As I’ve always said, it’s a weapon with a high skill floor that doesn’t make for it with damage or consistency.
@BigBossMan538
Жыл бұрын
I’m probably just not used to it, but Twist Up really is weird to use. Tried it on Howling Aces, Mortimer, and Saltbaker and quickly switched back to Crackshot and Roundabout 🙃 Don’t even need TU for Cagney when Roundabout shredded him like a weed. But I like what I see with using TU against Werner, Sally, and The Devil! Especially the EX which looks so cool
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Twist Up CAN be used for a good amount of bosses, but in reality Spread is just better for many bosses that Twist Up "works" on. Twist Up is also just awkward to use and feels bad to use a lot of the time.
@doc3590
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Twist-Up can be useful for the maiority of the non-airplane bosses, but I need to admit that bosses like Grim Matchstick or Baroness Von Bon Bon, Twist-Up is just a pain to use. In conclusion, it can be not one best weapons in the, but defenitly not the garbage tier that a lot of people put on it.
@bitgaming-ye5ww
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@flourrrr
5 ай бұрын
the takeaway: it's situational
@ExcaliburSonictheKing
Жыл бұрын
Well at least we took a better look at the weapon to realize what things we underestimated it for.
@thatguyyoumightfindatthest9807
11 ай бұрын
While I can see the utility in this weapon, and the concept is super cool, the only time I have ever even touched this weapon was when I had the Divine Relic and was looking for Roundabout. I don't use Twist Up just because it has too high a skill floor and, to that extent, I'm not willing to hold the lock button in order to just aim up or sideways
@Innerpaladin317
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion twist up is just a harder to use version of roundabout and spread, most of the time you have to use the lock button to stop and aim your shots which is one of the only ways to acutely use this weapon. thinking about contact damage and your limited HP (unless you either have heart ring or the divine relic) its just better to stick with the other choice of weapons in the game.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
That's basically my opinion simplified. Honestly, Twist Up isn't even a bad weapon, it just gets outshined by other weapons and also suffers the same accuracy problem that Converge suffers with, which is exactly why I think both should be in B tier. Makes sense to me
@kurbs4751
Жыл бұрын
@@MrKap So apperantly, now Chaser is the only C tier weapon in game. But about Twist-Up, even if I like this weapon, a B tier is still good for me.
@Innerpaladin317
Жыл бұрын
@@MrKap fair point
@BigBossMan538
Жыл бұрын
And yeah… The only weapons I like for Saltbaker are Crackshot and Charge. Crackshot helps me with focusing on survival and clearing out the animal crackers, and Charge takes care of the pepper shakers and the salt dancers pretty well. Saltbaker is a jerk
@PrivateDaisy
Жыл бұрын
Do you use Charge shot or crackshoot on last phase?
@BigBossMan538
Жыл бұрын
@@PrivateDaisy Crackshot. It helps me focus on platforming and parrying the heart. What do you use? For more context, I used Chalice with super 2 (It's amazing for surviving the fight) and I've yet to do expert runs on all the bosses. What's your loadout?
@PrivateDaisy
Жыл бұрын
@@BigBossMan538 I tried Crackshoot on my first tries, but half of the shots didin't hit the heart. It was a gigantic drawback, since the phase went on forever, so I tried Chaser instead. It carried second, third and fourth phase, with Cuphead and second super art, with Twist up on first phase. I even did expert on S rank with this, it really works better than it may sound, you just spam all your EX and Super art on second phase and you're good. For the clarification, I used second super instead of the first, because there is no place in this fight, where a huge chunk of damage would be worth it (minions in the second phase have to little health and you can hit only one of them and if you use it on fourth phase, you will probably get hit right after)
@BigBossMan538
Жыл бұрын
@@PrivateDaisy Yeah I find Cuphead's supers (other than two) to not work well for Saltbaker. All of Chalice's supers can work though. 1 is good for phases 1 and 4, and super 3 is good for 4 I would imagine if you can trap the heart in the right place. Don't use super in phase 3, it's not long at all. It dies in 3 fully charged shots. I saw that Chaser is actually good for phase 4 so maybe I'll try it
@Innerpaladin317
Жыл бұрын
to be honest fair point
@orange33340
Жыл бұрын
I cant see why people say Twist Up is S tier
@Innerpaladin317
Жыл бұрын
orange
@10kwithzerobitches20
Жыл бұрын
orange
@camd7529
Жыл бұрын
Orange
@kirbo2733
11 ай бұрын
orange
@Ihaveindegestionffs
5 ай бұрын
Orange
@arc55249
3 ай бұрын
it can WORK on some bosses, but it's never really used due to other weapons being way more useful, making it basically useless. it's quite literally just a weapon that aims up for you... but if people wanted to aim up without aiming, they'd usually just use crackshot or chaser twist up can be more useful than those in some cases though, since crackshot and chaser sometimes attack minions/projectiles instead of the actual enemy, which can be annoying.
