Hey guys if you haven't heard much about Torchlight hopefully you found this review informative or interesting if you want to check out the game you can here: tap.io/WAu45uP I agreed to this sponsor as I played season 1 and really enjoyed myself and genuinely think the gameplay is really fun at the time of making this video, as always any and all feedback on videos is appreciated let me know here in the comments and if I missed anything in this review about the game definitely leave it as a note!
@DeadInsideDave
Жыл бұрын
it got review bombed, but the launch wasnt rocky at all idk what your on about
@iguanaATTACK
Жыл бұрын
The battle pass style overwatch 2 is bs you cant no hide new charaters in that without looking like a piece of shit company and i dont care if is "free" after that i do not want to grind to unlock it it just feel wrong,what happend if my play style is lock behind this crap. what i suppose to do pay or grind with a class i hate?
@connor8965
Жыл бұрын
I think its perfectly reasonable to take sponsorships to play a game and make honest content about your experience. This was a good video and does a great job discussing the pros and cons of the game. Looking forward to maybe some T7-8 trait card juicing strat guides soon perhaps??
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Hm if I was to make torchlight content outside of quick look videos like this at the new league it would be on a second channel most likely or through another medium like maxroll guides.
@NoEphingIdea
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro or another sponsorship $$$
@travissullivan6575
Жыл бұрын
The damage pack spirits are great for big bosses early game, but the quant pets are so powerful end game and the leveling pets are crazy to start with
@nguyentri3608
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. I've been feeling kinda down on the Last Epoch's news on no trading so I'm gonna give TI another chance
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
I'd recommend going with something that you find the most fun a few people I know tried to play super meta stuff but had way more fun playing what looked cool.
@nguyentri3608
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro hey this game is pretty good! I can't really play the paid characters but the constant juicing and the fluidity of it are great. Just enjoying a flame slash build to lv90
@IllusionaryHD
Жыл бұрын
I really disagree with the people that disliked this. Nothing wrong with taking a sponsorship from a PoE-adjacent game and giving your honest opinion on it. Thanks for the video!
@chantzgnad88
Жыл бұрын
thanks for making this, sir! think it is important to have at least one very in depth explanation of a new game with all the good and bad so us arpg lovers can decide for ourselves whether or not it's for us. saying that, I have found this game to be the "sweet spot" for my boomer brain to be able to understand the game while still having enough complexity to discover new and fun ways to play. for anyone watching this that plays POE but may find it difficult to understand how to scale your builds, try this game out. I found it much more simple to get going, with plenty of ceiling left for me to reach should i choose. You the man, Grim!
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying the game! I'm interested to see how the game develops in future leagues.
@chantzgnad88
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro I have seen you and others comment on the issues with the P2W on pets, but specifically only mentioning the drop pets...yes they are an issue, but I do think the pets as a whole need to go. I have F2P only pets but ahe gotten lucky and have a set of pets that literally double my dummy dps for attacks (berserking blade atm) and I think this is a huge issue also if they ever want the game to be "competitive" similar to races in POE...If I were a racer and was enticed to come play a race for Torchlight, I would automatically not try if I knew there was such a large gap in player power for payers or "lucky" long time F2P players...just wanted to mention because I know you and the Maxroll crew are doing what you can to get some of this changed...if you want specifics on my DPS tests, please let me know. Got over 300hrs atm in the last 2 seasons and will be able to provide a fair assessment. Appreciate you, bro!
@deliriumcamper
Жыл бұрын
After playing for a second season I can say my only gripe is with the maps. It takes longer for a map to load than to play. They are so short
@jthiel0711
Жыл бұрын
Yup. Definitely has that mobile phone feel to it with the short gameplay loops. Also, so many damn menus.
@Fungorrr
Жыл бұрын
PoE has ruined me, it's going to take a lot for other Diablo-like games to pull me in with how much depth PoE has introduced into the world.
@saoulhigh2856
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video, as always ! Absolutely love your content, always eloquent, precise and straight to the point. I'll definitely give it a try, and hopefully things like auto-loot will be available as a one-time purchase seasons-wide, for a higher price. For the pets, they are cross sessions, right? You dont have to buy /acquire them again every season? Thanks again for the amazing content!
