"Is This Tank Engine Worth £139?" No. No it isn't...
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Nope, that's my answer too! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@TheGarageRailway
4 жыл бұрын
Just seen this being sold new, by Model Railways Direct, at £84.80. One left in stock ! (Not affiliated, just saw it by chance after watching this video). Cheers
@nathanchan4653
4 жыл бұрын
Depends on the person and their amount of profit to afford it
@nickl3184
4 жыл бұрын
I would want it it’s a T H I C C Jinty
@SeatedViper
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGarageRailway It "might" represent fair value at that price.
@theretrocrowe
4 жыл бұрын
I just ordered my Hornby 2P! I'm excited to get it! I chose the BR Black because it looks very smart
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ooh amazing - hope you enjoy that mate! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@o-tuathail
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed it does.
@delboytrotter8806
4 жыл бұрын
Toby......!
@maverick9473
3 жыл бұрын
How much was it?
@Рихард-н8ф
4 жыл бұрын
Im so happy that your video design didnt change. Best KZitemr and i love your videos
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much mate, that's very kind of you! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@ronanaballerino9794
4 жыл бұрын
I really like Sam Nice chill chap, sweet fellow Also love your collection man! Keep up the good locomotive model reviews!
@mitchellhogg4627
4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention what's got to be one of the most child friendly comment sections on KZitem
@ronanaballerino9794
4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellhogg4627 lol people like me keep youtube comment section from being banned
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha thanks so much guys!! That's the best part of answering every comment - I can catch any swearing - though it's VERY rare that I see any - just lovely people! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@delboytrotter8806
4 жыл бұрын
Like Sam hate trains!!!!!!!
@iceeblueburst03
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for a long time for you to review this loco and finally you did. Looks like the wait is worth it after all! :P
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh fantastic - hope you enjoy it mate! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@rynodynomyte2755
4 жыл бұрын
Amazing model Sam! Lucky to have 3 survivors! Sadly one of them won’t be restored since it’s being displayed as a reminder of all the work needed to restore engines and to provide spares for the new build 47xx and 38xx!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Ryno - fingers crossed for one day!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Brinkly1000
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think this is a bad model at all. I wouldn’t pay £139 for it, but £99 is acceptable. Granted, I payed £65 when it was on sale at my local shop! But in comparison with models from 1980s/1990s, most of which were rubbish, this is still leagues ahead. Dimensionally, the model is accurate to the prototype. It definitely could be a bit heavier, but for most people’s layouts it’s probably gutsy enough. I added some extra lead in mine (inside the tanks and bunker) which really improved haulage capacity. Keep the videos coming, Sam.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
No not bad, certainly not, but I do think it should have been better for what it cost! Yes of course, much better than most models from the 80s/90s, but this was made in the 2010s!! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@BritishRail60062
4 жыл бұрын
I paid about the same for my Mehano Bombardier Blue Tiger in the HVLE red livery. Great model with lights and 21 DCC connection.. I have a video of it coming for August as I have already done the review and its a cracking model. Its a solid runner and just as strong as the Hornby Class 60. I have another one but the review will not be live until November because August and November are my favourite months and I am saving the best model trains for those months in particular. I have just recently reviewed the Roco BR193 in the Railpool livery and if modern European trains interest you Sam. I would highly recommend trying out the model and there is plenty of liveries available. All the best Ash.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Ash - they're good then?! I'll have to check it out! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@BritishRail60062
4 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, They are cracking models mate. I got mine from a German store named as Modellbahnshop-Lippe and they are based in Munchen I think. There are new ones on eBay if they have already sold out on their website. There are sound versions available as well if you wanted to go for extra features because the sound version has a working flashing beacon. The sounds are the GE 7FDL12 as those locomotives use the same power unit as the Dash 8. The next step for me is to get a set of Piko "Wascosa" tank cars because sometimes they are used with the Blue Tigers on the Rubelandbahn. At 50 Euros each, those wagons are not the cheapest but they are from the Piko "Expert" range and they are better detailed than the wagons from Revolution Trains and they won't fall to bits either. All the best Ash.
@gc7820
4 жыл бұрын
Either Rails or Hatton had a sale on these and the 72xx about 18months a go all sub £100 and I got enough to model each variation (straight frame, curved frame, inside steam pipes, outside steam pipes etc) so I was happy with that. This model was the tail end of the ‘design clever’ phase which made awesome railroad models which you could tart up with extra painting, transfers and weathering (got a few halls, both types of county, midland compound, patriot, warship, deltic, crosti and regular 9f) but slightly pants standard models that never justify their prices - I think you reviewed the Hall and other than the slightly (and only slightly) better livery job it was no better than the railroad hog warts livery one.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes you're right - and that's true, with a bit of work they could look good, but not really viable in terms of cost :/ Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@azroger7526
4 жыл бұрын
A comment on "the crawl": My grandfather, born about 1890, was a fireman, then engineer, for the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe railroad. When they were starting with lots of box (cargo) cars, they often had to pick them up one at a time. They way that worked is that they drove backwards into the set of box cars to get all the slack between the cars taken up. In the UK, that probably translates into having all the buffers between the cars in contact. Then they would pull as hard as they could in the forward direction - the limit being traction. (They could really chew up the track if they spun the wheels for any length of time.) They would pull the first car, add the second, and so on. You could hear the clanking running down the length of the train as each of the cars was picked up. If they got to spinning the wheels, they would have to repeat the procedure. The reason being that they hadn't pushed the slack out of the whole train the first time. This was obviously for trains that maxed out the capability of the locomotive. Money is always king and the more cargo you could haul with one locomotive, the more profitable the run.
