“I did my own research” is code for “I googled what I wanted to be true”.
@11235Aodh
11 ай бұрын
It can be, but tbh what else are people to do, the average doctor doesn't know any better? The problem is that these people just stopped doing their own research as soon as they found something they liked. I too did my own research trying to cure my husbands diabetic type 2 and after a lot of wading through bullshit i eventually ended up at dr. mc Dougall, dr. Esselstyn and dr. Bulsiewicz. So the problem isn't that they did their own research but that they didn't do enough research. The truth is out there! as Mulder would say...
@shivo4659
11 ай бұрын
See also medical advice from a chiropractor on KZitem 😆
@veganfortheanimals6994
11 ай бұрын
that's exactly it !
@Sovvyy
11 ай бұрын
@@11235Aodh The issue is the vast majority of people lack the skills required to interpret studies. If you don't understand the technical details, the meaning is lost. Researching information provided by specialists/hospitals for patients can help, but reading studies is mostly just a game of confirmation bias. You could technically teach yourself, but it's going to take years.
@WorldOfARandomVegan
11 ай бұрын
Faaaaaaaaacts!
@tomgoff7887
11 ай бұрын
It's worth adding that heart attacks cause significant declines in cholesterol. That is why people hospitalised with heart attacks appear to have lower than expected cholesterol levels. The low carb experts never mention this.
@user-no2mz9hl4f
11 ай бұрын
That’s interesting - I never knew that. I wonder why that is.
@tomgoff7887
11 ай бұрын
Probably because the body takes free cholesterol circulating in the bloodstream to manufacture new cells and repair damaged tissue. Cholesterol also goes down when we have infections like influenza and hepatitis. Presumably because the body uses that free cholesterol to create antibodies etc. It is, I assume, more efficient and quicker than synthesising cholesterol from scratch.
@DrReginaldFinleySr
11 ай бұрын
Makes sense as so many cells have been damaged through oxygen deprivation that materials will need to be sequestered to make new cells during mitosis. Good point.
@WanderingSword
11 ай бұрын
that is correct. In fact, almost any illness will cause cholestrol level to drop. It's one reason why Eskimos who eat raw animal organs have a lower cholestrol than expected because eating raw organs means they're chronically infected with microbes. For this reason, when looking at epedimiological studies about cholestrol and mortality, it's important to note the age groups, because "old people" and "sick people" will skew the data (in favor of cholestrol) making one thinks that cholestrol is not important in mortality. ...But, do you really want to achieve low cholestrol by getting sick all the time? An alcholic also tends to have low cholestrol too, but do you want to be an alcoholic for that?
@epicvegan986
11 ай бұрын
@@tomgoff7887 I thought it was partly to do with people who have had heart attacks were generally in poor health in the run up to it & have other health issues including cancer & liver damage, perhaps barely eating in the days/weeks leading up to it, last ditch attempt to change their ways after the warning signs.
@Eatapotato
11 ай бұрын
My cousin is doing the carnivore diet and he’s already pre diabetic and has high blood pressure. He thinks it’s making him better but after a year on it he looks terrible and he keeps getting Covid and he’s sick all the time. His cholesterol is higher and his blood pressure is still high. I feel like he’s killing him self with this diet and wish he’d listen to me but he’s dead set that it’s the best way to eat. 😞I wish people would look at the science and not the fad.
@northerncoloradotransparen1454
11 ай бұрын
feel like he is killing himself? No doubt about it! Less Filling Tastes Great!
@hardcoreherbivore4730
11 ай бұрын
My cousin did the same thing many years ago. He went full carnivore a few months after I went Vegan. We both were losing weight, but only one of us was able to maintain the diet. He lasted about 3 years, and did lose weight significantly. However, he wasn’t able to keep it going. Was having significant stomach issues, and constipation! The weight came back like a vengeance. Now almost 15 years later, I’m about 150lbs. Him at the same height is almost 300lbs. I rest my case. Screwed up his marriage though, and she was a good woman.
@ejRecording
11 ай бұрын
It's pure ego, sorry to hear. I have fam that all do similar in other ways
@Eatapotato
11 ай бұрын
@@Mattycakes1 I wish he would then that would mean he’s following a good channel! But unfortunately his opinion of veganism is that it’s ridiculous. And the sad thing is my uncle his dad has Parkinson’s disease. I wish they’d just listen to a little bit of what science on the subject of eating plant based can do for you.
@Eatapotato
11 ай бұрын
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 it’s very sad to watch someone you love do this to their body. I noticed a significant change in my cousin’s attitude as well. He’s more angry and defensive and his skin looks awful.
@tylerd.5694
11 ай бұрын
Mic looking more like a 70's pop star everyday. Keep it up my guy!
@manga4774
11 ай бұрын
love it
@teagoldleaf4137
11 ай бұрын
😍 😊
@vrado441
11 ай бұрын
but likes to promote BS!
@cypriano8763
6 ай бұрын
@@vrado441 ah fat meat eaters justifying their favorite food. its all fun and games until yer chest gets cracked open son
@carnivorecouple
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your response and for being respectful. I (Caitlynn) have watched several videos on your channel before because I want to get a well-rounded perspective. I remember watching your rebuttal to Dr Chaffees perspective “plants are trying to kill you”. And maybe you’ll be happy to know I (Cait) eat green vegetables … along with protein to keep me full. 😂 #ketovore I’ll look into more of the information you provided here, thanks for sharing your thoughts thoroughly. I’m curious about the all-cause mortality info you presented for low-carb diets. Will look into that more for sure. Thanks, Mic. Hope you have a good day. Nice editing btw (don’t know if you do that yourself, but it looked nice). Cait P.s. Why don’t you link the studies you cite in the description? Would be helpful for those trying to learn.
@toninavegan
11 ай бұрын
Hey, Cait. Usually Mic links those aforementioned studies. Must’ve forgotten this time. Anyway, you can find them online too and check them with Patrick. A low carb/keto/carnivore diet is the worst thing you can do to yourself, the planet and the animals. Do some more, better research and you’ll soon move on from that FAD. 😊
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
Cait... don't fall for it. watch professor Bart Kay.
@toninavegan
11 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 “Dr”. Bart Kay?! Who is nothing but a 🤡 with no nutrition knowledge whatsoever?! That doesn’t cite any studies and it was debunked countless times?! 🤦🏼♂️ Here’s just one of them: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zIVtl5uFsJ2ImnYsi=_IrdvbR-MM73MMxK Cait, just look at ACTUAL science and not these so called “experts”. Their opinion is just that: an opinion!! No rigorous science but an anecdote. Wish you well.
@JRP3
11 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 You must be kidding, he's a lunatic.
@JRP3
11 ай бұрын
"And maybe you’ll be happy to know I (Cait) eat green vegetables … along with protein to keep me full." Just pointing out that plants contain protein. Example, broccoli 8 gr protein/100 calories vs beef 11 gr protein/100 calories.
@travisporco
11 ай бұрын
when you're young and healthy you can BS yourself into things that don't work, but there is payday someday...there is no substitute for being right
@smurfvolvo
11 ай бұрын
Yes being a vegan takes it's toll.
@travisporco
11 ай бұрын
@@smurfvolvo it's lowcarb that shortens your life
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@travisporco how? explain if you think you know so much.