@TwoToo_
Жыл бұрын
cool video grim👍, sponsor or not im into reviewing new games
@silvercyborg
Жыл бұрын
I think it's a fun, explosion-friendly game to play on the side. Feels like it's lacking a little bit of meat, maybe because I don't have years of being introduced to new super bosses.
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Should be interesting to see what they add next.
@dangelo1289
Жыл бұрын
I really just hate the random chance purchases or loot boxes. If i want cosmetics i feel you should just be able to purchase a specific one. I dont want to get a bunch of random stuff that im not gonna use. Its off putting and really just makes me not want to spend any money on the game. Also I agree that the trade house UI is not the best on PC. Other than that the game is alot of fun.
@Subxenox15
Жыл бұрын
Its definitely good. Been playing it for a week non stop, the gameplay loop addictive and SO easy to jump into
@aBait.
Жыл бұрын
Only Grim could get legendary drop chance Spirit out of 18 xD I have 110h in Torchlight this league and another major point in favor is its difficulty scaling. In PoE I can clear all the content 2nd day of the league, here I'm still missing stuff to do uber Keegan and t8 maps juiced with good compases are also very hard but extremly rewarding (unlike poe after 3.19 nerfs).
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Uber keegan is pretty damn hard.
@anathema1828
Жыл бұрын
Nice work on the video!
@MGMarkov
Жыл бұрын
I actually dont like this monetization. I am fine with the battle pass, but not owning permanently something you purchased is sh*t. The pey to win with pact spirits is a bit nasty as well, good that there is still something that you can get for free.
@dirtysecret1337
Жыл бұрын
thanks for the honest review grim, bless
@diddykangable
Жыл бұрын
lel, was just wondering where you've been. I also just started playin this last night and it feels really similar to POE, just a lot more accessible
@rax313
Жыл бұрын
Love the video Grim since the PoE season is winding down maybe choose other games to play or stream. Doesn't have to be an ARPG.
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
I still definitely have stuff I wanna do in PoE you'll see a few more videos from me about them.
@fyregrass5348
Жыл бұрын
How many did I get right without looking: "Your praise is invalid because sponsor money means you won't be critical" "Your criticism is invalid because sponsor money means you can't be honest" "You can't possibly have enjoyed the game because sponsor money" "The game sucks because of problems that don't really exist and I can't articulate correctly because I haven't actually played the game myself" "POE should have an auction house but also I dont actually like auction houses and want POE trading" "The game wants me to spend $22 after playing 200+ hours therefore it's pay to win gacha mobile game garbage" "the game has literally one flaw I dont like and therefore X game is better" "Should I play CF as Glad or Champ?"
@seth5778
Жыл бұрын
Prophetic
@wuffell912
Жыл бұрын
Can you play the game multiplayer yet? I'm really surprised this wasn't mentioned, considering the game was released without multiplayer.
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Multiplayer is on the cards for early this year I beleive.
@wuffell912
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro thanks!
@Rurush7
Жыл бұрын
You can pick up loot easily with one keyboard button + pet picks up almost every currency. That alone made me stop playing poe which fucked up my wrist. Also you can play with controller. They fix stuff like in this video where he dies to a projectile after the boss is dead, it doesn't happen anymore.
@MartinEB72
8 ай бұрын
Glad you announced they were sponsoring you. It lets people know that you can't take your review seriously. Just don't call it a review.
@SyntheticaYT
Жыл бұрын
For Pactspirits, do they persist league to league? Do you start a new league with the new legendary Pactspirits? Seems kinda fucked either way. You either have to rebuy them, or you start with a huge legup on other people?
@OtoriDaisuke
Жыл бұрын
Pacts, costumes, chars and everything u ‘pay’ will stay every season and accesible every season. However, much like diablo 3 there will be ‘old’ and ‘new’ season char. New stuff will always be in new season and will have to wait about 3-4 months before going into ‘old server. There is no ptw system, anyone who says its ptw is talking out of their ass or just because pacts have to spend money to get. I cleared everything without pact(pets). There are plenty of builds out there especially by chinese players for f2p and paid players.
