Hello Alex, I'm from Taiwan. Early 2019, I built my own table saw as well as a cross-cut sled. I routed 2 x parallel grooves on both sides of the saw blade to accommodate T-Tracks for cross-cut sled and another 2 x parallel grooves + 2 x T-Tracks for sliding fence. The 188x103cm table top was laminated with heavy-duty polymer veneer. In order to enjoy a full 55mm (2.16") cutting depth from a 195mm (7.67") blade, the MAKITA 3501NT "Groove Cutter" with high-torque gear box was sunk 29mm deep into a 36mm thick MDF table top. The saw was secured with 2 x 40cm stainless steel bar from the table top and fixed with epoxy putty then covered up with plastic veneer. A Jessem router lift was also attached to the longer end of the table which share the 2 x T-Track lenghtwise as the table saw. There are 8 draws underneath and the 92 kgs table top sits on top of the blue-coated 3mm thick angled steel frame and the frame sits on 4 oversized castors. It served me well in the past 20 months but I still wish I had a sliding table saw sitting on the other side of shop. I will definitely buy one once I move to a larger workshop. Love your videos as always and looking forward to see your next project build video! Robust Chen
@ArtHeld
4 жыл бұрын
I really like your editing style. Jump-cutting the video while keeping the audio flowing is amazing!
@prettynitty0131
Жыл бұрын
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice kzitem.infoUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
@GreatistheWorld
3 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic introduction to slider saws! how I learned it as a construction worker in Texas, was it’s the best of a regular table saw 80% of the time, but flipped left to right and sometimes sideways. Shame they’re so specialized and expensive in the US! EDIT: if you’re getting a table saw for the first time, I strongly recommend you get in-person instruction first! Issues like kickback you can understand in concept, but like circular saws, there’s some non-intuitive behaviors in detail or context that’s extremely difficult to get your head around without hands-on experience
@joshhearn2877
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, seeing people cross cut against the fence gives me the creeps every time! So good to educate the newer woodworkers rather than them learning the hard way!
@J_Madison
3 жыл бұрын
Oof. That’s just asking for trouble.
@newhost1660
3 жыл бұрын
A hut
@chickenpotpie4045
2 жыл бұрын
@Slim Savage I get what you're saying, but kickback is no joke bro, your hands can't hold onto that wood if the blade grabs it. I had a little incident with my router table once where I fed it the wrong direction, because same as you, I too was a youtube taught woodworker, and I wasn't paying very close attention during class, so in practice, I made some mistakes too, and this was one of the big ones, my tiny little router table grabbed a small piece I was trying to put a rabbet on, and flung it SO hard across my shop, it dented my cupboards, I'm rather glad I followed at least one rule and wasn't standing to either side of it because that could have hurt me pretty bad. Table saws are much more powerful and have much more surface area than a router bit to grab onto that wood and sling it at you, be very careful bro. Also, list it for sale on FB marketplace, it's rife with idiots bargain hunting, so you will find someone to take it off your hands.
@richardlug6139
2 жыл бұрын
@D. Lindsay It is not if you will experience kickback sometime in the future it is when so I recommend to stop. Use a circular saw and a speed square as a straight edge for those boards that you can not crosscut.
@amargupta.8847
4 жыл бұрын
Ok. Google recommend one of your video 2 days back. And im adicted to it. I have seen almost 60% of your videos till now. I haven't looked at yiur subscribers till this video. And it really shocked me. You are the most underrated youtuber ever.... Great info. Completely fresh content. Tqsm
@frenchriversprings
4 жыл бұрын
Here in North America, we’re pretty stupid and use cabinet saws. A few of us are smart. I just bought a felder 700S with the 3 metre table. I built a fritz and Franz jig for it and I use it all the time.
@tundrawhisperer4821
3 жыл бұрын
Hello French River Springs. Yeah, can’t wait for my new K 700 S to arrive!
@jamiewalsh792
3 жыл бұрын
I live in Canada and i am a cabinet maker. And have been working in the trade fore more than 20 years now and have used or seen at least 10 or maybe more different models of sliding table saws with and without scoring blades on them awesome saws
@beebob1279
3 жыл бұрын
Your explanation of the kick back was very good. Basically, a piece of wood like that should be on a sled or the mitre square. No fence. Dad was a shop teacher and drilled that in my head. Thank you for showing your sliding table saw and explaining its use.
@ApexWoodworks
3 жыл бұрын
Alexandre, you could have mentioned the Fritz and Franz jig, which is commonly used for sawing small pieces on sliding tablesaws.
@JN-hp1cc
4 жыл бұрын
Just want to say, best explanation of kickback I have come across! Really really easy to understand, love how you drew a parallel to how draws get stuck - it made it very clear.
@devinrohan6122
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to be off topic but does anyone know a way to log back into an instagram account..? I was stupid lost the password. I would love any help you can give me!