@AQuietNight
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the bang-bang-bang-bang-bang going on for a couple of minutes.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for sharing - that's very interesting indeed! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@timbervalleyproductions
Жыл бұрын
I have a Hornby 42XX and it is one of my best runners. Very light but a good smooth runner - even if the detail is a little rubbish!
@lukeslocomotives
4 жыл бұрын
Sam I can now run engines on my railway (although the layout is probably ages away from being finished.) so I can now make my 1st video! It will just be a few of my engines running around, so I thought, as a nod to how much you inspired me over the years, I thought I would call it "My Railway", the same as you're 1st video, if that is ok with you :)
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Amazing Luke! Good luck with it - and that's a lovely gesture, thanks so much! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@b_pa55
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam great vid I’ve been watching your train set vids a lot recently to decide what to get I think I’m gonna get the dcc mixed traffic set as it great value and you seemed to really like that one
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much mate - ooh sounds great, hope you enjoy it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@sambuttle2755
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another useful and entertaining review.🙂 At first glance I almost thought this was the new large prairie. I wonder if the Hornby or the upcoming Dapol version will be best?
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
It's a pleasure Sam - yeah I wonder that too! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@GaryNumeroUno
4 жыл бұрын
I looked at the beast 72xx Sam. You are right. They look awesome with the wheel arrangement but the extended bunker tacked on the back ruins the aesthetics. If the bunker was half the size they would look better but then they would not have enough coal capacity! I guess the 72xx was the maximum limit for a tank loco. Maybe they probably were more suited to having a 2-8-0 arrangement, bunker removed then fitted with a with a small tender. Oh... hang on didn't they make one of those! Hehehe... Regards from Oz mukka. Gaz
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary - yeah they're very cool looking aren't they!? I can't imagine any tank engines being bigger than that! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@leilacentral1883
4 жыл бұрын
While i really like this locomotive and this livery is my favourite I don't think it justifies its RR price tag but for 96 pounds it's acceptable. Great and enjoyable review. Clint
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Clint, yes I think I'd agree with you there! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@rydermike33
4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Sam. The Oxford N7 certainly sets the benchmark for value, detail etc doesn't it. Great shame that Hornby didn't do better with this one. Excellent review as always.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike - yes the N7 comes to mind too - totally different, and much cheaper too! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@theretrocrowe
4 жыл бұрын
Yesterday, I drove 45 minutes to a nearby model shop only to find the opening hours on the website were wrong and it was shut :(
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
That's terrible mate - why can't they make sure their websites are accurate?!? Sorry you had a wasted trip :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@jamesgilbart148
4 жыл бұрын
Another illuminating review! Many others have probably asked you this before but have you considered raising your layout to table height? Those roof truss struts (visible in you videos) make great supports for baseboards (I speak from experience). I find the trouble with floor level layouts is discomfort and access difficulty along with my wife inadvertently kicking buildings and crunching track and rolling stock underfoot!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks James! I have thought about it, but the track seems to suit my purpose really - my enjoyment has always been in the locos and rolling stock anyway! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@iceeblueburst03
4 жыл бұрын
Amazing review on the 52xx locomotive by Hornby! Like I said before, this locomotive looks similar to the 72xx locomotive by Hornby, except the differences are the size and the wheel configuration. A 2-8-0 and a 2-8-2 wheel configuration for a Tank Engine is really unusual in my opinion since I’ve never seen a wheel configuration like that before. As far as the model goes, it’s a shamed that this locomotive didn’t meet the higher standards of what modern locomotives have, for the price of £139, that’s a hell of a lot of money for a loco that’s pretty basic in detail along with it being light even though it’s a large tank engine. Now that I think of it, your Hornby 72xx locomotive has the same problem too. The 52xx and 72xx have a lot of things in common to each other. It would’ve been nice if these 2 locomotives had better weight, more detail, and better quality, that would definitely reflect on the £139 that you’ll get from these 2 locomotives! But anyways, nice review on the 52xx locomotive by Hornby! 😃👍
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much mate - yes definitely very similar to the 72xx, with a lot of the same problems too! Thanks for sharing mate, Sam :)
@lordalexander8005
4 жыл бұрын
I understand what you mean by the moulded detail, as the first thing I thought of was the Tango locomotive that you unboxed a while ago XD P.s. I recently(ish) acquired a few Hornby Dublo wagons and a brake van and then realised that I have no compatable coupling locomotives to run them with... Do you think that I should keep them as siding pieces, save up and get a Dublo locomotive or 'bite the bullet' and change the couplings to the modern Hornby couplings? P.P.s You make very thorough review videos and I really hope that you keep them going for as long as possible, keep up the great work! :D