@travisporco
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRock low carb diets are linked to higher mortality, several studies, including the one that made Mercola change his mind. For example.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@travisporco LOL. clueless. Low-carb diets lead to perfect health markers across the human body. carbs lead to 99% of modern diseases: - diabetes (literally high blood sugar is the definition of diabetes) - obesity (carbs turn to fat in the liver) - tooth decay - CANCER. (learn something from Thomas Seyfried) - heart Disease/stroke (activation of the Randle Cycle) inform yourself better next time.
@cainen6355
11 ай бұрын
The most frustrating part of these kind of denial ideas, if when they say: "Studies have found that x is not THE greatest marker for disease y." and then conclude from that that x is not a relevant marker at all, even when they are in the deep dark red zone of statistical risk themselves. Thinking like this is an easy way of chronically misinterpreting signs until it may be too late, which is sad.
@kimscheuer8023
11 ай бұрын
APO B would be interesting levels to check in these people. A better predictor, but still, their LDL is VERY concerning as you are correct, "LDL is causal." Also, I am glad you mentioned your concern about their all-cause mortality risks including diabetes and cancer with their diet.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
LDL is NOT causal. False. It has never once been proven to be causal in a controlled lab environment. and ApoB is completely irrelevant.
@Enhancedgenetics
11 ай бұрын
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
Apo-B = completely irrelevant.
@m0L3ify
10 ай бұрын
I'm not going to fault that woman for not being able to interpret a research paper correctly. I remember how hard it was to read those when I was studying Bio in college. It takes a lot of training and practice to be able to finally parse the lingo and interpret methods, findings, and data correctly. This is why I think public science education is so important. We need to give people more tools to empower themselves with. I also appreciate that you criticized the diet, not the people. They do seem very lovely, and I was in a similar situation about 20 years ago when I was desperate to find answers for my own health. Good for them for looking and trying things out, and hopefully they'll eventually cross paths with good information instead of misinformation. They seem very well-meaning and very interested in science, which is a great start!
@corty1980
11 ай бұрын
I'am 53 years old and was born with the congenital heart condition Tetrology of Fallots and as a result I have had 4 heart surgeries. My last surgery was on the 20th December 2013 to replace my Aortic valve. Before this surgery I was at my heaviest weight 102kg or around 225 pounds, which was a surprise to me. Even though I knew I was overweight, I didn't realise how much, and as a result I decided to change my diet, and started to exercise. I ended up replacing the chips and other junk food with more meat and eggs which I thought was good for me and by the time I was ready for my hospital visit and surgery I had lost around 17kg or about 40 pounds. Then 8 months after the surgery I had enough of taking meds for my high cholesterol and not getting results. I did some research and decided to remove all animal products/by products from my diet and stop my meds and see what the result was. I was shocked with the results as about 6 weeks after starting this experiment I had my cholesterol checked and it was down 1.5 points. Fast foward 9 years and still not having any animal products/by products, though must admit my diet could be better. My cholesterol levels are currently the lowest/best it has ever been.
@FractalTrades
7 ай бұрын
Happy for you ! Keep spreading the good plant based word!
@jm.101
11 ай бұрын
“Vegan diet is too extreme” *proceeds to eat nothing but animal flesh*
@andreimaxwell4455
11 ай бұрын
Eggs and Steak, so extreme.
@jm.101
11 ай бұрын
@@andreimaxwell4455agreed
@sectionalsofa
11 ай бұрын
In 2009 I believe the cut off for "normal" levels of LDL was 130. Certainly not long before that. Mine hovered around 120 in those days and it was always in the "normal" column on my bloodwork reports and no doctor batted an eye. This is why so many folks had CV events with "normal "LDL.
@perfecttenk8744
11 ай бұрын
They give a table for healthy cholesterol level by age and sex. Higher number for men, and higher numbers as age increases.
@karlwheatley1244
11 ай бұрын
@@perfecttenk8744 But the evidence is clear that the bottom of the "normal" LDL range is too high.
@tomgoff7887
10 ай бұрын
Yes, well 'normal' doesn't mean 'optimal' it just means 'average'.
@ShardstapoRotmg
11 ай бұрын
Just got my blood test back a couple days ago, LDL is at 47 :) total cholesterol is at 106 :) vegan for over 3 years woooooooo
@Manskeeeee
11 ай бұрын
And what are your triglycerides?
@ShardstapoRotmg
11 ай бұрын
@@Manskeeeee 81 :)
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
learn a thing or 2 about LDL from Dr David Diamond and professor Bart Kay... for your own sake.
@ShardstapoRotmg
11 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 I'll check them out
@ShardstapoRotmg
11 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 So far I've just seen a lot of claims from them without any good science to back them up, I'll keep looking through their vids but for now I'll stick with the tried and true science, for my own sake :)
@mcfaddenhall2896
11 ай бұрын
Good lord we need better health education in schools.
@classicgameplay10
11 ай бұрын
Many of those carnivore are doctors. Some people don't want to be educated.
@moomanchu608
11 ай бұрын
Its sad but people skip that class cause its always an easy A 💀
@WanderingSword
11 ай бұрын
don't count on it. School lunch programs are hijacked by the fast food delivery.
@LeckieInstallsLondon
11 ай бұрын
I think you hit the nail on the head. Following carnivore dieters built on misinterpreted studies. And not just misinterpreted studies but cherry picked to completely ignore the outcome data
@JD-59
11 ай бұрын
Hi Mike. The youtube channel Nutrition Made Simple covers a lot of research on cholesterol including ApoB, which he states (MD, PhD scientist) is like knowing the total number of cars on the road rather than how many passengers there are. Apparently even larger lipoproteins can be as athrogenic as certain LDLs. He discusses this in his videos and interviews other MDs, and scientists on topics such as insulin resistance too. Check it out.
@vrado441
11 ай бұрын
None or most of his videos are pure bullshit based on "not knowing and misinformation"!
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
ApoB and LDL are irrelavent to CVD outcomes.
@seodreamteam
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRocklol
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@seodreamteam I know right? it's extremely hilarious knowing that vegans put themselves at risk and are so clueless on the actual data.
@Enhancedgenetics
11 ай бұрын
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
@NiranjhanaNarayanan
11 ай бұрын
I feel sad for these people and angry about the system that allows doctors to spread misinformation.
@deslawson2662
11 ай бұрын
.... And your watching this site lol....
@NiranjhanaNarayanan
11 ай бұрын
What does that mean?
@NiranjhanaNarayanan
11 ай бұрын
If you're talking about KZitem, the problem isn't me, it's the policies they have for getting more views that keep recommending similar content so they get profits of ads, irrespective of if those policies lead to radicalization of an individual who doesn't do enough research or is constantly aware of their conscious biases. Either way, that is part of the system.
@Thurrak
11 ай бұрын
It means Mic the Vegan is the biggest source of misinformation I've ever seen. The guy is not trained clinically, he has no idea how to use a graph. He misreads studies constantly, makes generalized statements as if they are specific, specific statements as if they are generalized, and constantly states his opinion as fact. He's a bonafide idiot.@@NiranjhanaNarayanan
@Abby-tk4vv
10 ай бұрын
It would be worse if misinformation was regulated though. Then the government gets to decide what is right and what is wrong and that would not be good..