@Rurush7
Жыл бұрын
I got many Pactspirits with free currency from challenges and achievements and upgraded to max. You don't need to pay as much as you need to play to get those. And you keep Pactspirits forever in all leagues. Also you can use the same Pactspirit on different characters at the same time. You buy stash tabs (not the ones to sell) permanently with a free currency. There are stash tabs in auction house to sell, you have free one with 9 slots if I remember. if you get season pass you get an other tab to sell stuff.
@BasedChadman
Жыл бұрын
Is there a single non-sponsored review for this shit?
@MCrelationz
Жыл бұрын
I had a feeling it was sponsored LOL. Best to just try it out ourselves I guess. Edit - There was a post on the steam discussions a couple of days ago and some people are claiming that the company paid for fake steam reviews during a certain time period. Don't know how true it is, but do you doubt it?
@BasedChadman
Жыл бұрын
@Joseph Tried it and got bored. Gameplay feels like watered down POE
@Aggiblr
Жыл бұрын
I'm fine with battlepasses, AH slot not being permanent is eeeeh not good, pact spirit system is a dealbreaker, no ty, got too mobilegamey.
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Should be interesting to hear what the devs have to say about our feedback on this system.
@cabal123123123
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro IIRC they did Q&A about that question before but kinda dodge it, roughly saying they won't sell too powerful class and even wanna "prove" by setting an event PW2 vs F2P players LOL ... in the end from what I've seen they just keep pushing the pay2win aspect after they grab enough audience from the start ... afterall is still BETA, can't imagine how much feature will be change when BETA ends
@sammavada7955
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the pay to win pet exists just kills this game.
@Capybara_Player_786
Жыл бұрын
yeah same for the specials tabs for POE, dont know any veteran, streamers that is playing without currency or map tab, no way to play it without those, even more for magic finders hahaha
@Kilaka007
Жыл бұрын
You can get a ton of free pets just by playing free.
@sammavada7955
Жыл бұрын
@@Capybara_Player_786 I was unaware that stash tabs loot for you.
@sammavada7955
Жыл бұрын
@@Kilaka007 And by the time you get them to any level of decency that the p2w ones give you it is time to quit the game until the next season.
@eiden2121
Жыл бұрын
@@sammavada7955 ok but you basically need them to actually play the game
@NetherPrime
Жыл бұрын
To say its like path of exile is like saying d3 is just like path of exile, ive played plenty of torchlight infinite and i cannot help but disagree on this lol
@nik_ms
Жыл бұрын
The mobile game look turns me off a lot and the nail in the coffin was the limiting of the characters via battle pass. I'll maybe try it, but, I doubt I'll play it a lot.
@vmia159
Жыл бұрын
Torchlight infinite is like playing with old HH in POE all the time
@mathiasjacobsen8433
Жыл бұрын
Normally i don't really care about graphics, but the whole mobile game feel of the game and cartoon graphics are just not for me.
the "auctionhouse" is disgusting mess in terms of UI. It's terrible to use in any way. Filtering for items is clunky, comparing items annoying, sorting by specific categorys isn't even a thing, pricing your own items is a hell. Price fixing and scamming is a even bigger problem than poe. For me this is the absolut biggest problem. I honestly prefer PoE's trade system by a lot compared to what ever this sh*t is.
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Hm I actually didn't have to much of an issue with it if you know how to sort the auction house using the ratio search function. You can key in your maximum buy price for example 0.02 FE per unit and it will highlight what you need but yes UI is something that needs improving and it's on the list of feedback we'll be taking to the developers.
@aBait.