@kennethdeandre2037
3 жыл бұрын
@Devin Rohan Instablaster :)
@larryjepeal4409
4 жыл бұрын
I live and worked as a cabinetmaker for 35 years in the US and we used 10' sliding table saws. We purchased them when we needed to make a higher quality cabinet because we needed square parts and sheets goods do not always come square. The fence on a 10' machine should always be at head of the table so you push into it, once you get use to it, it is very natural. As far as price goes if you want to build quality you have to have the right tools
@dannyh.7490
3 жыл бұрын
Not just quality,but accuracy and speed too.The scoring blade is a huge plus when cutting veneers and melamines and a panel saw is much faster and more accurate than any American type cabinet saw and even a track saw. ANy serious cabinet maker should either have a panel saw or CNC machine for cutting carcass parts which is the way many are going.
@riverbuilder2251
2 жыл бұрын
Wrong
@KevinCompuesto
3 жыл бұрын
I've spent the better part of this lockdown watching your videos! Super informative and inspirational all at once!
@davidjones2999
4 жыл бұрын
You can also rotate the parallel fence 90 degrees so that you touch the workpiece on the small edge, it's meant for being able to tilt the sawblade 45 degrees and move the fence closer without cutting into it, but I liked using the small edge when cutting narrower pieces so my hand can go over the fence when pushing which is more comfortable. I think the best thing for a slider saw is that you can straighten anything, you pick up a piece of wood or plywood or MDF that is all banged up and you just throw it on the sliding table, hold it down, run it past the blade and its perfectly straight and then just cut the other 3 edges. Also about the sawstop, it's great and I'm all for it, but I have heard horror stories of people losing fingers and never touching the blade, the industrial saws are so powerful that the kickback throws the workpiece through your hands and it takes everything in their way including your fingers, which is why it's dangerous to have a work station behind the saw when multiple people are working in the shop, if something is kicked it's gonna fly really hard. In the shop I worked at we made pretty much everything from oak and sometimes it had so much stress in the boards it would try to stall the saws without a riving knife but the saw was too powerful so if the person wouldn't shut off the saw or lift the board up past the blade, it could go flying.
@sheldons231
3 жыл бұрын
What a great table saw, never seen one like it before and I served in Germany for 4 years, and the wood shop on base had a regular North American style. Saw Stop is not the only one now, Bosch has one out that is supposed to be as good. The o ly difference is the Bosch saw doesn't destroy your blade, as a charge detonates when it detects flesh and shove the blade all the way down. The other advantage to the Bosch saw is the detonator comes with 2 charges in it so you just turn it around and you're ready to try that again. This info is from what I have read on the internet and I do not have one as they cost as much as a Sawstop, so that put it out of my reach. Just thought you'd like to know.
@youngsahm03
3 жыл бұрын
The point made @12:28 is GOLD and I hope everyone watches that who stumbles upon this video. To ALWAYS set the parallel fence BEHIND the blade when used in combination with the perpendicular sled will certainly save a lot of people from serious injury. Of course this whole video is really great, but that is a seriously important point.
@Karl_Baeron
4 жыл бұрын
Didn't know that we have international known tablesaw manufacturers here in Austria. Well, the more you know! And thank you for the great content.
@paulheitkemper1559
4 жыл бұрын
Felder equipment is VERY highly regarded in the US (among those of us who know).
@mururoa7024
4 жыл бұрын
@@paulheitkemper1559 Felder also owns Hammer (affordable for DIY and small business), Format 4 (CNC) and Mayer (automation).
@paulheitkemper1559
4 жыл бұрын
@@mururoa7024 yes. Marius Hornberger uses a Hammer, as I recall.
@danielmunch9568
4 жыл бұрын
Muru Roa format 4 is the premium brand of felder.
@mururoa7024
4 жыл бұрын
@@danielmunch9568 I know, my company has 12. Profit H500 MT, Kappa Auto, Tempora F400. But the Kappa table saws (which we don't have) are just the same as Felder saws but with a larger capacity and setup automation added to it.
@themakeshop1499
4 жыл бұрын
Love the sliding top. I wish I had one in my shop, but the budget and the floor space won't allow it. Thanks for showing us around the saw though. Really well done!
@GB-mu9ue
Ай бұрын
Very clear and easy to understand. Excellent vid. Subscribed.
@michaelroberts1420
3 жыл бұрын
I have worked on both an Altendorff and an SCM sliding table saw both very nice machines and are great to use. But i find that if you build side tables and an out feed table for a contractors / cabinet style saw with various things like a sled a few “L” fences and the rest that works really well. I find that sliding table saws are great if you are constantly machining sheet stock which i just don’t i build furniture. I have always found that no matter how big your new shop is it is always not big enough when you start to dream. It really boils down to what work you do. you don’t buy a pickup truck if your job is hauling gravel all day you don’t buy a dump truck if you deliver packages for work.