@cordyceps7531
Жыл бұрын
Ngl, I gained a little respect for twist up when I realized that you can totally use it to cheese King Dice by hiding behind his hands to avoid the cards and then firing to do damage to his head. Something crackshot and chaser can’t even do. Twist Up is not a great weapon but it has surprised me a few times.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
The thing is that it's so completely unnecessary and I honestly dislike doing that. I tested that out on stream last night and I was surprised it worked because I thought it was patched, but then you have to guess which side the hands gonna be on (from my knowledge, it does not interchange side to side, so he doesn't put his hand to the right guaranteed if he put his hand to the left before), so its not a very dependable trick and is in my opinion really unnecessary. It is something that's unique to the weapon, but ehh just... No XD.
@cordyceps7531
Жыл бұрын
it’s really easy, you have to bait out his hand by staying on one side and then run/dash as fast as possible to the other side. It’s not the most viable strategy, but it helped when I used to suck at parrying the cards
@SpillingAcqua
4 күн бұрын
The main issue I always find when using twist up is that its impossible to hit bosses that arent close to you on the ground. I find it more of a achillis heel because it does in fact make the weapon atrocious to use, more than it already does. It also is just never the pick for bosses, roundabout as well as spread are a ton easier and more effective to use for almost every example (except for sally stageplay but only her last phase.) So in my opinion, twist up is mediocre at best with terrible downsides that make it really hard to pick out of things like roundabout, spread, and crackshot.
@guinguaggiomishima6821
Жыл бұрын
Which programme did you use to rank all the bosses of cuphead in the previous video?
@xodiacz1223
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Twist Up isn't as bad as people say it is. It CAN be effective, but isn't all the time. It's B tier for me, and I personally find peashooter worse. It's still not as good as spread or converge
@letsgoblues21
5 ай бұрын
Every weapon is situational. That said, you can pretty easily roll through the game with only roundabout and crack shot.
@boyfriend1161
17 күн бұрын
I would probably recommend *clears throat* AIMING DOWN WHILST LOOKING AT GRIM MATCHSTICK. Sorry for yelling it is just so unsatisfying to see you not aiming with twist up during the dragon. But MY opinion on twist up. I have never tried twist up because I dont have the dlc but. Straight up I would say that twist up is for who can use it. It isnt for everyone. Twist up requires a ton of aiming. I dont like aiming that much but I'm recently aiming a lot unconsciously since i learned how to efficiently aim. So please next time you fight the dragon. A I M Y O U R T W I S T U P ! ! !
@obiwaldog517
9 ай бұрын
It does shine in some phases
@theheller6573
8 ай бұрын
I say the Twist Up is decent. Not too bad, not too good, just decent.
@kuczxs
Жыл бұрын
dope vid!!