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro Good to know that the "gray box" on the right means per unit, it doesn't say that in my client. Anyway thanks xD
@VacaAlpha
Жыл бұрын
@@aBait. oh so thats what that is.. there's like absolutely no text in those boxes so I never knew what they meant in any of the AH screens
@linearz
Жыл бұрын
It's harder to price fixing in TL, and there is tax if you want to flip items, much better than PoE
@TheMarc2k
Жыл бұрын
Nice Video! Is there a build guide?^^
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
I'm definitely not experienced enough at this stage to advise people on builds. My character was based loosely on this guide with some modifications maxroll.gg/torchlight-infinite/build-guides/wind-stalker-erika-dex-stacker-guide
@TheMarc2k
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro Ah alright i kinda play the same build wit a other version but your version looks better^^ Hope you stick to the game, its nice that PoE KZitemrs give this game a try because its a really good game.
@TheMarc2k
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro Would you recommend to have +2melee skill gems on both swords?
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMarc2k I think penetration is much better, once you hit a certain amount you can drop the penetration from your talents and go for the dex stacking modifier that gives attack speed.
@jonathansimpson2287
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Grim, great info. Going to check out the game. Love PoE
@Lellos345
Жыл бұрын
is it p2w??
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
All relevant monetization is discussed in the second half of the video you can skip to it with time stamps.
@jthiel0711
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@travissullivan6575
Жыл бұрын
T8 bride is such a pain compared to T7
@saegrassap
Жыл бұрын
is this game co-op_¿?
@tenkid840901
Жыл бұрын
The crafting system looks like a POE player's wet-dream, soooooo good! built in trade, built in poedb, deterministic, I came. These contrasts and show just how outdated some of the systems in POE are, can't craft without opening 3 different websites + awakened poe
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
There is certainly a lot of quality of life that's for sure.
@jthiel0711
Жыл бұрын
Gameplay and customization feel pretty good, but you can definitely tell it's a mobile game at its core. The small areas and maps with so many load screens, the U/I, the menus, the red notification icons, and then the cash shop/gacha mechanics. All of that kind of ruins the game for me.
@supersamshbrosmelee
Жыл бұрын
TIL you're australian lmao. I had such trouble placing your accent until you said 'battlepass'
@zaQon
Жыл бұрын
60fps locked???
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
No I just lock it to that because my pc isn't the best.
@Frey_64
Жыл бұрын
yeah... being able to pay to get better auto loot, more quantity, damage, defenses, XP etc ... its pretty bad .. and the system being gacha its the cherry on top :s . STILL you get a LOT for free and I'm having lots of fun playing Torchlight Infinite leveling first character trying to make my way thru "maps" without guides, applying my knowledge of PoE to build something that works :D
@w4zz_yt
Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say that I disagree with the other commenters trying to say that you're inherently biased due to this being a sponsored video. I appreciate your honesty and I'm glad you posted your review and are making content for a game you enjoy, while still being able to point out it's flaws. Keep doing what you do and know that even if there are a few people butthurt about you doing a sponsored review, that there are plenty of people who are glad you're making this content and promoting a genuinely good game. Thanks for the video, keep up the grind!
@WelcomeBackMeHere
Жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that Grimro specifically is biased, but that human beings in this situation are inherently biased. You can't be employed to advertise a game and expect to be completely unaffected by that business relationship in how you express your opinions.
@w4zz_yt
Жыл бұрын
@literally I agree with you there, but he isn't employed by the game developer. He is sponsored by Maxroll, not XD. So in this situation I think even if there is a working bias it'd be very minimal. Definitely not worth people telling him to not make these kinds of videos over, or to call him disingenuous for. Especially when these people didn't actually watch the content to see that he does offer fair criticism. That's the part that irk's me the most.
@maagiapall
Жыл бұрын
"This is a sponsored video but I can say whatever I want" - this is such a stupid premise and I think it's irresponsible to frame a sponsored video as a review since you're inherently biased, even if you are trying your best not to be. You have a working relationship with these people, saying negative things will likely affect future sponsorships, etc. Again, not saying you would purposely lie about your opinion, but at the very least it colours your attitude towards the game and developers subconsciously. Sponsored videos should be limited to a showcase without any critical analysis. So it's gonna be a pass for me, if I want a review for this game, I will find someone unaffiliated with it
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
I can completely slam the game and still receive the sponsored money sure I might get dropped in the future but as a creator I'd be completely fine with that as integrity is most important. I'd really recommend watching the video I don't take it easy on the game or the monetization but I totally get your opinion and based on what people think of this video I'm more than happy to look past these opportunities in the future if people really don't like videos like this I appreciate the feedback.