@moti.g
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! The weird thing about the larger sliding saws like you used previously, is that the crosscut fence is actually on the opposite side - you push against it with the wood, instead of pushing the wood with the fence. I believe the reason for this is that its much easier to load up full sheets from the back and cut them this way, which is crucial in a fast paced production environment where a lot of cuts are being made. Those large sliding saws are by far the fastest way to cut sheet goods with high accuracy - much more efficient than the "rough cut with a circular saw and then refine the dimensions with a table saw" method most DIYers use. But keep in mind - these big saws aren't only huge, they're also expensive. Often 10x more expensive than a DIY table saw, job site saw or track saw of decent quality. This efficiency matters when you cut 100s of sheets, not for a home gamer. I think for a hobbyist, the size Alexandre shows here (and also the saw used by Marius H in his videos) is the ideal size enjoying the best of both worlds. Most importantly - as safe as sliding saws can be, no table saw is foolproof. My dad has been a carpenter for over 30 years, works exclusively with a top tier full size sliding saw, and still over his career managed to snag fingers on a spinning blade twice, both requiring ER visits and stitches. No machine can guarantee safety.
@danielmunch9568
4 жыл бұрын
1. You can swap the fence so u dont need to press your wood against it 2. this type of table saws arent that expensive. I have the same saw just with an 3m sliding table and Ive bought it for 2000€.
@moti.g
4 жыл бұрын
@@danielmunch9568 a full sized one new costs about $10,000 where I live, and second hand aren't much cheaper as only large shops buy them
@jonyloncke7642
4 жыл бұрын
I have the combined machine from Felder, the BF6-40 since 1993 and its an extremely well built machine.
@mikko1992
2 жыл бұрын
you can combine your sliding table fence with your rip fence to cut small pieces. as long as you have your rip fence before the saw blade.
@shenkers
3 жыл бұрын
Im fine and didnt get injured, but I watched only regular table saw safety videos before using a friends saw like you have. I didnt know that you should not use both fences at the same time, as you mentioned at 12:36. I was lucky to get away with that situation just with couple scares and ruined material (at least for sizes needed for that project). Once I learned my mistake I really liked the saw and I totaly agree that this type of sliding saw is better and in many cases safer.
@galiiacopini
3 жыл бұрын
Instead of building a sled for cutting short pieces, you can also clamp a piece of wood (higher than the height of the saw) to the moving fence extending beyond the saw to support them
@ProfessorDIY
4 жыл бұрын
I am wondering what the 65 people that gave this video a thumbs down did not like. Great video my friend!!
@5084204
3 жыл бұрын
Many viewers ask this question. Some say people thumb down when the youtube algorithms send them to the content that is not interesting to them. Imagine you are - let's say - a church minister and suddenly in your recommendations you find Chappel. Mr Chappel. Boomer - thumb down. ...
@mattschreiber4251
3 жыл бұрын
Probably a bunch of my obtuse fellow Americans stuck on 'American cabinet saws' that don't trust communist Europe. We clearly don't fund our education system appropriately.
@CutitwithaHammer
4 жыл бұрын
A great video! Not a lot of this type of info available, especially in the US, which is why I started a channel that's featuring a Hammer B3 unit. I was just about to buy a SawStop when I decided to really research sliding table saws and I ended up with a Hammer. While the Hammer costs more and I had to wait a while for it (thanks Covid!), I'm glad I bought it. I'd repeat in a heartbeat.
@P010010010100101
4 жыл бұрын
I agree that there's not much info out here in the US and that's actually why I'm going to start a channel featuring a Minimax C 26G. I've been waiting for it to come from Italy for the past 6mo (thanks again COVID). I was about to buy a set of Laguna machines but stumbled across the Hammer series by accident...went down a rabbit hole and several dozen emails later I ended up with one machine that does it all. Definitely can't wait to try mine out. I'm glad you like your B3! Great machine!
@CutitwithaHammer
4 жыл бұрын
@@P010010010100101 PM me when you get your channel up and running!
@P010010010100101
4 жыл бұрын
@@CutitwithaHammer sounds good!
@leehaelters6182
4 жыл бұрын
Wally West, I will love to see your machine in action. I appreciate modern 5-function machines, and the Mini Max caught my eye! If you start a channel, I pledge to subscribe! Best of luck!
@dannyh.7490
3 жыл бұрын
@@leehaelters6182 I had the MiniMax Technomax for years and loved it ! I recently retired and sold it, but never had any problems with it. Stayed accurate for all ten years that I used it. Customer service was better with them than with Felder and the price was quite a bit less too ! Grizzly also makes a compact sliding panel saw that you might want to check out as well.
@DocteGaby
2 жыл бұрын
Best explanation of kickback!