@zerid0
11 ай бұрын
I feel so sad for those people. You can see that they got concerned when getting the results and are now trying their hardest to find any hope that they're gonna be fine. 😢 The carnivore/pseudo-science gourous are just doing so much harm. They're actually killing people.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
false. carnivore is not pseudo science. far from it. if you knew anything about human physiology and anthropology you'd know this.
@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRock So carnivore is based on a naturalistic fallacy with little knowledge of anthropology to begin with. Got it.
@siddhanthravichandran3245
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRockdid u even watch the video bro? Or are u too stuck up and brainwashed? Every study out there clearly states that carnivore diets are unhealthy
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos got nothing is more like it. carnivore is based on our species-specific way of eating. that is meat. not fruit nor starchy vegetables, those were invented not more than 200 years ago. humans have existed for 350,000 years. not grains of any kind. that was invented around 10,000 years ago. a blink of an eye when compared to our entire existence as a human race.
@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRock So it's a naturalistic fallacy. Instead of outcome data you speculate on how evolution works. Ignoring that evolution does not even try to optimise longevity or health but would trade any of it against short-term advances in evolutionary fitness. Long-term health especially is even something evolution optimises against (that's the reason non-external death is common among almost all species). Even if I ignore the strange beliefs about anthropology and accept that as true, I could just extrapolate from there that meat is likely harmful for long-term health because evolution has had a long time to find ways to get short-term advantages by sacrificing long-term health. And that extrapolation would be more informed on how evolution works and what its objective function is. Instead of story-telling I look at data. For example figure 2 in _Food groups and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies._ Story-telling is like theoretical physics just a model. Models have to be tested against real world data. That's where the predictive power (see statistical learning theory in mathematics) comes from.
@sw6118
10 ай бұрын
I thought that we’d established that the carnivore diet might work for weight loss in the short term, but it’s a disaster in the long run. Worse yet, you can eat the wrong stuff and give yourself gout or hemochromatosis in addition to high cholesterol. She shouldn’t be reassured that he’ll be ok.
@jacqueline1752
11 ай бұрын
The biggest risk factor for heart disease is type two diabetes. Why? Because they are metabolically unhealthy. They have high fasting insulin which causes high blood pressure, weight gain and numerous other health issues. A more important test for heart disease risk is fasting insulin.
@peterscott2662
11 ай бұрын
His Cholesterol is not that high for the Carnivore community, they routinely have people with Total Cholesterol over 400! But it's OK because rationalization of the day: Big Fluffy LDL, high HDL, or Low TGL... and now this new one low "Remnant Cholesterol"...
@elephantintheroom5678
11 ай бұрын
Mic! Can you do a debunk video of Thomas DeLauer's latest claim that "solo" plant proteins are "worthless," please? I'm sick of his totally unscientific claims!
@11235Aodh
11 ай бұрын
Solo plant proteins are amino acids, is the components the animal protein breaks down to after were done breaking it apart? it's like saying individual lego pieces are worthless only the lego house is ok, but only the red one!
@elephantintheroom5678
11 ай бұрын
@@11235Aodh Furthermore, the body recycles about 90g of amino acids back into our gut every day to be reabsorbed, as I posted in reply, but they are attacking me as an idiot. I want Mic to obliterate their arguments in a video.
@11235Aodh
11 ай бұрын
@@elephantintheroom5678 I'd like to see that too.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
thomas deLiar has been debunked many times as being a clueless internet marketer.
@veganfortheanimals6994
11 ай бұрын
They should watch this and they also should follow Nutrition Made Simple
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
he's confused at best, charlatan at worst.
@WorldOfARandomVegan
11 ай бұрын
Might just be that that carnivore cardiologist doesn't operate on people with high LDL because maybe they're just dropped dead.
@teagoldleaf4137
11 ай бұрын
Mike, thank you for the hours of research and breaking it down for us ❤ Love that pic of Lindy 😍
@vrado441
11 ай бұрын
yes,bullshit research!
@Enhancedgenetics
11 ай бұрын
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
Wrong.
@mkmstillstackin
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this, Mic. Appreciate all that you do! It'll be interesting to see how Patrick does with his future bloodwork results. All the best to them, I guess, but ignoring the preponderance of evidence on LDL while cherry picking certain studies to glean the results you want is unlikely to be a winning strategy over the long-term. But, I guess time will tell.
@teagoldleaf4137
11 ай бұрын
I was thinking that too 👍
@nevilleattkins586
11 ай бұрын
2:35 "I really had to dive in a whole lot and one of the studies I found...." yep that's how science works 100%
@buckmurdock2500
11 ай бұрын
@radovan739 meat eaters that only listen to what they want to hear are really using the 'ol noodle ! !
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
@@buckmurdock2500 clueless.
@buckmurdock2500
11 ай бұрын
@radovan739 no, vegan motivation is quite clear and his has nothing to do with health. Vegans exclude anything derived from animals which by default means everything else is okay. Just because something is not of animal origin doesn't mean it's healthy.
@scispiracy
11 ай бұрын
The major problem with keto, carnivoe, and low-carb dieters isn't that they're on that kind of diet, but they, like a majority of them, have ZERO training on how to interpret scientific evidence. Saving money on going to a register dietician should NOT be a replacement for online "research". And the "But look how much weight I lost, so therefore carnivore diets work" doesn't cut it either. When will they realize that weight loss shouldn't be the only indicator of good health.
@buckmurdock2500
11 ай бұрын
they don't need to. There's enough beef industry shills on the internet so they can be brain dead and follow low-carb, keto, carnivore.
@somedudeok1451
11 ай бұрын
It's really tough seeing people being willfully stupid and endangering themselves and then spreading their stupid arguments to others who will then endanger themselves just as well.
@vrado441
11 ай бұрын
get some real information instead following bullshiter?
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
now you tell me smart guy, how are they endangering themselves? because i can assure you, carnivore is way healthier than vegan.
@somedudeok1451
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRock Sure bro, somehow I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about, since you didn't even watch the video full of studies that disprove you.
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
@@somedudeok1451 Lol. "studies". stop putting so much faith in zero-sense articles written by payed-off writers. anybody who knows anything about science will know that you can get a study to show ANYTHING you want. it's really not that hard to skew statistics.
@somedudeok1451
11 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 You didn't check who wrote these studies and you didn't check if the conclusions make sense or not. You're just falling back on anti-science rethoric you've heard without understanding it. You also don't have any solutions, except believe the pro-meat voices you choose to believe and "do your own research", which as a layman often has terrible consequences.
@StephenMarkTurner
11 ай бұрын
I remember them. I put a 'do not recommend' on them immediately, but I do remember them :-)
@donwinston
11 ай бұрын
There needs to be more push back against anti science misinformation about health and diets. Mic the Vegan does it better than anyone.
@buckmurdock2500
11 ай бұрын
@radovan739Uh, bullshit is an animal product so it's better suited for carnivores.