@demetdemirkolbeyenal6636
Жыл бұрын
i use twist up like a better chaser when im dodging the bear attack on glumstone for extra damage since you use crack shot for the whole fight
@britishperson1
Жыл бұрын
i love (not) harder versions of already existing weapons
@Mr.BummyDiddles
Жыл бұрын
Equip twist-up + spread = highest DPS weapon (41.3333) with EX that does 40 in 5 tics (instead of an EX that does 34.4) I could say stuff like "oh you're just not aiming it right!!!" but that is clearly addressed and considered a hassle, with the moments where it is easy to aim not being considered significant enough, which is fair enough. Basically, aiming directly upwards can be its most effective angle. For example, it's what you should do for glumstone's second phase. The bullets go across the whole map this way at its intended upwards angle. And I know, first thing I said only involves the EX (in which case I am not talking about the weapon in general anymore), but truthfully, that is the only objective good you're gonna get, and it's actually pretty objective. Targets are rarely too thin to get the best of its damage, and at least 4 tics gives you 32 damage, which is more than lobber EX's damage, 28. It's much more consistent than spread's EX, for as most of the time spread's EX requires damage boosting to get inside a boss. What I really find disappointing here is converge. 32.04 DPS for all 3 shots seems too low for what you get...(which can may also be said as a problem for twist-up, but not as much) and it doesn't have a heavy-hitting EX either, only doing 21 damage. The EX is spontaneous and pierces, but I still feel like the damage is too low. You can do double damage with it for some bosses, but that's naturally niche, and the un-casual charm whetstone causes its angle to reset every time you use it, which I hate, by the way. And yeah, I'm not following the cuphead wikia's DPS stats. Those are inaccurate. The chart I'm looking at uses a calculation method done by SBDWolf, who is a top-tier speedrunner, so it's pretty trustworthy. I couldn't post the link to it without youtube removing my comment, though. You could really use it, considering you've been following what that wiki says this entire time.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
I couldn't find an up-to-date chart that you're referencing after looking for a long time, but I saw a legacy version of said chard and the stats are almost exactly the same. Of course this legacy chart didn't include the DLC weapons because, well, it's a legacy chart, but the other weapons stats were the same and if anything showed that Charge did MORE damage than was said on the Cuphead Wiki..? If you can somehow send a link to your chart, I'd appreciate it!
@Mr.BummyDiddles
Жыл бұрын
@@MrKap docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YFLogF3sTDHZzstCwEpwnlMJG1Hxie-v5SLcwtLuTMc Not made by me, made by @twotonepony9619 Charge was nerfed in 1.1. From 52 damage to 46.
@Mr.BummyDiddles
Жыл бұрын
@@MrKap I posted the link but the reply doesn't seem to have gone through. Maybe the comment is held for review and you can approve it?
@darsshanm5335
Жыл бұрын
I like how you went through every boss but I would have liked you to consider the BEST loadout you can take for a boss instead of just comparing it to spread. Just because you "can" make twist up work for a boss dosent make it good or even useful. A weapon is really only good if it is better than every other weapon for a certain boss. From my experience, twist up is worse than the best choices for literally every boss. I think that the devs should seriously consider buffing its damage to make up for the movement awkwardness (You have to keep locking to aim your shots causing you to stand still) and skill it takes.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
I mean, that's basically what I said in the video or at least in my Weapon Tier List, except I didn't want to go through every single boss fight and mention their loadouts for time reasons. I would somewhat disagree however that you have to bring the BEST weapon like DPS wise. Weapons like Chaser, Crackshot, and Converge really have their places to be used for a lot of boss fights, like Chef Saltbaker, Phantom Express, Ribby and Croaks, etc. What I'm saying is that just because it's not going to deal the most damage or have an effect immediately on the timing of the boss doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't be used for the boss fight. While some bosses are pretty specific with their loadouts, like Grim with Lobber, doesn't mean all bosses are like that and that other weapons don't shine. Again, I'm pretty sure I mentioned exactly what you said with "Just because you can use Twist Up doesn't mean it's good for the boss" word for word in my Weapon Tier List video. Definitely check out my Weapon tier list and check out the Twist Up section for what I mean at least.
@Th3Prof3ssionalOr3oSt3aler
3 ай бұрын
I think T.U is good but not S tier or terrible either, im kinda in the middle
@andryusgustavo9148
Жыл бұрын
No What? I cant use It. Charge is better
@lydenfps
Жыл бұрын
the 🐐
@lorenzo77dascenzo70
Ай бұрын
Twist up is mid tier good but hum
@beakedhydra2195
Жыл бұрын
You can’t expect every weapon to be good on every boss. That’s not the point.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
That's not exactly what I meant in the video. There are weapons that prove to be useful on a lot more bosses than other weapons, so to look at all the weapons and determine how many bosses you would even bring that weapon is crucial to determing how good a weapon is. If Lobber for example hypothetically was ONLY good on Grim Matchstick and for every other boss was really bad, I would not say that Lobber is a good or great weapon at all. Just because there is a boss or certain scenario that the weapon shines in DOES NOT mean that weapon is good. So, we come around back to seeing how many bosses is Twist Up actually useful and good on, and after taking everything into account, including how other weapons are for the same boss fight as Twist Up, it just falls a bit short. Hopefully that makes sense and I appreciate the comment!