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely - I get Tango vibes from this too actually! Ooh good question mate - it's reasonably easy to change the couplings, if you want a project and don't mind modifying them -up to you mate!! That's very kind of you! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@lordalexander8005
4 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains Cheers for the confidence! I think I have some earlier wagons though as they are riveted to cast bases :/ Thankfully I have the appropriate tools to do the necessary modifications. Also, if you ever need a painter to re-paint a loco or wagons, feel free to shout me out in a video intro or ending title and I will hopefully see it :) It is nice to have a proper locomotive on a layout, but I find it gratifying to have a loco or piece of rolling-stock to remind you of something nice from your past to make you smile as you watch a train cascade by on it's merry way... And again, please keep up the great work! :)
@vincentmorris8431
4 жыл бұрын
Still hoping for a largest/longest tank running session. 😉 (Odd one out's the 2-6-4 tank at 24:35)
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I could do that actually - good one! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@gcmet1063
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see this as I got the new 61xx last month and have to report that Hornby have not improved on the 52xx . It only weighs 230 grams, the old model was 310 grams , the first one had to go back because it was stopping on points , slowing on curves and had a noisy motor and the front bogie came off because the screw was so tiny . The second ran better but arrived with the whistles at a 45 degree angle which I managed to bend back , the front bogie came off again and just like the 52xx there is very little metal and the plastic detail is very flimsy particularly the steps are exactly the same as the 52xx . Hornby magazine gave the loco a glowing review including saying the weight was 280 grams which is untrue. I have three more Hornby locos on order this year and if the quality is the same as the 61xx then that’s me finished with them .
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh that's very disappointing to hear - given the price, that's not good at all! I notice the new large Prairies haven't been promoted much by Hornby on their social media etc - I wonder if this could be why?! Oh dear! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@jamesscobie6374
4 жыл бұрын
Ok Sam , just thought I would point it out. I’m not sure if you know the history of this Hornby model. It was released during their design clever period and I have one of the first batch which came with a moulded smoke box dart. Hornby received a lot of criticism for this and change it to a separate fitting from year 2 which made a big difference
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks James - yeah I knew this was a design-clever loco - I didn't realise they'd tried to update them though, not much to show for it ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@jamesm6638
4 жыл бұрын
Before watching your videos I never really had an interest in British locos but I've been gaining a new appreciation for them since I've subscribed. Great review as always!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome James, thanks so much for subscribing - hope you enjoy the channel - welcome! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@iceeblueburst03
4 жыл бұрын
This locomotive looks similar to the 72xx, except it’s larger and it has a 2-8-2 wheel configuration (one of the strangest wheel configurations on a tank engine) whereas the 52xx has a 2-8-0 wheel configuration. Seeing strange and unusual wheel configurations always interests me because I never seen anything like this before! 😀
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah absolutely - I think it shares much of the same molding! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@alantoms3263
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. The 52xx is one of my 'more-favourite' locomotives in my collection. General observations are spot on. I think mine was purchased for £75 new on Ebay ... The loco's great. I think mine's smoother. I wouldn't go above £90-100 so would be one I would look out for, never purchasing straight from the shop / online at list, but definitely a nice looking and performing locomotive. Al.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that Alan - and the price you paid was far more reasonable - a good buy for £75 I'd say! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@alantoms3263
4 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains Thanks Sam. It was 2 years ago. 'NEW' as well - no reason to doubt. Must admit I reluctantly agree with your comments - not quite 'top grade' - very good for Railroad quality 'though. Just an observation, that motor looks identical in size to the Castle / King ones I think, but if you notice it has a grey end cap. I notice these are lower revving (possibly higher voltage?) motors than those of the much higher performing Castle / King locos. Al.
@skylershummingbird1667
4 жыл бұрын
For me, this locomotive reminds me of the newer Bachmann (American) steam locomotives. The Spectrum line steam locomotives used to have alot of separate parts and even though the price was a big more, the detail level made it okay. Recently, with examples such as the 4-6-0 & 2-8-0, they've changed to molding alot of the piping. You'd think this would decrease the price but the prices have continued to climb and it really is a shame to see this more and more in the hobby.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it is a bit like that isn't it - though I'd say Spectrum's mechanisms are much worse than this, with their detail being a bit better! Fully agreed on the prices though! D: Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@BowmakerFox
4 жыл бұрын
I bought one of these for about £80 second hand (No damage) a few years ago. At the time I could have sworn it wasn't £140 brand new. It's either appreciated or I was mistaken. I love the loco, looks great alongside the 72xx but I definitely wouldn't pay £140 for it...