@MegaBezveze
Жыл бұрын
XD ( company behind Torchlight ) paid a lot of streamers for sponsored streams and sponsored videos. A lot of those streamers played ( and created content ) for far more than they got paid for. Game is just very good and nice change of pace compared to PoE.
@Jefferson11169
Жыл бұрын
You didn't watch the video, he was plenty critical.
@sodapopinski8064
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro bro, go get yours. If people have a huge issue with sponsored videos they can skip them. It's not like it's the majority of your content.
@aberwood
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately a sponsored video can never be taken seriously for review. There's a reason in politics, law and academia you cant judge / review a benefactor. No matter how impartial you claim to be.
@Pluke89
Жыл бұрын
Cateye isnt free in beginning tough just saying 😁
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Yep I bought her myself on the battle pass I mention it in the video in the battle pass section.
@Pluke89
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro yeah true.forgot to edit 👍 but you do mention in beginning free characters and erica isnt one of that but nvm great video so does thz game 👍
@mordekais3er
Жыл бұрын
good
@psyeseease2649
Жыл бұрын
If it's a P2W system then there's not going to be a real competitive spirit like in PoE economy, which is a big draw for people.
@jthiel0711
Жыл бұрын
There is no competitive spirit in PoE economy. You can still P2W, it's just third party. The only true competitive spirit in PoE is SSF which in that case, the economy doesn't matter. But I agree with your overall sentiment, this game offers direct P2W from the cash shop which is terrible and ruins the game.
@Rurush7
Жыл бұрын
not as much as pay 2 rmt in poe with all the bots POE is only competitive at wrist wrecking and burning your PC. "feel the weight" of each trash item
@egoboost13
Жыл бұрын
It was good before....
@OtoriDaisuke
Жыл бұрын
Looking at the comments mentioning p2w just shows people are so close-minded towards something before trying. The game doesn’t require ‘paid’ pacts as everything is clearable without it. To clear up the questions on ‘Pacts’ or everything purchased with money is that it is ‘PERMANENT’. It WILL be accessible every season. Do your research people, it doesnt take like 3 min to find this out. There are so much builds/guides out there for f2p players with/without pacts.
@aryssobral
Жыл бұрын
Games sooo good every video ive seen about It, its sponsored. 👀 I mean...
@seth5778
Жыл бұрын
If the game is legitimately good, the result would be the same, so what's your point?
@aryssobral
Жыл бұрын
@@seth5778 Actually no, u see POE videos being sponsored? Nope, people play and make videos about it because they enjoy playing the game
@seth5778
Жыл бұрын
@@aryssobral Yes, every league launch
@nguyentri3608
Жыл бұрын
@@aryssobral poe sponsor big streamers to play the new content like every other league bro, are you new? 💀💀
@Axthenon
Жыл бұрын
The auction tabs make me remember when I opened up mapple story cash shop back in the days and that alone made me stop playing even tho it wasn't going to change my experience. It simply just give me a feeling of disgust strong enough to stop playing. Its just sad because I was hooked until that.
@shanegrayson7068
Жыл бұрын
"Maplestory" big reason I am not downloading and trying the game (even though I REALLY want to). When I hear "You can rent a pet for 3 months to auto-loot" gives me the biggest "NOPE" factor.
@seth5778
Жыл бұрын
@@shanegrayson7068 "You can rent a pet for 3 months to auto-loot" - That's not how it works. You keep your pets (and earn a lot of them free) and they autoloot a lot of basic stuff for free. The advanced autoloot is in the battlepass but you don't really need it. But then, I also played MapleStory without the paid autoloot.
@ArnoldMejia
Жыл бұрын
Can we get people to do different channels for Torchlight? I don't mind a couple of videos to let people know but it's annoying when notifications are set for POE content.