@botzer8817
11 ай бұрын
@radovan739 All studies show that seed oils are protective compared to any saturated fat source like butter, I just did my research and will stop buying any saturated fat food, thank you
@deslawson2662
11 ай бұрын
He had absolutely no idea what he's talking about. His understanding of science is laughable at best. Completely dangerous at worst
@scocassovegetus
10 ай бұрын
There's a guy, and his wife, on a podcast I listen to (not a diet podcast) who put themselves on a carni diet based upon some stuff his wife read. Fast forward a year... he ended up in the hospital, almost died, and it's still a MYSTERY as to why it happened, he still thinks it was some random mystery event. Uug.
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
ended up in the hospital because of what. I'm sure many vegans have ended up in a hospital after taking upon their diet. your point?
@michaelmappin1830
11 ай бұрын
Thank you.❤ much love from Canada
@planetx5269
11 ай бұрын
You are really doing a great service with your information. Thank you.
@vrado441
11 ай бұрын
no he is not, yes if you believe in bullshit!
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
Dis information more like it.
@organikness
11 ай бұрын
Its all in the eyes as RZA said
@Solo-_-..
11 ай бұрын
Anyone can tell stories… My grandparents on both sides of my family live past 90, my mom and aunt are still alive and a brother who is 90 and all they were high fat sad diet all their lies, they were also heavy, smokers and drinkers. No one I know of was a vegetarian.
@anonimogonzalezperez4951
10 ай бұрын
And I have a friend who drinks liters of beer many days a week, as his father during decades, and both are alive and with good health. They are freaks of nature with kidneys and liver of iron. Lucky or maybe it is very healthy to drink liters of beer
@YOLONOW5280
11 ай бұрын
Omg the stroke lady had a total of four doctors. Three of them said carnivore could have caused her stroke and one doctor said carnivore didn’t cause her stroke. I could not believe how ridiculous she sounded.
@Toaster-v1z
9 ай бұрын
Maybe she has a big life insurance policy on him.
@ryanwellington7493
6 ай бұрын
People that read studies aren't "doing their own research", they're interpreting other peoples research which is called studying 😂.
@chrisconklin2981
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate your comments about the environmental damage of the carnivore diet. In my communications with various Carnivore channels, I get no response when I bring this subject up. Also, I often use the term "Ethical Veganism" in order to make room for animal rights and environmental responsibility. I have noticed some carnivore talkers have begun to use the term ethical veganism, though I don't think it is a compliment.🌻
@Jakeelias93
10 ай бұрын
Mic looking JACKED.
@mrentertainer47
10 ай бұрын
Haha! Speak to Bart Kay! He'll put you right - why not contact him for advice?
@DanteLikesRock
10 ай бұрын
Mic is scared.
@idontcare-sf1vb
11 ай бұрын
People can do vegan keto it doesn’t mean scarfing down eggs bacon cheese and cholesterol plenty of healthy keto meals/ foods. Watermelon blueberries walnuts almonds most nuts avocado cauliflower cabbage. Some people have high diabetes risk/sugar sensitivity so it’s not a bad way to eat for those people as long as you’re not eating bacon wrapped fried cheese dipped in butter 🙄
@merives2263
11 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on the carnivore family.
@sharonoflondon3365
10 ай бұрын
Wish they'd try following Dr McDougall's plan for a few weeks and see how they feel doing that.
@vidasagharlou4895
11 ай бұрын
Thanks mike❤️
@trinityangel666
11 ай бұрын
These people are addicted to meat. They don’t want to give it up, so they justify ways to avoid going plant based. I see this all they time. I’m plant based for 5 years. Just had my annual physical and blood work came back great. Total cholesterol 134, LDL 57. The guy in this video is a walking heart attack waiting to happen. It’s sad that people don’t realize that the SAD diet, keto and carnivore diet is killing them slowly. Human aren’t meant to eat that way.
@carnivorecouple
11 ай бұрын
Actually I was addicted to carbs, not meat. 👍 Thanks for sharing your perspective but had to correct you there because carbs are my addiction, not meat. Thx - Cait
@mizz308
11 ай бұрын
@@carnivorecouplecrazy y’all brainwashed asses is still being ignorant. Your lady sitting there like a airhead knowing your eating yourself to early preventable grave. Just please don’t have your heart attack behind the wheel and hurt somebody innocent.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@mizz308 clueless. meat is our species-specific diet. btw, it's "you're".
@rachelgoodkind6545
11 ай бұрын
Thanks again for sharing. Hype surrounds the extreme diets, especially the one promoting the constant victimization and exploitation of animals and not eating any fiber. Only pooping 2x weekly, having only about 12 food choices, e.d., and body odor are some humans choices. Truth is that it is a very very low spirituality and frequency, 3D "diet". but humans buy into it. I told you about my former neighbor (who was a smoker and was 75 pounds overweight), who was told by a friend to go carni/keto, and who had a heart attack 2 months later. He became an "ex" extreme high fat dieter. cheers.
@azdhan
2 ай бұрын
Great video. I saw his video. That guy went from overconsuming lots of twinikies, other ultraprocessed highly pallitable foods and tons of McDonald’s food. That made him superfat as it would do to any other human. Then he cut out all those foods, went carnivore only, dramatically reduced his caloric intake and lost a ton of weight. His blood markers improved as a result of his extreme weight loss, not carnivore as the same would have happened if he went on any other restrictive diet, whether grapefruit only, eggs only, veggies only, etc., He falsely credited the carnivore diet for what happened to him. And to add insult to injury he now claims to be a Lean Mass Hyper Responder because what happened. That is so silly. It is like some one who drinks a ton of alcohol experiences tons of health issues dur to their alcoholism, then gives up alcohol for water and sees a resolution to his health issues. The reason was not drinking water only now, but stopping the alcohol altogether. If you drank all that alcohol in consumption with water, it is not the water that was your saviour, lol. If you continued to eat junk food with carnivore, your health issues would never have resolved and you would never have slimmed down. So, that is proof, carnivore is not magical lol
@meltedwheeliebin
11 ай бұрын
Looking good Mic
@heidiantros1856
11 ай бұрын
The size of the cholesterol is important and few docs test for it. apolipoprotein B (apoB) or LDL particle number (LDL-P) testing
@8sun52
9 ай бұрын
She's mixing two separate studies together. They contradict each other at it's initial reading (but they actually don't) because that American Heart Association study is not in line with hundreds of studies. The American Heart Association has major issues if anyone cares to look into them. Yes. There are other causes of heart attacks. I'm not understanding this study. There's a contradiction here. 75% didn't have cholesterol levels indicating a high risk. Yes. There are other causes of heart attacks. (UCLA) So that study supports peer reviewed studies that show the connection between chronic elevated cholesterol and heart disease. So that study supports the heart health risk of a high meat based diet. Yes. THANK YOU. But the other study claims elevated LDL does not seem to be the greatest predictor..." That's the American Heart Association (from their journal) (2009) Look...a chronic high LDL/high cholesterol diet is asking for it. Some people can stand it longer than others.
@isidrott
11 ай бұрын
Great video!
@Balancinglife
11 ай бұрын
Its going to be incredibly expensive to buy meat in the future
@seitanbeatsyourmeat666
11 ай бұрын
Good, as it should be. It shouldn’t be federally subsidized with tax money either (including the for-profit restaurants that benefit from those subsidies too… like McDonald’s)
@11235Aodh
11 ай бұрын
@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 For sure, angers me to no end that i'm obligated by law to pay for the destruction of our planet for others to have a cheaper piece of meat (i know it's not FOR that but for helping the "poor farmers" even though 1 in 5 farmers are millionaire...) I'm in the Netherlands, i think every country has such a subsidie program so it's really depressing.