@fk6536
3 жыл бұрын
the best safety tool people who got hurt forgot to use is the brain. either they got distracted, stressed, or something else.. And as far as i know Festool also integrated the saw stop technology very recently. Still a very very useful video i recommend people watching :) thumbs up and one more subscription !
@justsittinhere72
3 жыл бұрын
I gave you a "thumbs-up" for the brain part. So true.
@jeffm6273
3 жыл бұрын
I switched to a sliding table saw a coupe of years ago and will never go back. Mine is the cheaper Shop Fox W1811, but with an annual tune up to keep things aligned it works great. The only downsides: it takes up a 10' x 12' area for full motion capability with a full sheet of plywood on it, and it does take a little time to get your work processes changed. But if you have the space there is nothing like using one, I've built a simple little jig for cutting small parts on it and it works a charm.
@stevejohnson1685
4 жыл бұрын
Alexandre - Thanks for taking the time to answer questions about your saw from myself and others. I live in southern California, have a 25 year old "monolithic" Delta contractor's saw, which does benefit from minimal to no adjustments, plus a nice, solid crosscut sled I made. It sounds like a tracksaw is my next project, and I'll leave movable-top saws to people with more shop space than me. I've spent a significant fraction of my life in Zug and Lucerne ("Grüezi!"), and Breda NL, but unfortunately not at a time in my life when I was making contact with Makers. Thanks, by the way, for doing everything in metric!
@jeanchapman1301
4 жыл бұрын
Steve Johnson Zug, Lucerne, Breda? I know what company you work for. 🙂 And yes, a track saw is a must have for making accurate cuts when breaking down plywood.
@stevejohnson1685
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeanchapman1301 :-) Hi, Jean - I imagine you do. Had a great time while I was there, and really appreciative of my patient and tolerant family.
@dannyh.7490
3 жыл бұрын
Steve, sorry you didn't know me. I recently retired and moved from So. Cal and sold my panel saw ! I sold it to a contractor in Ontario ! I did purchase a Makita track saw to fill my retirement mode though !
@GT0NY
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you mention the sliding table saw. I was so excited about it when i first time saw it in your videos,
@fredio54
4 жыл бұрын
Saws like the larger one you showed with the telescoping arm under to support the weight out wide are or at least were standard fare in non-CNC joinery shops making kitchens and bathrooms and other stuff like that from MDF or whatever else. I grew up with access to those kinds of table saws and won't buy a table saw until I can afford one like that. For cutting big sheets with just one person, nothing touches them. By far the best.
@fredio54
4 жыл бұрын
Ha, Altendorf is one of the brands I have used in the past :-)
@sinsin1972
3 жыл бұрын
We need those types of table saws here in the US. I own several table saws, but this is the first time seeing a sliding table saw.
@Diamonddrake
3 жыл бұрын
They sell them on amazon
@nunziobusiness1509
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a couple months away from buying a new Felder sliding table saw - a big one.
@subhanmughal1468
3 жыл бұрын
Happy for you man 🖤
@nunziobusiness1509
3 жыл бұрын
@@subhanmughal1468 Or possibly Altendorf.. there's one at auction but I'm not quite ready yet.
@subhanmughal1468
3 жыл бұрын
@@nunziobusiness1509 go ahead and get something you love
@nunziobusiness1509
3 жыл бұрын
@@subhanmughal1468 Tell you what.. I am putting together a prototype that I used a fairly decent Ridgid table saw for the wood parts... NOT SQUARE! GAH!! WTF? Definitely spending the money on a good sliding table saw.
@acrisiswot3804
3 жыл бұрын
My Ridgid Cast Iron table saw also had the motor and thus the blade at an off angle, instead of straight, could not get it loose to correct it, was supposed to take it in for service ... returned it.
@binbalebardac4156
4 жыл бұрын
The ability to cut a full 4 x 8 sheet good safely with little effort, count me in! Sawstop needs to get to get those development engineers back to work. :P
@dannyh.7490
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry the Europeans are way ahead of what we make here in America as far as panel saw go's The safety systems on European saws are much better than whats on a SawStop. A previous post points this out.
@stickyfox
3 жыл бұрын
Sawstop needs to stop guarding a technology that belongs on every power tool. Can you imagine if only Teslas had seatbelts?
@JeDxDeVu
3 жыл бұрын
In Germany we only use format tablesaws. They're the best. The US are constantly building stops, sliding jigs and other gismos to compensate for not having a formatsaw.
@Lugenfabrik
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never seen a saw like this and I’m extremely jealous.
@dannyh.7490
3 жыл бұрын
Grizzly makes them too and at a much better price ! I just sold my panel saw and it was made by SCMI which is the largest manufacturer of these type saws in the world and the price of them is better than those of Felder. Felder by comparison is a small Co.