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it seems the prices have gone up on this one - not sure what they were on initial release! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@SimplyTakuma
4 жыл бұрын
19:08 My toughts: Sam: "Who does this model suit?" Hornby: " For Serious Beginner Modelers...." Sam: "...........Really?" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@filipthetrainguy4723
4 жыл бұрын
XD
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha I know right, lol! ;D
@thomasroff9084
4 жыл бұрын
I got one a few years back. I'm not going to lie, appearance wise it looked like a out of place toy, when it ran it spent longer off than on the tracks. It looked great when marketed but was a let down. A great video Sam. Can I make a recommendation, I notice Antics are selling Andrew Barclay 0-6-0 be great to see
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that Thomas - can't say I disagree with you either! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@rogersea6529
4 жыл бұрын
In general for new models, from now on I would be looking for 3 things 1. all driving wheel pickups 2. flywheel 3. 5-pole motor at least this has those
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes all very reasonable Roger - me too! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@theretrocrowe
4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever gone on the train journey from St Erth to St Ives? It is the most scenic journey I have ever been on! Check out the video I uploaded if you want to see part of the journey!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think I have - but thanks a lot for letting me know, I'd absolutely love that!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@masterofsouthern5427
4 жыл бұрын
Personally I would pay 80-90 pound for it but not in BR black as an opinion at least it has more value then Heljan GWR Class 1361 Great video Sam 👌
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes that's true - it's much better value than the 1361, but then again... most things are! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@phil36310
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, I like these 'tank engines'. (What about the new 'Large Prairie' ?) Regarding the slow speed: what will it do on DCC ? Speed curve CV's can be adjusted and make the difference. But I doubt if it's a 5 pole motor - how can one know? It strikes me that Hornby and Bachmann rarely give info on the 'Technical sheet' about the type of power... so one can guess. Compare this to other EU manufacturers! Price wise: yes, you're right ! Ex. The J15 is now on offer for 71£ and it's a very good & lovely engine. Nice review as always. Thanks for sharing. Greetings.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Filip - i'll have to try the new large prairie! I do think this uses a 5 pole (others have confirmed), but it is strange that Hornby's webpage for the model doesn't specify! :/ Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@theretrocrowe
4 жыл бұрын
It would've been Stoke model railway exhibition next week. I was planning to go. Shame it got cancelled due to Covid :(
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh that is a shame - fingers crossed for next year! :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@morganstjames6712
4 жыл бұрын
Hello Sam I'm a GWR Fan myself, My favorites are The hall class, the king class, the castle class, and the 14xx.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh fantastic choices there Morgan - I love those too! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@jeancote1498
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t own or collect model trains, scale model airplanes are more my thing, but after finding your channel by accident I’m now addicted to it. The danger now is that I’m going to be lured to the hobby. For the sake of my poor wallet I hope that doesn’t happen 😄.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ooh fantastic - fingers crossed you get hooked on railways too!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@JonatanGronoset
4 жыл бұрын
Sam, how about adding weights inside the tanks and free space of the boiler to give it more pulling power? That should surely do it.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes that would help - though there's actually not very much space in there!! :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@TATICMOOR
3 жыл бұрын
Yes agreed Sam for the money it isn't good unless for about £75 then I'd get one myself. With weathering I think would make this model look a lot better aesthetically than it is. Maybe even buy white metal or brass upgrade kits for a mod project. I'm not sure if you would attempt that kind of thing. I am impressed though with the 72xx pulling the 22 Ocean + brake + Bullman wagons. Oh yeah, the GWR Pannier in the usual siding must be the odd one out. By the way, will you ever get around to adding loads of Coal, Ore, Steel, Pipes and Wood to your wagons?
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, yes a bit of weathering would do wonders for this one! Maybe some day - that would look good! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Tombola1993
4 жыл бұрын
This certainly is a unique loco, with its 2-8-0 wheel configuration. Quite a lot of drive wheels for a tank engine. Hell, I’ve seen Germany tank engines have a 0-10-0 wheel configuration. But there was also another tank engine, and a long lost one at that, called the Decapod locomotive, which was an experimental loco prior to being updated. You ever heard of the Decapod?
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tomas - yeah they really are unique aren't they?! :D Blimey, I'd love to see one of those! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Tombola1993
4 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains There are even German Tank engines with a 2-10-2 wheel arrangement, but their driving wheels are smaller and their pony trucks are tiny to fit the loading gauge and for a more economical and versatile design.
@TheNightmareRider
4 жыл бұрын
I wholly agree. This is the kind of loco I'd think about buying if it were a lower price. As I've said plenty of times before, I'm less concerned about small details than I am performance, but when you have such a steep price point for an average tank engine? That's just too much, if you ask me.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely - such a great opportunity for Hornby to produce an inexpensive model... but missed :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@kellyashfordtrains2642
4 жыл бұрын
As for the scoring part, good question. I think my answer would be 0 out of 5. GRRRR! How can you be so expensive as to not impress Sam very much? Detail-wise, I mean. For the cost of £139, the model has to meet these expectations: 1. Exquisitely fine details 2. Excellent performance including slow crawl 3. Nothing so fragile it would snap off in one's hands 4. Be so stunning, it blows us away The model you have only met expectation no. 3. I'll bet you've wound up screaming in anger at a steamy worse than this. I have a feeling that, when a certain stream comes along, you'll be screaming in terror like a girl. Beware of the Ghost Train.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes agreed Kelly - all this is true! I certainly won't be giving it 0 out of 5! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@jimross623
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, It’s reasonable for about £90, but that’s £50 less than they’re asking for. I don’t think many people will be rushing out to buy one. However there is some good news for you. For years now you have been complaining about your Dapol Milk Tankers constantly derailing. Well now Hornby have just released 6-wheel St. Ivel Milk Tankers, and they’re very inexpensive, so you could afford a large-ish rake of them. £13.50 each at Rails and Hattons. So £81 for a rake of 6, which you could review, compare & contrast (sounds like Uni!) with the Dapol Milk Tankers. Jim
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree Jim - I can just about recommend for £90! And thanks for letting me know - that's not bad at all! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@robmasterman
4 жыл бұрын
As a WR person Sam, I'm so glad you've reviewed this loco, as unfortunately, it once again represents the unacceptable quality of the Hornby locos, currently being produced....There is no way that with all the issues you've highlighted that it's worth anywhere like the RRP....Bob
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Bob - yeah its gutting isn't it?? :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@danielwalker2613
2 жыл бұрын
I always thought that British Railways steam locos had a five digit running number - not four, unless the ex GWR kept their original numbers in BR service ?