@bbybeatboxx
11 ай бұрын
@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666100% agree! It's fundementally wrong for people who give a shit to fund the people who don't in their poor decisions! How is that fair??? 🤷♂️ If things do not make sense all you have to do is follow the money and you will find that they quickly drop into sharp focus!
@VeganowledgeJJ
11 ай бұрын
When people want to eat meat they will come up with crazy stuff lol
@TangoMasterclassCom
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for another great video! Always learn so much from your channel!
@Barbara-ch3qf
11 ай бұрын
I don’t know anyone doing the carnivore diet but I do have family that are following low carb diets due to metabolic disease. I’ve been a vegetarian (I ate dairy, no eggs since I was allergic) since I was 12 y/o and opted to cut out dairy about 13 years ago. My lipid profile has remained pretty consistent over the years, most recent numbers: total cholesterol 167, triglycerides 53, HDL 72 (75 is the top of normal for the lab that did the analysis), LDL 84.4. I’m 65 y/o. I think some of this is genetic (my dad had similar levels and his diet was a lot different from mine). I’ve never tried to argue with people over their dietary choices, but I do think it’s a cultural phenomenon that these kinds of choices have become the basis of identity and any questioning prompts such outrage. Sad that we all get locked into information silos. I will say that the health argument has never seemed to me to be the best foundation for choosing to go plant based. There are many more obvious and compelling reasons, some of which you’ve mentioned.
@emilyking9558
Ай бұрын
Mic is fluffy. These people are actually making me sad. Killing animals, the planet and themselves
@Mrm1985100
11 ай бұрын
LDL 207!! Wow...
@tomwandersee73
9 ай бұрын
LDL is a marker for extreme longevity. Carnivore is the proper human diet.
@mbrum3230
8 ай бұрын
Ok we will just take ur word for it. Nah how about a source. Prediction...no reply.
Am I the only one who doesn't think people are "nice people" for going out of their way to cherry pick misleading and inaccurate factoids from non-credible sources in order to promote a way of eating that is exacerbating climate change and hurting millions of animals? I don't want them to hurt themselves the way they are doing with this diet, but, you know, they're also harming other people and other life on earth. (Not saying people should hate on them. Don't do that. But, no, I'm not terribly impressed by their "niceness.")
@edmaloney9043
11 ай бұрын
For God’s sake man get some sun, lift some weights and eat a steak. I must say you’re the perfect spokesperson for a weed eating diet.
@Solo-_-..
11 ай бұрын
13:47 that would make a great drinking game. Every time you guys say, all cause mortality, you can say the same about anything humans touch, or do increases all cause mortality.
@Bullshirt1983
11 ай бұрын
You lost me at bad cholesterol. How about talking about what cholesterol actually is and looking at APoB?
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
you're only half-correct. measuring ApoB is useless however.
@Bullshirt1983
10 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 Not according to the science.
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
@@Bullshirt1983 ohhh the ScIeNcE huh. what "science"? (none.)
@genericyoutubechannel6180
10 ай бұрын
At this point. Human to human i worry. But imma let Jesus take the wheel with these people. That darwin award becoming more and more popular every day 😂😅
@amberbrehaut7045
11 ай бұрын
A large portion of the carnivore community are ex Vegans . So I guess I'll see some of you soon! 🥩
@rbp365
11 ай бұрын
my ldl is 54 :D Mike beat me with 50
@veganfortheanimals6994
11 ай бұрын
I must have bad genetics, I'm WFPB no oil, run 4-5 days per week, weights 5 days per week, no alcohol, good sleep, and I can't get mine below 81 at best, it's been 89 and higher too.
@rbp365
11 ай бұрын
@@veganfortheanimals6994 How long youve been on the path? Maybe you will have to wait a couple of years more. Ive been doing this lifestyle since 2016, not even the healthiest version of it. But when I was only 1-2 years in, i cannot imagine my numbers as good as now (sadly I did not measure them though)
@DanteLikesRock
10 ай бұрын
@@veganfortheanimals6994 maybe because LDL isn't meant to be low ???🙄
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
@@veganfortheanimals6994 nature is rejecting your endeavor for unnecessarily low LDL levels. Maybe it's a hint?
@thewanderingbox8253
11 ай бұрын
carbon emmissions does not matter....there is NO CLIMATE EMERGENCY....🤦🏻♂️
@shaddelick
11 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video, very informative. Do you have any videos discussion the eating of eggs and the affect on blood cholesterol? I keep hearing that eating cholesterol doesn't necessarily raise LDL. Wanted to see your take
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
don't even bother with his take, since it is highly biased and un-informed.
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
FYI: eating cholesterol is completely fine, and cholesterol shouldn't be any cause for concern. It's chronic systemic inflammation that should be cause for concern though.
@williamhartman9
11 ай бұрын
This couple saddens me actually, they seem really sweet and they seem to be a great subject for psychological study , specifically cognitive dissonance and dissociation. Genuinely concerning, she thinks she’s saving her husband but she is not.
@armyparty
11 ай бұрын
1:52 honestly looks like bloodwork and i am not even carnivore. Back to the video
@80slimshadys
11 ай бұрын
I new about the mendelian randomisation studies but I forgot they were that high of evidence. Those are not small sample sizes and they are extremely long randomisation studies.
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
they are not good evidence at all.
@80slimshadys
11 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 They are the best kind of evidence, tf are you talking about? You have literally no scientific understanding. Can tell off the bat you don't even know what they are. If you're trying to find out what a certain cholesterol level does to the arteries and you have people that have a genetically locked cholesterol level that doesn't change throughout their lifetime as opposed to everyone else whos goes up and down dramatically in comparison which is harder to gauge what it's doing to the artery, then the people who have a consistent reading tells you fuck loads more. Get tf out of here with your brain rot.
@DanteLikesRock
10 ай бұрын
@@80slimshadys absolute nonsense. Learn a thing or two about science before mentioning garbage such as mendelian randomization. There are a million other confounding factors. You probably listen to Peter Attia lol. Couldn't be me.
@RawandCookedVegan
11 ай бұрын
Thanks Mic, you are the seek and destroy of nutritional nonsense.
@Enhancedgenetics
11 ай бұрын
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
@DanteLikesRock
10 ай бұрын
correction: he IS the nutritional nonsense.
@RawandCookedVegan
10 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRockMaybe you could enlighten us with your wisdom. Any evidence of anything?
@DanteLikesRock
10 ай бұрын
@@RawandCookedVegan Gladly. Mic doesn't understand how to interpret statistics. Plus, all the studies he uses are misinterpreted to fit his vegan narrative. The "European consensus panel" study he uses is another example of Mic here using an opinion piece (the lowest form of evidence.) and conveniently forgetting to mention the ALMOST ENDLESS list of conflicts of interest. Seriously, it's laughable. Just go take a look at professor Bart Kays videos debunking him. I'm so glad I opened my eyes with Bart Kay, since I used to be a vegan too.
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
@@RawandCookedVegan I can only direct you to professor Bart Kay where he debunks everything Mic says, over and over again.