@beakedhydra2195
Жыл бұрын
@@MrKapInteresting. That makes a lot more sense to me now. I think lobber was also good on rumor honeybottoms but😅
@idontevenknow9576
Жыл бұрын
Twist-up is the best weapon for Rumor Honeybottoms, if you time it right and use all your ex moves, you can straight up skip phase 3, and you can just go to the left and aim southeast to hit phase 1. It can also do Beppi’s third phase in just one cycle if you do it properly. It’s not great, but the high damage output makes it good for bosses where you can make use of it. The damage stuff I said earlier was on Expert, and doing the same thing with Spread and a super was not enough to skip Rumor’s last phase. Another thing about Rumor is that you can actually hit her while she’s off screen in phase 2 with twist-up, which I think is unique to the weapon. I personally feel like you didn’t really talk about the high damage potential of the EX move, and how it can be used on certain bosses to do tons of damage, especially for bosses where you can’t hit all 8 projectiles of the Spread EX. I think I personally see the positives with Twist-Up, since I did Magicat’s worst shot challenge for the first three isles, and had to learn how to use it for Ribby and Croaks, Cagney, Baroness, and Rumor. I also think that you underrated it’s effectiveness on Brineybeard, it’s really good for him, especially in the last phase. It’s so good on the fight that even on Geo Mod, it’s still great, even when it’s a lot harder.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
See, the problem is the EX damage is not consistent and is not something you can GUARANTEE most of the time. Yes, it's good, but an EX very much does not make up for the weapon itself. I'm not familiar with the Rumor Honeybottoms being able to be hit off screen during phase 2. Also, it's still awkward like it is for pretty much all bosses to aim Twist Up because you have to be in certain positions to get the maximum value, and that's assuming you're hitting every single shot (which is rare to do honestly, especially for Rumor). I would have to disagree about it being an "effective" weapon for Brineybeard. The ONLY reason it works is because you can "cheese" the last phase, using Smoke Bomb right when the boat is about to shoot a fireball. Twist Up still suffers the same problems of being awkward to use unless you're stuffing the weapon in Brineybeard's face, but then what was the point of bringing it other than the last phase? The last phase is already RIDICULOUSLY EASY with the other techs and tips I've mentioned across many videos and livestreams. Overall, it can work for bosses if you make it, but then the question still stands: Why not use another weapon better for the job? And that question is asked for the MAJORITY of the bosses: Isle I - Root Pack | just use Spread..? Goopy | use whatever it's an easy boss, but I think Spread is just better Ribby and Croaks | If you genuinely use Twist Up for this boss, idk what you're doing honestly... Cagney | not bad and can actually be used alright Isle II - Beppi | it works, but the boss fight is practically BEGGING you to use Spread. Spamming EX's with Twist Up can work to bypass the 3rd phase faster, but it's still inconsistent in my opinion and is not necessary in the slightest. It's already easy as is and Spread works just fine Baroness | ... just don't... please... Grim | ...no... Isle III - Rumor | it can work but takes a lot of skill and precise positioning to get use out of. I can't speak for this "skipping last phase" part but Spread works just as well here in my opinion. Werner Werman | not a bad weapon. On equal level to Spread in my opinion (mainly because of the Twist Up EX value) Brineybeard | not good unless you're trying to cheese the last phase with Smoke Bomb Sally | works decently well, on par with Spread Phantom | Not a bad pick, but still takes skill to aim properly Inkwell Hell - King Dice | works for the majority of bosses The Devil | Can work, but literally Spread is way more worth while here. Almost no reason to NOT bring Spread Isle IV - Glumstone | Extremely awkward to aim during 1st phase, but after it's good Mortimer | To put simply, it works, but I find myself wanting to just use another weapon since the other weapons can do just as well and give me more value throughout the boss fight. This one is really up to personal preference in my opinion. No wrong answers for me Howling Aces | I actually found Twist Up to be extremely tedious and annoying to use except for the last phase. Can barely hit anything for the second phase and the 1st phase is tedious to aim properly, and most of the time you're missing your shots! Moonshine Mob | It works good for the last phase, but the other phases it's awkward to use Chef Saltbaker | Works for half the boss fight, the rest I hate using it. So there are my brief opinions on Twist Up for all the bosses. In the end and in my opinion. Spread outshines it for the majority of bosses and really doesn't prove itself worthy of being an A tier weapon. I think the B tier compensation is definitely fair and accurately represents the weapon and it's pros and cons.