@RobA500
4 жыл бұрын
According to Hornby’s catalogue it does have a 5 pole motor but detail wise it’s not up to today’s standards. Not a bad looking model by any means but could be a lot cheaper now. It has to be said that plain BR black livery also makes things look more basic than they are so to make a model look really good in that livery everything else needs to be maxed out in finesse.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Rob - I had expected that! Yeah agreed - no reason for that price at all! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@irishengine9166
4 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of studio scale models? They basically do the trains the big names don't, like the great northern V class, Merlin! Think it would be cool for you to own an Irish steam locomotive.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think I have, but that sounds epic - I'll have to look it up! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@McMalarky
4 жыл бұрын
fan fact: the j50 is how the the Rev. W Awdry made Thomas look but now Thomas is a e2 class tank
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes you're absolutely right!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@FavouredPrince
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a lot of these class engines in scrapyards 😢😢😢😢
@nataroonytrontime3976
4 жыл бұрын
Woah on your profile you have my Nick name that's weird
@FavouredPrince
4 жыл бұрын
Lol maybe that nickname is common
@nataroonytrontime3976
4 жыл бұрын
@49a 894 what do you mean?
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes I've seen lots of photos of those too - a real shame :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@SimonLivertonCentral
4 жыл бұрын
I have missed your reviews Sam, I did like this review. Since I returned to the hobby I got all my stock out of storage and found lots of parts had fallen off my Hornby locomotives, will have to get the glue out again. The money organisations are charging for items these day you would think you would get quality items...Simon
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Bless you Simon! Ahh sorry to hear about that - good luck my friend - I know all too well what that's like! Agreed - for the money, a bit more quality wouldn't be unreasonable! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@shadowmaster8684
4 жыл бұрын
Those side rods are so satisfying to watch
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I agree - they do look fantastic!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@foxhillrailway2252
4 жыл бұрын
i liked that one Sam... slow speed not really important to me... but a bit plain livery wise... 139 squid... na.!! really chuffed that "Circle" is above this one... great honest review Sir
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate - yes that's true, it's a shame they didn't do some of the nicer liveries! haha I know right - thanks mate! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@lnerfan4468
4 жыл бұрын
One of my mates got this model for £80 which is a massive discount for the model I think this model should have been put into the railroad range for how basic it is and how many moulded details there are
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes £80 is much more like it - I'd highly recommend it for that! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Sideways101100
4 жыл бұрын
the only time I'd probably get a loco like this would be if she was second hand or something. Oh well, she's still better than the Helijan 1361, so she's automatically in my good books, right at the bottom of my good books bare in mind but regardless. Great video as always Sam
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah the second hand market would be a good way to go with these - not sure what a typical price would be there! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@lukeslocomotives
4 жыл бұрын
What is it with hornby putting their gwr 'big tanks' (4200, 5205 & 7200) at such a stupid high price?