@notorioustampaton
11 ай бұрын
I really hope they don’t have kids.
@moredatesmorefiber3526
11 ай бұрын
10:45 did you mean to say under 70????? I'm confused
@710moz
11 ай бұрын
The Knights &Nobles had known for centuries that a high meat diet would shorten their lives dramatically
@godemperormeow8591
11 ай бұрын
I need Mic's shirt.
@javierorozco201
10 ай бұрын
Do oxidized cholesterol
@Corilo91
11 ай бұрын
Calling your channel "Carnivore Couple" immediately after you chosen to follow the carnivore diet, is already a very bad sign.
@atd5684
10 ай бұрын
The do your own research crowd is a danger to themselves. I’ve lost weight on a low carb/high protein diet however my idea of protein was lean, lean, lean meats and low fat yogurt, eggs etc with a side of greens. Being on this type of diet makes you far less hungry and before you know it, you’re hardly eating anything. I wouldn’t tempt fate after losing weight on a high fat diet - I would definitely work to get blood counts in check following but that’s just me. Rather be safe than sorry.
@elephantintheroom5678
11 ай бұрын
I thought it was lipoprotein (a), not cholesterol, that blocks our arteries? Please explain.
@WinterGK
11 ай бұрын
Lipoprotein is the car, and the passenger is cholesterol.
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
@@WinterGK please stop. that analogy is overused and doesn't explain anything. nothing at all.
@WinterGK
11 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 It just explains that both are interlinked and they travel together. I guess I could explain that small lipoprotein "cars" breach your endothelial wall but big cars cannot, but after that its the cholesterol "passengers" that cause plack build up, not the cars themselves.
@jimbobkitty
6 ай бұрын
no thank you, i don't want to try seed, you can stop offering 🤣
@biancat.1873
11 ай бұрын
💚🐾🌱💚🐾🌱💚🐾🌱
@AK-np4rp
11 ай бұрын
"Really nice, well meaning people" Are you taliking about the same people? A couple happy exploiting animals to the nth degree? WTF!
@bbybeatboxx
11 ай бұрын
Deluded, well meaning people would be fairer, but undiplomatic I suppose. 🤷♂️ Being unopologetic is fair enough but we have to remember that brainwashed sheeple cannot be coaxed with insults. (As tempting as it is!) 🐑
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
ah yes, vegans with the guilt-trip. Their only tactic.
@AK-np4rp
10 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 It's called having a conscience. Shame you don't have one.
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
@@AK-np4rp I do. I love animals, probably more so than the average person. but do you believe that no animals die from eating plants? you believe that mono-crop harvesting magically avoids the poor rodents/rabbits?
@AK-np4rp
10 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 I've been vegan for 27 years. I've heard all the arguments, so I am very familiar with the "crop deaths" argument. No vegan denies that animals die when plants are grown and harvested but the degree has been exaggerated. Firstly, when you eat animals, you are complicit in the killing and exploitation of the animal, as well as being complicit in the crop deaths related to what the animal was fed. Due to the inefficiencies of conversion from plant to carcass, a non-vegan is more guilty of crop deaths than a vegan. 2. Veganism is primarily a principle opposed to exploitation. It is a deontological principle, not a consequentialist theory, so it is orimarily concerned with "use," not numbers. Numbers still matter but it doesn't override the foundational principle of non-explotation. 3. It is not about purity or futility. Merely living causes harm but that doesn't mean we all ought to commit suicide or become nihilists. 4. If more people were vegan, there would be investment in solutions to further minimise or even end crop deaths altogether. Vertical farming is one such solution. Crop deaths will forever continue if non-veganism is the norm.
@godsangel1488
5 ай бұрын
No, the problem is once you eat plants and insulin spikes, it starts to destroy the arteries. Once the arteries become damaged from plants, the ldl starts to form. If you all of a sudden decide to go carnivore and the arteries have been damaged, you speed up a clogged artery. If your arteries are in good shape, a high protein diet may be ok to live out on that diet with no problems. If that is that humans are carnivores.
@thorham1346
2 ай бұрын
What a load of bs.
@AngelikaSchallehn
4 ай бұрын
Are you some kind of doctor?
@consciousartlife
11 ай бұрын
I would love for you to make a case of those who went from Vegan to Carnivore and healed themselves. The ex-plant eater is a good case of this. She was Vegan for 14 years, went carnivore and healed her Colitis within a year, that she got when she was Vegan. I think the Vegan diet is okay for some, but not everyone, same with the carnivore diet. Different strokes, different folks.
@mizz308
11 ай бұрын
All y’all have for the carnivore diet is anecdotal. plant based diets are healthier for everybody, period. The places that produce the oldest/healthiest people all have a plant based diet in common regardless of race, blood type, gender or whatever else y’all make up. Imagine saying some lions can be carnivores and others herbivores or some giraffes can be herbivores and others carnivores it does not work like that.
@carnivorecouple
11 ай бұрын
YES! Not all diets are for all people. Right on 💪
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@mizz308 clueless. anecdotal you say? how about hard factual science such as human physiology and anthropology. this is the basis for carnivore.
@broddr
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRockhard factual comparison of human teeth and digestive system clearly shows that we evolved as starchivores and fruitivores. We are the only species that has amylase (starch digesting enzymes) in both our saliva and our gut. What use is all that starch digesting enzyme to a carnivore?
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@broddr "starchivores"... "fruitivores"... just Lol. both starchy vegetables and sugary sweet fruits as we know them today did not exist more than 200 years ago. They have all been selectively bred and engineered to be sweet. That is an evolutionary blink of an eye when compared to 350 000 years as Homo Sapiens and 4.5 million years as human-like species. we only have the salivary amylase gene only as a relic from our human-like ancestors when we evolved and descended from the trees. Since there was no particular advantage to knocking the gene out, it remained. besides, if you want to talk about the human digestive system don't even try to rationalize our high gut acidity, which is even higher than other obligate carnivores such as vultures and lions. and even if all that weren't true, sugar of any kind is an unnecessary and TOXIC to the human body. That is a fact. We dont need any carbs from our diet, since we produce all the sugar we need via gluconeogenesis. completely blowing your "fruitivore" logic out of the water. so you are completely false.
@horse1-1
11 ай бұрын
By selling a supplement in your video, you're handing "DYOR" people a reason to discount you on a silver platter ("He's a health industry plant/shill! etc. etc."). Can't you be sponsored by squarespace or something? Lol
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
isn't that enough evidence that he can't be taken seriously?? how much more red flags do you need.
@horse1-1
10 ай бұрын
Nah people gotta eat @@itsmedante.5325
@VeganWellnessTribe
11 ай бұрын
My name is Caitlin. How dare. Jk jk
@HerbysHanz
11 ай бұрын
Hello. To Mic: may I get a fmt donation from u , sir? I am in Cali. 🙏
@annaal7480
11 ай бұрын
People on keto diet like it because they lose weight quickly AND gain energy. They gain energy because they suddenly stop eating gluten. It makes a huge difference in their mental state. I am a sugar and bread junkie and the difference in my life is enormous when I don’t touch both. I am full of energy and my head is clear. I love this feeling, it is like being high on wellness. I wish someone would explain to keto dieters this fact. Maybe then they’ll think about dropping meat and will look at their tests results seriously.