@tonyjordao2595
3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyh.7490 Sorry to rain in your parade, but you just said, is a Toyota Corola is better than a Rolls Royce, nothing compares to FELDER or the smaller branch of the company, named HAMMER, so you need to get your facts right, by the way maybe i am wrong, but SCMI, is made in China, not Europe
@jurajmanduch7
3 жыл бұрын
I would say, It is pretty basic saw. Have you ever heard about something like Martin T75, but price is crazy
@CopiWood
3 жыл бұрын
@@tonyjordao2595 SCM is much better quality than Felder, SCM panel saws are made in Italy and not china. I own SCM L'invincibile six and felder kappa 590 both top of the line panel saw but SCM is years ahead of felder. But if you want the top of the top you buy Martin. don't get me wrong folder makes great machines and a lot of them (cheaper ones) are made in china.
@MoGhotbi
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent overview of sliding saws.
@yarnefiten5929
2 жыл бұрын
I think these table saws are more populaire in Europe I love these!
@necrojoe
4 жыл бұрын
Bosch's Reaxx line of saws has tech similar to a Saw Stop, but even better, because you don't damage your blade. Unfortuantely, SawStop sued to stop Bosch from selling them in the US, while lobbying the government to try to make their own tech mandatory on saws, by law. I don't know if things have changed, but it put SawStop in a bad light, to me.
@geraldyungling3334
4 жыл бұрын
SawStop successfully defended their patent in court--as any patent holder has the right to do. Government lobbying had nothing to do with it. Felder's PCS technology works by a totally different mechanism (magnetic rather than electrical resistance) and not likely to violate SawStop's patent.
@benjaminlorrig9299
4 жыл бұрын
@@geraldyungling3334 the lobbying was a separate point where they tried to get the government to force everyone to license their patent by making saws without that sort of safety feature illegal.
@OU81TWO
4 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminlorrig9299 Yeah that's called trying to have a monopoly then charge anything they want for the product. It says a lot about how greedy the SawStop people are.
@kevinronald4137
2 жыл бұрын
SawStop is now owned by Festool but they still do not sell their table saws into Europe or UK. Festool do sell in Europe a contractors saw using the SawStop technology. It is maybe worth pointing out that using a sliding saw like a Fedler normal saw practice does place your hands well away from the blade.
@johnnytocino9313
2 жыл бұрын
Well Gass who invented the saw stop device spent for years being blown off by USA saw manufacturers to the point 4 years later he decided to manufacture saw stop saws.
@Tool-Meister
3 жыл бұрын
I had a Sawstop 5hp Industrial model, with the sliding table option. It was one of 3 table saws in my shop. It was excellent in every way. My observation was the sliding table was great, particularly for breaking down sheet goods. It also excelled cutting tenons. However, it did limit or obviated some of my favorite shop-made and purchased fixtures. Also, since I had an excellent sliding compound miter saw it offered little advantage for cross cutting rails, stiles, etc.. In practice I used a premium crosscut blade on my miter saws and premium rip or combination blades on the Sawstop. For the production environment, the sliding table can be a huge advantage, but for my widely varying needs it’s advantage was not worth the expense. I would not likely I’d buy one again. For the, hobbyist, who adapts the table saw to mimic certain stand-alone machines the sliding table can be a showstopper. I can’t make a “blanket” recommendation either way for a hobbyist. Each woodworker needs to carefully assess their needs and make an informed decision.
@cescone999
3 жыл бұрын
Ciao Alexandre You forget 100% italian production, with SCM Minimax, really popular around Europe and super good machine! I walked in the factory a couple of weeks ago... love it !!
@KimbrellBrad
3 жыл бұрын
I have used a huge Felder (new) at Marc Adams School of Woodworking in Indiana. It is a wonderful saw...but with a huge footprint. For specific tasks it is a great advantage. Great review and thanks for posting!
@pf5658
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll take one like this any day over a traditional saw even though I’ve never used a sliding table before.
@luisenriquebarrientosasto1838
4 жыл бұрын
Realmente grandioso saber que tengas la cualidad de explicar muy claramente detalle a detalle, tus tutoriales . Te lo dice un varon de 50 años de edad. DIOS te bendiga.
@CrookedSkew
2 жыл бұрын
Consider the grand daddy and inventor of the sliding table saw, Altendorf.
@zsoltmohnansky359
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video my friend, when I lived in Europe this was the type of the saw we were using in the shop, in my opinion these are the best saws ever, very accurate and built for production work. Keep up the good work.