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I know - they're all like it! :(
@nathanchan4653
4 жыл бұрын
Hornby 52XX, slightly underpowered Hornby 72XX, slightly powerful Suggestion: Try a Tug-of-war video with the Hornby 52XX and the 72XX
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha great idea Nathan!! ;D
@70053morayfirth
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with every word of your review. And yet ... when you see it running, with those long coupling rods turning, it looks so good!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I agree John - when running, it does look superb! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@twonkfieldrailways4110
4 жыл бұрын
I helped overhaul one of these at the east Somerset railway, it was for the painton and Dartmouth railway so it was done up in lined great western green which is totally inaccurate but beautiful, I wish Hornby did it in that livery it would look amazing. although I have a Hornby railroad hall which has about the same level of detail as this so I'm not sure its really worth it, but that train it was hauling was spot on for these locos in BR days and it was amazing to see the 72 with so many wagons.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Very cool mate! Yes the lined green would be amazing - it's a shame Hornby didn't do that, agreed :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@thegreatwesterner9481
4 жыл бұрын
The 5205 class is more powerful then the great Western castle class and same amount of power as the lord Nelson class
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Blimey - that just shows how insanely powerful these are! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@stormus65
4 жыл бұрын
The thing is that while there are people prepared to pay the full list price, manufacturers will continue to push out models at high prices n it's down t us modellers t hunt out the bargains. I myself prefer to either kitbuild my rolling stock or buy older stuff and detail it myself,, same with my locos
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes that's true - hopefully if we vote with our wallets, the manufacturers will have to reconsider their strategies! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@idrisdixon6998
4 жыл бұрын
As these engine are made in China, Hornby must negotiate with the manufacture the best price, on this occation they seemed to have failed, perhaps the worker had another 10% rise. But I totally agree, the price is very high and looks more like the Railroad brand....Has usual I love your reviews on these products, keep up the good work and keep on shutting!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Idris - it would be interesting to learn how they arrive at the price for each model - the pricing, quality and detail seems to vary vastly yet independently! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@samszeto7303
4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever built or considered building a loco kit? Certainly wouldn't be able to complain about any plastic then. You should build a DJH kit, they seem to be good quality.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I never have Sam - I'd love to try one though! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@DB-eh4yk
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve got the hornby 42xx which is a really nice model IMO. Strange how what should be a very similar model is not as good!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh are those better then? Maybe I should try one too! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Mildcat743
4 жыл бұрын
These are one thing that I've always missed in being a US railfan, large tank engines. We barely get tank engines that are larger than 0-6-0s.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh sorry to hear that - I wonder why that was?! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@BritanniaPacific
4 жыл бұрын
This should be classified as a railroad range model. The 7200 should have gone back to the drawing board and rereleased as such too.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree - I'd like to see that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@theretrocrowe
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry I haven't been commenting lately! My WiFi was down and I couldn't watch any videos since the TGV review
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh sorry to hear that mate - hope all is okay with you! :) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@mariselojeda0810
4 жыл бұрын
I just thought of this, why do we never see tank engines or small tender engines pull coaches backwards or being a middle engine?, also why don't you buy/make sheds for the engines at the turntable?
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
That's true - maybe I should do that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@jpsholland
4 жыл бұрын
With 218 grams, he is very light. If i compare it to the Marklin Deutsche Reichsbahn baureihe (class) 80, which is pure HO, so smaller in scale, and is a 0-6-0 light shunter. So the German class 80 is about half the size of a class 52xx, yet it weight 265 grams. I expected this one in the range of 300 to 325 grams. For the rest, yes that price, leave it on the shelf.....
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Blimey yeah - that really shows how light these are!! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@alancarpenter2070
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, all items between loco mainframes including the inside of the frames, should be painted red. All bare metal steam fittings including the whistles should be brass, not copper as you said. Just for your information, of course. I don't think it is worth £139:00 though. Regards, Alan.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Duly noted Alan, many thanks for letting me know! It's a shame those extra details weren't there for all the extra money :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@gearedloop3195
4 жыл бұрын
i know that this is a bit unrelated, but i managed to pull through with the prairie project. As always though, this is a great video. Fun fact: i almost mistaken the thumbnail 52xx for another prairie at first glance. Edit: Joke: if the hornby's 61xx is a prairie than that 52xx is a tumbleweed!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh well done mate!! Yes it does look like the prairie doesn't it?! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@craigthelej
4 жыл бұрын
Hatton's/Rails of Sheffield definitely have the best value. It's a railroad model with a better mechanism £99 is really good for that
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely - for £99 it's definitely a bit better! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@penjunction
4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a all the model shops series where you go to most if not all model shops in the uk over a year or so then rate them from best to worst
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha that'd be awesome, great idea! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@kellyashfordtrains2642
4 жыл бұрын
The odd one out (couldn't see it properly till near the very end) is the Ivatt Tank Engine. The 2-8-0 Tank Engine, well apart from the fact that one survives on the West Somerset Railway named Goliath, isn't worth £139 at all. Only very special Limited Edition model engines are worth this amount, like a certain beloved steamy daughter of mine of which we both have. Only we bought her for £149; I bought her first, you must have done so a bit after me. Unless you bought her before me, that is. I can't believe you couldn't solve my peasy-as-pie riddle. The answer was City of Truro. Riddles aside, I think the Large Prairie Tank Engine is a better performer than the 52xx. Correct me if you think I'm wrong.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Well spotted Kelly! Yes I'd agree with you there - yes I'm sure I can imagine what you mean... ahh yes I was right! The month of her reckoning is soon to be upon us - what's your prediction for my score? What score would be low enough to make you cross? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Taggart00
4 жыл бұрын
I think you should do a review of the City of Truro and put it out at the same time as Sam does his.
@kellyashfordtrains2642
4 жыл бұрын
@@Taggart00 If I did that, I wouldn't be happy with myself for it, but true, I haven't reviewed any of my model tender engines yet. However, if that's what you'd like to see, I'll oblige in September, using two different cameras. I'll use my laptop for the up close and personal part, and my digital camera to show her running on the Cat Valley Steam Railway in my bedroom. Please note my laptop is in the living quarters of my home. I suppose Sam would like to see it himself, but let him get his review out of the way first. Mine will come one month after Sam's review.