@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος
11 ай бұрын
Gluten are a great protein source.
@annaal7480
11 ай бұрын
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος do you know what junkie is? It means a person with addiction. I didn’t write that gluten is no good to everyone. It is no good to me. I usually cannot stop on one bread roll, have to have 3. After eating them I have diarrhea, brain fog, depression, my eyelids swell up and my psoriasis comes back. Each one of us is different and pushing gluten because it has protein is irresponsible. I prefer my protein from lentils and tofu. I am not allergic to those but realise that some people cannot have soy.
@11235Aodh
11 ай бұрын
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος Protein is such a non issue tbh, there is amino acids (all 20 of them) in every vegetable and fruit and in plenty amounts if you eat your daily allowance of calories like you should. Some people just don't do well with gluten. Human breastmilk is
@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos
11 ай бұрын
@@annaal7480Gluten does not contain protein. Gluten is a mix of proteins. Do you have effects from other gluten containing grains (other than hyper-palatable I mean - that's not glutens fault)? If people have no adverse effects to gluten, they shouldn't avoid gluten. Why? Avoiding gluten is associated with increased mortality among others (see Harvard Health) because you're restricting diversity or avoiding whole grains (which are linearly associated with decreased mortality). And because seitan is delicious. You just have to learn how to prepare it. It's the sane with soy. Don't avoid it if you are not allergic. If not, better do not avoid it. It has health benefits and increases diversity in your diet. ps: I'm allergic to something in US wheat products. But not to EU wheat products. As a German I can't stand the gluten dis. 😅
@char2304
11 ай бұрын
These people need to be removed
@seitanbeatsyourmeat666
11 ай бұрын
Don’t worry, they’re working on it 😂
@bbybeatboxx
11 ай бұрын
They are supposed to be doing it are they not?
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
I agree, I'm tired of these vegans and their pseudo-science.
@bbybeatboxx
10 ай бұрын
@@itsmedante.5325 🤣
@jacqueline1752
11 ай бұрын
Love your latest meal, fake meat sausage wrapped in pastry. Yeah, healthy much 😂😂😂😂
@marzettik
11 ай бұрын
Cool video. I come from a family with heart disease and I’m the only one on a vegan diet and the only one not on meds for heart issues. It’s kind of scary how easily these carnivore diet propaganda spreads.
@funfax3861
11 ай бұрын
They eat a plant/grain based diet with some factory meat, any ‘diet’is better
@Joseph1NJ
11 ай бұрын
People believe what they want to; high LDL is not dangerous, the election was stolen, Israel wants peace...
@johnmartinsen963
11 ай бұрын
About 695,000 people in the United States died from heart disease in 2021-1 in every five deaths. Yet all conventional medicine fingers continue to point to LDL being the culprit. This hypothesis seems so weak that even Harvard acknowledges: “Yet, research has shown that about 75% of heart attack sufferers do not have dangerously high LDL levels.” So, if that is the case, why is the AHA still supporting the same worthless dietary guidance? Well, maybe they’re changing their minds on the DL…. Following the money… In 2018-2019, the AHA received 45 million dollars from Pharmaceutical and Biotech Companies, Medical Device Manufacturers and Health Insurance Providers* AHA may have incentives to help these companies make money by inventing medical devices, medications, etc. Healthy people don’t need those interventions, and they don't make the medical industry or pharma money. So what is the science telling us? LDL is present in arterial plaquing, but it’s not the direct cause of why it’s there. LDL has many vital functions: Helps your body make cell membranes and is a large component in nerve cells Essential for creating sex hormones (estrogen, testosterone) Vitamin D synthesis Bile acid synthesis Antioxidant-like properties* Similar to firemen being present at a fire, they did not cause the fire and they are there for damage control. LDL can be viewed the same way. Further, it is not the amount of LDL that seems to be the issue, but the type of subclass LDL. LDL consists of three sub classes - A, B, and I. The study found that having LDL made up of 60% A and 20% each of I and B was associated with the least damage to blood vessels, while having a high proportion of B compared with the other two sub classes was associated with the most damage. It’s my opinion that the AHA should have a big asterisk next to their public dietary fat recommendations to be more transparent about how their recommendations are, in fact, inconclusive.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
if anything it's scary how this vegan nonsense propaganda spreads. meat/animal fat/cholesterol is NOT CAUSAL to heart disease. End of story.
@jacqueline1752
11 ай бұрын
Are they carnivore or SAD
@Kristers_K
11 ай бұрын
This is very common, a lot of people get easily mislead by the short term effects like weight loss, feeling good, etc but are completely ignorant to long term effects, diseases. It saddens me to see people being ignorant until they are hospitalized from a heart attack or it's too late like having a terminal case of stage 4 cancer...oof. These two seem like nice people, but the delusion high...yikes.
@gryphoncroat
11 ай бұрын
Just like the short term of effects of another radical diet... I just can't help to remmember the name...🤔🤔🤔😅
@mizz308
11 ай бұрын
@@gryphoncroatyup so radical all the places that have the oldest living people with no alzheimer's or dementia share it!
@shivo4659
11 ай бұрын
The problem also is that the online community spouts nonsense that bears any resemblance to actual scientific fact. It's like watching a slow mass suicide 😢
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
if you knew anything about human physiology and anthropology, then you'd realize that carnivore is the best way to go. this coming from a former vegan.
@Vscustomprinting
11 ай бұрын
Just gotta keep studying microbiology 🤷🎃👻
@KYLE-zo4bm
11 ай бұрын
why do people always read the opposite of what the study says
@m.g.3913
11 ай бұрын
Confirmation bias?
@xtrwq
11 ай бұрын
Many of them are probably functionally illiterate. They have a hard time understanding basic sentences but think they can understand these studies.
@halien8400
11 ай бұрын
She probably didn't read it/doesn't know how to read studies and quoted and took the info straight from the cholesterol promoting cults. 🤔
@broddr
11 ай бұрын
Short attention spans means many people just read the headline of a study and form their own conclusions, rather than reading the entire paper or even the conclusions in the abstract.
@olgakim4848
9 ай бұрын
@@broddrYep. Intellectually lazy as fuck.
@WanderingSword
11 ай бұрын
Darwin will get people man, Darwin always wins.
@mygirldarby
11 ай бұрын
The carnivore and low carb dieters are really very misled, and it's sad, but Darwin won't "get them."" Charles Darwin hated "social Darwinism" and vehemently opposed his theories being misapplied to humans or our social structure. The idea of social Darwinism is used for racism, sexism, and as an excuse for not helping people who are below average in intelligence, or who have physical disabilities. I'm not trying to be mean or single you out. Many people joke about this topic, and there's even the Darwin Awards, which Charles Darwin would be appalled by were he alive. I'm always surprised at how pervasive social darwinism is and how most people who subscribe to it have no idea that Charles Darwin hated this misapplication of his theory. It's clear that this carnivore diet couple is doing something stupid, and it may, in fact, shorten their lives, but Darwinism doesn't apply to them. For one, while intelligence level is somewhat inherited, being on a carnivore diet is not genetic, so it can't be passed on to offspring. More importantly, Darwin's theory has to do with (mostly) physical characteristics that offer some advantage to overall survival of the species as a whole. If one single member of a species is very dumb, then yes, that individual might be left to die or simply won't be assisted or mated with if it is a crocodile or a hippo or something, but humans don't abandon people with lower levels of intelligence (for the most part). We have a social structure and higher minded ideals as well as love and a sense of community that makes us help those who are not as fortunate in some way. Sorry for the length. I do get what you mean, but I wish more people knew about the dark history of social darwinism and why it isn't part of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.