@EjDantes
Жыл бұрын
Ta
@Energycomet12
Жыл бұрын
Really glad you brought up how pacts make little to no difference in casual play, hope this becomes a more common opinion in the community
@YoyoTanya
Жыл бұрын
Always has been.
@arturasnesakysiu6025
Жыл бұрын
I want more torchlight content man i love your poe stuff so it would be awesome to have some good creators join this game, not much good content so far on this game
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
While I was playing I learnt a lot of stuff from watching this youtube channel www.youtube.com/@Milkybk_
@j.d.6915
Жыл бұрын
Game is fun, but really unbalanced. I tried an iceshot ranger (or whatever it is), managed to almost hit 12k dps by maps. Made a Thunderslash zerker and hit 40k by maps. Also, bosses seem to have waaay too many hps, like the devs want you to buy items w/real money to give more power to plow through the bosses. That said, under all the F2P gunk advertising and terrible UI, is a very good game. Major props for the deterministic crafting, and for free respecs until level 80. I'll repeat, free respecs till level 80.
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Some of the bosses require billions of dps to do comfortably I can say for sure that's all doable free to play though which is good.
@nebucadneza1914
Жыл бұрын
i dont like you talking about other games
@scottii
Жыл бұрын
Too cartoony. Sorry, just not my cup of tea.
@fefefefefefee5174
Жыл бұрын
Really good review but I felt that the economy is really bad as a new player didnt manage to buy gear in auction house. Theres no currency like chaos, and close to all itens in AC are sold for the red fuel and the srop rate is like a devine
@innerg_92
Жыл бұрын
drop rate is NOT like a divine, please go watch and learn from some tutorials about FE farms. its actually not nearly as difficult as PoE.
@fefefefefefee5174
Жыл бұрын
@@innerg_92 im at like t5 and didnt drop a single one yet, maybe bad rng
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
Farming Flame elementium is definitely something to learn in end game for sure, without traits getting a lot of it in it's raw state isn't easy but after you set up a farming strategy you can get 4-5 raw drops from some maps in my experience.
@fefefefefefee5174
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro I just expected that a game with an AH would be easier to buy upgrades or cheap uniques, like in poe. Its like torchlight is missing a chepaer usefull currency like chaos to make the cheaper deals
@l0gas495
Жыл бұрын
@@fefefefefefee5174 literally every item in the game has a value attached to it. I have dropped maybe 3 raw FE so far in t5 but have made like 30-40 FE through selling embers, compasses and other small currencies. Its similar to PoE where peoples entire stash is filled with items but they feel like they have no currency
@iguanaATTACK
Жыл бұрын
-_- pay for a new class? Even after the season is finish? I will not wast my time in this game sell me skin but not a class/ a way to have fun
@toadtube
Жыл бұрын
Torchlight > PoE :]
@mike-8381
Жыл бұрын
Honestly make some money dude.
@DamienBaka
Жыл бұрын
Not interested. Come back to PoE or I eat all your cookies. :)
@MrEmeraldBoy
Жыл бұрын
Basically any game is good if you get paid to play it and not the other way around, so your opinion doesn't count anyway 👍
@Grimro
Жыл бұрын
That's totally fair, I kept it completely real in the video and gave it 100% honesty but if enough people feel uncomfortable with content of this type even if it helps me personally I wont do it again.
@nguyentri3608
Жыл бұрын
Your ears might be broken since he said he was only paid to play 16 hours yet he played 150 hours in the first minute of the video, so your opinion doesn't count anywayS 👍
@troy3984
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro I don't think this guy even watched your video. You're good man
@johnmerritt5351
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro you're good man, that guy is just Madge Keep the content coming and get some nice deals along the way
@alguem..
Жыл бұрын
@@Grimro ignore this guy, your opinion matters to us and I dont see a problem with being paid to review a game as long as you are still able to criticize the game and to be honest
@bombrman1994
Жыл бұрын
Hi Grimro, Can we connect on LinkedIn, I am into game dev and would like to expand my network
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