@Drewioawesome
4 жыл бұрын
Yay, What A Nice Tank Engine! Thanks Sam!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
No problem mate - glad you liked it!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@therwsmodeller6498
4 жыл бұрын
Ur the best youtuber ever keep up good work
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Jayden, I'll do my best! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@liamcalder5063
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. The loco is just ok that's all that you can really say about it. for 139 pounds RRP it is far too expensive for that level of detail. Thanks Liam
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I'd agree with that Liam - thanks for sharing! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@lapiswake6583
4 жыл бұрын
I've got this exact model, and the GWR shirtbutton 42xx as well. I love them, they crawl really well on DCC, but they are nowhere near powerful enough for an 8F. My 42xx however did come with a badly fitted dcc blanking plug so the body wouldn't come off, and it wouldn't run until I refitted the plug. I need a 72xx to complete the trio of GWR 8f tanks...
@bentullett6068
4 жыл бұрын
Does it look better in GWR livery? I think they look better in green rather than the black and I guess the BR black let the model down in this review.
@lapiswake6583
4 жыл бұрын
Shirtbutton green is a bit bland, but I do think it looks a bit better than BR black. It would look so much better in a lined livery, like the DSR's Hercules and Goliath.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for sharing! I can imagine these looking much better in more complex liveries - it's a shame Hornby didn't do more of that :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@dekhrahahoon
4 жыл бұрын
I have this loco in GWR green. WARNING: on the box it says minimum radius 438mm. IT MEANS IT! The very first bit of track I laid included a Peco settrack curved point, which has a "notional" radius of 438mm. What that means is that there is one spot with a small dogleg. Once it is fixed down immovably on a baseboard, with a curve leading to the point, that dogleg jams the 52xx! Luckily this was the first bit of track and the 52xx was the first loco I bought for the new layout, so I bent the rail outwards at the two-sleeper lead-in to the point blades by 3 degrees, thus transferring the dogleg from the inside of the sharp inner curve to the outside of the sharp outer curve, thus making it counteract the outer curve rather than add to the inner curve. I then had to replan the alignment of the pointwork, but after that the lot works beautifully. Advice to readers: Always obey standards. Most larger locos specify "438mm" as their minimum radius. Stick to it. Don't try a loco or two and accept anything less. Don't accept 437. Don't accept "notional" radius instead of actual radius. Check anything that is close to a minimum or maximum by actually measuring, and if it fails by even a tiny amount, fix it. That is the only way to get reliability in any endeavour, not just model railways.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ahh really?? That's very interesting - sorry to hear about that! Is it the pony truck that causes the problem?? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@dekhrahahoon
4 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains No it's the eight drivers. I also had to fit power pickups and central springing to the pony truck a la the real thing, because if a dead spot (e.g. insulfrog point) is on a high point (only by an invisible amount) it can lift all drivers on one side off the rails and cut the power at low speeds. This is because the loco has no sprung driving axles, a serious mistake imho on a tank engine without extra tender pickups. I considered springing the rearmost driving axle, which looks practical, but I worked out how to spring and power the pony truck with virtually no hard mods, the whole lot can be removed leaving virtually no trace it was ever there. The end result does run magnificently though. Love your channel, BTW.
@tainuns4525
4 жыл бұрын
I wish Oxford rail made one because it would be cheaper, have die cast and probably have a better crawl and pull more. Still like the look of the Hornby one though 🙂
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
That's true actually - it's about time Oxford did something GWR! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@sturmtigerking4263
4 жыл бұрын
Really? Wow not worth £139 no sprung buffers. Great review. I want a large tank engine too but they are always so expensive I only have a P2, Mallard, a rebuilt patriot and a few old broken locos that are missing parts. I really am looking for another steam loco Now that's an insult, underneath Ernie 😬
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I agree - the lack of sprung buffers just demonstrates what type of model this is, and I know right, lol! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Crewecabking
4 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing that some models are so expensive in OO gauge and they don’t have any special features I got a model that was £150 and nothing special about it it didn’t even have decent detail
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree - for the price, I was expecting much more! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Crewecabking
4 жыл бұрын
Sam'sTrains and thank you for making these interesting videos 😁
@nathantaylor4217
4 жыл бұрын
Looks at price to detail ratio: Now you know what American Bachmann H0 feels like, but its a smaller scale, and we still dont get proper bearings.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha yeah - that is totally unacceptable for the prices you guys pay - a shame :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@bobobo4gaming
4 жыл бұрын
With my experience with this model a few added weights in the coal bunker and in smoke box does help the running performance and pulling power
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yes I can definitely see that being true!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@TomPrickVixen
4 жыл бұрын
Same here; I cant think of any 2-8-0 tank engine in EU at all, just tender engines, (at least on normal gauge). Though i would love to see a 0-8-2 tank engine maybe an Ivatt R1 or L1! It seem that the retailers has the"common sense" again when it comes to prices, but they do see better what people willing to pay for something of a value! BTW did u get a new Hornby "Large Prairie" ? I saw Dapol is releasing it too!
@TomPrickVixen
4 жыл бұрын
I also can't name any EU manufacturer that uses a 3 pole motor in a (equivalent) 100£ + model, !