@arimadx
4 жыл бұрын
By the looks of it, that is far superior than what we have here in the us. You just have so much more ability to rip bigger sheets of wood and you almost don't even need a sled
@dozenfaun
3 жыл бұрын
I dont know if you have one, but for flimsy long panels you can make a foldable sawhorse with roller on top at the exact height of your tablesaw. You put it at the end of your guide to support longer panels. Only for panels
@Arterexius
4 жыл бұрын
8:30 There's another trick as well, which I use whenever I can't see if the diagonals are the exact same (such as micrometer differences which can't be measured with a measuring tape. Just take an angle iron and push it up against the corners. If there's a gap between any of the sides of the angle iron and your work piece, then the piece is still crooked. The angle iron has to sit perfectly flat against the piece in order for it to be perfectly square. This trick also works with rounded corners, given your angle iron is long enough.
@ls901
4 жыл бұрын
Here in Brazil we have both types of saws. This kind you shown is known as "esquadrejadeira" in portuguese, which would be something like a "squarer" in english, so "a saw to make the boards square", as you said. Very nice.
@WerneckDexter
4 жыл бұрын
That's true... We do have Felder dealer here in Brazil, but unfortunately the prices became unpractical forcing us to use some "not so good quality" ones... BTW. A very good way to adjust the squareness is by using the 5 cuts method.
@jamesmoore1532
4 жыл бұрын
Felder offers a superior safety system. It will engage the system before your finger touches and it won't ruin your blade. It works off of electro magnets. At this time it's only offered in the Format 4 commercial grade. In the US it's around $30,000.00 USD.
@johnnyteague3407
3 жыл бұрын
They are great. If I did not have a powermatic I would get one from grizzly manufacturing like my friend did a few years back
@NSResponder
2 жыл бұрын
15:01 Felder has their own rapid-response blade retracting system in their higher-end machines, based on optical recognition of a hand moving toward the blade, as opposed to SawStop's electronic contact detection. Might want to look that up.
@CommentsAllowed
3 жыл бұрын
This guy... is amazing.
@acanadianwoodworker
Жыл бұрын
15:07 This is why I like the concept of sliding table right up against the blade. With all the cabinet saw sliding add-ons, the slide portion is miles away from the blade, and the gap has to be bridged by the miter bar. I feel like there is some kind of loss of stiffness or some loss there. As well, the obvious loss is doing a rip cut off the sliding table, say if you were straightening a 2 x 4 or something, you would just have nothing to firmly attach it to on the cabinet saw slider. Whereas on a European saw, you could attach quite a thin-width piece and straighten it.
@bisarowood
3 жыл бұрын
I love my panel saw, I have a newer model of the K700 with a 9' slider , not sure if it's the best but very good .
@efenili
4 жыл бұрын
Whenever I see a smaller sliding table saw it always makes me wonder if I should get one. Outside of some of the cons you mentioned though the main ones for me (and I would assume any hobbyist woodworker) are price and footprint. Especially for US buyers who can rarely find the smaller versions second hand, the saws are extremely expensive compared to even Sawstops. Second while the non-moving footprint may be similar in order to take advantage of the sliding functions you need essentially twice the floor space if not more. Unfortunately it simply makes more sense to get a standard table saw and for anything bigger just use a track saw. Loved the explanations though :)
@dannyh.7490
3 жыл бұрын
Grizzly makes a smaller panel saw and the price isn't much more than a SawStop !
@rguilford10
3 жыл бұрын
I love my Felder K700. A bit expensive until you realize how safe and how much you can get done. Also, the resale on these type of saws are amazing. By the way, I'm not selling my Felder. Too good a saw.
@geoffkelly2760
Жыл бұрын
Thank you from Downunder - Well done
@BrainSlugs83
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that Felder alternative actually looks better than saw stop. -- Like it doesn't destroy the tablesaw, and it triggers before the contact. That's neat.
@vincentrolfe1384
3 жыл бұрын
There is a little company in Italy, Rimini that also makes a few sliding table saws: SCM. Change subject, if you are eating lunch and do that much movement with your hands there may be lots of food all over the table and floor. I have the Felder shaper and really like the performance and I understand your enthusiasm.
@acanadianwoodworker
Жыл бұрын
3:17 Haha - this is the first time I've seen cuts in the miter bar. I guess in a 20 year history lots of crazy stuff is going to happen!
@Ricardo-vv8sy
3 жыл бұрын
"You have to make adjustments all the time" - Sits on the adjustable part - My heart stops haha Love your videos! =D
@philrichmond5919
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, it’s a bit of an exaggeration. I’ve got a similar machine, a Minimax CU300 combination with a 2.5m sliding table which I purchased used as a ten year old machine and had shipped from over 1000km away. Despite the journey strapped to a pallet, it arrived and everything was dead on square and accurate, after several years use it is still just as accurate. I’ve not had to adjust the slider or calibrate the fence at all. Like the Felder it’s an industrial grade machine built to stay accurate under constant commercial use.