@idontevenknow9576
Жыл бұрын
@@MrKap It’s actually possible to stay close to the ship in Brineybeard without smoke bomb, you can jump when the fireball is being shot, I learned this from lobber only challenge. Smoke bomb is easier but it’s possible. I would say that Twist-up is an A tier weapon, to me it’s Spread, except you trade off the very high DPS of Spread for more range, the ability to hit stuff above you more effectively, and a more versatile EX. Yes, it does need skill to use, but as someone who has done a lot of the bosses using it, it’s not as difficult to hit the shots as many people say it is. This might just be personal bias, since I have learned how to use it, but to me it’s not as difficult to use as people say it is.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
@@idontevenknow9576 Huh, I'm not familiar with the last phase Brineybeard tech, so if that's true then cool; but then if that's true then why bring Twist Up for just the last phase? I would disagree that it has a "higher range" than Spread. They generally go the same distance horizontally and the curve is really what gives off the "higher range". Like yeah I think it goes slightly farther, but then it curves up like halfway through so its range is deceiving in my opinion. I think Twist Up's EX is good, but a bit overrated. It suffers similar problems like Spread's EX, but Twist Up EX works slightly more consistently. The thing I believe is that an EX does not change the rank much. The weapon NEEDS to work well by itself before it can be A tier; and the problem I have with Twist Up as a weapon is that it's quite inconsistent to hit. This means that you're really not ever dealing the average DPS of the weapon (EXCEPT FOR A FEW BOSSES). This is why Spread is just better and has that extremely high DPS to make up for not hitting every shot AND it's less consistent EX damage. This is why I think Spread is A tier, because the weapon itself is amazing, BUT its EX is inconsistent and doesn't work well when it comes to dealing pure damage to a fair amount of bosses. So overall, Twist Up is not bad, but it's still awkward to aim which directly causes the weapon to deal less DPS and way too inconsistent DPS. Its EX is its only saving grace, but even that suffers from inconsistency problems like Spread; the difference is that Spread by itself makes up for the inconsistent EX while Twist Up does not in my opinion. For that reason I think Twist Up can't really join A tier. Twist Up is not as bad as I thought, but with everything I said, I don't see the edge Twist Up gets to be A tier. Maybe I'm still missing something tbh...
@MichaelJacksonRobloxGaming
Жыл бұрын
Twist up is very complicated
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
tru
@mysterypepper
Жыл бұрын
Twist Up is really awful because: 1. You have to hit literally every projectile every time for it to be as good as roundabout 2. You have to angle yourself in really tough positions, likely jeopardising an attempt 3. You will find that every other weapon in the game is better at dealing with most of these bosses, so there is no reason to use twist up if there are better weapons 4. It's trash 5. I don't like it
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
Explained it beautifully 😁👍
@PrivateDaisy
Жыл бұрын
Some weapons are meant to be situational
@tonyx1282
Жыл бұрын
Simple answer, no
@dontroastmeyoucantroasttrash
Жыл бұрын
Second
@NicoThePro5665
Жыл бұрын
3RD
@DragonKing920
Жыл бұрын
First
@orange33340
Жыл бұрын
second
@anthonymarziano9984
Жыл бұрын
I belive that twist up is worst design wise, and is horrible for some bosses.
@MrKap
Жыл бұрын
Ehhhhh I can slightly agree with you although the way you put it is a bit too blunt and exaggerated for me lol.
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