@robmcg9538
11 ай бұрын
Yeah because darwinian evolution involved avoiding animal products 😂
@DanteLikesRock
10 ай бұрын
indeed he will.👍🏻😋🥩🥩🥩
@MichaelToub
11 ай бұрын
So sad for this couple- I was in that cult, so glad I’m not anymore, thanks in part to @plantchompers and @micthevegan!
@vrado441
11 ай бұрын
vegan diet is for misinformed and brain dead!
@deslawson2662
11 ай бұрын
Lol and now your in this cult.... You seem gullible
@annavieste7208
10 ай бұрын
And I hate to say it but if they lost weight on the carnivore how enormous were they before because they sure aren’t at a good body weight . Plus maybe they feel ok now but they are super young . I guess what Covid didn’t wipe out stupidity will . Carnivore diet fans good luck reaching a few more decades . I literally have family AND friends ( yep drink with a 96 year old guy at the pub ) who aren’t that age and active by eating meat . Actually show me one single person in their 90s who is vibrant and active who is carnivore ….and has been more decades
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
plant chomper and Mic.... two of the biggest frauds out there.
@sidilicious11
11 ай бұрын
A cautionary tale: I wrote this in the comments before but the carnivore diet killed my Mom this year. At age 93 she found the carnivore diet on KZitem and decided it was the way to go. Perks: she didn’t have to cook much, just put a roast in the slow cooker and eat off it for a few days. And she lost weight, which she needs to do. And she claimed she felt great, and that her poops were better than ever(in the beginning). As a vegan I was horrified. But she was an adult who gets to makes her own choices, especially at her age. So us vegan and vegetarian family members watched and wondered. About 6 months into this all meat diet she ended up in the emergency room with a bowel obstruction. She decided to not undergo the surgery and go into hospice instead. It was sort of death by meat. I can’t judge too hard because in life she was terrified of not being able to have assisted suicide as an option if she got a fatal disease(not legal in MI). So in a way she subconsciously chose her own death, and in hospice it was peaceful and fairly quick. We all believe she’d be alive still though if she was on a whole food plant based diet. Or even just a omnivore diet with plant foods included.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
- what meat did she eat? bacon?? - did she include other animal products like milk? - was she truly 100% carnivore over those 6 months? how did you know? - what was her diet like before she started carnivore? you mentioned she was overweight to begin with. why is that?
@itsmedante.5325
11 ай бұрын
also, what kind of "bowel obstruction" was this? a tumour?
@sidilicious11
11 ай бұрын
@@DanteLikesRock pot roast, but I think she had some bacon too occasionally. I think she had half n half in her coffee. I believe she ate a few macadamia nuts. Her diet before was an omnivore diet. I don’t thin it was a tumor. She was constipated toward the end.
@DanteLikesRock
11 ай бұрын
@@sidilicious11 how much fatty meat did she eat? was she one of those that preferred leaner meats like chicken?
@JFCotman
10 ай бұрын
Sorry for your lost She started the Carnivore diet at age 93, but at what age did she pass away if you don’t mind my asking?
@user-no2mz9hl4f
11 ай бұрын
When people develop diseases as a result of their diet because they like simply like the taste and can’t be bothered to make healthier choices, I don’t feel too badly for them; it’s kind of like the chronic smoker with lung disease who never tried to quit. But when people turn to an unhealthy diet due to misinformation because they’re actually trying to make a healthy choice, it saddens me. Thank you, Mike, for continuing to set the record straight.
@11235Aodh
11 ай бұрын
This is true, but they did stop searching for the truth at a comfortable point, because today with the internet (and also people that are native English and thus can access everything on the net). You can find the truth if you dig long enough and end up here, or with dr. Mc Dougall, or dr. Esselstyn or dr. Ornish or dr. Peter Rogers. There is SO MUCH information out there that carnivore isn't healthy and even more information on how it's completely destructive to our planet due to habitat loss and mass animal extinction that i have a hard time dealing with this excuse.
@razzledazdazzle
11 ай бұрын
@@Sweeney-nn2hythe mistake is “listening” as you say, as your primary source. You need to stop listening to people on the internet, and start digging into the studies yourself. Nothing wrong with watching a few videos to start your research, but you need to confirm what you’re hearing by looking at the studies, and learning how to read them properly and check biases etc
@11235Aodh
11 ай бұрын
@@Sweeney-nn2hy You can always fact check what people are saying, when a doctor says something i haven't heard of i google it and see what that comes up with and how and if it agrees. Or what I've also had happen is dr. mc Dougall saying something and then later in one of dr. Peter Rogers biochemistry videos he's explaining how that what dr. mcDougall said works in practice on cellular level completely independently. Besides it helps to see first hand how low fat plant exclusive is helping my husband ditch his bloodpressure and diabetes meds.
@Guishan_Lingyou
11 ай бұрын
@@Sweeney-nn2hy I watch plenty of youtube videos on nutrition and health, and some youtubers I trust more than others (e.g. NutrionMadeSimple), but when I need to know what the current best information on a topic is (e.g., one of my kids is having a medical problem), I read actual scientific studies, which can be found on PubMed for instance. Can we know that scientific studies are accurate? To begin, we need to be looking at the totality of the evidence, not a single studies. And there are many questions that there is only low-quality evidence on at this point. But for some questions, there are enough good quality studies supporting each other's conclusions, that we can have enough confidence in their claims to use them as the basis of health choices. For a variety of reasons, scientific papers can come to false conclusions, but that does not imply scientific studies are useless or that there is no way to evaluate the extent to which their conclusions should be relied upon.
@WorldOfARandomVegan
11 ай бұрын
@@Sweeney-nn2hyAnd the 50 year smoker in amazing health? There are outliers. One thing to consider is common sense. We're not obligate carnivores, so the idea that a carnivore diet would be optimal for humans makes no sense. A neighbor's boyfriend dropped dead of a heart attack yesterday. Sadly with these LDL deniers, they die suddenly and everyone else is left to deal with the aftermath.
@northerncoloradotransparen1454
11 ай бұрын
Dude is not the sharpest pencil. Due to the fact that for 80 years it has been proven science. I do not get how people can not see the truth?
@Vunderbread
11 ай бұрын
Oh it’s easy. Some areas of science have been heavily corrupted by politics, special interests, etc. And so your average Joe might know just enough (or maybe just suspect) that if the “experts” are wrong, or lying, in one field, they’re probably lying in others. And so they venture out onto the internet looking for alternative voices. I just wish they went a little bit further and taught themselves how to read scientific studies, and to read a lot of them, so they can at least not be so easily manipulated by snakeoil salesmen or wild shirtless chiropractor “doctors” living in Costa Rica.
@julienfroidevaux1143
11 ай бұрын
Delusional thinking.
@itsmedante.5325
10 ай бұрын
I do not get how you vegans can't see the truth and see past Mic's awful excuses for evidence.
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