never get combo'd from first on a track like sunshine airport or Paris promenade. But on a comeback track, you will get destroyed because everyone is catching up to you with powerful items. Choosing to frontrunning is choosing to run that risk
@IsomerMashups
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321 You're defending bagging by saying that other people bag. That's circular.
@LeonGoldMage
9 ай бұрын
@@IsomerMashupsyour comment is very confusing, given that he never actually mentioned other players and this technique nor defend it "because others are doing it".
@leaffinite3828
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321 youre right but also its still lame as fuck
@RSw_Why
9 ай бұрын
Competitive mkwii players having a dedicated bagger who races the other bagger backwards to increase their chance of getting shock 🥶
@PCFROMVCS
9 ай бұрын
My favorite thing about MK is the cross between real racing mechanics and gambling. Combing the pure skill of racing with the risk/reward of being delt items, and knowing how to use them, is just SO satisfying. Its really a shame people write off the game for being too random without stopping to understand the mechanics
@davidanoble
9 ай бұрын
Randomness is just another obstacle, after all
@kaizoisevil
9 ай бұрын
And for those who want pure racing, they can do time trials.
@theonlypc4906
9 ай бұрын
@@kaizoisevil Or no items mode
@kaizoisevil
9 ай бұрын
@@theonlypc4906 I mean that works but that’s essentially what a time trial is
@TheGalaxyWings
9 ай бұрын
@@theonlypc4906 I played no items mode and GOD IT'S SO BORING I take back every complaint I ever had about items in mario kart
@Mr.Sax.
7 ай бұрын
Mario Kart is not about racing, it's about destroying friendships.
@cwba1rd372
7 ай бұрын
I will say one of my favorite moments in Mario Kart is that 2 of my friends and I were playing online, and we all did the Gold Mario Build (All Gold everything, terrible build) and we would always get around 2nd, 4th, 8th. Around those spots every game, until, the holy moment, where we went all out, we had 1st and 2nd early in the 1st lap and 2nd place would protect 1st place and then our 3rd friend got in 3rd and we would protect each other, when one of us got hit with the Blue Shell, 2nd goes to 1st and the line continues. We finished 1st/2nd/3rd with the worst Mario kart build and it’s a moment I will never forget
@Jun_Zz
9 ай бұрын
Sand bagging just isn't in the spirit of racing. Just because something takes practice doesn't mean it takes skill if I'm making sense. It would take practice to take out all your opponents in a hockey game but it wouldn't make you a good or skillful player. You can be within the rules and play to win while entirely circumventing the spirit or purpose of a competition. Mario Kart is built on a way that intentionally narrows the gap between faster and slower drivers for the sake of closer racing. But when a stronger driver is not trying to race and instead abuses the charity intended for weaker drivers, that's where the idea of "cheapness" comes from.
@princetbug
9 ай бұрын
This is exactly it. Said it better than I could for sure.
@RayNagodavithana
8 ай бұрын
Isn't that Nintendo's fault
@princetbug
8 ай бұрын
@@RayNagodavithana who said it wasn't? that doesn't solve the issue
@RayNagodavithana
8 ай бұрын
@@princetbug true
@JohnDoe-zo2ww
9 ай бұрын
Mario Kart requires skill when I’m winning, but when I’m losing it’s just about luck.
@iceburgess461
6 ай бұрын
L.
@bxstbud
7 ай бұрын
Now it’s been nerfed
@destroyermcw626
6 ай бұрын
Cool
@kaptinkitten3683
6 ай бұрын
This is the game where you can get sent from first to last with one bad hit, especially when people are actively trying to win and prevent you from winning.
@VGDeepLore
9 ай бұрын
This is why the pitch clock (and the shot clock before it) now exists. Is sandbagging skill-testing? For sure. It’s also true that not playing the game being a competitively optimal strategy sucks if we’re talking about fun. You aren’t wrong for making winning move, you just shouldn’t be rewarded for it in the first place.
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
Just because something takes skill, doesn't mean we necessarily want to reward that skill. I agree with that idea. The thing with running out the clock in basketball is it's degenerate. What I mean by this is the game usually involves many skills, but running out the clock involves 1 very easy skill. Plus, basketball relies on viewers for revenue, and viewers don't like stalling. Therefore, the shot clock is a great solution for the game and for viewership. With bagging in mario kart, it's not quite the same. Sure, waiting around for items is degenerate and anyone can do that. But making the comeback is not degenerate, and requires the same skills as front running, plus way more. I still think bagging should be nerfed because it goes against the spirit of a racing game. But it should still exist and be good on some tracks, because this is also an item game. I just don't think it necessarily compares to stalling in basketball.