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Ooh that would be interesting - I'd be up for an 0-8-2 for sure! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@lachd2261
4 жыл бұрын
For the same RRP you could by the Hornby LMS Fowler 4P, which has some diecast on it.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Hornby one does - but the Bachmann certainly does!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Dan-jf3pc
4 жыл бұрын
While I agree the price is steep, though if someone is modelling GWR south wales mineral traffic and wanting something a bit different from the 56xx tanks, I got my 72xx in GWR Green though I did grab it second hand and had been well maintained and I didnt pay through the nose for it.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah of course - but even so - for those needing a loco like this, it's a shame Hornby couldn't have produced something better for that price! :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Mr_Smidge
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam I have a question for you, u know your train graveyard? Well u can use the locomotives and rolling stock to make a scrapyard on your model railway
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Great idea Derpy - that would be fun to do!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@prideoftheline2009
4 жыл бұрын
I think there's a K4 (or K2 idk) engine which is the same class as Edward. I think we should have a pannier tank VS Duck or the K2/K4 against Edward.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah K2 I think - that's it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@aunulimansfield3277
4 жыл бұрын
The biggest barrier to entry in this hobby is cost. This loco could have been a great choice to break the trend but it's just too expensive to do that for what it is.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I agree - it's a shame about that! Getting what you pay for is fine.... but that isn't the case with this :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@DeathInTheSnow
4 жыл бұрын
Sam, are there any Asian model train manufacturers that you could invest in? India, China, Indonesia or Japan etc. may have their own ranges that could be interesting to review (although I appreciate that N scale is more common in some parts).
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I'd be very interested to try some - are there any good ones?! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@highbrookendmodelrailway
4 жыл бұрын
Most I would pay would be £50-£60, far too basic and low detail on the loco. The mechanism, even though it has the 5-pole motor, bearings and a flywheel, is also kind of poor, I have seen 0-4-0's crawl better than this! I think Hornby should price their locomotives based on how complicated the connecting rods and valve gear is - for £139 RRP model, the rods look too simple on this model. Maybe the more rods, the more expensive? I do think more coupling rods and valve gear do look more impressive. Odd one out - 57xx (I think) Pannier Tank Engine? Isn't it the only one with Pannier Water Tanks? Also, just got my Hornby 14xx from eBay today, payed £20 for it. The detail is spot on, and the mechanism is beautiful. The Type 7 motor starts turning at around 0.75 volts on my controller! The gearing makes it run very slowly and realistically. An absolute bargain!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha I would love that, for sure!! Oh wow - £20 for a 14xx is very good indeed! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Supercreaturee
4 жыл бұрын
No matter what you rate it, it will always be better than the tango
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha yes I think that's fair to say! ;D
@joelightrailway2362
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review of the 52XX Class from Hornby Sam 👍👍 I do like this model, but it doesn’t excuse it self by its lightweight & plastic details. I would put this model at £100 in my opinion.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Joe - yeah I agree, I was disappointed too :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@AQuietNight
4 жыл бұрын
Hornby probably has a dart board with Sam's picture on it in the design room.
@jpsholland
4 жыл бұрын
And a minigun instead of darts........ ( in mean, when they trow darts equally off as their prices, they probably dont hit the board at all...)
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha I bet they do!! I'd hope they'd spend their time on improvements, rather than on 'darting' the messenger though ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@lukeslocomotives
4 жыл бұрын
The loco is £100 the oil on the wheels is worth £39
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
haha!! ;D
@arbiterofmtringo2345
4 жыл бұрын
ooh i didnt know that it was classed as an 8F! Big numbers for a little loco! The mechanism catagory is a nice addition!
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
I know right - it's fairly impressive isn't it?!? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@dafyddthomas7299
4 жыл бұрын
Another great video - agree this is way over priced for what it is - £79.99 would seem to me the most you should charge for model like this
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate, yeah agreed - £79.99 would be WAY more like it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@robguitarwizard
4 жыл бұрын
Enjoying your videos Sam. Been watching only for a couple of weeks. Hornby should be taking notice of your detailed reviews, and reconsidering their RRPs on certain products. Hope you are keeping well. Cheers Rob Adelaide South Australia
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Rob! No doubt Hornby have their reasons for such prices from a manufacturer's point of view.... but certainly from a customer's point of view like you and I, they don't make much sense!! Cheers mate, Sam :)
@garagewindowrailway
4 жыл бұрын
This 52xx loco is the same rrp as the new hornby 61xx. I have only seen a version of that loco running online, with none of the detailed review you carry out.. But, it appears to have better detail, Including sprung buffers. If I had £139, and 1 choice of tank engine it would be the 61xx not this 52xx. But I think I will wait for you to review the new 61xx / 41xx before ordering.
@SamsTrains
4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear that Simon, thanks for sharing! I'll have to try one some time! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@garagewindowrailway
2 жыл бұрын
After the dreadful new hornby 61xx / 51xx 2-6-2t you teviewed, I have bought this loc9 new for £129.. and the Dapol 2-6-2t 51xx which was cheaper and much nicer than the hornby dog.. currently waiting for the Dapol manors... and another excellent Sam's trains review.
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