@MrMemusashi
3 жыл бұрын
A couple things you missed. One big plus to sliding table saw is the scoring blade. It is a small blade infront of the cutting blade. It completely eliminates the tear out you always get on plywood. Now two negatives. Depending on the brand of saw you have it can be very difficult to get a zero clearance insert. I have a Robland combanation machine. And make my own. It is not fun. Next negative is again depending on the machine. On some you may not be able to put a stack dado on it. They have looked down on stacked dado's in the uk for years. But they are starting to come around.
@vincentrolfe1384
2 жыл бұрын
Vincent Again, Felder, your fav now make a slider saw with Saw Stop tech for an area around the blade.
@SBKuromori
3 жыл бұрын
Well, Felder has something to offer it is called PCS and it won't require to buy expensive cartridges when incident happens, instead it lowers the blade with powerful electromagnets, and allows to resume work in seconds.
@ptabz3112
4 жыл бұрын
That is a very nice saw. In my opinion the best table saw currently available is the martin t75 prex. It can do bevel cuts both directions and has vacuum work holding options.
@drjoshuamc
3 жыл бұрын
And only $35k
@riverbuilder2251
2 жыл бұрын
Martin have made the best table and panel saws in the world for over 50 years
@ronaldcalexanderjr2159
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice saw, but nothing beats a panel saw for breaking down large sheets
@robinjitsingh3733
4 жыл бұрын
I subscribed just because you are from Europe 🇪🇺 and hope you use metric measurement.
@achappel
4 жыл бұрын
Offcource I do! Anything else would be crazy! 😅 thanks for the sub :)
@martykorn9266
2 жыл бұрын
The only times I’ve wanted a sliding table is when I have to cut a dado on a really long awkward piece that’s too big for a sled. It’s very difficult to keep large workpieces square against the fence AND provide downward force to keep dado depth consistent simultaneously.
@julianreverse
Жыл бұрын
You DON'T cut small pieces with the stop on the sliding table but with "Fritz und Franz" as they are called here in Germany.
@FamilyRoots
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice 👍
@craigburghardt8604
3 жыл бұрын
You have a track in the face of the sliding mechanism, easy to add clamps for short cuts.
@Creative_Electronics
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video Alexandre 👍👍
@achappel
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)) I'm glad you like it!
@simonvongunten9288
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! 👍🏻 Glad you mentioned the danger of kickbacks at the parallel fence of regular tablesaws. I think it’s so important to be able to pull back the fence. I definitly prefere working on sliding tablesaws like you!
@edmonddyogi6411
4 жыл бұрын
Another checking for square technique you can use is the 3-4-5 technique. Good for really large pieces that is difficult to do diagonal measurements. Basically on each corner measure 3 units one side and 4 units the other side (creating 2 sides of a right triangle) and measure the distance between the two measurements (the hypotenuse) and it should be 5 units. Opposing right triangles make the piece square. Practical use of Pythagorean theorem. :)
@douggilchrist5131
2 жыл бұрын
I believe that Felder now makes a saw that has a similar feature to a SawStop but doesn't require replacing the expensive cartridge and blade if the devise is triggered. Unfortunately Felder saws are very expensive here in Canada.
@derekcohen1000
3 жыл бұрын
Alexandre, I am surprised that you could discuss a slider without reference to a "Fritz and Franz" fixture. This will lift the range and performance of a slider to another level. Go and search for it.
@PavelNr1
4 жыл бұрын
In Germany it's called "Formatkreissäge" ^^
@lasserb
3 жыл бұрын
Lol, für mich war bisher alles einfach Kreissäge
@PavelNr1
3 жыл бұрын
@@lasserb einst war für mich alles "Säge" ^^
@derekrobertson1548
3 жыл бұрын
The new felder range has an optional feature that protects your fingers and hands. If they come within a certain distance of the blade it will drop the blade down blow the hight of the table, they claim this is done at the speed of light. Have a look on there Web site.
@philipphermann9454
4 жыл бұрын
The Saw-Stop part wasn't really true for two reasons: The first one is, festool actually has sawstop included in some of theire newer tablesaws. The second one: Felder, Altendorf and most of the other manufacterers of sliding table saws have SawStop in their bigger models. Those are actually capacitive instead of resistive (sawstop is resistive). That means the Blade retracts even before you touch it, you don't even get a scratch. Also, their systems don't destroy the blade and break - the saw just has to be turned on again. Of course, those are machines for big shops and industry.
@IlfStoyanov
3 жыл бұрын
Festool licensed Sawstop tech from Sawstop. I'm interested un your other comment, though. Isn't tjlhe capacitive technology the one Bosch uses, I think it is called reaxx or something like that. I hade the impression it was not as good as sawstop's tech. Do you have a link to an article where I can read more about it?
@@Julian-ll5zj Oh. That's news to me. I have to do some reading on M&A then. Thank you for the info.