@derinlander
9 ай бұрын
@@Shortcat321Yees, im bad at mk, and dont play online, but just imagine i go online, play a match, and actually play well just to have TACTICAL NUKE INCOMING on my screan and 5 gods rush from last place to first, shattering my ego and will to live. Dont mean it doesent take skill, but why do i get RAILED like that for racing in a racing game. Thats just my opinion though and im bad at mk
@zeroshadowzs
9 ай бұрын
@derinlander in that situation you define "play well" as "do good at racing only". The game is a racing game. It is also an item game. This isn't to be disrespectful, but if you're only defining "do well" as "race only" you're ignoring half of the game, and you're not actually doing well. At best you're performing at 50% capacity.
@borederlands5387
9 ай бұрын
Because front running in mario kart means you have to get lucky with red and blue shells
@uhok6712
9 ай бұрын
@@zeroshadowzsnah bagging makes it entirely an item game that’s the issue, racing doesn’t even matter it’s just get the right items
@Original_J65
9 ай бұрын
Bro here got so hurt when his whole existence got questioned😂
@pirokapurani2078
9 ай бұрын
He seems pretty chill, the only people who are butt hurt are the people complaining lmao
@Beracahh
9 ай бұрын
doesn’t sound hurt to me
@htg98
9 ай бұрын
He just insulted us all by calling us bad, bro is firing back
@gochica8329
9 ай бұрын
Seems like the people calling it no skill are mad bro
@cosmicpizza7571
9 ай бұрын
gotta admit some of these comments are cooking this man
@JohnBLZ
8 ай бұрын
The thing is, Every single Mario Kart generation, has a driving skill-based counterpart, while MK stays rubberbanding-based. SNES: Street Racer N64: Crash Team Racing (PS1) MK8: Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed Personally I like the alternatives every single time.
@TuckT
6 ай бұрын
The way I look at it is that front running takes more mechanical skill, bagging is more about strategy and using your items effectively.
@thomaswright7841
9 ай бұрын
Idk. Just think it’s lame to have a racing game where everyone is staying still collecting items
@Shortcat321
9 ай бұрын
Fair point. They could definitely tune the item system differently to avoid this. But at the same time, Mario kart items are really fun, and front running means pulling coins/bananas the whole race. Either way, you're losing an aspect of what makes the game fun.
@SweetMelaninn
9 ай бұрын
Exactly
@SweetMelaninn
9 ай бұрын
Like, it's not that hard to race
@princetbug
9 ай бұрын
@ShroomlessShortcat Mariokar should encourage staying with the pack, then. That gives the highest variety of items. Bagging into 10th or 12th isn't really that. And it's even further luck based. Granted, majority of items have at least some win condition but you still have to get something that will get you ahead.
@hylianro
7 ай бұрын
I dont get the complaining about bagging. I remember back during mario kart 7 when i was a lot younger my summer camp counseler used bagging to screw me over with good items and gain the advantage. It doesnt always work but its a genuine strategy that takes skill
@incognitoman8719
9 ай бұрын
“If you keep getting hit in first place then that means your not good.” The blue shell behind me: 😉
@Eve921w2
9 ай бұрын
U are just wait for the person behind u to be 1st place
@cameronnaylor4046
9 ай бұрын
Theres like 10 ways to dodge a blue shell mate
@agustinnarvaez5251
9 ай бұрын
@@cameronnaylor4046most require an item so its rng based. Ways that dont require items usually implies falling back, just not as mich as if you were hit
@alouby
9 ай бұрын
@@cameronnaylor4046they're not always reliable
@Ender_Onryo
9 ай бұрын
I wanna see a whole lobby that wants to bag but when Lakito says go nobody moves.
@xVexezle
2 күн бұрын
Bro just said "skill issue" in the most polite way
@Skippyxlxlxl
7 ай бұрын
Honestly, I would try it again because every time I bag I usually win first place, the problem is considering you are from two months ago you don’t know about the nerf that Nintendo made recently about bagging. This isn’t like an “I’m smarter than you🤓” it’s just kind of a “I don’t wanna lose by getting garbage items because of the nerfs Nintendo recently made”
Пікірлер: 5 М.