@snatermans
3 жыл бұрын
When a company says it saves fingers, but then patents the tech and make a lot of people loose fingers on tables of other brands, then tell me, does that company save fingers? The patent prohibits other companies to invent the same thing, and most of these inventions are only a matter of time before discovery. (I was not familiar with this material, but from your comment I guess the licensing is probably an expensive ordeal) To me, I like the Volvo way much better: Invents seatbelts and gives the patent to the world, allowing every car manufacturer to reduce deaths in it's vehicles. Shout out to Volvo!
@kevinnickel7529
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah..thats kinda a dick move by Sawstop..I appreciate my fingers, and would like to keep them, but I don't have 3k to spend to pay their extortion monies.
@Ham68229
3 жыл бұрын
Being from the U.S. sliding table saw are available, have been for a good number of years now. To be fair, it's best to have both, traditional TS and a sliding TS. Never been a fan of sawstop since they were trying to force other manufacturers go to their style of TS. Cheers :)
@akselsgrinvalds1854
4 жыл бұрын
15:00 Felder does have what they call PCS on their high-end Format4 550 e-motion PCS. It works in the same way as a SawStop but it doesn't need a new cartridge. It can be reset by pressing a button. Love your videos
@akselsgrinvalds1854
4 жыл бұрын
Festool also came out with a saw that has the same technology. Extremely expensive ofc. Bosch made a system called reaxx but they for sued from SawStop for infringing patents.
@achappel
4 жыл бұрын
Aksels Grinvalds I just saw that when I was getting the links for the video description, pretty cool stuff! Thanks for watching 😊
@achappel
4 жыл бұрын
Aksels Grinvalds oh I didn't know that about festool and bosch, I'll definitely check it out!
@strale
4 жыл бұрын
@@akselsgrinvalds1854 Well, the parent company of Festool bought Sawstop, which is why it uses the same technology
@akselsgrinvalds1854
4 жыл бұрын
@@strale Forgot that, thank you👌
@andrewvida3829
3 жыл бұрын
First thing I was taught was to NEVER use the fence when cross-cutting. Kickback can easily result in compound fractures in the hand.
@MatthewSpringer
3 жыл бұрын
That's correct. The danger is the offcut behind the blade is overconstrained at the back which means the fence can push the offcut into the back of the blade., You can use the crosscut fence as an farside position reference. One a slider you typically pull the fence back whereas on an American style fence, you can clamp a block to the sawblade side that gives enough clearance for the offcut.
@johnnytocino9313
2 жыл бұрын
We have saws like that in USA but usually in pro cabinet shops and there twice that size or bigger.
@renaud7101
4 жыл бұрын
As you are bringing up the safety topic, and because you seem like a conscientious person, I have to admit that although I have fun watching your videos, I'm always surprised by the total lack of eye protection you demonstrate. Saws, nail guns, etc, it doesn't look like it's a "one time oversight", as it's even in your old footage of sawing plywood! I hate grumpy know-it-all youtube woodworking safety warriors that seem to complain whenever they can, but I can't help to think that it's a very basic safety habit! Especially considering the amount of followers you have...
@GrandHighMarshall
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. It was exactly what I was looking for.
@haplopeart
4 жыл бұрын
I want one of these so bad it hurts. They are killer expensive in the US!
@hackblack8788
3 жыл бұрын
We have a saw stop industrial at my shop and it has a sliding piece that you can buy that is way smaller than the one you showed but it’s not as compact as yours.
@E_Proxy
4 жыл бұрын
I have to say I was skeptical during the first seconds. But I really enjoyed your video. I'm stuck in a efffing city and can't go back home where I would buy one of these things, even if I am just a beginner. I also reallyl loved explanation about tricks and safety, they never get old Cheers from Italy
@johannesTMP
3 жыл бұрын
good to finaly see a type of table saw i'm used to on a youtube video.... funny thing is, we had the same model .. in the design school i did my masters :-)
@alexc2259
3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of sliding table. Thank you.
@ginoasci2876
Жыл бұрын
awesome video, good energy
@jefffuhr2393
2 жыл бұрын
First time seeing a slider saw. Good intro to it. ...what if I also had a sliding garage... 🤔
@mariusj8542
Жыл бұрын
Funny, that saw was sold by a Norwegian company (Falkenberg, selling a lot of high end pro wood cutting equipment, saws, cnc’s etc) remember the model.
@linkincnt
4 жыл бұрын
This style of table saw is very common on Brazil too, we just have alot of cheaper systems in the moving tables, work the same, but not as precise.
@justsittinhere72
3 жыл бұрын
Delta had a line of good woodworking equipment labeled by Invicta. They were made in Brazil.
@fleetswoodshop3339
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the input on the table saw that looks like an awesome saw. I have the same type of sliding feature on my saw stop and have been happy with it so far. but the one you're showing looks even better. thank you again and by the way the shop looks neat and organized and that's the way I keep mine and love it so I appreciate someone else who does the same and thank you thank you from Doug
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